The truth about freshwater clams mussels
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Keeping the water clear is relatively easy in aquaponics, we generally keep the fish tank covered to avoid direct sun exposition.
However, some of you are maybe converting ornamental ponds into aquaponics. If those ponds are directly exposed to sun rays, some microalgae will probably develop. Algae are not a problem for the fish and are a component of the ecosystem but they will turn the water green which is not very convenient to see the fish.
An alternative to covering the tanks is to use natural filters such as freshwater clams to regulate the algae population. Those little molluscs are working very well and filter a significative volume of water per hour (from 24 to 60 litres per day depending on species). Freshwater mussels are very interesting animals. There are hundreds of species of freshwater mussels, some of them are fixed to a substrate (rocks, roots…) thanks to a byssus (strings) and others are scrawling thanks to a “tongue” or “foot”. They are very interesting to observe in the bottom of the fish tank. You may wonder, “Will I be able to grow and eat them?” most freshwater mussels are not edible. Some of them are able to produce pearls but you must be an expert in order to produce such jowels. You may also wonder “Will I be able to breed freshwater mussels in my aquaponics tank?” It really depends on the species you are growing. Most bivalve molluscs are releasing their gametes (sperm and ovules) in the water. When a spermatozoid meet an ovule they form an egg that will give birth to a swimming larvae. Larvae generally stay in the swimming stage for days or weeks before fixing to an object. If is very easy to understand that in those conditions, even if sperm and ovules meet in a fish tank, the eggs or larvae will eventually be sucked by the water plant and finish in the flood and drain grow-bed where it would have very low chances to survive. Most freshwater mussels are actually not following this specific cycle. The males are releasing the sperm into the water but the females are keeping the ovules in their body and when they filter the water, the sperm of the males can fecund the ovules. They are therefore able to get eggs and release perfect larvae in the water. Those larvae are very specific. Unlike most other saltwater bivalves, the freshwater mussel larvae will find a fish and fix themselves on the fins or gills of the fish. We call those larvae “glochidia”. At this stage they are a parasite for the fish. Most of the time it doesn’t affect the fish too much but watch out as a high density of glochidia could weaken the fish. Each species of freshwater mussels (Anodonta spp, Quarula spp, Margaritifera spp …) can use restricted species of fish to host their glochidia. In aquaponics you will need to have compatible fish with the species of mussels you want to breed. If you succeed in this task please leave a comment and let the community know about it :)
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The truth about freshwater clams mussels: • The truth about freshw...
*Will you get freshwater clams for your aquaponics system?*
I don't want mussels to get on my fishes muscles.
Yeah I can understand that 😉
I'm not sure why I'm here since I don't eat mussels, have no interest in growing them,and dont have my aquaponics system set up yet anyways, but very informative video. Thank you
I’m thinking of putting some in my canister pump💯
Do you know how many of these are needed to reproduce? I want to keep them with goldfsih but I dont want the parasitic young
Am I the only one that couldn't stop staring at his knees the whole time? I'm too hiigh for this right now.
Lol, Yeah I might not be the best cameraman :)
Fresh water Clams are also eatable but you cannot just eat it raw like sea clams,first you have to boil it in low flame and after boiling it few minutes than you can cook it with spices or you can simply fry with some herbs or little spice it'll be tasty.. Thank You 👍
Giving me ideas 💡 😌
what are the foods that they eat?, I mean how to feed them?
Useful tip for everyone to avoid the releasing of gametes. Clams and mussels usually requires warmer waters than normal to begin the breeding process. By keeping the temperature of the water low you can take advantage of the filter ability without triggering their multiplication. You can also use this knowledge to make more clams though.
Thanks for the info!
Good dam sheesh this is so useful info thanks a lot
how low we talking?
Very well done vid, know what I’m doing now thanks very much
My Granny used to have these in her pond. Good memories.
That was extremely interesting... thanks for the upload
I used to eat these as a kid when I went camping....good bush tucker
Great! thanks andrew. Are you growing some freshwater mussels ATM?
@@AquaponicsRevolution not at the moment, but I have seen a large number in a local lake and do plan to collect a few. I am in NSW and currently growing tandanis catfish in my system
I'm eating a bowl full now
Thank you!
Very helpful. Thanks
i found some of them in one river,cool info
Yeah Johny, they like "muddy" areas. generally when you find one you find hundreds of them :)
This was an amazing video, and I love how you made it simple, but to the point, as well as covering many topics. I do have one question though, in general, how do you know when your clams are reproducing?
Hi The Plant Hobbyist. Thanks for the nice comment..
It depends on the species but generally when one animal start releasing gammets into the water, it induce the others. The first may be due to photoperiod and temperature change.
Cheers :)
Their stomach gets big!,
Thank you for the information 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
My Pleasure Nick, are you keeping some in your aquaponics system?
Cheers
What is the proper PH for freshwater Muscles? Mine aren't doing well, and I can't find the info online!...
Nice info
Hi, thanks for another great video and information. Do you know if the mussels can be mixed with marron / yabbies? Or will the marron crush the mussels shell for food?
I'm going to find out lol. Putting one in my redclaw tank
I know this has been up for awhile, but I wanted to say you are very helpful. I want to use these as an additional filtration system in my aquarium, a natural one. If you are still out there, is it okay to just lay them on top of the substrate? Thank you for such a comprehensive coverage. The only issue for clams in fish tanks, is that the larvae may attach to the gills and cause whirling disease which will kill your fish.
Are there live bearing clams? I am just watching another video and a youngster is talking about live bearing clams. Thanks again!
It doesn’t matter where you lay them, they can burrow and move by themselves.
get pea clams, they don't go through the parasitic larval stage, just produce live miniatures of themself.
Jonathan, would it be possible to know when clams are reproducing so you can isolate them for a couple of weeks and avoid the fish having to get stressed by them? Or is there a way to keep the mussels/clams in an independent tank connected to the aquaponic setup so they filter the water but they don't interact with fish in the main tank?
By the way, congratulations on the video. It's really clear and full of experience/knowledge. Thanks!
Hello Moreno. Thanks for your question. Please keep in mind that every species of mollusk has his own life cycle and can be slightly different from this general video. Most of the time the larvae need a species of fish to develop so if you want to reproduce them you need fish to complete the cycle. Therefore you will not be able to reproduce them in an insulated tank.
If you just want to grow them then yes you can keep them in a special tank connected to the general aquaponics system but with filters on the returning water.
Cheers
Jonathan :)
Thank you so much, Jonathan. As always, your wise answers are a treasure. Thank you!
Thanks to you Moreno , very good question that will help the community 😉👍
Hi, thanks for the video it’s been really helpful for me. I want to ask you a question: you’ve talked about how the proportion of fish vs mussels should be something to take into consideration, but how about if instead of fish my tank has shrimp on it how may affect the interaction between those two species?
Good question Xav, I don't believe the larvae would fix on crustaceans but I am not 100% sure.
i live in the u.s Philadelphia ,pa. everyone who eats shell fish , usually eat them steamed or boiled by the dozens.
Thanks Wok! Have you tried it? Cheers
Wok Gees as Lehigh valley’s resident....it’s damn expensive 😂 but I usually like mine steamed and enjoy it with hot sauce
Hey Aquap' I'm Filipino, fresh water Mussels are edible, okay: Sautee chopped ginger, garlic, and onion in 2 tablespoon cooking oil; then put water; then put to boil, then put the mussels (washed well,), add salt and pepper, and leaves of pepper: ENJOY as "Mussel Soup!" GOD bless! 😋😋👏👏👍👍🌈🌈🙌🙌
Thanks for the tips!
I'm thinking of getting a Swan mussel they can handle low temperatures, and can get up to 25cm big but usually stay around 10 to 15cm but even then they can filter out as much as 10L of water a day helps a tiny bit in my low tech cold water aquarium and because of how big they get you could get just one so I guess that means no breeding and no larvae?
Yes well done
Hey mate. Question: I’m just west of Melbourne. I have a 3 month old Aquaponics system I’m starting to get algae at the moment so I bought 2 fresh water mussels. The issue is the water temperature of the tank is between 10-15°C do mussels need a certain temperature to thrive and stay alive. I’m worried if the temperature drops too much they’ll die
We have them in our lake here and we have winters so I'm sure they'd be okay
Hi, where in Melbourne did you buy you mussels? I have some native ones but was hoping to get some large ones
Specifically which species of Mussel reproduces inside the animal?
This is my favourite food of all time, you cannot eat it raw like oyster but you have to cook it for 20 to 30 minutes if not then u can have stomach ache .
Hey bro you can eat them just not raw and you have to make sure that they are well done and they can taste good just haven to put them in seasonings and fry them with some butter
Thanks Nicolas, where are you from?
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I live in South Africa and I so wish we had freshwater molluscs or a variety of species available. we have absolutely nothing . I want to introduce them to my wetland filter and my koi pond for natural filtration but I guess I'll have to make alternative plans if I ever visit Usa or EU again and find out what can be done if you fly out to keep them alive and maybe ship them if it would be allowed
Hi Erich,
Have you done your research? You may be able to find local ones. Importing species is rarely a good idea and can unfortunately lead to terrible consequences...
Ah enfin quelqu'un qui parle français
for a french guy to say he dosen't like the taste of mussels...... unfortunate for you, more for those who eat and benifit from it. more power to you
Please send me some freshwater mussels..i really want to have it in my system..in malaysia we use suckermouth catfish in aquarium to do the cleaning
Where can I get some? From your website?
Hi Vivian, Thanks for your message. You can probably find some from your local lakes and dams.
Kind regards,
Jonathan
Can I Use Large Shells For Betta Nano Aquarium.
Please reply bro , I Brought an expensive Large shell from a shop but after that when I search in google and TH-cam , some are saying it is not advisable. bro is it safe for my betta?
Please reply bro 🙏
Most shells will slowly increase the pH. That is the only limitation I can think off.
If you decide to add the shell in the tank please check your pH regularly.
Come to Sabah, Malaysia. Enjoy these freshwater clams or the local calls it as LOKAN, grilled and eaten with sambal. You wont regret it. I cut my leg if the taste was bad.
Thanks for the invite :)
Hello.which area in Sabah?
Kota Kinabalu. Then go to Salut area. There's a lot of stalls serving this lokan bakar. Grilled wild boar also👍👍
How long do fresh water clams live for? I want to use them as natural filters
They can live for a while (depending on species). They will consume algae and keep your water clear but will not necessary be efficient to filter some other water particles.
Where are you located??
Hii there can i know the survival temperature of the babay mussels (gichodia) and aalso adul mussel temperature.... Plz its very help full to me
Please do some research on the species you are growing, there are dozens of different freshwater mussel species with different temperature requirements
Ok thanx but ihad refer thia to breeds Cristaria Plicata and Hyriopsis cumingii
Can the larva fix on ppl or animals swimming in the water?
If they are not aquatic animals the larvae will die.
I heard the clam larve latch on the gills of fish and it can be dangerous. Is that true?
Yes if the density is too large it can be a problem
Are they edible
How would these go in long necked turtle tank? I’m worried they may impact my turtle’s health. I wanted to add to the natural filtration process so I bought one today but wasn’t aware of the parasite situation. At the moment it is in a planted tank that doesn’t have a filter
Hi Cass it will probably be ok, Is it an outdoor tank?
Melbourne Aquaponics it's an indoor 100L tank but it's like a really enclosed outdoor room so it gets similar temperatures but not exposed to the elements directly if that makes sense
Do you sell mussels im interested in using 1 for my 5 gallon fish tank.
HI CJ, I don't offer them but you will be able to find some in dams around Melbourne.
Cheers
I'm working on mobilizing a farm system to try and combine the farm itself with your crop delivery. But I've run into a snag when it comes to trying for the implementation of aquaponics, which I feel to be, overall, a more robust and durable system through its diversity. but I don't feel fish are an appropriate biological reactor for a system that's going to have to travel over highways and city streets and perhaps even the odd dirt road so I've been seeking alternatives. I want to make the system as wide as possible; provide the greatest possible variety of biological reactors so the grower has room to adjust and reconstitute the system as appropriate to local environment. I've been entertaining chickens, rabbits and clams as possible options.
Each of these options comes with its own, unique set of complications, though which will limit the flexibility of the rest of the system due to differences in Ph requirements, tolerances to malefactor presence, etc. So it's best to have as many options as possible to counter balance the challenges each of the above alternatives brings with it into the system.
Do you know of any forms of aquaponic viable life that can supplement nutrient production with an efficiency comparable to fish?
Or, Alternatively; Are there any fish you can think of that would be tolerant of being moved around in a vehicle and still thrive? I don't know much about bottom feeders, but being their tendency to hang out near the bottom of the water column where pressures, temperatures, and light gradients are all at higher extremes, that they might be ok with the mobile life.
Also clams are basically terrifying.
mm yes it is a challenge, duck could be great but they are warm blood animals so watch out for bacterias such as ecoli...
keep us posted.
Cheers
Jonathan
@@AquaponicsRevolution
Will do and thanks for the reply! I'll have to look into duck and see if there's a reliable way to prevent e.coli bacterial spread as you warned me about. Already I can see the failure point would likely be the users.
I can filter all I want, but if I spread e.coli by handling the ducks and then not sterilizing well enough I'll face some serious FDA problems.
@@iamscoutstfu i thought i was the only one on this planet crazy enough to wonder about putting up a farm within an enclosed 40'ft container, whilst another 40'ft container contains all of our glamping equipment, while we drive from city to city, country to country, worldwide, visiting volunteer and charity sites doing volunteer work for gasoline, and fishing sites to supplement our food. is this what youre trying to do as well???
@@thekaizer666
No, but thats an amazing idea!
I actually want to use them to bring mobile farms to areas where famine strikes.
Lots of times it's because of some environmental hazard that makes it impossible to farm or, impossible to deliver the food to the right people because guarding all that farmland is impossible.
But not if your farm is in a rack of four containers on the back of a military truck surrounded by NATO.
We could line those up and feed a city with healthy, nutritious food that couldn't be taken from them and would take up the space of an airfield.
You can cross train almost anyone to do basic farm work, and to follow a schedule for nutrients, lights, ph checking, etc. This is all stuff an average infantryman could easily do .
It's amazing that we have such similar ideas, though. Have started on your project, yet?
@@iamscoutstfu hahaha! so your idea is INDEED similarly as crazy as mine!
i havent started on anything, even though ive been "working on it" for years - every time i try to recruit people, everyone just thinks the idea belongs in a circus or something.
so currently im applying the principles of what ive learnt about our vehicular mobile farms, into something more appealing i.e. building an offgrid intentional community ecovillage built on super-cheap barren wasteland in south america, or south asia, where the crops and livestock are done in similar, high-intensity, compact integrated ECOponics (meaning more than just fish and plants, probably clams). (also ducks, rabbits, sheep.)
and once that stabilizes, introduce the vehicular mobile farm as a convoy so that residents can have a grand roadtrip doing volunteer work everywhere (like mentioned) to satisfy their needs for holidays and trips.
im currently just one single lone crazy mad-"scientist" but i do plan to begin recruitment in 2021 - spend the next 2 years recruiting the right experts, discussions, planning, research etc while covid dies down, and once travel restrictions is lifted, we'd put the plans into action.
im on /sidzeno on facebook, thats where i chat mostly, what baout you?
Love to eat them😊
😜
Are freshwater clam and mussels samething? SE asia, they eat freshwater clam all the time.
Hi Cambo, there are plenty of freshwater clam/mussels species. You should check the scientific name if you want to compare them 😉
Ok good, but plz make your next video on the problems that seaweeds have to cope wih 😄
Do you mean microalgae? :)
Very nice information easy to understand video and on the point talk I liked the most thx very much and keep it up 👍
Can I put them in a separate box to act as a filter tank haha
You can. depending on the species the larvae might still find their way to the fish :)
I found a freshwater clam in a lake. His name is Jim Lake Jr. Jr.
#FreshwaterMusselsInAquacultureSafetyMeasures
People complain if a dead one is buried and you don’t notice. The following ammonia spike kills your fish. Idea: Keep them in a bowl with sand. Every day empty sand, underwater, into another bowl. Take out the clams and set them all onto the sand. Later if one is still not buried put it into a quarantine tank. Give it a second or third chance, maybe it was asleep? If you have predator fish in the same tank put a net over the bowl. You could keep them in their own tank, but perhaps your grow out tank has the most algae for them to eat. Engineering challenge: Automate this check with a cheaper price tag than thermal imaging technology.
You read my mind!! That's kinda my plan to make a little home for them with in my tank 😊
MAN I LOVE TO EAT THEM
The AL GE
The mussel is already dizzy... 😁😁😁
Thanks Shemae :)
Fresh water clams are very eatable? You just have to prepare them correctly.
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So mussel are 🌈
Farmed mussels can not move can not breed but fresh water wild can do.
Samridh Adhikari, yeah the filtration and low density of algae doesn’t help but you can still breed some in certain conditions. Have you started Aquaponics yet? Cheers :)
Can I use these to act as a filter in my tank?
@@phobull it will help to filter micro algae but it will not do any biological filtration. Is it an outdoor tank?
I'm searching a person who can supply to me clam shell in china
Good luck with this :)
Dont over-complicate your system
They are totally edible for people who like clams, oysters, or other filter shells. I eat mussels all the time either atore bought or fresh caught. Soak em in vinegar amd water to make them release sandy crap, then steam, boil, grill, or bake them. Good protein, great with pasta, or alone with garlic butter and/or lemon. But again, if you dont like the texture of clams, ypu wont like these.
Ok thanks, which species are you referring to exactly?
I cant read these comments, without putting on an éavy french accent....
Hi, thanks for another great video and information. Do you know if the mussels can be mixed with marron / yabbies? Or will the marron crush the mussels shell for food?
Hi Malcolm! Thanks for your feedback. Most crustacean are going well with adult freshwater clams but will be able to go through the smallest ones. Are you growing marrons? For marrons it’s a bit different, they become very big and strong. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were able to go through the shell of youth freshwater mussels. Keep us posted 😉
This is my favourite food of all time, you cannot eat it raw like oyster but you have to cook it for 20 to 30 minutes if not then u can have stomach ache .
OK thanks