The Chosen | Ep. 61
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- In the fourth episode of Season 3 of the G3 Podcast, Josh Buice, Virgil Walker, and Scott Aniol discuss the television series The Chosen and its connection to Mormonism, the 2nd Commandment, and the way truth is communicated through art and media.
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The scriptures is sufficient for the truth.
I am very grateful to God for this
Thank you for extrapolating and underlining the pertinent issues at hand, biblically and culturally.
I will share this
Without the Holy Spirit we will make an idol out of anything 😢😢😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I recently watched this podcast and I want to say that I really appreciate this podcast. In a Sunday School class I was visiting a couple of weeks ago there was a time when the teacher was discussing about Mary Magdalene and people were discussing whether or not she was one of the people that followed Jesus around all of the time. The problem I had from the start of this discussion was that first off that is very trivial and not important but also that we can not be certain of this because the Bible never tells us if she was. We know that many people were following Jesus. Not just the twelve but many people, those that were true disciples, those that were superficial followers and even the religious leaders were often following Jesus(even if it was for the wrong reason). The thing that surprised me in this conversation in this SS class was that the teacher spoke up and said and I quote: I think she did follow Jesus around and I think we see that by the fact that the Chosen shows us that, end quote...... I tell you I nearly hit the floor. I'm serious I was in disbelief that this teacher in a Sunday School class just referenced the Chosen as a sure way of knowing of something that is not clear from the Bible and sure is not important. We have got to get people to understand that we do not need anything other than the Bible for spiritual growth and to know who God is. Instead of spending our time watching junk like the Chosen or any of these other movies that are coming out, why don't we open our Bibles and actually learn what God has and is saying.
Incredibly disheartening indeed. We need to pray for people to have discernment and they need to study their bible.
Yes for sure. I am doing what I can in my local church to teach people how to study the Bible. I also do this on my website and podcast as well. It saddens me to see so many people in church not know the Bible much more than a fifth grade student would.@@laurenlimebrook9828
I sa the first issue and rejected everything in it. Isaw it online, not tv. I choose to get rid of the television some time ago.
What is meant by “the robustness of the pulpit”? I enjoy the fact that 3 of you have evident comradely/brotherhood!
The thing that is heart-sickening is that we live in a time in which we have to try to explain why these things are heretical. We live in a totally Bible-illiterate society.
And its sickening too to make the claim that visual representation is idolatrous get rid of all technological items if that is the case.
We are living in a time where the nerd community are more devoted to the established lore of the fictional works of Tolkien, see their abandonment of Amazon's Rings of Power for reference, then Christians are to recorded testimonies of the Gospels, which is a real historic event and Christians claim they believe it.
Not surprising. We’ve been spoiled with a relatively safe society for our faith. We’re slowly returning to normal (ie being surrounded by pagans) as Jesus told us we should expect. We lived in special times. Time to wake up and get to work.
Not illiterate biblically, we just know it's not true. Which god are you talking again - the one that saves babies when the TV cameras are around but doesn't do a GODDAMNED thing about thousands of children starving to death every fucking day. That's some gawd you got there
@@johnrichardson7280 And how about you??? Massive genocide and you fucking sit around doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just fucking saying things to please people but never listen! Look what you done through human history!!!
You better get the fuck out of this planet or we will assimilate you and make you all slaves!
Fucking idot human John. 😡😡😡😡😡😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😡😡😡
Amen! Thank you so much for this. Satan always puts an idol out there to trip us. Wake up church, refuse to be spoon-fed by the world. Get to the truth in God's Word only!
Watching season 1 & 2 got me to start reading my Bible more, then realize something wrong with this show with all the gimmicks. Quit watching & love reading my Bible. Thank you for educating us on the word of God. Still learning so much!
So what was wrong with what you watched? Gimmicks? Really? Define that.
Interesting that most people I have heard of that watched this have said it actually drew them to read their Bibles more.
I, too, fell for this. I can't watch. And it's all more tricks of satan lies.
Josh, Virgil, and Scott great discernment a much needed gift in this time of deception seemingly everywhere. Well done brothers, love from deep in the Mt of western North Carolina/eastern TN.
Thank you so much for doing this!!!! This is MUCH NEEDED!!!! I hear even strong Christians say, I LOVE The Chosen!!! I just cringe!!!!
Love this. We should give absolutely zero room for things like this in modern times. No movement at all! Stand Firm!
Then stop watching this video is not historical.
Amen!
Correct
Thank you G3. This was long overdue.
Christians should really study the Word of God as not to be deceived. Soli Deo Gloria🙏🙏🙏
Excellent! Thank you, brothers, for this important topic.
I really appreciate you making clear the true Jesus and how the chosen does not represent Him. I only wish I was able to find a church I could be a part of that would be true to the Scriptures.
Start a home church.
G3 has a "find a church" link in their website. 9 Marks does, too.
Extremely difficult to find but it is possible. Under no circumstances must you give up the search. I went through this myself.
...I am a Reformed Baptist...and was led to try and OPC church... because some of these churches have flashing lights...and bands and it's more like a bar with the music, mood, coffee shops etc. The OPC uses a hymnal...singing mostly Psalms and in the back of the Hymn book are all the Creeds and Confessions. It's incredible... everything is Biblical. Check it out ...God Bless. 📖✝️🌷
We found a Reformed Church 46 miles away and have been there 5 years now. They teach the Word without any isegesis and give bible study every Lord's Day for adults and all children/age groups too. It is so wonderful. But there are some problems too, but we work things out through the church gov't.
Thankful for this faithful generation of men! With God’s grace, let’s fully rid the house of God of all wicked practices AND high places. Let’s not stop halfway!
And if you think The Chosen is full of wickedness, you're full of it. Bet you haven't watched one full episode.
@@NitroHead11 the most wicked things that do the most damage to the fold of God are often hidden from the undiscerning eye.
Genesis 3:1-1 (ESV) Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”
@@jakefoster8935 [If the way the Chosen misrepresents the Son of God . . . ]
Prove that TC is misrepresenting the Son of God. Do you know this from personal observation the show, or are you blindly parroting the opinions of others, who may or may not have actually watched any whole episode of TC? Read my rebuttal in this thread.
[. . . and the liberties they take to add to the Word of God doesn’t make you righteously angry . . .]
The Chosen is a TV show, not a re-write of the Bible, not a new religion, sect, or cult, such as this G3 group is. To be an effective TV show it needs to have a fluid and relevant script.
Let me ask you this regarding 'add to the Word of God'. When your pastor or Bible teacher quotes a section of the Bible and then spends the next 45 minutes expounding on said section, is he not adding to Scripture? Do you really expect him to read the Bible out loud, and then go sit down and see if it sinks in? No, his sermon, or teaching outline filled in with quotes, references, textual context is most certainly additions to the Word of God. Why should TC be treated any different? It is the same thing, just done in an artistic style. Get a clue man!
[. . . for the sake of your husband, I have doubts about you.]
Huh? I am the husband. Unless you are referring to me as the Bride of Christ, which we all are, those of us who have been truly redeemed. In this case, TC glorifies my 'husband'. You have doubts about me? What you should really doubt is the intellectual veracity and integrity of these G3 commentators, though well meaning, have thrown the baby out with the bath water using arguments that are senseless. And I'm not going to bother with your Gen 3 quote as it lacks relevancy to this dialogue.
@@NitroHead11 I don’t know you, so I shouldn’t have expressed having doubts about you. Nevertheless, my point stands about the Chosen and the offenses I’ve seen with the show.
@@jakefoster8935 your loss.
I am grateful for the show that has caused me to open my Bible, the show was a “means” “tool” “instrument” used to get me reading the word and while in the word I was made alive, convicted, eyes opened, brought to saving faith. Fast forward a few years later I am reformed in my theology and have grown in my walk with Christ, saved my grace alone through faith alone for the Glory to God alone
Don't mistake the means with the end, brother. God also uses drug overdoses as a "tool" or "instrument" to draw people to Himself and His Word. It's role in your conversion in no way reflects on the value or validity of the show itself.
Interesting this is what I hear most people say is that it brought them to more Bible reading
@@beaberean3286 Well, that was the objective of Chosen according to its director, Dallas. It is NOT A REPLACEMENT of Scripture but it was made SO THAT PEOPLE WILL READ the Gospel for themselves.
@@animaticToshiue and they have been very successful....not why people don't see this as a good thing
Amen. Brothers! Appreciate this!
This was like getting two programs in one! The first portion about the Chosen, and then the second portion, for me was even more beneficial when it comes to images and such. God has been bringing more and more of this to light in my heart. Thank you!
Amen! Soli Deo Gloria! Scripture is sufficient! The Chosen is 100% pushing a different/false Jesus.
Thank you so much for your excellent podcast about the film " The Chosen"!
Yes the chosen has issue but G3 has issues too be saying all visual representation in children book and other ways to communication is idolatrous.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 when did one of these men say that children's books are idolatrous?
@@HearGodsWord are you blind to their hypocrisy? NO IMAGES OF JESUS anywhere for any reason, including actors. I am grateful for the necessity of the Reformation whose goals included mitigating or even eliminating images of deity, images in stone, paintings, icons, pendants, etc. But modern Reformed tradition takes it too far when they forget Jesus was a physical human being Who lived on the Earth. There is archeological evidence of images of Jesus well before the advent of the supremacy of the Church of Rome. In our modern history, there have been 52 actors playing the role of Jesus. Were they ALL wrong?
@@NitroHead11 there wasn't hypocrisy
Glad y'all covered this, I was enjoying "The Chosen" with my Hollywood glasses on, but thank you for shining the WORD on this.🙌🏾
SO EXCELLENT!! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for the HONEST discussion!!!! Deception is sooooo sly like a fox, smooth as a serpent, and deadly as a wolf!! Satan always mixes just enough truth to make the lie palatable!!🖤
There is nothing 'honest' in their discussion. I am currently writing a rebuttal to their criticism of the show, and it's mostly based on their personal opinions of the show and not hard facts. Read my rebuttal here in this message thread.
Thank you so much for addressing the matter of the 2nd Commandment violation! So many people have no idea that having an image of Christ in their home or church is a violation of God's Commandments. You nailed this beautifully guys! 👍
Is the issue of the second Commandment not the "bowing down" to the images?
@@PHILHAMILT0N Bowing down does not just mean an action of bowing down in worship but giving your loyalty and attention and belief in something that is "used" rather than being transformed by God's word alone. People love anything visual to replace the reading of God's word and it also stirs the imagination which is frowned upon in the bible.
@@laurenlimebrook9828 Yes, although does watching a tv show = giving loyalty and attention and belief?
Anyone's summary (even when preaching) of anything described in the Bible (without specifically using the Words of the Bible), is that breaking 2nd Commandment?
@@PHILHAMILT0N I believe we were addressing the "images" which signify God or worship to Him or a saint ....having to do with faith etc. Not a secular image.... which could also take your attention in a worshipful way, of course, but a god of your own making.
@@laurenlimebrook9828 So, if anything, it would be closer to breaking the 1st Commandment, rather than the 2nd
It’s almost as if Jenkins is heading towards a one world religion-one big tent. SO many 🚩🚩in this series. I’m so thankful this is being addressed. It has been surprising to me that churches haven’t addressed it, at least none in my area. In my opinion, this is rapidly becoming an idol within the Christian community. Lots of defensive pushback when one tries to warn, shed light, etc. Another tool Satan is using within the church to cause division and confusion. We must stand strong! Cling to the Word of God. Great points within the podcast. There’s so much to this, so many layers, but you hit the crucial topics. Thank you.
Well, they, including the actor who portrayed Jesus & maybe more, met with Pope Francis!👎🏼
@@maryowen1722 Then abandon this video an audio and all technological advancement of society its all worldy too.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 No, I have discernment of spirits and I don’t treat it lightly. Thank you for your concern, tho. I am very picky and limiting when it comes to technology! God Bless✝️💟
The Bible is sufficient.
This series just confuses people regarding who Jesus is and conflates the Gospel message. Dangerous.
Did you know the man who played Jesus on The Jesus Movie put out by Campus Crusade was NOT a Christian. So I guess that no one should have watched this movie.🙄
Thanks, guys, I love that you tackled this subject. This has similar issues that we delt with when The Shack was released, just complete ignorance from some church pastors and leaders.
I guess allegorical art isn't allowed in your life. Pitiful and shallow.
@@NitroHead11 😂
What blew my mind was while watching this I got an Ad from TH-cam for Mormon Missionaries….
The Mormons use The Chosen to make it appear that they are"Christians", their new advertising "push".
Thank you!!
Thank you for this discussion! I couldn't watch the Chosen. Who are we to make an image of Jesus, and then put words in his mouth that aren't in scripture. As if His word is not enough. I am very alone in my conviction of this within my church, so really appreciate you!
Christian, if you think God's word on it's own is boring, you just may be on the broad road.
One other thing is the connection to Roman Catholicism. Jonathan Roumie is Catholic and he has been integral in linking the The Chosen with a Catholic app so Chosen fans can pray the rosary on a daily basis. Of course, Dallas Jenkins went to visit the Pope a couple years ago. It seems to me that Mormonism is only one issue, but the overall trajectory for Jenkins in knocking down walls between Christianity, Mormonism, and Catholicism.
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Dallas Jenkins outright admitted 2 years ago on Melissa Dougherty's episode that he wanted to make a jesus that everyone can agree on. This in spite of his claim in that same interview that his goal is to depict an authentic Jesus Christ.
Folks tend to shy away from saying this, but I have no problems doing it for them. Dallas Jenkins talks out both sides of his mouth because he is a liar and only in mainstream Christianity has he been allowed to do so. And other Christians who help him, including a certain "Relatable" Christian commentor recently, are just as bad as he is.
Exactly!
Oh no! I might have been deceived! The man who played Jesus on The Jesus movie put out by campus crusade was NOT a Christian.
Very important point in today's world of deception!
This is so good and timely as some of us are dealing with an analysis of “The Chosen” by someone we respect and love but breaking the 2nd commandment is never dealt with. You all nail it Biblically. Thank you..
Please read my rebuttal of the G3 video in this message thread. The panelists are full of conceit and deceit.
Thank you so much for this podcast. I watched the very first episode of the chosen and the Holy Spirit impressed on me almost immediately there was something wrong. I found out later what it was but I can’t get other believers to discern the problems with it. It breaks my heart to know that so few Christians are biblically literate. What a sad state for the church.
Thank you, great video. Btw, I’ve been following my Bible in a year reading program for many years successfully. 😉😁 Peace🙏
Thanks so much!
Amen,
Good clarity on sufficiency.
After watching several of these well touted shows of the "Chosen", I believed they were written to give license, susceptibility and entertainment to churchianity.
Thank you for this!
I found this really hard as a visual learner and also someone who taught Sunday School.
Thank you for clarifying how Dallas is wrong about us (Christians and Mormons) worshipping the same Jesus.
Thank you gentlemen for the great analysis of this series!
Thank you so much for sounding the alarm.
Somehow over 2 and half years later I'm just now seeing the Dallas Jenkins interview clip.
Did you also see his clarification about what he said?
As we guard about sins of idolatry, we must also guard against sin of gossiping and bearing false witness. We must also pay the cost of making right judgment - spending time to really hear and look at the primary sources, and look at the context, as what we have known to how we should properly understand Scriptures, and even each other.
@@animaticToshiue Which person are you saying made a clarification?
Was it Dallas Jenkins? or Josh Buice? or Virgil Walker? or Scott Aniol?
The sad thing is the people that watch this substitute this for reading the Bible.
A.W. Tozer had an interesting essay called "The Menace of the Religious Movie", worth a read.
Thank you Mary, it puts the whole matter in the correct perspective!
1) you're late to game, boys... but better late than never, so bless you guys.
2) you guys neglected SPECIFIC EXAMPLES from the series that show how dangerous Jenkins' trash ahow really is. for example, his depiction of the paralytic in Mark 2... specifically verses 3 and 5... Jenkins includes a woman helping to bring paralytic down thru the roof... and her "beautiful faith" ... but the gospel says it was MEN who brought him down, and it was the MEN'S faith that was the catalyst for Jesus' healing (verse 5)
To be fair, there are a mirad of examples of the show inventing its own lore of the Gospels and the Christ event. The show would have taken far and above two hours to address every one of them now that there are 3 blasted seasons with another 4+ more on the way.
Fortunately, there are others who documented those issues. One such channel, The [Counterfeit] Chosen, covers each of the episodes. The lady who is working on the project is currently analysing Season 3 and you can find the link to the channel here:
youtube.com/@thecounterfeitchosen2238
@@pettifoggingpharisee I’m subbed to that channel thanks to Doreen Virtue’s channel suggestion. It’s been very helpful with full documented video proof of the danger.
@@pettifoggingphariseeBetter yet, watch the TH-cam channel Grafted which also analyzes all the episodes. These guys are way more legit than the Counterfeit Chosen people.
Amen! Absolute truth. Glory to our Lord.
You guys are overthinking this
Such as?
I was late to the Chosen game and was immediately “in love” with the show.
The scene where j”esus reaches out to mary…and peter with the fish…and nicodemus in the night…and autistic matthew being chosen…
😭😭😭😭😭😭
I immediately began to tell others..”You GOTTA WATCH!!”.
But then…😕
The constant interviews with the actors and the pedestals that quickly erected left a bad taste in my mouth…and a conviction on my heart.
I finished season 2 feeling somewhat offended at the collaboration and brainstorming portrayed for the sermon on the Mount.
Yikes!! I didn’t like it and was less than impressed by the “portrayal” which CLEARLY LESSONED the deity of Our Lord.
Lastly…Dallas. 😐
Perhaps I missed it but I have yet to hear him durning his round table discussion deliver The Gospel.
IMO…the show should have never…if ever…started production without a Saved cast and crew…or at least a saved cast who evangelized non believers on the crew.
THE GOSPEL
THE GOSPEL
THE GOSPEL
is what the world needs.
Not a soap opera.
~Tammy
Saved by Grace ,currently residing in NC USA ….yearning to worship at His feet in my Heavenly Home.
love your honesty. a lot of people are offended by these kinds of interviews. Glad you were convicted.
@@david8252 Agree with G3 on Chosen but sickening too to make the claim that visual representation is idolatrous, get rid of all technological items if that is the case.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Well no visual representation has been explained by church Fathers, as well as clear in the word of God. It is an issue when we people are going around claiming that now they visualize that person, when they pray to Christ. aka Bill Johnson among many others.
@@david8252 And the church father were Catholic and they too did not have iphone or tech gadget you are using right now too so are you going to trash them??
@@sorrowinchrist3387 terrible mention of church history lol. Tell me you don't read it without telling me. Church history shows us how God sovereignly kept His church pure. We have brothers in Christ who even know John the Apostle, the counsel of Laodicea, and Nicea, were biblical groups. What a weird comment. This is not about technology. The whole point is we have the word of God.
I'd even go so far as to say that it's dangerous to go back to "beautiful" church buildings, including the cathedrals I have loved in the past. It's God's word that saved me, and I do better with no visuals. Great podcast. Yes, "The Chosen" is very dangerous. I've read too many comments of people saying "My relationship with Jesus has become so much better. I see 'Jesus' in the Chosen, and now I pray to HIM." This is idolatry, plain and simple. Glad you guys did this.
Thank you for these insights and comments which affirms my concerns about The Chosen This panel also touched on use of Bible story books or "children's Bibles" here a bit. As a Christian mother, grandmother, educator & media specialist (public then homeschool as well as in missionary and church contexts), I feel compelled to comment further on that topic. There is a dearth of well illustrated children's Bible based materials to use with young children. Most have cartoonish illustrations and avoid or "dumb down" the Scriptures, especially the more difficult but significant passages such as Abraham's call to sacrifice Issac. We have found book with select Bible stories that has realistic human and animal images which also stays fairly on-point to the Scriptures. It also has historical information and notes - but set-apart from the stories - about foods, tools, etc of the given period. It is the The Children's Illustrated Bible with illustrations by Eric Thomas/retold by S. Hastings, and used to be my go-to first baby/family gift for young families. HOWEVER, it is now OOP and skyrocketed in prices. Found myself purchasing it in "like new" condition as used to give (with explanatory note!) as gifts. Our grandchild has taken this book, after it being read every day, and sat for quite some time pouring over the images and retelling the stories since 2yo! Is it 'perfect?' No! Is it the complete Bible? Of course not, but a good tool! G3 Min...great opportunity here for developing an affordable teaching took like this for families !!!!! Thankful my adult child has carefully read gifted "Bible" story books and just trashed them as they were so terrible!
26:22 - 26:52 This right here!
Thank you. Good points.
The writers and production are using their social platforms to draw people to mormonism [a big pr piece] and to catholic apps.
Which producers and what socisl platforms? Can you send a link to a website I follow? It is: The Chosen: Do not be deceived".
Anything that popular is questioning anything the world loves not the love of the Father
I’ll be there in September!!!
Pilgrim’s Progress too, as well as the others Scott Aniol mentioned, LOTR & Chronicles of Narnia.
Yeah, but even those are terrible according to some (magic, wizards, witches, etc.). Truth is, Christians tend to find demons under every rock.
100%. My church just started a "Walking with Frodo" Bible study... My husband and I were not impressed
Any church promoting The Chosen is suspect at best on their theology/doctrine. I ran across a snippet of The Chosen where Matthew was portrayed as some kind of neurotic ocd type which is nuts to begin with and I walked out. That was enough for me.
Matthew is portrayed as what is called Asperger's Syndrome or high funtioning Autism which my grandson has has as other people I know. I am sure the Jesus I know, the Jesus of the Bible, would not choose someone to be His disciple just because he was mentally or phydically challenged. You are saying you are a better judge of people than Jesus. I'm glad Jesus accepted my grandson when he put his faith in Jesus and didn't turn him away because he was "some kind of neurotic OCD type".
@@cyndatanner5161 you missed the point. That portrayal is not Biblically accurate. Your personal experiences don’t matter. That’s not who Matthew was and it’s vulgar and heretical to portray a great apostle of God in the manner in which Matthew was displayed.
@@mimig123 And G3 talk on visual representation as idolatrous is harmful. If you have a disabled child who learn best through visual representation are you going to force him to keep learning by reading?
@@sorrowinchrist3387 I won’t speak to your individual circumstances, but you do have Scripture to obtain Truth and answers to your question.
@@mimig123 I would do it for you if you were mormon :) Jesus wont have responded like this. And that makes me sad you cant enter into a proper discussion on this.
"I am the Law", actually attacks the soteriology of protestant evangelicalism. Paul speaks of the Law as separate institution, fulfilling a separate cause than that of Jesus. When I first started watching Chosen, I thought it was unique, but over all stopped because there were so many undertones that were controversial.
Jesus saying “I am the Law of Moses” makes perfect theological sense. Whose 'finger' do you think it was that inscribed in stone tablets the Ten Commandments? To Whom do you think Moses was interacting with when he wrote the rest of Torah? Who lived the Law of Moses perfectly in His life, something that no one else has been able to do? Who, according to John 1 is the WORD WHO BECAME FLESH? And, Who bore the curse of the Law on the cross on our behalf (Rom 7:10)? The artistic license in The Chosen DOES NOT CONTRADICT BIBLICAL THEOLOGY!
@@NitroHead11 ok Charles
Tough subject, good discussion. God bless you guys
People need to turn the tv off and get into the pure unadulterated Word.
11-13 minute mark tells you everything you need to know.
About?
Up to and including that mark showing the G3 panelists' analysis of The Chosen is highly flawed. The panelists are misinformed causing them to be full of conceit and deceit. Please read my rebuttal to the video here in this comment thread.
The main problem with the show is that people are invested in the drama and the side stories. All of the positive reviews I've watched are talking about things that never happened in scripture, like miscarriages, Jesus refusing to heal someone, drama between characters that were never in the Bible, etc. Then people argue that these stories are plausible and compare them to actual biblical events. This elevates the fiction to the same level as scripture, when it's pure fiction driven by Mormon and Catholic theology. Nope. No thank you. I'll just read the Bible.
Me too, sister, me too.
They present Jesus as weak and vacillating, a mere man.. ..definitely Mormonism.
Gentlemen, I whole heartedly agree with all of your points regarding this subject. Thank you for taking the time to discuss and present this video on said subject, as it has become very popular, even amongst "professing" Christians.
It is very easy just to send this video link to all who are in favor of the questionable show. My question is:
Should I take the time to watch the show for myself so that I can adequately defend the Biblical Jesus or do I just forward the link to this TH-cam video?🤔
Thank you in advance for your reply.
I highly recommend that you don't watch this show. I haven't watched any episodes but have seen some clips that have been shown as examples of how unbiblical the show is. Those images are now stuck in my mind. :(
When Dallas Jenkins came out of the gate 2 years ago on Melissa Dougherty's episode and said that 95% of the Bible isn't in the show and then trippled down on that same remark in front of Allie Beth Stuckey last December without any objection from her, then that is really all that you need to know.
You can check it out for yourself. I've only watched the first season and that was more than enough. The interviews by Dallas in the years since has told me everything I need to know.
How can you make true judgments if you just rely on what could be practically "hearsays"? I take, if you want to make true judgments of whether this show is good or evil, you should see it for yourself. After all, it is not those shows that has blatant display of evil like gore violence (although it might have this when it gets to the crucifixion) or sexual immorality. It's more of how life was in first century Israel under Rome. Because if you just tell others not to watch it just because you heard others say this and that, aren't you bearing false witness?
@@animaticToshiue well that's easy to avoid this notion of you assuming that this is bearing false witness. I have watched the show and can confirm that it backs up Dallas Jenkins claim that 95% of the Bible isn't in the show and its completely inventing its own lore of the Christ event. So that is not hearsay, that is a fact. See how that works?
@@animaticToshiue I have seen enough of The Chosen to know that it's presenting a false christ and a false gospel. I don't have to watch all of it to know it's false, just like I don't have to read the entire Book of Mormon or any other books from other cults, to know they're false teachings. The Chosen is a bad, Bible flavored, soap opera that's manipulating people's emotions. It corrupts Bible reading, prayer, and worship by planting false narratives in the minds of viewers. I choose not to partake.
Thank you for this, guys! Very helpful. 👍
I have one push back: Jesus is the image of the invisible God (Col 1). Jesus was fully a human. Jesus was a Jewish man. Jesus lived in 1st century Israel. All this gives us helpful knowledge of what Jesus would have looked like as a Jewish human man. So, pictures of Jesus as a 1st c. Jewish man, in my opinion, is not necessarily the problem. The Council of Nicaea (787AD) agrees. Only when those pictures (or icons) turn into idolatry, or that they are a "window to heaven" (as the Orthodox churches and Roman Catholics falsely believe), or that they are to be prayed to and venerated, THEN we have a problem. But, a simple image (even of Jesus) is violating the 2nd Commandment because Jesus is the image of the invisible God and was a real Jewish man in the 1st c. We don't worship any image. We don't venerate it. We don't pray to it. But, it can be helpful of reminding of the doctrine of Jesus' full humanity without leading to idolatry.
So, this leads to permitting children's books having a cartoon Jesus. So long as that image is a Jewish man and the speech bubble is quoting from the Bible, there is no 2nd Commandment violation in my view.
Concerning video-media: actors that portray Jesus have a serious problem, because even if they strictly use Jesus' quotes only, what you have is someone attempting (and failing every time!) to portray God incarnate. There is no way a human with a sinful nature--even a redeemed soul--can do this. They will get the facial expressions right, nor the tone of the words, nor the perfect humility, nor the tone of his anger, etc., etc. This is why I do like video-media or theater of Jesus. They cannot do justice to the Son of God and should therefore be avoided.
Now, portraying other Bible character is fine with me, because it is a sin-nature human acting the role of another sin-nature human. That works, so long as one doesn't stretch the text of Scripture beyond it historical-grammatical understanding. Also, images/movies of Jesus as a baby is fine to me, because again Jesus was fully a human and therefore was born like every human and would have looked like every baby. So, not issue there because it is just a baby, no talk.
All to say, I love what y'all have said on the LDS angle. This has always been my problem with "The Chosen." I have avoided it just for that reason and have encouraged other to do the same. The issue with the medium of entertainment or art is also concerning as it tends--as y'all said--to bypass the mind and settle in the emotions. That is a problem, because our knowledge of Jesus (from Scripture) must inform and drive our emotions, not the other way around, as media does.
(this is the longest comment I have ever made on TH-cam.....🤔😂).
I am happy to engage where I am wrong. But, the above is where I land at the moment.
Thank again guys! Your love for Christ and His Word are clear and encouraging. ☺
This is good stuff here. I agree that images of Christ are not inherently a violation of the second commandment. Especially when you consider this same command is against graven images of things in earth and in the ocean as well...and everyone has pictures, statues, figures, dolls etc in their homes and they don't think twice about it. So they idea that an image or depiction of Christ is a violation is simply not true. The one gentleman said that it's not about worship but simply having the image, but that's not true at all or else it wouldn't have mentioned things in earth and ocean as well.
An interesting point was made by Allie Beth Stuckey that I though was ironic:
"They sacrifice truth for relevance and in so doing it they offer a Jesus that isn't real. And a Jesus that is not real cannot save."
That is a direct quote by her just last Feburary on her Relatable episode that she devoted to clapping back the He Gets Us super bowl ads. It is a pity that this passion and concern for the Gospels and Jesus Christ was not voiced by Stuckey at all on December 2022 in her interview of Dallas and The Chosen for doing EXACTLY the same thing.
The double standard by social media influencers using Christianity as their brand is deeply troubling but not at all surprising.
An advertisement for The Chosen popped up before I could watch this. Haha.
Did the ad for the The Chosen set the stage for understanding what these men had to say about it? I'd like to know your thoughts.
Images of Christ are not inherently a violation of the second commandment. Especially when you consider this same command is against graven images of things in earth and in the ocean as well...and everyone has pictures, statues, figures, dolls etc in their homes and they don't think twice about it. So the idea that an image or depiction of Christ is automatically a violation is simply not true. The one gentleman said that it's not about worship but simply having the image, but that's not true at all or else it wouldn't have mentioned graven things of earth and ocean.
Girl at church wanted me to watch at first I watched and started liking it then something didn’t seem right..the next day the Holy Spirit spoke have no heaven images. I repented for even started watching it.
Did you stop watching The Greatest story ever told also? Really?
@@danielfontaine3240interesting that (as far as I recall) the face of Jesus never appeared in the greatest story ever told.
@G3 Ministries grace and peace to all my brothers and sisters in Christ! Very grateful to Jesus Christ for the ministry God does through you all! Praise Him!
Wondering if using dramatised audio readings of the bible denies the sufficiency of scripture? E.g. NKJV Dramatised with music, and sound effects
Grace and peace, love and prayers!
Ben from Aotearoa New Zealand
THE POWER OF “IMAGE” to manipulate emotions is nothing to treat lightly! Just imagine what signs & wonders the Beast will produce!! Hellywood & TV have been doing it FOR DECADE UPON DECADES!!
Believers in North Korea and in Pakistan are not having these types of debates.
Yes, there are some interwoven Mormon Doctrinal quotes which is entirely "Non Christian" and as an Ex-Mormon Priest and Second Spiritual Councillor that was convicted by the Lord to leave the LDS Church and preach the true Gospel I can entirely agree those instances are heretical.
Not one human being on this planet has walked in body with Christ's body. therefore, we can never truly know him as a physical man. All screen depictions, therefore, will be wrong.
Bible translations will have some misinterpretation, we should all know this, hence the NIV debate.
Artistic license is clearly being used to pad out the secondary "stories" and are obviously for dramatic effect, thus keeping hold of an audience as drama seems to be the hook with any television show. All that said there is valuable content in 'The Chosen', and there's also the chaff. The best option is to be Biblically mindful and fact-check what you hear in each episode.
The Chosen makes money but is crowd funded, actors and staff get paid.
The Gospel is free and ultimately valuable. Preaching the Gospel should also be a financially free resource.
NIV
Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ, we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
Hypocrisy binds the hands and minds of fools. Jesus didn't say this, no famous philosophor or great litrary observer penned this... I concluded this through basic common sense. A common sense Christ suggests we exercise every day!
KJV
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ
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Preaching the gospel should incur no financial cost, yet some preachers want payment. Watching some inaccuracies in the Chosen should not drive people to incorrect doctrine as long as we highlight the mistakes. See it for what it is, a dramatised TV show about Christ who is somewhat of an outline of who we really know Christ is. Just like we know we shouldn't have to pay to hear a preacher, yet some of us still do!
Hypocrisy is a bad seed. Remember.. plank, eye!
It's unfortunate to see how many "defenders of the word" are patting each other on the back saying "how right and rightous they are" when they're obviously just being aggressive about partially inaccurate information. There's good and bad in all of us, we sin every day, we're dirty rags to the Lord yet we're failing to see 'The Chosen' has the same issues.
Just because a good plant has a weed growing with it doesn't diminish the good plant.
Already a mischaracterization of the show within the first 5 minutes. No it's not "promoting that there additional stories that you can add to scripture" It never claims to add anything to scripture in regards to saying that the additions are the literal words of Christ and they should be taken as such.
Agreed. The panelists are full of conceit and deceit. Please read my rebuttal to the video here in this comment thread.
Could you address the relationship of God being Spirit and does not have a body like mine, yet He does now in the incarnation yet without sin. Jesus is and will forever be the God-man. In the eternal state will our worship of God be divided? Any help would be appreciated! God bless!
The key to your question is understanding that the members of the Trinity are of one undivided substance. This was the very issue that brought about the council of Nicea. It was settled, based (among other things) on the reading of passages such as Hebrews 1:3, which declares Jesus is the very substance of God. In our finite understanding, we can not grasp how it is that God remains undivided in substance, yet distinct in 3 persons. Likewise, we can not grasp how Christ is fully God and fully man, yet also remains undivided. So, while our worship can be directed specifically at the Son or the Father, it is still the one true God and is undivided, in that sense. In the same way, the nature of Christ is undivided, so when we worship Him, we worship Him in His fullness as both God and man. They are fully integrated. Our worship of Christ will not and can not be divided. I hope that's helpful.
How would the parables of Jesus, where He told fictional stories and one of the characters usually illustrated what God the Father is like, fit into this thinking? 🤔 Obviously He was not sinning in doing this, so He could not have been violating the 2nd commandment. Thanks. We appreciate you guys so much. 🙏
Yes he told stories and what G3 has said on visual representation as idolatrous is harmful.
Are you considering yourself a believer?
@@sorrowinchrist3387 images of Christ are not inherently a violation of the second commandment. Especially when you consider this same command is against graven images of things in earth and in the ocean as well...and everyone has pictures, statues, figures, dolls etc in their homes and they don't think twice about it. So the idea that an image or depiction of Christ is automatically a violation is simply not true. The one gentleman said that it's not about worship but simply having the image, but that's not true at all or else it wouldn't have mentioned graven things of earth and ocean.
We became very convicted of C2 over the last few years. Believers take this issue so flippantly. What does God desire?!
wake up church!
That was nauseating to watch. It's amazing how little of scripture these guys actually understand, and yet these are teachers of Israel (the church)? There is about 50 different errors in this 43 minute video, but let's examine one of their main points.
One of their biggest arguments is that the show breaks the second commandment. They sound very fond of keeping the ten commandments. I guarentee you none of these men keep the fourth commandment, keeping a Saturday Sabbath. Nor should any Christian because we are dead to the old law, and now follow the law of Christ. Anyway, let's get back to the second commandment, which by the way is still a part of the Law of Christ.
Exodus 20:4-5 says , "You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them..."
According to these men and their grotesque way of butchering the second commandment, any picture, art, or sculpture, of Jesus is idolatry, including this show. But the law says ANYTHING. So by logic a 4 year old drawing of an elephant is a violation of the second commandment. Any picture of a tree or mountain on your wall is an idol. But we see what God really means in this actual verse. YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOW NOR SERVE (worship) them. They act like the pharisees, warping the law to make it heavier than it actually is. According to these guys reasoning, literally any dipiction of anything created by God is idolotry. But that's not what the bible says. It's a sin if you actually worship or bow down to said art. So a blue eyed painting of Jesus carrying a lamb hanging about your kitchen stove is no more sinful than your 3 year old's stuffed animal dog. But these "religious teachers" want to add to God's law because of they don't understand Him. So if your lion stuffed animal is not sinful, then neither is this show.
Is any Christian worshiping the show The Chosen? Maybe there are, and they are in sin. But not a single person I know bows down to the show, Jenkins, or the actor that portrays Jesus.
Again, there are dozens of other nauseating errors in this video, but I don't want to type out a book on a youtube comment. Their whole Second Commandment Violation arugment however, is an embarassment.
Well stated and I may use your rebuttal as part of my own. I have also provided rebuttal of the first 6 minutes of the video and you can it in this comment thread. The G3 panelists' analysis of The Chosen is highly flawed. The panelists are misinformed causing them to be full of conceit and deceit.
And YOU, NitrioHead, are an arrogant MORMON!
In keeping with the book of mormon will there be a season in which “Jesus” shows up in North America?
Good point! Or will he have Jesus a polygamist having sex and procreating kids (as Mormons believe).
I read they rebranded VidAngel to Angel Studios.
Part of the reason is because of the blackeye the then VidAngel took at the courts over copyright infingement when that gizmo of theirs was used to clean up what you watch on television. The rebranding is to move away from that.
I felt uncomfortable from the very beginning when I first heard about the chosen. But, I finally watch the first season. I have to admit it's pretty emotional. I almost got hooked. Then I started seeing other critics talk about it. I remember as a teenager I watched Jesus Christ Superstar and godspell I thought they were great I still do. So I guess my thoughts are is there anything recreated on the TV screen about the Bible that is okay to watch?
Our family doesn't do Narnia, etc. either. Certain allegories seem to boarder on blasphemy or 2VC and we'd rather avoid it.
And G3 talk on visual representation as idolatrous is harmful. If you have a disabled child who learn best through visual representation are you going to force him to keep learning by reading?
Nothing wrong with Narnia you should get right of all tech worldy items then,
Me neither. My Christian friends have always made fun of me for that
P.S. God didn’t say “you must not touch….” Eve said He said it.
Satan is a liar. Read the book of Genesis.
Who can, while in a state of fellowship with God, dare to play at being a prophet? Who has the gall to pretend to be an apostle, even in a show? Where is his reverence? Where is his fear? Where is his humility? Any one who can bring himself to act a part for any purpose, must first have grieved the Spirit and silenced His voice within the heart.
~A.Z Tozer~
They are NOT adding stories that they have not expressed specifically are ''fiction''.. Also it's made clear that this is not strictly Biblical 'but' tells true stories of what Jesus did. Smart and wise people will compare this wonderful series with scripture. I hope that you viewers at least watch it for themselves and see what it's about. Everyone has an opinion and you are most certainly entitled to yours. Just remember that you are influencing people. So is The Chosen. And yes, it is a matter of people having their eyes opened to the Gospel of Jesus and opening up a Bible. If they don't open God's book, the Bible, they remain ignorant.
I agree with The Chosen series being scripturally wrong. People just do not read their Bibles. Like God doesn't talk their language. I learned..after about a year of reading every day.. God the Holy Spirit will teach one to know God, and give the one who really wants to know.. understanding. I receive corrections alot. And the Holy Spirit keeps me in the scriptures.
Good ol G3 being G3 in this video. They are sooo strict. I mean even RC Sproul doesn't hold the position these guys are espousing. What about my children's bibles with pictures of the ark, giraffes, and Jesus?
I'd say that the issue is that the creator of the Chosen says he is portraying the "authentic" Jesus while putting words in His mouth, changing His message, and placing an interpretation of His behavior and emotions. Does the book you have do that?
@@heathobrien356 I was joking. I was quoting josh verbatim when he said, "now people are probably going to object by saying . . ." :)
@@sonofnun1917 yeah, I realized that 10 minutes after I wrote that. Man. I need to watch a whole video before answering issues. Sigh.
@@heathobrien356 hahaha No worries!!
[Rebuttal of the G3 critique of The Chosen, PART 1]
Note: all quotes from the G3 panel of commentators are directly from the TH-cam video transcript and are timestamped in sync with the video. This rebuttal will be several days in the making but I will post it in parts as I complete them for the sake of sectional brevity. I am taking the time to make this rebuttal to counter the apparent ignorance, extreme bias, and ‘doctrinalotry’ of the commentators.
(3:20) Are they (The Passion of the Christ sequel) playing off of the success of The Chosen (TC)? Answer, “probably”.
Fact: It’s not about the “success of TC”, but about finishing the story of The Passion of the Christ. And Mel Gibson’s production team was planning the sequel long before the apparent success of TC.
(4:10) Three ‘problems’ that need to be discussed.
1. The Mormon problem.
2. The 2nd Commandment problem.
3. People’s lack of understand of art and media.
(4:41) so, regarding the “Mormon problem”, Virgil Walker begins by making a statement and then immediately recants it. Is he confused? Here’s his statement, “. . . producers of the movie or or those who are who are promoting the movie uh it's it's uh the Mormon church not the Mormon church it's the folks who are connected uh with with the Mormon Church they are producing this . . .”
Fact: it’s not a “movie” but a multi-season TV show. Then he makes it sound like all of the producers are Mormon when, as far as I know, there are two out of twelve+ producers that are Mormon. They are principally responsible for the dissemination of TC through a variety of media, and they are doing a great job of it. Moreover, they have NOTHING to say about the screenplay of the show. That is under the auspices of three Evangelical writers, who also consult with a Roman Catholic priest, a Messianic Jewish Rabbi, and Evangelical Bible scholar to provide balance to the content of the script. Notice that ‘LDS Bishop’ was not included in that consultation. Moreover, Virgil says TC is affiliated with the LDS religion and then immediately recants his statement. But just like a good court prosecutor he got his shot in before overriding himself. Just because a couple of the producers and distributors have some members who are Mormon doesn’t mean TC has the official endorsement of the LDS church. They don’t. And to say they do or that LDS has influence on TC is a blatant statement of ignorance or agenda-driven deception. IT IS A NON-ISSUE.
Dallas’ apologetic on the so-called “Mormon problem”
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(4:54) “. . . they're [Mormons] pushing it out on video and and and and and [sic] the idea that they're that they're really promoting is uh the idea that there are additional stories that you can add to scripture uh that tell the story of Jesus . . .”
Fact: and this is an utter lie. Virgil, sorry dude, but you’re blowin’ smoke with this one. This is a fabrication, not based on factual reality. First, as I have previously stated, the Mormons have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCRIPT of TC. Second, the content is solely the responsibility of Dallas Jenkins, the creator, executive producer, director, and co-writer of the screenplay for TC. Third, there are only two other writers, and they are conservative Evangelicals as well. Fourth, the backstories in question here are NOT the product of the Mormons, but the artistic license of the writers. And “additional stories added”? Consider them to be what the Apostle John edited out of his Gospel (John 20:30; 21:25) who, for the sake of brevity, didn’t include his ‘backstories’, but where TC does for the sake of screenplay fluidity. It is plausible script and none of which they added contradicts Biblical theology. IT IS A NON-ISSUE.
(5:18) “ . . . the problem with the Mormon connection as it relates to this movie was uh Mormon Doctrine would be infused and and we do have an issue there I think it was the the last episode uh during the Christmas time uh what we saw was a reference to third Nephi right I believe it was third in Nephi 15 9 that actually had the quote there where where he says uh Jesus says or the the character says I am the law right I am the law um that's that's that's a problem because [a)] it comes out of not the Bible but it comes out of the Book of Mormon . . .”
Fact: there is no “Mormon connection” and Dallas Jenkins DID NOT consult the Book of Mormon (BOM) and was unaware that the line he wrote for the Jesus character was even in the BOM. The actual line was, “I am the Law of Moses” in response to the Pharisee challenge to Jesus’ authority. And the line doesn’t even directly match the 3 Nephi 15:9 quote. Another empty allegation, A NON-ISSUE.
Dallas’ rebuttal of quoting from the Book of Mormon?
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(5:55) “. . . secondarily there are a lot of theological issues to be addressed as it relates to that . . .”
Fact: What theological issues, Virgil? Jesus saying “I am the Law of Moses” makes perfect theological sense. Whose 'finger' do you think it was that inscribed in stone tablets the Ten Commandments? To Whom do you think Moses was interacting with when he wrote the rest of Torah? Who lived the Law of Moses perfectly in His life, something that no one else has been able to do? Who, according to John 1 is the WORD WHO BECAME FLESH? And, Who bore the curse of the Law on the cross on our behalf (Rom 7:10)? The artistic license in The Chosen DOES NOT CONTRADICT BIBLICAL THEOLOGY! Have you even watched any episode of The Chosen? Or are you and your cohorts doing what many of the other critics are doing, critiquing something you haven’t watched? Smh IT IS A NON-ISSUE.
. . . . more to come . . . .
WIth the mormon issue you said not a problem in the Chosen movie? Can you explain? Even if there are few actors mormon it is a spiritual base film so watching it people might get influence by Mormonism. And the chosen series is more happy joking Jesus which changes who Christ was during that time.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 [WIth the mormon issue you said not a problem in the Chosen movie? Can you explain?]
It was explained in my rebuttal. You would do well to re-read it.
[Even if there are few actors mormon . . .]
There are no actors that are Mormon as far as I know. In another post you erroneously assumed the actor playing Jesus was Mormon. He is not. He is a redeemed Roman Catholic who loves Jesus as much as I do.
[. . .it is a spiritual base film . . .]
. . . With absolutely no Mormon influence in the script. Re-read my rebuttal.
[. . . people might get influence by Mormonism.]
There is nothing in the show that would explicitly or implicitly convey anything that is remotely Mormon. All three screenplay writers are Evangelical and are solely responsible for the content of the script. Re-read my rebuttal.
[And the chosen series is more happy joking Jesus . . .]
Are you saying that our historical Biblical Jesus was less than human and had no sense of humor? He was 100% human as well as being 100% God (the Son). Btw, humor is not a sin. Jesus' choice of words was meant to insult the Pharisees while providing comic relief for the victims of their hypocrisy. Get a clue.
[. . . which changes who Christ was during that time.]
It changes nothing. I would hope the Jesus I know and love is not as glum as you are. These G3 hyper-Reformed doctrinaloters have gotten your concept of Jesus all twisted up in a bundle.
@@NitroHead11
[There are no actors that are Mormon as far as I know. In another post you erroneously assumed the actor playing Jesus was Mormon. He is not. He is a redeemed Roman Catholic who loves Jesus as much as I do.]
Yes they are the producer is also heavily influence by mormons said Jesus they love is Jesus he loves. Dangerous!
This is another issue with catholic are you saying their theology is correct too?
[. . . people might get influence by Mormonism.]
Read above reply and also the jesus they represent is very similar to the mormon bible in one of the books.
If it was done by catholic or even islam it still be the same.
[Are you saying that our historical Biblical Jesus was less than human and had no sense of humor?]
its not about being human its about being historical accurate like as Jesus did not tell jokes and was happy joy jumping. Could have a Jesus who is white and on it goes.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 I'll give you the same challenge I've given to others. Show me one place in the Script that contradicts Biblical theology. You assume that contact with people of aberrant religions has somehow contaminated the script.
Dallas has explained ad nauseam concerning each point here. The series is doing more good than any possible harm. Have y’all read any of the comments? Young people are getting into their Bibles and understand TC isn’t the Bible. People for example with dementia and autism are relating to TC and watching when they’ve never connected with anything else before.
The G3 panelists' analysis of The Chosen is highly flawed. The panelists are misinformed causing them to be full of conceit and deceit. Please read my rebuttal to the video here in this comment thread.
Kathy bj...your ignorance is really creepy. Educate yourself by studying the non-Biblocal doctrine taught by the Mormon cult, and echoed by its Mormon producers of The Chosen. Jenkins isnt even a Christian. He is a money maker who knows where his check is coming from. Angel Studios is owned and operated by Mormons!
At 19:28, God never said not to touch the fruit of the tree, He only said not to eat the fruit of the tree. Eve said that in Genesis 3:3, changing the Word of God, which was the first sin committed in the garden.
I caught that too.
How many people are ok with School Nativity plays having 3 wise men at the birth of Jesus?
🤣 Thank you! NOT I! That has always bothered me. Christ was nearly 2 years old when Herod slaughtered all males 2 and under in Bethlehem trying to kill Jesus off. Why 2 and under? If the 3 wise men from the east had come right at or slightly before Jesus' birth in Bethlehem, Herod would have had all males born in the previous few days, weeks or months slaughtered, not 2 year olds and under. It's the shepherds who visit Christ in the manger. The wise men come along somewhere in the first 2 years after Jesus' birth. So, that has always bugged me. Either God tells the Truth or He doesn't. There is no in between. I believe God, rather than man.
I want to start off by saying I love G3 and their content. I also want to say I do see many concerns with The Chosen series as well as with depicting Jesus in the arts overall. However, I see an error in understanding the second commandment here. You only reference Exodus 20:4a, and it does a disservice to the full command.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
Exodus 20:4-6 NKJV
The first commandment is about not worshipping other gods. The second commandment is about not worshipping the one true God through an image.
It has less to do with creating an image of something, but everything to do with worshiping that image.
Otherwise, art in general would go against God's Word since we should not make images of heavenly things OR earthly things.
I love you guys, but the context of the second commandment in its entirety was neglected.
Fully agree with your assessment.
"The Chosen" show is a train wreck and has blasphemous scenes. The show actually gives me the creeps lol.
I agree with everything except the reformed view of the 2nd commandment (I don't believe that all images are immediately sin). ^•^
I appreciate all that was said in this video even if I didn't agree with it all. This definitely gave me things to think about more.
I'm in full agreement with you about the dangers of The Chosen. I warn people against it. The question I have is about the use of images. Lutherans, for example, will point out that the Tabernacle had images of angels in the curtains as well as molded angels on either end of the Ark of the Covenant. I think this is a good discussion to be had. Why do y'all say about that use of images?
Agree with Chosen being bad but on G3 that visual representation as idolatrous is harmful.
Angels are not images of God, which is what the 2nd commandment is talking about.
@@marebear09 The 2nd Commandment: “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them..."
So, G3 says: "No likenesses of anything in heaven or on earth, which would eliminate angels and every other created thing."
Lutherans say: "So, what about the images of angels in the Tabernacle?"
G3 says: ??
I would like to know how to respond to folks like the Lutherans.
@@carolberubee I love G3, but I believe they are so much wanting to protect reformed theology ( which I am in agreement with ) that they purposefully leave out the rest of that commandment. Notice they stopped at “heaven above” and just put 3 dots (…) rather then completing the entire context of the commandment. The second commandment IS an extension of the first, because it is about idol worship. And it says not to create carved images from heaven above ( think sun gods ), earth below ( golden calf ), or the waters beneath ( there was even a fish god ), with the intent of WORSHIPING it. (Or even worship God THROUGH it.) Remember, when Moses brought down the 10 commandments from Mount Sinai, the Israelites had just come out of centuries of slavery in Egypt where everything the Egyptians worshiped was carved images. It was a culture they were immersed in that they had to leave behind, and wasn’t that what Israel kept getting in trouble for over and over? Worshiping other gods? (Judges 2:11)
Children’s bibles, felt board images of Jesus, Jesus coloring books, or nativity scenes aren’t being utilized to worship God.
If that’s their conviction it’s fine, but it isn’t what the scripture says.
That said, I am not a fan of The Chosen, but for all the other reasons they talked about, not it being a 2nd commandment violation.
But I DO believe it’s true that some are placing this tv show into a place of worship in their hearts, caring more about defending a show than caring if it’s scriptural or not.
@@carolberubee Ah, I see.
Garden of Eden- The tree was fenced off? They were told not to touch or eat of it?
7:39 You fellas are being far to gracious with Allie Beth Stuckey. She pressed Dallas exactly ONCE and spent the entire time reflecting back his response to the questions he agreed to answer and even coached Dallas through some of it. No critical questions were asked by Allie Beth Stuckey. It was made more disgraceful that Lynn Wilder in the prior episode point blank warned her that Mormonism is couched in Christian language and about the show with Allie admitting that she never watched it, only to turn around and declare in the middle of the Dallas interview that Mormonism is not influencing the show.
She's been hiding under her bed tweeting ever since to avoid answering this.
I like Allie, but I agree she didn’t press hard enough on Him in that interview.
Not having looked at much G3 material, I was a little afraid to click the link, frankly. Very relieved to see it was a podcast.
I could not get through the first episode of the first season of "The Chosen". When it comes to my understanding of God, it was reading the Bible that rescued me from false teaching I was inundated with some 40 years ago (and walked away from). So, before I even got to the concepts of "idolatry" I was just having conniptions over the extreme license the show took with the story of Jesus. Plausibility? Are you kidding me? I don't worship a "plausible" God, I worship the God in the Bible who is Real, unchanging, and eternal. I pray to the God described in the Bible as a Trinity, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And that is who saved me. So, no, I couldn't even get through the first episode of that show....and I was trying to just "make it to the end". But it was too horrible.
Imagine, someone writing a life story of your mom, and they decide to add something they think is "plausible" but never was her? Wouldn't that upset you? And that's just the human being you call "mom". Don't mess with my God! I really hated it. So I stand solidly with the opinions expressed in this video.
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God forbids images that will be worshipped. That is what "image" means. It is not wrong to portray Jesus in a film as long as people are not worshiping the actor or worship that actor as though he is Jesus. What matters is what is said and what they have Jesus says. I have posted warnings on "The Chosen" for other reasons, not that it has Jesus in it. There are some excellent films on the gospels where the only words are straight out of the Bible. But having Jesus say things he would not say because they are against his nature is what is the issue, as well as Jenkins working with Mormons and his statements about them believing in the same Jesus.
Thank you for watching "The Chosen" so I don't have to. Your commentary convinced me that watching it would have been a waste of my time.
And you, like so many other shallow minded people who can't think for themselves help prove my argument and are part of the problem of slander and gossip plaguing the contemporary church. The G3 panelists' analysis of The Chosen is highly flawed. The panelists are misinformed causing them to be full of conceit and deceit. Please read my rebuttal to the video here in this comment thread.
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So then are all films and adaptations of any of the stories in the Bible wrong? Are Nativity scenes inherently wrong because they’re not exact?
Did you guys not watch Wretched? He talked about the whole, "law of Moses" thing.