Brian Manzella's teaches of the 'Rule of 12' chipping tip for golf. This really works. Check out Brian's forum at www.brianmanzella.com. Check out my blog at 3jack.blogspot.com
Rule of 12. I love it. 12 minus the club number (e.g 12 - 9 for nine iron = 3 ) tells you how many times further the ball will roll than it will carry. Nine iron will roll 3x further than it will carry.
This method flat out works. It has transformed my chipping. I’ve had multiple people ask me what has changed with my short game and I explained this method. Best TH-cam golf instructional video I’ve seen and been able to actually apply
Don't know who this instructor is, I give him kudos for giving Runyon credit for this video. So many of today's instructors are using old school teaching without giving due credit.they alter the wording to make people think they thought of it. BTW, the rule of 12 works. I use it all the time.
An easier way, IMO, is just to stand at your ball and count your steps to the pin. Then go back and pick your landing spot. Pace that off. Divide the total by your landing spot. That’s the number you subtract from 12. You’re not always going to get a whole number. Say you’ve got a total of 21 paces and a landing zone of 5 paces. That’s 4.25. 12-4 = 8 and if you think about it you’ll see the chip will be a bit short. So make sure you carry your spot. Or if you want to get move your spot so it will result in EXACTLY 4…. 21/4= 5.25. Don’t just carry your previous spot, carry it by a 1/4 pace. And remember you’re just using your pace, not yards or meters. But as people will tell you, this is still an art. Greens are slow? Use Rule of 11. Downhill? Rule of 13. Thing is, you’ve already been doing these mental calculations. Thing also is you aren’t doing so hot at that or you wouldn’t be watching this. At least here you’re starting off with a SOLID CONCEPT.
This tip has been the trick for me to develop "feel" around the green. Played a round over the weekend and almost chipped in twice using this tip and some green reading. It helps to read the carry and roll ratios from the side of the shot, rather than down-the-line. It will be easier to get the right parts of carry and roll.
I use this all the time and works like a charm...i can literally pick any target on the green to chip to and have the formula to pick the right club I changed it up a because tracking how many "parts" of roll and carry is a bit confusing for me...i just take the total number of steps to the hole divided by the total number of steps to my landing area to arrive at my "maguc number"... Give a try folks!
Good stuff. But first you take the distance of the ball to the hole. Then pace out the landing area to the hole. Take the square root of the distance. Divide by the cosine of the relative angle. Read the green for break and grain (Spider-Man style). Only after you do that the twosome behind you will hit their ball into you. So you will just pick up your ball and go to the next hole before they ask to play through.....bwahaaahaaa
After going through a majority of the comments, especially about pace of play you have to realize one thing. After enough practice you'll be able to "eye" the shot and the correct club to use. I've seen more than my share of golfers take more than a minute or two just reading their putts until they execute the shot. This tip is money in my honest opinion. Many times I've been by the 9th hole or 18th hole at my home course and just watch people whack it on the green and be relieved that they're on the dance floor. Not realizing that they may have lengthy putt just to salvage a reasonable score and mess up the one, two or three putts it takes them to hole out. If people actually took the time to work on their short game they'd see their not putting as much pressure on their putts. BTW? I taught for a little over 20yrs so yes I did have the time to watch and play with plenty of those golfers.
This improved my chipping immediately. On faster greens though, I use this but instead of Rule of 12 I change it to Rule of 13. Great teacher love his videos.
This rule works well...on a flat green with a flat lie. That rarely occurs on most courses so the rule is shot to hell when you hit the course. It's a great tip and a great starting point, but like a lot of golf "tips", not necessarily very practical in a real game.
@johnny penso Well, every situation is different like you said. You need to think of this like a putt once the ball starts rolling. From the landing spot, you should think how you would hit the putter to sink the ball in. Once you get how much more you have to hit the ball beyond the hole, then you calculate the ratio again. The chances are you won't sink the ball in from the chipping more than likely, so getting the approximate ratio is more than enough.
@@unclespeller6568 Every green is so unique that no general rule can work. You have to figure out each situation on the fly. The key takeaway here is to get the ball on the ground and on the green as fast as possible most of the time and use your experience to gauge the roll.
Well, I have found that the rule does work for me, even on sloping greens. The trick is to not think in terms of where the pin actually is, but rather how far I need the ball to roll to stop at the pin. For example, if the pin is uphill from me, I might hit as though I want the ball to stop 6 feet past the pin (if I was on a flat green). However, on the uphill green, the slope would slow the roll down and the ball might stop only 1 foot past. Same as for a putt; you need to putt 'harder' uphill and 'softer' downhill to get the ball to go the same distance as on the flat. Use that to determine your INTENDED roll distance, and then work your ratios off of that. The tricky bit I have found is to use a different base ratio for different conditions, since roll is faster in the dry and slower in the wet. Use 12 as your base calculation marker on a normal day. If it is wet, you want the ball to roll more, so you should use 11 as your base number, which would give you a lower lofted club, and more roll. If it is dry, then use 13 as your base. You'll get more roll naturally on a dry green, so you need to counter that with a higher lofted club to stop it sooner.
Would this work? There's a quick, easy way to do the math. 1. Pace your self from the ball to the 'safe zone.' 2. Then pace the entire distance from the safe zone to the cup. 3. Then, you go #2 / #1 For instance. Let's say the pace from the ball to the say zone is 5 paces. Then the total distance from the safe zone to the cup is 15 paces. 15 / 5 = 3 12-3 = 9 iron
Great video. I tried this and the ratio's do depend on where you place the ball in relation to your stance. For example, Brian here and Dave Pelz, as well as Paul Runyan all advocate placing the ball opposite the back foot in your set-up and this does indeed produce the results Brian speaks of. However, many modern teaching pro's such as Chuck Quinton, Andy Proudman and Piers Ward advocate a ball position that is more in the centre of the stance at set-up or even slightly forward to avoid an overly aggressive downswing which chops into the ball. This works but does change the ratios significantly as more loft is created. Both techniques work so maybe golfers should experiment and see which they feel suits them best and which produce the best results.
I just want to ask you as the rules is a ratio the initial distance of carry should be affected the same as the roll. In your experience is the ratio different? Or is it more the carry is more than expected because of loft angle? Im not certain I am clear but as the loft angle changes with the stroke so does the effective bounce angle. Really Im curious because it's har for me to find a place to test this and Im good enough so far using an 8 or 7 with bump and run.
Another way of figuring the rule of 12 is a 6 iron goes six times the carry. A 5 iron goes 7 times and an 8 iron goes 4 times the carry...9 iron 3 times and the pitching wedge 2 times. Same stuff just easier to figure if on a level green IMO. It works
Determine carry length, say 5 yards, then determine roll length, say 15 yards. Divide 15 by 5 and get 3. Take 12 - 3 to get 9, so use a 9-iron. If roll length length is shorter than carry length then you don't have enough green to work with, so maybe carry to short of the green or a flop shot.
From 100 yards and in, I have ALWAYS used my 60° wedge. I am very good at getting the ball within 4' if I am around the green but this explanation of how to pitch (or bump-and-run) has never been explained to me. I was always under the impression you always use a club you are comfortable with (aka 8 iron) and just adjust accordingly. The way he explains it, this makes SO much more sense. I will definitely need to try this out moving forward. Keep in mind, I am a 4 handicap.
Levi Lane hate to reply to someone so late but I hit a 64• about 85 yards stock shot, so there are those that would accomplish that, but that would mean needing exceptional swing speed.. however this is TH-cam land so everyone is tiger woods here
This is good advice for walkers, i.e. players with their bag at their side at all times. If you are in a cart, your bag and all those various lofts are FAR away. You end up stuck with one or a couple of wedges in your hands and always making uncomfortable compromises for chips.
David Blanchard When you pull up to the green, it's easy enough to guesstimate the carry to roll. If it looks like it's going to be 1 part carry to 3 parts roll, just take that club (let's say a 9 iron) as well as the one above (8) and below (PW) as well as your LW just in case there's a situation such as the lie which will prevent a stock chip.
+David Blanchard It isn't that hard. When you arrive at the the green you should be able to make a close guess as to what club is needed. Carry 3 clubs in that range and you will be fine. If not you can always adjust the spot to make the shot fit what clubs you have by adjusting your target slightly.
Paul Runyans original formula showed that from 3i to 6i the rule of 13 applied and this then changed to a rule of 12 from the 7i to the 9i. Checkout Paul Wilson on the same subject.
When I watched Paul Runyan's chipping video, he used the rule of 13 up to the 6 iron, then rule of 12 from 7 iron to his sand wedge. If manufacturers have made more stronger loft, then it should be rule of 13 or 14, not 12, since the roll will be further compared to higher lofted club sets. Analyzing this, and using rule of 12, for a one part carry and one part roll, it would require 12-1=11, ie a gap wedge. If the green is faster for the same scenario, then it should be a bigger numbered rule, say 13. Therefore 13-1=12= a sand wedge. That's how I understand it. If the greens were slower, then a lower numbered rule should be used, maybe rule 11. Same scenario, 11-1=10=PW. Practice and training will set your datum rule number.
If you get a reading of 1:1, start with your SW. You may want to consider a 'Rule of 13' with super strong lofted irons. This video was made before those were out.
Striking the ball on a chip is the easy part, especially when you are only a couple of feet from the green. His advice may be good for a flat green, but it does not work well for an uphill, downhill, or sidehill run out. One foot onto the green is generally not the safest spot to land the ball.
you guys who are espousing putting don't get it. This method is more repeatable/dependable than guessing how hard or soft to putt from off the green. They guys talking about fast/slow greens and slopes up/down just need to know to adjust the club selection based on the slope. The landing spot is the CRITICAL variable.
he needed 4 yards carry and 12 yards of roll: that's 1 part carry 3 parts roll.. so 12-3 = 9 iron. if he needed 5 yards of carry and 20 yards of roll he would need 20/5 = 4 parts of roll => 12 - 4 = 8 iron.
@@craigscott7315 I believe the key is to reduce the roll/carry fractionally to get to a single equivalent unit ("parts") of carry (1ft, 1yd, etc)...SO 5 part carry + 20 part roll is mathematically reduced to 1 part carry + 4 part roll (5/5=1, 20/5=4) ==> which is the "4" in 12-4 = 8 iron.
Here's the "non-math" to what he is saying.: A sand wedge rolls 1-1 a PW 2-1, a 9-iron 3-1..keep doing the math. It's easy. Pick the spot you want to land it and then figure out what club you need. Sometimes his "safe" spot is on a side slope to you need to fly the ball over it, so you might end up using a SW where if you just chipped on the green a couple of feet with a longer club the ball would turn and run down a slope.
Kind of funny to be linked here from sidekick. This makes it far more confusing and complicated to chip ..simple way i think is higher lofts roll out less lower lofts roll out more ...
Its good as a general rule...and it works..but you better practice a lot on the course before u rely on it..you will eventually tweak the math suited to your game...
I spoke about this years ago with my paps. Since we have been out on the course practicing it often with great success getting the ball close with consistency being the key!!!!
If you want to learn how to chip better, go to the putting green and learn how to putt, when you become a great putter, you won't worry so much about getting 1 foot from the pin, knock in your six footers and all the sudden you are a great chipper. This was great information by the way, enjoyed the video.
That's great if your hitting on a level green. What about if you're hitting straight downhill on a green? Or even straight uphill to the pin??? I would think at that point my rule of 12's would go right out the window!
@@floridalife215 Actually, it is whatever you are comfortable with. The goal is to get the ball from point A to point B. The point of the rule of 12 is to understand the length the ball will roll compared to the amount of flight. It is different for every club. If someone is comfortable using a 7 iron to chip shots like this, they can just change the landing area. There is no rule that says you have to land the ball a yard onto the green. There are many greens where this is definitely NOT the case. There is no rule that says you cannot pretend to be Phil and flop the ball, so it lands in a spot and rolls very little. I generally use my 9-iron when I am within 5 feet of the green. I have hit it enough to know how far it will roll out based on how far I fly the ball. I am no "expert". I play the game for fun.
Also there’s nothing wrong with using a 3-5 iron as a putter just off the green! Especially when the flag is quite close!... a technique used many years ago and can be vary effective to those who ground or stab there wedge chips often!
@@TIMEtoRIDE900 The norm for a SW is 56, and a gap/approach is probably more like 52. I like to carry my PW from my iron set, then a 3-set of wedges (52, 56, 60).
In 2017-19, Titleist AP3 clubs are PW (43), Vokey SM7 46, SM7 50, SM7 sw 54, and SM7 lob 58 . 12 would be 50 degree wedge. We need a rule of 14! LOL. The stronger lofts have pushed the 52/56/60 wedge combinations to 50/54/58 so there isn't too big of a gap. Ugh.
I will incorporate this into my game because I need all the help I can get :D I vary clubs at times for chipping so the "12" rule seems to apply to my game.....I hope
This is great but I need help with the math. Lol. What if I’m 3 yds off green and hole is 10 yds from 1 yd landing spot? So 4 parts carry? but not sure how many parts roll. 🤦🏻♂️
The carry is always 1 part. It's the distance of the carry that determines the distance of 1 part. Then figure how many parts from landing spot to tee.
FEEL is the missing component...do all the math you want. I use the 9 from 40 yards...bump and run to just off the fringe... when I cant use the putter from 5 feet from the fringe.. I still use the 9 and I am always within a foot and half of the pin. Golf is Great . For me the 8 is too lofted and not able to control the exact distance.
Yeah I think so. For example, carry is 4yds roll out is 12yds, 12÷4=3 then 12 -3=9 use your 9 iron On top of that I would guess that after your 9 iron you could say that 10 = PW 11 = GW (Gap wedge) 12= SW So if you have, 4yds carry and 4yds roll out 4 ÷ 4=1 then 12 - 1=11 so use a GW That's how I understand it to be.
So how does one, using this math trick, arrive at when to use a PW, a GW or a SW for chipping? I get how to determine what use from a 9 iron on down to say, a 6 iron, but beyond that …
I have one question applying this "rule" - what will you do if the distance between ball to where you want to land (say 20 feet) is FURTHER than from the landing spot to the cup (say 10 feet)? Please share your thought, thank you.
The rule does not apply, you have to wedge, either lazy back spin or normal, depending on the pin's position! And just for the record, I think the rule still applies but since it will give you a 1 to 1 or less proportion it will give you 11 or 12 as a result!
It can still apply if the ground between you and the green is not soft and or thick. Pick where you want to land it and do the math. The whole point is to keep the ball low and let it run. With practice you'll see it's much easier to control than hitting it high.
The rule of twelve, as described in the video! This rule is for chipping around the green. You would only chip with a sandwedge if the pin was very close to the fringe and you for some reason wouldn´t choose to putt it (for example, sprinkler head in the way). The number of wedges does not matter.
Some adjustments will have to be made according to turf conditions. If you're playing in August and your iron shot creates a puff of dust when it hits the green and runs off, you're dealing with harder turf that will generate more roll. If you hit an iron shot approach on a rainy day , and it plugs two feet short of the green, you're dealing with softer turf that will generate less roll. Also, the clubhead-shaft combo in a given iron / plus the type of ball used / may cause variations in rollout. For "standard" turf conditions, a Rule of 11 works best for my former iron set. Rule of 12 often left me several feet short. I'm a bit out of practice on this, and have not tried it with my new irons. Lots of rain this spring, so short pitches more reliable than long runs over damp greens.
Rule of 12. I love it. 12 minus the club number (e.g 12 - 9 for nine iron = 3 ) tells you how many times further the ball will roll than it will carry. Nine iron will roll 3x further than it will carry.
This, to me, is a far more useful way of thinking about it.
Thanks I needed this comment
Makes the video more understandable at once, and the tip easier to use quickly on the course. Thanks!
I tried this and my round took three days.
This method flat out works. It has transformed my chipping. I’ve had multiple people ask me what has changed with my short game and I explained this method. Best TH-cam golf instructional video I’ve seen and been able to actually apply
Crap I was looking for a chipping lesson and ended up with a math test........and I didnt study......
Don't know who this instructor is, I give him kudos for giving Runyon credit for this video. So many of today's instructors are using old school teaching without giving due credit.they alter the wording to make people think they thought of it. BTW, the rule of 12 works. I use it all the time.
Mr. Mehoff, I agree!
this is like a cross between george constanza and frank caliendo doin robert deniro teaching how to chip
I'd be interested to know his linguistic influences. two parts Jersey, one part Kentucky roll?
The hole was 12 parts from my landing spot, so I simply used my driver to effortlessly float the ball in
An easier way, IMO, is just to stand at your ball and count your steps to the pin. Then go back and pick your landing spot. Pace that off. Divide the total by your landing spot. That’s the number you subtract from 12.
You’re not always going to get a whole number. Say you’ve got a total of 21 paces and a landing zone of 5 paces. That’s 4.25. 12-4 = 8 and if you think about it you’ll see the chip will be a bit short. So make sure you carry your spot. Or if you want to get move your spot so it will result in EXACTLY 4…. 21/4= 5.25. Don’t just carry your previous spot, carry it by a 1/4 pace. And remember you’re just using your pace, not yards or meters.
But as people will tell you, this is still an art. Greens are slow? Use Rule of 11. Downhill? Rule of 13. Thing is, you’ve already been doing these mental calculations. Thing also is you aren’t doing so hot at that or you wouldn’t be watching this. At least here you’re starting off with a SOLID CONCEPT.
This tip has been the trick for me to develop "feel" around the green. Played a round over the weekend and almost chipped in twice using this tip and some green reading. It helps to read the carry and roll ratios from the side of the shot, rather than down-the-line. It will be easier to get the right parts of carry and roll.
Chart to reduce steps
Club-Carry:Roll
SW - 1:1
PW- 1:2
9i- 1:3
8i- 1:4
7i- 1:5
6i- 1:6
I use this all the time and works like a charm...i can literally pick any target on the green to chip to and have the formula to pick the right club
I changed it up a because tracking how many "parts" of roll and carry is a bit confusing for me...i just take the total number of steps to the hole divided by the total number of steps to my landing area to arrive at my "maguc number"...
Give a try folks!
Good stuff. But first you take the distance of the ball to the hole. Then pace out the landing area to the hole. Take the square root of the distance. Divide by the cosine of the relative angle. Read the green for break and grain (Spider-Man style). Only after you do that the twosome behind you will hit their ball into you. So you will just pick up your ball and go to the next hole before they ask to play through.....bwahaaahaaa
After going through a majority of the comments, especially about pace of play you have to realize one thing. After enough practice you'll be able to "eye" the shot and the correct club to use. I've seen more than my share of golfers take more than a minute or two just reading their putts until they execute the shot. This tip is money in my honest opinion. Many times I've been by the 9th hole or 18th hole at my home course and just watch people whack it on the green and be relieved that they're on the dance floor. Not realizing that they may have lengthy putt just to salvage a reasonable score and mess up the one, two or three putts it takes them to hole out. If people actually took the time to work on their short game they'd see their not putting as much pressure on their putts. BTW? I taught for a little over 20yrs so yes I did have the time to watch and play with plenty of those golfers.
😂🤣😂🤣 Reminded me of my maths teacher, his mouth kept moving but all I heard was yardy yardy ya
🤣🤣🤣 me too.
This improved my chipping immediately. On faster greens though, I use this but instead of Rule of 12 I change it to Rule of 13. Great teacher love his videos.
This rule works well...on a flat green with a flat lie. That rarely occurs on most courses so the rule is shot to hell when you hit the course. It's a great tip and a great starting point, but like a lot of golf "tips", not necessarily very practical in a real game.
@johnny penso Well, every situation is different like you said. You need to think of this like a putt once the ball starts rolling. From the landing spot, you should think how you would hit the putter to sink the ball in. Once you get how much more you have to hit the ball beyond the hole, then you calculate the ratio again. The chances are you won't sink the ball in from the chipping more than likely, so getting the approximate ratio is more than enough.
I wonder if it would work to use one club less loft if the ball must roll uphill, and one club more loft if the roll will be downhill.
@@unclespeller6568 Every green is so unique that no general rule can work. You have to figure out each situation on the fly. The key takeaway here is to get the ball on the ground and on the green as fast as possible most of the time and use your experience to gauge the roll.
Well, I have found that the rule does work for me, even on sloping greens.
The trick is to not think in terms of where the pin actually is, but rather how far I need the ball to roll to stop at the pin. For example, if the pin is uphill from me, I might hit as though I want the ball to stop 6 feet past the pin (if I was on a flat green). However, on the uphill green, the slope would slow the roll down and the ball might stop only 1 foot past. Same as for a putt; you need to putt 'harder' uphill and 'softer' downhill to get the ball to go the same distance as on the flat.
Use that to determine your INTENDED roll distance, and then work your ratios off of that.
The tricky bit I have found is to use a different base ratio for different conditions, since roll is faster in the dry and slower in the wet.
Use 12 as your base calculation marker on a normal day.
If it is wet, you want the ball to roll more, so you should use 11 as your base number, which would give you a lower lofted club, and more roll.
If it is dry, then use 13 as your base. You'll get more roll naturally on a dry green, so you need to counter that with a higher lofted club to stop it sooner.
Uncle seller, yes, for uphill chip use one less club. One club higher loft for down hill chip.
Would this work?
There's a quick, easy way to do the math.
1. Pace your self from the ball to the 'safe zone.'
2. Then pace the entire distance from the safe zone to the cup.
3. Then, you go #2 / #1
For instance. Let's say the pace from the ball to the say zone is 5 paces. Then the total distance from the safe zone to the cup is 15 paces.
15 / 5 = 3
12-3 = 9 iron
Paces to safe zone 15
Paces from safe zone to flag 3. What club?
Great video. I tried this and the ratio's do depend on where you place the ball in relation to your stance. For example, Brian here and Dave Pelz, as well as Paul Runyan all advocate placing the ball opposite the back foot in your set-up and this does indeed produce the results Brian speaks of. However, many modern teaching pro's such as Chuck Quinton, Andy Proudman and Piers Ward advocate a ball position that is more in the centre of the stance at set-up or even slightly forward to avoid an overly aggressive downswing which chops into the ball. This works but does change the ratios significantly as more loft is created. Both techniques work so maybe golfers should experiment and see which they feel suits them best and which produce the best results.
I just want to ask you as the rules is a ratio the initial distance of carry should be affected the same as the roll. In your experience is the ratio different? Or is it more the carry is more than expected because of loft angle? Im not certain I am clear but as the loft angle changes with the stroke so does the effective bounce angle. Really Im curious because it's har for me to find a place to test this and Im good enough so far using an 8 or 7 with bump and run.
@@aldergate-ca Do what works best for you Dean, but if you get a chance to experiment with the different ball positions you'll see what I mean.
JustJames Will do bro. I’ll update you on the progress.
Another way of figuring the rule of 12 is a 6 iron goes six times the carry. A 5 iron goes 7 times and an 8 iron goes 4 times the carry...9 iron 3 times and the pitching wedge 2 times. Same stuff just easier to figure if on a level green IMO. It works
that is hard asf.
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Great video, I use this method cut 5 strokes off my round.
That's a great tip. Thanks, take that to the practice green tomorrow. I love it when maths has a practical use in my game 👍
Use the putter from where you were .
Determine carry length, say 5 yards, then determine roll length, say 15 yards. Divide 15 by 5 and get 3. Take 12 - 3 to get 9, so use a 9-iron. If roll length length is shorter than carry length then you don't have enough green to work with, so maybe carry to short of the green or a flop shot.
Thanks , thats how you are determining the roll length to subtract from 12?
From 100 yards and in, I have ALWAYS used my 60° wedge. I am very good at getting the ball within 4' if I am around the green but this explanation of how to pitch (or bump-and-run) has never been explained to me. I was always under the impression you always use a club you are comfortable with (aka 8 iron) and just adjust accordingly. The way he explains it, this makes SO much more sense. I will definitely need to try this out moving forward. Keep in mind, I am a 4 handicap.
you're an idiot... nobody hits a 60 degree 100 yards... maybe your 52
Levi Lane hate to reply to someone so late but I hit a 64• about 85 yards stock shot, so there are those that would accomplish that, but that would mean needing exceptional swing speed.. however this is TH-cam land so everyone is tiger woods here
@@levilane2969 Seve Ballesteros use 60 degree to hit 100 yards. See his short game video.
This is good advice for walkers, i.e. players with their bag at their side at all times. If you are in a cart, your bag and all those various lofts are FAR away. You end up stuck with one or a couple of wedges in your hands and always making uncomfortable compromises for chips.
Great point !! no one ever talks about that,do they? I'm sure the time keepers won't mind if you sprint back to the cart to fetch your 6 iron.
David Blanchard When you pull up to the green, it's easy enough to guesstimate the carry to roll. If it looks like it's going to be 1 part carry to 3 parts roll, just take that club (let's say a 9 iron) as well as the one above (8) and below (PW) as well as your LW just in case there's a situation such as the lie which will prevent a stock chip.
+David Blanchard
It isn't that hard. When you arrive at the the green you should be able to make a close guess as to what club is needed. Carry 3 clubs in that range and you will be fine. If not you can always adjust the spot to make the shot fit what clubs you have by adjusting your target slightly.
Its a walking game.
Paul Runyans original formula showed that from 3i to 6i the rule of 13 applied and this then changed to a rule of 12 from the 7i to the 9i. Checkout Paul Wilson on the same subject.
Why not just know the roll of 2-3 clubs by heart and select your landing spot on the green accordingly based on your lie and the green features??
Best explanation I’ve seen. Thanks.
How do you pick your safe spot if you don’t know which club you’re going to use? Is it just the closest point on the green from where you are?
Per Video, safe spot is the point 1 Yard onto the green closest from where your ball is.
@Golf Sidekick Have you seen this, thought you might find it interesting? (not that you need it, your a Baus !)
blimey you made it sound so much more complex than it is. divide the roll by the pitch and take the result from 12.
Hoping this takes me to 39 finally
Visual learner here. This needs to be in a table.
but you do have a spelling problem. Stop being so judgemental.@@oldaccount59minus1
Flop shot with a 60* for everything.
Simple , efficient way to learn the short game. You know he's good when he can talk a execute at the same time. Great job!
Way too complicated. Good way to ruin a good day out on the golf course.
really? pretty standard
Very simple actually. Five minutes to get the hang of it
When I watched Paul Runyan's chipping video, he used the rule of 13 up to the 6 iron, then rule of 12 from 7 iron to his sand wedge. If manufacturers have made more stronger loft, then it should be rule of 13 or 14, not 12, since the roll will be further compared to higher lofted club sets. Analyzing this, and using rule of 12, for a one part carry and one part roll, it would require 12-1=11, ie a gap wedge. If the green is faster for the same scenario, then it should be a bigger numbered rule, say 13. Therefore 13-1=12= a sand wedge. That's how I understand it. If the greens were slower, then a lower numbered rule should be used, maybe rule 11. Same scenario, 11-1=10=PW. Practice and training will set your datum rule number.
Great, great video. He also reminds me of sal from impractical jokers
Love this video, but should I use The rule of 13 now since my G430 I'm sure are stronger lofted? And what club should i start my highest number?
If you get a reading of 1:1, start with your SW.
You may want to consider a 'Rule of 13' with super strong lofted irons. This video was made before those were out.
You couldn't more confusing with your parts and rolls
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I thought I was the only one who read Paul Runyon's books...lol and Paul would have a used a 4 iron and a putting stroke....
toe down and elbows out with a reverse overlap on the grip
Just a brilliant explanation! 👍
Geez, if I could chip it to a spot every time, I wouldn't need a math test. I was hoping he could help me strike the ball.
Striking the ball on a chip is the easy part, especially when you are only a couple of feet from the green.
His advice may be good for a flat green, but it does not work well for an uphill, downhill, or sidehill run out.
One foot onto the green is generally not the safest spot to land the ball.
Good tip, but assumes it is flat. Seldom the case.
you guys who are espousing putting don't get it. This method is more repeatable/dependable than guessing how hard or soft to putt from off the green. They guys talking about fast/slow greens and slopes up/down just need to know to adjust the club selection based on the slope. The landing spot is the CRITICAL variable.
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Completely at odds with other vids I’ve watched!
You confused the fuck out of me...thanks. haha
Just saw this for the first time.
You seem to have the product and the ability to explain so why did you stop producing content ?
Great Video Brian...simple to do and understand!
Does he ever shut up and get to the point
How does this work if the pin is on a an uphill or downhill slope?
you'd need to factor in more roll i guess?
he needed 4 yards carry and 12 yards of roll: that's 1 part carry 3 parts roll.. so 12-3 = 9 iron. if he needed 5 yards of carry and 20 yards of roll he would need 20/5 = 4 parts of roll => 12 - 4 = 8 iron.
thanks dude ! now i UNDERSTAND ! i was gettin a little confused watching him. MAY YOU ALWAYS 1 PUTT!!
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You subtracted 9-3 in the first example but divided 20/5 in the second. So which us it?
12-(roll/carry)
@@craigscott7315 I believe the key is to reduce the roll/carry fractionally to get to a single equivalent unit ("parts") of carry (1ft, 1yd, etc)...SO 5 part carry + 20 part roll is mathematically reduced to 1 part carry + 4 part roll (5/5=1, 20/5=4) ==> which is the "4" in 12-4 = 8 iron.
you are making it to confusing.
Huh?
Here's the "non-math" to what he is saying.: A sand wedge rolls 1-1 a PW 2-1, a 9-iron 3-1..keep doing the math. It's easy. Pick the spot you want to land it and then figure out what club you need. Sometimes his "safe" spot is on a side slope to you need to fly the ball over it, so you might end up using a SW where if you just chipped on the green a couple of feet with a longer club the ball would turn and run down a slope.
Thank you for the video! I will practice this rule of 12
Wish I'd watched this 30 years ago.
Timothy Burton u could play golf 30 years more.
Kind of funny to be linked here from sidekick. This makes it far more confusing and complicated to chip ..simple way i think is higher lofts roll out less lower lofts roll out more ...
Don't forget, you can also putt with a hybrid,in this rule I guess that's where a 3 or 4 iron would be used ie 8 parts roll.
Best chipping video I’ve seen. Can’t wait to try it.
Its good as a general rule...and it works..but you better practice a lot on the course before u rely on it..you will eventually tweak the math suited to your game...
excellent method but i do wonder about when the pin is close to the rough. Say you're five paces back and the pin is two paces on the green...
I spoke about this years ago with my paps. Since we have been out on the course practicing it often with great success getting the ball close with consistency being the key!!!!
I used this method and failed math.. Cause 3 minus 12 is -9.. great lesson though.. Can't wait to try it
This is why there's slow play. Hope Brian likes English Turn better than Kentucky
This is brilliant
I like the idea of hitting it to the spot and letting it roll... the measuring... I'll wing it.
If you want to learn how to chip better, go to the putting green and learn how to putt, when you become a great putter, you won't worry so much about getting 1 foot from the pin, knock in your six footers and all the sudden you are a great chipper. This was great information by the way, enjoyed the video.
Good logic going to tyr it
If your landing spot is not level I find it can wreak havoc on the ratios for the more lofted clubs.
What about 48 or 52 degree wedges? Good video👍⛳️
That's great if your hitting on a level green. What about if you're hitting straight downhill on a green? Or even straight uphill to the pin??? I would think at that point my rule of 12's would go right out the window!
Sounds like a lot of BS.
Better use one club (7 iron or so) and get the 'feel' of what you are doing. Keep it simple.
Hi there I’ve got it down to an 8 iron...
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You're an idiot.
@@floridalife215 Actually, it is whatever you are comfortable with. The goal is to get the ball from point A to point B.
The point of the rule of 12 is to understand the length the ball will roll compared to the amount of flight. It is different for every club. If someone is comfortable using a 7 iron to chip shots like this, they can just change the landing area. There is no rule that says you have to land the ball a yard onto the green. There are many greens where this is definitely NOT the case. There is no rule that says you cannot pretend to be Phil and flop the ball, so it lands in a spot and rolls very little.
I generally use my 9-iron when I am within 5 feet of the green. I have hit it enough to know how far it will roll out based on how far I fly the ball. I am no "expert". I play the game for fun.
Still playing with Arnold palmer clubs
Also there’s nothing wrong with using a 3-5 iron as a putter just off the green! Especially when the flag is quite close!... a technique used many years ago and can be vary effective to those who ground or stab there wedge chips often!
This was stupid cause u changed from subtracring from your toll to your part carry
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@@TIMEtoRIDE900 The norm for a SW is 56, and a gap/approach is probably more like 52. I like to carry my PW from my iron set, then a 3-set of wedges (52, 56, 60).
No more.
Now there are long irons (replaced by hybrids), mid and short irons, then a set of 4-5 wedges. Total number of clubs allowed 14
In 2017-19, Titleist AP3 clubs are PW (43), Vokey SM7 46, SM7 50, SM7 sw 54, and SM7 lob 58 . 12 would be 50 degree wedge. We need a rule of 14! LOL. The stronger lofts have pushed the 52/56/60 wedge combinations to 50/54/58 so there isn't too big of a gap. Ugh.
Your correct but you're missing two things.1. You don't use the driver to chip2. You don't use your putter to chip
Great video but a lot of it also has a lot to do with green speed
What if the greens are rolling a 12 compared to a 8 or 9?
Excellent tip and explanation, thanks.
I will incorporate this into my game because I need all the help I can get :D I vary clubs at times for chipping so the "12" rule seems to apply to my game.....I hope
This is great but I need help with the math. Lol. What if I’m 3 yds off green and hole is 10 yds from 1 yd landing spot? So 4 parts carry? but not sure how many parts roll. 🤦🏻♂️
The carry is always 1 part. It's the distance of the carry that determines the distance of 1 part. Then figure how many parts from landing spot to tee.
i need 3 strokes to get to the landing spot.
FEEL is the missing component...do all the math you want. I use the 9 from 40 yards...bump and run to just off the fringe... when I cant use the putter from 5 feet from the fringe.. I still use the 9 and I am always within a foot and half of the pin. Golf is Great . For me the 8 is too lofted and not able to control the exact distance.
Into the grain up hill you would need a little less loft and spin to make the ball roll out further
@6:45 "lucky it hit the pin"
What a show off
Just putt it.
Jack said he would putt it eleven times out of ten.
So if one part is 4 yds. to landing spot. You then divide the steps from there to the hole by 4 and subtract that number from 12?
Yeah I think so.
For example, carry is 4yds roll out is 12yds, 12÷4=3 then 12 -3=9 use your 9 iron
On top of that I would guess that after your 9 iron you could say that
10 = PW
11 = GW (Gap wedge)
12= SW
So if you have,
4yds carry and 4yds roll out 4 ÷ 4=1 then 12 - 1=11 so use a GW
That's how I understand it to be.
So how does one, using this math trick, arrive at when to use a PW, a GW or a SW for chipping? I get how to determine what use from a 9 iron on down to say, a 6 iron, but beyond that …
10,11 &12 iron.
Excellent teacher and his ideas WORK very well. Thank you!
I have one question applying this "rule" - what will you do if the distance between ball to where you want to land (say 20 feet) is FURTHER than from the landing spot to the cup (say 10 feet)? Please share your thought, thank you.
The rule does not apply, you have to wedge, either lazy back spin or normal, depending on the pin's position! And just for the record, I think the rule still applies but since it will give you a 1 to 1 or less proportion it will give you 11 or 12 as a result!
1 part carry 1/2 part roll = 11 1/2 club. So something like a 56 or 60 degree wedge
It can still apply if the ground between you and the green is not soft and or thick. Pick where you want to land it and do the math. The whole point is to keep the ball low and let it run. With practice you'll see it's much easier to control than hitting it high.
For clarification what if you carry 3 wedges plus a pitching wedge. How would this work then? Interested in how it would be adapted.
The rule of twelve, as described in the video! This rule is for chipping around the green. You would only chip with a sandwedge if the pin was very close to the fringe and you for some reason wouldn´t choose to putt it (for example, sprinkler head in the way). The number of wedges does not matter.
I don't have time for a Phd
Some adjustments will have to be made according to turf conditions. If you're playing in August and your iron shot creates a puff of dust when it hits the green and runs off, you're dealing with harder turf that will generate more roll. If you hit an iron shot approach on a rainy day , and it plugs two feet short of the green, you're dealing with softer turf that will generate less roll.
Also, the clubhead-shaft combo in a given iron / plus the type of ball used / may cause variations in rollout. For "standard" turf conditions, a Rule of 11 works best for my former iron set. Rule of 12 often left me several feet short.
I'm a bit out of practice on this, and have not tried it with my new irons. Lots of rain this spring, so short pitches more reliable than long runs over damp greens.
Excellent video!!!
truly the "good fix'
Thinking outside the box. I like it.
Is there an app for this ?!?
But very good information