He celebrated his 97th birthday (!) on Dec. 13, 2022. He is 34 here in May 1960. His eponymous show started filming the pilot the next Jan. 20 (1961). The same day President Kennedy had his snowy and cold inauguration. That episode, "The Sick Boy and the Sitter" aired the following Oct 3, in 1961.
I like him so much from watching these, I borrowed his autobiography from the online library at archive dot org and read it. Fascinating guy and perspective.
I truly love all these great shows. The style, grace, and manners of the panel and guests are something that I miss so deeply in our current culture. I didn't even know the mystery guest on this one, but the theme of butcher, baker, and candlestick maker was priceless!
An interesting random find for me here. I was born in Morecambe, and this is the first time I've ever heard it mentioned on a television program of any sort. Apparently, Adams' bakery was on Yorkshire St. which I can remember walking along with one of my grandmothers, who lived half a mile away.
Morecambe & Wide, the TV program in England that The Beatles loved to perform on and be in their comedy skits. Paul said it was his favorite TV appearances.
Michael Danello - Yes, groan. Leave it to Arlene to try to light the way. John never does this but he acted like a real drip with Arlene's question. She was right.
I heard about this famous episode and finally get to see it. Can’t believe Bennett completely forgot his own quip about bringing on a candlestick maker next.
Arlene looks especially lovely in the time periods from 1958-1960, and her hair usually looks fantastic! ...Dorothy had her great looking years about 1954-1956 or so. :)
What a brilliant episode to watch. I don't know who Ms. Berg is, but I absolutely adored watching this unfold and the look on Bennett's face at the end was....priceless!
Gertrude Berg was best known for creating the character of Molly Goldberg and the Goldberg family, which she portrayed on radio, television and film. She won the very first Emmy for leading actress in a TV show in 1951 - and she wrote all the scripts! We never missed her show. In later years, she won a Tony for the play A Majority of One, which was referenced in this episode. She was a brilliant woman, and left us too soon.
Really? I could’ve sworn Lucille ball did that but maybe I’m wrong on the producing part because they made I love Lucy from the radio show she was in right before that called my favorite husband. So maybe I’m wrong that she didn’t produce it per say.
I was very surprised that Bennett, after he made his comment following the second round, didn't follow up the thought and ask straight out if the challenger was a candlestick maker. It's like a poker player needs to call his opponents from time to time to see the cards. There's no way to know if the WML staff tried or not, but a way to be more clever with the final challenger (and outfox someone like Bennett who might pick up the pattern) is to have a different kind of candlestick maker. On April 12, 1960, Candlestick Park in San Francisco had become the new home of the San Francisco Giants. They could have had the architect or the owner of the construction company that built the park as their candlestick maker to finish out the theme and yet not fall prey to a logical guess.
Gertrude Berg was the first Jewish-American mother in an American sitcom called "The Goldbergs", not to be confused with the current hit ABC sitcom. This one originated on Radio, and aired on CBS, NBC, and Dumont, plus a 39-episode season in first-run Syndication.
Mrs. Berg won a Tony Award for her performance in the dramatic play, "A Majority of One," which is the play she was still in when this WML episode was originally filmed/broadcast. Still, I was surprised that nobody on the panel quibbled after-the-fact over (and John did not qualify) her "yes" answers to the questions of whether she was best known as a dramatic actress, rather than a comedienne and whether she had appeared more as a stage actress than "on screen," (since "on screen" could also mean a television screen).
At 2:00 or so, Bennett introduces Daly as "The Venetian Way of panel moderating'; this is because The Venetian Way (and jockey Bill Hartack) just won the Kentucky Derby the day before. More tenuous than most connections, but hey, it got a laugh out of Arlene.
His jokes and comments to and about women are puerile and cringeworthy. One would expect them to come from a teenaged boy. I have a mouth like a proverbial sailor, and he makes even me cringe.
People don’t understand him. He had a very creative way of thinking that some people cannot identify with. For heaven’s sake, he inspired Dr. Seuss to write Green Eggs and Ham!!! And his name was mentioned on one of the “I Love Lucy” episodes!!
Mrs. Rode died in 2009, after a long marriage, a bunch of kids, and a life dedicated largely to them. And agriculture. (And modeling. And, as Mark notes down-comments, public speaking. The butchering seems to have been a side light.) Obit: www.cocklinfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=768320
Mrs, Rode was an example of something that occurred often on WML: a woman in a male-oriented job because she worked for a family-owned business (either working with her father or her husband).
What could have been a "no" to her question the way she meant it to be interpreted? There's nothing that never gets placed on anything. I'm with John Daly.
i couldnt tell for sure - do you think john daly was actually a bit irritated at arlene at the last ? i get the impression that there are times he is a bit thin-skinned.
Ooo, that was quite a testy wrap-up; JCDaly actually seemed somewhat angry at Arlene for “what she has just done”. Did he have daughters? They must have been taught their place.
@@edmundpower1250 I truly just wrote a super-long reply to this, and just as I was finishing [without having Saved of course], my browser jumped forward to a Wix ad and I lost the whole thing. Not going to go through that again, so will try to leave a few bullet points - WML was taped and aired live; nothing was edited out in those initial broadcasts. When we see them now on youtube, of course, there are small edits to remove advertising from the Game Show channel, or other place that the footage was taped from. So what you're describing could not have occurred. .... think I'll just leave it there, actually. :) Otherwise I'll get into another novel-length reply. In the end, what I talked about was how much they all loved the game - this one, and most others - and that would cause any of the three mainstays to question JCDaly's earlier Yes or No answer in certain situations. No one hated one another, and they all thoroughly loved this block of time together each week. That said, Daly could occasionally get quite peevish, and that's what I witnessed here. Play on! Whether you're a Dorothy or a Garth.
You mean the standing on something bit? The way the question was phrased, I think the answer was fair. And I imagine that the candlestick larger than a phone booth (!) would stand completely on its own anyway.
Rikard Peterson I was just watching the show again and I think that you are right. I listen to the way the question was ask and now feel differently about Mr. D.
At about 21:50 the question is "Is it consumable?" and the answer is no. Aren't candlesticks consumed (as in used up) when they are used? I was waiting for Mr. Daly to call a conference and change that answer.
Edit: He makes candlesticks, not candles? As in holders? Is that another name? Because candles "combust" just like when the explosion people are on, John allows that as being acceptable for "consume"?
Being compared to the winning horse in the Kentucky Derby was no reason for John Daly to Bally Ache. Now if he had been compared to the rear end of a horse ...
Not often do they get "themey" with the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker and I'm a little surprised Bennett or Dorothy didn't figure it out. I knew the gist of what Arlene meant but I knew John wouldn't give it to her because the question wasn't broad enough.
Candlesticks used more by women than men? I'm a guy and I have lots of candlesticks, they're great for emergency lighting/romantic occasions/meditating
FYI, there is a very tiny glitch at about 10:15 when Arlene asks her first question of the second contestant. We miss hearing that question, but based on what is said later in the segment, I think that she asked if the contestant's product was "vegetable." Also, I think Arlene is once again without her diamond heart necklace in this episode.
JAY TERRY It's possible. Sometimes it's fairly obvious when that's the case, because you can see the heart pendant peeking out from underneath in at least some close-ups. There have been at least a few times, though, when you could definitely tell she wasn't wearing it. I have heard about the incident in which the chain with the heart pendant was "snatched" from her on the street in NY. However, I'm fairly certain that the heart pendant which she wore through most of the 1960s and syndicated 1970s WML episodes was not the same one she wore in the 1950s. The earlier one was smaller and had an extra little diamond in the center. I liked that one the best and always wondered what happened to it. In the very early 50s episodes, the heart did not have that extra diamond in the center, and I remember that the first time she appeared on WML with the extra diamond, one of the other panelists (Steve Allen, maybe?) commented on it in the introductions. I don't remember what episode that was, though. In her memoir, published in 1978, Arlene mentions having jewelry stolen from her home more than once, but I know she confirmed that she was wearing the diamond heart at the time of the first robbery, so she didn't lose it then, and she does not specifically mention ever having the heart pendant stolen.
SaveThe TPC I had read where she said the pendant was a gift to her from Martin Gabel on their first wedding anniversary, but I agree with you that I believe there is more than one of these and this isn't the original that she now wears.
The romantic story I grew up with is she never took it off.. Someone on the show pointed out, right after Dorothy's baby arrived, a diamond appeared in the center. She wore the big glitz over it for the show adverts but never removed it...A Real Love Story Thing.....As a New Yorker, I remember she was mugged for it arriving home one evening and didn't live but a few days after. Tragic Headlines for us who grew up WML. The original never recovered. Late 50's, it was reproduced as costume, but since the mid-eighties,as I remember, it's been produced in diamonds again. It"s part of this whole era, you don't hear nice stuff like this today. All these folks have marvelous stories behind them, even the scandals are marvelous in their own way. I'm from this time and wonder how this show would work with today's people.....This panel would roll in their graves !!!
Love this show and most panelists, but detest Daly's habit of giving nicknames to people instead of using the name they introduce themselves as. Thus we are treated to the indignity of Princess Margaret being referred to as Princess Meg, when her family nickname as always Margot, not Meg. Her sister, QEII, had the family nickname of Lillibet. They should get it right.
Philippa Pay To be fair I don't think Daly himself provided the nickname of 'Meg'. It was displayed on screen rather than uttered so the fault was with whoever created the titles. Upon saying that, it IS irritating that no one ever as far as I know in this country (the UK) called Princess Margaret 'Meg' (short for Megan!!) and yet the Americans come up with it, seemingly taking ownership of it in fact. Can you imagine if we referred to Abraham Lincoln on a TV show here in the UK as 'Abbers' or 'Alf'? They wouldn't like it.
@@davidsanderson5918 I was alive back then and old enough to watch WML with my parents (I was a night owl even then) and to be aware of Princess Margaret's wedding. No one in America referred to her as Meg that I recall. I don't think then they even knew her family nickname was Margot and her sister's was Lilibet. I watched a WML the other day where a woman signed in as Jackie and John insisted upon calling her Jacqueline. That may not have been her given name, but I was taught you address people as they are introduced or introduce themselves to you and do not take it upon yourself to give them aliases, monikers, nicknames. Actually, Megan is a form of Margaret, so that was not the problem and Meg, as in "Little Women" was a common nickname for Margaret back in the day: Meg, Maggie, Peggy, Peg, Megeen, even Margie. But yes, I recall cringing when I saw Princess Meg appear on the screen, because too often the people making up the name plates for the Mystery Guests or the descriptions for the regular contestants got something wrong that was too easy to get right when they had data from them. Had the lady called Jackie been from the Deep South, her given name could have been Jackson or something more like a surname and yet she was called Jackie. It was a form of over familiarity on John's part that always irritated me. He was mostly quite a good moderator.
@@davidsanderson5918 Meg might be a nickname for Megan today in your mind, but Meg has traditionally been a nickname for Margaret from at least 150 years ago, and commonly on into the 1900s also.
@@philippapay4352 I’m glad you were taught to address people by the name they introduce themselves as, because I cannot tell you how many times during my life that people have called me “Debbie” after I clearly introduced myself as “Deborah” ! Since this happened so frequently when I was a teen and young adult, it influenced me later to carefully choose names for all my children that were not attached to nicknames!
This is at least to my searching the only place were it states that Mrs. Gertrude Berg was Jewish. www.jewoftheweek.net/2012/10/31/jew-of-the-week-gertrude-berg/
@@williamlinington9166 When Daly spoke of the baker having 1100 awards for his cake baking, I was waiting for Cerf to say "Well, that takes the cake!" (If Steve Allen were there he probably would have said it!)
I'm still watching this 8 months later, every night. So I don't understand how ever woman seems to swoon over Bennet Cerf. Am I missing something or it is because he's filthy rich? He's talented w/ investments and investmentions, but I hear people screaming at him like do a rock star? What gives? He's nothing special and si sooo mysoginistic.
It wouldn’t make any difference if a male contestant was married - he would still be called Mister Whoever. John asked the ladies so the panel would know how to address them - either Mrs. Whoever or Miss Whoever.
What @sdacj said. John wasn't asking whether they were married, he was asking what the proper form of address would be. That was simply good manners in those days.
Why is it that you insist on applying today’s thinking to yesterday’s standards and values? That always results in a poor understanding of history, which is a major problem in today’s world! It’s even wreaking havoc in what children are taught in schools these days regarding the past history!! If we read an ancient text like the Bible from your point of view, we would all grossly misunderstand it and totally miss all the teachings and even hate it!!
@@deboraholsen2504 I agree with you Deborah but if divinely inspired, unlike other writings, wouldn’t the Bible be applicable to all future generations? Then there is the question of how to understand our two and a half century, pre-industrial let alone Information Age, Constitution. If the First Amendment applies to television (which already is obsolete) should the Second apply to fusion bombs and the Fourth to webcams or satellites?
Please remove this complete and utter troll from the comments section. Unfortunately today's awful society is full of pathetic losers intent on ruining other people's enjoyment of social media
Like a lobotomized idiot, Daly asked each contestant, "Are you familiar with how we keep score?" For years and years and years Daly asked that question, and each contestant answered in the affirmative. Viewers would naturally assume the game had been explained to each contestant before the show started. This reminds me of the idiotic salutation of that era: "How do you do?" with its instantaneous response, "How do you do?" Nobody expected a thoughtful reply to this question. Even now in 2014, my idiotic doorman greets me with "How are you?" as I'm speedily walking out the door. "Good morning" or "Good evening" are perfect for this occasion.
tomtriffid Yes, but it was extremely rare, and the blame for that *ever* having been allowed to happen should be placed on the producers for not making sure the rules were clear to the contestants before the show. Beyond that, John often would explain the rules more than once in the same show, for goodness sake. And often he'd even explain the rules after the contestants answered that yes, they were familiar with how the game was played. What makes it tolerable, for me, is that the rules were so simple, he was able to explain them in about 10 seconds. But still, I agree with xjAlbert that it was pretty silly.
I fail to see why this is cause for alarm. It's simply gab. The gift of which Mr. Daly was surely blessed, and I would dare say a necessity for any game show host.
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Watching this in 2022 and Dick Van Dyke is here and still dancing with life.
He celebrated his 97th birthday (!) on Dec. 13, 2022. He is 34 here in May 1960. His eponymous show started filming the pilot the next Jan. 20 (1961). The same day President Kennedy had his snowy and cold inauguration. That episode, "The Sick Boy and the Sitter" aired the following Oct 3, in 1961.
Isn’t it wonderful?
He must be the only one still alive that’s ever been on the panel.
@@miketheyunggod2534wasn't Woody Allen on the panel?
Bennett always seems to be having a ball, win or lose. His delight at the "reveal" of the last occupation is contagious.
I'm surprised he didn't guess it just for fun....I would have..
I like him so much from watching these, I borrowed his autobiography from the online library at archive dot org and read it. Fascinating guy and perspective.
Wrong...he questions everything AFTER the fact because he always DOES want to win..no matter what
Bennett was so wonderful.
@@gailsirois7175 Kilgallen was even worse. She was so competitive. She played that game as if her life depended on it.
I truly love all these great shows. The style, grace, and manners of the panel and guests are something that I miss so deeply in our current culture. I didn't even know the mystery guest on this one, but the theme of butcher, baker, and candlestick maker was priceless!
Top class show that is really timeless. Thank you for posting these.
I'm very proud of the audience for not utterly giving away the last contestant's line
An interesting random find for me here. I was born in Morecambe, and this is the first time I've ever heard it mentioned on a television program of any sort. Apparently, Adams' bakery was on Yorkshire St. which I can remember walking along with one of my grandmothers, who lived half a mile away.
Morecambe & Wide, the TV program in England that The Beatles loved to perform on and be in their comedy skits. Paul said it was his favorite TV appearances.
@@freeguy77Morecambe and Wise 😊
When Gertrude Berg was on WML in 1954 all the panel stood up for her. It was very impressive.
i guess they forgot to this time
They had a candle-stick maker even though they had heard that the business was tapering off but discovered that instead it was waxing. (groan)
You could be flamed for puns like that!
@@loissimmons6558 A punster should be drawn and quoted.
@@eeek77 I'm ready for my close up Mr. VanGogh.
Michael Danello - Yes, groan. Leave it to Arlene to try to light the way. John never does this but he acted like a real drip with Arlene's question. She was right.
I used to watch Gertrude Berg with my mom years ago-thanks for the memory!
I heard about this famous episode and finally get to see it. Can’t believe Bennett completely forgot his own quip about bringing on a candlestick maker next.
Oooo. I have to pick up one of those Sunbeam Dual Deluxe vacuum cleaners.
Bigwave2003 me too!
Love those old shows especially the old ads. That one depicting the Sunbeam vacuum cleaner. My mom had one just like it.
Great episode. They planned it just right!
:D
I don't think I've ever laughed so hard at an episode as I did at the end of this one.
Yes, a very funny episode. And I thought both Arlene and Dorothy looked particularly lovely tonite. Hairstyles, makeup, lighting, etc.
Arlene looks especially lovely in the time periods from 1958-1960, and her hair usually looks fantastic! ...Dorothy had her great looking years about 1954-1956 or so. :)
Absolutely extraordinary ... we've always adored brilliant, wonderful Gertrude Berg, born Tillie Edelstein (1899-1966)
Thank you very much indeed.
I believe the producers were in a humourous frame of mind on this episode.
humorous
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What a brilliant episode to watch. I don't know who Ms. Berg is, but I absolutely adored watching this unfold and the look on Bennett's face at the end was....priceless!
Look for her show, Mrs. G goes to College, on TH-cam. Arlene appears in an episode!
Gertrude Berg was best known for creating the character of Molly Goldberg and the Goldberg family, which she portrayed on radio, television and film. She won the very first Emmy for leading actress in a TV show in 1951 - and she wrote all the scripts! We never missed her show. In later years, she won a Tony for the play A Majority of One, which was referenced in this episode. She was a brilliant woman, and left us too soon.
@@flipflopgoddess I’ve just discovered that show. What a gem. It changed names to The Gertrude Berg Show.
@@susanrg Brilliant and delightful, yes!
Gertrude Berg; the first woman to star and produce her own tv show
Really? I could’ve sworn Lucille ball did that but maybe I’m wrong on the producing part because they made I love Lucy from the radio show she was in right before that called my favorite husband. So maybe I’m wrong that she didn’t produce it per say.
I was very surprised that Bennett, after he made his comment following the second round, didn't follow up the thought and ask straight out if the challenger was a candlestick maker. It's like a poker player needs to call his opponents from time to time to see the cards.
There's no way to know if the WML staff tried or not, but a way to be more clever with the final challenger (and outfox someone like Bennett who might pick up the pattern) is to have a different kind of candlestick maker. On April 12, 1960, Candlestick Park in San Francisco had become the new home of the San Francisco Giants. They could have had the architect or the owner of the construction company that built the park as their candlestick maker to finish out the theme and yet not fall prey to a logical guess.
Are you by chance related to Lon Simmons, the Giants Hall of Fame play by play announcer?
@@cjb8010 No I am not.
Very well put 😊
I never figured Arlene Francis to be the "cash me ousside" girl of her era. 🤣
"Meet me outside!" --Arlene
Gertrude Berg was the first Jewish-American mother in an American sitcom called "The Goldbergs", not to be confused with the current hit ABC sitcom. This one originated on Radio, and aired on CBS, NBC, and Dumont, plus a 39-episode season in first-run Syndication.
Mrs. Berg won a Tony Award for her performance in the dramatic play, "A Majority of One," which is the play she was still in when this WML episode was originally filmed/broadcast. Still, I was surprised that nobody on the panel quibbled after-the-fact over (and John did not qualify) her "yes" answers to the questions of whether she was best known as a dramatic actress, rather than a comedienne and whether she had appeared more as a stage actress than "on screen," (since "on screen" could also mean a television screen).
I have the dvd's.
My mom loved the show-the older one.
@@dancelli714 Have you had a "DVD" test?
I wonder if Richard Wayne Van Dyke is immortal? Hit movie 60 years later. Wow!
Good golly Miss Molly. I think I may love you and your TV work. I haven't seen your theater work.
At 2:00 or so, Bennett introduces Daly as "The Venetian Way of panel moderating'; this is because The Venetian Way (and jockey Bill Hartack) just won the Kentucky Derby the day before. More tenuous than most connections, but hey, it got a laugh out of Arlene.
Wow, you're brilliant too! We have our own Arlene on the board!
juliansinger - Oh, clever.
Gertrude Berg was a multi-talented performer and great human being
As of July 10,2024 Dick Van Dyke is still alive and win an Emmy .
Great episode!
Hilarious with the candlestick maker
Gertrude Berg...sadly someone I never heard of...
cogidubnus1953 you must live on mars.
@@phillipsamuels7808 - never heard of her either.
guess cogidubnus and I are neighbors
Not from Mars, maybe not yet born to this world.
"A Butcher, A Baker, A Candlestick Maker!" 🍖🍰🎍
My birthday may 8 1960
Beautiful dresses
If Bennett had guessed it with four minutes still to go (having got a whiff of it earlier!) I wonder how Daly would've filled in the time!!
Maybe they had a bathtub manufacturer in the wings.
K really like Bennett Cerf and all of the panel
Shame Bennett didn’t save the butcher, baker, candlestick maker joke until after the celebrity segment. 🤠
I don't understand the hate towards Bennet Cerf, he's a delight, and he's merely playing the game.
His jokes and comments to and about women are puerile and cringeworthy. One would expect them to come from a teenaged boy. I have a mouth like a proverbial sailor, and he makes even me cringe.
People don’t understand him. He had a very creative way of thinking that some people cannot identify with. For heaven’s sake, he inspired Dr. Seuss to write Green Eggs and Ham!!! And his name was mentioned on one of the “I Love Lucy” episodes!!
@@crabbyoldman8209 Ya, but you’re a crabby old man! Crabby old men do not understand quirky and creative and delightful people like Bennett Cerf!
@@deboraholsen2504 I don't think of him as delightful. Pretty smart, a bit lecherous, and always coming up with awful puns. But I enjoy watching him
I like Cerf the more I watch him. But sometimes I think the panel gets tipped off to avoid looking ridiculous.
Made me laugh ... I go to the West Shore Farmer's Market all of the time :)
Mrs. Rode died in 2009, after a long marriage, a bunch of kids, and a life dedicated largely to them. And agriculture. (And modeling. And, as Mark notes down-comments, public speaking. The butchering seems to have been a side light.)
Obit: www.cocklinfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=768320
Mrs, Rode was an example of something that occurred often on WML: a woman in a male-oriented job because she worked for a family-owned business (either working with her father or her husband).
Butcher, Baker, (Gertrude Berg), and Candlestick Maker!
As a Jewish kid in the 50s, I remember my family enjoying Gertrude Berg in "The Goldbergs". And the wonderful Dick Van Dyke, it goes without saying.
*****
Yes, I agree that Dick Van Dyke felt a bit overwhelmed playing the game for some reason and wasn't quite on top of it.
I don't know, he got the lady butcher rather quickly.
He was also flat when on the Carol Burnett Show.
Dear "What's My Line?" channel: Have you the episode featuring Sally Baker AKA "Hobo Kelly" ?
Arlene WAS robbed.
And I'm NOT talking about her pendant, I'm meaning with the last guest!
part of the question was " rather than standing of its own accord".
since candlesticks stand on their own, she got the correct answer.
and apparently bleeped - -or edited at least at 10:19 :)
Sadly, she will pass away a mere 6 years later. What a loss!!!
Not 6 years from May 1960. Monday, Nov. 8, 1965, so 5 1/2 years.
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At 24:47 forward: Arlene, you go, girl! :)
Never saw Arlene so "worked up"!
What could have been a "no" to her question the way she meant it to be interpreted? There's nothing that never gets placed on anything. I'm with John Daly.
“Meet me outside!” How cute to see Arlene playfully say this!
09:12 Wait, did they really call Princess Margaret "Meg"?!
This is the only time I ever saw that.
I want to be a 'cake baker' now.
i couldnt tell for sure - do you think john daly was actually a bit irritated at arlene at the last ? i get the impression that there are times he is a bit thin-skinned.
Thin, tapered candles don't normally stand up on their own.
He makes candlesticks, another name for candle holders.
he doesn't make candles, he makes candlesticks
Ooo, that was quite a testy wrap-up; JCDaly actually seemed somewhat angry at Arlene for “what she has just done”. Did he have daughters? They must have been taught their place.
I would say Arlene went on a bit more in jest that ate up the remaining time and it was edited out. John was just jesting
@@edmundpower1250 I truly just wrote a super-long reply to this, and just as I was finishing [without having Saved of course], my browser jumped forward to a Wix ad and I lost the whole thing. Not going to go through that again, so will try to leave a few bullet points
- WML was taped and aired live; nothing was edited out in those initial broadcasts. When we see them now on youtube, of course, there are small edits to remove advertising from the Game Show channel, or other place that the footage was taped from. So what you're describing could not have occurred.
.... think I'll just leave it there, actually. :) Otherwise I'll get into another novel-length reply. In the end, what I talked about was how much they all loved the game - this one, and most others - and that would cause any of the three mainstays to question JCDaly's earlier Yes or No answer in certain situations. No one hated one another, and they all thoroughly loved this block of time together each week. That said, Daly could occasionally get quite peevish, and that's what I witnessed here. Play on! Whether you're a Dorothy or a Garth.
@@sharonlove224 or even a John!
This is one time I have to call a foul on Mr. Daly he was purposely misleading about the last contestants.
You mean the standing on something bit? The way the question was phrased, I think the answer was fair. And I imagine that the candlestick larger than a phone booth (!) would stand completely on its own anyway.
Rikard Peterson I was just watching the show again and I think that you are right. I listen to the way the question was ask and now feel differently about Mr. D.
At about 21:50 the question is "Is it consumable?" and the answer is no. Aren't candlesticks consumed (as in used up) when they are used? I was waiting for Mr. Daly to call a conference and change that answer.
Aren't candlesticks what "holds" the candle...which is used up.
Edit: He makes candlesticks, not candles? As in holders? Is that another name? Because candles "combust" just like when the explosion people are on, John allows that as being acceptable for "consume"?
😑 A candle stick is what holds taper candles. Not the candle itself. Back then men rarely used candles.
Being compared to the winning horse in the Kentucky Derby was no reason for John Daly to Bally Ache. Now if he had been compared to the rear end of a horse ...
Lois Simmons - Well, he didn't want to be saddled with a negative nickname. He could race to the finish without that baggage. Sorry.
Dorothy got more glamorous over time. Wedding? London? Princess Elizabeth and Soon-to-be Prince Andrew?
Princess Margaret and Anthony Armstrong-Jones
Not often do they get "themey" with the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker and I'm a little surprised Bennett or Dorothy didn't figure it out. I knew the gist of what Arlene meant but I knew John wouldn't give it to her because the question wasn't broad enough.
Candlesticks used more by women than men? I'm a guy and I have lots of candlesticks, they're great for emergency lighting/romantic occasions/meditating
FYI, there is a very tiny glitch at about 10:15 when Arlene asks her first question of the second contestant. We miss hearing that question, but based on what is said later in the segment, I think that she asked if the contestant's product was "vegetable."
Also, I think Arlene is once again without her diamond heart necklace in this episode.
I BET IT WAS HIDDEN BY THE GLITZY ONE. STORY GOES SHE NEVER TOOK IT OFF, IT WAS STOLEN BY A MUGGER SHORTLY BEFORE SHE DIED.
JAY TERRY
It's possible. Sometimes it's fairly obvious when that's the case, because you can see the heart pendant peeking out from underneath in at least some close-ups. There have been at least a few times, though, when you could definitely tell she wasn't wearing it. I have heard about the incident in which the chain with the heart pendant was "snatched" from her on the street in NY. However, I'm fairly certain that the heart pendant which she wore through most of the 1960s and syndicated 1970s WML episodes was not the same one she wore in the 1950s. The earlier one was smaller and had an extra little diamond in the center. I liked that one the best and always wondered what happened to it. In the very early 50s episodes, the heart did not have that extra diamond in the center, and I remember that the first time she appeared on WML with the extra diamond, one of the other panelists (Steve Allen, maybe?) commented on it in the introductions. I don't remember what episode that was, though. In her memoir, published in 1978, Arlene mentions having jewelry stolen from her home more than once, but I know she confirmed that she was wearing the diamond heart at the time of the first robbery, so she didn't lose it then, and she does not specifically mention ever having the heart pendant stolen.
JAY TERRY I've been watching these shows in chronological order and several times over the last few episodes she hasn't been wearing the pendant.
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I had read where she said the pendant was a gift to her from Martin Gabel on their first wedding anniversary, but I agree with you that I believe there is more than one of these and this isn't the original that she now wears.
The romantic story I grew up with is she never took it off.. Someone on the show pointed out, right after Dorothy's baby arrived, a diamond appeared in the center. She wore the big glitz over it for the show adverts but never removed it...A Real Love Story Thing.....As a New Yorker, I remember she was mugged for it arriving home one evening and didn't live but a few days after. Tragic Headlines for us who grew up WML. The original never recovered.
Late 50's, it was reproduced as costume, but since the mid-eighties,as I remember, it's been produced in diamonds again.
It"s part of this whole era, you don't hear nice stuff like this today. All these folks have marvelous stories behind them, even the scandals are marvelous in their own way. I'm from this time and wonder how this show would work with today's people.....This panel would roll in their graves !!!
I agree with Arlene
Unusual to see a Brit doing that very American thing of having his first forename as an initial and second forename in full🎩
since when is a candle stick larger than a telephone booth?
SOME CHURCH ONES ARE...
+JAY TERRY ive never seen that, is there a church i can google to check it out?
Did Arlene do the first ever "catch me outside how bout dat" on TV?
Dr. Phil would have asked her "What were you thinking?"
Love this show and most panelists, but detest Daly's habit of giving nicknames to people instead of using the name they introduce themselves as. Thus we are treated to the indignity of Princess Margaret being referred to as Princess Meg, when her family nickname as always Margot, not Meg. Her sister, QEII, had the family nickname of Lillibet. They should get it right.
Philippa Pay To be fair I don't think Daly himself provided the nickname of 'Meg'. It was displayed on screen rather than uttered so the fault was with whoever created the titles. Upon saying that, it IS irritating that no one ever as far as I know in this country (the UK) called Princess Margaret 'Meg' (short for Megan!!) and yet the Americans come up with it, seemingly taking ownership of it in fact. Can you imagine if we referred to Abraham Lincoln on a TV show here in the UK as 'Abbers' or 'Alf'? They wouldn't like it.
@@davidsanderson5918 I was alive back then and old enough to watch WML with my parents (I was a night owl even then) and to be aware of Princess Margaret's wedding. No one in America referred to her as Meg that I recall. I don't think then they even knew her family nickname was Margot and her sister's was Lilibet. I watched a WML the other day where a woman signed in as Jackie and John insisted upon calling her Jacqueline. That may not have been her given name, but I was taught you address people as they are introduced or introduce themselves to you and do not take it upon yourself to give them aliases, monikers, nicknames. Actually, Megan is a form of Margaret, so that was not the problem and Meg, as in "Little Women" was a common nickname for Margaret back in the day: Meg, Maggie, Peggy, Peg, Megeen, even Margie. But yes, I recall cringing when I saw Princess Meg appear on the screen, because too often the people making up the name plates for the Mystery Guests or the descriptions for the regular contestants got something wrong that was too easy to get right when they had data from them. Had the lady called Jackie been from the Deep South, her given name could have been Jackson or something more like a surname and yet she was called Jackie. It was a form of over familiarity on John's part that always irritated me. He was mostly quite a good moderator.
@@davidsanderson5918 I think it would be sweet and endearing.
@@davidsanderson5918 Meg might be a nickname for Megan today in your mind, but Meg has traditionally been a nickname for Margaret from at least 150 years ago, and commonly on into the 1900s also.
@@philippapay4352 I’m glad you were taught to address people by the name they introduce themselves as, because I cannot tell you how many times during my life that people have called me “Debbie” after I clearly introduced myself as “Deborah” ! Since this happened so frequently when I was a teen and young adult, it influenced me later to carefully choose names for all my children that were not attached to nicknames!
Also, even though I enjoy John Daily, he downright lied about the candlestick. It does need to be put in something. Arlene deserved to get a yes.
a candlestick is free standing, you don't put it in anything.
a candlestick holds the candle.
@Acererak - I believe the poster was mistakenly
Referring to candles, not candelsticks.
This is at least to my searching the only place were it states that Mrs. Gertrude Berg was Jewish. www.jewoftheweek.net/2012/10/31/jew-of-the-week-gertrude-berg/
dorothy you write about the theatre what are you doing passing you should have known this.
But a candle has to be put on something else: a cake, a table, a candle holder
he makes candlesticks, not candles.
a candlestick is a candle holder.
@@MrYfrank14 I almost typed it. Thanks
Candle sticks cannot stand on thier own. They need a holder unless it'wider and flat on the bottom.
You still want it put on something regardless of its shape, lest it drip wax on the surface of a table, mantelpiece, etc.
A candlestick is what holds the candle.
Princess Meg ?!?
Anne Roy Princess Margaret.
@@williamlinington9166 When Daly spoke of the baker having 1100 awards for his cake baking, I was waiting for Cerf to say "Well, that takes the cake!" (If Steve Allen were there he probably would have said it!)
What a dirty trick
What, people didn't like him!
I'm still watching this 8 months later, every night. So I don't understand how ever woman seems to swoon over Bennet Cerf. Am I missing something or it is because he's filthy rich? He's talented w/ investments and investmentions, but I hear people screaming at him like do a rock star? What gives? He's nothing special and si sooo mysoginistic.
Merrida100 - I really like Bennett. He's kind, knowledgeable and witty. I miss him when he is not on the panel.
What are "investmentions"?
@@robertfiller8634 “investmentions” makes an apt name for insider trading.
Young Dick Van Dyke...he looks very tired here, almost appears ill
I don't see him as ill. He is not that young, at 34.
He always asks "Is it miss or Mrs?" But he never asks a gentleman if he is married or single!
susan Bartone Yep I raised that point on an earlier episode. They proceed to call them 'Miss' anyway.
It wouldn’t make any difference if a male contestant was married - he would still be called Mister Whoever. John asked the ladies so the panel would know how to address them - either Mrs. Whoever or Miss Whoever.
What @sdacj said. John wasn't asking whether they were married, he was asking what the proper form of address would be. That was simply good manners in those days.
Why is it that you insist on applying today’s thinking to yesterday’s standards and values? That always results in a poor understanding of history, which is a major problem in today’s world! It’s even wreaking havoc in what children are taught in schools these days regarding the past history!! If we read an ancient text like the Bible from your point of view, we would all grossly misunderstand it and totally miss all the teachings and even hate it!!
@@deboraholsen2504 I agree with you Deborah but if divinely inspired, unlike other writings, wouldn’t the Bible be applicable to all future generations? Then there is the question of how to understand our two and a half century, pre-industrial let alone Information Age, Constitution. If the First Amendment applies to television (which already is obsolete) should the Second apply to fusion bombs and the Fourth to webcams or satellites?
13:31 The contestant should have said "What's My Line?"
BUTCHER
BAKER FOR WEDDING CAKE OF PRINCESS MARGARET
CANDLESTICK MAKER
Please remove this complete and utter troll from the comments section. Unfortunately today's awful society is full of pathetic losers intent on ruining other people's enjoyment of social media
Da Berger isr das nicht
Lady butcher instead of a butcher. Old term.
We had a butcher, a baker why no candlestick maker?
@@kenretherford1197 Someone didn't watch the whole episode.
Dan Celli - I noticed that. She was a butcher, period. This was a time when grown women were referred to as girls. Frosts my soul.
Oh I though that was what they called Jack the Ripper.
Yes, and remember, this IS an old show! (This episode is from more than half a century ago!) But it’s nice to know Dick Van Dyke is still with us! 🥰
Like a lobotomized idiot, Daly asked each contestant, "Are you familiar with how we keep score?" For years and years and years Daly asked that question, and each contestant answered in the affirmative. Viewers would naturally assume the game had been explained to each contestant before the show started.
This reminds me of the idiotic salutation of that era: "How do you do?" with its instantaneous response, "How do you do?" Nobody expected a thoughtful reply to this question. Even now in 2014, my idiotic doorman greets me with "How are you?" as I'm speedily walking out the door. "Good morning" or "Good evening" are perfect for this occasion.
xjAlbert I fully agree, it was silly that John continued to do this for so many years. But we should all be so idiotic as John Daly was. :)
tomtriffid Yes, but it was extremely rare, and the blame for that *ever* having been allowed to happen should be placed on the producers for not making sure the rules were clear to the contestants before the show. Beyond that, John often would explain the rules more than once in the same show, for goodness sake. And often he'd even explain the rules after the contestants answered that yes, they were familiar with how the game was played. What makes it tolerable, for me, is that the rules were so simple, he was able to explain them in about 10 seconds. But still, I agree with xjAlbert that it was pretty silly.
tomtriffid Fairly often when the guest was from a foreign country.
***** Thank you for this explanation, which seems plausible!
I fail to see why this is cause for alarm. It's simply gab. The gift of which Mr. Daly was surely blessed, and I would dare say a necessity for any game show host.
Was Betty’s dad a bottle brush. ❤️🤣🤣🤣🤣