UTY Flowey benefits from the entire fight changing art styles with every phase, making the entire fight from start to finish feel uncanny and creepy, vanilla Undertale comes close at first but loses the immediate uncanniness pretty quickly
I feel like UT flowy is overall, much more chaotic and challenging since there is much more things on the screen and is harder compared to UTY flowey. I feel like the main phase should be a bit harder imo, but it looks much better for sure, not to mention the complete art style changes in UTYs. They both are good in their own ways, but I generally prefer UTs instead.
one key thing that makes og flowey more dangerous is the capacity to still act against the determination soul even though it still has the real control over the timeline unlike clovers justice soul (ignoring genocide clover the goat)
but like the yellow version is completely hopeless with literally zero chance of a real victory and the soul sections from the original and the other flowey’s show the soul sections start with a warning and the corresponding soul flashing on the tv while the flowey things start with flowey grabbing you and forcing you to choose which version for him you want to fight alongside a mocking “what would you like to do” finished with a “great” and the soul sections are relatively normal compared to the rest of the omega flowey fight while the other flowey’s are completely insane random and weird the soul sections end with you calling for help and freeing a soul from flowey’s control and the soul turns the attacks into healing the flowey sections end with you being returned to the fight and flowey giving you healing as maybe a sort of way to extend the fight even the fights end differently with omega flowey you call upon the souls and beat him in yellows fight flowey just gets bored and resets the game because he doesnt want an eternal fight
@larsthememelord3383 I guess your right But one thing we can take from this is how different he is in each game One where he's from the get go insane and realises he can be erased or saved whilst retaining his timeline knowledge(undertale og) And the latter with him in COMPLETE control as clover is a fixed point like all the monsters that will aways be predicted in what he can do As to why giga Chad clover(genocide) when killing flowey was reminded that its still floweys world and his endless deaths and resurrections are all that he has going for him
Um... I don't want to come off like this: 🤓 But there isn't a Determination soul in Canon Undertale the red soul has never been specied of what trait it holds so is up to interpretation. (Sorry for the bad english😅)
This comparison contrasts how op the red soul is. While the red soul is fighting flowey with 6 souls absorbed, Frisk still manages to hold on for the rest of the fight until the other souls come to help you out, clover doesn't have that luxury and is at the mercy of flowey because he doesn't have enough determination to fight flowey on equal ground. Flowey only lets Clover attack because it's all just a game to him. When he got tired at the end, he effectivally killed Clover without any efforts. Moral of the story: Red soul too op plz fix :)
no the reason that frisk can win and clover can’t is because clover is dead this is just a fight to see if flowey can absorb clover’s soul ( which is why clover’s soul can’t break, flowey wants to absorb you, not kill you) frisk is still alive in the omega flowey fight (so they can die unlike clover) moral of the story: you can’t win fights if you’re dead.
@@sergio_circoloide I don't think the fact that Clover is dead in og Undertale has anything to do with the outcome of UTY's neutral route. It's already shown that not every ending of the game results in the original game with the genocide ending, so what happens in the true future holds no weight on whether Clover wins a fight. They're just not determined enough to beat Flowey, not "the future cannot be changed" or whatever
I dunno why, but I find it themeatically fitting that, despite everything that Yellow's Flowey does, it never compares to Photoshop Flowey. He mimicks various artworks, but never matches Photoshop's look of... well, Photoshop. Realistic imagery compared to art.
@@b8conbear330creepier. Photoshop flowey is just ugly and creepy for a second. You really get very used to the design. Undertale yellow does much better
I feel like the art styles, approach, and mechanics are fitting for each situation. Meta Flowey takes place in Flowey’s subconscious, where all the nasty intrusive thoughts go to die. It’s cruel and bleak and destroyed, more dreamlike than Omega because for Flowey to be active in this torment, he may be sleeping and dreaming of pain. Both sides have lost, so it’s time to start fresh. Omega Flowey is patchwork, something constructed of a destroyed reality. He’s so close to victory, so he attacks with reckless excitement. He plays with his new souls like toys, and for that they turn against him.
Imo the OG Flowey fight is better. Don't get me wrong, the UTY Flowey fight isn't bad. The artstyle change adds a lot to the fight, and the way he's presented is creepier. But what makes me prefer the OG fight is that the story context gives the fight more of a punch. Flowey has been hellbent on killing you and stole the only chance you have at leaving the underground by killing asgore and destroying his soul and taking the human souls to add insult to injury. With that, he overrides your save just so that he can kill you over and over again. However, throughout the fight the other human souls help you. And when they come together to take down flowey it feels so cathartic. The one who was trying to screw you over and override your save is going down. You're taking down a godlike entity whose whole purpose is to tormet you. To take him down feels outright cleansing. But hey that's my opinion.
i feel like yellows fight is better because the protagonist doesn't have plot armor. you're already dead, you're just fighting to stop this goober from absorbing you while stuck in some nightmarish realm. the thought of actually winning never pops up because you can't do shit to this guy, its his mind. i also love how off putting phase 1 is, it's some twisted version of clovers memories. it already gives you the feeling that this beast is toying with you, which is only expressed harder throughout the fight
UT yellow Flowey: Inf Control over the timeline using every bit of determination they have to tear down the world into a Nightmare UT Flowey: his strongest Ability to shift the world was shifted by a Child of greater determination and His Second Source of power to overpower the determination by a bit being the souls are in constant denial of his control
Well no. 1. Flowey did have control over the timeline, but so did frisk. Also the fight was in floweys imagination since flowey absorbed clover. 2. His strongest ability was shifted because of us, the PLAYER. I doubt frisk would be strong at all if we never boarded frisk. Would’ve just died like the others. And the soul(s) are at constant denial at both versions. The UTY fight happens because clover is trying to resist floweys control
I absolutely love UTY, but it definitely doesn’t outdo Undertale. One was released in 2015, one in late 2023. Not to mention, without Undertale itself to build off of, UTY probably wouldn’t even exist, let alone be as good as it is.
I’m guessing there are at least a few fan games that he would consider “better” than his own work in certain aspects. I’d imagine a lot of the time he’d see something in a fan work and think “man, I should’ve done that in the actual game!” I sincerely doubt, though, that he thinks himself completely outdone by any one of these works. Undertale may not be as technically good as it theoretically could’ve been, but the execution of how to use the game to tell the story Toby wanted was best done by the man himself. Elements of any piece of art feed into the vision the creator has for it, thus if the creator has reached their vision, no one, no mater how superior in technical skill, can accomplish the vision more accurately than the creator themself.
Toby did greenlight the project himself all the way back in 2016 so I assume he always believed it was going to be great about the being outdone thing, I dont believe he ever feels "outdone" per se, just that he might find some idea in a fangame really good and maybe think "huh i coulda added that in the game" or something
To me UTY Flowey is a win through and through. No contest. Music is more to my liking, the visuals are more chaotic and creepy, all the switching artstyles... Hell, even the circumstances of the entire fight resonate with me. UT Flowey is about overcoming an impossible threat. It's hard, but doable and very cathartic. UTY Flowey? He literally plays with Clover. Like a creepy child that "plays" with ants with a magnifying glass. The feeling of hopelessness as he just gets bored and waves Clover a new chance to kill Asgore. Just... Chef's kiss The yellow striped petal stage really unnerves me to no end... This, plus "what would you like to do?" face with those creepy eyes... Flowey is a complete sicko, and UTY did much better job conveying that, IMO
Still prefer the original however that couldn’t really be helped as the original had much more emotional weight due to the circumstances and cost of losing
So does yellow, since flowey actually tries to absorb your soul and not just kill you over and over, when you die clovers soul fights back from the vines
I friggin love the fight against inner flowey for going more insane At the same time, nothing quite makes me feel things like the soul sections and turnaround against vanilla flowey (not like yellow's story is trying to do that sort of vibes tbf) Both goats in the end
Difficulty goes to original flowey Original flowers fight is more longer and chaotic yellows is guns vines and flowers in the main phase but in the other phases he is pretty difficult but original flowey throws things at you with variants of different attacks that are insanely fast like the weird flowers with teath the bombs the flamethrowers the vines the several pellets while trying to reach buttons and in yellow after a phase you automatically heal but it og you have to survive then touch the act to get healing but you have to get to the healing it definitely goes to og flowey
@@Superasian44yeah but you have more HP in the original. And the attacks do baby damage. The soul phases are also extremely easy to dodge. Maybe your argument would’ve stood if specimen clay and specimen polygon didn’t exist
Watching Clover's gun attack in Photoshop Flowey's fight and Clove in the UTY fight rlly makes me think that the souls are trying to fight flowey from inside and are just reliving their memories- OMG I'VE NEVR HAD SO MANY LIKES
Undertale Yellow changes a lot, anytime I see the Yellow soul or a cowboy hat or a gun in Undertale related things, my brain rewires to “Clover reference?!”
SPOILER WARNING: In the pacifiat ending there is a dialogue that says "Someone called for help" and "You answer the call" This ties back to the Omegaflowey fight, where you ask the souls for help.
@@willzsocial Yeah it is. Flowey even mocks you in the genocide ending when you kill him, laughing that it doesn't matter if you win this time, because you will end up dead in the castle anyway.
UTY flowey is the clear win for me, as not only did you leave out the first phase which is absolutely insane in all the right ways and is great in its own right, but the fight is just about 10x more unhinged and out there it’s uncanny. The different art styles make it much more creative and unhinged, I would quite honestly be surprised if the developers weren’t high when they were creating this monstrosity. Plus the musics just better in both phases.
6:22 This part of uty flowey made me feel like flowey was getting upset, Not at clover, But at us, Behind the screen as he looks directly at us then back to clover
undertale: what the fuck *a few minutes later* im still mentally scarred but this is fine undertale yellow: WHAT THE FUCK *a few minutes later* WHY IS FLOWEY A HEART
I’m realizing for yellow flowery, it may be kind of just showing whatever every single one of that fight would probably look like on different color 2:52 or material/look
@@Funkyleb that is propably true but gameplay wise omega cant kill you well sometime he does while yellow flowey can kill you making it harder in yellow flowey except when they actually fight then omega would 100% win
Tbh I think uty is the best undertale fangame because unlike literally every fangame except undertale green (if that exists) this is a full game with that classic undertale feel along with some new things added to it.
I just think UTY does everything photoshop did but better. The change of artstyles, the different phases, and the horror aspect. The tv and face of omega is good and all but it can only carry it so far when the tv constantly switches.
If you really think about it frisk only won because clover was helping them (oh and ig the other 5 souls too) and in UTY flowey just keeps attacking but can’t kill you looking at clover the whole time but then he looks up at YOU the player and realizes because of you he can’t kill clover and clover isn’t strong enough to beat flowey and since he doesn’t want to fight you for the rest of eternity (cause that would honestly be boring asf) he resets the timeline in hopes that if you do remember something you’ll choose a different outcome (vengeance or pacifist) because neutral will just cause a repeat of what just happened.
Undertale is better than Undertale Yellow overall, but I think UTY is better in some aspects, like how every enemy appears hurt when they're at half HP. Its a neat little detail. They also react to it, and react to you killing the other enemy if there were two or three enemies. I also think Nightmare Flowey (Undertale Yellow Flowey, I just made up a name since idk what he's call in game) is better than Omega Flowey in terms of uncannyness an design and the battle itself. And the Omega Flowey battle is the best part of the game to me. Undertale Yellow is like 80% as good as Undertale, which is very good especially for fanegame.
If I’m choosing over how terrifying between these two. It’s definitely Photoshop Flowey no question needs to be asked. The realistic look that doesn’t belong in Undertale. The whole fight is just all absolutely terrifying. But if I’m talking about creativity it’s by a long shot UTY Flowey. Just take in how creative everything about UTY Flowey really is. The many different art styles. You will be surprised because there will be new stuff literally every 30 seconds. Me personally I think Photoshop Flowey is by far better.
So according to Yellows lore Integrity is before , And Determination would be the last (aka the original) Cant wait to see someone developing Undertale BLUE where the true route is Netrual that connects to Yellow
@Ayhgkcgbhdgjj Genocide being the true ending? Nah.. Sure the integrity soul killed a few monsters but considering them a genocidal maniac is kind of a stretch imo. I'd say a no mercy neutral run should be the true ending. They just kill monsters that they encounter but never actually grind for them.
Omega Flowey is more cathartic and intense, and just plain better story-wise. It also scared me shitless back in the day, while Meta Flowey is just mildly creepy. Then again, I've played the original 7 years ago when I was a good bit younger and more impressionable, but "Meta" Flowey ironically doesn't go as meta as Omega Flowey and doesn't crash your game or destroy your saves before your eyes. That was the scariest part for me back in the day, when Flowey promised to save and reload my death. He never actually did this, but I didn't know that when fighting him! The idea of opening the game and the only thing you see is your character getting killed was very intimidating to me, the feeling of me not being good enough leading directly to their suffering. I still think some horror game should actually try this. Still, that's not to say the Meta Flowey fight isn't extremely impressive and a great callback to the original while still keeping things fresh and thrilling.
Exactly. People are just recently biased. They completely ignore literally everything that happens in the Omega Flowey fight and just say "Meta Flowey Better because Artstyle Switch" (Which is funny considering Artstyle Switch has been done 10000 times over and Omega Flowey's "He's beyond the game" idea is far better)
..... ..... That is literally the only reason Clover can end the game in one piece. In Genocide (unofficial) we literally overcome Floweys determination and take over HIS powers of loading.
Flowey's ability to save and load is literally the entire crux of Undertale Yellow's lore. It's one massive existential time loop. Reset after reset after reset, load after load after load, Flowey continuing again and again and again stacking the deck in his favor to try and pull the strings in just such a way that manipulates Clover into the outcome he wants, but he's unable to, and eventually just gives up, settling with True Pacifist and waiting for the next human (Frisk).
@@SSL_2004 I wonder if flowey was the main reason on clover donating his soul to the monsterkind,i mean we already see what happen if he decides to stay in the underground living a peacefully life with one of the characters... didn't end well
Meta Flowey is the Flowey I was waiting for after watching Photoshop Flowey... After absorbing 6 souls, it would seem that he became the God of the game and could do whatever he wanted, but in the end he is a simple boss in games who inspires fear and surprise, but then I don’t believe in his strength. Meta Flowey showed all the helplessness of the soul and how strong and powerful he is in the game, how determined he is. The fact that it was HE who savepoins us in the game worries us greatly, because now our savior wants to kill us.
the difference between the original flower and the yellow flower is that in the original they showed him as a madman who just goes crazy from his actions while something inside him resonates at the same time as the yellow flower contributes more to hopelessness, endless fear with a pinch of madness
Flowey with 0 souls: Asriel Flowey with 1 soul: Asriel Flowey with 2 souls: Flowey Flowey with 3 souls: Abomination Flowey with 4 souls: Abomination Flowey with 5 souls: Abomination Flowey with 6 souls: Abomination Flowey with 7 souls: Asriel
Yellow Omega Flowey wins against Photoshop Omega Flowey because it is not to long about the animations and the spinner with the justice ability to chose one of the theme's art style !It prove that MasterSword is not lazy at making animations for the neutral final boss!And making musics different for each theme's art style!MasterSword you could do a fangame about Kindness's adventure and what is it's final step !Agree with me?Just respond to prove it.
Omega flower takes the cake for me with his skin ish color and he as little mini side plays and they heal and it makes for a great finale battle and I love his music nothing beats it. Here’s why yellow doesn’t do it for me.. I know that he’s like very uncanny and creepy I don’t really see it the attacks aren’t that good and some I don’t get and I like how he’s changing every time. But I don’t get how he’s this powerful if this was before frisk fell so yea.
Okay, omega flowey in normal undertale is just 50 times easier but the fact that Undertale yellow has two faces made it almost imposible for me, i barely even defeated the level that looked like paper and the level that looked like old school
@@cgimichaelmyers2806 well, UTY flowey has changing art styles, and some of the attacks is just more creepy in my opinion. For me, the "what would you like to do" is just the most uncanny.
omega flowed isn’t a drawing, that’s the point. It’s an image created in photoshop, which is why it’s literally impossible to change the „artstyle“ without completely changing the fight.
omega flowey: 6 souls flowey: EXTREMELY high determination, based on the vines could be an entire hivemind, likely 5x bigger than omega flowey fully but omega flowey just wins cus of the souls and reset and stuff
To be honest, Barrier in underground is literally D4C Love Train dimensional wall, I'm interested if Johnny with Tusk 4 infinite spin would be able to break Undertale barrier.*
It is a good question both are equally powerful one takes place in floweys mind basically being everything he could be if he just tried harder and the other is flowey using the power of six human souls just one soul away from being a god
![Omega Heavy VS Kung fu Sniper [SFM]](/img/n.gif)
UTY Flowey benefits from the entire fight changing art styles with every phase, making the entire fight from start to finish feel uncanny and creepy, vanilla Undertale comes close at first but loses the immediate uncanniness pretty quickly
Yeah I kinda like this version more but to be fair UT Flowey came up with the idea so without it this version would never exist
I feel like UT flowy is overall, much more chaotic and challenging since there is much more things on the screen and is harder compared to UTY flowey. I feel like the main phase should be a bit harder imo, but it looks much better for sure, not to mention the complete art style changes in UTYs. They both are good in their own ways, but I generally prefer UTs instead.
By the end, the vanilla UT fight is more cathartic
UT flowey looks like an literal plant angel with those eyes and hes breaking put the game, while UTY flowey just stares at you.
the omega flowey fight is just cool at first but the music and everything abt undertale yellow flowey is better
I like how both of the troll moments appeared at 7:33
:troll:
But the Undertale yellow bossfight doesn't have a troll moment
@@jgonz0325 -_-
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@@jgonz0325they both had sounds related to troll or plushys
one key thing that makes og flowey more dangerous
is the capacity to still act against the determination soul
even though it still has the real control over the timeline unlike clovers justice soul (ignoring genocide clover the goat)
but like the yellow version is completely hopeless with literally zero chance of a real victory
and the soul sections from the original and the other flowey’s show
the soul sections start with a warning and the corresponding soul flashing on the tv while the flowey things start with flowey grabbing you and forcing you to choose which version for him you want to fight alongside a mocking “what would you like to do” finished with a “great”
and the soul sections are relatively normal compared to the rest of the omega flowey fight
while the other flowey’s are completely insane random and weird
the soul sections end with you calling for help and freeing a soul from flowey’s control and the soul turns the attacks into healing
the flowey sections end with you being returned to the fight and flowey giving you healing as maybe a sort of way to extend the fight
even the fights end differently with omega flowey you call upon the souls and beat him in yellows fight flowey just gets bored and resets the game because he doesnt want an eternal fight
@larsthememelord3383 I guess your right
But one thing we can take from this is how different he is in each game
One where he's from the get go insane and realises he can be erased or saved whilst retaining his timeline knowledge(undertale og)
And the latter with him in COMPLETE control as clover is a fixed point like all the monsters that will aways be predicted in what he can do
As to why giga Chad clover(genocide) when killing flowey was reminded that its still floweys world and his endless deaths and resurrections are all that he has going for him
One hundred and forty four P thumbs
Um... I don't want to come off like this: 🤓
But there isn't a Determination soul in Canon Undertale the red soul has never been specied of what trait it holds so is up to interpretation.
(Sorry for the bad english😅)
@@KB-qv2cbum actually there is a determination soul in UT when you save it says ‘You are filled with DETERMINATION’🤓👆
This comparison contrasts how op the red soul is. While the red soul is fighting flowey with 6 souls absorbed, Frisk still manages to hold on for the rest of the fight until the other souls come to help you out, clover doesn't have that luxury and is at the mercy of flowey because he doesn't have enough determination to fight flowey on equal ground. Flowey only lets Clover attack because it's all just a game to him. When he got tired at the end, he effectivally killed Clover without any efforts.
Moral of the story: Red soul too op plz fix :)
no the reason that frisk can win and clover can’t is because clover is dead
this is just a fight to see if flowey can absorb clover’s soul ( which is why clover’s soul can’t break, flowey wants to absorb you, not kill you)
frisk is still alive in the omega flowey fight (so they can die unlike clover)
moral of the story:
you can’t win fights if you’re dead.
@@sergio_circoloide I don't think the fact that Clover is dead in og Undertale has anything to do with the outcome of UTY's neutral route. It's already shown that not every ending of the game results in the original game with the genocide ending, so what happens in the true future holds no weight on whether Clover wins a fight. They're just not determined enough to beat Flowey, not "the future cannot be changed" or whatever
@@themustardman219 no i am saying that in undertale yellow right before this fight flowey kills clover
when clover is in the roof top flowey prevents the fight from happening than kills clover and absorbs clover’s soul this is what this fight is
Guns.
I dunno why, but I find it themeatically fitting that, despite everything that Yellow's Flowey does, it never compares to Photoshop Flowey. He mimicks various artworks, but never matches Photoshop's look of... well, Photoshop. Realistic imagery compared to art.
It isn’t meant to look like photoshop. This is in floweys head. He’s just toying with clover
It's still the same idea of changing art style off of Undertale.
same idea but different execution. i can respect what they tried to do here. it may not be photoshop but it is just as creepy
@@b8conbear330creepier. Photoshop flowey is just ugly and creepy for a second. You really get very used to the design. Undertale yellow does much better
@@gamercentral2417They're just stating their opinion
As creepy as Yellow Flowey is, the face on the TV screen still takes the cake for me
I always thought that was a grainy video of toby fox making funny faces.
@@FriskMeemur...is it not?
@@willzsocial It is
I feel like the art styles, approach, and mechanics are fitting for each situation.
Meta Flowey takes place in Flowey’s subconscious, where all the nasty intrusive thoughts go to die. It’s cruel and bleak and destroyed, more dreamlike than Omega because for Flowey to be active in this torment, he may be sleeping and dreaming of pain. Both sides have lost, so it’s time to start fresh.
Omega Flowey is patchwork, something constructed of a destroyed reality. He’s so close to victory, so he attacks with reckless excitement. He plays with his new souls like toys, and for that they turn against him.
Wait is Meta Flowey the official name of this boss in UTY?
Imo the OG Flowey fight is better. Don't get me wrong, the UTY Flowey fight isn't bad. The artstyle change adds a lot to the fight, and the way he's presented is creepier.
But what makes me prefer the OG fight is that the story context gives the fight more of a punch.
Flowey has been hellbent on killing you and stole the only chance you have at leaving the underground by killing asgore and destroying his soul and taking the human souls to add insult to injury. With that, he overrides your save just so that he can kill you over and over again. However, throughout the fight the other human souls help you. And when they come together to take down flowey it feels so cathartic. The one who was trying to screw you over and override your save is going down. You're taking down a godlike entity whose whole purpose is to tormet you. To take him down feels outright cleansing.
But hey that's my opinion.
i feel like yellows fight is better because the protagonist doesn't have plot armor. you're already dead, you're just fighting to stop this goober from absorbing you while stuck in some nightmarish realm. the thought of actually winning never pops up because you can't do shit to this guy, its his mind. i also love how off putting phase 1 is, it's some twisted version of clovers memories. it already gives you the feeling that this beast is toying with you, which is only expressed harder throughout the fight
But hey that’s just an opinion a game opinion
@@bottelofwaterbeat me to it
The original fight is better in every way, yea
imo
@@cementchewerFrisk was literally demolished multiple times in the fight. What plot armor they got.
UT yellow Flowey: Inf Control over the timeline using every bit of determination they have to tear down the world into a Nightmare
UT Flowey: his strongest Ability to shift the world was shifted by a Child of greater determination and His Second Source of power to overpower the determination by a bit being the souls are in constant denial of his control
Talk about being nerfed goddamn
yea because that same child had the dt soul genius. who knows what he would have done if it was another human
He wasnt nerfed, he just went against a greater force@@TheOneWhoCares.
His Dt was overwhelmed by Frisk when they first comes to the Underground
Well no.
1. Flowey did have control over the timeline, but so did frisk. Also the fight was in floweys imagination since flowey absorbed clover.
2. His strongest ability was shifted because of us, the PLAYER. I doubt frisk would be strong at all if we never boarded frisk. Would’ve just died like the others. And the soul(s) are at constant denial at both versions. The UTY fight happens because clover is trying to resist floweys control
Wonder what Toby thinks of this? Does he ever think he was outdone by any fangame?
Original no fan game will ever surpass such a masterpiece >:) just made on more modern pieces than 8 years ago as it is, she's just good
I absolutely love UTY, but it definitely doesn’t outdo Undertale. One was released in 2015, one in late 2023. Not to mention, without Undertale itself to build off of, UTY probably wouldn’t even exist, let alone be as good as it is.
I’m guessing there are at least a few fan games that he would consider “better” than his own work in certain aspects. I’d imagine a lot of the time he’d see something in a fan work and think “man, I should’ve done that in the actual game!”
I sincerely doubt, though, that he thinks himself completely outdone by any one of these works. Undertale may not be as technically good as it theoretically could’ve been, but the execution of how to use the game to tell the story Toby wanted was best done by the man himself.
Elements of any piece of art feed into the vision the creator has for it, thus if the creator has reached their vision, no one, no mater how superior in technical skill, can accomplish the vision more accurately than the creator themself.
@@himynameismax7516 Perfect response!
(Slight spelling mistake at the end there, you typed too fast)
Toby did greenlight the project himself all the way back in 2016
so I assume he always believed it was going to be great
about the being outdone thing, I dont believe he ever feels "outdone" per se, just that he might find some idea in a fangame really good and maybe think "huh i coulda added that in the game" or something
To me UTY Flowey is a win through and through. No contest. Music is more to my liking, the visuals are more chaotic and creepy, all the switching artstyles... Hell, even the circumstances of the entire fight resonate with me. UT Flowey is about overcoming an impossible threat. It's hard, but doable and very cathartic. UTY Flowey? He literally plays with Clover. Like a creepy child that "plays" with ants with a magnifying glass. The feeling of hopelessness as he just gets bored and waves Clover a new chance to kill Asgore. Just... Chef's kiss
The yellow striped petal stage really unnerves me to no end... This, plus "what would you like to do?" face with those creepy eyes... Flowey is a complete sicko, and UTY did much better job conveying that, IMO
But without Undertale there would be no Undertale Yellow
Undertale yellow is logically better because it's recent
@@goldasintheore what point are you trying to make with that
@@Swarps any point that works
@@goldasintheore we all know dude,its the og but uty in many eyes surpasses ut
Still prefer the original however that couldn’t really be helped as the original had much more emotional weight due to the circumstances and cost of losing
So does yellow, since flowey actually tries to absorb your soul and not just kill you over and over, when you die clovers soul fights back from the vines
1 thing in favour of UTY Flowey(he can actually kill you in ,,soul" battle mode )while the original simply cannot
Actually, original can kill, he just doesn't wants to. So he keeps reviving player, as torture.
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No i mean in the ,,Soul" phase when you are fighting the different dead humans weapons you can't die to them.
@@zeo4481 ur fighting flowey not souls, souls simply dont want u to die
@@zeo4481Fun fact: the souls don't last forever, and will continue the fight as normal making you have to redo the ENTIRE soul phase again
I friggin love the fight against inner flowey for going more insane
At the same time, nothing quite makes me feel things like the soul sections and turnaround against vanilla flowey (not like yellow's story is trying to do that sort of vibes tbf)
Both goats in the end
Yellow's pacifist actually leads to the og omega flowey, which means that clover and flowey have beef that exists beyond death.
@@NovaDog-gz4ye I actually wasn't going for that, but man that does sound clever from that perspective
@@NovaDog-gz4ye Lmao that shouldn't have made me laugh so hard but it did
Forty two thumbs
In terms of creepiness I feel like Yellow takes the win.
Though in terms of difficulty I'd say its a tie.
Well, yellow has the first phase flowey fight as well.
Everything in Yellow is harder
In terms of difficulty is a tie???
Difficulty goes to original flowey
Original flowers fight is more longer and chaotic yellows is guns vines and flowers in the main phase but in the other phases he is pretty difficult but original flowey throws things at you with variants of different attacks that are insanely fast like the weird flowers with teath the bombs the flamethrowers the vines the several pellets while trying to reach buttons and in yellow after a phase you automatically heal but it og you have to survive then touch the act to get healing but you have to get to the healing it definitely goes to og flowey
@@Superasian44yeah but you have more HP in the original. And the attacks do baby damage. The soul phases are also extremely easy to dodge.
Maybe your argument would’ve stood if specimen clay and specimen polygon didn’t exist
Watching Clover's gun attack in Photoshop Flowey's fight and Clove in the UTY fight rlly makes me think that the souls are trying to fight flowey from inside and are just reliving their memories- OMG I'VE NEVR HAD SO MANY LIKES
Undertale Yellow changes a lot, anytime I see the Yellow soul or a cowboy hat or a gun in Undertale related things, my brain rewires to “Clover reference?!”
SPOILER WARNING:
In the pacifiat ending there is a dialogue that says "Someone called for help" and "You answer the call"
This ties back to the Omegaflowey fight, where you ask the souls for help.
i’d say this proves pacifist as canon in UTY?
@@willzsocial Yeah it is. Flowey even mocks you in the genocide ending when you kill him, laughing that it doesn't matter if you win this time, because you will end up dead in the castle anyway.
UT flowey: I HAVE ALL THE HUMAN SOULS!!!😈
UTY flowey: what would you like to do?
GrEaT! 🌼🙃
UTY flowey is the clear win for me, as not only did you leave out the first phase which is absolutely insane in all the right ways and is great in its own right, but the fight is just about 10x more unhinged and out there it’s uncanny. The different art styles make it much more creative and unhinged, I would quite honestly be surprised if the developers weren’t high when they were creating this monstrosity. Plus the musics just better in both phases.
Hasn't the idea of switching artstyles been done 100 times over in different forms of Media
In Lore Context Omega Flowey is far more original
So, can we call original Undertale "Undertale Red"? Since... you know, red soul and stuff
Its undertale classic just as coca cola red is coca cola classic
Undertale red is a famgame
Undertale red. I haven't heard that name in a long time
No because undertale Red is for Red you know the fanmade Red
A curious fact is that there is a type of reference of Red (the character we fight in a unitale mod) in undertale yellow
if comes to chaos og wins, with stuff like being creative with phases Undertale Yellow wins
conclusion: both are good in their own way
i feel like this can go as a meme of some kind like:
Average Vanilla Undertale Fan:
Average Undertale Yellow Fan:
Yellow Flowey is way more creepy. Like, Jesus!
6:22 This part of uty flowey made me feel like flowey was getting upset, Not at clover, But at us, Behind the screen as he looks directly at us then back to clover
He litterally see us on screen see the eye basta
@@InfoCahKeneeye Basta
UTY Flowey: communicate 7:05 UT Flowey UTTER CHAOS 7:05
undertale:
what the fuck
*a few minutes later*
im still mentally scarred but this is fine
undertale yellow:
WHAT THE FUCK
*a few minutes later*
WHY IS FLOWEY A HEART
I love how undertale yellow one is Uncanny and horrifying while Undertale fight is just fucking nuts and pure madness
I’m realizing for yellow flowery, it may be kind of just showing whatever every single one of that fight would probably look like on different color 2:52 or material/look
photoshop flowey vs fentanyl flowey
I adore how flowey's troll face and yellow flowey's clover face are at almost the exact same time
It would be the end of the world if they both got into a fight
He)
If he and he got into a fight
Pretty sure omega flowey would destory uty if they thought
Yes your right
@@Funkyleb that is propably true but gameplay wise omega cant kill you well sometime he does
while yellow flowey can kill you making it harder in yellow flowey
except when they actually fight
then omega would 100% win
I will never see the yellow soul (now clover) like the same in undertale again xd
Same
Yellow: 🔫🔫🔫🤖🤡🫀👁📄👹
OG:💀
Tbh I think uty is the best undertale fangame because unlike literally every fangame except undertale green (if that exists) this is a full game with that classic undertale feel along with some new things added to it.
Undertale green when
yea when i wanna be a chef man with a frying pan protecting myself
Idk if they actually dropped development for the game
actually my favorate soul is propably justice and here are the three keys too get a gun G U N
Undertale Nosebleed
Undertale Piss
Undertale Vomit
@@Space_type_off_dude2 same for favorite soul
he definitely doesn’t know that he has a dash when fighting with flowey
I just think UTY does everything photoshop did but better.
The change of artstyles, the different phases, and the horror aspect.
The tv and face of omega is good and all but it can only carry it so far when the tv constantly switches.
If you really think about it frisk only won because clover was helping them (oh and ig the other 5 souls too) and in UTY flowey just keeps attacking but can’t kill you looking at clover the whole time but then he looks up at YOU the player and realizes because of you he can’t kill clover and clover isn’t strong enough to beat flowey and since he doesn’t want to fight you for the rest of eternity (cause that would honestly be boring asf) he resets the timeline in hopes that if you do remember something you’ll choose a different outcome (vengeance or pacifist) because neutral will just cause a repeat of what just happened.
Undertale is better than Undertale Yellow overall, but I think UTY is better in some aspects, like how every enemy appears hurt when they're at half HP. Its a neat little detail. They also react to it, and react to you killing the other enemy if there were two or three enemies. I also think Nightmare Flowey (Undertale Yellow Flowey, I just made up a name since idk what he's call in game) is better than Omega Flowey in terms of uncannyness an design and the battle itself. And the Omega Flowey battle is the best part of the game to me.
Undertale Yellow is like 80% as good as Undertale, which is very good especially for fanegame.
In my opinion, I think UTY improved on many things undertale didn't, side quests, characters (arguable), gameplay especially
He's apparently called Meta Flowey, according to the wiki atleast
2:40 Perfect sync
If I’m choosing over how terrifying between these two. It’s definitely Photoshop Flowey no question needs to be asked.
The realistic look that doesn’t belong in Undertale. The whole fight is just all absolutely terrifying.
But if I’m talking about creativity it’s by a long shot UTY Flowey.
Just take in how creative everything about UTY Flowey really is. The many different art styles. You will be surprised because there will be new stuff literally every 30 seconds.
Me personally I think Photoshop Flowey is by far better.
So according to Yellows lore
Integrity is before , And Determination would be the last (aka the original)
Cant wait to see someone developing Undertale BLUE where the true route is Netrual that connects to Yellow
Wouldn’t that make undertale blue’s genocide route the true
@@Ayhgkcgbhdgjj Genocide? There’s monsters still alive, so they probably did neutral.
@@Ayhgkcgbhdgjj…nice
@@Ayhgkcgbhdgjj I guess thats fair
@Ayhgkcgbhdgjj
Genocide being the true ending? Nah.. Sure the integrity soul killed a few monsters but considering them a genocidal maniac is kind of a stretch imo. I'd say a no mercy neutral run should be the true ending. They just kill monsters that they encounter but never actually grind for them.
Omega Flowey is more cathartic and intense, and just plain better story-wise. It also scared me shitless back in the day, while Meta Flowey is just mildly creepy. Then again, I've played the original 7 years ago when I was a good bit younger and more impressionable, but "Meta" Flowey ironically doesn't go as meta as Omega Flowey and doesn't crash your game or destroy your saves before your eyes. That was the scariest part for me back in the day, when Flowey promised to save and reload my death. He never actually did this, but I didn't know that when fighting him! The idea of opening the game and the only thing you see is your character getting killed was very intimidating to me, the feeling of me not being good enough leading directly to their suffering. I still think some horror game should actually try this. Still, that's not to say the Meta Flowey fight isn't extremely impressive and a great callback to the original while still keeping things fresh and thrilling.
Exactly. People are just recently biased. They completely ignore literally everything that happens in the Omega Flowey fight and just say "Meta Flowey Better because Artstyle Switch" (Which is funny considering Artstyle Switch has been done 10000 times over and Omega Flowey's "He's beyond the game" idea is far better)
Thing is og flowey has the power to save and load while Yellow, does not.
..... ..... That is literally the only reason Clover can end the game in one piece.
In Genocide (unofficial) we literally overcome Floweys determination and take over HIS powers of loading.
@@zeo4481 Jokes on you, I did a deathless playthrough!
Flowey's ability to save and load is literally the entire crux of Undertale Yellow's lore. It's one massive existential time loop. Reset after reset after reset, load after load after load, Flowey continuing again and again and again stacking the deck in his favor to try and pull the strings in just such a way that manipulates Clover into the outcome he wants, but he's unable to, and eventually just gives up, settling with True Pacifist and waiting for the next human (Frisk).
@@SSL_2004 I wonder if flowey was the main reason on clover donating his soul to the monsterkind,i mean we already see what happen if he decides to stay in the underground living a peacefully life with one of the characters... didn't end well
OG Flowey uses saves and loads and yellow doesn't. Both are more than capable of doing so. Omega Flowey just better
I love how while flowey is sparing and just talking to clover on the right, to the left Frisk’s getting tortured.
7:20
Ah yes, quite the failing spectacle
I like using the term "GIMP Flowey"
Considering how long ago Undertale was made, both battles are pretty damn cool.
Well it's clear which one's harder. Try beating Flowey without asking the souls for help. It's harder than Megalovania!
Undertale Yellow: More animated
Undertale: more horryfying
For a bit of differentiation, the most common name used is Meta Flowey for Undertale: Yellow.
the scariest one is definetly Paper flowey
4:53 Clover + Clover = CloverSchlover
Meta Flowey is the Flowey I was waiting for after watching Photoshop Flowey... After absorbing 6 souls, it would seem that he became the God of the game and could do whatever he wanted, but in the end he is a simple boss in games who inspires fear and surprise, but then I don’t believe in his strength. Meta Flowey showed all the helplessness of the soul and how strong and powerful he is in the game, how determined he is. The fact that it was HE who savepoins us in the game worries us greatly, because now our savior wants to kill us.
the difference between the original flower and the yellow flower is that in the original they showed him as a madman who just goes crazy from his actions while something inside him resonates at the same time as the yellow flower contributes more to hopelessness, endless fear with a pinch of madness
in 1 fight you are alive, fighting against your fate. in another one you fight the one fighting the fate
Flowey with 0 souls: Asriel
Flowey with 1 soul: Asriel
Flowey with 2 souls: Flowey
Flowey with 3 souls: Abomination
Flowey with 4 souls: Abomination
Flowey with 5 souls: Abomination
Flowey with 6 souls: Abomination
Flowey with 7 souls: Asriel
holy smokes the gun in omega flowey's fight shoots clovers
Not to mention the uty flowey theme hits different
proof that photoshop flowey is stronger than nightmare flowey
Well, one has all the souls except red, and the other is just a fight happening in one's mind
Fun Fact : You’re able to reset in the omega flowey phase
It's shown directly in the game that Flowey is the one that resets
The thing that fucked me up with the UTY fight is the fact that his eyes literally follow your soul
Flowey: What Would You Like To Do
In my ear i only hear CHAOS CHAOS AND YOUR WORLD IS FANTASY
But you don't ever think of being free, free?
As someone who has actually BEATEN omega Flowey, the boss is a lot easier than it looks
Frisk:😎
Clover:💀
CLOVER 20LV EASY DEFEAT 3500HP 🤓
FRISK LV 14 _15 😈 EASY DEFEAT 30KHPS 💀
@@TV_MURDER2 si xd
@@TV_MURDER2 frisk was lvl 2-1
@@Gigamaxtheking 👆🙂
@@TV_MURDER2 BRUH I DIDNT NOTICED YOU LOL
UTY flower music and fight hits very hard (means for me Uty flower better AGAIN FOR ME MY OPINION)
Undertale 1 Is Not Bad
Undertale 2 Is So Good
Bro wtf frusk littetally Dodge a nuclear bomb💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Edit:i just realize that omega flowey spam save and load💀💀💀
Seems like flowey doesn't like idea of Clover being Determined.
Wonder why
Omega flowey undertale yellow flowey
👇 👇
Who do you think is better
UTY flowey has amazing music
Yellow Omega Flowey wins against Photoshop Omega Flowey because it is not to long about the animations and the spinner with the justice ability to chose one of the theme's art style !It prove that MasterSword is not lazy at making animations for the neutral final boss!And making musics different for each theme's art style!MasterSword you could do a fangame about Kindness's adventure and what is it's final step !Agree with me?Just respond to prove it.
Undertale yellow flowey has the advantage of being inside his own mind for the fight
"What You Got?"
"Wait..."
Omega flower takes the cake for me with his skin ish color and he as little mini side plays and they heal and it makes for a great finale battle and I love his music nothing beats it. Here’s why yellow doesn’t do it for me.. I know that he’s like very uncanny and creepy I don’t really see it the attacks aren’t that good and some I don’t get and I like how he’s changing every time. But I don’t get how he’s this powerful if this was before frisk fell so yea.
In the opinion of someone who defeated both (me)
Yellow Flowey was much more difficult for me than Omega Flowey
Okay, omega flowey in normal undertale is just 50 times easier but the fact that Undertale yellow has two faces made it almost imposible for me, i barely even defeated the level that looked like paper and the level that looked like old school
I swear UTY flowery is 60 times creepier than omega flowey
I disagree, UT Flowey has the TV face plus the body horror aspects.
@@cgimichaelmyers2806 well, UTY flowey has changing art styles, and some of the attacks is just more creepy in my opinion. For me, the "what would you like to do" is just the most uncanny.
if omega flowey had an rework drawing of him by toby,It would be a nightmare fuel
because the drawing of omega is too old now, that is why am saying omega flowey is more creepier
omega flowed isn’t a drawing, that’s the point. It’s an image created in photoshop, which is why it’s literally impossible to change the „artstyle“ without completely changing the fight.
Yellow omega flowey = 5 human souls omega flowey = 6 human souls
Imagine flowey in other souls undertale
omega flowey uses all 6 six souls
also meta flowey using the 5 souls and all flowey test corpses
Meta doesn’t use the souls, since he doesn’t have them. The reason he’s like this in the fight is because it takes place in his mind.
ur late bro
i already noticed that
Uty is easier and u actually choose your (soul) to fight it by shooting and instead of finding a button your actually shoot which is creative
One is *WAY* scarier then the other
Yeah UTY slams no dif
@@gamercentral2417nah photoshop flowey man
@@Snarky910 photoshop flowey isn’t scary. Just kinda creepy design and it’s carried by the TV face and mouth
omega flowey: 6 souls
flowey: EXTREMELY high determination, based on the vines could be an entire hivemind, likely 5x bigger than omega flowey fully
but omega flowey just wins cus of the souls and reset and stuff
Mesmo o do flowey de Undertale yellow sendo mais bonito e "assustador" o do omega Flowey é muito mais emocionante
I can’t even hear omega floweys theme
Undertale yellow look like steel ball run…
To be honest, Barrier in underground is literally D4C Love Train dimensional wall, I'm interested if Johnny with Tusk 4 infinite spin would be able to break Undertale barrier.*
Right:😡😡😡😡😡🙂😇
Left:👹👹👺👹👺👹👺👹👺👹👺
I bet everyone will watch yellow cuz everybody knows omega
Ok so I just finished the UTY Neutral route and idk why but Yellows flowey took me 56 attempts while UT flowey took me 1
Undertail yellow omega, flowery is actually called meta-flower
I can see why Yellow took 7 years to make
It is a good question both are equally powerful one takes place in floweys mind basically being everything he could be if he just tried harder and the other is flowey using the power of six human souls just one soul away from being a god
Yellow flowy looks undynamic because of small number of shells
Music goes to original omega flowey.
Photoshop Flowey walked so UTY Flowey could run.
Omega Flowey's attacks hits more difficul