Looking at the way all those “extra” components are added to improve dynamics, it is also a way to differentiate within the product line. Start with basics that are good enough and then add/exchange parts to climb the model range towards sportiness and/or comfort
The "shear plates / aero covers" are interesting, as it is not normal to use one component for both purposes. It was good to show where they were fastened and the large fasteners implying their structural function; it would have been even better to have held one up to the car to show it.
I like how well made it is. Even the cross bracing is warm dip galvanised, not the usual thin black paint. The brake dust plates also. Driveshafts painted. Everything aluminium and not pressed steel like a Kia.
Notice Sandy isn't in these videos anymore because he tells it like it is and with legacy and German auto it hurts theirs business because it is too truthful.
@@markplott4820Thats not even remotley true…. X5 and 5eries are outselling Tesla Model S and X Even in the U.S. And then u still need to ad X6 X7 XM IX 8 and 7series… but fanboy is f…
This model is not available in Canada yet, but the BMW Canada website allows configuration and reservation. The base price of an i5 M60 xDrive Sedan here is CAD$98,735. It had better be well-built...
@@samin90 I am offered only reservation on the BMW Canada website, but that may be responding to province - many EVs are only available in some provinces (generally Quebec, BC, and Ontario).
@@brianb-p6586 I'm in Ontario, lots of inventory here. Your local dealership should be able to request a car from another dealership in another part of the country
@samin90 thanks... although my point was just that real pricing was not available here, and at anything like the list price this vehicle is so expensive that it should be expected to be well-built.
😁Sandy, Good day from Lismore, NSW. 👍The BMW video was interesting.👍 We are back in Sydney after I circumnavigate Australia next May. Number of 130 sleeps to go. On the first Monday of each month, from 3.0pm to 4.30 pm. Where we ever are in Australia 🥰Cheers, Ian Cleland
Thanks for the in depth review of the suspension. I would be interested in a short episode on the rear steering with any relevant comparison to the Cybertruck. Thanks again.
It's not "indicative" of vehicles that you have seen in the past; it is "typical" of them. "Indicative" would mean that a feature indicates something... such as a suspension design which indicates a compromise toward ride quality (rather than other characteristics such as low cost).
Thanks for the great review....Advanced designs and expensive manufacturing for a vehicle that extremely unlikely to mechanically/electrically last more than 120k miles / 200.000km. typical BMW waste of resources, to be junked early due to excessive repair costs..
8 years, 100k warranty and 70 % of this cars are leased for the first 3 years. If i lease something i used it "the right way". I don't care who is the next owner.
@@giacomu1That warranty is only for the EV components and is required by US law for all EVs/PHEVs. Everything else is the same standard warranty as most cars.
Boy, it would be soooo nice if you could spend 90 seconds introduce the vehicle. Like, price, market niche, motive power, history, and why you're doing this analysis, and what you're going to cover. If you expect to cater to engineers only who aren't interested why you're doing this, then I understand and I'll unsubscribe. Hey, I'm sure you're all really nice guys, but this is just winging it.
@@Timo-qb1gf It is all about finding the right balance between preformance/weight/cost, BMW seem to be set on making expensive heavy an complex luxury cruizers, not light fun sports sedans
@@Timo-qb1gf "Yea and tesla is world's away on driving performance, comfort etc as well." According to people actually driving their cars, they are not. With that said, BMW and Tesla have slightly different focus. Tesla focuses more on efficiency in production and the cost of their cars.
Just a small suggestion boys & girls! "I" used to be the most common word in the English language...it has been surpassed by "super"...Please consider the multitude of alternative words! Be even more imaginative engineers & educators boys & girls! 😁
Way to many parts. It increases cost and doesn’t bring any value (to the customer or or BMW). As for all the bracing - any proof that it’s actually more rigid than a one piece giga casting? From all I’ve seen the giga casting is super rigid especially given lack of fasteners and being one part…
MUNRO - one important NOTE. BMW i5 is unable to protect passengers , falling off a 250 foot cliff @ Devils Slide. unlike a TESLA. BTW - TESLA just released their Q1 2024 Autopilot SAFETY data.
@@BigGroupHug "Don't buy it, remain primitive" Primitive? One of the arts of engineering is to remove unwanted complexity. So your claim is quite weird.
These engineering experts pointed out that it is less costly in terms of capital investment in huge, high-tonnage casting machines. These BMWs don't sell in the high volumes that Tesla 3 and Y do, and S and X still don't use gigacastings; probably for the same reason.
@@jamesengland7461 true, cost of capital is an issue, especially if it isn't even sure BMW is going to be around for the the ROI time, in that way hundreds of components and lots of work elaborating and assembling them will make sure you stay expensive and low volume ...
BMW is loosing Marketshare to TESLA. Tesla has unassailable LEAD over BMW & others. the BMW i5 M60 is a very cheaply made car , built on a Horse & Buggy platform.
It was entertaining to hear how many excuses were made for BMW on their inferior engineering here. Overly costly, overly heavy, overly complex in terms of aero, and just not as well executed as Tesla does it. German marketing has really pulled the wool over people's eyes. They are no longer the best engineers...
@@docsnider8926 if your vehicle doesnt cut you on its sharp edges and have massive panel gaps its not better executed. Dont get me wrong Telsa makes a good car but the fan boys are annoying as hell.
Looking at the way all those “extra” components are added to improve dynamics, it is also a way to differentiate within the product line. Start with basics that are good enough and then add/exchange parts to climb the model range towards sportiness and/or comfort
the BEST part, is NO part needed, in FIRST place. - ELON.
The "shear plates / aero covers" are interesting, as it is not normal to use one component for both purposes. It was good to show where they were fastened and the large fasteners implying their structural function; it would have been even better to have held one up to the car to show it.
great walkthrough! always a solid presentation! thanks ya'll
Our pleasure!
@@MunroLive HONDA=BEST ENGINEERS ON THE PLANET 5 SECOND 1/4 MILE 4 CYLINDER TOP THAT ELON PONZI
Munro taking a break from his day job of pushing pro-Tesla propaganda
@@billybobbob3003 "@MunroLive HONDA=BEST ENGINEERS ON THE PLANET 5 SECOND 1/4 MILE 4 CYLINDER TOP THAT ELON PONZI"
Honda who? 😅
@@barry7920 But you are not taking a break from pushing anti-Munroe propaganda?
That (at 18:18) is the first time I've heard anyone refer to flanged holes as having "racetrack edges".
I like how well made it is. Even the cross bracing is warm dip galvanised, not the usual thin black paint. The brake dust plates also. Driveshafts painted. Everything aluminium and not pressed steel like a Kia.
Awesome quality engineering
Notice Sandy isn't in these videos anymore because he tells it like it is and with legacy and German auto it hurts theirs business because it is too truthful.
Awesome suspension . Parts replacement OMG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"SLA" wasn't expanded after it was used at 4:12. Of course it means "Short and Long Arm" suspension design.
0:43 BMW’s 5 and 7 series share the same platform. They have for a long time.
very CRAPPY outdated Horse & Buggy platform.
@@markplott4820
You clearly haven’t driven one. I even doubt that you’ve watched the video tbh.
@@Conservator. - Meanwhile TESLA performance models are OUTSELLING BMW, Porsche, Audi, & Mercedes.
@@markplott4820Thats not even remotley true…. X5 and 5eries are outselling Tesla Model S and X Even in the U.S. And then u still need to ad X6 X7 XM IX 8 and 7series… but fanboy is f…
@@catch_me_if_you_can1147 - BMW is Really FCUKED.
This model is not available in Canada yet, but the BMW Canada website allows configuration and reservation. The base price of an i5 M60 xDrive Sedan here is CAD$98,735. It had better be well-built...
It's been available in Canada since the end of last October, I have one
@@samin90 I am offered only reservation on the BMW Canada website, but that may be responding to province - many EVs are only available in some provinces (generally Quebec, BC, and Ontario).
@@brianb-p6586 I'm in Ontario, lots of inventory here. Your local dealership should be able to request a car from another dealership in another part of the country
@samin90 thanks... although my point was just that real pricing was not available here, and at anything like the list price this vehicle is so expensive that it should be expected to be well-built.
Very good. Thanks for sharing
man dig those kinematics
u did not make your research before this good video that could be so much more. what a piece of engineering
At 8:54 that's 84 kilowatt *hours* of battery energy capacity, not 84 kilowatts (which would be power).
Aluminum castings can get rid of a lot of bolts! :-)
good job!
Thanks!
Great work. Lots of extrusions and low pressure / gravity castings.
😁Sandy, Good day from Lismore, NSW. 👍The BMW video was interesting.👍 We are back in Sydney after I circumnavigate Australia next May.
Number of 130 sleeps to go.
On the first Monday of each month, from 3.0pm to 4.30 pm. Where we ever are in Australia
🥰Cheers, Ian Cleland
Is that a partially disassembled Decepticon in the background?
Bunch of Tesla's lol but yeah might as well be alien technology compared to legacy auto companies
Didn't Sandy just give a rant defending Tesla asking "who else is giving you rear steer?" Pretty sure this BMW was released in 2024 before the CT.
Mercedes provides rear steer since years! Their EVs have 10.6° rear steer angle!
So Sandy's getting the 'rear steer' from Elon? Sounds about right.
Mercedes literally has trucks with 3 steering axles for ages nothing new here!
Also Mercedes offers features like central inflation system and much more.
2023 2024 Genesis G90 has rear steering. I made a detailed video on the vehicle.
The sides of the front subframe are not hemispherical. They're mirror-image sides.
Thanks for the in depth review of the suspension. I would be interested in a short episode on the rear steering with any relevant comparison to the Cybertruck. Thanks again.
Lol!!!! Rear wheel steering is literally the same hardware and some bigger vehicles like Mercedes trucks have up to 3 steering axles.
@@alanmay7929 Well rear wheel steering is more novel than wishbone control arms. I would just like to see how they implemented it.
@@ksinkel-p1h real wheel steering was invented by Honda decades ago with the ACURA lol!!!
I really enjoyed driving this vehicle. Check out the night video I made. Epic
We also enjoyed driving this vehicle. Post a link to yours and we'll check it out.
@@MunroLive Here is the video where I do a lighting analysis: th-cam.com/video/2OJ6BHlULD0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Nh0lZrmdya66ouaP
Here is the full feature overview of the vehicle: th-cam.com/video/T4U5NORy_Fs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HiUT5q0N55gM6EZ_
NOW try the 2024 Model 3 Performance.
@@markplott4820 I wish I had access to one.
Theft siren holes in the back... an option
TUSK!
If you can afford it, it's a better driving experience than a Tesla
Doubt it
If you can afford it you have many dollars, but no sense.
Honda Civic is as well
I guarantee the current model 3P would destroy this thing in every metric
Sorry not sorry
@@nathansuss Your having a laugh.
The aluminum looks nice now, but one salt season and it's going to be a pitted mess.
Huh? Aluminum has been underside cars for decades.
@@mayflowerconsulting5540 Yes, and it gets pitted and white after salt exposure. Both of our points are correct.
What happens if you drive through a deep puddle in a battery car?
With all this fancy engineering, where do they stand on the Nurburgring track compared to Tesla and Porsche?
You mean the Nurburgring?
What is Porche?
@@docsnider8926 the one that has a "Turbo" and electric muffler noises. :)
👍
You really trust that car lift, don't you?
Do you pee your pants every time you get in an elevator?
Of course they do. It's very well engineered to securely hold far more than this car.
I guess it’s not an earthquake prone area.
@@afelsoit’s not
It's not "indicative" of vehicles that you have seen in the past; it is "typical" of them. "Indicative" would mean that a feature indicates something... such as a suspension design which indicates a compromise toward ride quality (rather than other characteristics such as low cost).
Incorrect. You can use both terms in this context.
indicative:
"If one thing is indicative of another, it suggests what the other thing is likely to be."
@yourcrazybear yes, that's the definition... it doesn't mean "typical", which is how it was used in the video.
BMW moto is to over-2:26 engineer a car so that it can over-price and overcharge on all service schedules 😂😂😂😂😂
How many years down the road does it become a money pit? Tech comes with a terrible cost when things go wrong.
Thanks for the great review....Advanced designs and expensive manufacturing for a vehicle that extremely unlikely to mechanically/electrically last more than 120k miles / 200.000km. typical BMW waste of resources, to be junked early due to excessive repair costs..
8 years, 100k warranty and 70 % of this cars are leased for the first 3 years. If i lease something i used it "the right way". I don't care who is the next owner.
Very true and could be said of all German cars?
@@giacomu1That warranty is only for the EV components and is required by US law for all EVs/PHEVs. Everything else is the same standard warranty as most cars.
I think you will be proven wrong. I think these cars will last minimum 20 years 450000 km.
Boy, it would be soooo nice if you could spend 90 seconds introduce the vehicle. Like, price, market niche, motive power, history, and why you're doing this analysis, and what you're going to cover.
If you expect to cater to engineers only who aren't interested why you're doing this, then I understand and I'll unsubscribe. Hey, I'm sure you're all really nice guys, but this is just winging it.
Price and Stats are given in our overall review of the vehicle, which comes out next week. This was our hoist review.
@@MunroLive so "cart before the horse"?
So many welds, brackets, fasteners and castings 😮💨
A world away from Teslas packaging/engineering efficiency
Yea and tesla is world's away on driving performance, comfort etc as well.
@@Timo-qb1gf It is all about finding the right balance between preformance/weight/cost, BMW seem to be set on making expensive heavy an complex luxury cruizers, not light fun sports sedans
Tesla fanboy? Look at the hoist of the Cybertruck, is even more complex.
@@anton_grahn I don't think they said they did. Not since the 80s anyway.
@@Timo-qb1gf "Yea and tesla is world's away on driving performance, comfort etc as well."
According to people actually driving their cars, they are not. With that said, BMW and Tesla have slightly different focus. Tesla focuses more on efficiency in production and the cost of their cars.
First!
Just a small suggestion boys & girls! "I" used to be the most common word in the English language...it has been surpassed by "super"...Please consider the multitude of alternative words! Be even more imaginative engineers & educators boys & girls! 😁
MUNRO - SAFETY is the ULTIMATE luxury.
which BMW lacks.
Way to many parts. It increases cost and doesn’t bring any value (to the customer or or BMW). As for all the bracing - any proof that it’s actually more rigid than a one piece giga casting? From all I’ve seen the giga casting is super rigid especially given lack of fasteners and being one part…
100% spot on, spend big $$$ to get nothing in return.
You just stated it doesn’t bring any value. So why are you asking for proof?
I think the gigacasting is pretty heavy compared to this structure.
Not every cast is a gigacast, word buzzing because you have seen some Munro Videos?
Germans love over-engineering. Unfortunately that usually means fairly poor reliability. More to go wrong.
MUNRO - one important NOTE.
BMW i5 is unable to protect passengers , falling off a 250 foot cliff @ Devils Slide.
unlike a TESLA.
BTW - TESLA just released their Q1 2024 Autopilot SAFETY data.
"SALA" yea everybody knows what that means! Speak to us the viewers, not fellow insiders.
SLA-- short long arm-- a common suspension geometry on cars.
You guys used to make these videos to show us the dramatic differences...
Now it seems like you're only showing how everything is the same. lol..
That's a bunch of complex junk, so typical German
Don't buy it, remain primitive
Exactly, that’s why the whole world regards US made cars as complete junk.
@@BigGroupHug lol.. You think that's an insult.
@@BigGroupHug "Don't buy it, remain primitive"
Primitive? One of the arts of engineering is to remove unwanted complexity. So your claim is quite weird.
@@BigGroupHug had a A4 and never again! Primative 🤣, who printed you engineering degree on TP? Michigan Tech printed mine.
Definitely not an M car 😂. Great video very detailed, although I will never buy an electric car they are garbage
Lack of gigacasting... costly...
These engineering experts pointed out that it is less costly in terms of capital investment in huge, high-tonnage casting machines. These BMWs don't sell in the high volumes that Tesla 3 and Y do, and S and X still don't use gigacastings; probably for the same reason.
@@jamesengland7461 true, cost of capital is an issue, especially if it isn't even sure BMW is going to be around for the the ROI time, in that way hundreds of components and lots of work elaborating and assembling them will make sure you stay expensive and low volume ...
Too many parts and fasteners.
Still is a bmw, who ever own one and wanted to keep it for over 100k miles will know is a money pit
Everything is plastic with no aftermarket available to replace it.
unfortunately, BMW is still living in the PAST in 2024.
too heavily RELIANT on outdated TECH.
BMW is loosing Marketshare to TESLA.
Tesla has unassailable LEAD over BMW & others.
the BMW i5 M60 is a very cheaply made car , built on a Horse & Buggy platform.
Spaghetti and noodles design to compete with Tesla !
It was entertaining to hear how many excuses were made for BMW on their inferior engineering here. Overly costly, overly heavy, overly complex in terms of aero, and just not as well executed as Tesla does it. German marketing has really pulled the wool over people's eyes. They are no longer the best engineers...
No as well executed? Look Tesla Videos, this is 100% better executed.
Incorrect. German hardware engineering is still the best. There are cheaper solutions but no better ones.
@@afelso Definitely not. Tesla surpassed them (and is now lapping them) long ago.
Damn, 108 years of engineering, 2.8m cars sold last year, and now its all over with this one comment. RIP BMW...
@@docsnider8926 if your vehicle doesnt cut you on its sharp edges and have massive panel gaps its not better executed. Dont get me wrong Telsa makes a good car but the fan boys are annoying as hell.
Interesting,,Il leave this for beemer fans and get Tesla instead 😅