@@happymark1805 - yes. I’ve addressed this in a few other comments (I’m pinning yours so other folks can find it). I use a little Ballistol on my fingers prior to depriming the cases. With all the cases poured out on a towel I just rub the Ballistol through them, I don’t spray it on them, just randomly lubing cases in the pile. I don’t know why I skipped over that in the video as it is pretty essential when working with these bottle necked cases. Thanks for watchin’ and asking for clarification.
@@JEDiTV thanks for the explanation, got ballistol here so I dont have to go and buy special grease for that, great, I alwas had 357magnum, 9mm and /30m1 all kinds that did not needed grease, now im trying 44-40
No problem @@happymark1805. A little spritz of Ballistol on thumb and first finger and rub it on the outside, concentrating on the top. You don’t have to lube every single case but it is important that the first few into the die have sufficient lube to get the die coated. Remember, a little goes a long way.
I recently inherited a Winchester model 1873 manufactured in 1897. My grandfather in law got it from his father who bought it new. It still shoots, but I haven't been able to find ammo under $2 a round so I thought I'd look into loading my own. From my research I've learned using smokeless in an original manufactured before 1900 is just asking for a blown chamber, so black powder it is. Thank you for creating such an informative step by step guide. I can't wait to get some rounds loaded and start shooting my historical work of art. Now I just need to find reloading dies for my Mauser Model 1897 Argentino 7.65mm
Wow I'm so glad I found you! You simplified the process so well and I've been using Lee Reloading equipment ever since I bought a Lee Anniversary Reloading kit in 1995 to produce ammo for a Rossi M65 .44-40. I keep forgeting my Lee Dipper set works for black as well as smokeless powder and you've sold me on the Lee Turret Press. It's time I graduated from the Lee Single-Stage O-Frame though I do prize the great ammo it's turned out for me over the years.
Good stuff. I use a rubber band around the bowl of black powder, this makes for quick, consistent scraping off of the excess. The RCBS Priming tools are good, I have two, one set up for small and one set up for larger primers.. I used Lee for 20+ years and as long as you put a dot of grease on them, they worked fine. I was cashed up one day and sick of not having the right shell holder for the priming tool (always on Sunday when the gun shop was closed!). I still have the RCBS Rockchucker Press I bought in 1971. It has the case kicker which makes FLS'ing brass real quick. I then prime on the RCBS tool and finish off the load on the Lee Classic Cast Turret press. Thanks.
First of your videos I watch, very clear and informative, though I’ve been loading for years, it’s nice to see other people’s way of doin things. I always pick up something
Really enjoyed this video. After buying commercial .45 Colt loads I really started researching reloading, and while I'm not sure I'm going black powder (limited places here in southern NH to shoot black powder), this video really helped from a procedure and equipment standpoint. Thank you!
Thanks for the comment Ghost Wolf! I couldn’t afford to shoot as much as I do if I didn’t load my own. So, I’m happy this information is out there now helpin’ others learn. - Jed 🤠
You sir, saved my shooting life. I bought an old 1873 replica yesterday and soon learned 44-40 is out of production. Thanks for the info on how to get shooting. Do you know of anyone making already loaded cartridges???
Thanks Andrew, glad you found this video. I have seen 44/40 on the shelf (pre-pandemic times) at Sportsman’s. I wanna say it was Black Hills that was making it… Midway also carries a couple of different manufacturers. -Jed 🤠
Winchester makes 2 different kinds of 4440. Super X for hunting which is a semi jacketed soft point, and Winchester makes a lead cast bullet for cowboy action. Ten X makes 4440, Buffalo arms makes 4440, magtech makes it, ultramax makes it, Remington makes it. They were all available before the covid china virus out break. Cant say about how available it is today.
JED iTV, thanks for another Great Video! I have been reloading Black Powder (Mainly Goex) for my Trapdoor & Shiloh Rifles in 45-70 for a few years now; Extremely Fun shooting black powder. I always enjoy your videos-Thanks Again!!
@@JEDiTVI have the same Lee loader scoops you have. I grabbed the 2.2cc, a scoop full of Goex, and on an electronic scale all I could get was 22 grains of BP! How do you get 32 grains in a 2.2cc scoop?
i use the cylinder from one of my handgun as a case gauge cheker, that work well too. I use it dismounted of the gun of course... 6 cartridges at once, and after, in the box...👍 I know you use 38 in your's handgun, case gauge chercker is needed...
It’s coming. It’s just one of those projects that gets pushed to the back-burner because I know that I’m going to have to deal with the de-monetization from TH-cam (they don’t typically run ads on this kind of content). I’ll get it out eventually though and hope the end result is worth the wait for my viewers! - Jed 🤠
Personally I don't check the brass or add primers until after expanding and belling the case mouth. This is because I have found that most of my split cases occur at this point in the process.
That is a valid point. While I do find an occasional case will split when I expand the mouth (in which case I dump the powder and carefully remove the primer to reuse in another case). But, I do find that split cases will also rear their ugly head at the de-prime stage. ~Jed 🤠
It actually looks kind of fun. Think I might give it a try. Might make my own black powder as well. After a good bit of reasearch of course. Lol Thanks JedI!
Kook and I made our own Black Powder once. Filmed it and posted it here on TH-cam. They removed it and gave my channel a "strike" for posting it. 🤷♂️ ~Jed 🤠
Great video! I have a Ruger Vaquero chambered in 44-40 and have been looking at getting into cowboy action shooting. This video is extremely helpful, because I would rather reload instead of buying brand new boxes of ammo at 45-50 dollars in price.
Ruger 4440s are notorious for being inaccurate. Ruger made them using 44 mag barrels, and the cylinders are under sized. Spend the money and have the cylinder reamed and enlarged to .429. They can be made to have better accuracy.
Awesome video! I’m new to .44-40 reloading and you helped me tremendously. I’ve got a reproduction Spencer carbine on the way that I’m going to need to feed. Thanks a bunch.
Thank you for your most informative video on reloading 44/40 cartridges. I like the way you load your black powder it is a lot quicker and looks to be a lot easier. I can’t wait to get started. All I need is a few more things from Lee Precision then the cartridges, primers, powder and bullets then I can get started! Thank you again brother! Good luck with your next Cowboy Action shooting!!😁
Nicely done, Jed. Highly entertaining and informative, as usual. Your clear and concise description of this loading method would make it very simple for anyone to load these cartridges with ease. I follow a similar routine. Only, I flare the case mouths first, then add the powder. I did try it your way, though. Works just as well. Two thumbs up!
Thanks. For me I flare the case mouth after because that is when the cartridge is moving from the loading tray to the press. Once it gets to the press, it’s flare, seat bullet, crimp, repeat. Jed 🤠
I’ve thought about it and I have friends that do it. But, I have a pretty good deal going with the folks at Desperado Cowboy Bullets so I’ll let them take care of the labor 😉. ~Jed 🤠
Hi Jed. I use about the same routine but have a Dillon 550B with the dies set up for black powder shells. Same steps just when the shell plate is full one pull is one round. The powder is dipped and poured through the Lee die because having a pound or so of Black gun Powder right in my face is not comfortable to me. Good video thank you.
I like to see powder in all the cases before I move to the next step (I inspect ‘em with a flashlight while they are all in the tray). As far as spilling... it’s pretty darn rare, it’s happened, but I would bet it is 1 in every 5,000 rounds. 🤷♂️
@@JEDiTV I also look them EACH over after charging blocks of 50. A bright flashlight works great. And I hand prime with a LEE Bench Auto prime. I like to get the feel of each seating.
You brought out a good point that 44-40 and for that matter 45 colt, are two cartridges that will break the bank buying factory loads. Reloading is a necessity, plus you have much more flexibility. I own both calibers and prefer loading with blackpowder. With the 44-40, I get better velocities with blackpowder out of my 1873 Winchester than with smokeless. Much of the reloading data published for 44-40 rifle smokeless loads aren't much faster in velocity than pistol loads of the same caliber. Never understood the value of loading a rifle to pistol velocities. I ran accross an old reloading data insert that came with the Lee die set for 44-40, circa 2000. Many of the loads were significanty hotter than what you see today. One in particular pushed a 240gr cast lead bullet at 1300fps. That would certainly be better if you chose to hunt with a 44-40. I don't know why Lee discontinued this. Perhaps some lawyer stuff. There was Cowboy Action Shooting at the Capitol City Rifle & Pistol Club, but it shut down awhile back. Seems like it would be rather fun.
You forgot to mention to avoid a cat full of static electricity rubbing across your leg causing a static arc that can ignite your powder and blow you to kingdom come. Just like what happened to that guy online's uncles cousin's neighbors dog trainer lol. I can testify to the combination Jed mentions in this video (thanks for the tips Jed!). Of the 1000+ rounds I've loaded I've had zero misfires or high primers (knock on wood). I use the first method you showed on your turret with the exception of the primer setting part. Like you, I de-prime and then prime by hand. I like this way because I get 2 chances to inspect the case. I also use my Lee funnel on the expander die (like it shows in the die setup directions in the video) to make pouring powder easier. I was originally going to do the loading blocks like you do until I found out my loading block was too deep for my funnel to fit over the cases (doh!). Question for you on the RCBS hand primer. Do you ever get any upside down primers using it? I have the Lee primer and it somehow flips the primers over and seats them backwards. I try and check before I set the case in it but every now and again one gets past me. It's irksome...
I haven’t had an issue with upside down primers using the RCBS hand primer. -Jed (who somehow missed this comment but is certain we’ve probably talked about it as some point)
Thanks Son of Dad. I use that much because it is a standard, traditional load. I don’t like any fillers or wads. This old method seems simpler to me. - Jed 🤠
Slap a lubbed wonder wad over the powder under the bullet. It will eliminate barrel leading, and greatly reduce fowling, resulting in a much longer shooting session. Great vid!
@@JEDiTV I use lubbed wonder wads only on cast lead bullets. It looked like you were rolling those loads with jacketed bullets, so no need there. I have an original 73 Winchester and the wads helped a lot for me. In a day, i can shoot 500 or more black powder loads because the wad keeps the barrel clean. It also improves accuracy because the base of the lead bullet is not melted and deformed so much. Do you have any 41 colt?
I like this method and am wondering if it can be done with smoke less powder for a mares leg pistol for an edc firearm in a 45 or 45 long colt both in a mares leg and a revolver or automatic?
I am following your step process for my Original Henry 44 40 (the 1860 Original Henry Re-production). I have purchased swiss 2f which is all I could find actually from Buffalo Arms. Got the bullets you recommend here as well. The Lee press and die's came in today. I found some new brass on Gun Broker. Am I on the right track? Yes I bought the case gauge checker as well. Ready to load. Any thing I am missing? Great video....
✔️ Black Powder ✔️ Desperado Bullets ✔️ Lee Press ✔️ 44/40 Brass You are definitely on the right track! 🤠 I’ll address the primers on your other comment….
@@JEDiTV Thank you so very much. You have the best video on reloading the 44 40 I have seen. Much appreciated. Your timely reply is most considerate. Will be watching your channel for as long as you are making them. Thanks again. Darrel
@@JEDiTV Hey my fine sir. I reloaded 150 rounds. I bought some starline 44-40 brass. Actually new 44 WCF after I received it. The loads turned out perfect after I got the crimping right. The Brass has no bevel but it was what I could find new. Rounds came out great although I had to adjust my swiss 2ff powder from 2,2 cc to 1.9 cc for the bullet to press o the crimp grove for crimping precisely. I have ordered some once shot 44 40 WCF brass although the brass I did get was new and worked out fine but I was not able to put 2.2cc of powder. I could not seat the bullet at all as the powder did not move really.. Now I need a tumbler? Based on my research, the tumbler seams to be the best. Do you have a recommendation on a tumbler for cleaning brass? Those pre greased cowboy bullets are great......Many thanks and look forward to hearing any tumbler recommendations
@@JEDiTV thank you for your reply! You’re a very impressive shooter! When I watch your videos I always root for you to win! I hope to one day be as good a shooter as you!😊😁
How hard is it to switch over to black powder I shoot 45 Vaqueros at cowboy action now very good video would like to have more information thanks about other calibers and about black powder
Well, that’s an good question. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend going back and forth between smokeless and Black Powder as sometimes the products you use to clean one, or even the bullet lube you use on one, can adversely effect the other. Smokeless lube left in the barrel of a gun can cause the BP fouling to get hard and sticky (tar-like) and very difficult to clean. It’s not that it can’t be done, and a lot of folks do switch between the two. But, I prefer my Black Powder guns only have a diet of Black Powder and my smokeless guns get smokeless powder. I hope that answer helps.
An easy way to get into frontier cartridge is to use one of the substitutes that do not require a "black powder compatible" lube on the bullet. Examples include APP, Alliant Black MZ or Hodgdon Triple 7.
I’m new here just want to say I’m loving the videos we don’t have cowboy action in the uk so it’s cool seeing it all may have to get my own 44/40 any recommendations?
I’m glad you’re enjoying the show! To answer your question, pretty much any of the firearms made by Uberti or Pietta are worth buyin’. And, if you can find the Ruger Vaquero in 44/40 that’d be an excellent revolver. - Jed
JED iTV thanks man and I don’t think I will find the Ruger vanquero we have some stupid laws about pistols in the uk where the barrel has to be 12 inches and the over all length has to be 17 inches but I will keep my eye out
Hi Jed! Great videos. Probably a question beaten to death within the CAS scene, but would you recommend 44/40 or .38/.357 for someone new to CAS? Or is it entirely preference? Very interested in the BP aspect of the sport. Thanks again!
Since I shot both, I guess I’d be the wrong person to ask 😉 But, seriously, it is mostly preference, yes. Cost is also a factory, especially when considering shooting Black Powder. I speak from experience when I tell you that my dollar goes almost twice as far with .38 as it does 44 WCF. But... I like the authenticity of the 44/40 in the rifle so... 🤷♂️ And, then there is the big ol’ BOOM 💥 that 44/40 produces, I reckon you can’t put a dollar amount on that satisfaction. So, again, I shoot both. .38 in my revolvers and 44 WCF in my rifles. Hope that helps steer ya one way or the other. - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thank you very much for your detailed response! You're a great source of info and fun for the sport and definitely the reason I am getting into it.
I’m making the switch to frontier cartridge next match. Do you have any issues with reliability or accuracy using those bullet? I like the idea of not having to use the extra step of a grease cookie.
These are the only bullets I’ve used for black powder for nearly 20 years (may even be longer than that… time slips away…) I have no cleaning issues and, as my videos show, I rarely miss. And, when I do have a miss it’s quite clearly something caused by me (jerked, pushed, etc…) and not due to any fouling or leading of the barrel by the bullets.
Good video. Is the lube on that bullet OK for black powder? I have been out of CAS for about 20 years, because of the necessity of earning a buck, for all in life that we need bucks!!! That has taken me overseas for 16 years and never home to enjoy my guns nor do much hand loading, etc. I have since had the bucks, but no life to use them in. Wish to re-enter the game/sport in the next couple of years. Still have all of my old equipment, molds, tools. Being less inclined to be "competitive" , I now more enjoy authentic ammunition in my guns, including heel base revolver cartridges.
Welcome back to the sport. And, yes, the Desperado Cowboy Bullet lube is perfectly fine for Black Powder. I’ve been using these bullets for over two decades, exclusively for Black Powder.
Howdy Willy, Excellent question! Yes. I do occasionally. When I have a pile of brass to deprime I spritz a little Ballistol on my fingers and just randomly rub it on the shells in the pile. I neglected to mention that in my step-by-step guide... 😊 Thanks for the reminder!
Yeah, I neglected to show that in this episode. I do rub a little Balistol on my fingers and randomly apply it to the cases. Not everyone of them gets lubed but enough of ‘em in the pile that it stays in the die and works just fine. - Jed 🤠
Great video! Cowboy Bullets are only showing 44 cal, 200 grain sized to .428 on the site. Is this the bullet you are using? The box you have shows 44-40 bullet and I know that the "40" stands for 40 grains of black powder, which you use 32. Just want to make sure I get the right one. Thanks a million for the step by step! Primers are problem finding but I havent looked everywhere yet
Hi Jed I have the Uberti short 1866 in 38spl I'm Thinking of getting one in 44/40 but I'm worried about 44/40 cases not lasting long.How many times can you reload a 44/40 case using your method.
I don’t count the number of times I reload ‘em. I shoot ‘em until they split or I notice a split in the reloading process. I can tell you that I get a LOT of uses out of one piece of brass (years of service).
Great question. I use ‘em until they split during the reloading process. They will either split at the de-capping stage or at the point where you bell the mouth and seat the bullet. It’s obviously a little more frustrating if they split at the bullet seating point because you have to empty the powder and try and recover the primer (a very delicate process). - Jed 🤠
Great video! I've been putting off trying some black powder loads for SASS. I currently don't have a shotgun reloader. I was thinking about going with brass shells also. But i'm sure i'll end up just sticking with AA hulls. I understand 44-40 might be much better that 45 colt with BP. But, do you have any experience with 45 Colt BP loads?
Yes. I’ve loaded, and shot, 45 Colt quite a bit. I prefer the 44/40 for rifles. Eventually, I’ll do plan on doing episode on my 45 Colt BP load. - Jed 🤠
Fantastic video Jed! Really informative and has definitely given me a bit more guidance on how to load this cartridge with black powder as I normally load smokeless. I had a couple of questions if I may. How do you keep your brass cases so shiny? Mine normally discolour after one shot of black powder. Also, I've had major fouling issues when using black powder in my 44-40 cartridges before which badly affect accuracy after a few rounds. I've been told this was due to using a bullet with an alox based lube, which apparently fouls the barrel up badly with BP. Have you experienced this before? Many thanks in advance and again for the video, Sam.
Howdy Sam, I tumble the brass with a shot of Wrights Brass Polish (not Brasso). The Bullet I use is from Desperado Cowboy Bullets (you’ll find a link to their site in the description of just about all of my videos). Their lube is compatible with Black Powder. Also, keep the barrel wet with a little spritz of water or ballistol-mix down the barrel after every stage or two (depending on weather and/or temperature). Hope that info helps! - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thanks Jed. That is really helpful! Always great to hear tips like this from pros like yourself! 😁 You have another loyal subscriber and watcher here, keep up the great work!!!
I am not familiar with Pyrodex “P”, is it a 3F equivalent? If so then I’d follow 3F loading guides (in which case you could use 3F instead of the 2F I prefer to use). -Jed 🤠
I’ve used APP in the past and it cleans up pretty darn easy. Personally, I prefer real Black Powder (for the authenticity as well as the flame and boom!). - Jed 🤠
The Desperado Cowboy Bullets are all I’ve used for my Black Powder Cowboy Action Shooting loads for well over a decade. 45, 44/40, 38, 32/20, 32... all of ‘em loaded up with their bullets. Give ‘em a call as for a sample pack and tell ‘em I sent you. ~Jed 🤠
I wouldn’t say “harder”. The mouth of the case is a little thinner on the 44/40 so you have to be mindful of that, you can crush/collapse it pretty easy. But other than that it’s pretty straight forward. - Jed 🤠
Does that cast bullet manufacturer use a petroleum based lube, or is it beeswax based? It’s “common knowledge” that petroleum based lubes tar up the bore when combines with BP. But, maybe that’s incorrect with modern lubes?
Good question. I reached out to them and while the formula is a trade secret they did say that it contains “both” beeswax and petroleum. I can tell you that I have no problem with fouling and I’ve shot l0’s of thousands of rounds of their bullets. But, you do have to keep your barrel moist, especially in hot / dry weather. I hope that info helps and I’d also recommend watching my “Black Powder Field Cleaning” episode. - Jed 🤠
Very interesting. Maybe it's worth a field check for the bullets I buy up here in Canada to see how bad the taring really is. If I could skip the re-lubing step in my reloading it would save me a lot of time. Thanks Jed!
Hey, jed. i was wondering what kinda lube is in those bullets that you are using? those bullets seem not to have that much lube in them. how is the fouling in the bore?
Like I said, I have no issues with clean-up after using these bullets. Doesn’t matter if I use my 24” rifle or my 18” I get no stuck on fouling. I do spritz my barrels after a stage or two in hot weather but I’d do that even if I was using “Big Lube” bullets. It’s important to keep that Black Powder Fouling wet. Give Desperado Bullets a call and buy a small sample bag of 100 to try at a match. Let me know what ya think after trying them out. - Jed 🤠
Matt, Desperado Cowboy bullets claim their lube is compatible with both Smokeless and Black Powder. I have been using them for about 15+ years with no issues. On really hot, dry days, I do spritz my rifle barrel to keep the fouling soft. But, under normal circumstances I can run fives stages with no fouling issues and clean up is a breeze. ~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thats good to know. I would like to shoot BP but I have a hard enough time hitting the target when I can see it. The smoke from BP would make it doubly hard. Although I have often wondered if BP shooters just hit any target in the vacinity once the smoke builds up because no one could tell the difference :-)
How often do you trim 44-40 brass? I’m going to try BP in a few matches this spring with a pair of vaqueros in 44-40 and an 1873 rifle also in 44-40. And, do you get all your rifle brass back at each stage? I ask as I’ve been losing about 15-18 38 cases out of my rifle each match. Losing that many 44-40 per match would be painful. Regards
I’ve never trimmed my brass. Yes, you get (most of) your brass back at the end of each stage. Sometimes one or two pieces (out of 50-60) will get lost when the pickers just can’t find it.
I’m not currently shootin’ Black Powder in anything 45 Colt (my Schofields don’t like the BP 🤷♂️) So, it may be a while before the 45 Colt episode. - Jed 🤠
Howdy Uncle Fester! It has been a while! Hope all is well with you. Your question would make an excellent “Jed I. Answers” episode. Here’s a spoiler: it is much more expensive to shoot with BP. Excellent question! - Jed 🤠
Appreciate the reply. Was told once that black powder was better to start with because when using guns rated for mordern powder it was less likely you would lose fingers or blow your face off. Also heard black powder is the devil to clean when the fun is done.
While there is a little truth in both of those statements. With BP you are less likely to over charge the case and blow-up a gun or worse (I’d say “impossible” but... ya know, there is always that One Guy 😃). And, yes, BP can be more difficult to clean... sort-of. I mean, if you clean your guns after shooting them then there really isn’t a difference. But, I know a lot of smokeless shooters who only clean their firearms “once a year” or some such thing! You can’t get away with that with BP. It has to be cleaned quickly or it does ugly things to your precious firearms!
I don't have an exact figure yet but I estimate .38 is costing about $.19 - $.25 a round. Smokeless is more like $.14 or less a round. Clean up is easy but messy. I've invested in latex gloves to remedy the "working in the coal mine" look I had when done. I clean pretty regularly anyway (almost every time I shoot) so that wasn't a big deal. Really, the added cost and more regular clean up is a fair price to pay for the low thump, flame and smoke you get with BP in my humble opinion.
I don’t load any 44 mag, so I can’t answer specifics on loading data. I will address what I can... Copper Plated bullets are not allowed in the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting and I don’t have any experience with loading them with Black Powder. I don’t see why you couldn’t but, again, this is not my area of expertise. I use any brand of Black Powder for what I do. Really, whatever is the least expensive. Hope that helps. ~Jed 🤠
I don’t load for any of those calibers. Maybe someone else will jump on here and answer... I will say that the proper method would be to slug the barrel of the firearm you are wanting to load and make sure you are using a properly sized bullet. ~Jed 🤠
I just recently started using an ultra-sonic cleaner prior to tumbling in media... But, I don’t do anything after depriming. I’m workin’ on a little better “step-by-step” guide for the next caliber. - Jed 🤠
The lube is a proprietary combination of Beeswax and Petroleum made by the folks at Desperado Cowboy Bullets. The lube is okay to use for both Smokeless and Black Powder ammo. Hope that info helps. ~Jed 🤠
Howdy Richard, my guess would be the .45. It's a heavier bullet (typically 250 grains vs. 200 grains on the 44WCF) with an equal or slightly larger powder charge. But, that is just an educated assumption. I'm not a ballistics expert... ~Jed 🤠
when is the .45 Colt coming or is it coming you can't really have cowboy action shooting without the iconic .45 Colt round used in the 1873 Colt peacemaker the only gun people instantly think of when you say old west pistol simply because it was used by both outlaws and cops
Well… I’ve been cooking up a .45 Colt load. And I think I’m on to one I like for revolvers. So, I’ll likely share it “soon”. That’s about as much as I can say. These types of videos don’t do well on TH-cam as they end up getting suppressed by their infamous algorithm. Takes a little if my motivation away. I’ll get something out eventually though. -Jed 🤠
So the past week been looking for black powder boy it’s been struggle. I did find some 1.5 F and that was at 24.50 per pound and also got some 2 F and that was 31.10 per pound at Buffalo Arms Co. I got 5 pounds each. I’m hoping I can shift the 1.5F into 2F. Would I you use the same amount in a 45 Long colt.?
Yeah, it can be difficult to find BP. As for loading in the 45 Colt... it’s been awhile since I’ve loaded that caliber. My data shows that I was using a 1.9 cc scoop with a 180 grain bullet. Again, that’s some old data from a load I was using in a reproduction ‘92. So, ya might wanna do a little bit of research or just load a few and try ‘em to make sure that load works for you. ~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV thanks for the info. I really appreciate you sharing your load data. I do have one more question. Do you change the lube on your new lead cast bullets over to a black powder lube. I believe most commercial made lead cast bullets are using smokeless powder lube. Maybe I’m over thinking it.
Nope. Desperado Cowboy Bullets (link in the video description) use a lube that is cross-compatible with both smokeless powders and Black Powder. ~Jed 🤠
well today my over price black powder came in just might try reload a couple of rounds. Nope not yet, I need to pick up some Ballistol first. I really want to say thank you!! for your inspiriting videos.
Hi, Sorry to bother you with this never ending question. A friend asked me if he could shoot smokeless cartridges in an old 1873 Winchester , manufactured in 1886 and not proofed for SP. I answered no, while other people were fully affirmative saying yes, and they were doing it all the time with little charges as long as pressures were equivalent. For me this is dangerous for it’s not only the pressure that must be taken into account but also the curve of pressure. For instance, black powder is an explosive while smokeless powders is not. It only burns, but at different speeds. And I have always been told not to do it… I am finally lost. Thx in advance.
The questions aren't a bother to me at all. But, I am not qualified to answer this one... Having no first hand knowledge of the firearm it would be irresponsible of me to suggest it was safe to fire with smokeless ammo, or even black powder for that matter. Have him find a good gunsmith to look it over. -Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thx for your wise answer. I’ve always been told not to shoot smokeless ammo in old weapons which have originally been created for BP. So, for me , it makes sense and I’ll continue that way, despite what some other people say. I won’t take any chance for my health, people around me, or for my old guns. Having said that, if some guys act the other way, I suppose they know what they are doing, and why not, as long as they don’t endanger other people around. For me, I don’t have the expertise to either say it is safe or not. So, I stick to safety precautions and only shoot smokeless powder in weapons proofed for that. I might be to cautious, but that’s the way I am. In addition, I don’t mind at all cleaning my BP guns 😃. That’s just my opinion.
This is my opinion and we know how those go…. And just like the back door we all have one. I love your videos , you are very perfect in many ways. I think you could really take a step towards the greatness you strive by leaving the 70/80’s behind and get a hair cut. I’m just saying cause I think your cool sir
I have literally heard a similar comment all of my life. And I find it just as ridiculous now as I always have. THIS is who I am. Why would I change and compromise ME, the man I see in the mirror, to please or appease you or anyone else? Just stop and really think about what you are saying… it is a silly request to make of someone, anyone. I can not fathom what difference it could possible make to you or anyone else how I choose to wear my hair. And what “greatness” could I possible be hoping to achieve? I am surrounded by people that love me for exactly who I am. I have the freedom to pursue multiple different hobbies… that, sir, IS greatness (in my not-always-so-humble opinion). I’ll end this with two final quotes: George Eliot: “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover”. Thumpers Mom: “If you ain't got nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all”
Jedi I humbly apologize for disrupting your daily good flow with a long hair suggestion…….MY BAD, I REALLY HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A OPINION, OR TO SUGGEST SUCH. When I was young I grew my hair long……it wasn’t for long cause every time I saw a picture I would think , man that looks gimmicky. There was no gimmick, but it screamed it. Like I said ,after watching your videos and you shooting, black powder too. Stud cowboy shooter. Multi talented feller………the long hair is, hey I’m cute too. Your a fast gunslinger, awesome reloaded, the likes of Kurt russel in tombstone, Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp. All the old greats in cowboy history Gregory peck, James Stewart, john Wayne,gene autry, ….then there was Jedi 👀
I’m making the switch to frontier cartridge next match. Do you have any issues with reliability or accuracy using those bullet? I like the idea of not having to use the extra step of a grease cookie.
@@Buffalogus - Did you accidentally post this question twice or did I answer your question on someone else’s comment 😆 I’ll do a short answer here (maybe it’s already too late for that)… no, I have no problem with using these bullets. Honestly, I’d switch to somethin’ else if I did.
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dont you lube the cases before resizing ?
@@happymark1805 - yes. I’ve addressed this in a few other comments (I’m pinning yours so other folks can find it). I use a little Ballistol on my fingers prior to depriming the cases. With all the cases poured out on a towel I just rub the Ballistol through them, I don’t spray it on them, just randomly lubing cases in the pile. I don’t know why I skipped over that in the video as it is pretty essential when working with these bottle necked cases. Thanks for watchin’ and asking for clarification.
@@JEDiTV thanks for the explanation, got ballistol here so I dont have to go and buy special grease for that, great, I alwas had 357magnum, 9mm and /30m1 all kinds that did not needed grease, now im trying 44-40
No problem @@happymark1805. A little spritz of Ballistol on thumb and first finger and rub it on the outside, concentrating on the top. You don’t have to lube every single case but it is important that the first few into the die have sufficient lube to get the die coated. Remember, a little goes a long way.
I recently inherited a Winchester model 1873 manufactured in 1897. My grandfather in law got it from his father who bought it new. It still shoots, but I haven't been able to find ammo under $2 a round so I thought I'd look into loading my own. From my research I've learned using smokeless in an original manufactured before 1900 is just asking for a blown chamber, so black powder it is. Thank you for creating such an informative step by step guide. I can't wait to get some rounds loaded and start shooting my historical work of art. Now I just need to find reloading dies for my Mauser Model 1897 Argentino 7.65mm
Glad I could help. Thanks for the comment.
Hi from Germany, I got a Winchester Mod 92 in 44 WCF from 1915 which is very rare in Germany. Thanks for that great Video.
Howdy! Glad you enjoyed this episode. - Jed 🤠
Wow I'm so glad I found you! You simplified the process so well and I've been using Lee Reloading equipment ever since I bought a Lee Anniversary Reloading kit in 1995 to produce ammo for a Rossi M65 .44-40. I keep forgeting my Lee Dipper set works for black as well as smokeless powder and you've sold me on the Lee Turret Press. It's time I graduated from the Lee Single-Stage O-Frame though I do prize the great ammo it's turned out for me over the years.
Thanks for the comment! Glad you found the channel and are getting some useful information.
Good stuff. I use a rubber band around the bowl of black powder, this makes for quick, consistent scraping off of the excess.
The RCBS Priming tools are good, I have two, one set up for small and one set up for larger primers.. I used Lee for 20+ years and as long as you put a dot of grease on them, they worked fine.
I was cashed up one day and sick of not having the right shell holder for the priming tool (always on Sunday when the gun shop was closed!).
I still have the RCBS Rockchucker Press I bought in 1971. It has the case kicker which makes FLS'ing brass real quick. I then prime on the RCBS tool and finish off the load on the Lee Classic Cast Turret press.
Thanks.
I love that rubber band idea! And, I have two of the RCBS hand primers set-up the same way (“great minds”).
~Jed 🤠
Thanks! Looking forward to the 45 Colt episode.
Might be a while but I’ll get to it. - Jed 🤠
First of your videos I watch, very clear and informative, though I’ve been loading for years, it’s nice to see other people’s way of doin things. I always pick up
something
Glad to help. Thanks for the comment (not sure how I missed it for 3 months!) ~Jed 🤠
I like that you show the bloopers. Good show 👍
Glad you like the bloopers - they always seem to be very popular.
First video watched and subscribed as soon as it was done. Nice job sir!
Really enjoyed this video. After buying commercial .45 Colt loads I really started researching reloading, and while I'm not sure I'm going black powder (limited places here in southern NH to shoot black powder), this video really helped from a procedure and equipment standpoint. Thank you!
Thanks for the comment Ghost Wolf! I couldn’t afford to shoot as much as I do if I didn’t load my own. So, I’m happy this information is out there now helpin’ others learn. - Jed 🤠
Cant you shoot BP at almost any outdoor range?
You sir, saved my shooting life. I bought an old 1873 replica yesterday and soon learned 44-40 is out of production. Thanks for the info on how to get shooting. Do you know of anyone making already loaded cartridges???
Thanks Andrew, glad you found this video.
I have seen 44/40 on the shelf (pre-pandemic times) at Sportsman’s. I wanna say it was Black Hills that was making it… Midway also carries a couple of different manufacturers.
-Jed 🤠
Winchester makes 2 different kinds of 4440. Super X for hunting which is a semi jacketed soft point, and Winchester makes a lead cast bullet for cowboy action. Ten X makes 4440, Buffalo arms makes 4440, magtech makes it, ultramax makes it, Remington makes it. They were all available before the covid china virus out break. Cant say about how available it is today.
I just won one today! Now, I have to gather brass and bullets. Jed I, Thank you, Ken
Would there be any issues using the 0.429 bullets in the Uberti 44-40 WCF?
This video gave me so many flashbacks of sitting in the reloading room for hours scooping powder into the brass! 😂
Lucky you! I’ll save some for your next visit 🤠👍
And don’t forget, we have also used black powder that we made ourselves!
I should have mentioned that in this episode! Next time...
JED iTV, thanks for another Great Video! I have been reloading Black Powder (Mainly Goex) for my Trapdoor & Shiloh Rifles in 45-70 for a few years now; Extremely Fun shooting black powder. I always enjoy your videos-Thanks Again!!
Thank you for the comment and compliment. - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTVI have the same Lee loader scoops you have. I grabbed the 2.2cc, a scoop full of Goex, and on an electronic scale all I could get was 22 grains of BP! How do you get 32 grains in a 2.2cc scoop?
@@samiam619 I took my information off from LEE’s slider chart (it came with my dippers) and that says the 2.2cc scoop is 32.4 grains.
@@JEDiTVWell it’s been 3 days… have you put a scoop of 2.2cc on a scale yet?
@@samiam619 no… Was I supposed to?
Very well done! I am getting ready to do some 45-90's in the near future.
That’s one I don’t load for, yet. 😉
i use the cylinder from one of my handgun as a case gauge cheker, that work well too. I use it dismounted of the gun of course... 6 cartridges at once, and after, in the box...👍 I know you use 38 in your's handgun, case gauge chercker is needed...
I’m familiar with that method as well. 👍 Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for taking the time to show us how it's done.
You’re welcome. Thanks for the comment! - Jed 🤠
I now have a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 in 44-40 to reload for but I will be using smokeless powder.
Can’t help ya with the smokeless loads 😉 I tried it a few times and I just prefer BP.
Excitedly looking forward to seeing a video on 38 special!
It’s coming. It’s just one of those projects that gets pushed to the back-burner because I know that I’m going to have to deal with the de-monetization from TH-cam (they don’t typically run ads on this kind of content). I’ll get it out eventually though and hope the end result is worth the wait for my viewers! - Jed 🤠
Great video! This is very helpful 👍🏻
Glad to hear that. Thanks for leaving me a comment to let me know.
Personally I don't check the brass or add primers until after expanding and belling the case mouth. This is because I have found that most of my split cases occur at this point in the process.
That is a valid point. While I do find an occasional case will split when I expand the mouth (in which case I dump the powder and carefully remove the primer to reuse in another case). But, I do find that split cases will also rear their ugly head at the de-prime stage.
~Jed 🤠
Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Just got my new Reloading Room set-up so I’ll be making more (eventually 🤠) - Jed
Good video Jed, a lot of new comers will get a lot of help with this one. Waiting for the 45-70 video.
Thanks Major!
It actually looks kind of fun. Think I might give it a try. Might make my own black powder as well. After a good bit of reasearch of course. Lol
Thanks JedI!
Kook and I made our own Black Powder once. Filmed it and posted it here on TH-cam. They removed it and gave my channel a "strike" for posting it. 🤷♂️
~Jed 🤠
Great video! I have a Ruger Vaquero chambered in 44-40 and have been looking at getting into cowboy action shooting. This video is extremely helpful, because I would rather reload instead of buying brand new boxes of ammo at 45-50 dollars in price.
Thank you! Knowing this episode is helping folks makes me very happy!! I hope my step by step is easy for you to follow. - Jed 🤠
.44-40 is on the verge of extinction. Very hard to find even before the 21st century ammo crisis!
Ruger 4440s are notorious for being inaccurate. Ruger made them using 44 mag barrels, and the cylinders are under sized. Spend the money and have the cylinder reamed and enlarged to .429. They can be made to have better accuracy.
Awesome video! I’m new to .44-40 reloading and you helped me tremendously. I’ve got a reproduction Spencer carbine on the way that I’m going to need to feed. Thanks a bunch.
You’re welcome! I appreciate you letting me know that this helped.
Thank you for your most informative video on reloading 44/40 cartridges. I like the way you load your black powder it is a lot quicker and looks to be a lot easier. I can’t wait to get started. All I need is a few more things from Lee Precision then the cartridges, primers, powder and bullets then I can get started! Thank you again brother! Good luck with your next Cowboy Action shooting!!😁
You’re welcome!
Thank you,
You are welcome!
Well done, thank you.
You’re welcome.
-Jed
Brill thanks Jed look for to .38 spl.
Thank you! - Jed 🤠
Nice job !
Thank you.
Nicely done, Jed. Highly entertaining and informative, as usual. Your clear and concise description of this loading method would make it very simple for anyone to load these cartridges with ease. I follow a similar routine. Only, I flare the case mouths first, then add the powder. I did try it your way, though. Works just as well. Two thumbs up!
Thanks. For me I flare the case mouth after because that is when the cartridge is moving from the loading tray to the press. Once it gets to the press, it’s flare, seat bullet, crimp, repeat. Jed 🤠
Cool video. Have you ever thought about Melting down lead and making your own bullets?
I’ve thought about it and I have friends that do it. But, I have a pretty good deal going with the folks at Desperado Cowboy Bullets so I’ll let them take care of the labor 😉.
~Jed 🤠
Great and informative Video ! Thankyou Jedi.
You're welcome James. Glad you liked it.
~Jed 🤠
Hi Jed. I use about the same routine but have a Dillon 550B with the dies set up for black powder shells. Same steps just when the shell plate is full one pull is one round. The powder is dipped and poured through the Lee die because having a pound or so of Black gun Powder right in my face is not comfortable to me. Good video thank you.
One of these days I’m gonna make the upgrade to a Dillon, everyone tells me it’ll be faster... 🤷♂️ - Jed 🤠
Thank you for posting this! Great Video. looking forward to giving black powder a whirl!
You’re welcome! Have fun.
~Jed 🤠
Very informative, I'm eager to learn an reload for myself. Thanks for the video.🇺🇸
You’re welcome, glad you found it and got some use out of it. I appreciate the comment.
-Jed 🤠
Helpful video. Please also consider presenting a video on reloading blackpower shotgun shells. Thanks.
Thank you and... ask and you shall receive:
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Jedi, why do you charge them BEFORE you expand? There's a chance that you can spill the powder handling the charged cases.
I like to see powder in all the cases before I move to the next step (I inspect ‘em with a flashlight while they are all in the tray). As far as spilling... it’s pretty darn rare, it’s happened, but I would bet it is 1 in every 5,000 rounds. 🤷♂️
@@JEDiTV I also look them EACH over after charging blocks of 50.
A bright flashlight works great.
And I hand prime with a LEE Bench Auto prime. I like to get the feel of each seating.
that was a cool video . I look forward to see more videos on this topic. Keep up the great work.
Thank you! I will. - Jed 🤠
You brought out a good point that 44-40 and for that matter 45 colt, are two cartridges that will break the bank buying factory loads. Reloading is a necessity, plus you have much more flexibility. I own both calibers and prefer loading with blackpowder. With the 44-40, I get better velocities with blackpowder out of my 1873 Winchester than with smokeless. Much of the reloading data published for 44-40 rifle smokeless loads aren't much faster in velocity than pistol loads of the same caliber. Never understood the value of loading a rifle to pistol velocities. I ran accross an old reloading data insert that came with the Lee die set for 44-40, circa 2000. Many of the loads were significanty hotter than what you see today. One in particular pushed a 240gr cast lead bullet at 1300fps. That would certainly be better if you chose to hunt with a 44-40. I don't know why Lee discontinued this. Perhaps some lawyer stuff.
There was Cowboy Action Shooting at the Capitol City Rifle & Pistol Club, but it shut down awhile back. Seems like it would be rather fun.
May the force be with you bro..
May the Force be with You too.
You forgot to mention to avoid a cat full of static electricity rubbing across your leg causing a static arc that can ignite your powder and blow you to kingdom come. Just like what happened to that guy online's uncles cousin's neighbors dog trainer lol.
I can testify to the combination Jed mentions in this video (thanks for the tips Jed!). Of the 1000+ rounds I've loaded I've had zero misfires or high primers (knock on wood). I use the first method you showed on your turret with the exception of the primer setting part. Like you, I de-prime and then prime by hand. I like this way because I get 2 chances to inspect the case. I also use my Lee funnel on the expander die (like it shows in the die setup directions in the video) to make pouring powder easier. I was originally going to do the loading blocks like you do until I found out my loading block was too deep for my funnel to fit over the cases (doh!). Question for you on the RCBS hand primer. Do you ever get any upside down primers using it? I have the Lee primer and it somehow flips the primers over and seats them backwards. I try and check before I set the case in it but every now and again one gets past me. It's irksome...
I haven’t had an issue with upside down primers using the RCBS hand primer.
-Jed (who somehow missed this comment but is certain we’ve probably talked about it as some point)
Great video. That seems like a lot of powder. Do you use that much because it’s faster and easier than using less powder and a wad?
Thanks Son of Dad. I use that much because it is a standard, traditional load. I don’t like any fillers or wads. This old method seems simpler to me. - Jed 🤠
Thank You Jed!
You’re welcome.
Slap a lubbed wonder wad over the powder under the bullet. It will eliminate barrel leading, and greatly reduce fowling, resulting in a much longer shooting session. Great vid!
Thanks for the comment. Personally I don’t care for a lubed wad on top of powder but I know it works just fine for a lot of other folks.
-Jed
@@JEDiTV I use lubbed wonder wads only on cast lead bullets. It looked like you were rolling those loads with jacketed bullets, so no need there. I have an original 73 Winchester and the wads helped a lot for me. In a day, i can shoot 500 or more black powder loads because the wad keeps the barrel clean. It also improves accuracy because the base of the lead bullet is not melted and deformed so much. Do you have any 41 colt?
I like this method and am wondering if it can be done with smoke less powder for a mares leg pistol for an edc firearm in a 45 or 45 long colt both in a mares leg and a revolver or automatic?
I am following your step process for my Original Henry 44 40 (the 1860 Original Henry Re-production). I have purchased swiss 2f which is all I could find actually from Buffalo Arms. Got the bullets you recommend here as well. The Lee press and die's came in today. I found some new brass on Gun Broker. Am I on the right track? Yes I bought the case gauge checker as well. Ready to load. Any thing I am missing? Great video....
✔️ Black Powder
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✔️ Lee Press
✔️ 44/40 Brass
You are definitely on the right track! 🤠 I’ll address the primers on your other comment….
@@JEDiTV Thank you so very much. You have the best video on reloading the 44 40 I have seen. Much appreciated. Your timely reply is most considerate. Will be watching your channel for as long as you are making them. Thanks again.
Darrel
You’re welcome.
@@JEDiTV Hey my fine sir. I reloaded 150 rounds. I bought some starline 44-40 brass. Actually new 44 WCF after I received it. The loads turned out perfect after I got the crimping right. The Brass has no bevel but it was what I could find new. Rounds came out great although I had to adjust my swiss 2ff powder from 2,2 cc to 1.9 cc for the bullet to press o the crimp grove for crimping precisely.
I have ordered some once shot 44 40 WCF brass although the brass I did get was new and worked out fine but I was not able to put 2.2cc of powder. I could not seat the bullet at all as the powder did not move really.. Now I need a tumbler? Based on my research, the tumbler seams to be the best. Do you have a recommendation on a tumbler for cleaning brass? Those pre greased cowboy bullets are great......Many thanks and look forward to hearing any tumbler recommendations
Honestly, I’ve found all the tumblers the same regardless of whether I bought ‘em at Sportsman’s Warehouse or Harbor Freight or Amazon.
Great video, lots of information. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
@@JEDiTV thank you for your reply! You’re a very impressive shooter! When I watch your videos I always root for you to win! I hope to one day be as good a shooter as you!😊😁
Thank you @@ako_thelynxtherian2345! You made my day 🤠
@@JEDiTV I’m glad I made your day that makes me happy 😊
How hard is it to switch over to black powder I shoot 45 Vaqueros at cowboy action now very good video would like to have more information thanks about other calibers and about black powder
Well, that’s an good question. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend going back and forth between smokeless and Black Powder as sometimes the products you use to clean one, or even the bullet lube you use on one, can adversely effect the other. Smokeless lube left in the barrel of a gun can cause the BP fouling to get hard and sticky (tar-like) and very difficult to clean. It’s not that it can’t be done, and a lot of folks do switch between the two. But, I prefer my Black Powder guns only have a diet of Black Powder and my smokeless guns get smokeless powder. I hope that answer helps.
An easy way to get into frontier cartridge is to use one of the substitutes that do not require a "black powder compatible" lube on the bullet. Examples include APP, Alliant Black MZ or Hodgdon Triple 7.
Cool video Jed! Very informative!
Thank you!!
Great video!!
Thank you Jimmy! I appreciate your comment.
~Jed 🤠
I’m new here just want to say I’m loving the videos we don’t have cowboy action in the uk so it’s cool seeing it all may have to get my own 44/40 any recommendations?
I’m glad you’re enjoying the show! To answer your question, pretty much any of the firearms made by Uberti or Pietta are worth buyin’. And, if you can find the Ruger Vaquero in 44/40 that’d be an excellent revolver. - Jed
JED iTV thanks man and I don’t think I will find the Ruger vanquero we have some stupid laws about pistols in the uk where the barrel has to be 12 inches and the over all length has to be 17 inches but I will keep my eye out
Hi Jed! Great videos. Probably a question beaten to death within the CAS scene, but would you recommend 44/40 or .38/.357 for someone new to CAS? Or is it entirely preference? Very interested in the BP aspect of the sport. Thanks again!
Since I shot both, I guess I’d be the wrong person to ask 😉 But, seriously, it is mostly preference, yes. Cost is also a factory, especially when considering shooting Black Powder. I speak from experience when I tell you that my dollar goes almost twice as far with .38 as it does 44 WCF. But... I like the authenticity of the 44/40 in the rifle so... 🤷♂️ And, then there is the big ol’ BOOM 💥 that 44/40 produces, I reckon you can’t put a dollar amount on that satisfaction.
So, again, I shoot both. .38 in my revolvers and 44 WCF in my rifles. Hope that helps steer ya one way or the other. - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thank you very much for your detailed response! You're a great source of info and fun for the sport and definitely the reason I am getting into it.
hi Jed, Irish Iron here, love the video but would realy like to see how you do 45 colt. see ya down the trail.
Will do… as soon as I find some 45 Colts that to add to my collection.
I’m making the switch to frontier cartridge next match. Do you have any issues with reliability or accuracy using those bullet? I like the idea of not having to use the extra step of a grease cookie.
These are the only bullets I’ve used for black powder for nearly 20 years (may even be longer than that… time slips away…) I have no cleaning issues and, as my videos show, I rarely miss. And, when I do have a miss it’s quite clearly something caused by me (jerked, pushed, etc…) and not due to any fouling or leading of the barrel by the bullets.
@@JEDiTV I must have accidentally reposted this twice. But thanks for the info, and all your how to videos have been a huge help.
@Buffalogus not a problem (unless I gave you a different answer each time 😉).
Good video. Is the lube on that bullet OK for black powder? I have been out of CAS for about 20 years, because of the necessity of earning a buck, for all in life that we need bucks!!! That has taken me overseas for 16 years and never home to enjoy my guns nor do much hand loading, etc. I have since had the bucks, but no life to use them in. Wish to re-enter the game/sport in the next couple of years. Still have all of my old equipment, molds, tools. Being less inclined to be "competitive" , I now more enjoy authentic ammunition in my guns, including heel base revolver cartridges.
Welcome back to the sport. And, yes, the Desperado Cowboy Bullet lube is perfectly fine for Black Powder. I’ve been using these bullets for over two decades, exclusively for Black Powder.
Hey Jed, are you lubing cases at all? Willy B. Infamous
Howdy Willy,
Excellent question! Yes. I do occasionally. When I have a pile of brass to deprime I spritz a little Ballistol on my fingers and just randomly rub it on the shells in the pile. I neglected to mention that in my step-by-step guide... 😊 Thanks for the reminder!
Great Video, Do you lube the cases before resize them?
Yeah, I neglected to show that in this episode. I do rub a little Balistol on my fingers and randomly apply it to the cases. Not everyone of them gets lubed but enough of ‘em in the pile that it stays in the die and works just fine. - Jed 🤠
Great video! Cowboy Bullets are only showing 44 cal, 200 grain sized to .428 on the site. Is this the bullet you are using? The box you have shows 44-40 bullet and I know that the "40" stands for 40 grains of black powder, which you use 32. Just want to make sure I get the right one. Thanks a million for the step by step! Primers are problem finding but I havent looked everywhere yet
Howdy, yes I use the 44, 200 grain, .428.
You’re welcome for the step-by-step! And, primers are starting to SLOWLY creep back in stock!
Great Stuff....very helpful!°!°!
I sure am glad it was helpful for you! Thanks for leaving a comment to let me know.
Hi Jed I have the Uberti short 1866 in 38spl I'm Thinking of getting one in 44/40 but I'm worried about 44/40 cases not lasting long.How many times can you reload a 44/40 case using your method.
I don’t count the number of times I reload ‘em. I shoot ‘em until they split or I notice a split in the reloading process. I can tell you that I get a LOT of uses out of one piece of brass (years of service).
Great video!! how many times to you reuse your brass?
Great question. I use ‘em until they split during the reloading process. They will either split at the de-capping stage or at the point where you bell the mouth and seat the bullet. It’s obviously a little more frustrating if they split at the bullet seating point because you have to empty the powder and try and recover the primer (a very delicate process). - Jed 🤠
Great video! I've been putting off trying some black powder loads for SASS. I currently don't have a shotgun reloader. I was thinking about going with brass shells also. But i'm sure i'll end up just sticking with AA hulls. I understand 44-40 might be much better that 45 colt with BP. But, do you have any experience with 45 Colt BP loads?
Yes. I’ve loaded, and shot, 45 Colt quite a bit. I prefer the 44/40 for rifles. Eventually, I’ll do plan on doing episode on my 45 Colt BP load. - Jed 🤠
👍👍 3f powder?
2F (32.4 grains FFG). I say it very quickly in the video so now I’ve added it to the description as well. Thanks for the question! - Jed 🤠
Fantastic video Jed! Really informative and has definitely given me a bit more guidance on how to load this cartridge with black powder as I normally load smokeless. I had a couple of questions if I may. How do you keep your brass cases so shiny? Mine normally discolour after one shot of black powder. Also, I've had major fouling issues when using black powder in my 44-40 cartridges before which badly affect accuracy after a few rounds. I've been told this was due to using a bullet with an alox based lube, which apparently fouls the barrel up badly with BP. Have you experienced this before? Many thanks in advance and again for the video, Sam.
Howdy Sam,
I tumble the brass with a shot of Wrights Brass Polish (not Brasso). The Bullet I use is from Desperado Cowboy Bullets (you’ll find a link to their site in the description of just about all of my videos). Their lube is compatible with Black Powder. Also, keep the barrel wet with a little spritz of water or ballistol-mix down the barrel after every stage or two (depending on weather and/or temperature).
Hope that info helps! - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thanks Jed. That is really helpful! Always great to hear tips like this from pros like yourself! 😁 You have another loyal subscriber and watcher here, keep up the great work!!!
Do you have any recommended loads for pyrodex P? I know it’s not real black powder, but it’s the only stuff I can get in my area.
I am not familiar with Pyrodex “P”, is it a 3F equivalent? If so then I’d follow 3F loading guides (in which case you could use 3F instead of the 2F I prefer to use).
-Jed 🤠
Lol I load just about the same way with just about the same equipment. Except I use APP powder
I’ve used APP in the past and it cleans up pretty darn easy. Personally, I prefer real Black Powder (for the authenticity as well as the flame and boom!). - Jed 🤠
Forgot something. Looked up the primer and bought CCI small pistol primers. Ok there?
CCI Primers are fine. BUT, you’re gonna need LARGE Pistol Primers for 44/40.
@@JEDiTV they happen to be large pistol after all.
Awesome video! Just getting into loading .44-40 BP for SASS. How are you liking the Desperado cowboy bullets for BP?
The Desperado Cowboy Bullets are all I’ve used for my Black Powder Cowboy Action Shooting loads for well over a decade. 45, 44/40, 38, 32/20, 32... all of ‘em loaded up with their bullets. Give ‘em a call as for a sample pack and tell ‘em I sent you.
~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV will do! Thank you sir!
Is reloading the 44-40 a lot harder than reloading the 45 colt??
I wouldn’t say “harder”. The mouth of the case is a little thinner on the 44/40 so you have to be mindful of that, you can crush/collapse it pretty easy. But other than that it’s pretty straight forward. - Jed 🤠
The cases are very fragile and will crush if they aren't handled carefully. Standard cases like the 45 Colt are not susceptible to handling damage.
Does that cast bullet manufacturer use a petroleum based lube, or is it beeswax based? It’s “common knowledge” that petroleum based lubes tar up the bore when combines with BP. But, maybe that’s incorrect with modern lubes?
Good question. I reached out to them and while the formula is a trade secret they did say that it contains “both” beeswax and petroleum. I can tell you that I have no problem with fouling and I’ve shot l0’s of thousands of rounds of their bullets. But, you do have to keep your barrel moist, especially in hot / dry weather.
I hope that info helps and I’d also recommend watching my “Black Powder Field Cleaning” episode. - Jed 🤠
Very interesting. Maybe it's worth a field check for the bullets I buy up here in Canada to see how bad the taring really is. If I could skip the re-lubing step in my reloading it would save me a lot of time. Thanks Jed!
You’re welcome. Let me know how it goes!
Hey, jed. i was wondering what kinda lube is in those bullets that you are using? those bullets seem not to have that much lube in them. how is the fouling in the bore?
Like I said, I have no issues with clean-up after using these bullets. Doesn’t matter if I use my 24” rifle or my 18” I get no stuck on fouling. I do spritz my barrels after a stage or two in hot weather but I’d do that even if I was using “Big Lube” bullets. It’s important to keep that Black Powder Fouling wet. Give Desperado Bullets a call and buy a small sample bag of 100 to try at a match. Let me know what ya think after trying them out. - Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV They look like smokeless lube?
Matt, Desperado Cowboy bullets claim their lube is compatible with both Smokeless and Black Powder. I have been using them for about 15+ years with no issues. On really hot, dry days, I do spritz my rifle barrel to keep the fouling soft. But, under normal circumstances I can run fives stages with no fouling issues and clean up is a breeze. ~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thats good to know. I would like to shoot BP but I have a hard enough time hitting the target when I can see it. The smoke from BP would make it doubly hard. Although I have often wondered if BP shooters just hit any target in the vacinity once the smoke builds up because no one could tell the difference :-)
@@matthalsey387 - I do threaten to do that occasionally 😉 ~Jed
How often do you trim 44-40 brass? I’m going to try BP in a few matches this spring with a pair of vaqueros in 44-40 and an 1873 rifle also in 44-40. And, do you get all your rifle brass back at each stage? I ask as I’ve been losing about 15-18 38 cases out of my rifle each match. Losing that many 44-40 per match would be painful.
Regards
I’ve never trimmed my brass.
Yes, you get (most of) your brass back at the end of each stage. Sometimes one or two pieces (out of 50-60) will get lost when the pickers just can’t find it.
45 colt next!
I’m not currently shootin’ Black Powder in anything 45 Colt (my Schofields don’t like the BP 🤷♂️) So, it may be a while before the 45 Colt episode. - Jed 🤠
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No wad tween bullet and powder?
Nope. Never found a need for it.
~Jed 🤠
Can you use pyrodex if you can't find black powder
Yes.
Been a while. Always wanted to reload my own stuff. Is reloading black powder cheaper that modern powder or is it about the same.
Howdy Uncle Fester! It has been a while! Hope all is well with you. Your question would make an excellent “Jed I. Answers” episode. Here’s a spoiler: it is much more expensive to shoot with BP.
Excellent question! - Jed 🤠
Appreciate the reply. Was told once that black powder was better to start with because when using guns rated for mordern powder it was less likely you would lose fingers or blow your face off. Also heard black powder is the devil to clean when the fun is done.
While there is a little truth in both of those statements. With BP you are less likely to over charge the case and blow-up a gun or worse (I’d say “impossible” but... ya know, there is always that One Guy 😃). And, yes, BP can be more difficult to clean... sort-of. I mean, if you clean your guns after shooting them then there really isn’t a difference. But, I know a lot of smokeless shooters who only clean their firearms “once a year” or some such thing! You can’t get away with that with BP. It has to be cleaned quickly or it does ugly things to your precious firearms!
Appreciate the feed back.
I don't have an exact figure yet but I estimate .38 is costing about $.19 - $.25 a round. Smokeless is more like $.14 or less a round.
Clean up is easy but messy. I've invested in latex gloves to remedy the "working in the coal mine" look I had when done. I clean pretty regularly anyway (almost every time I shoot) so that wasn't a big deal.
Really, the added cost and more regular clean up is a fair price to pay for the low thump, flame and smoke you get with BP in my humble opinion.
Can you reload 44 mag with 240 cooper plated bullets this way? How much black powder? Is brand of powder inportant or we can use any brand?
I don’t load any 44 mag, so I can’t answer specifics on loading data. I will address what I can... Copper Plated bullets are not allowed in the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting and I don’t have any experience with loading them with Black Powder. I don’t see why you couldn’t but, again, this is not my area of expertise. I use any brand of Black Powder for what I do. Really, whatever is the least expensive.
Hope that helps. ~Jed 🤠
Can .429 bullets be used as in .44 Russian, Special and Magnum?
I don’t load for any of those calibers. Maybe someone else will jump on here and answer...
I will say that the proper method would be to slug the barrel of the firearm you are wanting to load and make sure you are using a properly sized bullet.
~Jed 🤠
Hey Jed I, after I do the deprime on the Lee universal die , I wet tumble.
Do you feel this is unnecessary with Blk powder ?
I just recently started using an ultra-sonic cleaner prior to tumbling in media... But, I don’t do anything after depriming. I’m workin’ on a little better “step-by-step” guide for the next caliber. - Jed 🤠
Do you lube your cases? Thanks
Yes. I use a little Ballistol on my fingers and rub it around in the pile of cases prior to depriming/resizing.
Is that smokeless lube on the bullet groves ?
The lube is a proprietary combination of Beeswax and Petroleum made by the folks at Desperado Cowboy Bullets. The lube is okay to use for both Smokeless and Black Powder ammo. Hope that info helps. ~Jed 🤠
I am new to shooting and would like to ask, which is a more powerful cartridge, 44-40 WCF, or the 45 Long Colt?
Howdy Richard, my guess would be the .45. It's a heavier bullet (typically 250 grains vs. 200 grains on the 44WCF) with an equal or slightly larger powder charge. But, that is just an educated assumption. I'm not a ballistics expert...
~Jed 🤠
when is the .45 Colt coming or is it coming you can't really have cowboy action shooting without the iconic .45 Colt round used in the 1873 Colt peacemaker the only gun people instantly think of when you say old west pistol simply because it was used by both outlaws and cops
Well… I’ve been cooking up a .45 Colt load. And I think I’m on to one I like for revolvers. So, I’ll likely share it “soon”. That’s about as much as I can say.
These types of videos don’t do well on TH-cam as they end up getting suppressed by their infamous algorithm. Takes a little if my motivation away.
I’ll get something out eventually though.
-Jed 🤠
So the past week been looking for black powder boy it’s been struggle. I did find some 1.5 F and that was at 24.50 per pound and also got some 2 F and that was 31.10 per pound at Buffalo Arms Co. I got 5 pounds each. I’m hoping I can shift the 1.5F into 2F.
Would I you use the same amount in a 45 Long colt.?
Yeah, it can be difficult to find BP. As for loading in the 45 Colt... it’s been awhile since I’ve loaded that caliber. My data shows that I was using a 1.9 cc scoop with a 180 grain bullet. Again, that’s some old data from a load I was using in a reproduction ‘92. So, ya might wanna do a little bit of research or just load a few and try ‘em to make sure that load works for you.
~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV thanks for the info. I really appreciate you sharing your load data. I do have one more question. Do you change the lube on your new lead cast bullets over to a black powder lube. I believe most commercial made lead cast bullets are using smokeless powder lube. Maybe I’m over thinking it.
Nope. Desperado Cowboy Bullets (link in the video description) use a lube that is cross-compatible with both smokeless powders and Black Powder.
~Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV thank you.
well today my over price black powder came in just might try reload a couple of rounds. Nope not yet, I need to pick up some Ballistol first.
I really want to say thank you!! for your inspiriting videos.
Hi,
Sorry to bother you with this never ending question.
A friend asked me if he could shoot smokeless cartridges in an old 1873 Winchester , manufactured in 1886 and not proofed for SP.
I answered no, while other people were fully affirmative saying yes, and they were doing it all the time with little charges as long as pressures were equivalent.
For me this is dangerous for it’s not only the pressure that must be taken into account but also the curve of pressure. For instance, black powder is an explosive while smokeless powders is not. It only burns, but at different speeds.
And I have always been told not to do it…
I am finally lost.
Thx in advance.
The questions aren't a bother to me at all. But, I am not qualified to answer this one... Having no first hand knowledge of the firearm it would be irresponsible of me to suggest it was safe to fire with smokeless ammo, or even black powder for that matter. Have him find a good gunsmith to look it over.
-Jed 🤠
@@JEDiTV Thx for your wise answer.
I’ve always been told not to shoot smokeless ammo in old weapons which have originally been created for BP. So, for me , it makes sense and I’ll continue that way, despite what some other people say. I won’t take any chance for my health, people around me, or for my old guns. Having said that, if some guys act the other way, I suppose they know what they are doing, and why not, as long as they don’t endanger other people around. For me, I don’t have the expertise to either say it is safe or not. So, I stick to safety precautions and only shoot smokeless powder in weapons proofed for that. I might be to cautious, but that’s the way I am. In addition, I don’t mind at all cleaning my BP guns 😃. That’s just my opinion.
This is my opinion and we know how those go…. And just like the back door we all have one. I love your videos , you are very perfect in many ways. I think you could really take a step towards the greatness you strive by leaving the 70/80’s behind and get a hair cut. I’m just saying cause I think your cool sir
I have literally heard a similar comment all of my life. And I find it just as ridiculous now as I always have. THIS is who I am. Why would I change and compromise ME, the man I see in the mirror, to please or appease you or anyone else? Just stop and really think about what you are saying… it is a silly request to make of someone, anyone. I can not fathom what difference it could possible make to you or anyone else how I choose to wear my hair.
And what “greatness” could I possible be hoping to achieve? I am surrounded by people that love me for exactly who I am. I have the freedom to pursue multiple different hobbies… that, sir, IS greatness (in my not-always-so-humble opinion).
I’ll end this with two final quotes:
George Eliot: “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover”.
Thumpers Mom: “If you ain't got nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all”
@@JEDiTV great response and you deserve a subscription for it.
Thanks @@Wblair8772
I was under the impression that 44-40 meant a 44 caliber bullet and 40 grains of black powder? No? Yes? Thanks.
I’ve heard that too. I can’t get over 33 grains of 2F in mine with that 200 grain bullet. There just ain’t room for anymore. 🤷♂️
-Jed 🤠
Am I the only person that cleans my primer pockets after primer removal?
I don’t. I just don’t see the need for it. The primers seat just fine in the brass that I’ve been shooting for years. 🤷♂️ - Jed 🤠
500 cases x .073 Oz = 37ish Oz of powder
that's like 2.5ish lbs of powder.
It is a lot of powder.
Hi dont forget the shotgun reloading.
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Call me a warthog but I have always felt that CAS would be much more interesting if folks used full charges of black.
At the very least, more challenging (but, perhaps not as popular?)! ~Jed 🤠
Black powder has a second skill; provides you smoke cover
That’s right! 🤠
Love your hair style man.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Jedi I humbly apologize for disrupting your daily good flow with a long hair suggestion…….MY BAD, I REALLY HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A OPINION, OR TO SUGGEST SUCH. When I was young I grew my hair long……it wasn’t for long cause every time I saw a picture I would think , man that looks gimmicky. There was no gimmick, but it screamed it. Like I said ,after watching your videos and you shooting, black powder too. Stud cowboy shooter. Multi talented feller………the long hair is, hey I’m cute too.
Your a fast gunslinger, awesome reloaded, the likes of Kurt russel in tombstone, Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp. All the old greats in cowboy history Gregory peck, James Stewart, john Wayne,gene autry, ….then there was Jedi 👀
Thanks, I appreciate the apology.
And, it shouldn’t have taken me a year to acknowledge it. - Jed
Well done, thank you.
You’re welcome.
I’m making the switch to frontier cartridge next match. Do you have any issues with reliability or accuracy using those bullet? I like the idea of not having to use the extra step of a grease cookie.
@@Buffalogus - Did you accidentally post this question twice or did I answer your question on someone else’s comment 😆 I’ll do a short answer here (maybe it’s already too late for that)… no, I have no problem with using these bullets. Honestly, I’d switch to somethin’ else if I did.