@@PoyoPoyomfsOn paper and in spreadsheets. Personally with a M2W1 Miyabi, that woman is absolutely self-sufficient. I put Yanagi in her team so I can activate her passive, but most things she destroys on her own. Hell, when farming basic mats, I usually lose time when I switch from Miyabi to someone else instead of just staying on Miyabi. Her first two Mindscapes give her better sustained damage due to being able to trigger Icefire/Frostbite back to back and getting stacks more quickly. Imagine getting an Ult every 10 to 15 seconds. That's the damage you get with a fully charged basic.
No she won't, she will be "better" not "much" because her buff only works when an enemy is already stunned. Lighter, Qigyi and Caesar will still dwarf her (no pun intended).
@@ahlemlora1452 Yeah, but those are all limited. I think the point is that if you have Koleda she won't fall as behind a limited unit as much in an Evelyn team as she would replacing a limited in any other team.
@@ahlemlora1452the thing is, Evelyn will be able to do chain attack out of stun (and so is astra yao). So yeah, koleda stonks is rising as chain attack support
6:08 the problem with Soukaku is that she lingers on field way too long after casting her skill and quick swapping. She stays there for like 3 seconds, very vulnerable to enemy attacks. She's a pain in the ahh to use in the Tower Mode where enemies just k!lls you in 2 hits. I had to restart my runs, multiple times, coz she just keeps on dying after i already quick swapped.
Ppl complaining about Rina don't realize she functions exactly like Nicole? Her basics can apply her pen buffs for about 5 seconds (the duration that her dolls stay on-field): she's a quick swapper's dream because of this. Meanwhile, Soukaku has to charge her vortex stacks, which require energy and are even more tedious to manage. Best case scenario would be to pre-charge her stacks to 2, then swap her off and save her last stack for a stun cycle. Rina is easier and faster to use, while Soukaku is clunkier but does more dmg. Case and point.
i appreciate this game's cast being all solid to the point tier lists like these don't even go below A cuz my luck tends to make my favorite characters always rank lower lol (corin main, by the way)
I think that's because all the characters are technically good and usable, but some are wayy better, but that doesn't mean the others are bad enough to fall under s to a tier. We are still pretty early in the game, so nothing really dropped that lower the value of the other characters enough to place them below b
@@lapisgaming6093every character being S tier is dumb and makes no sense unless you are comparing them to Raid shadow legends or some other outside characters
@@lapisgaming6093 the same can be said for C tier. There is no switching euphemism that would make it anything other than 'best/worst' content creators just scared of backlash bc they're babies
Soukaku trades her longer field time with a higher damage buff. With m6 Lucy she has the ability to apply her 600 dmg buff and 10% cd off field for up to 30 seconds while Soukaku allows for 1k dmg for for the same amount of time at merely m1. She also has her extra ice buffs with her additional ability and ice shred at m4.
If nothing else soukaku’s ability to provide both passive bonus to Miyabi and allow players to run a 2 man team and save units for other sides, that alone is very useful.
You cant count out Lucy's pigs doing damage. 400 atk difference is only around 10% damage buff. Considering the 3 + seconds needed to set up Soukaku it's only worth using her over lucy in ice teams (even then it's questionable). In basically every other instances Lucy is better. Putting her in the same tier slightly lower spot is reasonable.
Lucy is being proped up by Burnice and Piper, those are the only two that make good use of her M6, it's a pain to prock her M6 with anyone besides those two. I wish more supports did as much elemental application as Soukakou and Nicole do, it would make single anomaly teams more viable.
The same could be said for other supports since they all rely on limited characters. Soldier 11, Koleda, Lucy has always been a staple. Lucy is very versatile compared to most other supports.
Soukaku's issue to me is that she basically has no s compared to anyone else which hurts for anyone you gotta onfield a bit to build resources. She's still really sick for a free character.
Yeah, against hyper aggressive bosses finding space to do even two quick swings of her flag can be hard sometimes. Especially ones that are amped up and can’t really be staggered by big hits to give you a window. You can do it, she just requires a higher level of skill and enemy knowledge than the other supports.
@@KahlevN This is also why I rank Koleda higher than Anby. Koleda kinda wins in that she gives any sort of buff at all, even if chain attack damage is whatever, but her entire move set is "Oops! All s!", and her massively front-loaded daze lets you obliterate trash mobs which I think are becoming more prevalent, and will likely end up be buffed to counter teams that can farm bosses 1v1 all day.
Billy is interesting in that his performance heavily relies on the player's own skill, with Harumasa probably slightly behind him on being the hardest character to play in the game. His M6 literally tells you to "no damage" levels to get maximum damage buffs. Nekomata may have higher burst damage, but the fact that Billy is ALWAYS doing damage while doing literally ANY action means that he ends up with higher overall damage anyway. If you can get like, Caesar in his team, have his Steady Shot active, and then do three dodge counters in a row finished by an EX Special from Billy, that's about 50%% of a level 70 boss' health without the boss even being stunned. His whole thing is basically brute-forcing the system by stacking multiple damage buffs on top of one another, but only if he is played well.
Mmmm Nicole is really good, but is not at the same level of Caesar, Soukaku doesn't deserve to be with Lighter Qingyi and Lucy, finally I don't have Rina but she is better than soukaku just because she can apply her debuff faster
I agree with the Nicole - Caesar take, but I dont agree with the sokaku one. She might be a bit slow, but the buffs and damage done makes it very worth regardless.
@cybergamer__ The think about supports is that you don't want them onfield, you want them to apply their buffs or debuffs and then use your dps, soukaku takes too much time onfield compared to the other 3 supports
@wilsonarenas7583 This a million times! I have a Harumasa team with Lighter and Lucy precisely because Soukaku takes too much field time from Harumasa, especially during chain. She gets hit too easily trying to set up her buffs whereas Lucy is a one and done, especially now that everyone can ult. Toy can build her for dmg and crit too and she'll do dmg off field too. Soukaku is just exhausting imo.
@@wilsonarenas7583 Yes she does take a lot if time on field, but that doesn't necessarily make her that much worse than the others in practice because her buffs are larger and lasts longer, basically a trade off.
M0 Rina has been way easier to play with Miyabi + Yanagi than I thought. Her skill and ult allows her buff to last long enough for you perform your rotations with time to spare.
Lycaon below rina is bold when Rina need m1 to be usable and Lycaon can be level 1 and still give value and will alwayd get value as long as it's an ice team.
My jane clears just as fast as my yanagi and miyabi, yes all of them have sig....jane belongs in ss. Or is 1 to 2 million damage per assault proc considered low damage?
Dunno how some could doubt Ceasar to be SS tier, for shiyu perhaps she aint that needed (still amazing on it). But endless tower alone makes Ceasar be SS or even the sole SSS character in the game.
Borderline unplayable, her EX misses all the time, her multipliers are completely dogshit, and her passive is straight up broken in a bad way without the M1 to fix it.
@@ВладиславБериславский Bro literally comes to every comment section just to type skill issue, must have some kind of weird kink or some shit. I mean good for you, buddy, but I’d still wager that most people prefer units that actually deal damage and don’t need to awkwardly position themselves point-blank behind the enemy’s back.
@@vladdyru agreed, ive tried using nekomata on my friend's account, even on m3+sig, neko is soooo ass to play. I have jane so if i do get her, ill leave her in dust
@@vladdyru bro literally makes up shit on a go. First reply that I left, and you are already offended and trying to defend your ass by painting me in a bad color. Good tactic, buddy, keep it up.
Getting the first limited character in any Hoyoverse title is basically equivalent to just shooting yourself in the foot. At this point I'm actually glad that Obol Squad hasn't been released early - perhaps they'll get at least some longevity.
I did get ellen and cost me everything at lauch, and after that my luck got worse, i never won 50/50 im actually at five lost in a row but still clearing all the content as a f2p player. Do i think i shoot myself in the foot for pulling ellen? Nah.
Look like Jstern25 is a mega Nicole simp. There is no world where Nicole is a tier better than Lucy and Soukaku, grouping is very overrated as many characters have natural AoE/or just learn to position. Furthermore, the latest end game content deadly assault, Nicole's grouping is literally worthless. Nicole buff duration is too low for any non burst agent, and very difficult to use if the boss is not stunned as they can easily move away from it, and as such she is still primary played as ZY support. Lucy and Soukaku buffs are active 24/7, much more flexible and Lucy does legit off-field damage. Putting Corin above Neko is just lol, no comments.
@@mebite839 Nicole does DMG too silly, her burst which can be used now is another way to apply the buff and it last longers and is also insane dmg, + free crit rate. Saying grouping sucks when it matters for most of shiyu , most of void/hollow, and a lot of early tower. Also ignoring the fact that she comes with I-frames for that same content. then also saying it’s only useful for stun agents while ignoring Harumasa, Billy, Zhu Yuan, and Corrin…insane.
@@maikcampbell For your last paragraph, all the agents you stated prefer to do dmg in a stun window so you basically just backed up his point (not that I completely agree with it).
Are you building your Nicole with AM/AP still? Because she also does legit damage with crit build lol. In fact all of the supports are since they have big ult multipliers, that's part of their power budget.
@@maikcampbell You missed the part where grouping does not scale with current hardest end game, with is deadly assault and high level tower. Void/Hollow and Shiyu don't matter as you can clear these even with f2p 4 stars. Every support character does damage when built as DPS, but Nicole suffer even more uptime issue on her buff/debuff if she does not build regen on disk 6, and in actual hard content where you can't just 1-2 rotation mobs, Nicole value drops SIGNIFICANTLY because she is energy deficient compare to Lucy/Soukaku whose buff uptime will fully cover their energy recovery.
I wouldn't place soldier 11 and haru at the same tier. I have both now without signatures, they even share the same 4 pcs of crit-rate disks, being the same level with all skills build up, c0. Soldier 11 does negative damage even with the fire weakness and requires Cesar for her not to get the rhythm fire attacks gotten cancelled by a random hit at the back. Haru is MUCH comfortable to play, does not rely on shield that prevents animation cancelling by enemies' attacks, animations are more comfortable and less time-consuming AND he has damage reduction while he does the slashes stuff. Btw people made a comparison out there, Haru's damage dealing is basically Shu Yuan level, and as I don't have here, Haru forms a decent 2nd pack of characters
The skill ceiling for Harumasa is insanely high, I’ve seen random cn clears of like 30 seconds and spamming 15 dash attacks. Hes really strong just hard to play, whereas s11 at her max potential is just ok
If you are talking about Leifa's analysis of Harumasa you are mistaken. Yes he compared Harumasa to Zhu yuan but found that he is weaker than Zhu yuan and comparable with Ellen. They nerfed his damage in the beta and you can see his skill multipliers are less than Soldier 11's. In a straight up solo comparison Soldier 11 does more damage but because of the gameplay points you brought up thats why she isn't put higher than harumasa.
I think asta is going to bump ZhuYuan up. Miyabi is just broken, she deserves a tier of her own. She has absolutely bonkers dps, anomaly, can block incoming attacks, a great dodge, and an awesp,e ultimate that also boosts the dmg of the rest of her kit. can even kill shields.. Zenless gave her everything.
I started to build Ben Bigger and Im telling u hes kinda more cracked than some attacks unnits like billy corin nekomata etc, these lists rank ben without even trying to build him lolol
Best girls 1:Zhu Yuan 2: yagami 3: Jane 4: burnice 5: Nicole Best boys: 1:lycon ((litterally a good boy, I mean, he's a dog, how much of a good boy can you get?)) 2:lighter 3:Billy 4:Anton 5:haramasu
Currently using Miyabi with Qingyi and Nicole, which somehow works even though the latter two have no synergy. 40% defense reduction is just too good. Soukaku feels slow and clunky, and she's also... annoying, like a worse version of Paimon who talks during battle. (And I don't have Lycaon or Yanagi.)
imma be real im so confused about Jane and Yanagi in general. People say Yanagi >> Jane but my M0R1 Yanagi (really well built) vs my friends Jane M0R1 does seem lacking in terms of hard numbers even though im playing the rotations right for Yanagi
Yanagi/Burnice/Piper and Soukaku should'nt be in the dps tier list because they are like 70% dps and 30% support (Soukaku is more 70% support and 30% dps) There should be another tier list for subps
id say, you can use Puffer Electro 2p AND disc5 PEN on dd characters(especially with Rina) almost always, if other stats already good. If your Miyabi M2 and her crit rate in combat already 90%~, you can take Puffer Electro, instead of Woodpecker Electro. Rina better than lycon and soukaku, but you need play her right and properly use her buffs. i think disc5 is enough. Anyways, the Diff between PEN/ATK not super big to care much.
@@antdeviant m2 miyabi oh lord thats far im looking for her w eng now and ill get it soon already have 2disc puffer and 1 of them is pen % thx for the advice and ur time👍
@@vMrCrAzY glad to be of help🤙 if your Miyabi m0 so its better to just build base (good crit rate 80%+ and crit dmg 110%+), forget about puffer electro and take Woodpecker electro for now :)
I hate that these lists go from SS to A. Like can't we just have the normal S to D? Anyway, some hot takes in here. The uptime on Nicole's buffs are painfully short that I can't see her being top tier and yes, I have M6. Soldier 11 and Billy are also overrated.
Koleda is better because she's a faster stunner she's the fastest stunner out of all the 3 standard stunners, lycoan is the best because of his ice shred
how come you have 4 s tiers and the lowest is A is thier like a meme behind ir or something? It cant be possible the zzz community is this childish and pathetic that you had to make the tier list like this to avoid offending anyone?
solo character tiers out of context is not properly reflecting the strength of a character. It will always depend on the teams you can build around the character. Also depends on the mindscapes people have on the chars. M2 Zhuyuan beats M0 miyabi imo
Ironic how it’s a “gooner game” but yet you still stumbled upon this video in your yt homepage or you deliberately searched this vid and still pressed it 💀💀💀
I think Miyabi is in a tier of her own ngl
She's on V tier, which stands for Vergil
I agree, she does way.. wayyyy to much damage for the dps category.
With m1 you dont need to worry about future dps anymore lmao.
@@saveriocarro9399 Also V for Void Hunter, cant imagine how broken the other 6 Void Hunter are....
@@zaburinoakashi I thought m1 was only like a 10% more damage?
@@PoyoPoyomfsOn paper and in spreadsheets. Personally with a M2W1 Miyabi, that woman is absolutely self-sufficient. I put Yanagi in her team so I can activate her passive, but most things she destroys on her own.
Hell, when farming basic mats, I usually lose time when I switch from Miyabi to someone else instead of just staying on Miyabi.
Her first two Mindscapes give her better sustained damage due to being able to trigger Icefire/Frostbite back to back and getting stacks more quickly. Imagine getting an Ult every 10 to 15 seconds. That's the damage you get with a fully charged basic.
remember guys koleda will be so much better when evelyn drops
No she won't, she will be "better" not "much" because her buff only works when an enemy is already stunned.
Lighter, Qigyi and Caesar will still dwarf her (no pun intended).
@@ahlemlora1452 Yeah, but those are all limited. I think the point is that if you have Koleda she won't fall as behind a limited unit as much in an Evelyn team as she would replacing a limited in any other team.
@@ahlemlora1452mmmmm… no.
The problem is lighter is still bis, so koleda still doesn’t even have a best team, even in her best team. Whereas rina is bis in her team currently
@@ahlemlora1452the thing is, Evelyn will be able to do chain attack out of stun (and so is astra yao). So yeah, koleda stonks is rising as chain attack support
shark girl not best tier? wrong tier list 100%
*SSS+* : Ellen
*the others* : the others
F tier
Don't cope bro, the powercreep train has left the station and it will never stop
1.7 will have another ice attacker 😂😂
Sister got powercreeped not one but TWO times in the span of 6 patches
@Klozarks still clears all of the content, smh...
billy same tier as ellen holy
billy the goat
6:08 the problem with Soukaku is that she lingers on field way too long after casting her skill and quick swapping. She stays there for like 3 seconds, very vulnerable to enemy attacks. She's a pain in the ahh to use in the Tower Mode where enemies just k!lls you in 2 hits. I had to restart my runs, multiple times, coz she just keeps on dying after i already quick swapped.
You can opt to not do a spin swap cancel with her, just swap her out normally if you don't want her to take dmg
Brother I agree with what you said but for the love of all that is holy: write pain in the ass and the word "kills" properly
What the fuck
@@zensho5814 TikTok self censoring brain rot man, literally a generation of Westerners brainwashed by Chinese censorship.
@@zensho5814in my case if I write it my comment will dissapear among the sea of butterflies.
@@heiwanushiyasuda9092 but arent her buff wont active if you swap to quickly that didnt active the quick assist ?
Ppl complaining about Rina don't realize she functions exactly like Nicole? Her basics can apply her pen buffs for about 5 seconds (the duration that her dolls stay on-field): she's a quick swapper's dream because of this. Meanwhile, Soukaku has to charge her vortex stacks, which require energy and are even more tedious to manage. Best case scenario would be to pre-charge her stacks to 2, then swap her off and save her last stack for a stun cycle. Rina is easier and faster to use, while Soukaku is clunkier but does more dmg. Case and point.
Based
i appreciate this game's cast being all solid to the point tier lists like these don't even go below A
cuz my luck tends to make my favorite characters always rank lower lol (corin main, by the way)
What happened to S/A/B/C/D? S- S+ S++ is so stupid.
I think that's because all the characters are technically good and usable, but some are wayy better, but that doesn't mean the others are bad enough to fall under s to a tier. We are still pretty early in the game, so nothing really dropped that lower the value of the other characters enough to place them below b
Lmao I agree, A is the new F
@@lapisgaming6093every character being S tier is dumb and makes no sense unless you are comparing them to Raid shadow legends or some other outside characters
@@lapisgaming6093 the same can be said for C tier. There is no switching euphemism that would make it anything other than 'best/worst' content creators just scared of backlash bc they're babies
its funny
Soukaku trades her longer field time with a higher damage buff. With m6 Lucy she has the ability to apply her 600 dmg buff and 10% cd off field for up to 30 seconds while Soukaku allows for 1k dmg for for the same amount of time at merely m1. She also has her extra ice buffs with her additional ability and ice shred at m4.
If nothing else soukaku’s ability to provide both passive bonus to Miyabi and allow players to run a 2 man team and save units for other sides, that alone is very useful.
You cant count out Lucy's pigs doing damage. 400 atk difference is only around 10% damage buff. Considering the 3 + seconds needed to set up Soukaku it's only worth using her over lucy in ice teams (even then it's questionable). In basically every other instances Lucy is better. Putting her in the same tier slightly lower spot is reasonable.
Lucy is being proped up by Burnice and Piper, those are the only two that make good use of her M6, it's a pain to prock her M6 with anyone besides those two.
I wish more supports did as much elemental application as Soukakou and Nicole do, it would make single anomaly teams more viable.
basically
The same could be said for other supports since they all rely on limited characters. Soldier 11, Koleda, Lucy has always been a staple. Lucy is very versatile compared to most other supports.
Koleda 🤝 Evelyn
Soukaku's issue to me is that she basically has no s compared to anyone else which hurts for anyone you gotta onfield a bit to build resources. She's still really sick for a free character.
Yeah, against hyper aggressive bosses finding space to do even two quick swings of her flag can be hard sometimes. Especially ones that are amped up and can’t really be staggered by big hits to give you a window.
You can do it, she just requires a higher level of skill and enemy knowledge than the other supports.
She’s tanky enough to do it on two different occasions which should be enough unless you’re lacking in damage
@@KahlevN This is also why I rank Koleda higher than Anby. Koleda kinda wins in that she gives any sort of buff at all, even if chain attack damage is whatever, but her entire move set is "Oops! All s!", and her massively front-loaded daze lets you obliterate trash mobs which I think are becoming more prevalent, and will likely end up be buffed to counter teams that can farm bosses 1v1 all day.
Im holding onto Koleda stonks for Evelyn
Just a reminder that her buff only applies during stun window, so it won't be active all the time
@@SmashTheAdam ouch thanks for the reminder…
Billy is interesting in that his performance heavily relies on the player's own skill, with Harumasa probably slightly behind him on being the hardest character to play in the game. His M6 literally tells you to "no damage" levels to get maximum damage buffs. Nekomata may have higher burst damage, but the fact that Billy is ALWAYS doing damage while doing literally ANY action means that he ends up with higher overall damage anyway. If you can get like, Caesar in his team, have his Steady Shot active, and then do three dodge counters in a row finished by an EX Special from Billy, that's about 50%% of a level 70 boss' health without the boss even being stunned. His whole thing is basically brute-forcing the system by stacking multiple damage buffs on top of one another, but only if he is played well.
Soukaku's engine has a 8s duration, Lucy's engine has permanent uptime
Lucy can spam triggers for astral voice stacks quite easily and quickly.
If I do solo neko 100 chamber on video, will you mkve her up?)
I genuinely would, reply when you do it
@@jstern25 I am genuinely excited now. Need some time to climb their with so little free time, but I will do it.
Mmmm Nicole is really good, but is not at the same level of Caesar, Soukaku doesn't deserve to be with Lighter Qingyi and Lucy, finally I don't have Rina but she is better than soukaku just because she can apply her debuff faster
I agree with the Nicole - Caesar take, but I dont agree with the sokaku one. She might be a bit slow, but the buffs and damage done makes it very worth regardless.
@cybergamer__ The think about supports is that you don't want them onfield, you want them to apply their buffs or debuffs and then use your dps, soukaku takes too much time onfield compared to the other 3 supports
@wilsonarenas7583 This a million times! I have a Harumasa team with Lighter and Lucy precisely because Soukaku takes too much field time from Harumasa, especially during chain. She gets hit too easily trying to set up her buffs whereas Lucy is a one and done, especially now that everyone can ult. Toy can build her for dmg and crit too and she'll do dmg off field too. Soukaku is just exhausting imo.
@@wilsonarenas7583 Yes she does take a lot if time on field, but that doesn't necessarily make her that much worse than the others in practice because her buffs are larger and lasts longer, basically a trade off.
Nicole is legit stealth Limited Banner tier character.
Based on my experiences Yanagi is definitely a tier above Jane and Jane is definitely a tier above Ellen. But account investment may vary, etc.
Did he forget that caesar also has grouping?
If you build Soukaku as a dps, should you give her up as a support? Is there a build that she can function as half half?
The hate for Yanagi is Crazy….
I’ve seen people solo with Yanagi in tower.
Thanks for starting your video with a bad take I appreciate you saving me the time of watching the rest.
Found the one ben player
@@Spindlyskit damn right.
How do mindscapes affect Neko? I have seen talk that her M1 makes a massive difference, especially if you have her signature
Common Nicole, Common Zhu Yuan, Common Burnice W
All my favorites😂
"zenless zone zero 100% accurate tier list": 2 minutes in and already dated with Evelynn kit leaks lol
I just got done watching through all the other zenless vids, what is this timing lol
Why does ceasar not benefit miyabi much is it because the atk buff goes after she casts her charge atk and then switches to another character?
Yes...of course the character you switch too would then have the ATK buff...so you aren't really losing out on much
@CombatPandaZenlessZoneZero thanks I was just confused if she snapshots or not when going in the charge atk
@hxm1sh259 You know..I haven't tested that but based on what most of the CC have been saying since Beta I assume she does not snapshot
M0 Rina has been way easier to play with Miyabi + Yanagi than I thought. Her skill and ult allows her buff to last long enough for you perform your rotations with time to spare.
Yea since Miyabi promotes such a swappy playstyle anyways, you end up swapping to rina often anyways
I got Grace in Miyabi banners and I have Rina m1 and no Yanagi, should I build Grace or Harumasa for eletric weakness content?
Lycaon below rina is bold when Rina need m1 to be usable and Lycaon can be level 1 and still give value and will alwayd get value as long as it's an ice team.
My jane clears just as fast as my yanagi and miyabi, yes all of them have sig....jane belongs in ss. Or is 1 to 2 million damage per assault proc considered low damage?
Dunno how some could doubt Ceasar to be SS tier, for shiyu perhaps she aint that needed (still amazing on it). But endless tower alone makes Ceasar be SS or even the sole SSS character in the game.
I do like how A tier is the bottom since all are decent
Is Nekomata really that bad? Below Corrin, really?
Borderline unplayable, her EX misses all the time, her multipliers are completely dogshit, and her passive is straight up broken in a bad way without the M1 to fix it.
@@vladdyru sounds like skill issue, I can not imagine missing EX
@@ВладиславБериславский Bro literally comes to every comment section just to type skill issue, must have some kind of weird kink or some shit. I mean good for you, buddy, but I’d still wager that most people prefer units that actually deal damage and don’t need to awkwardly position themselves point-blank behind the enemy’s back.
@@vladdyru agreed, ive tried using nekomata on my friend's account, even on m3+sig, neko is soooo ass to play. I have jane so if i do get her, ill leave her in dust
@@vladdyru bro literally makes up shit on a go. First reply that I left, and you are already offended and trying to defend your ass by painting me in a bad color. Good tactic, buddy, keep it up.
Getting the first limited character in any Hoyoverse title is basically equivalent to just shooting yourself in the foot.
At this point I'm actually glad that Obol Squad hasn't been released early - perhaps they'll get at least some longevity.
I did get ellen and cost me everything at lauch, and after that my luck got worse, i never won 50/50 im actually at five lost in a row but still clearing all the content as a f2p player. Do i think i shoot myself in the foot for pulling ellen? Nah.
Yeah, I pity I won her 50/50... If I'd lose I would get Zhu Yuan guaranteed. But instead I won Ellen and lost on Zhu 💀
i mean venti didn't have this problem if anything he was released too strong
Seele was completely fine and had the cheapest 0 cycles throughout all of 1.X in HSR. No 1st banner's really been powercrept as quickly as Ellen has.
i like burnice
I do too
Putting ellen in same tier as soukaku is crazy
Look like Jstern25 is a mega Nicole simp. There is no world where Nicole is a tier better than Lucy and Soukaku, grouping is very overrated as many characters have natural AoE/or just learn to position. Furthermore, the latest end game content deadly assault, Nicole's grouping is literally worthless. Nicole buff duration is too low for any non burst agent, and very difficult to use if the boss is not stunned as they can easily move away from it, and as such she is still primary played as ZY support. Lucy and Soukaku buffs are active 24/7, much more flexible and Lucy does legit off-field damage.
Putting Corin above Neko is just lol, no comments.
@@mebite839 Nicole does DMG too silly, her burst which can be used now is another way to apply the buff and it last longers and is also insane dmg, + free crit rate. Saying grouping sucks when it matters for most of shiyu , most of void/hollow, and a lot of early tower. Also ignoring the fact that she comes with I-frames for that same content.
then also saying it’s only useful for stun agents while ignoring Harumasa, Billy, Zhu Yuan, and Corrin…insane.
@@maikcampbell For your last paragraph, all the agents you stated prefer to do dmg in a stun window so you basically just backed up his point (not that I completely agree with it).
@@cybergamer__ my point was that there ARE a lot of burst stun agents that benefit from Nicole
Are you building your Nicole with AM/AP still? Because she also does legit damage with crit build lol. In fact all of the supports are since they have big ult multipliers, that's part of their power budget.
@@maikcampbell You missed the part where grouping does not scale with current hardest end game, with is deadly assault and high level tower. Void/Hollow and Shiyu don't matter as you can clear these even with f2p 4 stars.
Every support character does damage when built as DPS, but Nicole suffer even more uptime issue on her buff/debuff if she does not build regen on disk 6, and in actual hard content where you can't just 1-2 rotation mobs, Nicole value drops SIGNIFICANTLY because she is energy deficient compare to Lucy/Soukaku whose buff uptime will fully cover their energy recovery.
I dumped soukaku only cuz she is unplayable in tower 💀
anton that low is definitely not a chinese anton xd
I wouldn't place soldier 11 and haru at the same tier. I have both now without signatures, they even share the same 4 pcs of crit-rate disks, being the same level with all skills build up, c0. Soldier 11 does negative damage even with the fire weakness and requires Cesar for her not to get the rhythm fire attacks gotten cancelled by a random hit at the back. Haru is MUCH comfortable to play, does not rely on shield that prevents animation cancelling by enemies' attacks, animations are more comfortable and less time-consuming AND he has damage reduction while he does the slashes stuff. Btw people made a comparison out there, Haru's damage dealing is basically Shu Yuan level, and as I don't have here, Haru forms a decent 2nd pack of characters
The skill ceiling for Harumasa is insanely high, I’ve seen random cn clears of like 30 seconds and spamming 15 dash attacks. Hes really strong just hard to play, whereas s11 at her max potential is just ok
If you are talking about Leifa's analysis of Harumasa you are mistaken. Yes he compared Harumasa to Zhu yuan but found that he is weaker than Zhu yuan and comparable with Ellen. They nerfed his damage in the beta and you can see his skill multipliers are less than Soldier 11's. In a straight up solo comparison Soldier 11 does more damage but because of the gameplay points you brought up thats why she isn't put higher than harumasa.
how did u put nicole on the same tier as caesar like she just doesnt compare 😭 otherwise "good" tier list i *guess* ??
For now no one is in same tier as Miyabi and prydwen at least now that.
Awesome tier list❤❤❤
There’s tier lists in these woods
I think asta is going to bump ZhuYuan up. Miyabi is just broken, she deserves a tier of her own. She has absolutely bonkers dps, anomaly, can block incoming attacks, a great dodge, and an awesp,e ultimate that also boosts the dmg of the rest of her kit. can even kill shields.. Zenless gave her everything.
I build my soukaku for dmg and a lot of the time I don't finish the rotation on dps because she just kill by herself
I foun haru M2 and his sig, I guess I'll pull qingyi next lol
Splendid tierlist
I started to build Ben Bigger and Im telling u hes kinda more cracked than some attacks unnits like billy corin nekomata etc, these lists rank ben without even trying to build him lolol
Cope, hes clunky and without koleda he doesn't work as well. Even with build, seth would just a better choice lol. Also he has slow as animation
@@neganlucille9302 I think he meant that when Ben's build as DPS, I agree that using him as a support is very lacking
@@softcritter7330 even as dps its the same no? At least with nekomata and billy is that they dont feel as slow as ben
Best girls
1:Zhu Yuan
2: yagami
3: Jane
4: burnice
5: Nicole
Best boys:
1:lycon ((litterally a good boy, I mean, he's a dog, how much of a good boy can you get?))
2:lighter
3:Billy
4:Anton
5:haramasu
Who is hell is yagami?
@@ossmboy7914 Light Yagami best girl
Ah yes lighthiro yagami, the best dps of death zone zero
Also
Its Antonio""
Currently using Miyabi with Qingyi and Nicole, which somehow works even though the latter two have no synergy. 40% defense reduction is just too good. Soukaku feels slow and clunky, and she's also... annoying, like a worse version of Paimon who talks during battle. (And I don't have Lycaon or Yanagi.)
My goal is to M6W5 my wife zhu yuan as a f2p no matter how many times she will get powercrept in the future
BASED. mine is M1W1 waiting for rerun
@@marecaelomiscere next patch brother next patch
imma be real im so confused about Jane and Yanagi in general.
People say Yanagi >> Jane but my M0R1 Yanagi (really well built) vs my friends Jane M0R1 does seem lacking in terms of hard numbers even though im playing the rotations right for Yanagi
are you playing single or double anomaly team? jane is imo better for single anomaly teams but gets destroyed when disorder teams comes into play
where would you rank lighter after evelyn comes out? same tier or pushed up more?
Yanagi/Burnice/Piper and Soukaku should'nt be in the dps tier list because they are like 70% dps and 30% support (Soukaku is more 70% support and 30% dps) There should be another tier list for subps
A good support can do damage shrug
Soukaku i-frame just messed up, easy to die after and before swap to the next character, I hate to use her. I use Lucy instead.
Miyabi has no equal.
is harumasa worth playing without qingyi?
I find harumasa works best with anomalies rather than stun, in my case he's better with Grace compared to Anby because the constant shock trigger
he's a fine f2p with Nicole and Anby to hold you over until you got better things going on. But nothing special.
@@ProtoTypeFMHe’s a free Zhu Yuan for Electric weak basically
@@DzakyAmany if your only stunner is anby it makes sense you find anomaly comps better lol
@cybergamer__ I mean its kinda either anby or qingyi no? Not many options
That's so low for my S11. Anyway, happy holidays!
Corin my beloved ❤
whos better with miyabi + yangi
m1 lycon with w-eng
m1 rina without w-eng
m6 soukaku with w-eng
prob rina, but you need boost PEN on other chars
@@antdeviantdisc 5 is enough?
and thx
id say, you can use Puffer Electro 2p AND disc5 PEN on dd characters(especially with Rina) almost always, if other stats already good.
If your Miyabi M2 and her crit rate in combat already 90%~, you can take Puffer Electro, instead of Woodpecker Electro.
Rina better than lycon and soukaku, but you need play her right and properly use her buffs.
i think disc5 is enough.
Anyways, the Diff between PEN/ATK not super big to care much.
@@antdeviant m2 miyabi oh lord thats far im looking for her w eng now and ill get it soon already have 2disc puffer and 1 of them is pen % thx for the advice and ur time👍
@@vMrCrAzY glad to be of help🤙
if your Miyabi m0 so its better to just build base (good crit rate 80%+ and crit dmg 110%+), forget about puffer electro and take Woodpecker electro for now :)
Nicole on top W
I play Corin. I want to do more impressive things with her.
I hate that these lists go from SS to A. Like can't we just have the normal S to D?
Anyway, some hot takes in here. The uptime on Nicole's buffs are painfully short that I can't see her being top tier and yes, I have M6. Soldier 11 and Billy are also overrated.
Soldier 11 is overrated here yeah
But she's currently the only strictly fire dps, so that counts for something
Next patch I'll be sure to correct it
bruh lighter does significantly more damage than qingyi. not you taking him off the dps list because of that suggestion😭
Koleda is better because she's a faster stunner she's the fastest stunner out of all the 3 standard stunners, lycoan is the best because of his ice shred
I dont think you can put characters that "dont do anything" in A tier
So technically all S now, easiest tier list ever created.
The game is balanced? No, it is not, peace is precious
Miyabi just absolutely ruins everything in terms of balance lol
That being said... the Ben slander! Boo
Why is Anton so low?
Powercrept
the game hands you a better Anton for free. He's the most superfluous unit
@chriz1865 everyone below SS is powercrept, what's your point?
@@ProtoTypeFM I don't thinks this tier list consider value for that argument to matter
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@@shi-chan5779 B U H B O O M
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Lycaon top of SS ty
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how come you have 4 s tiers and the lowest is A is thier like a meme behind ir or something?
It cant be possible the zzz community is this childish and pathetic that you had to make the tier list like this to avoid offending anyone?
He has been doing this ever since like 3.x of genshin, the lowest tier is always A
It's for the meme, chill out
@@aroix2667 it’s an inside joke, but we appreciate you implying Jstern is the face of the entire zzz community through this whiff
Come on bro don't act like a genshin/wuwa player.
solo character tiers out of context is not properly reflecting the strength of a character. It will always depend on the teams you can build around the character. Also depends on the mindscapes people have on the chars. M2 Zhuyuan beats M0 miyabi imo
holy L take bro
gonna cry because your favorite isn't where you like?
@@kaelferreira4964 Ben mains
these two comments are the start and end of any tierlists
@@kaelferreira4964 what a dumb assumption lmao
Gooner game tier list bruh
Best hoyo game cope
Ironic how it’s a “gooner game” but yet you still stumbled upon this video in your yt homepage or you deliberately searched this vid and still pressed it 💀💀💀
Still way too gooner to be taken seriously
@@mordakie3805 glad you have an opinion ;))
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