ACC gets MAJOR Conference Realignment NEWS | UNC Clemson FSU
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- UNC got some unfortunate news today when the UNC School System changed a rule that may prevent them from exiting the ACC. We explore the latest on UNC, NCSU, and Conference Realignment.
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You may need to watch some UNC football games and NCSU games before you say UNC has more fans/ticket sales/attendance.
UNC fans can read though
You're right. NCSU is the bigger football brand. They are absolutely fine
Unc tv numbers r horrible around 11 in conference for football
Ncs and unc are the major players in the ACC. There is a power block there and with WF and Duke and will stand together. Miami and Clemson can leave if they want. ACC is primarily a basketball league but what they don’t get is the SEC are quickly rivaling the ACC because of money. The SEC basketball teams will over take them very soon. The ACC is being mismanaged and is not promoting their schools best interests
Yes and the mismanagement and complete absence of the ACC promoting the interest of their members schools has been in effect from the first gosh forsaken day FSU joined.
The ACC has never been a football-first conference and surely the "mismanagement" you perceive is merely the priority the conference has always placed on basketball and other sports. There is no mismanagement, but there definitely is a mismatch of priorities vis-a-vis FSU. I do not see that changing.
The odds are not in Miami's favor to get a B1G invite. The B1G has one private school in Northwestern and only wants another if it's Notre Dame. That has been clear for years.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Miami is an elementary school compared with ND.
They will have two private schools when USC joins so I don’t think that would be an issue one way or the other in Miami getting invite.
The Big 10 would take either or both FSU and USC Miami in a heart beat. Florida and Texas are the only two Major TV market the Big 10 doesn’t already dominate. So popular teams in Florida and Texas have a golden ticket to the Big 10
This is about money plain and simple Miami, FSU, Texas A&M are worth as much or more than Notre Dame. The Florida and Texas TV markets are worth taking any and all.
Good!
UNC is primarily a basketball school and the face of the ACC (along with Duke)…neither team should EVER leave the ACC.
Disagree
This is a moot point if the ACC folds due to departures of teams such as FSU or Clemson.
'Availability' will be key. Clemson and Miami seem to be closer to being 'available' than others.
Miami is the number 1 brand.
@@jimmyjam5453 Miami is a strong brand. Quick google search reveals Clemson is stronger. First 3 sites I found.
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California already went thru this…and USC /UCLA split from Cal/Stanford…can’t hold anybody back without lawsuits galore!
I would hesitate to extrapolate experiences based on things that happened in the People’s Republic of California to anywhere else in the country.
Stanford and USC are private schools. They aren't tied to UCLA or Cal
@@PaulH581California has the 5th largest economy in the world dumb arse. Our economy is kicking arse. What state do you live in?
The state of California reagents didn’t have any say with Stanford leaving, since it’s a private university, like USC is. UCLA, like Cal (or UC-Berkeley as it’s officially known), are both state schools. The Big Ten simply didn’t want Stanford nor Cal, even though they’re both two top universities. Cal’s the number 1 public university in the world.
unc football is a joke
Yeah But At Least The Basketball Team Is Doing Something
@@CofferRichardson-vp2zd Basketball isn’t what makes the big money.
@@zachellenburg5738 Sir I Was Referring To Him Saying UNC Football Is A Joke
Saying That The Basketball Team Is Doing Good This Season
I Didn't Mention Anything About Money
Confuse About The Comment
@@CofferRichardson-vp2zdsir, it’s not that deep
@@yazanimates6949 do you people really love to backtrack someone's comment to stick a point to me
trust me you're not the first
and i seen that coming
A Local View: NC State has won 6 of the last 8 football games against UNC and was the swing vote that changed that allowed the addition of the recent three additional schools, based entirely on the financials. The fans bases hate each other (more than Duke vs UNC). So I would discount any collusion between these two schools in terms of realignment. As you indicated, both schools and the ACC itself are NC based have serious history with considerable energy. And I am sure there is an interlocking collection of Big Four alumni on various boards (as well as many fans) who want to see the ACC continue in its new form (Hello Stanford, Cal and SMU).
If/when FSU which has been a distraction and never a core ACC institution, leaves the ACC, would that make UNC an ACC Kingpin and so be to their advantage? Clemson and Miami have worked well in the ACC and may chose to transition out which would not create problems for the ACC.
But yeah, due to politics UNC is probably not going anywhere.
Remember that NC State flip their vote when bringing in Stanford, Cal, and SMU and Wake Forest original vote was in favor of the new comers too. UNC voted against bring in the the new comers. North Carolina politics can be complex and there are deals that can be made to make sure the approval goes through even it means UNC going to another conference. Remember when the legislature was going to step in with the whole ECU and NCSU deal(where NCSU was going to stop playing ECU in football), but did not because a deal was made between the schools behind the scenes. I think UNC would prefer to stay in the ACC because the North Carolina schools will have more power if FSU leaves, but at the same time they don't want to be stuck in the ACC if the money is not right.
Given the manner in which VaTech joined the ACC and their performance therein, it would surprise me if they would choose to leave, if that were even possible. I live in hope that they will be able to resume their national prominence. They have much admiration & respect in the conference and for good reason.
It is not clear what the football landscape will look like going forward, and I do not believe that ACC schools are well situated to field top football teams consistently, given the costs, priorities and complexities. Factors such as stadium sizes and fan support suggest a more middle-tier for ACC football programs overall. The conference could certainly product one or two strong teams each year which could compete with schools which are more football-centric.
The only hate is coming from the ncsu side. If we hated you, we'd beat you more in football. To be real, we just feel sorry for you. You have a toxic fanbase, but I do respect your women's basketball program. That's the one thing you've got going. And women's tennis.
Your point about the hate coming from the Raleigh side does reflect my information. The State people seem to be behind all negative allegations concerning the UNC programs. UNC fans have shown disdain rather than hate so far. Perhaps the State coach referring to the UNC football team as "pieces of s***" has not helped the atmosphere.
This might hurt the chances of them joining the BIg10. For the SEC, they might take both and it might hurt UVA instead.
The SEC came out a couple of months ago and stated that Miami will never been invited to join the conference. Miami doesn't meet the qualifications required by the SEC. One of the qualifications is that they want only state schools.
Its only sports, either way it'll be OK. Remember what makes college football special folks. We already have the NFL if you prefer. I just don't get why everyone is hell bent on destroying the college game.
Miami is private
Trying to keep up with the Joneses. The Acc has enough money to keep up with the other conferences. The 3 new schools coming in all have lots of money and are very good academically.
Making sure I watch all these with your normal content Go Noles!!!
Appreciate you!
NCSU has beaten FSU and Clemson many times. How many times has UNC beat them the last 10 years? 😊
LOL. NCSU has beaten Clemson only 3 times in the last 20 years in football. Clemson is 60-30-1 all time against the woifpack, Not even close.
My point is when have the Tar heels beat Clemson or FSU!
@@Mr.rogers1969 100% agree with this take, would much rather play at UNC than carter finely. I don't even know UNC's stadiums name they're such a non factor most years for football. NCSU on the other hand, they have played FSU tough almost every year the last 2 decades, even when FSU should have smoked them.
How many times has UNC played them the last 10 years? UNC was in the Coastal Division.
If you are talking just football, it’s FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Virginia Tech.
UNC brand is basketball. NC State is a better football program than UNC. I think UNC would fit the Big 10 and NC State would fit the SEC. Problem is those conference are not working together
First you don't know what you're talking about. No one wants NC State and UNC football OWNS THEM...North Carolina leads,
68-39-6 (.628)[1]
As of late State has won the football series I’ll give you that but UNC is the Brand. No one cares outside of Raleigh about NCSU. If UNC went to the SEC they would dominate basketball and it would only help improve the football program with three SEC brand.
The ESPN TV deal for ACC is terrible! The ACC will never grow in football without the money the other conferences get from their TV deals.
@@zachmorello6592state has a winning record for the last 40 some years but yea unc was the better program befor that
UNC has been running the ACC for decades. I hope they are tied to NC State like a ball and chain. The Big XII would be a great place to see them end up; either that or a rebuilt ACC with no C lemson, FSU, Miam or Duke. My heart would bleed for them.
Not wrong here. The supposed bad TV deal was struck by the UNC handpicked commissioner.
At least unccheat won’t get their asses whupped by NC State every FB season
North Carolina leads,
68-39-6 (.628)[1] TRY AGAIN POTSIE
Like yall don't get your butt whipped every year on bball?
@zachmorello6592 a record based on officials cheating for unc. Outside the acc, unc will struggle in every sport due to the lack of influence like it has had so easy since the 1950's.
What are the student enrollment numbers for UNC and NC St? Alumni?
NCSU and ECU have the highest enrollments in the State and UNC-CH isn't far behind. But UNC-CH is the flagship of the system.
I’m a North Carolina fan. I’d love to be in a new conference. Change is a good thing, especially with the new weird rules about transfers and nationwide conferences.
NCSU has more students than UNC-Chapel Hill. The Univesity of North Carolina System includes all of the state-funded colleges/universities in the State. The UNC System Board has the authority to make decisions about schools moving to another conference. Only about 1% of all colleges and universities in the USA break even on sports, and the ones that do often charge a high athletic fee for their students. On the average, students pay about😊 $1000 per semester, but students are not the ones you see in the football stands.
They signed a horrible contract prompted by a commissioner that did a bad job. SEC and Big10 shouldn't bail any of them out.......effectively eliminating them from strengthening their programs. They are screwed by falling behind each and every year until their contract expires. By that time their football programs will be a shell. All in the name of keeping a governing ACC board getting their paychecks and the colleges programs to suffer.
A couple things hold UNC back not the least being in a very small TV market.
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NC State is fine all by themselves in football. Culturally and academically they are better suited for the SEC. But I'm willing to bet UNC prefers the Big 10. And for NC St. that's a bummer...
I think the State of North Carolina market is valuable enough for both of the big two conferences to want to be in but I would hesitate to guess what that would mean for the North Carolina fan. I don’t think as a UNC fan that UNC has a good chance to leave without NC State to also have a “suitable” landing spot.
That doesn’t necessarily mean the two schools would go to the same conference in my opinion. I could see a scenario where say the B1G would invite UNC (to beat out the SEC) and the SEC would invite NC State to secure a presence in the State of North Carolina. I think the SEC would like UVA as well so that could help a team like NC State. But if a scenario arises where UNC gets an offer to either the B1G or SEC and there is no news about a landing spot for NC State you can bet your last dollar there will be a lot of highly paid cry babies we also call politicians that will at least waste a lot of time fighting UNC’s exit.
Those politicians might not succeed but they will waste a lot of time and money which they are experts at doing already. And all of this assumes that there is a way to escape the ACC GOR contract which is about as easy as finding a home without an HOA in the triangle. Good luck to any school exploring their exit options from the ACC. This conference realignment talk is starting to feel a lot like a soap opera to me. Stay tuned for the next episode of “As the ACC Turns.”
UNC won’t go anywhere without ncsu & vice versa. State legislators will keep them together. Ncsu is the way more attractive football brand anyways rn. Edit: the NC schools operate a lot like the Arizona schools in terms of being a package
I don't think so, as long as they permanent playing each other that would satisfied the alumni bases and they can do that via out of conference games. Would they push to have both schools go to the same conference yes, but I don't think it is a deal breaker if certain things are done to lock the schools to always playing each other and left behind schools are not seeing a major decrees in revenue. The UNC System board is more regional based with the board members, as of right now, and that works in UNC favor.
How do you measure more attractive? People don't watch them and their national brand is non existent compared to UNC.
Look at viewer and product sales and to me that tells you who is more desirable.
In north Carolina NC state has more alumni and get way more viewership inside the state of NC. NC State is almost more like a Texas A&M. NC State still adds markets in NC and are not a complete loss to add at all
I used to live in the Triangle and didn't notice that many NC State fans, not that I was particularly looking for them. At least they didn't have many bumper stickers/decals out there when driving.
You sure you want to compare NC State to TAMU? That’s not helping your case.
Go NOLES 🔥🏈🏆
The question is how many teams does the Big10 & SEC go to? Same for the Big12.
Note: lots of rumors that the Big12 wants Miami, VT, Pitt, Louisville. NCST would be 5th
They may add FSU cause the BIG would prefer MIami with being AAU and the SEC doesn't want them.
Didn't the Texas legislature try to stop Texas A&M from going to the SEC, and the Oklahoma legislature push bundling Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as a package deal if they left the Big12? These efforts didn't succeed, and I wonder if the same efforts with UNC and NC State will succeed where Texas and Oklahoma failed. The SEC has gotten rid of divisions which eliminates restrictions on keeping the divisions balanced by the number of teams in each, and it eliminates a limit on the number of teams added. This gives the SEC the edge in picking up these teams, with the primary limit on the number of teams added being financial - does adding a North Carolina or FSU add more revenue than it takes away as television money is divvied up? Other than increasing the costs of traveling to play in more distant venues, why wouldn't and SEC - Big 10 unofficial merger now work well for both conferences?
It will not stop UNC from leaving the the ACC and it doesn't tie UNC to NCSU. We can only be legally blocked from moving to a different conference based on the financial plan that we present to the UNC board of governors. All of that other stuff is straight CAP!!
Truth be known UNC-CH would really rather stay where they are. The Board of Governors don't want an individual school within the system to make a "deal with the devil" borrowing from a venture capital group to buy their way out of the ACC. It's all about the financials. If it's $200 million to exit the ACC that's not a debt that the BOG would like to see a school take on and they would veto that plan. Also bare in mind that a healthy ACC brings a lot of financial benefit to the the state of NC and it is in our state's best interest that it remain strong. This might well stop the exit at either FSU alone or FSU and Clemson in which case the ACC will be fine. I don't think Miami is as attractive as some do and wonder if their trustees view a huge buyout from the ACC GOR as a wise move.
I live in Raleigh and i like NCSU way more than UNC. ( Don't tell my friends lol) but I like this deal because I don't want to see UNC go and not NCSU. Just my 2 cents
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Not right, but at least you're honest. I believe it's worth it to the SEC to take both though. UNC in the Big 10 is devastating to the SEC.
I hope the ACC doesn't crumble. 4 P5 conferences is better than 3. Ideally I would like it to get down to 2 conferences though
Did you cared when the ACcC poached and destroyed BiG East Football? What goes around comes around.
4 P5?
@@ijustwanttonap just going with the old term. yeah, it's P4 now 😂😂
@@RideTheSkies more like P2 really. 😵
@@ijustwanttonap I know. Media which influences CFB fans then see the ACC as a joke even though they went 6-4 against SEC. ACC has some solid teams. Like every conference, there are 2-3 teams that are above everyone else.
For those making statements that the Board of Governors is majority NCSU affiliated members, I looked it up. Not true at all. Here are the number. Of the 24 members here is the breakdown. Members were counted if they either graduated from or in some way otherwise affiliated with a particular school. There is overlap as in some might have gotten their undergrad degree from NCSU and a law degree from UNCCH. Some members never attended are are otherwise connected to a particular school and were obviously appointed based on their business connections.
NCSU - 8
UNCCH - 9
UNCW - 2
WCU - 2
ASU - 2
NCCU - 1
NCAT - 1
UNCP - 1
No one with a direct connection with the largest enrollment school ECU, or FSU, WSSU, ESSU, UNCG, UNCC, WSSU of the School of the Arts.
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I do not and will not "feel bad" for UNC. They suck and their whole fan base suck. Couldn't happen to worse people.
UNC is a big brand no doubt. But it’s all basketball which pales in comparison to football. If you look at viewership numbers for football, UNC and NC State are pretty even if not NC State having a slight edge. Not saying UNC isn’t a big brand. But with football viewer numbers, they’re no better than average
A lot of people confuse the UNCCH and NCSU fanbases and all their vitriol with the two school's as academic institutions. They are actually very friendly and cooperative. They work together in research projects, have graduate programs that involve classes taken at both schools and work done interchangeably, and generally are good neighbors. They are really two parts of the 16 university. As to the Board of Governors, they are political in that they are appointed based on political and business connections, in this case, overwhelmingly Republican as the GOP controlled legislative branch a few years ago stripped the Governor of the power to appoint any of the membership. Expect the BOG to be beholding to those who got them there and expect those decisions to be not so much to benefit NCSU specifically but more to protect the business interests of the state, and that may or may not benefit NCSU. What I do think they would object to would be for a member school, in this case UNCCH, deciding to leave the ACC buy borrowing a great deal of money to do so. I can't see them viewing this as fiscally wise.
If North Carolina leaves the acc is done. I hope they don't because most of us are about done with college sports after all of this mess. I liked watching Texas and Oklahoma in the big 12. And usc and Oregon in the pac 12. All of them sold out. I will only watch the acc until they disband. And if and when they do I will be done with all sports other than track.
FSU & Notre Dame to the B1G would be best. If two ACC teams, hopefully FSU & Clemson.
Miami Notre Dame to the B10 would be best.
The ACC made the wrong move by getting them west coast teams they should've recruited South Carolina Florida Penn State and bring back Maryland maybe add Rutgers so they can create real rivalries they shouldn't sellout to other conferences when they're top dog in basketball
UNC and NC State should have fled to the SEC years ago when the bathroom debacle flared up. SEC could have rounded out the conference footprint while taking two basketball schools from Tobacco Road. The NFL has NC States QBs in the league. It would have been a similar move that A&M and later Texas did, leaving the original SW Conference. Four teams in Texas, with A&M and Texas being dominant. SEC instead went west, adding Mizzou and A&M. NC is more ‘southeastern’ than Texas. I believe the SEC was actually considering his, prior to going west.
People needs to stop reading the headlines and look at the details from local media. Any public university in North Carolina has to get approval to switch conference, this is nothing new. When North Carolina A&T University moved from the MEAC to Big South and then again moving from the Big South to CAA they had to get approval both times. In their presentations to the board they noted the financials behind the move. The only thing that this new rule is doing is making the financial piece mandatory and having to offer greater detail on the financial behind the move and adding a longer notification time of a move. If anything this is more than likely a move by UNC to prevent the state legislature from getting involved and thus giving them cover to move by them selecting the criteria behind the scenes for a possible move by making certain things mandatory. I predict that if UNC wants moves to the SEC, then they will present the following to the board: the financials showing that the school will earn more profit being in the SEC along with making sure that NC State and Duke are permanent out of conference opponents. The reality is Wake Forest is expendable because they are no longer located in Wake Forest and are further away in Winston Salem, NC. They could easily throw in an WF a bone by only guarantee that they will play them on regular reoccurring period, could be every two years or something like depending on how many out of conference games they have to use.
The SEC is building the footprint of the old southern conference and thus adding North Carolina and Virginia would make that happen.
Take the Jordan name out of North Carolina and their value is barely top ten in the ACC.
Heart goes out to UNC? You feel bad for UNC fans? They've run this conference and have benefited more than any other school and those PTB have run it into the ground. Lol at viewership and tickets sold remark. Do you have any clue what your talking about?
UNC and UVA are both handcuffed to their instate counterpart (State and VT respectively). Clemson and FSU don’t have this issue. This is why I predict UNC and NC State, along with UVA and VT, both go to the SEC as package deals with Clemson and FSU being the first big moves to the B16, the aftermath of which is Stanford, ND, GT, and Miami going to the B16 as well, with the SEC picking up a handful of other teams to expand to 24 (looking at Okie State, Kansas, K State, and maybe SMU).
I still think Boo got State an invite to the SEC with putting Bama in over FSU.
I'm a UNC fan. I'd much rather go to the SEC than the Big 10.
BOG stacked by General Assembly and that is majority republican. UNC is a liberal arts school and leans kind of left. Also, several BOT folks went to NCSU. This was a move drawn from jealousy
If the B1G10 takes UNC, the SEC would prob still want a school in NC. NCST, would be a great fit in the SEC for the NC market.
UNC would be a better fit in B1G10.
ACC is also located in NC. So it’s possible that they are pulling a lot of strings there
I believe its ti keep there rivarly going year in and year out. Waiting on duke and wake forest to be added to this. U move on u take all four or nothing
ACC has always been the ’All Carolina Conference’.
Those schools have been a huge part of the problem and incest…
I think you are missing the obvious. For several years Roy Williams tormented the Republicans in the North Carolina general assembly. He did this because he believed the conservative politics they were perusing cost him his first round games in Greensboro and he got involved in North Carolina politics. Now it’s payback time. This is the Republican Party making UNC athletics pay for what they did.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing
Could honestly see NC state in the SEC
So you don’t think State has kept up with facilities! Please do you homework!!!!
It was heavily rumored that the SEC offered Oklahoma to be paired with Texas A&M before Missouri eventually got the SEC invite. The Sooners demanded Okie Lite be also invited into the SEC. The SEC then turned to Missouri. You see no Oklahoma State now accompanying Oklahoma into the SEC. People use to say those two would not separate. North Carolina is no Oklahoma in football. I just do not see the SEC taking two North Carolina schools. The SEC seems happy at 16. I think the B1G would have to do a lot to change that. Does the B!G want go way above 20 members in the deep south? I think answering that might yield a lot to what the SEC does farther north in the ACC. I don't think the B1G wants 22 or 24 members.
Seems like a pretty dumb thing to do, why wouldn’t a school want to double their revenue
I think a couple of reasons. 1) protecting their buddies at the ACC 2) trying to get a conference to take NCSU with them (UNC)
@@CFBAddiction I feel this will back fire on them.
Aren’t you the one from double fires no slaw?
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UNC/NC State are tied now. Virginia/Virginia Tech are tied as well.
VT/UVA are not tied in the same way as there is no "Board of Governors." But, each school's athletics have a considerable impact on the locations they are in and every politician will defend their locality/region economically.
No you can't hold unc back this is a done deal might be lawsuits but that's all that can happen!
The SEC won't take tag-a-longs. Won't happen. No way. They would stay pat instead.
Unc is not worth half a share outside of the ACC.
Why does anyine think UNC is such an attractive football brand? The Tarheels last football conference championship was 1980. The only ACC program with a longer drought in attaining a football conference championship is N.C. State. There has never been a Tarheel recipient of a Heisman Trophy. There has never been a UNC National Championship in football. There is only one Tarheel enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Charlotte tv market
It sucks to be a Tar Hole. Sadly, in NC there is a lot of home cooking. North Carolina businesses have a lot of control over the ACC and that has developed into an impediment for the ACC long term growth. Unfortunately, FSU has been impacted but has recourse option to move out of the conference as it is doing.
I absolutely ate to admit it, but you may be right that UNC is a more attractive brand than Miami. It hurts, that Miami has fallen so far that the canes may be the 5th Best Brand in the ACC. Miami hasn't been consistent or proven itself sine joining the ACC. There are been far too many failures.
Miami is the 2nd or 3rd biggest.
Clemson won't be in the B1G. They don't attract the conference academically. Football is not the end all be all.
Good ol’ tobacco road
Miami is toilet bin waiting to happen. Its a very small school. They are headed to the Big 12 at best
UNC & NCST could both apply for the Big12.
Why you wearing a clown cap?
Gotta get the politcians thing ironed out
UNC needs to get out of the acc conference because it's a sinking ship and I think they need to go to Big 10 better fit
For real? UNC is #46 in viewership. No conference is going looking for the 46th ranked team. And when you look at revenue generated, they would be last or next to last in the B1G and lose the conference tens of millions of dollars a year. The B1G is not bringing in anyone who would be a liability.
Why the second channel TJ ?
Colorado channel as well.
Nobody wants miami
How many channels do you have? 😅
Don't forget the Double Kool-Aid no slaw channel, ... nobody is drinking more FSU Kool-Aid than him.
It feels like the ACC is going to drag this legal battle out with FSU, for as long as they can. I’m not sure where ESPN stands with all this now. On one hand it seems they’re more in line with the ACC, but on the other hand they have to be concerned about FSU and the other top ACC schools moving to the Big Ten. I’m afraid none of this is going to get resolved as quickly as we had all hoped.
ESPN has till 25 to decide if they want to extend the ACC GOR cause its expire in 27
FSU will be throwing duces before August 15th of this year, regardless of GOR case.
@@CFBAddiction Are you thinking FSU has a backup plan if the court cases does not go in the favor, as setting up atheltics to be able to borrow money from the school might be a step in that direction or they could technical get an outside group to fund a settlement amount with the ACC given that FSU athletics is a private entity on paper.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher The courts are never going to bankrupt a public institution, like FSU, so if at worst they will place them on an affordable payment plan. Besides, the ACC probably won't even exist in 10 to 20 years, when all their legal battles are finalized.
The Acc isn't sinking.It's going to end up getting a better media contract. No offense but FSU must be desperate, the other Acc members I don't think are desperate. The 3 new additions are very good adding big states and winning programs. Stanford has been to 15 rose bowls.
If the Acc stays together they are going to get more money. Adding Cali and TX as states will prove to be a very good move.
Crazy how the Big12 passed on CAL & Stanford but the Acc added them.
It only SEEMS crazy because it was a terrible idea...but terrible ideas are right in line with how the ACC makes decisions, so it's not really surprising.
UNC is NOT a more valuable brand in football than NC State. If you actually look at the television ratings for football in recent years, NC State has higher ratings for their games than unc. Based on record in conference games, NC State is the 3rd best football program in the ACC over the last 4-5 years. Also, NC State has a MUCH better football culture, and home attendance and ticket sales at their home football games than unc.
Unc is a basketball school and has a super-lame football culture and home attendance, as even their own fans will admit. It's similar to Kentucky in the SEC -- a basketball school with a "big brand" (due to basketball) with a a bad football culture...only Kentucky actually has a better football culture and attendance than unc.
Now, if we are talking about men's basketball (or women's soccer and field hockey), then yes unc has a "more valuable brand" than NC State in men's basketball.
The SEC ,the Big Ten ,and the tv networks are to blame for this mess not the ACC. They have already wrecked the Big 12 and the PAC 12. College sports were much better without these mega conferences. 8 to 10 schools should be big enough. You should play every conference member home and home in basketball and every conference member in football. I know that’s old fashioned but I am old enough to remember when it was set up that way and it was a better situation.
Boy, you guys have a short memory. The ACC poached the Big East, and now you're crying about tv deals? You were first in line for the ESPN TV contract. It was funny when the shoe was on the other foot.
None of this is new, nor is it news. Same story with Virginia and Virginia Tech … tied at the hip. Focus on your own F$hit$how, which is mildly entertaining and will result in FSU stroking a fat check at the end of the day.
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Funny thing is that NCST is not even in the top 1-4 for the Big12
Carolina needs to leave ASAP. Can’t keep holding on history and tradition.
Unc isn’t getting out when FSU loses their lawsuit.
You are one of the few that has mentioned this. FSU and the ACC will fight this out in court. Everyone else is waiting to see what happens and how much FSU has to pay to get out. If FSU loses then everyone else might have to rethink the idea of departing.
If Fsu leaves on their own the have egg on their face. Leaving to go play in a conference where they have no natural rivalries and the schools are far away. If that conference even wants them. Fsu wants to be the Acc bully and when they couldnt get their way on conference alignment, now they want to sue and leave. Imo they are making a lot of enemies.
Did anyone really expect Boo Corrigan to idly sit back and watch his school get snubbed? I'm sure Boo is familiar with the saying, "If God wasn't a Tarheel why did He make the sky Carolina blue?" Boo had to get out of his chair and fight to keep NC State alive. UNC is one of the best known international brands; in the mix with Coke, Nike and the like. This move definitely hurts UNC. Their decision clearly shows that the powers at hand know that NCSU has no chance on their own and are being used as nothing more than an anchor to hold down the Tarheels. This should add some heat to their rivalry.
That board that now has to approve a move to another conference is majority NC State grads. This is all about making sure NC State goes with UNC, when they move. This is a huge advantage for the SEC, because at this point there is NO WAY that the BIG TEN is taking both UNC/NC State. A lot of politics at play going on here and the SEC has had serious back channel talks going on with UNC. They want them badly and NC State knows that. Even people in key positions at UNC have been moved in the last months. Guys that were pro BIG TEN guys have been replaced with pro SEC guys. From the Chancellor to a board member. The writing is kind of on the wall with what's going on. This was a huge power move, to get NC State into one of the power 2 conferences.
Great point, thank you!
It’s honestly brutal for UNC. But if they both land in SEC, it all works out.
yeah, there are a lot of things going on there in North Carolina and this was genius by NC State. Lets not forget that North Carolina was one of the schools with FSU and Clemson (I think both end up in the BIG TEN) that voted no on expansion. Changes in leadership and who knows what kind of deals are taking place by third parties involved. The UNC Board and Chancellor are now all pro SEC. Certainly the academic culture and staff fit the BIG TEN, this is not expansion from ten years ago anymore. The ACC is the last great gold rush for the powers that are the BIG TEN and SEC. They could do what they want. The two could even break away if they wanted after the next round of expansion and my guess is the BIG would love to start a new league with the SEC. Kind of like a pro style model with how the NFL is. That would force the hand of Notre Dame to join. I don't think it goes that far right now. But there is something to thank about here. ESPN can opt out in 2027 of the ACC media deal. Instead of paying for schools they don't care about, they could send four to the SEC and just pay for those 4 schools. I think there could be a battle for Miami, as funny as that sounds if it happens. The question would be, would ESPN want UNC/NCState(forced to take because of this) Virginia, and Miami? We know FOX has said they would like Miami in the BIG TEN. Stay tuned!@@CFBAddiction
UNC/Kentucky replacing UNC/Duke rivalry? That's a big question here, what happens to Duke? Certainly you would think UNC and Duke would certainly schedule one another for a game still. @@CFBAddiction
I'll challenge you on the assessment that the Board of Governors is made up of a majority NCSU grads. Show your data or I call BS.
You’re talking about the ACC and downplaying the fact that football is not the sport that drives branding for that conference. Overall I think Duke UNC and UVA are the biggest brands in the ACC if looking at all sports AND academics. FSU is not even the best football brand. I think Clemson and Miami might be. I know you’re new so you get a pass. 😅
Problem with ACC is everyone thinks they are SEC/B10 worthy. The POWER 2 will take them on in their own spare time.
Why should they hurry? With 16/18 teams already…greed will set in and beggars won’t be choosing!
The natural selections are NC/ ND going to the B10….and FSU/Clemson going to the SEC….but they have 3 problems.
1. ND doesn’t want to go to anyone….and could remain Independent….but that depends on the Playoff formula (tbd).
2. SEC doesn’t like FSU.…problematic….but likes NC and Va. (strategic fits in new states)
3. SEC already has schools in SC and Fla…which makes conflicts possible with existing members.
That leaves all the others fending for themselves….keeping their existing structure and adding teams as others leave
although with same money …or splitting up individually , seeking a Partner on their own ( Big East, B12, or AAC) ……… or merging with the best conference standing…the B12!
If their egos and hubris would get real…..the best move ( if Clemson , FSU, and NC and Va.are considering leaving and have offers)
Is to use their recent acquisitions to merge with the Big 12 and to create a 30 team conference in 3 divisions…keeping the Sanctity of the P12, B12, AAC intact thru 10 -12 team divisions….giving more power to negotiate with TV, gain nationwide 24/7 coverage…while regional divisions will help all other sports to compete economically and locally….and be the best Basketball conference in the Universe!
Call it the United Conference…with 3 Coast to Coast Divisions
The ACC East….11
Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburg, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State , Georgia Tech, Miami, UCF, Duke, Wake
The United Central….11
Louisville, Cinncinati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St. Okla St., TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tex Tech
The Pacific West…..9
California, Stanford, Utah, BYU, Wash St,. Oregon St. Colorado, Arizona, Ariz St. ,
Maybe add San Diego St, and Boise State…or UNLV /Fresno State.
This gets natural competitors and matches for football and all other sports!
Why not?? If ACC can only look long term and understand they need help to negotiate with TV.
Dissolving and merging negates contracts in existence and will force them to the negotiating table
when the B12 contract comes due! Keeps the remaining P12 and ACC remaining members in a Power 3 conference
competing against the Power 2 and ESPN !
And as a bonus…..the basketball conference can negotiate hard to possible add a Gonzaga, UConn , Villanova to drive the greatest BB conference on earth….which fills a lot of nationwide TV spots , controls many bowls, and can develop their own conference tourneys to easily gain access to the Playoffs and March Madness.
Got to have a plan …before you get planned by someone else!
The Acc isn't folding because FSU leaves. Fsu is making a mistake.
Obvious Miami hater
Guilty as charged. ☠️🤣 but on this issue, we work together 🤝
I think your rankings are way off! 1. UNC
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. Clemson
5. UVA
Jordan has a very powerful brand and pushes UNC to the top.
Plus UNC makes for a great whipping boy for the SEC like another Vandy
The problem with UNC is that people aren’t interested in watching them play football. They are middle of the pack in viewership in the ACC most years and ACC numbers aren’t good as a whole compared to B1G or SEC
1 Miami
2 FSU
3 Clemson
4 ???????
Miami is 20 years in the toilet. Go back to 2002…was UNC more valuable then? No. The fact that Miami has been down so long yet is still top 3-4 in the ACC is a sad statement on the conference.
And still the number 1 brand in the ACC... imagine when they start winning again.
@@jimmyjam5453no one believes Miami is the top brand besides Miami fans living in the 80’s, 90’s. Look up t.v numbers over the last decade
Facts
Trust me, Miami was NEVER below UNC lmao
Why? UNC is a much better brand. Miami can’t fill their rented stadium.
The U brand in football still has more weight than UNC.. only in basketball UNC holds more weight
Wish the state of Texas did this. F gov Abbott & UT.
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