Even when she was not there, I thought"Take what you can get", the show was so good I'd watch it anyway without her. I admit I like the show better with her. She was the smartest one on the panel, though the others were smart too. but,, she had them beat in the I. Q. department I believe.
Don't know that Dorothy had a Steve Allen or Fred Allen or Tony Randall (a scholar in a number of fields) or Paul Winchell (a brilliant inventor) or Arlene Francis or Martin Gabel or Bennett Cert beat on IQ or in depth and breadth of education. BUT, and this is a biggie, she was intelligent and shrewd and a fine crime journalist, writer who learned the ropes on her own thus her questioning was that of someone who's very livelihood depended upon her getting to the truth before the cops or the other reporters did. I sincerely hope that brilliance is not what killed her. We'll never know what she knew.
There have been times along the show (however) in which I (seriously) wonder if in which she was helped out and along... . 😬😬 And yet if memory serves she.. ... failed to (instantaneously) nail a handful of some of the most recognizable voices *EVER* ,!.. Including if memory serves, Victor Borge, George Burns, and Vincent Price (!) 😬😬😬😐🤨😬😐😬😬🤔
@@drumbum3.142 It's considered sacrilege among fans but I agree with you. She was somehow tipped off sometimes. In this episode, she goes almost immediately from "airplane" to "hurricane hunter." She often makes incredible leaps of logic.
I’m truly convinced she was murdered. There are several people who were killed under the hand of the Kennedys and/or our government. Marilyn Monroe, Mary Jo Kopechne, Dorothy Killgallen, Martha Moxley, just to name a few…
+Anthony But please note that when (the) men (here) talked about topics of their special interest the women here and probably at those times didn't interrupt them the same way. It's always interesting to imagine behavior the other way round and you can suddenly see what' s behind it.
It's not a difference in the sexes thing; it's that talking about punctilious things regarding clothing is flat-out BORING reg- gardless of whom is bantering about it before a disinterested TV audience.
George Montgomery was good sport , his show had been canceled ,but the attention was on Ms. Shore and her show . At the end He and Dally looked forgotten while Kilgallen and Shore talked about the details of the dress worn earlier by Ms. Shore . I have to admire Montgomery for was with Ms. Shore at her death bed although they had long divorced and she had married and divorced another man . This after her involvement with Reynolds .
This is the second week they mentioned Moss Hart's autobiography, "Act One." Hart was a brilliant playwright and director, and later the husband of Kitty Carlisle Hart. His book is wonderful: warm, loving, honest (in admitting many of his own mistakes) and with one of the happiest, most joyful endings. Cerf said they had to pull the first print draft, because the editor in charge was so fascinated by the story that many mistakes were overlooked.
Getting paid $750 to sit on the panel for one night a week for one hour was delicious money in 1959. One could rent a 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan for $150/month at the time. In fact, in 2019 it's still delicious money, but went much further back then.
@@shirleyrombough8173 I checked a money converter (online) and in 1960, 650. would be worth about 7,500. today. Also today, average rent for a 2 bedroom in Manhattan is around 5,000.
Quick! Get me a time machine to my old hometown of NYC in October 1959 with me as an adult and working a blue collar job with the subway, bus, the 3 electric bus lines in Brooklyn all at the cost of 15 cents per ride and 1 dollar bought you a great big pizza pie! I also want to get my late uncle combination record player TV set for my living room. But at that time I was only a 3year old boy.
Loved that show as a kid. Thought it was hilarious when Lucille Ball (with a nearby sound stage) would cameo as a crabby, pissed-off employee and bring them coffee and water and such while complaining the whole time.
In 1988 a mugger ripped it from her neck leaving her with a broken collar bone and scratches and bruises. She wore it for 40 years. After she said “Martin is gone and now it is gone too”!!! TERRIBLY SAD
Was there another hurricane hunter contestant? I thought I had left a comment a few years ago. Anyway, a big "bravo" to the pilots who risked their lives in order to track these storms so that the public on land could be better prepared. Before weather satellites, they had to do it the hard way. And this is not ancient history, at least to me; I was a young boy when this aired originally.
I believe there was. The panel spent quite a long time trying to figure out what kind of plane he flew once they were told he didn't fly jets. These days we're accustomed to satellites, and getting a somewhat accurate forecast a day or two ahead of time. But in those days it required people flying into bad weather to predict when hurricanes or blizzards were about to overwhelm communities. Many people owe those men a huge debt. Too many occupations were repeated over and over, and sometimes the panel figured out the answer simply because they had seen that occupation three or four times.
I edon't know about that [you a meteorologist?] but Arlene Francis lived far longer than any other per son on WML. She didn't pass away until May of 2001.
I never knew about Dorothy until Years after her death so sorry that she was killed she was so beautiful and smart , love the way she greeted the people on the show and the questions she asked
I absolutley adored Dinah as a kid and early teenager. No woman since her has had the class she portrayed on the air. Now, as an adult, I can see why I liked her so much then. I like her now too. I only hope she was as nice in person as she was on the air. Unfortunately, too many stars are not.
From anything I have heard about her, she was a very good person. When I was a teenager, I liked her, too...still do, albeit posthumously. She had a very warm, gregarious personality. A far cry from current Hollywood.
Burt Reynolds told her, while a quest on her later show, that whenever he needed to exhibit some, Class, Manners and Style, he would reach into his "Dinah Bag". A shame that the public turned on that relationship, because they really had feelings for each other.
George Montgomery was the most well- equipped, talented, charming, and drop- dead handsome mati- nee idol type to never achieve super star status. (When God was handing out the large, masculine hands, HE certainly didn't overlook George Montgomery!)
I believe you, cuz the way George looks in the clip that shows what choices to watch is exactly what made me choose this one, though I admire Dinah and I love WML shows that I recently discovered as a pleasantly from the past, and am becoming addicted to! But, I had never heard of George Montgomery until today! Wow, just watching this clip of him makes me think that we all missed out! I conclude that it must actually have been Dinah who was the genius to marry a guy like George!!! :)
Dinah Shore -- a talent worth its weight in platinum. She hosted one of the best variety shows -- ever. As alluded to in this clip, it was one of the first NBC variety shows to broadcast regularly in color. It is a shame WML and CBS did not go to color earlier.
Loved that show as a kid. Thought it was hilarious when Lucille Ball (with a nearby sound stage) would cameo as a crabby, pissed-off employee and bring them coffee and water and such while complaining the whole time...
Katie Hoffman Dorothy Kilgallen was a woman of extreme intelligence, and intuition as well. Pity she didn't unfold her brightness in more valuable fields. She was great at investigations concerning certain political scandals, and there has been a lot of speculations around her death. She had a lot of enemies because of her writings. An high IQ doesn't guarantee a high level of wisdom. The latter has in the long run been proven as the most important matter in life.
Just for the record Lee Israel was a noted author who was later discovered to be a literary forger, thief and eventually a convicted felon. Whatever she reported about Dorothy Kilgallen was done to sensationalize her book and should NOT be taken as the truth. I agree with SuperWinterborn "a high IQ doesn't guarantee a high level of wisdom." I think we can all agree Kilgallen was a good game player.
I remember Montgomery belittling her on her show and I didn't like that, but after the commercial he apologized . So I didn't hate him as much. He thought he was at home apparently ?
One time Montgomery was on Dinah's talk show and he was correcting her like she was stupid he was almost angry with her (They had been Divorced ) I thought what the hell's wrong with him ? So after the commercial he redeemed him self by apologizing to the audience. I thought good for him, he learned his lesson.
@@hcombs0104 She was 53 and Burt was 35 when they met. Funny how an 18 year age difference caused such a huge flap, since if the sexes had been reversed, no one would’ve raised an eyebrow.
Notice how Mort Sahl in the moneybelt segment gets befuddled and had to pass sayimg at 12:22 "It's my own intellect. It's my downfall." Boy, someone had a high opinion of themselves!
s g Twitter? That's a non-starter. I limit my use of social media sites to those sites that wouldn't degrade me through association with users of poor upbringing or sensibilities, such as Miley Cyrus, and regrettably our President. This is indeed a brave new world. Not all social media sites should be used. Protect your integrity and reputation by choosing carefully where on the internet you go. I think my use of Twitter would dumb me down in record time.
But a brilliant political and societal satirist and comedian. My older brother and sister and my parents considered him scholarly with a biting wit. I was much younger and hooked on radio adventures, comics and baseball.
Dorothy was so darn smart with getting the answer correct with that Commander. I bet her I.Q. was in the 140 to 150 range ? Anyone know ? She would have been a great detective for the police.
@Jeepman89 In light of the DA's investigation in 2019 and refusal to bring criminal charges, I do not think that it can be said any longer that she died mysteriously.
John Daly mentions in passing that Mort Sahl has been on WML (as a guest panelist, he infers) before this show. What show was this and why isn't it on You Tube?
Amy Brown Thanks, Amy for responding, but I checked. The August 23, 1959 show has Van Heflin as the other male guest (in addition to Bennett) and I can only find a 4 minute/54 second clip of the first guest, Louis Morisette, host of the Canadian WML. If Mort is on another show (besides Dinah Shore MG/October 4, 1959) it is hiding somewhere other than You Tube.
The book Act One that Dinah mentions - if you want to fall in love with writing a Broadway play - or if you are interested in how something gets staged - it's brilliant. I read it every time I produce a new play written by me - 11 so far.
It is great to see Dorothy so happy! Dinah and George must have been very good friends with her. And she was her brilliant self again with that naval aviator.
Mort Sahl is the comedian who asked the question about Richard Nixon; "Would you buy a used car from this man?" It was perfect because NO, no one would buy a used anything from Nixon.
At 11:18 the 2nd contestant Mrs. Mann takes a sip of water . This is the first time i have seen this on WML . I wonder if they had water just in case and if someone changed glasses off camera in between contestants ?
Mort Sahl was married to a Chinese woman who was the first Chinese to be in a Playboy magazine. Yes! I am a baby boomer! She was literally a work of art. There was such a thing as nudity with class in those days. 1946 til 1964 The boomer generation was born at that time.
At the end of the show, Bennett asks how can a team score only one run on twelve hits. He was talking about Game 3 of the World Series and the exercise in futility by the Chicago White Sox in that game. They outhit the Dodgers 12 to 5 that day, but lost 3-1. (Earlier, it was mentioned that the Dodgers might need money belts the way things were going. They took the lead in the Series with the win this day.) The White Sox were not known for their offense. But they also were not known for squandering opportunities. They played small ball before the term was introduced. They were known as the "Go Go Sox". Led by Luis Aparicio who stole over 50 bases for the first time in his career (it was his fourth season, and he led the American League in steals in each of his first 9 seasons), they had dethroned the Yankees that year and had the best record in baseball during the regular season. But led by Ted Kluszewski in Game 1, the White Sox had flexed their muscles with an 11-0 victory and had been leading in Game 2 until Dodger bats woke up and eked out a 5-4 win. Now they were seeing the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum's lopsided baseball configuration for the first time, with left field's forty foot high screen only a hair over 250 feet away down the line. It was the first World Series game played on the West Coast and the first of only three (all in 1959) played before over 90,000 fans. Perhaps the Sox were affected adversely by all this. They were facing a tall, sidearming right-hander and future Hall of Fame member, Don Drysdale. He was only 23 years old but was already the ace of the staff, leading the team with 17 wins. He didn't start until Game 3 because of the tight NL pennant race and the two game playoff the Dodgers needed to win against the Braves. But it worked out well because he was especially tough on the right-hand batters who would be aiming at the left field fence. In addition to 12 hits (all singles), four Chicago batters walked and one was hit by a pitch. But Al Smith would hit into two double plays and three Sox base runners were gunned down on steal attempts. In the first inning, they loaded the bases with one out, but Sherm Lollar fouled out to third and Billy Goodman grounded out to first. In the second inning, Jim Rivera walked but was caught stealing. Then after the opposing pitcher, Dick Donovan, singled and Aparicio walked, Nellie Fox grounded out to end the inning. In the third, the Sox had back to back singles with two out, but Smith struck out. In the fourth inning, Aparicio was thrown out stealing and in the fifth Johnny Roseboro made Fox pay for his attempted larceny. In the sixth, Smith snuffed out a base runner with the first of his two double plays. In the seventh, the Sox again had two singles after two were out, but Jim Landis struck out and stranded them. Meanwhile Donovan was cruising along, having allowed only one base runner and faced the minimum 18 batters through 6 innings. (Gil Hodges had singled in the second, but was erased when Don Demeter grounded into a DP.) A journeyman until finding a home in the Sox starting rotation in 1955, Donovan struggled with injuries in the early going in 1959 and was only 9-10 during the regular season, his worst for Chicago. But he had the Dodgers eating out of his hand until one out in the seventh when Charlie Neal singled. After Wally Moon moved him to second with a ground ball to the right side of the infield, Donovan inexplicably lost his control, walking Norm Larker and Hodges. Al Lopez brought in Gerry Staley in relief and Walt Alston countered by sending up veteran Carl Furillo to bat for Demeter. It was a familiar match up as Staley had pitched in the National League from 1947-55, seven of those years as a starter, and Furillo was a mainstay of the Dodger lineup all those years. Staley was a sinker ball pitcher and he induced a ground ball from Furillo, but it found its way into center field and the Dodgers led 2-0. (Ironically Donovan relieved in Game 5 in the identical situation and got Furillo to pop out to preserve a 1-0 Sox win. But the Dodgers would win the Series in Game 6.) The Sox loaded the bases again in the eighth. Kluszewski and Lollar started the inning with singles and drove Drysdale for cover. Alston brought in his hot hand, rookie Larry Sherry, but he hit Goodman to fill the sacks. Chicago finally scored when Smith hit into his second DP, but Rivera's pop up to Roseboro stranded the tying run at third. The Dodgers got the run back in their half of the inning when Maury Wills led off with a single, moved to second on Sherry's bunt and scored on Neal's double. Sherry then struck out the side in the top of the ninth around Fox's single for the Sox' 12th and final hit. And that's how you score only one run on 12 hits, 4 walks and an HBP.
I sit here in complete awe of what you have written. Do you write all your sports informational comments yourself, and if so, have you ever considered writing a sports book? Or, in fact, HAVE you written a book?
@@richatlarge462 I co-authored a book on sports many years ago, brought into the project when the other author found himself running way behind schedule. But I wrote it under a very different name, so it would be almost impossible to prove it was by me. I write all of my comments myself, some totally from memory, some mostly memory but verified to make sure I avoid any Mandela effect, and some additional facts I find along the way because I know what to look for and where to look. It also helps that I am going on 68 years old, devoured sports books (especially baseball) as a child, have a very good memory and can remember facts from the 50's, 60's and 70's (and some from the early 80's and from before I was born), better than I can stuff from the last 30 years. When I had to start working for a living self-employed in the financial services field, I no longer had the time to devote to keeping track of all this information than I had as a child or young adult. (Plus there are many more teams now in all sports, with players coming from many different countries.)
Since, as I understand it, they all spent time conversing backstage after the show, I found Dorothy asking any guest or mystery guest about their clothes while a part of the program to be r as ther tacky. Do not remember Atlene doing that.
Yeah, but not a great game player. I hope there are not too many more episodes with him on the panel. Judging by so many guest panelists, I guess asking questions is a skill not everyone has. A legendary comedian for sure; you can't have it all!! :)
George Montgomery was a very multi-talented fellow. Actor, painter, director, producer, writer, sculptor, furniture craftsman, and stuntman. He & Shore were divorced just 4 years after this show. Mort Sahl couldn't decide if he was there to help the panel discover the contestant's "line" or to provide entertainment. He failed on both counts. Another comedian who was either a bore, an adolescent showoff or totally unfunny without a script.
@@Walterwhiterocks The WML producers underestimated their audience, I think. I know I find the episodes without "celebrities" on the panel far more entertaining and interesting than those where they have imported a film or TV star to 'fill-in' for a missing regular, or perhaps simply to add some 'star-glitter' to the panel. I will make an exception for Tony Randall; he was OK. Groucho Marx, Jerry Lewis, Victor Borge, Ernie Kovacs & most others were complete bores; entirely juvenile without a script written for them.
@@Baskerville22 Not really, but I'll agree he appeared quite often throughout the years as a guest panelist. I consider only Cerf, Ms. Francis, and Ms. Killgallen as the only true "regulars" on the panel. All that is beside the point, however, since we totally agree on your original observation.
It did. Broadcast live from NBC's Color City at the Burbank Studios. But for the beginning of the 1959-1960 season, Dinah and crew came to New York City for the first two shows.
Yes. Color videotape was used in Burbank starting late 1958. Even though this show was broadcast from New York, it was in color also. The whole show is up on TH-cam taken from a B&W kinescope but there's also a clip with Dinah and her special guest Groucho Marx in color which can be found here th-cam.com/video/ysSY1UJgKqE/w-d-xo.html JLTV.tv was broadcasting about 25 of the unseen since their original broadcast color videotape shows including this one, which also featured Gwen Verdon and Ingemar Johanssen, but I can't find the full color show on TH-cam.
The 1951-1963 series, first fifteen minutes long and then an hour, was also presented live and broadcast live through the 1960-1961 season, but saved on color videotape starting in late '58. In fact, there's a video clip dated from the November 9, 1958 episode which was broadcast for the first time in 1959. It's on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/DUTKl_z9474/w-d-xo.html. Occasionally they would do something tricky on the live broadcasts but at the end, they would announce that portions of the show were taped earlier and inserted into the live broadcast. For the last two seasons which were monthly specials, were taped live, with as few stops as possible, but broadcast later.
After having watched all the episodes and seasons in chronological order multiple times, this is one of the years I got so weary of the bullying behavior to John Daly for a couple of seasons. Took away much of the enjoyment for me.
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Not only was it a great show, it had great guests! Just loved Dinah Shore. So talented, beautiful, and natural!
When Dinah passed, Burt Reynolds (who dated her) said “The world has lost an Angel” And he was right !!!
And the #1 female vocalist of the 40s. Great lady in so many ways.
After Dorothy Kilgallen died, the program was not the same. There was so much chemistry between John, Bennett , Arlene and Dorothy. She was missed
@ Lolly Barnard - Great point! No doubt. Enjoying watching all the reruns. What an era.
Even when she was not there, I thought"Take what you can get", the show was so good I'd watch it anyway without her. I admit I like the show better with her. She was the smartest one on the panel, though the others were smart too. but,, she had them beat in the I. Q. department I believe.
Don't know that Dorothy had a Steve Allen or Fred Allen or Tony Randall (a scholar in a number of fields) or Paul Winchell (a brilliant inventor) or Arlene Francis or Martin Gabel or Bennett Cert beat on IQ or in depth and breadth of education. BUT, and this is a biggie, she was intelligent and shrewd and a fine crime journalist, writer who learned the ropes on her own thus her questioning was that of someone who's very livelihood depended upon her getting to the truth before the cops or the other reporters did. I sincerely hope that brilliance is not what killed her. We'll never know what she knew.
Philippa Pay I just want to say well stated! Thanks for your intelligent comment.
Lolly Barnard - I try not to watch the episodes after Dorothy was killed.
I think Dinah Shore was beautiful and talented and so graceful such a class act 💕
Dorothy truly was amazing. When the first contestant came out, I was certain the panel wouldn't guess his line. Never underestimate Dorothy Kilgallen!
she was razor sharp!
SHE looks like she is 12 years old
She’s also completely enamored with him.
Yep, if I was on the panel in 1959, I'd still be there trying to figure his line out.
She nailed it, I would never have gotten it.
Dorothy's simply brilliant !
There have been times along the show (however) in which I (seriously) wonder if in which she was helped out and along... . 😬😬
And yet if memory serves she.. ... failed to (instantaneously) nail a handful of some of the most recognizable voices *EVER* ,!.. Including if memory serves, Victor Borge, George Burns, and Vincent Price (!) 😬😬😬😐🤨😬😐😬😬🤔
@@drumbum3.142 It's considered sacrilege among fans but I agree with you. She was somehow tipped off sometimes. In this episode, she goes almost immediately from "airplane" to "hurricane hunter." She often makes incredible leaps of logic.
The reporter who knew too much by Mark Shaw, a must read For those of us so interested in Dorothy Kilgallen
Fascinating read. I'm a conspiracy theorist since birth.
Miss Dorothy was the best.
I’m truly convinced she was murdered. There are several people who were killed under the hand of the Kennedys and/or our government. Marilyn Monroe, Mary Jo Kopechne, Dorothy Killgallen, Martha Moxley, just to name a few…
Every time I look at this actor's generation I think ....CLASS ! Amazing, natural class pouring in their talk, fashion, glamour.
How sweet was that dress talk between Dorothy and Dinah while John was trying to interrupt them :) !
+Celisar1 Who could blame Him..just get women to talk about clothes and the guys are left out in the cold...
+Anthony
But please note that when (the) men (here) talked about topics of their special interest the women here and probably at those times didn't interrupt them the same way. It's always interesting to imagine behavior the other way round and you can suddenly see what' s behind it.
It's not a difference in the sexes thing; it's
that talking about
punctilious things
regarding clothing is
flat-out BORING reg-
gardless of whom
is bantering about it
before a disinterested TV audience.
These women are so intelligent
Dorothy really honed in on the hurricane man. She was the best player!
This is not the first Hurricane Hunter they'd had; I expect she remembered the previous one and decided to take a flyer.
@@erikbluefrog Why didn't other panelists recall it?
So,credit still goes to Dorothy.
George Montgomery was good sport , his show had been canceled ,but the attention was on Ms. Shore and her show . At the end He and Dally looked forgotten while Kilgallen and Shore talked about the details of the dress worn earlier by Ms. Shore . I have to admire Montgomery for was with Ms. Shore at her death bed although they had long divorced and she had married and divorced another man . This after her involvement with Reynolds .
This is the second week they mentioned Moss Hart's autobiography, "Act One." Hart was a brilliant playwright and director, and later the husband of Kitty Carlisle Hart. His book is wonderful: warm, loving, honest (in admitting many of his own mistakes) and with one of the happiest, most joyful endings. Cerf said they had to pull the first print draft, because the editor in charge was so fascinated by the story that many mistakes were overlooked.
Getting paid $750 to sit on the panel for one night a week for one hour was delicious money in 1959. One could rent a 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan for $150/month at the time. In fact, in 2019 it's still delicious money, but went much further back then.
James R - Or a beachfront apartment in Belmont Shore, Long Beach, CA
@@shirleyrombough8173 I checked a money converter (online) and in 1960, 650. would be worth about 7,500. today. Also today, average rent for a 2 bedroom in Manhattan is around 5,000.
Quick! Get me a time machine to my old hometown of NYC in October 1959 with me as an adult and working a blue collar job with the subway, bus, the 3 electric bus lines in Brooklyn all at the cost of 15 cents per ride and 1 dollar bought you a great big pizza pie! I also want to get my late uncle combination record player TV set for my living room. But at that time I was only a 3year old boy.
Exactly 💃💃💃💃💃
Only half an hour. Pretty good!
Introduction of Arlene: she was the first female guest Tonight Show host for both Jack Paar and then in the interrum between Paar and Carson.
Surprised to hear that , but then not really.
I remember her as an actress in the movie The Brass Bottle as Barbara Eden's mother with Tony Randall 1964.
Arlene did well on the money belt.
Dinah Shore is my favorite TV star of all time. muuwah!
She was a true sweetheart in real life
Loved that show as a kid. Thought it was hilarious when Lucille Ball (with a nearby sound stage) would cameo as a crabby, pissed-off employee and bring them coffee and water and such while complaining the whole time.
Good on you Dorothy 👏 👍 👌 ✝️
Loved Dinah when she died, although divorced, George was there with their kids.
Arlene is wearing her heart on a bracelet.
In 1988 a mugger ripped it from her neck leaving her with a broken collar bone and scratches and bruises. She wore it for 40 years. After she said “Martin is gone and now it is gone too”!!! TERRIBLY SAD
That is too sad!
George Montgomery and Dinah Shore were adorable. Especially when they answered together❤️!
Was there another hurricane hunter contestant? I thought I had left a comment a few years ago. Anyway, a big "bravo" to the pilots who risked their lives in order to track these storms so that the public on land could be better prepared. Before weather satellites, they had to do it the hard way. And this is not ancient history, at least to me; I was a young boy when this aired originally.
I believe there was. The panel spent quite a long time trying to figure out what kind of plane he flew once they were told he didn't fly jets.
These days we're accustomed to satellites, and getting a somewhat accurate forecast a day or two ahead of time. But in those days it required people flying into bad weather to predict when hurricanes or blizzards were about to overwhelm communities. Many people owe those men a huge debt.
Too many occupations were repeated over and over, and sometimes the panel figured out the answer simply because they had seen that occupation three or four times.
The previous hurricane hunter was Lt. Al Fowler, U.S. Navy, on the August 14, 1955 episode.
Arlene looks great tanned and blonde.
My parents had a large collection of Mort sahl albums
The name Arlene was used for a tropical storm the most times than any other name.
I edon't know about that [you a meteorologist?] but Arlene Francis lived far longer than any other per son on WML. She didn't pass away until May of 2001.
I never knew about Dorothy until Years after her death so sorry that she was killed she was so beautiful and smart , love the way she greeted the people on the show and the questions she asked
I absolutley adored Dinah as a kid and early teenager. No woman since her has had the class she portrayed on the air. Now, as an adult, I can see why I liked her so much then. I like her now too. I only hope she was as nice in person as she was on the air. Unfortunately, too many stars are not.
From anything I have heard about her, she was a very good person.
When I was a teenager, I liked her, too...still do, albeit posthumously. She had a very warm, gregarious personality. A far cry from current Hollywood.
Burt Reynolds told her, while a quest on her later show, that whenever he needed to exhibit some, Class, Manners and Style, he would reach into his "Dinah Bag". A shame that the public turned on that relationship, because they really had feelings for each other.
Love George and Dinah!!!!!
George Montgomery
was the most well-
equipped, talented,
charming, and drop-
dead handsome mati-
nee idol type to never
achieve super star
status. (When God was handing out the
large, masculine hands, HE certainly
didn't overlook George Montgomery!)
Always liked George Montgomery, particularly in Westerns, when I was but a mere lad. As you allude, he never quite made the 'A' list.
I believe you, cuz the way George looks in the clip that shows what choices to watch is exactly what made me choose this one, though I admire Dinah and I love WML shows that I recently discovered as a pleasantly from the past, and am becoming addicted to! But, I had never heard of George Montgomery until today! Wow, just watching this clip of him makes me think that we all missed out! I conclude that it must actually have been Dinah who was the genius to marry a guy like George!!! :)
George Montgomery was a good man stood by and cared for his wife Dinah Shore during her serious illness. This l read somewhere.
Dinah Shore -- a talent worth its weight in platinum. She hosted one of the best variety shows -- ever. As alluded to in this clip, it was one of the first NBC variety shows to broadcast regularly in color. It is a shame WML and CBS did not go to color earlier.
yeah love too see these old shows in color!
Yes I'd like to see all those dresses in colour 💖
Kasper Joonatan I’d like to see all those CARS in color!
I like the b&w. Takes me back to a magical youth, home and family I can appreciate anew. Time's a-wastin'.
Loved that show as a kid. Thought it was hilarious when Lucille Ball (with a nearby sound stage) would cameo as a crabby, pissed-off employee and bring them coffee and water and such while complaining the whole time...
I'm just wondering but what is Dorothy's IQ ? because she is really smart.
Katie Hoffman Dorothy Kilgallen was a woman of extreme intelligence, and intuition as well. Pity she didn't unfold her brightness in more valuable fields. She was great at investigations concerning certain political scandals, and there has been a lot of speculations around her death. She had a lot of enemies because of her writings. An high IQ doesn't guarantee a high level of wisdom. The latter has in the long run been proven as the most important matter in life.
According to her biography, written by Lee Israel, Dorothy's IQ was 140
Just for the record Lee Israel was a noted author who was later discovered to be a literary forger, thief and eventually a convicted felon. Whatever she reported about Dorothy Kilgallen was done to sensationalize her book and should NOT be taken as the truth. I agree with SuperWinterborn "a high IQ doesn't guarantee a high level of wisdom." I think we can all agree Kilgallen was a good game player.
My dad scored on his IQ test at genius level, but I think that socially, it has been more to his detriment, rather than an advantage.
@@jillgordon1003 Oh, thank you I typed out 140 to 150. That seems about right in my guessing.
I remember Montgomery belittling her on her show and I didn't like that, but after the commercial he apologized . So I didn't hate him as much. He thought he was at home apparently ?
For what it's worth, when she filed for divorce by the end of 1961, the grounds were for mental cruelty.
Dinah sounds just like June Foray, who was the voice of Rocky the flying squirrel. If I close my eyes, I can hear Rocky's voice when Dinah speaks.
You are tone deaf.
Mort Sahl looks like he could use a decent meal.
He’s a moron. At least as a panelist
One time Montgomery was on Dinah's talk show and he was correcting her like she was stupid he was almost angry with her (They had been Divorced ) I thought what the hell's wrong with him ? So after the commercial he redeemed him self by apologizing to the audience. I thought good for him, he learned his lesson.
I remember when Burt Reynolds was dating Dinah Shore..
So do I. What is your point?
It was a big deal at the time. Dinah was old enough to be his mother, and they were together for a while.
@@frederickrapp5396 My point is..."I REMEMBER WHEN BURT REYNOLDS WAS DATING DINAH SHORE...Whats your point?
To all of you, check out my comment above in the comments section! You will get your answer!
@@hcombs0104 She was 53 and Burt was 35 when they met. Funny how an 18 year age difference caused such a huge flap, since if the sexes had been reversed, no one would’ve raised an eyebrow.
Himicane. Bennet Cerf: Granddaddy of Dad Humor.
Mike Lima yes and yes!
Mike Lima - No, it's not awful. My dad's humor was on that level and we actually enjoyed it. This is just dad humor.
@@shirleyrombough8173 agreed. For that matter, it was considered witty to change history to herstory a few years ago.
Groan humour…sign of the times.😉
This Naval aviator flew a Lockheed C-121 super connie, kool!
W/ 4 Wright R-3350TC Turbo Compound radial enjines!
Must be my background but I can guess right the year by the female panellist’s hairstyles
Even though they were divorced for a long time I read George and their children were with Dinah when she passed.
The name "Arlene" will return for the 2017 North Atlantic Season.
Notice how Mort Sahl in the moneybelt segment gets befuddled and had to pass sayimg at 12:22 "It's my own intellect. It's my downfall." Boy, someone had a high opinion of themselves!
s g Twitter? That's a non-starter. I limit my use of social media sites to those sites that wouldn't degrade me through association with users of poor upbringing or sensibilities, such as Miley Cyrus, and regrettably our President. This is indeed a brave new world. Not all social media sites should be used. Protect your integrity and reputation by choosing carefully where on the internet you go. I think my use of Twitter would dumb me down in record time.
@gcjerryusc shared by billions the world over.
Mort Sahl sounds like he's doing stand up on the panel. And it got annoying after 1 1/2 seconds
Agreed! Even his voice! :(
But a brilliant political and societal satirist and comedian. My older brother and sister and my parents considered him scholarly with a biting wit. I was much younger and hooked on radio adventures, comics and baseball.
@@alansorensen5903 people with biting wit are a waste of time. Does nothing for genuine communication. Only they impress themselves
unusual for daly to give a clue as he did with the money belt.
Dorothy was so darn smart with getting the answer correct with that Commander. I bet her I.Q. was in the 140 to 150 range ? Anyone know ? She would have been a great detective for the police.
@Jeepman89 In light of the DA's investigation in 2019 and refusal to bring criminal charges, I do not think that it can be said any longer that she died mysteriously.
Hurricane hunters are in Biloxi, Mississippi, now.
John Daly mentions in passing that Mort Sahl has been on WML (as a guest panelist, he infers) before this show. What show was this and why isn't it on You Tube?
lemorab1 It was August 23, 1959 and it is on youtube.
Amy Brown Thanks, Amy for responding, but I checked. The August 23, 1959 show has Van Heflin as the other male guest (in addition to Bennett) and I can only find a 4 minute/54 second clip of the first guest, Louis Morisette, host of the Canadian WML. If Mort is on another show (besides Dinah Shore MG/October 4, 1959) it is hiding somewhere other than You Tube.
@@lemorab1 Here it is: th-cam.com/video/yc5jahKtCqQ/w-d-xo.html
@@jackkomisar458 Thank you!
Mort Dahl had a hard time formulating a sentence. this isn’t his best day.🙁
I agree. Illustrates how difficult it may have been for guest panelists sitting next to three pros: Dorothy, Arlene, and Bennett.
Mort Sahl, not Dahl
True movie stars.
Mort Sahl...the first intellectual comic...Loved that guy.
In 1959 "Arlene" only reached tropical storm status, not a hurricane
The book Act One that Dinah mentions - if you want to fall in love with writing a Broadway play - or if you are interested in how something gets staged - it's brilliant. I read it every time I produce a new play written by me - 11 so far.
It is great to see Dorothy so happy! Dinah and George must have been very good friends with her.
And she was her brilliant self again with that naval aviator.
Even the contestants look and dress like stars. You don’t see that anymore.
They cared how they looked. Today's men..don't care.
2:05: Cerf introduces "John Charles *abu-ben-adam* Daley" --- very interesting; not quite sure what to make of that
Referring to the poem, no doubt, but I have no idea why!
His name is CERF, not Serf.
Mort Sahl is still alive. But I had never heard about him before.
Bright guy. Stand up comic. Then stand up comic on political themes. Then political commentator and analyst.
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Sahl is still alive in September 2020.
He died Oct 26, 2021.
Mort Sahl is the comedian who asked the question about Richard Nixon; "Would you buy a used car from this man?" It was perfect because NO, no one would buy a used anything from Nixon.
I love Mort Sahl. He has a great smile.
But "Stupid ".
And he made almost as much as the reulars made.
It seems like they all were at one time or another zinging Kilgallen over how much money she had.
At 11:18 the 2nd contestant Mrs. Mann takes a sip of water . This is the first time i have seen this on WML . I wonder if they had water just in case and if someone changed glasses off camera in between contestants ?
Art Carney took a sip of water.
Surprised Bennet went for the himicaine dad joke
Hurricanes now are named after both men and women, alternating.
Hmm, I learned something, hurricanes haven't always been give male and female names.
I think the Dodgers won the world series that year against the White Sox.
PPL constantly interrupting Dinah Shore
Mort Sahl was married to a Chinese woman who was the first Chinese to be in a Playboy magazine. Yes! I am a baby boomer! She was literally a work of art. There was such a thing as nudity with class in those days. 1946 til 1964 The boomer generation was born at that time.
Yep, I came 1946, a vanguard boomer.
At the end of the show, Bennett asks how can a team score only one run on twelve hits. He was talking about Game 3 of the World Series and the exercise in futility by the Chicago White Sox in that game. They outhit the Dodgers 12 to 5 that day, but lost 3-1. (Earlier, it was mentioned that the Dodgers might need money belts the way things were going. They took the lead in the Series with the win this day.)
The White Sox were not known for their offense. But they also were not known for squandering opportunities. They played small ball before the term was introduced. They were known as the "Go Go Sox". Led by Luis Aparicio who stole over 50 bases for the first time in his career (it was his fourth season, and he led the American League in steals in each of his first 9 seasons), they had dethroned the Yankees that year and had the best record in baseball during the regular season.
But led by Ted Kluszewski in Game 1, the White Sox had flexed their muscles with an 11-0 victory and had been leading in Game 2 until Dodger bats woke up and eked out a 5-4 win. Now they were seeing the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum's lopsided baseball configuration for the first time, with left field's forty foot high screen only a hair over 250 feet away down the line. It was the first World Series game played on the West Coast and the first of only three (all in 1959) played before over 90,000 fans. Perhaps the Sox were affected adversely by all this.
They were facing a tall, sidearming right-hander and future Hall of Fame member, Don Drysdale. He was only 23 years old but was already the ace of the staff, leading the team with 17 wins. He didn't start until Game 3 because of the tight NL pennant race and the two game playoff the Dodgers needed to win against the Braves. But it worked out well because he was especially tough on the right-hand batters who would be aiming at the left field fence.
In addition to 12 hits (all singles), four Chicago batters walked and one was hit by a pitch. But Al Smith would hit into two double plays and three Sox base runners were gunned down on steal attempts.
In the first inning, they loaded the bases with one out, but Sherm Lollar fouled out to third and Billy Goodman grounded out to first. In the second inning, Jim Rivera walked but was caught stealing. Then after the opposing pitcher, Dick Donovan, singled and Aparicio walked, Nellie Fox grounded out to end the inning. In the third, the Sox had back to back singles with two out, but Smith struck out.
In the fourth inning, Aparicio was thrown out stealing and in the fifth Johnny Roseboro made Fox pay for his attempted larceny. In the sixth, Smith snuffed out a base runner with the first of his two double plays. In the seventh, the Sox again had two singles after two were out, but Jim Landis struck out and stranded them.
Meanwhile Donovan was cruising along, having allowed only one base runner and faced the minimum 18 batters through 6 innings. (Gil Hodges had singled in the second, but was erased when Don Demeter grounded into a DP.) A journeyman until finding a home in the Sox starting rotation in 1955, Donovan struggled with injuries in the early going in 1959 and was only 9-10 during the regular season, his worst for Chicago. But he had the Dodgers eating out of his hand until one out in the seventh when Charlie Neal singled. After Wally Moon moved him to second with a ground ball to the right side of the infield, Donovan inexplicably lost his control, walking Norm Larker and Hodges. Al Lopez brought in Gerry Staley in relief and Walt Alston countered by sending up veteran Carl Furillo to bat for Demeter. It was a familiar match up as Staley had pitched in the National League from 1947-55, seven of those years as a starter, and Furillo was a mainstay of the Dodger lineup all those years. Staley was a sinker ball pitcher and he induced a ground ball from Furillo, but it found its way into center field and the Dodgers led 2-0. (Ironically Donovan relieved in Game 5 in the identical situation and got Furillo to pop out to preserve a 1-0 Sox win. But the Dodgers would win the Series in Game 6.)
The Sox loaded the bases again in the eighth. Kluszewski and Lollar started the inning with singles and drove Drysdale for cover. Alston brought in his hot hand, rookie Larry Sherry, but he hit Goodman to fill the sacks. Chicago finally scored when Smith hit into his second DP, but Rivera's pop up to Roseboro stranded the tying run at third.
The Dodgers got the run back in their half of the inning when Maury Wills led off with a single, moved to second on Sherry's bunt and scored on Neal's double. Sherry then struck out the side in the top of the ninth around Fox's single for the Sox' 12th and final hit.
And that's how you score only one run on 12 hits, 4 walks and an HBP.
I sit here in complete awe of what you have written. Do you write all your sports informational comments yourself, and if so, have you ever considered writing a sports book? Or, in fact, HAVE you written a book?
@@richatlarge462 I co-authored a book on sports many years ago, brought into the project when the other author found himself running way behind schedule. But I wrote it under a very different name, so it would be almost impossible to prove it was by me.
I write all of my comments myself, some totally from memory, some mostly memory but verified to make sure I avoid any Mandela effect, and some additional facts I find along the way because I know what to look for and where to look.
It also helps that I am going on 68 years old, devoured sports books (especially baseball) as a child, have a very good memory and can remember facts from the 50's, 60's and 70's (and some from the early 80's and from before I was born), better than I can stuff from the last 30 years. When I had to start working for a living self-employed in the financial services field, I no longer had the time to devote to keeping track of all this information than I had as a child or young adult. (Plus there are many more teams now in all sports, with players coming from many different countries.)
Why does Dorothy always go out turn. She yelled out the mystery guests.
*_Hurricane Hunter (U.S. Naval Flier)_*
*_Sells Money Belts_*
"see the usa in your chevrolet" and i do --- liked Dinah, idivorce is sad - she had affair with frank sinatra early
Since, as I understand it, they all spent time conversing backstage after the show, I found Dorothy asking any guest or mystery guest about their clothes while a part of the program to be r as ther tacky. Do not remember Atlene doing that.
Mort Sahl was a lousy panelist.
Not a fan of Mort Sal's tendency of offering answers to his own questions. He seems like able enough.
He's so entertaining though.
Yeah, but not a great game player. I hope there are not too many more episodes with him on the panel. Judging by so many guest panelists, I guess asking questions is a skill not everyone has. A legendary comedian for sure; you can't have it all!! :)
Mic Mal He seemed very nervous at times here as well
With a face like Mort’s he must have been a last minute emergency! I doubt he’ll ever be ever be on again!
Mort was a satirical comedian.
George Montgomery was a very multi-talented fellow. Actor, painter, director, producer, writer, sculptor, furniture craftsman, and stuntman. He & Shore were divorced just 4 years after this show.
Mort Sahl couldn't decide if he was there to help the panel discover the contestant's "line" or to provide entertainment. He failed on both counts. Another comedian who was either a bore, an adolescent showoff or totally unfunny without a script.
Agree totally, Baskerville. Sahl is out of his element on WML.
@@Walterwhiterocks The WML producers underestimated their audience, I think. I know I find the episodes without "celebrities" on the panel far more entertaining and interesting than those where they have imported a film or TV star to 'fill-in' for a missing regular, or perhaps simply to add some 'star-glitter' to the panel. I will make an exception for Tony Randall; he was OK. Groucho Marx, Jerry Lewis, Victor Borge, Ernie Kovacs & most others were complete bores; entirely juvenile without a script written for them.
@@Baskerville22 Steve Allen was also an exception. Talented, witty, and creative.
@@Walterwhiterocks Yeah, but he was a 'regular'
@@Baskerville22 Not really, but I'll agree he appeared quite often throughout the years as a guest panelist. I consider only Cerf, Ms. Francis, and Ms. Killgallen as the only true "regulars" on the panel. All that is beside the point, however, since we totally agree on your original observation.
Surf did not ever one time just call him John Daly 🤔
CERF
I thought Dinah Shore's show came out of Hollywood.
It did. Broadcast live from NBC's Color City at the Burbank Studios. But for the beginning of the 1959-1960 season, Dinah and crew came to New York City for the first two shows.
In color?
Yes. Color videotape was used in Burbank starting late 1958. Even though this show was broadcast from New York, it was in color also. The whole show is up on TH-cam taken from a B&W kinescope but there's also a clip with Dinah and her special guest Groucho Marx in color which can be found here th-cam.com/video/ysSY1UJgKqE/w-d-xo.html JLTV.tv was broadcasting about 25 of the unseen since their original broadcast color videotape shows including this one, which also featured Gwen Verdon and Ingemar Johanssen, but I can't find the full color show on TH-cam.
One more question :) Was Dinah's hour long show live at some point and then went to tape?
The 1951-1963 series, first fifteen minutes long and then an hour, was also presented live and broadcast live through the 1960-1961 season, but saved on color videotape starting in late '58. In fact, there's a video clip dated from the November 9, 1958 episode which was broadcast for the first time in 1959. It's on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/DUTKl_z9474/w-d-xo.html. Occasionally they would do something tricky on the live broadcasts but at the end, they would announce that portions of the show were taped earlier and inserted into the live broadcast. For the last two seasons which were monthly specials, were taped live, with as few stops as possible, but broadcast later.
The Money belt lady is HOT!
So hot!!!
This was an example of a contestant on WML that was very attractive or provocutively dressed who was not in show business but had an odd occupation .
Im old fashioned. Divorce sucks
Worn by a girl or man! That’s a no/no in these days.
I like Mort Sahl well enough, but he isn't much of a game player.
He was very good in his previous appearance. Smart questions, funny without being a time-waster or a spotlight-grabber. He was definitely off tonight.
I’ve never seen a man bat his eyes as much as Mr Daly. Goodness. It’s almost annoying.
This guy Mort Sahl was appsolutely "TERRIBLE ".
After having watched all the episodes and seasons in chronological order multiple times, this is one of the years I got so weary of the bullying behavior to John Daly for a couple of seasons. Took away much of the enjoyment for me.
Bullying to John Daly? Who’s bullying him?
Absolute nonsense.
I couldn't stand hated Dinah Shore!!!
Reason?
@@aileen694: I just don't know the words! There doesn't have to be a reason!
You are a classic antisemitic bigot.
Guest panelist is a real screwball
Mort Sahl is a specialist comedian that you can't know, Sir Brainless. TRY GOOGLING "MORT SAHL".
I don't find Montgomery the least bit handsome. Particularly if he was a jerk of a husband.
Are you kidding, he is good looking.
They were married 20 years: 1943-63
Bennet has my Pappy's old humor 😅 Corny.
Mort Sahl wasn't very bright was he. Needed a script. Unfortunate first name.
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