of course football for european , south american and africa it's a religion !! Bill shankly said : football , it's not a question of life and death, it's much more important than that !
@@roms4154 Shanks did say that but it is so often misquoted, it was referring to the effect it had on him personally and the toll it took on his family. He does however make a very good point, misquoted or not
Pretty much football is very tribal thats why there is a heavy police presance at every football game because people will kill for their football team not a joke. In the 1980s English fans were banned from the whole European continent because there were always riots and fights after games. Oddly now the Russians have adopted that same type of fan an whereever you get Russian football fans you always have fights now and they generally target British & American fans.
The biggest issue with American sports is that there’s no real consequence for bad performance, and I say that as a big NFL fan from the UK. The worst teams get rewarded with the best players in the draft. There’s no relegation, no real loss of revenue. In football leagues across Europe, you can watch your team climb the divisions, attract better quality players, make runs through the knockout tournaments like the FA cup or Copa Del Rey. There’s also the addition of local teams. The NFL has 32 teams from the biggest cities across the country, many of which have 1 team per state. UK football has nearly 100 teams in the top 4 divisions, many of which represent small towns.
Yup - this is why there was such huge fan protests and backlash against the attempted formation of the European Super League in football (pushed for a lot by American club owners like the Glazer family at Man Utd and John W Henry with Liverpool). Fans hated the idea of introducing this American type of closed structure into the league system, in which the biggest clubs would qualify for the biggest European competition no matter how good or badly they performed during the season previous. Football is still far from perfect fairness wise, but the relegation system adds jeopardy and excitement, and a much better sense of meritocracy.
The difference is in america there is no competition, if you do badly nothing happens except you get to pick the best college players (which in itself is a weird af system but lets not get into that). In Europe clubs can go bankrupt if the team does badly so there is more at stake and that breeds more passionate fans.
exactly there is no fear of relegation to a lower league no consequences for shit play on a shit season. where as in UK and Europe teams that are at the bottom of the table at the endof the season find them selevs in a lower league and those that promoted to the higher leagues tend to earn more
Let's just hope that the shitty European Super League doesn't rear its' ugly head again! If they had called it something more accurate, such as the "Three Countries, Lasted Less Than Three Days, For Glory Hunters And Prawn Sandwich Eating Tossers League!" it may have worked!
@@wir154 yeah hopefully that idea is good and dead. But again that was an attempt by americans to take the competitive aspect out of it so that they dont lose revenue when the clubs they own fail to qualify for the UCL.
@John Doe its not the draft picks that mean there isnt competition its the lack of mobility. If you decided to form an nfl team tomorrow they would never be able to compete for the super bowl because its a closed system, theres no promotion or relegation. I could form a football team tomorrow and eventually win the champions league. Admittedly its unlikely but the possibility is there. I included the draft system to illustrate that if a team does badly in nfl they get the pick of the youth players whereas if a team does badly in football they get relegated, lose millions in revenue, all their best players leave and some continue to fall through the leagues until they go bankrupt.
"you are born into a football club" - thats the first time ive heard an american actually understand european fans. I introduced my son to my club when he was 3 years old, that was 4 years ago, we still go to every home game. My son is a 5th generation fan, my family have been following Boldklubben FREM since 1936. Passion, Tradition. Love. Loyalty.
Never heard of the club, but much respect. I just bought my lil bro, 7 years old ,his first nk Maribor scarf, yesterday he was at his first game, he was more enchanted by the ultras than the game lol
En gang fremmer - altid fremmer! Det var den første klub, hvor jeg snørede et par fodboldstøvler, og den blå/røde trøje var den første klubtrøje jeg trak over mit hoved. Mange mange år senere, og mit hjerte ligger stadig i klubben. Forza Frem!
I watch the NFL and it amazes me how there are fans from opposing teams in the same area of the stadium. That is just unimaginable in Europe. Without doubt they'd be violence.
i watch liverpool vs everton . city vs mu barca vs espayol etc etc and you can see their supporter sit side by side. because in derby ,you are enemy in game ,not in real life. and you can find so many family support different team if their city has more than one club
@@youknowit5925 The problem is that there are more specific areas within the names, for example, Manchester United is based in Old Trafford, while Manchester City are based in Manchester itself. There are also people called “glory hunters.” Switch to a team doing better than the one they currently support, disloyal at best.
@@woogangamadeusmozart3642 Turkish teams have had a bit of a reputation for having violent supporters. Opposing fans have been killed when they have travelled there to watch their team
Note how in the clips from the US, they are always "guided" by music from the speaker systems. American fans are (correct me if im wrong here) "told" when to sing and chant and do their gimmicks like the Tomahawk Chop by the event runners, while everything you hear in European matches is fan/supporter guided. They make all the music themselves. Music is only played on the speakers when a team scores a goal.
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess if you have given your security over to America, you don't need to worry about it yourself any more. Gotta have some purpose, so playing a children's game as a grown man is as good of a way as any. I just don't get why your men don't play men's sports instead.
Thing to remember is some of the team rivalries have been going for so long, take for example celtic and rangers, both teams are based in glasgow scotland, their rivalry began in 1888
@@melchormanechor9698 50% of your point is religion. I’m really not sure how you have come to the conclusions it is ‘fuck all’ to do with religion. Wikipedia’s opening gambit in Glaswegian Sectarianism: Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Roman Catholics and Protestants.
"You're born into a football club, and that's how it stays until you die," just understanding that should give you automatic citizenship. Well done boys!
It's just that football is a more intensely emotional experience to watch as a fan, than American football is. American football lacks the continuous tension and alternation between hope and despair that football has. So football fans get more intense, because the highs are higher and the lows are lower. And then there's the fights - the fact that fans travelling to away games are in a degree of danger from the home fans. That's going to make young men more tribal in their loyalty.
@@Pantelifts10 that's what i am thinking to every one of these kind of videos😂. "Just if sm had put a translation of the lyrics in the subtitles". THAT'S THE REACTION VIDEO I WANT TO SEE
since 1900 there has only been peace in Europe between 1925-1932 every other year until this day there has been atleast 1 active war within europe. Just because there aren't open fire-fights left and right doesn't mean wars aren't still happening.
I'm an American as well and before you even start this video, I have one word to say: yes. As I'm watching the video, there are two key differences: one are flares/fire/explosions of any sort, and the other is Americans need music to chant along to where as our European counterparts make the music as they chant. Even the rowdiest of crowds in America don't come close to what can happen at football and basketball matches in Europe (or South America).
We're both. We drink tea and talk about Heidegger and Sartre during the week and on Sunday we go support our team with all our passion, have beer and hug complete strangers. I think in Europe we don't separate people that much into categories. Like in the US you have popular kids opposed to geeks and nerds or pretty girls/handsome guys opposed to intelligent kids. In Europe you can be both, it's not opposed.
"Europeans where more sophisticated and proper" -And we are! See, back in the day, some people called the Romans started a trend by creating spaces called "stadium" (Latin for stadium) where most of the bat shit craziest displays of crazy happened (good times). I mean they were civilized (by that Era's standards), than the rest of the "barbarian" tribes in Europe, not yet conqu-civilized. Seems that tradition still holds to this day.. minus the gore filled gladiator tournaments, unleashing lions on Christians, and epic Naval battles, and .. But yeah, I guess the spirit lives on XD
@@pedromrques actually the Greeks invented the stadium (στάδιον) as a place for athletics. The Greek stadion was meant for athletes to exercise in order to honour the gods. They were always part of some sanctuary and didn't involve killing. The Romans invented the circus as a place of entertainment for the masses. There were two different kinds in ancient Rome: Those that had the form of a Greek stadion, where they held races (Circus Maximus and Piazza Navona in Rome have up to today kept their shape); and those with a round shape, like the Colosseum, meant for gladiator battles, naval battles, killings of wild animals and other crazy stuff, the Greeks had not thought about. The Greeks also had invented the theater, but as a therapeutic measure. Theaters also were part of sanctuaries and meant to help people cope with their emotions better. The Romans ripped the theater of its religious function and just made it entertainment. The reason why the Romans spoiled theater and stadion of their religious meaning was that they treated humans as gods, while Greeks wouldn't do that.
@@helgaioannidis9365 God, I just love learning more about ancient civilizations, always something new and surprising. Thanks so much for your wonderful reply Helga, very educational! My comment was a bit tongue in cheek :P , as in "Stadium" is actually a Latin word that stayed to this day. ...and I did know the amphitheaters or circuses (you know, the round shaped ones like the colosseum), were the places where the crazy stuff happened.
As a European, I was about 10 times in a football stadium to watch a game in Europe. I also was at a Baseball match in San Francisco. The two main differences were that at the Baseball match, only 50% of the fans were there when the game started, and 50% already left before the game was over. You won't see that in Europe, except your team is loosing like 5-0 and you go out of protest. Also another difference, in America they ate hot dogs and nachos and all the other stuff and rarely anyone was drinking beer, many were drinking coke etc. At a European football match, basically everyone has a beer in their hand, and you MAY see an occasional sausage or something, but mostly just drinking. That might explain the fires though.
Americans- 'De-Fence De-Fence De-Fence!' English- Lets all spontaneously burst into an unrehearsed song about your captain's love life, to the tune of The Dambusters
Good shout getting on the football hype. I’m British and not even that into football compared to my family but when the World Cup/euros come around it becomes my whole life. It’s all I want to talk about. I could watch these reaction videos for days 😂
I just found about your channel guys and I should say that you are the most genuine Americans reacting to football on this platform. You are not overreacting or saying some random bullshit. Your conversation feels real.
To be fair tho, those college American football clips were pretty good, probably the peak of American support and it's awesome, but football is just in a whole different league, it's as engrained into each person so deeply the passion is insane
The main difference is that in the US a huge number of sports fans are glory hunters who will follow whoever is winning at the time. It's only really the North East region that has generations of fans following the same team and local identities. It's very rare to have someone from Boston being anything other than a Red Sox and Patriots fan. Same for New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and into the Great Lakes area. It genuinely puzzles Europeans than someone from LA is a Cowboys fan or someone from Seattle is a Yankees fan. In Europe, it's hugely geographic (if you are from a town then most people there will be a fan of a team from that town) or it's in your blood and your dad was a fan and his dad was probably a fan of the same team too (or you choose their direct local rival to piss your dad off). There are glory hunters in Europe too, but it's not the normal way.
UK has it's fair share of glory hunters, like if you're from a small town away from a big city and that town's football team is shit; they tend to pick one of the teams in the prem like Man Utd and Liverpool... also people born on the other side of the country would follow one of the big teams in the Prem and claim their relative's are from there blah blah blah... so there is an element of glory hunting
Not to mention if you're from Northern Ireland or Wales... a lot of people have more than one team... their local team then an English prem team to support... (in Northern Ireland i knew a lot of friends who supported a local team then celtic or rangers then a prem team in England
@@ianoo23 Yes, I agree completely, but across Europe for let's say 75% of people it's about family or local pride/belonging. The glory hunters are in the main just twats in general and look for the success of "their" team as some kind of personal achievement in their minds.
Love this reaction, you're honest to yourself and i can tell by your face how impressed u are by european football culture I wish u would one day experience this by yourself, visiting a derby in the block where the fans are going crazy. That would be something u would never forget for your entire life
The flares used in Europe are Naval/Yachting emergency flares. Never heard of a road flare. Also they are not much used in the UK, probably harder to get into the grounds.
In the USA you have one team per city. In my city there are 2 Professional teams and another 5 within 20 miles. We also have 4 semi-pro teams. Once a Blade always a Blade!!!
Europe has a lot of football clubs. England has like 42000 (only 2000 play in the national league system), Germany has like 24000. Most of them obviously aren't professional but they are all registered as football clubs.
We don't really have that European Ultra culture in the UK. We had a casual culture of Italian/French designer clothes and sportswear, pubs, drugs and hooliganism. It replaced the youth cults of the 70s such as skins and punks. Lads wearing club colours were known as scarfers/shirters. You'll never really see that mass co-ordinated chanting/colours/flag waving in the UK, although it is creeping in a bit at clubs like Palace and Lincoln.
Scotland has a decent European Utlra culture, Green Brigade, Union Bears are some of the best in the world and then you have smaller groups such as Well Bois, Since 1875, BHOYS, Northbank Aggro, Fair City Unity, Gorgie Boys
Gentlemen, as a Scottish person I can tell you we are an absolute bunch o savages over here, remember Europeans colonised the rest o the planet at one time. Had to be a bit mental to pull that off. We calmed down, a bit, and basically replaced most of the fighting with football. It's totally tribal and even mild mannered skinny blokes like me turn into nutters the nearer we get to the stadium. And the "battle" is won as much in the stands as it is on the pitch.
The key word here I think, is stadium. See, back in the day, some people called the Romans started a trend by creating spaces called "stadium" (Latin for stadium) where most of the bat shit craziest displays of madness happened (good times). I mean they were civilized (by that Era's standards), than the rest of the "barbarian" tribes in Europe, not yet conqu-civilized. Seems that tradition still holds to this day.. minus the gore filled gladiator tournaments, unleashing lions on Christians, and epic Naval battles, and .. But yeah, I guess the spirit lives on XD
Bread and Circuses. films, football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult…. George Orwell, 1984
I reckon the franchise system is to blame. Your outfits essentially just threaten your cities with "support us or we'll leave" where over here our clubs have been embedded into local communities for over a century. That makes a big difference.
The thing is in the us there’s 35 teams in the nfl so not even one per state, in eu let’s say Denmark, little under 6 million people live there and there’s 6 divisions with 12 teams each, every city has if not multiple then at least one team so you can support the team from which city you live in which makes the experience something else
Liverpool manager Bill Shankley once said, some people think football is a matter of life and death, I don't like that attitude...I can assure them its much more important than that
The size of the US plays a big role. Because distances to travel for games can be vast (think Florida to Seattle) there is limited away support compared to the UK, meaning the vast majority are supporting the same team. In the UK you can have two teams that are literally a 20 minute drive apart and when they play each other its a true local rivalry
@@Aithis. That's kinda the point though, familiar song structures to familiar tunes with topical variation means that you only have to hear the chant aloud once before you know enough to join in. Football chants are like memes that way - the tunes are the stock image, the song structures are the text that gets changed slightly with each new variation.
Basically, imagine that time Philadelphia destroyed its city to celebrate winning. That is what the fans of every major city and smallest village do when we get a win
The 'world' series for baseball. how many countries compete in said 'world' ... series ????? ... when you answer that question you've answered a lot about US sport
I was told a few years ago that 'The World Series' was so-called because it was sponsored by 'The New York World'' newspaper. Although I've learned since that this claim is disputed by a number of people. Maybe these guys can clear that up?
There used to be true fan scenes in US sports as well until the late 70s and early 80s. The leagues just "cleaned up" pro sports and wanted to get rid of these actual fans, to make everything more family friendly. So we only have it in college sports these days. But you had great and crazy fans in US sports as well back then.
The last one is actually from norway, not sweeden. Love watching your videos on this though. European football is amazing. Been too so many games as a soccer fan, and the atmosphere is electric for sure 😃
The chant of Aris is just smth else man...So catchy and so insulting its amazing...The Greek and Serbian Ultras even top most if not all of the best Ultras in the rest of Europe...I love it
thank god you said football for both sports :) i love to see the reaction. but yes European football fans are no way in the same as American. wether thats good or bad is up for debate. but until you are inside one of these stadiums you cannot imagine the passion. it might as well be an out of body experience
You are fine. Recently a 19 year old boy was stabbed to death in Greece just because he was walking in the street with a scarfe of his team. We should be more like you not the other way around
You two are pretty smart when breaking this stuff down... comes across really well on this video! It is of course mainly about demographics and in particular young men... your insightful and initial observation that it might be more comparable to US college football is therefore correct regarding the level of 'tostesterone' fuelled madness involved. As everyone who genuinely loves the game matures we tend to lighten up on our more extreme 'behaviours' and elevated tribal allegencies whether in UK, Europe or the US... including me. Besides, I've seen plenty of US news reports of rampaging, lunacy following US football games too so it can be comparable to some extent! Living in London gives such a wealth of choice that going to watch West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea or any other good professional game is common practise for the genuine lovers of the game of football itself! Restricting your passion for the game to simply watching and supporting just one team is not only puerile but really stupid too! Plenty of that 'blinkered' nonsense in the UK, Europe and the US of course! I'm currently travelling the world and going to watch games of football is part of this astounding and amazing experience for me personally so watching international 'brands' of lunacy as well as the game itself is still astonishingly entertaining for me... only mild condemnation is therefore implied here regarding an old English rampaging lunatic from the 70's. Yes... it was of course my generations extremes in the UK which really messed it all up from an historical and social perspective. Try a deep dive here guys... th-cam.com/video/7-VY2L-GHAU/w-d-xo.html Outstanding channel... crack on you two! SUBD!
I think one main difference aside from clubs having actual stakes of relegation and bankruptcy, that those are fans, in fan clubs, and Ultras, the most dedicated fans. And chants aren't coming directed by someone on the PA system, a song being played, something on a video wall telling people to chant or clap, but from the fans, often directed by a Capo, one in the fan groups. And there is more than "just" chanting De-Fence, having the Chiefs.. whatever it is called, or what not. There are tons of different chants and club-specific songs. And, depending on where, but oftentimes there still are cheaper tickets available, so it's not just people with money coming, but everyone who fully supports it, no matter their income.
The best game of football I went to was in the Olympia Stadium in Berlin. I believe it was Köln vs Berlin and my father managed to get tickets while on holiday 😂 it's a shame I was only about 15/16 ish
10:34 Well I remember this quote from Carlton, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, quoted from memory. "I used to think that the English were the epitome of etiquette and class. Then I discovered "Benny Hill Show".
Flares in the UK would be a bad idea, but plenty of places in Europe it would be a good idea 🤣🤣🤣another good comparison for you guys in American burnouts v Aussie burnouts 👍🏻😉😊
European football competition is a modern form of war and the fans (or hooligans depending how you view it) do battle with one another inside and outside the stadiums. Riot police are often on duty at high profile matches where tensions can run high. Although it has calmed down a lot in recent years. 1970/80/90's were a real problem with football hooliganism between fans, mass battles taking place outside of stadiums at big matches. Special police units were formed in most EU countries to deal with the problem and some of the worst trouble makers getting lifetime bans and prison time.
The European fan culture is not comparable with the US. It's like war. Actually, we understand each other. but when it's match day, then we are warriors.
Why do they say everything is on fire all the time😂🤣----- GUYS,nothing is on fire,nothing is burning..-----they're just flares-----it's safe----we know what we're doing😂🤣-----C H I L L
An important aspect to also consider is the geography. Almost all games in Europe (& not just football) have a strong away support because they don't have to travel so far. Also there are far more 'derbies/rivalries' across both local & Euro comps, each with their own different stories & history. As you rightly said, the college following is probably more similar, although most football fans have supported from day 1, not when they get to college/Uni. Fundemental though is the 'franchise' system throughout American sports - Aside from a few untouchable francises there is the possibility they could move, therefore the passion is never there to start & never there upon a move (apart from the owners who want to make more $$$)
crowds in US orchestrated by the stadium with the music etc. Whereas in soccer everything is orchestrated by the fans themselves and there is a more varied amount of songs etc
So sad: us folks are such wimps when it comes to have a fun time at football games and little fireworks happening but when it comes to real fireworks=weapons that are killing people and even kids in school you are stopping being wimps! It’s not a critical comment on you guys - just on your system and the way of thinking that is people should think about
1:30 You’re completely right mate. I was born into Chelsea football club from my family with no say so or choice but I love them and would never change them for anything in the world.
I don't think soft is the right word, I've heard stories about the stuff that goes down at American Football games. If think it's that there's less creativity and willingness to be creative and less passion. It's related to that silly franchise system you guys use for everything, plus what we in Europe call Man City Syndrome - it's all a bit engineered by PR people rather than from the grassroots.
Supporting an American Football Franchise is a hobby.
Supporting a Football Club is a way of life. A religious experience
of course football for european , south american and africa it's a religion !!
Bill shankly said : football , it's not a question of life and death, it's much more important than that !
So true
@@roms4154 Shanks did say that but it is so often misquoted, it was referring to the effect it had on him personally and the toll it took on his family. He does however make a very good point, misquoted or not
Pretty much football is very tribal thats why there is a heavy police presance at every football game because people will kill for their football team not a joke. In the 1980s English fans were banned from the whole European continent because there were always riots and fights after games. Oddly now the Russians have adopted that same type of fan an whereever you get Russian football fans you always have fights now and they generally target British & American fans.
Almost everyone in Europe, South America and Africs has a team in favour. I say 7 in 10.
In Europe, the goal of the crowd is to let the other team know they're in enemy territory.
Na América do sul você está morto,so que esqueceram de contar
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Yeah but not at RB leipzig 😂🤢
@@niklas3433You are scared?
@@thebottleofkovalskia4438 why should I? I just hate RB extremely and I hope that they won't win anything
The biggest issue with American sports is that there’s no real consequence for bad performance, and I say that as a big NFL fan from the UK. The worst teams get rewarded with the best players in the draft. There’s no relegation, no real loss of revenue. In football leagues across Europe, you can watch your team climb the divisions, attract better quality players, make runs through the knockout tournaments like the FA cup or Copa Del Rey. There’s also the addition of local teams. The NFL has 32 teams from the biggest cities across the country, many of which have 1 team per state. UK football has nearly 100 teams in the top 4 divisions, many of which represent small towns.
Spot on, I’m a big fan of US sports but that is the main weakness of it I think
@@vaudevillian7 also nfl and mlb are just heavy, heavy shite
Well put mate
The best part of your fans is darude sandstorm blasting out after 7 nation army
Yup - this is why there was such huge fan protests and backlash against the attempted formation of the European Super League in football (pushed for a lot by American club owners like the Glazer family at Man Utd and John W Henry with Liverpool). Fans hated the idea of introducing this American type of closed structure into the league system, in which the biggest clubs would qualify for the biggest European competition no matter how good or badly they performed during the season previous. Football is still far from perfect fairness wise, but the relegation system adds jeopardy and excitement, and a much better sense of meritocracy.
Europeans like watching Americans react to European stuff, because our cultures in sports are so different.
Cultures in general. They're a different breed we can all laugh at lol
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I'm a uk person that's why I'm here
@@fidomf7922 welsh person who supports English team due to family etc, this is exactly why I’m here
Asians too
No they want to feel better than the big us
The difference is in america there is no competition, if you do badly nothing happens except you get to pick the best college players (which in itself is a weird af system but lets not get into that). In Europe clubs can go bankrupt if the team does badly so there is more at stake and that breeds more passionate fans.
exactly there is no fear of relegation to a lower league no consequences for shit play on a shit season. where as in UK and Europe teams that are at the bottom of the table at the endof the season find them selevs in a lower league and those that promoted to the higher leagues tend to earn more
Let's just hope that the shitty European Super League doesn't rear its' ugly head again! If they had called it something more accurate, such as the "Three Countries, Lasted Less Than Three Days, For Glory Hunters And Prawn Sandwich Eating Tossers League!" it may have worked!
@@wir154 yeah hopefully that idea is good and dead. But again that was an attempt by americans to take the competitive aspect out of it so that they dont lose revenue when the clubs they own fail to qualify for the UCL.
Couldnt have said it better myself 🤙
@John Doe its not the draft picks that mean there isnt competition its the lack of mobility. If you decided to form an nfl team tomorrow they would never be able to compete for the super bowl because its a closed system, theres no promotion or relegation. I could form a football team tomorrow and eventually win the champions league. Admittedly its unlikely but the possibility is there. I included the draft system to illustrate that if a team does badly in nfl they get the pick of the youth players whereas if a team does badly in football they get relegated, lose millions in revenue, all their best players leave and some continue to fall through the leagues until they go bankrupt.
Americans will never embrace the fact that a 0-0 game can be a brilliant spectacle without a goal or a winner.
or even if your team loses... even more if it is in a really dramatic way!
Because there is a game after the game its called last man Standing😂
"you are born into a football club" - thats the first time ive heard an american actually understand european fans. I introduced my son to my club when he was 3 years old, that was 4 years ago, we still go to every home game. My son is a 5th generation fan, my family have been following Boldklubben FREM since 1936. Passion, Tradition. Love. Loyalty.
Never heard of the club, but much respect. I just bought my lil bro, 7 years old ,his first nk Maribor scarf, yesterday he was at his first game, he was more enchanted by the ultras than the game lol
@@murdanauf did he sing with them lol?
En gang fremmer - altid fremmer! Det var den første klub, hvor jeg snørede et par fodboldstøvler, og den blå/røde trøje var den første klubtrøje jeg trak over mit hoved. Mange mange år senere, og mit hjerte ligger stadig i klubben. Forza Frem!
Lokale fans er sgu også værd at respektere.
I watch the NFL and it amazes me how there are fans from opposing teams in the same area of the stadium. That is just unimaginable in Europe. Without doubt they'd be violence.
i watch liverpool vs everton .
city vs mu
barca vs espayol
etc
etc
and you can see their supporter sit side by side.
because in derby ,you are enemy in game ,not in real life.
and you can find so many family support different team if their city has more than one club
@@youknowit5925 The problem is that there are more specific areas within the names, for example, Manchester United is based in Old Trafford, while Manchester City are based in Manchester itself. There are also people called “glory hunters.” Switch to a team doing better than the one they currently support, disloyal at best.
@@youknowit5925 nah. You are fighting for your city, for your club. As we say "Our club, our live."
1 month ago or so a massive brawl broke out at marseille/Istanbul
@@woogangamadeusmozart3642 Turkish teams have had a bit of a reputation for having violent supporters. Opposing fans have been killed when they have travelled there to watch their team
Note how in the clips from the US, they are always "guided" by music from the speaker systems. American fans are (correct me if im wrong here) "told" when to sing and chant and do their gimmicks like the Tomahawk Chop by the event runners, while everything you hear in European matches is fan/supporter guided. They make all the music themselves. Music is only played on the speakers when a team scores a goal.
And even that's shite
Music is also played for the club "anthem" (for most top clubs) when players walk out.
That only applies to the 4 American sports. It does not apply for those of us who follow our local soccer team.
Well europe had more than 2000 years of war so the fighting spirit is in us to defend our club,town,country
and the U.S is working hard every day to beat europe’s record in terms of war. and i believe soon they will do it
@Jacob Shapiro trust me US government are replacing its people with smart ones coming from africa asia even europe and poor country
2000? More like 15.000
You aren't defending a god damn thing. You are a bunch of football nerds that's it, and that's ok.
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess if you have given your security over to America, you don't need to worry about it yourself any more. Gotta have some purpose, so playing a children's game as a grown man is as good of a way as any. I just don't get why your men don't play men's sports instead.
Thing to remember is some of the team rivalries have been going for so long, take for example celtic and rangers, both teams are based in glasgow scotland, their rivalry began in 1888
It’s so interesting that the rivalry is such a religious foundation, but let’s face it, very few people in the UK are still actually religious.
@@minimanukuk Still hate each other though
Let's be honest, it began in 1688 😂🇬🇧
@@melchormanechor9698 Catholics/Protestants
@@melchormanechor9698 50% of your point is religion. I’m really not sure how you have come to the conclusions it is ‘fuck all’ to do with religion. Wikipedia’s opening gambit in Glaswegian Sectarianism: Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Roman Catholics and Protestants.
As my father told me on when watching my first match.
"If people get loud and angry, remember: this is no competition, this is war in a stadium."
That's the best thing i ever read
@@kenzielawrence4079 Speak for yourself! That both hyped me up and traumatised me as a kid. All in a single phrase! 🤣🤣
@@drewbolton8286 that thing hyped me alot
@@kenzielawrence4079 Same, G, Same 🤣❤
The most dangerous thing at an American Football game is the food. Those trans fats! Holy shit! The FDA is gonna do you in before some flares.
Stop it 💀
@@Sadhorror I wish I could....
they need to replace the trans fats for trats fans
Damn you I wipe my screen several times.
@@syafiqsani3652 I know, I'm a real douche!
"You're born into a football club, and that's how it stays until you die," just understanding that should give you automatic citizenship. Well done boys!
It's just that football is a more intensely emotional experience to watch as a fan, than American football is. American football lacks the continuous tension and alternation between hope and despair that football has. So football fans get more intense, because the highs are higher and the lows are lower. And then there's the fights - the fact that fans travelling to away games are in a degree of danger from the home fans. That's going to make young men more tribal in their loyalty.
As european I like how they bob their heads without knowing what the chants say , especially the GREEK ones.
Only if they knew 😂
@@Pantelifts10 that's what i am thinking to every one of these kind of videos😂. "Just if sm had put a translation of the lyrics in the subtitles". THAT'S THE REACTION VIDEO I WANT TO SEE
@@Pantelifts10 Indeed those chants are NSFW :D
"Europeans are more calm" You realize that before WW2 wars and other arm conflict were like every 5 years?
WW2 was our breaking point 🤣 after that it was time to relax
@@madyin3509 Balkans & USSR beg to differ
True! But i think we chill now! We had so much war experiences that i think we realize more and more that it's just not worth it XDDD
since 1900 there has only been peace in Europe between 1925-1932 every other year until this day there has been atleast 1 active war within europe. Just because there aren't open fire-fights left and right doesn't mean wars aren't still happening.
@@tnightwolf nah another war is coming against the taliban more than likely
I'm an American as well and before you even start this video, I have one word to say: yes.
As I'm watching the video, there are two key differences: one are flares/fire/explosions of any sort, and the other is Americans need music to chant along to where as our European counterparts make the music as they chant. Even the rowdiest of crowds in America don't come close to what can happen at football and basketball matches in Europe (or South America).
We're both. We drink tea and talk about Heidegger and Sartre during the week and on Sunday we go support our team with all our passion, have beer and hug complete strangers.
I think in Europe we don't separate people that much into categories. Like in the US you have popular kids opposed to geeks and nerds or pretty girls/handsome guys opposed to intelligent kids. In Europe you can be both, it's not opposed.
"Europeans where more sophisticated and proper" -And we are!
See, back in the day, some people called the Romans started a trend by creating spaces called "stadium" (Latin for stadium) where most of the bat shit craziest displays of crazy happened (good times).
I mean they were civilized (by that Era's standards), than the rest of the "barbarian" tribes in Europe, not yet conqu-civilized.
Seems that tradition still holds to this day.. minus the gore filled gladiator tournaments, unleashing lions on Christians, and epic Naval battles, and ..
But yeah, I guess the spirit lives on XD
@@pedromrques actually the Greeks invented the stadium (στάδιον) as a place for athletics. The Greek stadion was meant for athletes to exercise in order to honour the gods. They were always part of some sanctuary and didn't involve killing.
The Romans invented the circus as a place of entertainment for the masses. There were two different kinds in ancient Rome: Those that had the form of a Greek stadion, where they held races (Circus Maximus and Piazza Navona in Rome have up to today kept their shape); and those with a round shape, like the Colosseum, meant for gladiator battles, naval battles, killings of wild animals and other crazy stuff, the Greeks had not thought about.
The Greeks also had invented the theater, but as a therapeutic measure. Theaters also were part of sanctuaries and meant to help people cope with their emotions better. The Romans ripped the theater of its religious function and just made it entertainment.
The reason why the Romans spoiled theater and stadion of their religious meaning was that they treated humans as gods, while Greeks wouldn't do that.
@@helgaioannidis9365 God, I just love learning more about ancient civilizations, always something new and surprising.
Thanks so much for your wonderful reply Helga, very educational!
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek :P , as in "Stadium" is actually a Latin word that stayed to this day.
...and I did know the amphitheaters or circuses (you know, the round shaped ones like the colosseum), were the places where the crazy stuff happened.
@@pedromrques 😀❤️
As a European, I was about 10 times in a football stadium to watch a game in Europe. I also was at a Baseball match in San Francisco. The two main differences were that at the Baseball match, only 50% of the fans were there when the game started, and 50% already left before the game was over. You won't see that in Europe, except your team is loosing like 5-0 and you go out of protest. Also another difference, in America they ate hot dogs and nachos and all the other stuff and rarely anyone was drinking beer, many were drinking coke etc. At a European football match, basically everyone has a beer in their hand, and you MAY see an occasional sausage or something, but mostly just drinking. That might explain the fires though.
Baseball has 162 games so the season is long. Only time it’s at full capacity if it’s a playoff game or the team is really good.
There’s a reason they ban alcohol in college games
@@waabmigizi7369 xD
@@waabmigizi7369 what is it? Americans can't tolerate alcohol?
When your grandads grandad supported the team you do, it's special :)
Yoooo it's so mad hearing these fans and how no matter what language we speak, we tend of follow the same melodies for all our chants
Yh like the Greek chant was the balotelli melody
@@hassanzaman9710 I was wondering where I recognize it from, melody wise 😂
Americans- 'De-Fence De-Fence De-Fence!'
English- Lets all spontaneously burst into an unrehearsed song about your captain's love life, to the tune of The Dambusters
These Americans understood the passion for football. Respect.
Good shout getting on the football hype. I’m British and not even that into football compared to my family but when the World Cup/euros come around it becomes my whole life. It’s all I want to talk about. I could watch these reaction videos for days 😂
I just found about your channel guys and I should say that you are the most genuine Americans reacting to football on this platform. You are not overreacting or saying some random bullshit. Your conversation feels real.
Correction.: Rosenborg Trondheim is in Norway not Sweden.
I wanna write this every time I see the video, and I see it a lot
Well, it used to be.
To be fair tho, those college American football clips were pretty good, probably the peak of American support and it's awesome, but football is just in a whole different league, it's as engrained into each person so deeply the passion is insane
The main difference is that in the US a huge number of sports fans are glory hunters who will follow whoever is winning at the time. It's only really the North East region that has generations of fans following the same team and local identities. It's very rare to have someone from Boston being anything other than a Red Sox and Patriots fan. Same for New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and into the Great Lakes area. It genuinely puzzles Europeans than someone from LA is a Cowboys fan or someone from Seattle is a Yankees fan. In Europe, it's hugely geographic (if you are from a town then most people there will be a fan of a team from that town) or it's in your blood and your dad was a fan and his dad was probably a fan of the same team too (or you choose their direct local rival to piss your dad off). There are glory hunters in Europe too, but it's not the normal way.
Remember “glory hunter” being such an insult in primary school
@@vaudevillian7 And so it should have been if someone with no connection whatsoever was a "lifelong" Man Utd/Liverpool/etc fan.
UK has it's fair share of glory hunters, like if you're from a small town away from a big city and that town's football team is shit; they tend to pick one of the teams in the prem like Man Utd and Liverpool... also people born on the other side of the country would follow one of the big teams in the Prem and claim their relative's are from there blah blah blah... so there is an element of glory hunting
Not to mention if you're from Northern Ireland or Wales... a lot of people have more than one team... their local team then an English prem team to support... (in Northern Ireland i knew a lot of friends who supported a local team then celtic or rangers then a prem team in England
@@ianoo23 Yes, I agree completely, but across Europe for let's say 75% of people it's about family or local pride/belonging. The glory hunters are in the main just twats in general and look for the success of "their" team as some kind of personal achievement in their minds.
The fact americans need the stadium to play music for them to get hyped says it all.
The second clip from the European section is from a Basketball game. Check out European basketball crowds. Apocalyptic.
And Handball.
Was Invited to a game, needed my Headphones to protect my ears and still Had a Tinnitus: but it was a great experience
Love this reaction, you're honest to yourself and i can tell by your face how impressed u are by european football culture
I wish u would one day experience this by yourself, visiting a derby in the block where the fans are going crazy. That would be something u would never forget for your entire life
The flares used in Europe are Naval/Yachting emergency flares. Never heard of a road flare. Also they are not much used in the UK, probably harder to get into the grounds.
we usually can get those smoke flares with different coloured paint but they only come out for the big matches
Basically impossible. So much security at some stadiums here. Can't even take bottles of water in lol
@@TheHesK9 it’s the same at most Western European countries, especially at the southern grounds
@@Rockadela_ not in the netherlands we bring everything we want inside the stadium
Used a bit more as of late
we don't really do flares in UK, more of a European thing, we're usually in the pubs getting wasted
Starting to see them now
In the USA you have one team per city. In my city there are 2 Professional teams and another 5 within 20 miles. We also have 4 semi-pro teams. Once a Blade always a Blade!!!
Europe has a lot of football clubs. England has like 42000 (only 2000 play in the national league system), Germany has like 24000. Most of them obviously aren't professional but they are all registered as football clubs.
I hope The Blades come back up again. I'm shocked what happened to them after a great first season.
Good luck for the championship season! Always loved yous, second best yorkshire club😏
I love you guys and your videos. For me you are the example of true honest americans, that's why i like you guys. Cheers from Portugal.
We don't really have that European Ultra culture in the UK. We had a casual culture of Italian/French designer clothes and sportswear, pubs, drugs and hooliganism. It replaced the youth cults of the 70s such as skins and punks. Lads wearing club colours were known as scarfers/shirters. You'll never really see that mass co-ordinated chanting/colours/flag waving in the UK, although it is creeping in a bit at clubs like Palace and Lincoln.
Scotland has a decent European Utlra culture, Green Brigade, Union Bears are some of the best in the world and then you have smaller groups such as Well Bois, Since 1875, BHOYS, Northbank Aggro, Fair City Unity, Gorgie Boys
@@jk2219 you forget ASC.
They aw ran away fae the CSS, should know I was watching.
@@paulsmith2516 strollers or service? Or are they one big firm now?
True , I don’t really see ultras in England . But there are a lot in Germany , Italy and France .
Gentlemen, as a Scottish person I can tell you we are an absolute bunch o savages over here, remember Europeans colonised the rest o the planet at one time. Had to be a bit mental to pull that off. We calmed down, a bit, and basically replaced most of the fighting with football. It's totally tribal and even mild mannered skinny blokes like me turn into nutters the nearer we get to the stadium. And the "battle" is won as much in the stands as it is on the pitch.
The key word here I think, is stadium.
See, back in the day, some people called the Romans started a trend by creating spaces called "stadium" (Latin for stadium) where most of the bat shit craziest displays of madness happened (good times).
I mean they were civilized (by that Era's standards), than the rest of the "barbarian" tribes in Europe, not yet conqu-civilized.
Seems that tradition still holds to this day.. minus the gore filled gladiator tournaments, unleashing lions on Christians, and epic Naval battles, and ..
But yeah, I guess the spirit lives on XD
What you dont realise is those proper people who are drinking tea in the week turn into these people on game day.
Can confirm. I drink tea (with pinky raised high) and yet I’d fight and die for my team
In America they play you a song, in Europe the fans are the song
Bread and Circuses.
films, football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult….
George Orwell, 1984
@Robertus Davros The people who thirst for war don't go to football matches and if they did, they'd sit as far away from these people as they could.
Just a small difference, you buy entertainment, the Europeans do it themselves!
I reckon the franchise system is to blame. Your outfits essentially just threaten your cities with "support us or we'll leave" where over here our clubs have been embedded into local communities for over a century. That makes a big difference.
The thing is in the us there’s 35 teams in the nfl so not even one per state, in eu let’s say Denmark, little under 6 million people live there and there’s 6 divisions with 12 teams each, every city has if not multiple then at least one team so you can support the team from which city you live in which makes the experience something else
You should have a look at European Basketball fans vs US basketball fans
Liverpool manager Bill Shankley once said, some people think football is a matter of life and death, I don't like that attitude...I can assure them its much more important than that
The size of the US plays a big role. Because distances to travel for games can be vast (think Florida to Seattle) there is limited away support compared to the UK, meaning the vast majority are supporting the same team. In the UK you can have two teams that are literally a 20 minute drive apart and when they play each other its a true local rivalry
In Dundee, the two clubs are in the same street. About 100yards between them.
@@paulsmith2516 Racing and Independiente are in the same situation.
@@paulsmith2516 same in Nottingham
In Belgrade is same situation
How about champions league and Europa league ??
Europe and especially The Balkans and Turkey are way crazier than you could even imagine. You have to be there. You have to live it to understand!
Flares don’t happen much in uk. We shatter our oppositions innocence with our cunning wit
My teams ground used to be covered on 3 sides but open at the away end. So when it rained "You're aw wet an we're no" was a particular favourite 😆😆😆
The only annoying thing about UK chants is that a lot of the chants are pretty similar and use the same choon, they’re really clever though
@@Aithis. That's kinda the point though, familiar song structures to familiar tunes with topical variation means that you only have to hear the chant aloud once before you know enough to join in. Football chants are like memes that way - the tunes are the stock image, the song structures are the text that gets changed slightly with each new variation.
rangers fans use them
English fans terrible. Rangers are terrible too.
Yeah, the riot police is always already present at bigger games. That part of football is no joke unfortunately.
Basically, imagine that time Philadelphia destroyed its city to celebrate winning. That is what the fans of every major city and smallest village do when we get a win
Opening a road flare shop in Britain when the video says Greece, flares ain’t really used in uk football
The 'world' series for baseball. how many countries compete in said 'world' ... series ????? ... when you answer that question you've answered a lot about US sport
I was told a few years ago that 'The World Series' was so-called because it was sponsored by 'The New York World'' newspaper. Although I've learned since that this claim is disputed by a number of people. Maybe these guys can clear that up?
Another thing that we don't realise we've got a population 5 times smaller than the USA in an area 5 smaller than Texas
America: Show
Europe: Passion
European football is majority adult men. Kids and women go, but I would wager by a much smaller percentage than at American football matches.
There used to be true fan scenes in US sports as well until the late 70s and early 80s. The leagues just "cleaned up" pro sports and wanted to get rid of these actual fans, to make everything more family friendly. So we only have it in college sports these days. But you had great and crazy fans in US sports as well back then.
The last one is actually from norway, not sweeden.
Love watching your videos on this though. European football is amazing. Been too so many games as a soccer fan, and the atmosphere is electric for sure 😃
The Best thing is you see clubs like Dynamo Dresden and realise that they were a third tier Club when this shot was taken😅🤣
Yeah I live and sleep football and didn’t know some of the teams.
Love how the last one says its from Sweden when its actually from Norway... Its from when Rosenborg won the league in 2015.
Its also Rosenborg BK not Rosenborg FK (coming from a SK Brann suporter)
6:31 "What a great reminder of times pre-covid" ... "I would say we're a year from that" *coughs into hand* haha, oh the irony :D
You wont see flares in stadiums UK! Some other European countries you will see them every game but deffo not in UK!
The chant of Aris is just smth else man...So catchy and so insulting its amazing...The Greek and Serbian Ultras even top most if not all of the best Ultras in the rest of Europe...I love it
The people who drink tea with their pinky become this on weekends
The last time I stepped into a stadium, I could feel the ground shanke beneath me.
Football is not just a game.
thank god you said football for both sports :) i love to see the reaction. but yes European football fans are no way in the same as American. wether thats good or bad is up for debate. but until you are inside one of these stadiums you cannot imagine the passion. it might as well be an out of body experience
Yes agree but in college and in NFL one sucks and other is like Europe. NFL it sucks but in College atmosphere it's amazing.
You too guys are naturals at this. I hope this platform takes you to another level.
Have you ever been to the UK?
You are fine. Recently a 19 year old boy was stabbed to death in Greece just because he was walking in the street with a scarfe of his team. We should be more like you not the other way around
dude since i was a kid i learned not to wear any of my team's logos except for game days when I met with all the others...
Oh god.
You two are pretty smart when breaking this stuff down... comes across really well on this video! It is of course mainly about demographics and in particular young men... your insightful and initial observation that it might be more comparable to US college football is therefore correct regarding the level of 'tostesterone' fuelled madness involved. As everyone who genuinely loves the game matures we tend to lighten up on our more extreme 'behaviours' and elevated tribal allegencies whether in UK, Europe or the US... including me. Besides, I've seen plenty of US news reports of rampaging, lunacy following US football games too so it can be comparable to some extent! Living in London gives such a wealth of choice that going to watch West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea or any other good professional game is common practise for the genuine lovers of the game of football itself! Restricting your passion for the game to simply watching and supporting just one team is not only puerile but really stupid too! Plenty of that 'blinkered' nonsense in the UK, Europe and the US of course! I'm currently travelling the world and going to watch games of football is part of this astounding and amazing experience for me personally so watching international 'brands' of lunacy as well as the game itself is still astonishingly entertaining for me... only mild condemnation is therefore implied here regarding an old English rampaging lunatic from the 70's. Yes... it was of course my generations extremes in the UK which really messed it all up from an historical and social perspective. Try a deep dive here guys... th-cam.com/video/7-VY2L-GHAU/w-d-xo.html Outstanding channel... crack on you two! SUBD!
I seriously recommend checking out liverpool football club
the difference is in europe football is passion
You guys need to see the Iceland Clap, seeing it in person is powerful
They copied it from Motherwell
I think one main difference aside from clubs having actual stakes of relegation and bankruptcy, that those are fans, in fan clubs, and Ultras, the most dedicated fans. And chants aren't coming directed by someone on the PA system, a song being played, something on a video wall telling people to chant or clap, but from the fans, often directed by a Capo, one in the fan groups. And there is more than "just" chanting De-Fence, having the Chiefs.. whatever it is called, or what not. There are tons of different chants and club-specific songs. And, depending on where, but oftentimes there still are cheaper tickets available, so it's not just people with money coming, but everyone who fully supports it, no matter their income.
The best game of football I went to was in the Olympia Stadium in Berlin. I believe it was Köln vs Berlin and my father managed to get tickets while on holiday 😂 it's a shame I was only about 15/16 ish
Wave a yellow pop pom in Europe and you won't get out of the stadium.
'We should play a drinking game - every time you see something on fire take a shot' ... bad idea boys :P
10:34
Well I remember this quote from Carlton, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, quoted from memory.
"I used to think that the English were the epitome of etiquette and class. Then I discovered "Benny Hill Show".
Huge respect for you guys 👏
In Italia there is a saying
Club
Country
God
They are known Catholics
Flares in the UK would be a bad idea, but plenty of places in Europe it would be a good idea 🤣🤣🤣another good comparison for you guys in American burnouts v Aussie burnouts 👍🏻😉😊
European football competition is a modern form of war and the fans (or hooligans depending how you view it) do battle with one another inside and outside the stadiums. Riot police are often on duty at high profile matches where tensions can run high. Although it has calmed down a lot in recent years. 1970/80/90's were a real problem with football hooliganism between fans, mass battles taking place outside of stadiums at big matches. Special police units were formed in most EU countries to deal with the problem and some of the worst trouble makers getting lifetime bans and prison time.
I hope the structural engineers included 50,000 fans jumping up and down in sync in their calculations.
as a designer in the construction industry, I was thinking "I bet the structural engineers for these stadiums really pucker when they see this".
There have been structural failures and stadium collapses... Look them up..
Yep same reason many militaries March out of step when crossing bridges
The European fan culture is not comparable with the US.
It's like war.
Actually, we understand each other. but when it's match day, then we are warriors.
I always worry when Germans decide to all do the same thing at the same time
😀😆😆😆dude...
congratulations, the stupidest comment this week...
...is the one above mine
I'm German
@@timobottner3510 🤝
Why do they say everything is on fire all the time😂🤣----- GUYS,nothing is on fire,nothing is burning..-----they're just flares-----it's safe----we know what we're doing😂🤣-----C H I L L
I'd love to see a reaction to American football vs Rugby
@7:47 that's basketball, not football.
lack of passion unless there's monetary incentive.
An important aspect to also consider is the geography. Almost all games in Europe (& not just football) have a strong away support because they don't have to travel so far. Also there are far more 'derbies/rivalries' across both local & Euro comps, each with their own different stories & history. As you rightly said, the college following is probably more similar, although most football fans have supported from day 1, not when they get to college/Uni.
Fundemental though is the 'franchise' system throughout American sports - Aside from a few untouchable francises there is the possibility they could move, therefore the passion is never there to start & never there upon a move (apart from the owners who want to make more $$$)
I got goosebumps when Dynamo Dresdon came on, reminded me of the film 'Zulu', when the Zulu warriors chanted before their attack
Nope, I'm getting more contemporary vibes than 1879 with this clip.
crowds in US orchestrated by the stadium with the music etc. Whereas in soccer everything is orchestrated by the fans themselves and there is a more varied amount of songs etc
11:10 their is definitely a big in between. You can see accountant type guys mutate to screaming lunatics on game day
So sad: us folks are such wimps when it comes to have a fun time at football games and little fireworks happening but when it comes to real fireworks=weapons that are killing people and even kids in school you are stopping being wimps! It’s not a critical comment on you guys - just on your system and the way of thinking that is people should think about
I'd love you to react to Radio conversation between US and Spain😂believe me, it's worth watching , the US navy 👌
Just found you guys today by accident and as a Crazy Cockney Wench I gotta say I love your reaction to a bog standard Saturday match lol
Football fans are bred in the UK. You're born into it!
1:30 You’re completely right mate. I was born into Chelsea football club from my family with no say so or choice but I love them and would never change them for anything in the world.
I don't think soft is the right word, I've heard stories about the stuff that goes down at American Football games. If think it's that there's less creativity and willingness to be creative and less passion. It's related to that silly franchise system you guys use for everything, plus what we in Europe call Man City Syndrome - it's all a bit engineered by PR people rather than from the grassroots.
Talking out your arse again.
You should watch one where they add subtitles for the chants
Cant watch anerican football. They all look so funny, I end up in tears.