i wonder if there's any chance these videos are going to lead to an actual shift in the flags in the future now that it's seemingly been gaining traction and becoming more collaborative lol
Doubt it, there's a saying in progressing "one standard + one standard = three standards" I'm hopeful the aro one takes off though, that one has really nice symbolism
One thing that still wasn't commented on here was the way the Aro flag and Ace flag are made to merge together into the Aroace flag. That's why I tend to lean towards the five stripe version of the asexual flag, with two purples, matching both the Aro flag... and the Aroace flag. Honestly I was surprised the Ace flag DOESN'T just take the lower components of the Aroace flag lol.
I think the aroace flag is ok as the sunset version, because if you didn’t know, there is a version of the aroace flag that uses two tones of blue at the bottom, one white stripe, and two tones of yellow at the top (yellow or orange)
@@DaSilverIngot Totally! I'm aroace myself and I like messing around with the hues on the sunset version. Although.. I greatly dislike changes made to either the ace or aro flag individually. The vibes are thrown off and I'm not going to lie they look godawful ugly. The aromantic flag is one of my favorites for how aesthetically appealing it looks but trying to make either of them match each other completely ruins what makes the other one so iconic.
@@DaSilverIngoti love the sunset version and i think its fine on its own, but why does it have nothing to do with the aro and ace flags? If i saw it between all the pride flags without prior knowlage i would have guess that its the gay men flag, the sunset motif but with blues would have been the perfact complementor to the lesbian flag. I am so conflicted
@@fruity4820 The sunset aroace flag was actually designed purposefully to be visually distinct from the aro and ace flags, to represent aroace as a complete identity in and of itself and not just a mashup of aromantic and asexual. Differentiated conceptions of attraction don’t serve some aroaces in the way it does for alloaces or alloaros, and I think that’s totally fair to them! So I think it’s nice that all sorts of aspecs have a flag that represents them in a way that feels true to them :)
@@somethingclever5exactly I know it's the flag I use for myself and I even got a pride tattoo using it and it helps to open the dialog to those who are genuinely curious.
As a cishet ally that has a growing interest in flag design, I look forward to seeing what the queer community comes up with in the (hopefully near) future. Country flags change all the time, and I always felt like a lot of these flags were lacking in cohesion and consistency. Both of these videos were a great watch!
what i love about the most recent polyamory flag (the one in bottem left at 8:00) is that you can put the white triangle with heart on any flag without getting in the way of anything too much and having the combined flag
Totally agreed! My eye was immediately drawn towards it. Even though I really love the colour hues and specific symbol for the top right on that screen, the symbol itself will definitely be lost or indiscernible at a glance from a distance. I also like the lower left flag’s asymmetric chevron; it adds a nice flair to the flag in both vertical and horizontal orientations, and it’d feel quite distinct amongst other pride flags in every original or edited form in this video, especially all the symmetrical ones (even if those are the most easily visually appealing).
I agree! You can even swap out the symbol, just the asymmetric chevron is enough. And the fact that the infinity heart is not an exclusively polyamorous symbol really is a big flaw in the other two new flags.
Tbh I think that making the flags more modular as a whole could be an interesting idea. You could end up with a flag that describes every facet of your identity while still being legible to others
Another advantage of the five-stripe ace flag is that it matches all the other five-stripe flags, like I sometimes see ace lesbians using that version so that the two flags match up side-by-side (and I see a lot of trans lesbians picking the five-stripe version of the lesbian flag for the same reason). I think it's nice to have multiple versions where possible, so that any two flags can be made to match like that
nice to know the SAM (split attraction model) applies to non-aro and/or ace people like me - a lesbiromantic asexual sounds like an alien species but it's just your friend!
Okay that new genderfluid flag looks amazing! It's a little busy with the 9 wavy lines and the dragon but I don't care. It looks too good. Also I definetly think the aro flag having only 4 stripes makes a lot more sense than 5. Great changes!
@@lav-kitty yeah, like unironically, other than the rainbow flag meant to represent all of us, Genderfluid is pretty much the only one that could get away with being a Graphic Design Disaster lol
I feel like the flags already kind of have a shared language in the horizontal stripes and the unique set of colors the flags gravitate to. like how flags of countries tend not to use pink, purple, and gray as much as pride flags do, and I feel like there's probably a difference in how common certain colors are in pride flags vs. country flags (like how red is super common in countries but super rare in pride flags). I feel like generally people can develop an eye for discerning between the two. but I do like the idea of putting symbols on the flags! that would be fun, seeing what symbols each group comes up with
I'm not much into pride flags because of some personal issues, but, in my mere opinion, I don't think that is too much of a theme because, even though the colors are distinct, they are also in a pretty regular form of republican-ish countries, thus making them more plain and related to those. Although I think that the flags themselves having that break with tradition in colors is both a result of being made by and to queer people, and a statement of rupture, so it is great already. But to continue in that theme of rupture, the flags could use more diverse designs, as: Offset and uncommon partitions (as Portugal and Seychelles flags, as well piles, gyrons, etc.) Uncommon charges (as Brazil lozenge, old lesbian flag triangle, stylised letters, *dragons,* arms, hands, clothing, etc.) Different edges (wavy, indented, emblatted, invected, bevilled, even putting a shape as line, as trefly, which is an line as a trefoil) There are a ton of symbolism through the forms also that could be explored in pride flags rather than color.
Really gave the impression that you read the same comments I did! I can't help but internally shout "MORTAL KOMBAT!" when I see the dragon designs. Great idea.
As a genderfluid person, literally every one of your flag variations is miles better!! I've always kind of disliked the flag, but i absolutely LOVE the final product and if THAT was the genderfluid flag, i would put it on everything ever. Amazing.
LITERALLY I kinda wish there was a version that there was a 7 stripe variation like the nonbinary flag from this series but with the purples changed to blue on one side and pink on the other and then changing the yellow to purple and making *that* wavy-- I'd LOVE something like that
For the longest time I really thought the aromantic flag was actually the design in this video. I drew it like that and I even made a physical flag of it (with ace flag next to it)
Considering symbols and stuff, adding a cute/cartoon shark to the transgender flag sounds like an ineresting idea with the whole ordeal with the blahaj and trans people.
I think the excessive number of stripes, particularly two adjacent stripes with two shades of the same colour, in many of these are an artifact of the flags being conceived and often only existing in a digital form (or perhaps hand drawn, particularly in the early days) and not prototyped as an actual fabric flag. Because perfectly accurate flags in digital form looks kind of boring, flags are really meant to be flapping in the wind, that's why conventional "rules" for a good flag in vexillology emphasises simplicity so much because it's supposed to be distinct even when it's hanging limply in a gentle breeze. It probably would be best if the flags were designed to be as simple as possible with few stripes and simple shapes, but that online representations were made with the flat solid colours being represented by gradients, and the flag as a whole being very subtly made a bit wavy. Also on screen slightly desaturated colours look better, while for print you want strong saturated colours.
Printed flags use the pantone (or similar system) color model and digital flags use RGB. So really there should just be 2 sets of colors for each flag, one for print and one for digital. In my opinion they should be designed for print first and the RGB colors should just be approximated so that they look similar (on a calibrated display) to how the print colors do in real life.
THANK YOU for mentioning how using different shades of the same colour is makes arts and crafts harder! I make posters and signs with spray paint and paint pens and I can't easily do flags like the lesbian, aromantic, etc flags because of difficulty finding shades!
i tried to make a lesbian bead bracelet in a pride park once, and ended up with red, orange, white, pink, and purple. i think using ajacent colors can work well, on its own it looked accurate enough :)
the bottom left poly flag with the chevron and heart was recently voted into being the more unanimous one through lots of poly creators and organizations online :333
I love the idea of adding dragons to the flags. One of my profile pics online is an aro pallete dragon. I also just realized that technically the polyamory flag has writing on it.
You're honestly a warrior for making these in google presentations and I'm honest to god impressed how you managed to somehow make that genderfluid flag kjkdjskjkds but please, have mercy on yourself, and use paint If you don't have windows you can search for paint online just don't make yourself suffer further SJDHSJHJD But anyway, I agree with this version of the aro flag for sure!!! It just makes my brain tickle in a good way my only real critisim to a lot of flags would be the colours. for example, in your new version of the genderqueer flag, i feel like the colors clash a little side by side. Could you put either the purple or the green in the middle? would make sense with the other + I think it would look more nice 👍👍
Hehe, only confusion with the dragon is that dragons are associated with us ace folk 😛 Also, if you wanted something other than horizontal stripes, you could make the ace flag into a nordic cross, since we're gonna invade Denmark sometime soon 😜
@@yourrockdog Damn, he really said "Imagine Dragons? How bout you Imagine some Bitches...or unbitches, whatever you aces like idk we don't discriminate"
As a genderfluid person, I wasn't really on board with your first redesign of the flag (don't worry, I think the original is hideous too) but I absolutely love this design!! The dragon and wavy lines are just perfect ❤
I took graphic design classes for a couple years, not a professional by ANY means and barely ever use it. But my thoughts. 1. Color is important, but hue is WAY more important. The trans flag, gay flag, and lesbian flag get it, they look gorgeous. You can have weird colors, but they need to have cohesion. Thats why I think all the bi umbrella flags look like dogshit. 2. I wasn’t sold on the wavy lines, but the last flag in the vid was glorious. Part of me thinks all the flags should have wavy lines to create cohesion. 3. The dragon was such a nice touch. Hear me out; different fantasy creatures on different flavors of flag?
i know microlabels can get tricky since there's just such an abundant amount of them, but looking at the unique genderfluid flag format you've created, i would love to see how you would fit genderfluid microlabels such as genderfae, genderfaun, etc into the same format, since it's always bothered me that those flags look closer to the lesbian flag than the genderfluid flag lol
As someone who just came out as bi and have been working on crocheting every pride flag, I can't tell you how cool it is that this series was recommended to me by youtube. Your part about the color matching and finding different shades really rang true! I love the lesbian flag, but why are the colors so darn specific? (I mean, they're really nice colors, but yarns that match their colors are so hard to get right!)
If you still read comments please it would be so cool if you did a part 3 with every single demi-gender flag, Demi-girl, Demi-boy, Demi-fluid, and Demi-flux! 🎉 there are also other ones without flags like Demi-nonbinary, Demi-Androgyne, demi-agender, and Demi-neutrois!❤ I love this idea specifically as a Demi-gender person (Demi-fluid) so I think it would be super cool to see some Demi-gender hype ✨
Would love to see her go over the kink flags, there are so many interesting flags there and kink is becoming an important part of pride after all, we all oppressed by the vanilla cis hetro society after all. Plus the kink community been really good and supportive when I started transition.
@@writing-ace-club ope, didn't know that. sorry, I'm quite recent in the community, didn't have the chance to go deeper into the history yet(~_~;)
Just binged both videos and loved them!! The fantasy geek in me has to point out that you used a Wyrm, not a dragon, but it still works. Also I'm grabbing my chance to say that my favourite flags are the sapphic and achillean ones. The symmetry, the matching colour palettes, the distinct symbols in the middle, the names!! Love it all. Hoping for a part 3!!
Personally I'm more of a "if you use an image, go REALLY simple" kind of person, so a dragon silhouette that is pretty detailed wouldn't work for my tastes. Even though dragons are really cool. I would either go symbolic, so a simple image that refers to a dragon, or something that has to do with dragons in some way, but isn't a dragon, like fire. I like it when flags do simple designs that are still distinct and not used often, like the diagonal lines and lily pads of the Frisian flag, or the curved X on the Achterhoekse flag (symbolising the landscape with winding sand paths). Both of these are not completely out there in terms of design, they're clearly a flag referencing other flags, but they're also not the same as all the other flags ever. Same with the Japanese flag, circles aren't completely impossible, but rare enough that they're very memorable.
Congratulations on finding your niche! I also like to play with the idea of how could give my own spin to flags. Say, I'm surprised the acearo flag didn't make it. I like how it converse with the gay and lesbian flags, but it bugs me that it doesn't with neither the ace nor the aro flags. If you do a part 3 I hope you look into it.
So happy there's more! Thank you. You are showing me flags as a communication tool, a language in itself! I'm francophone, fluent in English, intermediate in Spanish and beginner in ASL... and Flags!
Also, I feel like your gender-fluid flag is actually more reminiscent of the trans flag now because it is the trans flag sandwiched between black and with a magenta strip in the center. It's cool for sure, and if I identified that way, I would use it in a heartbeat. The one I do ID with that you talked about, ace, should remain one shade of purple. I admit it would make painting my nails the ace flag easier rather than my thumb just being an extra black nail, but on-screen, one purple is best, lol.
okay, I actually love the agender flag with the dragon! I think your second version with the white pulled out kinda looks too much like the aro flag, which people already mix up. The set with your new non-binary and genderfluid flags is actually great (especially with the black dragon... that's the only way to distract from those two horrible colour palates). But my favourite has to be your new and improved genderfluid flag with wavy lines... that's peak flag design.
Genderqueer artist here! Love the redesigns, love this series, but something about the green and purple next to each other in the genderqueer flag is disturbing lmao Also WOW I didn’t know about all the polyamorous flags! Gonna do some research…..
ramble incoming. sorry. i absolutely love the idea of the dragon on the flag EXCEPT. in my mind dragons in queer symbolism are automatically sorted as an ace thing. i don't remember the specifics, but when i was researching flags i found out that the ace community many years ago adopted dragons as a symbol. i don't know why. i don't know if it's still relevant. but it might be worth it to find another cool creature/symbol for the gender squad just for that also: i prefer 4 stripe aro flag because the specific shade of purple on the ace flag was chosen due to it being in the logo of the at-the-time largest + most recognizeable ace forum, iirc. it represents community, and as an ace person, the sense of community is rather important to me ! in my opinion, i think keeping it to just one purple stripe keeps its message clearer. to my knowledge, the green on the aro flag represents the different kinds of aromanticism. while having multiple shades of green does contribute to this thought, i do wonder if just saying the colour green itself represents that works just as well... or, even making it so there is one stripe of black, and two stripes of green? though, that could look really strange. i haven't tested it.
I have no idea if this is correct but how I interpret the dragon as an ace/aro symbol is that they’re saying dragons are cooler than sex, which tbh they kinda are
I was absolutely not sold on your nonbinary flag last episode, but the dragon and the color stripe in the middle is actually great. Also, talking about the aroace combo flag, the tendency for split attraction model to use a heart in the middle to display two flags (Instead of a chevron like the progress flag, and I never know if the flag in the heart is romantic or the sexual), and giving us kink flag history and and analysis would all be awesome! Also, I’d be interested in looking at the old triangle lesbian flag, making a corresponding gay one (with meaning), and then looking at the bi-angles!
I am certified in Illustrator among other art related things and very, very, queer, so I find it astonishing that I have *never* thought of doing this. (That's changing so though 😉)
I like the idea of having the trans flags having something with an “o“ symbol, e.g. agender (as someone has already suggested) would be ø, and transmasc or -fem could have the male and female symbols respectively and the non binary one as well with the star one
My big prideflag hot take as an enby demigirl is that not only is the nonbinary flag's color scheme just plain ugly at least in its current pattern, by following too closely to other flag designs it fails to capture what it means to be nonbinary. I would incorporate a mix of different elements and some additional colors to emphasize the ways that being non binary is defined by not falling within a paradigm, not following the larger pattern. For example: what if we started from the trans flag, choosing different shades of pink and blue to represent the ways that femme and masc-aligned nonbinary identities like mine are distinct from binary gender identities they vaguely orbit around. Take the white stripe out of the middle and replace with purple, as the existing meaning of blending feminine and masculine suits a central role. On one side, add either a yellow chevron with a white symbol inlaid, or a white chevron with a yellow symbol, not sure what the symbol is but let's go with a dragon because fuck yeah. And then, on the other side, do just one vertical stripe to contrast the others in black. That's not the only way something like this could work, but that is one way it could work. I might also want to find a way to squeeze a xenogender representing green/turquoise in there, maybe as part of the pattern with the yellow and white chevron/symbol? But I wouldn't want it to be unprintable, and 6 colors is already a lot for like... fabric. But I just have so many frustrations with the nonbinary flag, feeling pretty entirely unrepresented byits color meanings and just really disliking the way the color combo ends up looking. Honestly it all sort of comes down to the yellow, it's just too McDonald's for me, I think a gold would look better if possible tbh
it’s interesting, i only just figured out while watching this the design philosophy of the gender-fluid flag. there’s the pink purple and blue stripes which are a little trifecta much like in the bi flag, for instance, and then there’s a dichotomy with the white and black stripes, which are parallel in the design. if you look at the flag with one eye on the tri-colors and the other eye on the black/white dichotomy it makes much more sense, but it’s tricky, bc that principle of the color element and b/w element is easy to miss. your redesigns weren’t bad in this but i think they lost this aspect, i wonder what else could be tried to preserve this, when even the original doesn’t quite nail it. maybe thinning the white and black stripes?
My suggestion for aromantic and asexeual flags are make both 5 stripes (4:33) and for the aroace flag mix both putting green on top and purple on bottom Also, add a dragon to every flag and make them all wave lines
Theoretically, I love the idea of combining the aro and ace flags to make an aroace flag but to me, the black-grey-white gradient is such an integral part of the flags I wouldn’t wanna omit it. 🥺 Stacking them horizontally with the black stripe in the middle works, sorta, despite being clunky. It’s hard to choose.
As an aroace spec person could you make a flag for people on that spectrum and I also wanted to point out that the aroace flag (The yellow and blue one) looks like the south african aparthid flag
Color theory note: Colors look very different depending on their context. You can’t just copy and paste a color from one context to another and expect it to even look like the same color in both. For it to look the same in both contexts, you actually have to use two slightly different colors. Doing this well can require a bit of experience with color and color theory. But yeah, it may actually be the case that matching the colors in different pride flags to each other would improve them, but you need to have them actually be slightly different shades in reality in order for them to look like they’re the same to our eye.
Oh, really funny that these videos were recommended to me today. I had an interesting idea a few days ago: What if we could create a dynamic system to create flags that represents every aspect of a person? Just like the GB flag is a combination of multiple other flags. But since every individual flag uses quite a few colors this might get really tricky. When it comes to the individual flags I'd actually try to split all flags into categories and create a separate template or base flag for every category. Like: all flags about gender should look somewhat the same. Same for sexuality/romance, sexual interest, etc. In your videos I've also noticed even more odd color choices. E.g. the 7 stripes version of the lesbian flag. The middle pink has very low saturation compared to every other color. Also, a global color palette would be a great idea. To make them look more uniform and also to make it easier for people who create flags, so they can reuse colors more easily.
as a polyam person, i think that the original polyam flag with muted colors looks pretty good. i have nothing wrong with the other ones, i just really like the pi symbol lol
I love the pi symbol, mostly because it is fun and easy to draw. I often do hand art and I love to draw a big pi outline filled with florals and vines and leaves that sometimes even overlap the outside. mostly in the different poly flag colors, more the pink-red than the red red because I don't have a skin-safe pen in that color. but the gold and all is so beautiful in florals.
(7:10 ish) I tihnk if you changed all of them so the middle stripe is 1/7 of the total height of the flag that would create some cool visual parity between them while keeping the outer stripes on the omnisexual flag slightly bigger. Could also adjust omni colors to use the pinks and blues from the other three flags of the same family so it looks a little more in line with the others that are similar to it
Almost every single idea I had while watching the first and second part were made reality in the same video lol, love the genderfluid result!!! In general these are very sweet changes and so fun to see them being made
does the dragon have some significance I'm missing out on or is it just on there because dragons are cool lol I definitely still think there should be some element that's unique and obvious (like the dragon design) that identifies all identity and all sexuality flags separately, I think that would be really cool.
6:26 yet, ya still forgot about the aroace flag. Wich I do have some interesting design ideas to match it with both aro and ace flags, you see the sunset version of the flag? The one with orange white and blue. Why don’t we make the other flag designs based off of this? I imagine the ace flag as a dawn, changing the grey and black for opaque blues, or just two shades of grey, and adding an extra stripe of purple, always keeping the white stripe in the center. Now, the aro flag, I imagine it as a rainy day, switching the colors upside down and changing the black and grey again with two shades of opaque blue or straight up two shades of grey, again, keeping the white stripe in the center. And the Aroace flag is unchanged, (sunset design). I like to call these the: dawn, rainy and sunset flags.
i think the colors for aro and ace are pretty set in stone, though, purple/green plus grayscale is a pretty iconic color scheme. And the sunset aroace flag is different from those colors purposefully, representing those who see their aroace orientation as like, inseparably linked. So I think it's probably alright as it is right now, though perhaps an alternate purple+green version of the aroace flag could be interesting? (taking the top two green stripes from the aro flag, and the bottom two from the proposed 5 stripe aro flag) Personally as someone who's fully ace and... probably aromantic but at least somewhere on the aromantic spectrum, I see the two as kind of seperate aspects (probably because romance seems nice to me in theory, it just doesnt feel right in practice) so as much as i like the sunset aroace color scheme i identify more with the aro and ace flags seperately.
@@syro33They're actually two aroace flag (the sunset one) and the one combining both (green top, black middle, purple bottom) (The second is basically a mashup of the two but it looks better than the side by side version I see from times to times)
A concept I had I while back was a umbrella for gender identities, its not really a re-design but the colours are taken from already existent pride flags. I didn't have a name for it but I think it was pastel pink at the top, then pastel purple then white/light grey in the middle, then pastel blue and pastel green at the bottom.
One thing that always bothered me about the most popular aroace flag (the one with orange, yellow, white, light blue and blue) is how little it communicates with the asexual and the aromantic flags when I felt that it would make sense that they have something in common. BUTTT then I found this one aroace flag called Bunganvilia aroace flag and I ADORE it. It's not that similar to the ace and aro flags but like it at least has both purple and green AND IT HAS A COOL DRAGON ON IT?? As an aroace I love that flag so much and I wish that itd get more recognition EDITT: I realized this comment came across a little disrespectful to the current flag which was not my intention at all, english isnt my first language so i'm not very good with wording, sorry for that 😭😭 I wanna clarify 2 things: 1: I by no means mean to imply that every aroace should change to use that flag. I love the current aroace flag too! I mostly wanted to bring attention to this other flag that I really like and it's not that well known but maybe someone else would also like to use. 2: It was also brought to my attention that the reason theyre so different is cause the aroace experience is different than the alloace/aroallo experience which is also good symbolism. Again, I didn't mean to insult this flag at all but I understand how this comment could have been read like that. Sorry for the long comment I just thought I'd clarify 😋
Wasn't kinda the reason the aroace flag is yellow/blue exactly because that isn't just the ace and the aro flag smashed together? Because being aroace is a very different experience to being aroallo or alloace?
@saraphina0104 I didn't know about that! that's also a nice symbolism! I did also like that version of the aroace flag bc of it's use of yellow which is often associated with friendship. Also I realize that my comment came across as a bit disrespectful towards that flag which was not my intention. I do like that flag a lot too so sorry for that :)
@@saraphina0104 Yep! Its different because some aro-ace people see them as like, the one thing that gives a different experience to being either aro or ace on their own. Also theyre just some of the most pleasing colors, i wouldnt want to change it just because it looks really nice.
@@saraphina0104 Also I wanted to add that I don't necessarily think that because two flags are in conversations with each other, means the identities have a conpletely equal experience. Take for example the lesbian and the gay flag talking to each other in a way even though they're not the same, or all the other acespec/arospec flags communicating with the ace and aro flag respectively! Ofc I understand your side of the argument too, but I always thought it'd be nice if the aroace referenced the ace and aro flag in some way while still being its own thing :P also sorry if any of my comments are a little difficult to read, english isn't my first language :P
@@syro33 That's so true too, the colors on the current aroace flag are very pretty they kinda remind me of a beach Also just in case I wanna add that I don't mean to say we all should change the aroace flag, I love the current one and I use it sometimes as well, but I wanted to mention this other flag that I thought was really cool and that I also use a lot!
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but I posted about the new aro flag and someone pointed out to me that it's just the androphilia flag upside down. I'm not androphilic (I'm aromantic), so I don't want to say we should take their flag. In my post, I switched the green from the darker one to the lighter one, but there's probably a better solution. Maybe you could tackle it in part 3? Yeah, so, um, update. People do not like the new flag. Seems like the prevailing feeling is "it's not broken, so don't fix it." I still like the new flag, though.
yes I love the ace and aro flag, it being upside down also shows it isn't just another version but an reflection lack of sexual attraction and a lack of romantic attraction, not the same but simulair and it also points at your body in a way with the colour difference, romance has been connected to the heart wich is in your torso and sexual desire connected to your bottoms
I think it would be so cute to put a t-rex on the transmasc flag, but there's enough different variations of the transmasc flag as it is, so I wouldn't want to add anything more complex. (also dinos are really hard to draw) but I have ideas for some other flags. Maybe leaves or a tree as a symbol on the traditional flag, to show that we as a community (everyone LGBTQIAPN+) are always growing and changing, that's what the + is for after all, showing that the lgbt alphabet doesn't end there and that it's always getting longer with the discovery of new identities that were always there but never had something to describe them before. An art piece I really wanted to make for a while now at school for pride month was a GIANT tree, and each leaf would have a different pride flag on it. I would need so much help to get this done, and especially even to just get permission to put this on a wall. We would have all the collaborators sign it at the bottom to show that we have a lot of support, and my friends and I really want to do this, but pride month not that far away and we still have to get approval from teachers and actually make it in time for pride month. P.S. sorry for the long comment, I just wanted to tell you about the cool idea I had about the tree of pride
I think we should add creatures to all the flags now. I, for one, would love to have a shark on the gay flag. It matches the colors and I like sharks. If we want to stick with mythical creatures, I’d be willing to settle for the kraken or the loch ness monster. I need opinions on this.
Do you have a png of the final gender-fluid one? I love it so much more than the standard version! It’s visually appealing and the dragon speaks to me.
4:30 Pink? 7:53 Fuchsia (I'm wondering about your monitor settings) I don't understand the dragon but I'm not complaining Looking forward to a potential next part!!
imo the simpler flags look so much cleaner & beautiful! Pulling the white out of the non-cisgender flags is kinda a brilliant move, especially with the genderfluid flag. I like the colors but always felt like the design was a little off; your 4-stripe version is so much better.
Poly person here, I personally love the old flag for its meaning to me though I will admit its colours are ehhh So I was thinking we give it the colours from the poly flag that had the nice colours (& maybe the symbol too?) Keep up the good work! love your videos!
The ace flag is beautiful as is, but I’d also love to see a concept with a dragon on it! It’s a huge in joke that dragons are the unofficial ace animal mascot
I personally feel we should all feel comfortable with have more unique flags, sort of like how a Providence in Canada need not look like the Canadian flag, I feel like standing alone is worthwhile because if you wanted to be all encompassing, you'd use the classic rainbow. To express a specific, individual identity is beautiful! And because these identities ARENT the same, I want them to be different. Solidarity is found when each of us stands together to fly our flags together
Great video! also um idk how to tell you this but there is another polyamorous flag which is one of the front contenders, Its red and blue with a thin yellow stripe and a black triangle.
i think dropping the horizontal symmetry for the dragons would be unironically WAY better, since the mirroring isn't exactly conveying any new meaning into the flags. there is a clear cut reason for why the trans flag is the way it is, including the symmetry. applying that same type of symmetry to other flags that (as far as i'm aware) do not share that same concept or similar concepts just feels... kinda just for aesthetic purposes? and if the purposes are purely aesthetic, dropping the symmetry would still be preferred for something more streamlined and easy to remember. even if they're symmetrical, remembering the order of two sets of mirrored colors is a really difficult task for some (i've seen people who can't even remember the order of the trans flag colors).
I didn't comment about in the first bc I didn't know there would be a second, but about the original genderfluid flag, I like how in many of the flags the white stripe "means" a division/union of concepts, like, if you could read the flags like you can a paper the white would be some sort of & (Lesbian flag reading like woman & woman, Trans flag reading mtf & ftm, etc.) So if you see the genderfluid flag it also has a division, in fact actually, two divisions, the pink & the puple, and the purple & the blue. This second one is divided by a black stripe instead, being the oposite of white, and considering that the entire colors follow a gradient of lightest at the pink darkest at the blue, it gives this feeling of a blur in the divisions, as if they don't mark two distinct concepts but of a concept that can move from one side to the other to the other, like a fluid. I do agree it can become an eyesore, because a color followed by the whitest white followed by a color followed by the blackest black followed by yet another color is clashing at every point, in my attempts of making it easier I settled in changing the white into a shade that is just in between the pink and purple, and the black into a shade in between the purple and blue, so there's not so much contrast between every stripe It ends up leaving the black as a much lighter grey, since the blue is not that dark, but you can always shift the blue darker to also darken that stripe
I love all the new flags, with the exception of the gender queer flag. With all due respect, it looks like The Hulk. A simple palette change would greatly improve it imo
I really like the white chevron or the white dragon - I think that’s a good way to show unity among all the un-cis flags without rearranging stripes a bunch, which to me feels like it makes them too homogenous, like the same person wearing a different colored shirt rather than a family of different people
my biggest problem is a lot of them have a lot of very saturated colors or conflicting colors, Id wanna see one saturated color or some better color theory involved but i really like the look of some of these
Is there a straight or flag? And what about adding smth same,common in every flag,like a triangle in the left side(same length sides,color depends on a group).
One point that always kinda bothers me is when a colour is hard to name and therefore to match in e.g. a bracelet. For example the middle stripe of the omni flag: is it blue? Is ist purple? Is it black? And no matter what it exactly is, it's unlikely that I have this exact colour.
I'm not a fan of the 5 stripe Ace flag. As stated before, the colors have symbolism and meaning and the flag was decided upon by the Ace community from a design contest on AVEN. Adding another random color for aesthetics does not seem to be in the spirit of thoughtful flag design. Edit: Also, I haven't seen this pointed out in this comment section yet so- Be mindful of the arrangement of the Genderfluid stripes. In the more simplified designs, putting the Pink, Purple, and Blue together is very similar to the Bi flag. Keeping in mind that one is a sexuality and one is a gender flag, the design language seems a little muddy there.
My 2 cents are the purple and green of the genderqueer flag need more contrast when they're next to each other. I think they're too similar in value so your eyes kind of blend them together and muddy them. Perhaps following with the agender, nonbinary, and genderfluid flags you could put either the purple or the green in the center surrounded by white with the other color on the top and bottom? Also I know it would break the lateral symmetry of the genderfluid flag, but one idea to reduce the number of stripes would be to have one pink stripe on the top and one blue stripe on the bottom (or vice versa) so you don't have both on either side of the white and purple center stripes.
On the genderfluid flag, what about: White Pink Purple Blue Black? It keeps it to the 5 stripes, it keeps the purple in the middle, keeps the pink->purple->blue color order. And while its not symetrical, it does have a nice balance imo and keeps it in the conversation with the other gender flags
I agree -- of any of the changes we've suggested for the genderfluid flag, that was the one that felt the most "aesthetic." It does, however, start changing flag meaning? The white was supposed to be a mirror to the black just like the pink was supposed to be a mirror to the blue in the original (and the purple representing that merge in the middle) So the order of the stripes *is* important to the original design -- the pink and blue were intended to be in the same place on opposite sides of the middle stripe, just like the black and white. That doesn't mean we can't scrap it (I wouldn't mind, personally, and I'm genderfluid) but that it's worth taking that into account in the conversation? I think possibly going back to pink and blue on one side of the purple, white and black on the other side of the purple could work. Instead of pink mirroring blue and white mirroring black, we have "femininity and masculinity" looking across the purple blend at "all genders and no gender?" (Or, to use an alternative meaning for white and black, "gender euphoria and dysphoria") It doesn't fit in conversation with the other trans flags... but then again, genderfluid isn't a solely trans identity. For many people it includes their cisgender identity as well, so maybe we're always going to be a little bit weird lol.
Ajwiewiehfhdjdj this is the coolest I love what you did with the ace and aro flags!! And the dragons are the best they make me grin for some reason😅I’m not sure abt other communities but I do remember that the hydra is just an accepted symbol by the omnis so replacing the dragon with that would be the coolest!! I’ve already seen a few Omni hydra designs but never one on the flag Also really small nitpick but I personally use the genderqueer flag with the less vibrant colors cause it looks nicer together but I’m obsessed with what you did with the genderqueer flags it’s so so cool aaaaaaaa
I'm not a fan of color matching the flags (ex: choosing the same purple for a bunch), cause color theory just means some of them will look wildly different and weird when next to certain colors
i just wanna point out that when the different flags blow in the wind the stripes supposedly become wavy and i don't know how that would work with the last genderfluid redesign (the wavy one) but the thing is that often times when the flags are presented they are not blowing in said wind since they are often hanged on walls or seen as flat on a screen i just though that whole thing about the straight stripes was worth to consider anyways hope more of the people who watched the first video will watch this one since it's a great ad on
There is also an aroace flag. The, as far as I can tell, accepted one currently is colored like a sunset over the ocean. With orange stripes on top and blue on the bottom separated by a white stripe. Though there is a version I prefer which uses the Aro stripes on top and the ase stripes on the bottom, specifically the 5 stripe version though a 6 stripe version I think also works well enough
How can you ask us poly folks to settle on a flag? We're polyamorous, we can love multiple flags at once! XP
Yeah I laughed out loud when she said that, it was a super obvious punchline
I think it’s literally our duty NOT to settle on a single flag 😆
i wonder if there's any chance these videos are going to lead to an actual shift in the flags in the future now that it's seemingly been gaining traction and becoming more collaborative lol
it's not like they never change and the changes have to start somewhere right hhh
Heh, maybe! Or maybe it'll just lead to more creativity - I love when people take the color schemes and twist them in new ways to make things.
Doubt it, there's a saying in progressing "one standard + one standard = three standards"
I'm hopeful the aro one takes off though, that one has really nice symbolism
Just gotta make em and start flying them at pride events or selling them
no. "change is bad" is the leading motton in almost every movement
Upvote for "I spent an hour on this" making wavy lines in Google slides. I'm so proud of you.
One thing that still wasn't commented on here was the way the Aro flag and Ace flag are made to merge together into the Aroace flag.
That's why I tend to lean towards the five stripe version of the asexual flag, with two purples, matching both the Aro flag... and the Aroace flag. Honestly I was surprised the Ace flag DOESN'T just take the lower components of the Aroace flag lol.
I think the aroace flag is ok as the sunset version, because if you didn’t know, there is a version of the aroace flag that uses two tones of blue at the bottom, one white stripe, and two tones of yellow at the top (yellow or orange)
@@DaSilverIngot Totally! I'm aroace myself and I like messing around with the hues on the sunset version.
Although.. I greatly dislike changes made to either the ace or aro flag individually. The vibes are thrown off and I'm not going to lie they look godawful ugly. The aromantic flag is one of my favorites for how aesthetically appealing it looks but trying to make either of them match each other completely ruins what makes the other one so iconic.
@@DaSilverIngoti love the sunset version and i think its fine on its own, but why does it have nothing to do with the aro and ace flags? If i saw it between all the pride flags without prior knowlage i would have guess that its the gay men flag, the sunset motif but with blues would have been the perfact complementor to the lesbian flag. I am so conflicted
@@fruity4820 The sunset aroace flag was actually designed purposefully to be visually distinct from the aro and ace flags, to represent aroace as a complete identity in and of itself and not just a mashup of aromantic and asexual. Differentiated conceptions of attraction don’t serve some aroaces in the way it does for alloaces or alloaros, and I think that’s totally fair to them! So I think it’s nice that all sorts of aspecs have a flag that represents them in a way that feels true to them :)
@@somethingclever5exactly I know it's the flag I use for myself and I even got a pride tattoo using it and it helps to open the dialog to those who are genuinely curious.
As a cishet ally that has a growing interest in flag design, I look forward to seeing what the queer community comes up with in the (hopefully near) future.
Country flags change all the time, and I always felt like a lot of these flags were lacking in cohesion and consistency.
Both of these videos were a great watch!
what i love about the most recent polyamory flag (the one in bottem left at 8:00) is that you can put the white triangle with heart on any flag without getting in the way of anything too much and having the combined flag
It really is an incredible choice, tbh! Very good stuff.
Totally agreed! My eye was immediately drawn towards it. Even though I really love the colour hues and specific symbol for the top right on that screen, the symbol itself will definitely be lost or indiscernible at a glance from a distance. I also like the lower left flag’s asymmetric chevron; it adds a nice flair to the flag in both vertical and horizontal orientations, and it’d feel quite distinct amongst other pride flags in every original or edited form in this video, especially all the symmetrical ones (even if those are the most easily visually appealing).
I agree! You can even swap out the symbol, just the asymmetric chevron is enough. And the fact that the infinity heart is not an exclusively polyamorous symbol really is a big flaw in the other two new flags.
Tbh I think that making the flags more modular as a whole could be an interesting idea. You could end up with a flag that describes every facet of your identity while still being legible to others
Another advantage of the five-stripe ace flag is that it matches all the other five-stripe flags, like I sometimes see ace lesbians using that version so that the two flags match up side-by-side (and I see a lot of trans lesbians picking the five-stripe version of the lesbian flag for the same reason). I think it's nice to have multiple versions where possible, so that any two flags can be made to match like that
nice to know the SAM (split attraction model) applies to non-aro and/or ace people like me - a lesbiromantic asexual sounds like an alien species but it's just your friend!
@@cewla3348what is sam?
i feel like dragons would go especially well on the aro/ace flags because they’re one of the inside jokes/symbols within the community!
yes plus the garlic bread, cake, and invading denmark, among other things such as stealing people's kneecaps
Exactly!!
Definitely
Okay that new genderfluid flag looks amazing! It's a little busy with the 9 wavy lines and the dragon but I don't care. It looks too good. Also I definetly think the aro flag having only 4 stripes makes a lot more sense than 5. Great changes!
it being busy matches the feeling of being genderfluid, I cannot relqte to a genderfluid flag if it is NOT a mess
@@lav-kitty yeah, like unironically, other than the rainbow flag meant to represent all of us, Genderfluid is pretty much the only one that could get away with being a Graphic Design Disaster lol
I really like it too, what if was just the coloured waves and keep the black only in the dragon?
your pfp tells us that you have good taste
I feel like the flags already kind of have a shared language in the horizontal stripes and the unique set of colors the flags gravitate to. like how flags of countries tend not to use pink, purple, and gray as much as pride flags do, and I feel like there's probably a difference in how common certain colors are in pride flags vs. country flags (like how red is super common in countries but super rare in pride flags). I feel like generally people can develop an eye for discerning between the two. but I do like the idea of putting symbols on the flags! that would be fun, seeing what symbols each group comes up with
personally i kinda hate the horizontal stripes being the motif for most pride flags cuz i think it’s kinda boring and looks too american but i digress
I'm not much into pride flags because of some personal issues, but, in my mere opinion, I don't think that is too much of a theme because, even though the colors are distinct, they are also in a pretty regular form of republican-ish countries, thus making them more plain and related to those. Although I think that the flags themselves having that break with tradition in colors is both a result of being made by and to queer people, and a statement of rupture, so it is great already.
But to continue in that theme of rupture, the flags could use more diverse designs, as:
Offset and uncommon partitions (as Portugal and Seychelles flags, as well piles, gyrons, etc.)
Uncommon charges (as Brazil lozenge, old lesbian flag triangle, stylised letters, *dragons,* arms, hands, clothing, etc.)
Different edges (wavy, indented, emblatted, invected, bevilled, even putting a shape as line, as trefly, which is an line as a trefoil)
There are a ton of symbolism through the forms also that could be explored in pride flags rather than color.
Really gave the impression that you read the same comments I did!
I can't help but internally shout "MORTAL KOMBAT!" when I see the dragon designs. Great idea.
As a genderfluid person, literally every one of your flag variations is miles better!! I've always kind of disliked the flag, but i absolutely LOVE the final product and if THAT was the genderfluid flag, i would put it on everything ever. Amazing.
LITERALLY
I kinda wish there was a version that there was a 7 stripe variation like the nonbinary flag from this series but with the purples changed to blue on one side and pink on the other and then changing the yellow to purple and making *that* wavy-- I'd LOVE something like that
For the longest time I really thought the aromantic flag was actually the design in this video. I drew it like that and I even made a physical flag of it (with ace flag next to it)
SAME
I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE
I’ve drawn it like that for myself, too! It feels more intuitive to draw it that way, when you already know the ace flag.
for the longest time I thought that the ace flag had the purple on top, please tell me I'm not the only one
Me too, honestly it just made sense so I was surprised when it wasn't
Considering symbols and stuff, adding a cute/cartoon shark to the transgender flag sounds like an ineresting idea with the whole ordeal with the blahaj and trans people.
Oo oo oo! And maybe a cake on the ace + aro flags!!
@@autisticfrog290 denmark needs to be on the ace flag.
I feel like this type of design will become dated exrimly quick. I guess that it can just be changed in the future
I will not fly it.
Too complex for such a broad label
I think the excessive number of stripes, particularly two adjacent stripes with two shades of the same colour, in many of these are an artifact of the flags being conceived and often only existing in a digital form (or perhaps hand drawn, particularly in the early days) and not prototyped as an actual fabric flag. Because perfectly accurate flags in digital form looks kind of boring, flags are really meant to be flapping in the wind, that's why conventional "rules" for a good flag in vexillology emphasises simplicity so much because it's supposed to be distinct even when it's hanging limply in a gentle breeze.
It probably would be best if the flags were designed to be as simple as possible with few stripes and simple shapes, but that online representations were made with the flat solid colours being represented by gradients, and the flag as a whole being very subtly made a bit wavy. Also on screen slightly desaturated colours look better, while for print you want strong saturated colours.
Printed flags use the pantone (or similar system) color model and digital flags use RGB. So really there should just be 2 sets of colors for each flag, one for print and one for digital. In my opinion they should be designed for print first and the RGB colors should just be approximated so that they look similar (on a calibrated display) to how the print colors do in real life.
Underrated comment!
THANK YOU for mentioning how using different shades of the same colour is makes arts and crafts harder! I make posters and signs with spray paint and paint pens and I can't easily do flags like the lesbian, aromantic, etc flags because of difficulty finding shades!
i tried to make a lesbian bead bracelet in a pride park once, and ended up with red, orange, white, pink, and purple. i think using ajacent colors can work well, on its own it looked accurate enough :)
the bottom left poly flag with the chevron and heart was recently voted into being the more unanimous one through lots of poly creators and organizations online :333
I love the idea of adding dragons to the flags. One of my profile pics online is an aro pallete dragon.
I also just realized that technically the polyamory flag has writing on it.
i'd say that you can say the poly flag has text on it just as much as the flag of colorado does
@@alphaofficial6466the pi symbol on one of the versions could count as writing but it doesn’t really to me
@@EclipseYT13 it does represent the greek letter pi, not the math symbol. So it technically IS writing, in both function and meaning.
You're honestly a warrior for making these in google presentations and I'm honest to god impressed how you managed to somehow make that genderfluid flag kjkdjskjkds but please, have mercy on yourself, and use paint
If you don't have windows you can search for paint online just don't make yourself suffer further SJDHSJHJD
But anyway, I agree with this version of the aro flag for sure!!! It just makes my brain tickle in a good way
my only real critisim to a lot of flags would be the colours. for example, in your new version of the genderqueer flag, i feel like the colors clash a little side by side. Could you put either the purple or the green in the middle? would make sense with the other + I think it would look more nice 👍👍
Hehe, only confusion with the dragon is that dragons are associated with us ace folk 😛
Also, if you wanted something other than horizontal stripes, you could make the ace flag into a nordic cross, since we're gonna invade Denmark sometime soon 😜
Wait just curious, how long have dragons been associated with aces??
@@toxicdemon5426 I don't know the exact timeline, but the three main ace memes I see around are cake, dragons, and invading Denmark
I'm sorry, but Dragons are such a universal queer interest I feel like no one could claim them over another
dragons aren’t really associated with ace people outside of ace communities. As an aroallo I associate you guys with like, bread or whatever.
@@yourrockdog Damn, he really said "Imagine Dragons? How bout you Imagine some Bitches...or unbitches, whatever you aces like idk we don't discriminate"
I really hope the polyamorous community can figure out a flag, it not having a flag makes it really hard to show my pride
Why only get one? 😂
As a genderfluid person, I wasn't really on board with your first redesign of the flag (don't worry, I think the original is hideous too) but I absolutely love this design!! The dragon and wavy lines are just perfect ❤
I took graphic design classes for a couple years, not a professional by ANY means and barely ever use it. But my thoughts.
1. Color is important, but hue is WAY more important. The trans flag, gay flag, and lesbian flag get it, they look gorgeous. You can have weird colors, but they need to have cohesion. Thats why I think all the bi umbrella flags look like dogshit.
2. I wasn’t sold on the wavy lines, but the last flag in the vid was glorious. Part of me thinks all the flags should have wavy lines to create cohesion.
3. The dragon was such a nice touch. Hear me out; different fantasy creatures on different flavors of flag?
loch ness monster for aro/ace?
i know microlabels can get tricky since there's just such an abundant amount of them, but looking at the unique genderfluid flag format you've created, i would love to see how you would fit genderfluid microlabels such as genderfae, genderfaun, etc into the same format, since it's always bothered me that those flags look closer to the lesbian flag than the genderfluid flag lol
As someone who just came out as bi and have been working on crocheting every pride flag, I can't tell you how cool it is that this series was recommended to me by youtube. Your part about the color matching and finding different shades really rang true! I love the lesbian flag, but why are the colors so darn specific? (I mean, they're really nice colors, but yarns that match their colors are so hard to get right!)
If you still read comments please it would be so cool if you did a part 3 with every single demi-gender flag, Demi-girl, Demi-boy, Demi-fluid, and Demi-flux! 🎉 there are also other ones without flags like Demi-nonbinary, Demi-Androgyne, demi-agender, and Demi-neutrois!❤ I love this idea specifically as a Demi-gender person (Demi-fluid) so I think it would be super cool to see some Demi-gender hype ✨
Would love to see her go over the kink flags, there are so many interesting flags there and kink is becoming an important part of pride after all, we all oppressed by the vanilla cis hetro society after all.
Plus the kink community been really good and supportive when I started transition.
damn we got kink flags now?? i don't mind tho
@@ambunt The leather flag was made 1989. Kink has been in the community for longer than some of us have been alive
@@writing-ace-club ope, didn't know that. sorry, I'm quite recent in the community, didn't have the chance to go deeper into the history yet(~_~;)
@@ambunt No worries! Kink and queer are two neighboring communities, with lots of overlap.
@@avryantoinette looking forward to dig deeper into that, thanks ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
Just binged both videos and loved them!! The fantasy geek in me has to point out that you used a Wyrm, not a dragon, but it still works.
Also I'm grabbing my chance to say that my favourite flags are the sapphic and achillean ones. The symmetry, the matching colour palettes, the distinct symbols in the middle, the names!! Love it all. Hoping for a part 3!!
Personally I'm more of a "if you use an image, go REALLY simple" kind of person, so a dragon silhouette that is pretty detailed wouldn't work for my tastes. Even though dragons are really cool. I would either go symbolic, so a simple image that refers to a dragon, or something that has to do with dragons in some way, but isn't a dragon, like fire.
I like it when flags do simple designs that are still distinct and not used often, like the diagonal lines and lily pads of the Frisian flag, or the curved X on the Achterhoekse flag (symbolising the landscape with winding sand paths). Both of these are not completely out there in terms of design, they're clearly a flag referencing other flags, but they're also not the same as all the other flags ever. Same with the Japanese flag, circles aren't completely impossible, but rare enough that they're very memorable.
Congratulations on finding your niche! I also like to play with the idea of how could give my own spin to flags.
Say, I'm surprised the acearo flag didn't make it. I like how it converse with the gay and lesbian flags, but it bugs me that it doesn't with neither the ace nor the aro flags. If you do a part 3 I hope you look into it.
So happy there's more! Thank you. You are showing me flags as a communication tool, a language in itself! I'm francophone, fluent in English, intermediate in Spanish and beginner in ASL... and Flags!
Hi!!! I'm genderfluid, thank you for the beautiful dragon flag with the wavy lines! I would actually purchase and fly that
Also, I feel like your gender-fluid flag is actually more reminiscent of the trans flag now because it is the trans flag sandwiched between black and with a magenta strip in the center. It's cool for sure, and if I identified that way, I would use it in a heartbeat. The one I do ID with that you talked about, ace, should remain one shade of purple. I admit it would make painting my nails the ace flag easier rather than my thumb just being an extra black nail, but on-screen, one purple is best, lol.
okay, I actually love the agender flag with the dragon! I think your second version with the white pulled out kinda looks too much like the aro flag, which people already mix up. The set with your new non-binary and genderfluid flags is actually great (especially with the black dragon... that's the only way to distract from those two horrible colour palates). But my favourite has to be your new and improved genderfluid flag with wavy lines... that's peak flag design.
Genderqueer artist here! Love the redesigns, love this series, but something about the green and purple next to each other in the genderqueer flag is disturbing lmao
Also WOW I didn’t know about all the polyamorous flags! Gonna do some research…..
ramble incoming. sorry.
i absolutely love the idea of the dragon on the flag EXCEPT. in my mind dragons in queer symbolism are automatically sorted as an ace thing. i don't remember the specifics, but when i was researching flags i found out that the ace community many years ago adopted dragons as a symbol. i don't know why. i don't know if it's still relevant. but it might be worth it to find another cool creature/symbol for the gender squad just for that
also: i prefer 4 stripe aro flag because the specific shade of purple on the ace flag was chosen due to it being in the logo of the at-the-time largest + most recognizeable ace forum, iirc. it represents community, and as an ace person, the sense of community is rather important to me ! in my opinion, i think keeping it to just one purple stripe keeps its message clearer.
to my knowledge, the green on the aro flag represents the different kinds of aromanticism. while having multiple shades of green does contribute to this thought, i do wonder if just saying the colour green itself represents that works just as well... or, even making it so there is one stripe of black, and two stripes of green? though, that could look really strange. i haven't tested it.
I have no idea if this is correct but how I interpret the dragon as an ace/aro symbol is that they’re saying dragons are cooler than sex, which tbh they kinda are
@@Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat i wouldnt be surprised if that was the reason its the symbol tbh... and it's right!
10:36 In the spirit of Blåhaj, shark ... except if you think hatching, then it's awsome :3
I was absolutely not sold on your nonbinary flag last episode, but the dragon and the color stripe in the middle is actually great. Also, talking about the aroace combo flag, the tendency for split attraction model to use a heart in the middle to display two flags (Instead of a chevron like the progress flag, and I never know if the flag in the heart is romantic or the sexual), and giving us kink flag history and and analysis would all be awesome!
Also, I’d be interested in looking at the old triangle lesbian flag, making a corresponding gay one (with meaning), and then looking at the bi-angles!
I am certified in Illustrator among other art related things and very, very, queer, so I find it astonishing that I have *never* thought of doing this. (That's changing so though 😉)
8:05 look if I'm being honest maybe its okay if polyamory, of all things, doesn't settle for just one flag, no?
Lololol valid
I like the idea of having the trans flags having something with an “o“ symbol, e.g. agender (as someone has already suggested) would be ø, and transmasc or -fem could have the male and female symbols respectively and the non binary one as well with the star one
My big prideflag hot take as an enby demigirl is that not only is the nonbinary flag's color scheme just plain ugly at least in its current pattern, by following too closely to other flag designs it fails to capture what it means to be nonbinary. I would incorporate a mix of different elements and some additional colors to emphasize the ways that being non binary is defined by not falling within a paradigm, not following the larger pattern. For example: what if we started from the trans flag, choosing different shades of pink and blue to represent the ways that femme and masc-aligned nonbinary identities like mine are distinct from binary gender identities they vaguely orbit around. Take the white stripe out of the middle and replace with purple, as the existing meaning of blending feminine and masculine suits a central role. On one side, add either a yellow chevron with a white symbol inlaid, or a white chevron with a yellow symbol, not sure what the symbol is but let's go with a dragon because fuck yeah. And then, on the other side, do just one vertical stripe to contrast the others in black.
That's not the only way something like this could work, but that is one way it could work. I might also want to find a way to squeeze a xenogender representing green/turquoise in there, maybe as part of the pattern with the yellow and white chevron/symbol? But I wouldn't want it to be unprintable, and 6 colors is already a lot for like... fabric. But I just have so many frustrations with the nonbinary flag, feeling pretty entirely unrepresented byits color meanings and just really disliking the way the color combo ends up looking. Honestly it all sort of comes down to the yellow, it's just too McDonald's for me, I think a gold would look better if possible tbh
it’s interesting, i only just figured out while watching this the design philosophy of the gender-fluid flag. there’s the pink purple and blue stripes which are a little trifecta much like in the bi flag, for instance, and then there’s a dichotomy with the white and black stripes, which are parallel in the design. if you look at the flag with one eye on the tri-colors and the other eye on the black/white dichotomy it makes much more sense, but it’s tricky, bc that principle of the color element and b/w element is easy to miss. your redesigns weren’t bad in this but i think they lost this aspect, i wonder what else could be tried to preserve this, when even the original doesn’t quite nail it. maybe thinning the white and black stripes?
Okay now, Ima use your ultimate genderfluid flag. It is superior, I needed it all my life!
My suggestion for aromantic and asexeual flags are make both 5 stripes (4:33) and for the aroace flag mix both putting green on top and purple on bottom
Also, add a dragon to every flag and make them all wave lines
Theoretically, I love the idea of combining the aro and ace flags to make an aroace flag but to me, the black-grey-white gradient is such an integral part of the flags I wouldn’t wanna omit it. 🥺 Stacking them horizontally with the black stripe in the middle works, sorta, despite being clunky. It’s hard to choose.
I LOVE THE DRAGON
especially the wavy genderfluid flag :D
And I love that you did a second video with improvements made from your comment section
When you were saying they have two different shades of the same color is hard, look at the uranic/saturnic/neptunic flags 😡 please do a part three
As an aroace spec person could you make a flag for people on that spectrum and I also wanted to point out that the aroace flag (The yellow and blue one) looks like the south african aparthid flag
Color theory note: Colors look very different depending on their context. You can’t just copy and paste a color from one context to another and expect it to even look like the same color in both. For it to look the same in both contexts, you actually have to use two slightly different colors. Doing this well can require a bit of experience with color and color theory.
But yeah, it may actually be the case that matching the colors in different pride flags to each other would improve them, but you need to have them actually be slightly different shades in reality in order for them to look like they’re the same to our eye.
Oh, really funny that these videos were recommended to me today. I had an interesting idea a few days ago: What if we could create a dynamic system to create flags that represents every aspect of a person? Just like the GB flag is a combination of multiple other flags. But since every individual flag uses quite a few colors this might get really tricky.
When it comes to the individual flags I'd actually try to split all flags into categories and create a separate template or base flag for every category. Like: all flags about gender should look somewhat the same. Same for sexuality/romance, sexual interest, etc.
In your videos I've also noticed even more odd color choices. E.g. the 7 stripes version of the lesbian flag. The middle pink has very low saturation compared to every other color.
Also, a global color palette would be a great idea. To make them look more uniform and also to make it easier for people who create flags, so they can reuse colors more easily.
Part 3! I jumped into the first one like "What is wrong with the flags?" then I was wanting a whole series of this!
as a polyam person, i think that the original polyam flag with muted colors looks pretty good. i have nothing wrong with the other ones, i just really like the pi symbol lol
Pi is way too nerdy for my taste, to be honest.
I love the pi symbol, mostly because it is fun and easy to draw. I often do hand art and I love to draw a big pi outline filled with florals and vines and leaves that sometimes even overlap the outside. mostly in the different poly flag colors, more the pink-red than the red red because I don't have a skin-safe pen in that color. but the gold and all is so beautiful in florals.
And the best part is, it’s one of the most common polyamorous flags now as well, most use it for simplicity.
(7:10 ish) I tihnk if you changed all of them so the middle stripe is 1/7 of the total height of the flag that would create some cool visual parity between them while keeping the outer stripes on the omnisexual flag slightly bigger. Could also adjust omni colors to use the pinks and blues from the other three flags of the same family so it looks a little more in line with the others that are similar to it
The new Genderfluid flag is making my little Genderfluid dragonkin heart so happy!! These designs are so beautiful and thoughtful!!
Almost every single idea I had while watching the first and second part were made reality in the same video lol, love the genderfluid result!!! In general these are very sweet changes and so fun to see them being made
does the dragon have some significance I'm missing out on or is it just on there because dragons are cool lol
I definitely still think there should be some element that's unique and obvious (like the dragon design) that identifies all identity and all sexuality flags separately, I think that would be really cool.
The only significance is "Well, Wales has a dragon on their flag, let's do that"
well...dragons ARE pretty cool x) @@Blutzen
6:26 yet, ya still forgot about the aroace flag. Wich I do have some interesting design ideas to match it with both aro and ace flags, you see the sunset version of the flag? The one with orange white and blue. Why don’t we make the other flag designs based off of this? I imagine the ace flag as a dawn, changing the grey and black for opaque blues, or just two shades of grey, and adding an extra stripe of purple, always keeping the white stripe in the center. Now, the aro flag, I imagine it as a rainy day, switching the colors upside down and changing the black and grey again with two shades of opaque blue or straight up two shades of grey, again, keeping the white stripe in the center. And the Aroace flag is unchanged, (sunset design). I like to call these the: dawn, rainy and sunset flags.
i think the colors for aro and ace are pretty set in stone, though, purple/green plus grayscale is a pretty iconic color scheme. And the sunset aroace flag is different from those colors purposefully, representing those who see their aroace orientation as like, inseparably linked. So I think it's probably alright as it is right now, though perhaps an alternate purple+green version of the aroace flag could be interesting? (taking the top two green stripes from the aro flag, and the bottom two from the proposed 5 stripe aro flag)
Personally as someone who's fully ace and... probably aromantic but at least somewhere on the aromantic spectrum, I see the two as kind of seperate aspects (probably because romance seems nice to me in theory, it just doesnt feel right in practice) so as much as i like the sunset aroace color scheme i identify more with the aro and ace flags seperately.
@@syro33They're actually two aroace flag (the sunset one) and the one combining both (green top, black middle, purple bottom)
(The second is basically a mashup of the two but it looks better than the side by side version I see from times to times)
A concept I had I while back was a umbrella for gender identities, its not really a re-design but the colours are taken from already existent pride flags. I didn't have a name for it but I think it was pastel pink at the top, then pastel purple then white/light grey in the middle, then pastel blue and pastel green at the bottom.
The poly community doesn't have to choose just one flag, that's the whole point--
"I hope y'all settle" was such a funny unintentional burn
lololol noooooooooooooooooooooooo not my intention at alllllll
I'm not polyam, but when they made a comment about "having lots of good options" I was like "I think that is why they are poly" hahahaha
could you do the Xenogender flag? Xenogender is gaining traction and i feel kinda excluded.
Love the video, BTW, the white triangle version of the polyamory flag won the contest for the new flag
One thing that always bothered me about the most popular aroace flag (the one with orange, yellow, white, light blue and blue) is how little it communicates with the asexual and the aromantic flags when I felt that it would make sense that they have something in common. BUTTT then I found this one aroace flag called Bunganvilia aroace flag and I ADORE it. It's not that similar to the ace and aro flags but like it at least has both purple and green AND IT HAS A COOL DRAGON ON IT?? As an aroace I love that flag so much and I wish that itd get more recognition
EDITT: I realized this comment came across a little disrespectful to the current flag which was not my intention at all, english isnt my first language so i'm not very good with wording, sorry for that 😭😭 I wanna clarify 2 things:
1: I by no means mean to imply that every aroace should change to use that flag. I love the current aroace flag too! I mostly wanted to bring attention to this other flag that I really like and it's not that well known but maybe someone else would also like to use.
2: It was also brought to my attention that the reason theyre so different is cause the aroace experience is different than the alloace/aroallo experience which is also good symbolism. Again, I didn't mean to insult this flag at all but I understand how this comment could have been read like that.
Sorry for the long comment I just thought I'd clarify 😋
Wasn't kinda the reason the aroace flag is yellow/blue exactly because that isn't just the ace and the aro flag smashed together? Because being aroace is a very different experience to being aroallo or alloace?
@saraphina0104 I didn't know about that! that's also a nice symbolism! I did also like that version of the aroace flag bc of it's use of yellow which is often associated with friendship. Also I realize that my comment came across as a bit disrespectful towards that flag which was not my intention. I do like that flag a lot too so sorry for that :)
@@saraphina0104 Yep! Its different because some aro-ace people see them as like, the one thing that gives a different experience to being either aro or ace on their own. Also theyre just some of the most pleasing colors, i wouldnt want to change it just because it looks really nice.
@@saraphina0104 Also I wanted to add that I don't necessarily think that because two flags are in conversations with each other, means the identities have a conpletely equal experience. Take for example the lesbian and the gay flag talking to each other in a way even though they're not the same, or all the other acespec/arospec flags communicating with the ace and aro flag respectively!
Ofc I understand your side of the argument too, but I always thought it'd be nice if the aroace referenced the ace and aro flag in some way while still being its own thing :P also sorry if any of my comments are a little difficult to read, english isn't my first language :P
@@syro33 That's so true too, the colors on the current aroace flag are very pretty they kinda remind me of a beach
Also just in case I wanna add that I don't mean to say we all should change the aroace flag, I love the current one and I use it sometimes as well, but I wanted to mention this other flag that I thought was really cool and that I also use a lot!
petition to have a frog on the bi/pan/poly/omni flags 🐸
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but I posted about the new aro flag and someone pointed out to me that it's just the androphilia flag upside down. I'm not androphilic (I'm aromantic), so I don't want to say we should take their flag. In my post, I switched the green from the darker one to the lighter one, but there's probably a better solution. Maybe you could tackle it in part 3?
Yeah, so, um, update. People do not like the new flag. Seems like the prevailing feeling is "it's not broken, so don't fix it." I still like the new flag, though.
yes I love the ace and aro flag, it being upside down also shows it isn't just another version but an reflection
lack of sexual attraction and a lack of romantic attraction, not the same but simulair
and it also points at your body in a way with the colour difference, romance has been connected to the heart wich is in your torso and sexual desire connected to your bottoms
I think it would be so cute to put a t-rex on the transmasc flag, but there's enough different variations of the transmasc flag as it is, so I wouldn't want to add anything more complex. (also dinos are really hard to draw) but I have ideas for some other flags. Maybe leaves or a tree as a symbol on the traditional flag, to show that we as a community (everyone LGBTQIAPN+) are always growing and changing, that's what the + is for after all, showing that the lgbt alphabet doesn't end there and that it's always getting longer with the discovery of new identities that were always there but never had something to describe them before. An art piece I really wanted to make for a while now at school for pride month was a GIANT tree, and each leaf would have a different pride flag on it. I would need so much help to get this done, and especially even to just get permission to put this on a wall. We would have all the collaborators sign it at the bottom to show that we have a lot of support, and my friends and I really want to do this, but pride month not that far away and we still have to get approval from teachers and actually make it in time for pride month.
P.S. sorry for the long comment, I just wanted to tell you about the cool idea I had about the tree of pride
I think we should add creatures to all the flags now. I, for one, would love to have a shark on the gay flag. It matches the colors and I like sharks. If we want to stick with mythical creatures, I’d be willing to settle for the kraken or the loch ness monster. I need opinions on this.
Do you have a png of the final gender-fluid one? I love it so much more than the standard version! It’s visually appealing and the dragon speaks to me.
11:50 I could physically feel you wanting to say magnum opus lolllll
4:30 Pink?
7:53 Fuchsia (I'm wondering about your monitor settings)
I don't understand the dragon but I'm not complaining
Looking forward to a potential next part!!
imo the simpler flags look so much cleaner & beautiful! Pulling the white out of the non-cisgender flags is kinda a brilliant move, especially with the genderfluid flag. I like the colors but always felt like the design was a little off; your 4-stripe version is so much better.
Poly person here, I personally love the old flag for its meaning to me though I will admit its colours are ehhh
So I was thinking we give it the colours from the poly flag that had the nice colours (& maybe the symbol too?)
Keep up the good work! love your videos!
Polyam and polysexual and polygender and polyromantic and polynomial and polyhedron and polyurethane polytheistic
@@appreciatereciprocate5748 What..?
The ace flag is beautiful as is, but I’d also love to see a concept with a dragon on it! It’s a huge in joke that dragons are the unofficial ace animal mascot
As an asexual with a major sweet tooth, I wouldn’t be opposed to putting a cake on the ace flag. 😂 Maybe not as cool as dragons, though.
as an aro/ace person, i advocate for The Loch Ness Monster as my/our creature because most dont know if it's/we're real!
I personally feel we should all feel comfortable with have more unique flags, sort of like how a Providence in Canada need not look like the Canadian flag, I feel like standing alone is worthwhile because if you wanted to be all encompassing, you'd use the classic rainbow. To express a specific, individual identity is beautiful! And because these identities ARENT the same, I want them to be different. Solidarity is found when each of us stands together to fly our flags together
another meeting in the council of queers..
Great video! also um idk how to tell you this but there is another polyamorous flag which is one of the front contenders, Its red and blue with a thin yellow stripe and a black triangle.
about the wavy lines, i think you can import google drawing things onto sides? that might help
If you do any more of these redesigns, I would love to see the OG overlapping blue and pink biangles reimagined for the pan and poly flags
i think dropping the horizontal symmetry for the dragons would be unironically WAY better, since the mirroring isn't exactly conveying any new meaning into the flags. there is a clear cut reason for why the trans flag is the way it is, including the symmetry. applying that same type of symmetry to other flags that (as far as i'm aware) do not share that same concept or similar concepts just feels... kinda just for aesthetic purposes? and if the purposes are purely aesthetic, dropping the symmetry would still be preferred for something more streamlined and easy to remember. even if they're symmetrical, remembering the order of two sets of mirrored colors is a really difficult task for some (i've seen people who can't even remember the order of the trans flag colors).
I didn't comment about in the first bc I didn't know there would be a second, but about the original genderfluid flag, I like how in many of the flags the white stripe "means" a division/union of concepts, like, if you could read the flags like you can a paper the white would be some sort of & (Lesbian flag reading like woman & woman, Trans flag reading mtf & ftm, etc.)
So if you see the genderfluid flag it also has a division, in fact actually, two divisions, the pink & the puple, and the purple & the blue. This second one is divided by a black stripe instead, being the oposite of white, and considering that the entire colors follow a gradient of lightest at the pink darkest at the blue, it gives this feeling of a blur in the divisions, as if they don't mark two distinct concepts but of a concept that can move from one side to the other to the other, like a fluid.
I do agree it can become an eyesore, because a color followed by the whitest white followed by a color followed by the blackest black followed by yet another color is clashing at every point, in my attempts of making it easier I settled in changing the white into a shade that is just in between the pink and purple, and the black into a shade in between the purple and blue, so there's not so much contrast between every stripe
It ends up leaving the black as a much lighter grey, since the blue is not that dark, but you can always shift the blue darker to also darken that stripe
I love all the new flags, with the exception of the gender queer flag. With all due respect, it looks like The Hulk. A simple palette change would greatly improve it imo
I really like the white chevron or the white dragon - I think that’s a good way to show unity among all the un-cis flags without rearranging stripes a bunch, which to me feels like it makes them too homogenous, like the same person wearing a different colored shirt rather than a family of different people
my biggest problem is a lot of them have a lot of very saturated colors or conflicting colors, Id wanna see one saturated color or some better color theory involved but i really like the look of some of these
8:08 i liked the light blue / turquoise used on the alt poly flags, that dark blue from the old is kinda weird
Is there a straight or flag?
And what about adding smth same,common in every flag,like a triangle in the left side(same length sides,color depends on a group).
One point that always kinda bothers me is when a colour is hard to name and therefore to match in e.g. a bracelet. For example the middle stripe of the omni flag: is it blue? Is ist purple? Is it black? And no matter what it exactly is, it's unlikely that I have this exact colour.
I'm not a fan of the 5 stripe Ace flag. As stated before, the colors have symbolism and meaning and the flag was decided upon by the Ace community from a design contest on AVEN. Adding another random color for aesthetics does not seem to be in the spirit of thoughtful flag design.
Edit: Also, I haven't seen this pointed out in this comment section yet so- Be mindful of the arrangement of the Genderfluid stripes. In the more simplified designs, putting the Pink, Purple, and Blue together is very similar to the Bi flag. Keeping in mind that one is a sexuality and one is a gender flag, the design language seems a little muddy there.
My 2 cents are the purple and green of the genderqueer flag need more contrast when they're next to each other. I think they're too similar in value so your eyes kind of blend them together and muddy them. Perhaps following with the agender, nonbinary, and genderfluid flags you could put either the purple or the green in the center surrounded by white with the other color on the top and bottom?
Also I know it would break the lateral symmetry of the genderfluid flag, but one idea to reduce the number of stripes would be to have one pink stripe on the top and one blue stripe on the bottom (or vice versa) so you don't have both on either side of the white and purple center stripes.
Definitely earned by subscription. That dragon Genderfluid flag goes hard!
You just touched on the world building community. Vexillology let’s go
On the genderfluid flag, what about:
White
Pink
Purple
Blue
Black?
It keeps it to the 5 stripes, it keeps the purple in the middle, keeps the pink->purple->blue color order. And while its not symetrical, it does have a nice balance imo and keeps it in the conversation with the other gender flags
I am seriously digging the 7 striped non binary flag, and the colored middle stripe cohesion in all the different non binary flags
The genderfluid flag with the white as a chevron/symbol looks waaaaay better. I love it.
I agree -- of any of the changes we've suggested for the genderfluid flag, that was the one that felt the most "aesthetic."
It does, however, start changing flag meaning? The white was supposed to be a mirror to the black just like the pink was supposed to be a mirror to the blue in the original (and the purple representing that merge in the middle) So the order of the stripes *is* important to the original design -- the pink and blue were intended to be in the same place on opposite sides of the middle stripe, just like the black and white. That doesn't mean we can't scrap it (I wouldn't mind, personally, and I'm genderfluid) but that it's worth taking that into account in the conversation?
I think possibly going back to pink and blue on one side of the purple, white and black on the other side of the purple could work. Instead of pink mirroring blue and white mirroring black, we have "femininity and masculinity" looking across the purple blend at "all genders and no gender?" (Or, to use an alternative meaning for white and black, "gender euphoria and dysphoria") It doesn't fit in conversation with the other trans flags... but then again, genderfluid isn't a solely trans identity. For many people it includes their cisgender identity as well, so maybe we're always going to be a little bit weird lol.
Ajwiewiehfhdjdj this is the coolest I love what you did with the ace and aro flags!! And the dragons are the best they make me grin for some reason😅I’m not sure abt other communities but I do remember that the hydra is just an accepted symbol by the omnis so replacing the dragon with that would be the coolest!! I’ve already seen a few Omni hydra designs but never one on the flag
Also really small nitpick but I personally use the genderqueer flag with the less vibrant colors cause it looks nicer together but I’m obsessed with what you did with the genderqueer flags it’s so so cool aaaaaaaa
12:37 now looking at the 4 lines aro version, it looks so cool again, for some reason i like the thick lines
I'm not a fan of color matching the flags (ex: choosing the same purple for a bunch), cause color theory just means some of them will look wildly different and weird when next to certain colors
oh my god card suits on the aromantic and asexual flags?!?!?
OH MY GOD THE NEW GENDER FLUID FLAG LOOKS SO GOOD
i just wanna point out that when the different flags blow in the wind the stripes supposedly become wavy
and i don't know how that would work with the last genderfluid redesign (the wavy one)
but the thing is that often times when the flags are presented they are not blowing in said wind since they are often hanged on walls or seen as flat on a screen
i just though that whole thing about the straight stripes was worth to consider
anyways hope more of the people who watched the first video will watch this one since it's a great ad on
There is also an aroace flag. The, as far as I can tell, accepted one currently is colored like a sunset over the ocean. With orange stripes on top and blue on the bottom separated by a white stripe. Though there is a version I prefer which uses the Aro stripes on top and the ase stripes on the bottom, specifically the 5 stripe version though a 6 stripe version I think also works well enough