I very much enjoyed this. Great questions and even better answers. This is not a common upgrade to an air cooled 911. Super cool bolt-on modification to this car. Love the torque numbers!
These are sensibIe modifications,19" wheels aside. Aesthetically and performance wise 18" are optimal. I wonder how many naysayers we would gather if this 993 had a RUF badge on.
Ive got a 993 in need of top-end rebuilt. I was considering doing something to increase my HP. It’s been remapped on the dyno and produces 294HP which is pretty good assuming 140K miles on the clock. I believe 3.8 conversion which may put me at 330-350HP range is around the same budget (20K) and gives you stock appearance and simplicity. Although I appreciate the work done here, excellent job!
Not a fan of forced induction really. I love the linear power band of N/A engines having grown up on early superbikes. What many don’t consider when looking at forced induction is the gas mileage, stress on the engine (with commensurate failures) and accelerated engine wear on it as well. You just can’t safely and legally use it on the street for more than a few seconds the vast majority of the time anyway Not being wealthy myself one of the many things that drew me to Porsche was the reliability and durability, with regular maintenance and WITHOUT abuse. Another was the balance of these cars as they come from the factory. Sure they can use a tweak here and there, but they are great cars as sold and thoroughly enjoyable. Lastly I appreciate the preservation mentality of many Porsche owners. It’s why I could buy a stock seven year old Boxster S in really good condition, and have zero problems, and do only a reasonable amount of maintenance after three years. To each his own I guess and the teenager in me still finds these interesting, but I’d rather get a 991.1-4S which is what I will do in a few years.
The supercharger is very linear. I have had mine on my 993 for 30k miles now. Trouble free. Completely linear and biggest increase is in the midrange actually. No lag - gradual increase with the rpm. It is a very different feel to turbocharging.
Supercharger is totally different than turbo. It's like N/A on STEROIDS, it's between N/A and electric car :P, you always have the torque and power starting from 1k rpm.
I guess I got one of the bad Porsches...my CPO 981 GT4 was in the shop for repairs 15+ times in the 3.5 years I had it. I never tracked it, and added no over revs. That said, "boost" isn't bad...Porsche does have turbo models. "Boost done wrong" (i.e. - not changing compression ratio, and running too much boost, among other missteps) can cause problems.
This logic of "forced induction will have accelerated engine wear" comes from a pretty strange place in my opinion. A 996 Turbo if anything is more reliable than a 996 Carrera. Simply dividing the world into "reliable N/A" and "unreliable FI" ignores almost everything there is to engine design. And modern engines are downsized turbocharged because it improves fuel economy when done correctly. Any time an engine pulls intake manifold vacuum it is losing efficiency to pumping loss. That's why the 991.2 Carrera went to a 3L turbo H6.
@@DOAHunt3r The 996 non Turbo/GT3/GT2 have open deck, overheating, bore scoring, egg shaped cylinder, wet sumped, IMS POS of an engine, they have nothing in common apart of M96 code as a prefix.
Thanks for this video. I really like the “one mile review” format and loved the review that you did of the 993 Turbo. Great idea to do a review in the same format of a uniquely modified car and compare it to a stock Turbo of the same generation.
My 964 C4 is missing two features which would make it the ultimate car for me: more power and an adaptive suspension. I would love to have these mods on my car. That and a Sportomatic for the ultimate "retro" 992 (boosted, active suspension, two pedal manual)...
Great looking 993, but to be honest, a 993 works the best with maximum 19" dia wheels (18" inch wheels minimum), and on the street, with Kumho V70A and the KW III Suspension... Just try, and tell me that's not true 👍 You can see it through the back window, like the rear of this beautiful car is bouncing and hopping like a bunny, all because of the to big wheels. When the Toyo reaches his temperature window, the profile will become kinda smear but still sticky and full grip, but you'll drive a full slick! Try it😉👍
4lbs? If the Mezger is good for 600hp then you have to wonder why it’s not at 10lbs. Seems compelling but to go to all that trouble would want to turn up the wick a bit more. Those windshield wipers half way up the glass are disturbing.
DSC Sport is the company that makes the coil-overs. Unfortunately the 964 version is not listed on the website, but if it's comparable to the coil-over systems for the other cars, they probably start above $7,000.
Du, du, duda, dumb question. No question, yes you should buy. Remember how Dr. Porsche made the first production supercharged Mercedes 🤔 SSK? Small track boost is awesome, but don't believe me, I only had a supercharged 1980 911SC. Paxton system from superchargers of knoxville. Proof of my claim is in my profile video catalog. Also more people should supercharge their 911's imo.
Any aftermarket part not approved by CARB is illegal to use on the road in California. Talk to TPC Racing and they may have some advice or experience working with customers who live in California.
Not without a CARB EO. This may be able to pass through the EO process but it will cost 5-10k USD assuming nothing goes wrong and you DIY as much as possible.
Depends on what you need to do to get those 80hp...global parts shortages and price increases not helping. But yeah, $20k for bolt on kit, "with a lot of stock parts left not upgraded", is a bit much.
Very ridiculous. I spent $10K on my Cayman S to get 30 WHP, but it now sounds much better than stock. That in addition to the suspension modifications I've made, I suspect it's really close to the performance of a 981 GT4 for $30K less all in. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but I'm very pleased with the results nonetheless.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica $30k for DeMan 4.5...for one of the applicable cars of course. For me, its not the "Price to performance" gain that an issue, as much as its the "cost of the charger kit to number of pieces it contains"...or more importantly, "does not contain".
@@PorscheClubofAmerica Good point. I'm not familiar with the 993. How much for the ECU piggyback alone, and is it possible to upgrade the injectors? If so, a turbo might yield more power if the motor can handle good boost. Personally, the supercharger is much more interesting. I've seen a Cayman turbo kit for $9K, but could a 993 turbo conversion be done less than $20K including labor and tune?
well, this is the first mod I am not really a fan of. Suspension is fine, but forced induction is big no for me. Character is immediatelly lost. Also the big touch screen at interior looks so bad as well as the wheels. But it`s up to an owner, right? :)
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I very much enjoyed this. Great questions and even better answers. This is not a common upgrade to an air cooled 911. Super cool bolt-on modification to this car. Love the torque numbers!
Thanks for watching!
I think it's cool. Not a very common thing and I enjoy seeing people share the different things they have done to the cars.
These are sensibIe modifications,19" wheels aside. Aesthetically and performance wise 18" are optimal. I wonder how many naysayers we would gather if this 993 had a RUF badge on.
Good point.
Agree. Those 19" wheels are TOO big.
Ive got a 993 in need of top-end rebuilt. I was considering doing something to increase my HP. It’s been remapped on the dyno and produces 294HP which is pretty good assuming 140K miles on the clock. I believe 3.8 conversion which may put me at 330-350HP range is around the same budget (20K) and gives you stock appearance and simplicity. Although I appreciate the work done here, excellent job!
There is a 4 valve head mod available for the air/oil cooled engines that can rev to 12K RPMs, check it out
@@_que does it require watercooling for cylinder heads like in 959? will definitely check it out! Many thanks
I'm in the same boat but it seems like the budget needs to be much higher to achieve that HP. Wish it was easier!
Not a fan of forced induction really. I love the linear power band of N/A engines having grown up on early superbikes.
What many don’t consider when looking at forced induction is the gas mileage, stress on the engine (with commensurate failures) and accelerated engine wear on it as well.
You just can’t safely and legally use it on the street for more than a few seconds the vast majority of the time anyway
Not being wealthy myself one of the many things that drew me to Porsche was the reliability and durability, with regular maintenance and WITHOUT abuse.
Another was the balance of these cars as they come from the factory. Sure they can use a tweak here and there, but they are great cars as sold and thoroughly enjoyable.
Lastly I appreciate the preservation mentality of many Porsche owners. It’s why I could buy a stock seven year old Boxster S in really good condition, and have zero problems, and do only a reasonable amount of maintenance after three years.
To each his own I guess and the teenager in me still finds these interesting, but I’d rather get a 991.1-4S which is what I will do in a few years.
The supercharger is very linear. I have had mine on my 993 for 30k miles now. Trouble free. Completely linear and biggest increase is in the midrange actually. No lag - gradual increase with the rpm. It is a very different feel to turbocharging.
Supercharger is totally different than turbo. It's like N/A on STEROIDS, it's between N/A and electric car :P, you always have the torque and power starting from 1k rpm.
I guess I got one of the bad Porsches...my CPO 981 GT4 was in the shop for repairs 15+ times in the 3.5 years I had it. I never tracked it, and added no over revs. That said, "boost" isn't bad...Porsche does have turbo models. "Boost done wrong" (i.e. - not changing compression ratio, and running too much boost, among other missteps) can cause problems.
This logic of "forced induction will have accelerated engine wear" comes from a pretty strange place in my opinion. A 996 Turbo if anything is more reliable than a 996 Carrera. Simply dividing the world into "reliable N/A" and "unreliable FI" ignores almost everything there is to engine design. And modern engines are downsized turbocharged because it improves fuel economy when done correctly. Any time an engine pulls intake manifold vacuum it is losing efficiency to pumping loss. That's why the 991.2 Carrera went to a 3L turbo H6.
@@DOAHunt3r The 996 non Turbo/GT3/GT2 have open deck, overheating, bore scoring, egg shaped cylinder, wet sumped, IMS POS of an engine, they have nothing in common apart of M96 code as a prefix.
Thanks for this video. I really like the “one mile review” format and loved the review that you did of the 993 Turbo. Great idea to do a review in the same format of a uniquely modified car and compare it to a stock Turbo of the same generation.
Glad you liked it!
Awesome Vu! What a great mod! Cool shoes! Where did you get them?
Thanks! They are Adidas Superstars. Picked them up at a local store.
My 964 C4 is missing two features which would make it the ultimate car for me: more power and an adaptive suspension. I would love to have these mods on my car. That and a Sportomatic for the ultimate "retro" 992 (boosted, active suspension, two pedal manual)...
I was convinced until I heard the price. Wasn't expecting that much for the supercharger
Beautiful! And in Black!! 🔥🔥🔥
We agree!
Great looking 993, but to be honest, a 993 works the best with maximum 19" dia wheels (18" inch wheels minimum), and on the street, with Kumho V70A and the KW III Suspension... Just try, and tell me that's not true 👍 You can see it through the back window, like the rear of this beautiful car is bouncing and hopping like a bunny, all because of the to big wheels. When the Toyo reaches his temperature window, the profile will become kinda smear but still sticky and full grip, but you'll drive a full slick! Try it😉👍
4lbs? If the Mezger is good for 600hp then you have to wonder why it’s not at 10lbs. Seems compelling but to go to all that trouble would want to turn up the wick a bit more.
Those windshield wipers half way up the glass are disturbing.
It's probably due to the stock injectors and piggyback ECU. Not everybody wants and/or wants to deal with 600hp.
I didn’t say turn it up to 600 but maybe a bit more than what 4lbs is delivering
compression ratio?
@@MegaNardman
@@MegaNardman Bingo! I was wondering how this would work with stock injectors. Now we know.
Beautiful build!
It really is!
What is the cost of the coil overs ?
DSC Sport is the company that makes the coil-overs. Unfortunately the 964 version is not listed on the website, but if it's comparable to the coil-over systems for the other cars, they probably start above $7,000.
These are sensible mods on a 993. The wheels? Trade them for a set of the 997 Fuchs used on the Speedster.
We'd agree!
Will we see it at unStock?😊
Unfortunately it's an east coast car. But it would be perfect for ünStock.
Du, du, duda, dumb question.
No question, yes you should buy.
Remember how Dr. Porsche made the first production supercharged Mercedes 🤔 SSK?
Small track boost is awesome, but don't believe me, I only had a supercharged 1980 911SC. Paxton system from superchargers of knoxville.
Proof of my claim is in my profile video catalog. Also more people should supercharge their 911's imo.
Thanks for watching!
Is the supercharger modification legal for a California registered 993?
Any aftermarket part not approved by CARB is illegal to use on the road in California. Talk to TPC Racing and they may have some advice or experience working with customers who live in California.
Not without a CARB EO. This may be able to pass through the EO process but it will cost 5-10k USD assuming nothing goes wrong and you DIY as much as possible.
The best part of this supercharger is that you can close the engine lid and not have to install an ugly big wing!
They stop talking on suspension at 5:20
Thanks for putting the time stamp.
20 grand for an 80hp gain is ridiculous!!!
Depends on what you need to do to get those 80hp...global parts shortages and price increases not helping. But yeah, $20k for bolt on kit, "with a lot of stock parts left not upgraded", is a bit much.
Very ridiculous. I spent $10K on my Cayman S to get 30 WHP, but it now sounds much better than stock. That in addition to the suspension modifications I've made, I suspect it's really close to the performance of a 981 GT4 for $30K less all in. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but I'm very pleased with the results nonetheless.
How much would you expect to pay for dyno proven 80 hp? We'd love to hear an alternative solution.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica $30k for DeMan 4.5...for one of the applicable cars of course. For me, its not the "Price to performance" gain that an issue, as much as its the "cost of the charger kit to number of pieces it contains"...or more importantly, "does not contain".
@@PorscheClubofAmerica Good point. I'm not familiar with the 993. How much for the ECU piggyback alone, and is it possible to upgrade the injectors? If so, a turbo might yield more power if the motor can handle good boost. Personally, the supercharger is much more interesting. I've seen a Cayman turbo kit for $9K, but could a 993 turbo conversion be done less than $20K including labor and tune?
I don’t have Porsche 😢
Hopefully there is one in your future!
Hubba hubba.
Indeed!
I don't get how testing the track setting on the street at legal speeds has any relevance.
Just to feel the difference compared to the other modes.
Why?
Why not? ;)
Not my jam!
To each their own. Thanks for watching!
well, this is the first mod I am not really a fan of. Suspension is fine, but forced induction is big no for me. Character is immediatelly lost. Also the big touch screen at interior looks so bad as well as the wheels. But it`s up to an owner, right? :)
We can tell you it was fun to drive.
I would do horrible horrible things for that 993, or any 993 really….
Why not just buy a new corvette or something. I have a 993 I’m not doing this.
It's not for everyone, but boy was it fun to drive.