This has been by far the best comparison between the two that I've found so far. I bought a P45 a few months ago but I always felt it lacked something. And I mostly play with headphones due to working nightshifts and everyone else in the house being in bed when I want to play/practice. I've always found that when the house is empty and I take the headphones out the sound of the P45 isn't all that. I've been toying with the idea of upgrading for a few weeks and this comparison, along with a few others, has inspired me to go ahead and upgrade.
My guess is headphone sound is always much better. You are accustomed to fantastic headphone sound first. I read a lot of comments mentioning get a good set of headphone so that you enjoy amazing music.
@@chonghwang8028 I have a set of Bose headphones which, in my opinion, are the best. And yes, both pianos sound great with the headphones. Without the headphones the P125 still sounds great, the P45 not so great
I own P45 for some time,I absolutely love it,the sound,the action,everything feels pretty good,at least for me,for an entry level piano it is very nice,if you are going to use it mostly with piano sound(s),but if you need better sound engine,better speakers,more sounds,also more features and Yamaha application connectivity it is definitely worth buying P125,and I will upgrade from P45 in the future🙂.That's just my opinion,but there are lots of happy users for both models.
None of what you mention matters if you hook it up to your computer and output the sounds to a good sound system. Then you have a much better sound engine, you can choose much better speakers, an extreme amount of features. I dont know why people obsess about internal sounds and features in pianos at this time and age.
@@jubilantyogurt Have you never thought that maybe some people don't want to hook their pianos to a computer and just put it in a living room? And how much is a good sound system? Enough to buy another digital piano even if you're going pretty mid.
I like how all the comments are "XXX are (still) bad, just spend some more and get XXX." Well, if the money weren't a constraint, no one would be here to see the reviews between these two.
I went through like 10 of your videos today and I've seen you gotten young and older time and time again. It's actually a very odd feeling. Your videos are very high quality and thank you for the work that you do.
@@CarmelaMiles I like it. Better to try it at a store. I am one of those people who never bothers to compare I just bought it Sorry for the late reply. TH-cam doesn’t notify me that of this.
I'm getting p45 because I'll going to primarily be using it as a midi controller. And spend that extra saved money on a quality piano sample library. Cause the key action is the same, so imma but the cheaper one
Vst piano libraries are good if you are doing studio recordings. But for live band environment I recommend using the piano sound from your p-45 it will cut through the mix better.
I bought my son 121 (the 73 key version) of the 125. That slightly smaller size made it perfect for his room. If any other model had a smaller version - Roland it Kawai - I would certainly gone for them as the keyboard and sound is superior.
I have my p-45 for a year now. Slight wear and tear on the action, but the warranty covered it. Indeed, the speakers are a bit weak or lose quality for high volume. However, headphones solve both these problems.
I have (but soon will say I had) the P71, which is the same as P45, just Amazon version. I hate that the pedals can constantly move because they're not attached to the piano with a stand. I also had 2 broken keys - I had to open the piano twice to fix these with crazy clue and a piece of plastic from a bread clip (found the video to do that here on TH-cam). I also feel there better pianos out there. So, I just bought the Roland F701 based on reviews, the slim design, has all 3 pedals with the stand and it looks super nice and modern. It's packed with features. After 2 years I thought it was time to get an upgrade. But the P45 (and 71) are great pianos for beginners and I recommend it for the price, despite the issues I had with it...
@@vinitapandey7267 I might soon... Subscribe to my channel lol and I'll upload something eventually... Still trying to get better I'm just an adult noobie but I can play Chopin Nocturnes Op 9 No 1 and 2 and songs from the Game of Thrones soundtrack 😂
I love the high end Yamahas but I am more of a Korg or Roland person. I love Rolands piano tones and tone knob but hate their Eps I loved the Roland Fp8 from 1991 those EPs and piano tones and that piano was a masterpiece compared to current Rolands. Korg I enjoy the piano tones but LOVE their Eps way more than any brand.
How about P125 vs DGX670? I learned piano more than 20 years ago. I never played a keyboard before. I have a grade 4 piano level, so I’m quite a beginner. I fantasize about DGX670, but I’m concerned if it’s easy to learn the functions on DGX670 or not. Also, I’m just a beginner that I don’t know when I could play those features?
If you can afford it, and don't mind the heavier weight go for the DGX-670. The DGX is a great sounding instrument that packs a massive punch. It has chord automation features meaning the backing styles can be played with just 1,2, or 3 fingers of the left hand pushing adjacent keys. It's actually simpler than a conventional piano. This type of automation has been around a long time. I had a small Casio that could do the same thing probably 40 years ago. You can always use the DGX-670 as a standard piano without using all the extra buttons, bells and whistles. There's a single grand piano shaped button that can set it into piano only mode. I have a 670 on order, and have also decided to order the optional stand and pedal unit which makes it come it at around $1,000.00. If you are just a beginner maybe you should consider the new Casio CT-S1 keyboard. It's not weighted, but they say it feels good, and it obviously sounds great. Most of Bach's music can be played on the shorter keybed which is adequate for most purposes. Bonner's video on the DGX: th-cam.com/video/OrO5Olcv2W0/w-d-xo.html Bonner's video Casio CT-S1 - It's the best sounding lightweight small sized keyboard I've ever heard. Again Casio has been making these great sounding little keyboards for very long time. I had one of their 1st small true synthesizers and it was great for its time period. th-cam.com/video/R1wmL-dzWW8/w-d-xo.html I don't know where you live, but there are fantastic deals of used instruments on Craigslist. That's where you are going to get the most bang for the buck. Generally in my opinion it's a buyers market when it comes to used musical instruments. Just be careful. Some guy is selling a Kawai that he claims he doesn't have the power cord for. I wouldn't consider it without being able to fully test it out. Something is very fishy about not having the power cord for an instrument you are wanting to sell. Here's an interesting video comparing the Roland GO piano to the new Casio: th-cam.com/video/NZhaLtgI9ps/w-d-xo.html
Well thanks Stu, I feel so bad for buying the P45. But the price difference in South Africa is a bit of a stretch. I feel that the p45 (all things considered) is overpriced. But we only really get Yamaha out here so other brands you start to get issues with serviceability.
Wow, you didn't spend much time on the P45 sounds. You have left me with practically no idea what it sounds like except that first piano voice you played.
I did even look at the video a second time because I thought I did miss it. Also I know now that the speakers of the P45 aren't as good but what about the sound if the P45 in itself, so how does it sound over headphones which I have to use most of the time anyway. So this video leaves me rather clueless.
Thanks for this detailed and useful review. It was good to hear both in a side by side comparison. I don't know how it is in the US but in the UK I bought my P45 in 2016 for £140 less than it is now. I don't know why the price hike from Yamaha. My scenario: As a classical musician I opted for the P45 for its portability over my old P140 (2006). When the P125 came out I could see why it would be a worthy upgrade for many, but I still remained happy with the P45. Overall I managed to save £140 for an instrument that was better suited for me - lighter instrument, didn't have features which I didn't need and the default piano sound suited my playing more (The P125s default sounded too brittle for me). Both (esp. the P45) are ideal for carrying to sessions, gigs etc and for practicing. The P45 easily worked well as a piano to accompany ballet classes in a large church hall (tho the volume had to be turned up to max). It's 64 note polyphony would only be an issue in performing passages like the second movement of the Rachmaninov second sonata in concert, where there's a pedalled flourish toward the end and you didn't want any notes to cut out - not a problem however if you're only practicing the piece. The other issue was that I can only use the headphone jack for audio out and have to wear headphones from the computer which is not ideal for performing. But now that I have access to Synthogy Ivory 2 VST, neither issues are a problem for me. Both very good but very different instruments as you say.
Hi! So much thanks for the nice review of these musical instruments thru side by side video display. What price range in USD are these Instruments? Reply is anticipated...thanks
Did you ever experience problems with polyphony? I actually wondered whether a single note can use more than one note of polyphony? For example, reverb, or simulating sympathetic vibrations? If not, then it’s hard to see why more than 88 note of polyphony would ever be needed for just piano.
@@adamrobinson8620 Sorry for my late reply. Yes, I think you're right. More polyphony is taken up with pedal or sympathetic vibration samples. Else in theory you shouldn't need more than 88 note polyphony. Even now I don't remember if my P45 has those extra samples, but no, I'd only notice the polyphony in that second movement - even then, still a musical result.
@@samuelb.n.skpeheii643 Hi - sorry for late reply. I think there is a slight price difference in USA - so not a straight up conversion, but about $500-550 for a P45 and around $750 for a P125.
Hello :) What do you think of the P-121 ? The P-125 does not fit in my place, but the P-121 would fit just fine and I hear that the build-in quality is similar than the P-125, do you agree? With the same size of the P-121, would you recommend another keyboard? Thanks a lot and Stay safe :)
I am always following your youtube....can you please let me know.....what model of Yamaha not using GHS? (as I am planning to learn piano and Yamaha product is popular brand in Manila. Thank you.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for supporting our channel! There are many Yamaha models that do not use the GHS action. They have a number of digital piano options out there that use completely different actions. The best bet is to look at spec sheets on Yamaha's website to familiarize yourself with the various options and approaches to actions. :)
Thank you for your review. I have a P-125 and I use one of the jacks on the front to plug in my headphones when I practice. Question: Since there are two spots on the front for headphones, why can I not get two headsets to work simultaneously…..or, how is it done, if it’s even possible? It would be a helpful feature for quiet teacher/student practice times. Thanks! 😃
I think a LOT of people would be interested to know what you think of the newly released NUX NPK 10. It's a budget digital piano and it would be interesting to know how it fares with the P45, FP10 and even ES110.
Michael N: I don't think the P-125 will be replaced soon, but it should come down a few bucks in price as the P-45 is eventually put out to pasture. Yamaha needs to produce a light'ish piano for around U$1100 to compete directly with the Roland FP60X. It should include all the (now deleted) P-255 features, plus Bluetooth and more. Hope it happens. Currently, there is too big a gap between the P-515 and the P-125 in terms of price, functionality and weight.
@@gustavopaulette3496 That's a very good question. I have the P-255 as well and rate it very highly. Unfortunately, hardly anybody can get their hands on an FP-90X or a P-515 to try one. I did try the ES-920 briefly and found it unexciting. To be fair, I thought the same of my P-255, and now I love it. I'd probably choose the P-515 over any other portable piano because of its firm action, its 16-track MIDI recorder/sequencer and the CFX sample. I think it's the ideal home studio piano and small gig piano, if you don't mind the weight. While I'd love to own a P-515, I don't think it can be a huge upgrade from the P-255, which is lighter to carry and really does everything I genuinely need right now. If the improved action really matters a lot to you, well that's enough reason to upgrade. Can you say what your application is? Maybe you need a stage piano instead of s portable piano. The P-515 costs around €1500. I don't think I'd want to spend much more on any dp, except maybe on a stage piano. So are you tired of your P-255? Often when people are disastisfied with their dps, the problem is amplification. Our hearing sharpens, and we realise what we are missing. I urge you to add a couple of studio monitors to your P-255 (home/studio use) if you haven't already. Even one helps a lot. It brings out the hidden colours of the beautiful CF sample. I have two very old MSP5s. With only 5s, I'm pushing the envelope, so to speak, but I get away with it. If you can afford HS7s great, otherwise get any clear-toned powered monitors and use them in addition to the (very reasonable) onboard speakers, which bring out the most of the piano very well. It's a question of outnumbering the problem. What one speaker misses, the other captures.
Hi Stu, congratulations on the video. I have a Yamaha CP-33. I love this piano. But for gigs it's heavy and big. I intend to buy a Yamaha P-121, as it is lighter, more compact and with newer technology. What is your opinion? Do you think I'll feel a difference on stage? Mainly in terms of the weight of the keys and the sound. Thanks
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in! We appreciate it. :) The sound is always going to be a variable in live situations as most venues are more sonically active, not to mention the fact you'll likely be running the piano through an amp or PA system. With that said, there is always a bit of adapting that needs to happen when switching to any action. However, I am sure within a gig or two, you would feel right at home with the new piano and its action.
Like most digital pianos models, the P121 was eventually phased out after a number of years on the market. I am not exactly sure as to the reasons behind it, but it could have something to do with sales or a lack of popularity. Sub-88 key models are not quite as popular as full 88-key instruments in my experiences. They do have their place on the market of course as some musical situations call for a smaller instrument!
The p125 is like only $60 more than the p45 on amazon in my region. I'm a total beginner but should I just go with p125 and don't look back? I have a psr-e373 and after feeling p45 in the music store i wanted to upgrade to weighted keys instead. Is p125 still great in 2022 or is there a better upgraded version I don't know of? P. S. Is there a variation of p125 but with a screen or I don't really need it?
i’d really love to buy the P25 but sellers are selling it for 670 dollars is it worth it? Some are selling it for 900 but it comes with the furniture stand and 3 pedals, I want to plug my piano into my computer would I be able to do that with a furniture stand? Sellers are selling the P45 for 460 dollars but lots of people in the comments prefer the P125
The matching stand will not interfere with the ability to connect the piano with your computer. In terms of whether the price is worth it, it is a matter of opinion of course. Every player will have their own tone and touch preferences. :)
Thanks for all your videos! I learned a lot from them. After spend a lot of hours watching videos from Merriam they helped me to decide about buying a digital piano. I'm most a guitar player, since a year ago already have a non weighted keyboard (Yamaha PSR EW410) and now I want something better to learn piano in the right way. In my country (Argentina) the Yamaha P125 have the same price that the Casio PX770, could be great if you can made a video comparing both. I saw the video of Yamaha DGX660 vs Casio PX770 but I dont know if the action and the sound quality of both yamahas feel exactly the same beetwen them to compare directly with the casio. Thanks again for all yours videos!!!
yes, and from what i heard, when you connect headphones to it they use some sort of software that makes it sound like you're in a studio or in a room so it makes it sound more of like a natural sound and not like it would normally sound through headphones
@Merriam Music Hmmm, weird, I just went to a Guitar Center and neither I nor the employee could get velocity sensitive keys to work on the P-45. Is there a way to turn it off or on? Maybe this one was just damaged. I'll check a different GC today. Thank you!
Sluggish, super slow and noisy action that starts making unintended clicking noises within a few hours and really poor dynamics and the worst customer service on the planet : Roland.
@@maulyjain all digital piano make clicking sound. The only difference with lets say the p45 and the fp 10 is how their yamaha line just adds more bass and it sounds muddy
I tried P45. Somehow I liked the action after 5 minutes but after trying FP30 there is no going back to the lower-tier Yamaha action. There is no comparison. I see zero reason to buy P45 or P125 in 2021. If you like Yamaha sound or lower-level Yamaha action go and buy DGX-670 although it is more expensive. Today I'd go to Roland fp30x/60x instead, if I want a good piano and good action.
I found out the Roland Keyola was been around for at least 2 years: th-cam.com/users/alexeyismirnovvideos Stu presented it as something that was just released. Perhaps in his market, I don't know. I know they sell them at Piano Planet in Honolulu. There is another video that shows it being assembled. The so called furniture case is highly over rated. It's basically a plastic piano placed into a stand fabricated from wooden legs, with an awkwardly folding wood lid.
@@JoeLinux2000 Canada gets everything last. Not even by a little bit. As far as newly released digital pianos and acoustic anyway. There’s also just very little availability in general, and fairly few music stores in general, it’s a population/geography distribution thing. We don’t even have the Aures 500 listed as available on the Kawai website for Canada at all.
Stage pianos absolutely have to be connected to either nice headphones or a nice amp. The built in speakers are always a joke. Also, forget about the Roland FP-10x, 30x or 60x if you want to be able to play a simple, slow trill or just don't want a unintentionally noisy action that Roland will call a warranty issue at first and a to be expected non-issue when they realize they can't fix it.
Justice not observed... We know that 125 is better than 45 but we are waiting will 45 be okey or will worth purchasing. You were so concerned about p125. Since it's a comparison video, we would appreciate to tune, turn and hit the keys one after the other.
Thank you for tuning in. The video was intended to discuss and showcase some of the key differences between the two models opposed to determining which one is a "better" piano. That will always be a subjective opinion. Thanks again and all the best!
The P125 and Kawai ES 110 pianos are outdated pianos. No real bluetooth, The Apps really only work with i pads/ phone that Japan thinks everyone uses. The action is old on the Yamaha and the Roland fp 30x blows them out of the water. They don't have a USB thumb port , and can't send sounds and rhythms to the keyboard. Bluetooth that just sends you tube music to a piano is about worthless. They don't have midi bluetooth either. The Casio psx 1000 and 3000 suffer from this also. Roland in it's price category smokes them! Roland is way ahead of the curve.
I used to think like that when about to buy my first digital piano. I made a research for 2 weeks from various sources about the features, key actions, price, brands etc that got me even more confused. Then I realized that what mattered to me was the sounds that pleased my ears, because that's the reason I would buy a piano in the first place. So I decided to buy P125, although it was not even on my list before, but when after I accidentally clicked on P125 demo video that turned out to be favorite.
The ES110 is due for an update, but your information is inaccurate. It does have Bluetooth MIDI. The RHC action is a very good, responsive action, the Roland is only "better" if you prefer a heavier action and/or want let-off simulation. Also, I've heard reports of the PHA-4 developing issues over time like "clicking". Finally, many people dislike Roland's very bright, somewhat metallic piano tone, although I would say with the FP30X Roland has finally got their piano tone sounding rather good. I would still prefer to tone the brightness down a couple notches. Ultimately, there are multiple really good entry level options from Kawai, Roland, and Yamaha (though Yamaha in particular really does need to update their entry-levels, and the GHS action in particular). Not everyone has the same priorities or tastes, so declaring one option as objectively better is nonsense. It's just your opinion, man.
Claro, pero el flaco que toca tiene un toque fuerte y no domina las intensidades, imposible destacar las posibilidades de los pianos con un pianista que toca todo fuerte y le pega todo el tiempo.
Ultimately, the tonal and dynamic output of any piano will always be heavily influenced by the player themselves and their particular playing style. With that said, we always strive to show as many of the tonal and dynamic possibilities that a piano offers. Thanks so much for taking the time to check out the video! :)
This has been by far the best comparison between the two that I've found so far. I bought a P45 a few months ago but I always felt it lacked something. And I mostly play with headphones due to working nightshifts and everyone else in the house being in bed when I want to play/practice. I've always found that when the house is empty and I take the headphones out the sound of the P45 isn't all that. I've been toying with the idea of upgrading for a few weeks and this comparison, along with a few others, has inspired me to go ahead and upgrade.
To what did you upgrade?
@@halosas9854 P125
@@stevesutherland8247 Was the upgrade worth it?
My guess is headphone sound is always much better. You are accustomed to fantastic headphone sound first. I read a lot of comments mentioning get a good set of headphone so that you enjoy amazing music.
@@chonghwang8028 I have a set of Bose headphones which, in my opinion, are the best. And yes, both pianos sound great with the headphones. Without the headphones the P125 still sounds great, the P45 not so great
I own P45 for some time,I absolutely love it,the sound,the action,everything feels pretty good,at least for me,for an entry level piano it is very nice,if you are going to use it mostly with piano sound(s),but if you need better sound engine,better speakers,more sounds,also more features and Yamaha application connectivity it is definitely worth buying P125,and I will upgrade from P45 in the future🙂.That's just my opinion,but there are lots of happy users for both models.
I got the p125 a few months ago and it's perfect for me! Massive upgrade over my rock jam that thing was a cursed object.
Does it has weighted or semi weighted keys?
@@mootal2812 They both have fully weighted keys,they share the same Yamaha GHS action
None of what you mention matters if you hook it up to your computer and output the sounds to a good sound system. Then you have a much better sound engine, you can choose much better speakers, an extreme amount of features.
I dont know why people obsess about internal sounds and features in pianos at this time and age.
@@jubilantyogurt Have you never thought that maybe some people don't want to hook their pianos to a computer and just put it in a living room? And how much is a good sound system? Enough to buy another digital piano even if you're going pretty mid.
I like how all the comments are "XXX are (still) bad, just spend some more and get XXX."
Well, if the money weren't a constraint, no one would be here to see the reviews between these two.
In my country the p125 is 3 times more expensive than p45. Absolutely hate when people are like its only 100 dollar deference.
I went through like 10 of your videos today and I've seen you gotten young and older time and time again. It's actually a very odd feeling. Your videos are very high quality and thank you for the work that you do.
Thank you very very much for all the reviews in the channel Stu!
You're very welcome! We appreciate your support of our channel! :)
I just celebrated my one year anniversary with my p125 in March just right about when lockdown happened.
Is it good? Would you recommend it for adult beginners?
@STEVE ASAPH TANG amazon
@@CarmelaMiles I like it. Better to try it at a store. I am one of those people who never bothers to compare I just bought it
Sorry for the late reply. TH-cam doesn’t notify me that of this.
I'm getting p45 because I'll going to primarily be using it as a midi controller. And spend that extra saved money on a quality piano sample library. Cause the key action is the same, so imma but the cheaper one
Vst piano libraries are good if you are doing studio recordings. But for live band environment I recommend using the piano sound from your p-45 it will cut through the mix better.
Bought the P121 during lockdown. Couldn’t be happier
(Great plating too!)
Thanks for tuning in and congrats no your Yamaha P121! All the best and happy playing! :)
I bought my son 121 (the 73 key version) of the 125. That slightly smaller size made it perfect for his room. If any other model had a smaller version - Roland it Kawai - I would certainly gone for them as the keyboard and sound is superior.
yoni23able... That is a very wise choice.
I have my p-45 for a year now. Slight wear and tear on the action, but the warranty covered it. Indeed, the speakers are a bit weak or lose quality for high volume. However, headphones solve both these problems.
will the warranty usually fix problems on your piano? and if yes, how long is the warranty of a yamaha piano?
I have (but soon will say I had) the P71, which is the same as P45, just Amazon version. I hate that the pedals can constantly move because they're not attached to the piano with a stand. I also had 2 broken keys - I had to open the piano twice to fix these with crazy clue and a piece of plastic from a bread clip (found the video to do that here on TH-cam). I also feel there better pianos out there. So, I just bought the Roland F701 based on reviews, the slim design, has all 3 pedals with the stand and it looks super nice and modern. It's packed with features. After 2 years I thought it was time to get an upgrade. But the P45 (and 71) are great pianos for beginners and I recommend it for the price, despite the issues I had with it...
Why don't you upload some piano videos !
It will be fun buddy .
@@vinitapandey7267 I might soon... Subscribe to my channel lol and I'll upload something eventually... Still trying to get better I'm just an adult noobie but I can play Chopin Nocturnes Op 9 No 1 and 2 and songs from the Game of Thrones soundtrack 😂
Although I am in the Team Roland camp, I respect Team Yamaha and Stu’s reviews are always worth watching.
I’m team Roland and Korg but my wallet leave me with cheaper Yamahas like the p125.
It sucks badly!!
I love the high end Yamahas but I am more of a Korg or Roland person. I love Rolands piano tones and tone knob but hate their Eps I loved the Roland Fp8 from 1991 those EPs and piano tones and that piano was a masterpiece compared to current Rolands. Korg I enjoy the piano tones but LOVE their Eps way more than any brand.
How about P125 vs DGX670? I learned piano more than 20 years ago. I never played a keyboard before. I have a grade 4 piano level, so I’m quite a beginner. I fantasize about DGX670, but I’m concerned if it’s easy to learn the functions on DGX670 or not. Also, I’m just a beginner that I don’t know when I could play those features?
670 and look for jeremy see on TH-cam
Also see Bonner's review of the DGX-670
If you can afford it, and don't mind the heavier weight go for the DGX-670. The DGX is a great sounding instrument that packs a massive punch. It has chord automation features meaning the backing styles can be played with just 1,2, or 3 fingers of the left hand pushing adjacent keys. It's actually simpler than a conventional piano. This type of automation has been around a long time. I had a small Casio that could do the same thing probably 40 years ago. You can always use the DGX-670 as a standard piano without using all the extra buttons, bells and whistles. There's a single grand piano shaped button that can set it into piano only mode. I have a 670 on order, and have also decided to order the optional stand and pedal unit which makes it come it at around $1,000.00.
If you are just a beginner maybe you should consider the new Casio CT-S1 keyboard. It's not weighted, but they say it feels good, and it obviously sounds great. Most of Bach's music can be played on the shorter keybed which is adequate for most purposes.
Bonner's video on the DGX:
th-cam.com/video/OrO5Olcv2W0/w-d-xo.html
Bonner's video Casio CT-S1 - It's the best sounding lightweight small sized keyboard I've ever heard. Again Casio has been making these great sounding little keyboards for very long time. I had one of their 1st small true synthesizers and it was great for its time period.
th-cam.com/video/R1wmL-dzWW8/w-d-xo.html
I don't know where you live, but there are fantastic deals of used instruments on Craigslist. That's where you are going to get the most bang for the buck. Generally in my opinion it's a buyers market when it comes to used musical instruments. Just be careful. Some guy is selling a Kawai that he claims he doesn't have the power cord for. I wouldn't consider it without being able to fully test it out. Something is very fishy about not having the power cord for an instrument you are wanting to sell.
Here's an interesting video comparing the Roland GO piano to the new Casio:
th-cam.com/video/NZhaLtgI9ps/w-d-xo.html
Thanks all...
Well thanks Stu, I feel so bad for buying the P45. But the price difference in South Africa is a bit of a stretch. I feel that the p45 (all things considered) is overpriced. But we only really get Yamaha out here so other brands you start to get issues with serviceability.
Wow, you didn't spend much time on the P45 sounds. You have left me with practically no idea what it sounds like except that first piano voice you played.
I did even look at the video a second time because I thought I did miss it.
Also I know now that the speakers of the P45 aren't as good but what about the sound if the P45 in itself, so how does it sound over headphones which I have to use most of the time anyway.
So this video leaves me rather clueless.
Thanks for this detailed and useful review. It was good to hear both in a side by side comparison.
I don't know how it is in the US but in the UK I bought my P45 in 2016 for £140 less than it is now. I don't know why the price hike from Yamaha.
My scenario: As a classical musician I opted for the P45 for its portability over my old P140 (2006). When the P125 came out I could see why it would be a worthy upgrade for many, but I still remained happy with the P45. Overall I managed to save £140 for an instrument that was better suited for me - lighter instrument, didn't have features which I didn't need and the default piano sound suited my playing more (The P125s default sounded too brittle for me).
Both (esp. the P45) are ideal for carrying to sessions, gigs etc and for practicing. The P45 easily worked well as a piano to accompany ballet classes in a large church hall (tho the volume had to be turned up to max). It's 64 note polyphony would only be an issue in performing passages like the second movement of the Rachmaninov second sonata in concert, where there's a pedalled flourish toward the end and you didn't want any notes to cut out - not a problem however if you're only practicing the piece. The other issue was that I can only use the headphone jack for audio out and have to wear headphones from the computer which is not ideal for performing. But now that I have access to Synthogy Ivory 2 VST, neither issues are a problem for me.
Both very good but very different instruments as you say.
Hi! So much thanks for the nice review of these musical instruments thru side by side video display. What price range in USD are these Instruments? Reply is anticipated...thanks
Did you ever experience problems with polyphony? I actually wondered whether a single note can use more than one note of polyphony? For example, reverb, or simulating sympathetic vibrations? If not, then it’s hard to see why more than 88 note of polyphony would ever be needed for just piano.
@@adamrobinson8620 Sorry for my late reply.
Yes, I think you're right. More polyphony is taken up with pedal or sympathetic vibration samples. Else in theory you shouldn't need more than 88 note polyphony.
Even now I don't remember if my P45 has those extra samples, but no, I'd only notice the polyphony in that second movement - even then, still a musical result.
@@samuelb.n.skpeheii643 Hi - sorry for late reply.
I think there is a slight price difference in USA - so not a straight up conversion, but about $500-550 for a P45 and around $750 for a P125.
@@jermwormz3626 😎
Hello :)
What do you think of the P-121 ? The P-125 does not fit in my place, but the P-121 would fit just fine and I hear that the build-in quality is similar than the P-125, do you agree? With the same size of the P-121, would you recommend another keyboard?
Thanks a lot and Stay safe :)
The P-121 is a 73 key version of the P-125. It has same keybed (GHS), polyphony, and number of sounds. I am probably going to get a P 121.
Exactly the same keyboard. Only difference is 88 keys in the 125 and 73 keys in 121
Will you be doing a video on the Roland FP-90X soon?
I am always following your youtube....can you please let me know.....what model of Yamaha not using GHS? (as I am planning to learn piano and Yamaha product is popular brand in Manila. Thank you.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for supporting our channel! There are many Yamaha models that do not use the GHS action. They have a number of digital piano options out there that use completely different actions. The best bet is to look at spec sheets on Yamaha's website to familiarize yourself with the various options and approaches to actions. :)
Thank you for your review. I have a P-125 and I use one of the jacks on the front to plug in my headphones when I practice.
Question: Since there are two spots on the front for headphones, why can I not get two headsets to work simultaneously…..or, how is it done, if it’s even possible? It would be a helpful feature for quiet teacher/student practice times. Thanks! 😃
This is not meant to be a rude comment but at 21:08 it says roland apps instead of yamaha apps at bottom right
Great review !
I think a LOT of people would be interested to know what you think of the newly released NUX NPK 10. It's a budget digital piano and it would be interesting to know how it fares with the P45, FP10 and even ES110.
Do we have option to use External speaker by using 3.5mm Jack in Yamaha P125
The P125 has stereo (L/L+R / R) Aux outputs for external speakers or amplifiers.
Thank You.. Sir@@MerriamPianos
Can I use keyscape or any other vst standalone with Yamaha p45 easily?
Isn't the background song at the start a beatmap in Osu?
Good video but didn't answer the question of whether they are still worth buying, which is a question I have.
Just don't buy a Roland.
So is it still worth it to buy p-125 now? Or I just wait the next generation of p-125?
I'm wondering the same. Should I bite the bullet now, or wait?
@@letthatsinkin7879 the new version will be around £200 more expensive
How we the price will go down by 50
So it’s your choice
Thanks Stu. Looking forward to the P125's replacement.
Michael N:
I don't think the P-125 will be replaced soon, but it should come down a few bucks in price as the P-45 is eventually put out to pasture. Yamaha needs to produce a light'ish piano for around U$1100 to compete directly with the Roland FP60X. It should include all the (now deleted) P-255 features, plus Bluetooth and more. Hope it happens.
Currently, there is too big a gap between the P-515 and the P-125 in terms of price, functionality and weight.
@@Zoco101 I have the Yamaha P255 and looking to upgrade. Do you think the Roland P90X is better then the Yamaha P515? How about the Kawai ES920?
@@gustavopaulette3496 That's a very good question. I have the P-255 as well and rate it very highly.
Unfortunately, hardly anybody can get their hands on an FP-90X or a P-515 to try one. I did try the ES-920 briefly and found it unexciting. To be fair, I thought the same of my P-255, and now I love it.
I'd probably choose the P-515 over any other portable piano because of its firm action, its 16-track MIDI recorder/sequencer and the CFX sample. I think it's the ideal home studio piano and small gig piano, if you don't mind the weight. While I'd love to own a P-515, I don't think it can be a huge upgrade from the P-255, which is lighter to carry and really does everything I genuinely need right now. If the improved action really matters a lot to you, well that's enough reason to upgrade.
Can you say what your application is? Maybe you need a stage piano instead of s portable piano. The P-515 costs around €1500. I don't think I'd want to spend much more on any dp, except maybe on a stage piano.
So are you tired of your P-255? Often when people are disastisfied with their dps, the problem is amplification. Our hearing sharpens, and we realise what we are missing. I urge you to add a couple of studio monitors to your P-255 (home/studio use) if you haven't already. Even one helps a lot. It brings out the hidden colours of the beautiful CF sample. I have two very old MSP5s. With only 5s, I'm pushing the envelope, so to speak, but I get away with it. If you can afford HS7s great, otherwise get any clear-toned powered monitors and use them in addition to the (very reasonable) onboard speakers, which bring out the most of the piano very well. It's a question of outnumbering the problem. What one speaker misses, the other captures.
Hi Stu, congratulations on the video. I have a Yamaha CP-33. I love this piano. But for gigs it's heavy and big.
I intend to buy a Yamaha P-121, as it is lighter, more compact and with newer technology. What is your opinion? Do you think I'll feel a difference on stage? Mainly in terms of the weight of the keys and the sound. Thanks
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in! We appreciate it. :)
The sound is always going to be a variable in live situations as most venues are more sonically active, not to mention the fact you'll likely be running the piano through an amp or PA system. With that said, there is always a bit of adapting that needs to happen when switching to any action. However, I am sure within a gig or two, you would feel right at home with the new piano and its action.
@@MerriamPianos Stu, Thank you so much for your feedback and precious tips.
Why does Yamaha not offer the p-121 anymore?
Like most digital pianos models, the P121 was eventually phased out after a number of years on the market. I am not exactly sure as to the reasons behind it, but it could have something to do with sales or a lack of popularity. Sub-88 key models are not quite as popular as full 88-key instruments in my experiences. They do have their place on the market of course as some musical situations call for a smaller instrument!
The p125 is like only $60 more than the p45 on amazon in my region. I'm a total beginner but should I just go with p125 and don't look back?
I have a psr-e373 and after feeling p45 in the music store i wanted to upgrade to weighted keys instead.
Is p125 still great in 2022 or is there a better upgraded version I don't know of?
P. S. Is there a variation of p125 but with a screen or I don't really need it?
Hello man, what did you end up with?
Not to add to your workload, but have you reviewed the Yamaha P255?
i’d really love to buy the P25 but sellers are selling it for 670 dollars is it worth it? Some are selling it for 900 but it comes with the furniture stand and 3 pedals, I want to plug my piano into my computer would I be able to do that with a furniture stand? Sellers are selling the P45 for 460 dollars but lots of people in the comments prefer the P125
The matching stand will not interfere with the ability to connect the piano with your computer. In terms of whether the price is worth it, it is a matter of opinion of course. Every player will have their own tone and touch preferences. :)
What are the pieces you played for organ at 11:13 and 11:20?
Whiter shade of pale
Thanks for all your videos! I learned a lot from them. After spend a lot of hours watching videos from Merriam they helped me to decide about buying a digital piano. I'm most a guitar player, since a year ago already have a non weighted keyboard (Yamaha PSR EW410) and now I want something better to learn piano in the right way. In my country (Argentina) the Yamaha P125 have the same price that the Casio PX770, could be great if you can made a video comparing both. I saw the video of Yamaha DGX660 vs Casio PX770 but I dont know if the action and the sound quality of both yamahas feel exactly the same beetwen them to compare directly with the casio. Thanks again for all yours videos!!!
Casio VS Alesis vs Donner
I want to learn all the clips you played using the different instrument sounds. Can you publish the sheet music? :)
Thank you!
You're very welcome! Thank you for tuning in! :)
can you connect headphones to the p 125?
yes, and from what i heard, when you connect headphones to it they use some sort of software that makes it sound like you're in a studio or in a room so it makes it sound more of like a natural sound and not like it would normally sound through headphones
it has 2 headphones ports in the front
hi, it is true that they have the same keyboard but, I don't know why, in the p125 it is heavier, at least 20%
Both of these pianos use the GHS action, but differ in other areas, which explains the difference in weight.
I prefer the P-45 for the look, price, and because I pretty much only use the basic piano sound
Are the keys velocity sensitive?
Yes! Both pianos feature touch/velocity sensitive keys. :)
@Merriam Music Hmmm, weird, I just went to a Guitar Center and neither I nor the employee could get velocity sensitive keys to work on the P-45. Is there a way to turn it off or on? Maybe this one was just damaged. I'll check a different GC today. Thank you!
@@MerriamPianos I'm at another GC and can't get the P-45 to do velocity sensitivity. I guess I'm getting the P-125
I was completely bummed when i found out the p45 doesnt have an output jack for amp, but atleast i got a good deal for the p45 that i’ve got🤌
6:05 , 6:42 (my notes )
Is it battery power ?
Ninguno se alimenta por baterías
Very useful !!
i would recommend the fp30x over the p125
Sluggish, super slow and noisy action that starts making unintended clicking noises within a few hours and really poor dynamics and the worst customer service on the planet : Roland.
The opposite
@@Pe6ekthen which one is good? I hate sluggish action
15:42 the display says Roland P125 ....okay i will shut up now... :)
Once I tried the roland fp10 it was hard to go Back to any of those 2
Did you buy it? I read that it makes a "click clack" noise, is that true?
@@maulyjain all digital piano make clicking sound. The only difference with lets say the p45 and the fp 10 is how their yamaha line just adds more bass and it sounds muddy
@@isidrogarcia8048 okay, thankyou!❤️
P125 vs CDP S360????
We will certainly be covering the CDPS360 in future videos and comparing it to other key models in its price category. :)
I tried P45. Somehow I liked the action after 5 minutes but after trying FP30 there is no going back to the lower-tier Yamaha action. There is no comparison. I see zero reason to buy P45 or P125 in 2021. If you like Yamaha sound or lower-level Yamaha action go and buy DGX-670 although it is more expensive.
Today I'd go to Roland fp30x/60x instead, if I want a good piano and good action.
But Roland apperanty clicks and clacks a lot.
Hi Ertan ! Would you have a recommendation for a 76-key keyboard? I was wondering about the P-121, do you have an input about it?
Thanks a lot!
Should I buy a used p125 or buy a new p45?
Buy a new p45
@@souradipchatterjee619 Thank you!
@@tranvansample701 Welcome brother.
I had a Yamaha P-35 for several years. I recently retired it and bought the P-45. Very pleased with my purchase.
Hey, Stu are you running out piano to compare , 45 is outdated and you just got it in 😄😄😄
I found out the Roland Keyola was been around for at least 2 years:
th-cam.com/users/alexeyismirnovvideos
Stu presented it as something that was just released. Perhaps in his market, I don't know. I know they sell them at Piano Planet in Honolulu. There is another video that shows it being assembled. The so called furniture case is highly over rated. It's basically a plastic piano placed into a stand fabricated from wooden legs, with an awkwardly folding wood lid.
That's my first reaction when seeing this 😁
@@JoeLinux2000 Canada gets everything last. Not even by a little bit. As far as newly released digital pianos and acoustic anyway. There’s also just very little availability in general, and fairly few music stores in general, it’s a population/geography distribution thing. We don’t even have the Aures 500 listed as available on the Kawai website for Canada at all.
Stage pianos absolutely have to be connected to either nice headphones or a nice amp. The built in speakers are always a joke.
Also, forget about the Roland FP-10x, 30x or 60x if you want to be able to play a simple, slow trill or just don't want a unintentionally noisy action that Roland will call a warranty issue at first and a to be expected non-issue when they realize they can't fix it.
Justice not observed... We know that 125 is better than 45 but we are waiting will 45 be okey or will worth purchasing.
You were so concerned about p125.
Since it's a comparison video, we would appreciate to tune, turn and hit the keys one after the other.
Thank you for tuning in. The video was intended to discuss and showcase some of the key differences between the two models opposed to determining which one is a "better" piano. That will always be a subjective opinion. Thanks again and all the best!
You are losing weight Stu. Hope you are doing well!
Sorry but the Casio cdp feel bad...
you got a pedel in the box on one of them (p125 or p45)
It's a variation of the button function not the sound. Clearly you must be a musician.
Thanks for tuning in! We appreciate it.
the choice would have been so easy if p45 had 3 pedals :C
Does the P125 come with pedals?
Have 3 pedals*
@@GoingToAFuneral i dont know tbh most likely
ok
Thanks for watching! :)
@@MerriamPianos just bought the p125
The P125 and Kawai ES 110 pianos are outdated pianos. No real bluetooth, The Apps really only work with i pads/ phone that Japan thinks everyone uses. The action is old on the Yamaha and the Roland fp 30x blows them out of the water. They don't have a USB thumb port , and can't send sounds and rhythms to the keyboard. Bluetooth that just sends you tube music to a piano is about worthless. They don't have midi bluetooth either. The Casio psx 1000 and 3000 suffer from this also. Roland in it's price category smokes them! Roland is way ahead of the curve.
I used to think like that when about to buy my first digital piano. I made a research for 2 weeks from various sources about the features, key actions, price, brands etc that got me even more confused.
Then I realized that what mattered to me was the sounds that pleased my ears, because that's the reason I would buy a piano in the first place. So I decided to buy P125, although it was not even on my list before, but when after I accidentally clicked on P125 demo video that turned out to be favorite.
The ES110 is due for an update, but your information is inaccurate. It does have Bluetooth MIDI. The RHC action is a very good, responsive action, the Roland is only "better" if you prefer a heavier action and/or want let-off simulation. Also, I've heard reports of the PHA-4 developing issues over time like "clicking". Finally, many people dislike Roland's very bright, somewhat metallic piano tone, although I would say with the FP30X Roland has finally got their piano tone sounding rather good. I would still prefer to tone the brightness down a couple notches.
Ultimately, there are multiple really good entry level options from Kawai, Roland, and Yamaha (though Yamaha in particular really does need to update their entry-levels, and the GHS action in particular). Not everyone has the same priorities or tastes, so declaring one option as objectively better is nonsense. It's just your opinion, man.
I heard rumors that yamaha is due for an update of the p125 this year.
Claro, pero el flaco que toca tiene un toque fuerte y no domina las intensidades, imposible destacar las posibilidades de los pianos con un pianista que toca todo fuerte y le pega todo el tiempo.
Ultimately, the tonal and dynamic output of any piano will always be heavily influenced by the player themselves and their particular playing style. With that said, we always strive to show as many of the tonal and dynamic possibilities that a piano offers. Thanks so much for taking the time to check out the video! :)
Man epiko todo lo malo esq vivo en Latinoamerica , ayuda !
hmmm I like better the sound on tbe p45 lfmao
It is a matter of preference of course! It isn't always the most expensive instrument that sounds best to a player's ears. :)
These are not pianos, a piano has strings and a wooden soundboard.
Looks like we got a real professor over here.
i got yamaha p125. it's a piece of shit. im trying to sell it and buy a px s1000
come on !!