Is still helping me to this day via videos like this and me changing leading to changing my interpretations and views on characters/myself reflected back at me. Crazy how much this show means to me.
For ppl who said Bojack should have died, missed the point. Death is easy. The easier option. Living is hard and hard work. Bojack dying would have taught the lesson that death is an easy escape from your problems and thats a lie.
It also just genuinely would have been way too sad. I feel like there's this prevailing unspoken narrative in society that if you're a "bad person" who doesn't manage to magically fix yourself that you inherently deserve to die. The show ending with Bojack still alive at the very least shows that he hasn't completely given up and may, someday, find some sort of peace.
not only that, but it would definitely lead so many people (including myself) to committing s*icide by conveying the wrong message that “this is an easy way out of your problems”. that is exactly what happened with “13 reasons why”, which is a perfect cinematographic example on how one should NOT bring attention to mental health. I’m really glad that I stumbled upon Bojack because it has helped me immensely with my mental illness.
@@MisterLackLustreIt doesn't give an escape it's just the end if everything. Which means the issues will still go on even with Bojack gone. People would still know what a bad person he was with no chance for him to even try to redeem himself, as well as he would hurt everybody around him who knew him. It would just create more problems and soread.
You can get addicted to your own depression. It's so messed and self sabotagey but if you feel like there's no other way it's hard to see yourself any other way
It becomes an incredible toxic, self-validating cycle that I think Bojack fell into. 1. I'm a piece of shit and life sucks. Anyone who knew me would leave after seeing the real me. 2. I pushed people away by being a toxic asshole because I've come to expect that of myself. 3. People left me for being a toxic asshole. I was right to think I was an unlovable piece of shit. 4. Go back to step 1 and repeat. And this just spirals on and on. And either you wake up from it and work on self healing, or you keep using the pattern as a crutch.
Not to mention, if you have spent your entire life struggling with mental illness, getting better is incredibly scary. As Bojack himself has acknowledged when going to rehab when he asks Diane what if he gets sober and is still a bad person? Holding onto his flaws means he has an excuse for his behavior in his mind.
There were times when I was watching and would think to myself, "That's so terrible who would do that!" *I would* it was really a wake up call to actually do better, not just fantasize about it.
feel that. every time i feel like doubling down on something stupid i think of the one guy, you know the one. he won't go away. we're all sick of his name but we can't stop saying it, bout to be in charge again, gonna burn down the whole world and bring back that thing he probably says didn't happen. well, that makes me a better person, not acting like that
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 you make me feel like kelsey janning telling justin money num num num that for his last 3 movies is not why roman pulanski should be in actual prison
I fee this. Having tried to help (and people help me at some points) only to trauma bond at best rather than push through it all. I don't know. I do know I'd never give up on my family but me and my siblings are lucky that we have a tight relationship of support (them missing a lot of my downward spiral back in the day). Bojack always has me dive into stream of conscious rambly posts.
Its crazy how much Hollyhock went through after meeting Bojack and people STILL think she should have a relationship with him. Like she owes him or her own traumas and boundaries aren't important because Bojack is the MC. Sometimes your life gets better by cutting the toxic people out of it and just because Bojack was appearing to be better doesn't mean he was. The interview showed us how he didn't really move on or get better.
@@Ashbrash1998 see I don't know that he didn't get better but relapsed again whxhbhe is prone to do. I think about the jogging Monkey and I genuinely want to believe Bojack was becoming better when he retired and tried to right his wrongs (that he could at least) but yes the monumental stack of crap hes done and his bloody ego just pushed him to relapse as soon as he got validation. I think for me it shows you can change but you have to keep working on yourself and not accept an easy get out of trouble card like Bojack got in the first interview because his nature cannot allow that. I hope I'm not rambling, it's just I don't want people who are bettering themselves to just give up cos they don't think they can change.
Ngl, I watched Bojack Horseman around the same time in my life when my mom died. Seeing him go through losing his mom, too, was very helpful. My mom had dementia at the end, too! My mom wasn't the best person either. I struggle some days to do good. Be just a bit better than yesterday. Etc. So the ending, where he doesn't die, is super important to me! I've always been depressed and I still think I'll off myself one day... But that doesn't have to be my ending. Life keeps going.
My condolences to you. I can relate to having a complicated relationship to a mom who wasn't always great. And you're right about Bojack ending living. It is important because it helped you and I bet it helped others as well
I've been a Diane defender since Season 2 and I've been fighting for my fucking life lmao but over the years I've seen more and more people side with Diane.
@@mac081793on first watch, my wife HATED Diane, but further along after contemplation she came around. Diane is always TRYING. She messes up and does crappy things and makes bad decisions as much as anyone else, but she’s always questioning morality and what it means. She’s always got being a better person in mind. She’s not just a great character, but someone whose effort should be resoundingly applauded.
i recently have been diagnosed with the disorder everyone thinks bojack has (borderline personality disorder) and i need yall to know THINGS CAN GET BETTER. i am almost 1 year self harm free and havent thought about hurting myself in months. i am fully recovered from an eating disorder and i am on the full road to recovery
YES I always related to Bojack even before getting the diagnosis, and to see more people w BPD discovering themselves in his behaviour makes me happy bc it can massively help them seek help. 🙏🏻
One thing I really appreciate in the final season is Diane's journey from wanting to help Bojack more effectively after so many years while also having to make the decision to set some boundaries. It really made me think about a relationship with one of my friends who has always struggled with their mental health. I had been working on myself and realised that while I was busy helping them, it was causing me to look after myself less, so like Diane I decided to get them some help because neither of us can risk a situation like Diane receiving the phone call in View from Halfway down. I've not rested on my laurels about it, I still check in but I'm happy to say that both of us seeking therapy has worked fantastic for us - even if we're not "fixed", we're both doing better and there isn't a constant worry that something could go horribly wrong like there was before. I'm so glad that this show opened up my eyes that I could be doing a lot more for both of us.
I find this hilarious that part of the female fantasies always comes around to leaving a "toxic" man behind 😂 It's not profound it's just giving up on someone with bells on.
I had a friend just like that but for a while she refused to get help bc it "wasn't in her cards". Two attempts and a massive breakdown on my front porch which caused my mom to step in led to a fallout where we didn't speak for three years. We ended up reconnecting and she's in a much better place after finally getting the help she really needed
@russelltietjen4407 me too. It's not the same but it doesn't need to be. We set boundaries and talk all the time again. Im glad you and your friend were able to get help. It's not easy but it's better in the end
have a friend like this to, he was suicidal and we both hated ourselves, we were toxic and we had to separate, fast forward to college and we reconnect, both in better places. i can set boundaries and people please less, he learned to slow down and consider people's feelings. bojack helped me realize my own toxic traits and i learned to improve myself.
Thanks, dude. You know, watching essay after essay on this show has made me realize that I'm still worthy of changing, even though it's difficult for me. I thank you and other creators for that and I'm happy to find out that it's not over, and I still got this.
I remember crying really hard when i watched the "stupid piece of shit" episode because it really was a perfect depiction of what went on inside of my head a lot of the time
love this video and absolutely gets the point of why i hate when people say bojack cant change. cuz like he can. and he did!! at the core the whole “you can’t change” idea is an excuse. everyone can, basically what ur video said! i ranted about this in my notes app once lmao
One of Bojack's biggest flaws is his inability to admit he has power over himself and his choices. It's easier for him to label himself as an out of control villain in a death spiral, because it makes it easier for him to justify his shitty choices to himself. But that's not true. As Todd points out, he may have a fucked up childhood, or issues with drugs and alcohol, but ultimately it is Bojack who makes choices for himself in the present. For Bojack, it's hard to acknowledge his own agency and his own role in his maladaptive coping, because that means admitting to his faults and shortcomings as a person.
@ yes exactly!!! and then you see viewers outside of the show take his mindset as the truth and its like no?? ? the fact he could’ve tried to put the effort in earlier should be a huge sting that he should definitely feel and that goes for not just him but everyone struggling with this type of stuff. u always gotta look at the past right in its face to see how u can do better from it instead of ignoring it bc its gonna come back 😔 and it very much so did for him haha
25:39 some insight as someone in recovery for bpd & ocd, both of these disorders & similar ones have a very large element of shame & fear. out of fear that nothing will get better, we can take on ALL the blame for everything wrong and decide that we are terrible people. it's a coping mechanism in a way, believing that the one thing we can control (ourselves) is the thing that's wrong and that we have can fix it & make everything right again. but you can't grow if you fail to properly acknowledge the circumstances you're in, which was the key for bojack's growth as well.
Before I even start watching the video, I just wanna say that Bojack Horseman is a show that I can always rewatch even the dark and ugly moments. And that’s because of the way it helped me realize how I was abusing alcohol and how I was allowing my depression to overtake my entire life. I can’t wait to get through this video and see how you guys feel about it as well.
I think you should check out Crazy Ex Girlfriend. It has a lot in common with Bojack; positive depictions of mental illness, satire, brutal genre deconstruction of a "feel good" genre hidden by a colorful veneer, characters that seem like typical archetypes but are gradually revealed to have hidden depths. I think you should check it out.
Seconding this! I watched CXG and Bojack during roughly the same time period and it really struck me how much they have in common. For me they're practically companion pieces.
To all the people who relate to Bojack or Diane, look up the symptoms of BPD. Lots of therapists who are certified for depression/anxiety have no clue what to do with personality disorders
Honestly I feel like this is a huge problem in the psychiatry field, partially because so many of these disorders have similar or overlapping symptoms. My sister was diagnosed at 5 with bpd and bipolar but she's 29 now and was just diagnosed as autistic, which revealed our mother is undiagnosed masking autistic, and I have previously been diagnosed with adhd which many people don't know can involve strong mood swings and regulation issues. Even just C-PTSD can cause a person to develop habits and behaviors similar to more 'severe' conditions.
@ Oh yeah I thought I had ADHD because BPD has impulsivity in it and rejection dysphoria as well. The DSM itself tries to curb this with the "if not better explained by" category but it doesnt completely help
@@mkon29yeah bipolar you could be but 5 is. Very young for bpd. The youngest I've heard for a professional diagnosis(being told somebody got diagnosed and remained as such) was like 14. 5 year olds have too unstable a sense of self as a group to even begin considering any personality disorders.
Watching this show helped me get better. I couldn’t listen to therapists because I couldn’t get out of my own head saying they didn’t care about me. After finishing this show I got the medicine I needed and finally helped myself and got out of a pit I kept myself in. It’s an amazing show and glad that there’s a community that feels the same as I do. It sounds dumb that a cartoon horse helped me but comforting that a show can help me and others feel the same.
Great video! I fell in love with the show's depiction of mental health and recovery. It does not demonize the characters for relapsing and it also holds them (especially BoJack) accountable for their actions and being honest with themselves about their problems. I also love that the series finale shows us that healing comes in ebbs and flows and that we can grow and change despite constant setbacks. I love the BoJack Horseman series and this was a great analysis. Thanks!
My advice to everyone who has any mental or emotional problems: Please seek help and be honest about your feelings and issues because you shall be able to overcome them.
People wil leave during & after recovery. It will happen. Birds of a feather stick together. I know people who have gone sober. They lost a lot of family & friends. Because those people wanted whats best for this person but they did not know their own issues or were not ready to face their addictions. People will get left behind. Its needed. Sad but, needed. Its okay
you're honestly my favorite video essay channel on bojack horseman and mostly it's bc of the way you speak. you sound so chill and fun and laid back yet excited and engaged at the same time! it's never boring listening to you drone on about this show for hours and hours. i'm just so glad to have stumbled upon your channel once upon a time. i'm ALWAYS excited whenever you post new videos on bojack horseman! thank you!
It's more like we assume Bojack is committed to trying to get better. Prison provides structure and routine, and if you are willing, you can use that to help you recover. Season 4 Bojack would have definitely got drugs & alcohol in prison.
ja, i never caught that before about chugging his daily ration the moment the clock hits midnight. rough. that's gotta feel like you're almost starving, or that you can barely breathe
Yeah, i've done something similar. It is a wash of massive emotions all at once. A little relief hits with a TON of guilt. "Why am I like this, why do I need this, why can't I live without it, why am I a failure again..." And then regret, immediately. "There goes the next day's portion already." "Why couldn't I wait a little more?" "Why can't I do this, I have a system afterall". And then MORE guilt. "Why do I keep lying to myself? I've already messed up the system" And mixed in is the urge to surrender, to just let it be and get blackout drunk every day. Shit, man, the stars in the bottle always make me cry
I really appreciate this coming out at the time that it did, since I had recently fallen back to old habits and started to let the comfort of old, past thought patterns take over my life. The analysis of Bojack's addiction, the accurate portrayal that "mental health isn't just solved one day, it's a continuous habit of maintenance", the fact that change is always possible, and that I'm not inherently bad or good and that the people I may want to scorn aren't necessarily either... it all gives me so much sense of faith that I can bring momentum and sustain a healthy life here, and overcome the feeling that I can only be happy at home. This show and your analysis always helps bring clarity 💛
"There are people who understand every single piece of advice in this video and still can't get themselves to admit they have a problem and try to better themselves" me, an adultified youngest child who had to be my entire family's therapist who is now an isolating substance abuser who rolls over to puff a joint the second i wake up: surely he isnt talking about me though
I agree with most of this video, but the part about changing for yourself rather than for other people. Sometimes addicts and people struggling with self-destructive behaviors need to start their journey wanting to do right by others. Is it enough to change deeply rooted impulses and ways of thinking for your kids/spouse or friends? No, it won't last in the long-run. But it can START that way, and gradually you learn to love yourself while also being held accountable to yourself. Which by the way, accountability is all about having a support system around you. I think pop mental health makes harmful assertions that the thing that causes a lot of mental illness (isolation, stress and shame) can be solved by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, being ashamed of your actions enough. Obviously those things make it worse and lead to relapses.
This video speaks to me on so many levels. I like the idea of there not being good or bad people and as humans we should just try doing better each day! Bojack Horseman is such an important show.
We NEED more videos like this, this show needs to have more attention, it reflects so much and I think it hasn't been given as much value as it should have, people just say it's a depressed horse in a world full of weird animal like people but it is so much more than that, and if only people would just see how well this describes important subjects such as depression, addiction and narcissism, for example
This show got and still gets me through. I thank God I started watching it exactly when I needed it. I want to get sober for the first time in my life, It’s so hard but I cut off any relationships that didn’t show me any consideration I’m starting my life over again with the mindset that I can only control how I react.
I think the show does a phenomenal job at showing how real life is. At the end of the day we are all going to do things we aren’t proud of, things we regret, we’re going to hurt others, even those close to us. The world isn’t full of sunshine and rainbows and we aren’t always going to get what we want or be happy even when we’re really trying. I think having this level of reality in a show is something that hasn’t been explored all that much and the way the writers executed the delivery opens up the viewers mind and lets them feel better about themselves because hey that horse is doing a LOT worse than I am💀
Watching a video about a show I watch and a part of the video I really liked, like a "makes you think" type of scenes starts at 25:20. Of how like how the story is pointing out how the character -was- terrible person or was these self destructive behaviors, or anxiety or whatever issues, are like part of who you are or your personality, and how that's simply stupid and something people say to them and others because it's easier than putting in the effort to change and I just really liked that part and I understand it, and And I do relate to this, and I've realized that's what I've been doing too and I didn't think I really knew I was
I saw a reddit post about Bojock Horseman (the show, not the character per se), saying that they were upset about how it repeated itself, and that they wanted the characters to move on from the issues of the early seasons. Which like, I get. But also, I wanted to respond essentially the message of this video; that recovery is not a liner path, and presenting it as such all the time is just upsetting to people who have overwhelming issues to deal with and dishonest to everyone else. But that comment was like, from when season two came out and I saw it recently, so I sure as shit wasn't responding to it now. So I'm saying it here, for a sense of closure, lol. But genuinely, I need more analysis of mental illness as a funky process of continual fvck up and revocery, as covered in this video pls. (which is to say, thanks for this video)
I got sober in 2014, this show helped me understand my addiction to alcohol. Parts of this show were hard to watch, I can see too much of myself in BoJack. I've been able to make peace with my sobriety and I haven't relapsed once in the last 10 years. But TODD IS THE BEST! ACE PRIDE BABY!!!
When I needed to change my meds and didn't know it yet, there was a day I was deeply upset and frustrated with myself, and then my internal monologue started to remind me of Stupid Piece Of Shit. Felt like I had been in a speeding car and somebody slammed on the brakes, completely killed the momentum of the spiral I was in as I realized that I knew where that mindset led, and I didn't want to go there. Didn't fix everything, I've still had plenty of other spirals since then, but they're getting easier and easier to pull out of and recover from all the time, and that realization was definitely a big help with that
Beatrice has also been a bad influence for Bojack not being able to express his feelings. Joseph said that, "Crying is stupid!" and pretty much made Beatrice just as misogynistic as her husband.
I love this show I have no friends n makes me feel I have a group that understands my mental health the nsin5. When Vanessa said ‘ you do the best you can do n know that’s enough’ helps me know at work years now after the show is over lets me know I’ve done my best
Correction: Mr. Peanutbutter was never married to Pickles. He didn’t even get engaged to her until he chickened out of telling her that he slept with Diane (and that he was still in love with her). People like to drag Diane for that grownup fun time but she was the one who had the sense to not get into a new relationship before emotionally moving all the way on from the one she had just gotten out of.
So, I actually said something similar to a friend I was close to from work. He was struggling heavily with addiction and asked me one day “do you think I’m a good person?” And I said I don’t believe in good or bad people, just a bunch of souls wandering the earth, looking for purpose. That day I was in the middle of setting up an intervention for him and that night I found out he had ODed…. I was devastated, they called me out of work for a week… I blame myself for the answer I gave him sometimes…
It is very important to be represent well and correct Thanks for the video about this very important subject it well be good for min Mental Health Please take care of yourself everyone
I’d like to agree that we are all truly of change, and that saying “this is just how I am” is the lazy way out, but I don’t know. I think I WAS born with irreversible flaws. I’m awkward and weird and strange, and I can’t do anything right. I have the mindset and desire to love and help people, but I’m genuinly to weird to make sense of it and make it work
Bojack hurt so many people, hog holly cutting him off was her choice and she was a kid. And got drugged in his care not his fault but a lot of his actions r so you can’t say he shouldn’t get help bc of one horse even if nobody forgives him he should want to be better for bojack
yeah, butterscotch is terrible, but as a frustrated writer myself, he cracks me tf up, and his monologues are hilarious... don't go singing my mommy was my daddy at your night club act while gazing longingly at a string of pearls... like, omg! is that bunny? from breakfast of champions? that kills me... and he wanted to be one of the beats... omg! he wouldn't even like those guys, so funny!
Instead of taking pills, I was put on marijuana. I’ve had very bad experiences with them so smoking pot has always helped me. I think about it sometimes because I do do it often and think I am addicted but at the same time I feel like it betters me because I’m actually happier and kinder to myself with it which kind of makes sense but at the same time it just makes me feel more like an addict, I’m trying to justify what I’m doing. The one difference that I do know is I don’t let my addictions hurt other people or even involve other people. I simply do it because it makes me happy. I feel like that’s a bad thing.
So the thing I keep thinking about is, was it worth it for Beverly to be happy for a little bit, even though it ended up sad? Or would it be better if the whole thing would have never happened?
Fell to my lowest in 2023 drugs jail self harm. Lost my gf 2024 (catalyst). Turning my life around even if it’s corny for the first time done boxing myself in with toxic masculinity and I can’t get those I hurt back but learning that Jesus will always love me no matter how messed up our past. Dying is easy it’s living that’s hard.
The baboon kind of quote saying like it gets easier, but you gotta do it every day and every first kind of anything you said to think of Shiloh love just do it meme only not nowhere near as like brutal, as it’s more like the journey when it comes to doing a thing (mental illnesses included).
Am i a bad person if i cut contact with my bestfriend radically because dje was always in some struggle, constandly dumping on me, ruining moments. I felt like as if her problemd were mine while i wad anf still sm strugglong wirh myself. I also realizef how different we were and hoe she would belittle or always had to do worse than me. It was so so draining it felt forced talking with her but if she is not able to work on i dont want to be dragged into it, i was sick of always whenver we talked she always brought negative stuff in. I feel bad because i know she needs a close frienf right now bit also annoyed because she acted all cocky, implying i would come back to her crawling and passivly thinking i was talking behind her back, (in her opinion why i wanted to cut contact) she would call, message spam me till i woulf ,,give her the reason why“. Her personality is also disgusting and insecure af
I don’t agree with what diane said about there not being “good” or “bad” people out there. yes there are people who are capable of both good and evil, but there are also people out there who have no moral compass, and who don’t care about any of the bad things they’ve done. I would say that’s fundamentally evil, and I’m not talking about people who are capable of change, I’m talking about people who don’t see anything wrong with their actions and don’t want to change. I understand that calling yourself a “bad person” might be an excuse to some people but in some cases I do believe it applies.
@@Star_dust_c of course I consider bojack to be a bad person, but he’s someone who was capable of change as you can see in the show. even when he was doing bad things you could see the guilt like he knew what he was doing was bad. In comparison there are people who commit murder/serial killers who show no remorse for what they did, and spend the rest of their lives rotting in prison maintaining that they did nothing wrong. so for that reason, I’d say they’re just pure evil that aren’t capable of change.
@@azariyahabibjust because someone doesn’t want to change their bad behavior doesn’t mean that they aren’t capable of it. Unless they have some organic brain dysfunction, everyone has the ability to learn and change. The issue is that some people will only change once the consequences of NOT changing no longer sit well with them. And the irony here is that those consequences come much quicker when there aren’t other people around who are convinced that they “can’t” change and therefore never expect them to.
It's kind of like the question of "when does life/personhood begin?". Things are pretty obvious at the extremes: that crying baby is obviously person. That egg and sperms cell, those things aren't ppl. But between the extremes, it's really up to you to draw a line. Similarly, you're obviously evil if your Hitler. You're obviously good if you're Hareiet Tubman. The in-between is pretty subjective
11:20 (i may have the patience of Jezus (who i don't believe in) but..) NO. you are a 'bad' person. Nobody is perfect, everyone messes up. Some of us even mess up so horribly it's understandable to take some distance for a bit. Been there, done that! But then I went back, talked to them and forgave. Because while we can dislike the horrible acts they did; they did feel remorse, told you and are trying to change. If you cannot see how that is just another person TRYING... Then YOU are the one not worthy of my love. :( that said i also recognize that the people who make these (dumb)ass choices to break away tend to not be in the healthiest points themselves. Not being able to forgive others, a lack of empathy... I can only guess at what horrors they lived through to get this jaded and hateful. Forgiveness. Love. Patience. I hope you'll understand this one day. :)
I've always been upset by the notion that "1 in 5 suffer from [this]". I'd say: 1/5 'knows'. I would be absolutely shocked if more then 1/1000 could not do with a few months of therapy. the louder someone yells they are that one in a thousand, the more damn obvious it is they are not :|
I am viewing this show over and over again. Not because i can Identity myself with any of this characters. More because I see my ex, the one I am not really over, in Bojack. I love Bojack maybe the same as i love(d) him. But i don‘t understand how a person can be this reckless and selfish and immoral. I really can not see his point of view. You can feel miserable but also not being an asshole. I still can’t relate, because I could not treat other people like that, even if I am struggling. So I keep watching it over and over…
To think a sad horse who was unable to help himself has helped me so much
Is still helping me to this day via videos like this and me changing leading to changing my interpretations and views on characters/myself reflected back at me. Crazy how much this show means to me.
For ppl who said Bojack should have died, missed the point. Death is easy. The easier option. Living is hard and hard work. Bojack dying would have taught the lesson that death is an easy escape from your problems and thats a lie.
It is lmao
It also just genuinely would have been way too sad. I feel like there's this prevailing unspoken narrative in society that if you're a "bad person" who doesn't manage to magically fix yourself that you inherently deserve to die. The show ending with Bojack still alive at the very least shows that he hasn't completely given up and may, someday, find some sort of peace.
Death is easy, living is harder
not only that, but it would definitely lead so many people (including myself) to committing s*icide by conveying the wrong message that “this is an easy way out of your problems”. that is exactly what happened with “13 reasons why”, which is a perfect cinematographic example on how one should NOT bring attention to mental health. I’m really glad that I stumbled upon Bojack because it has helped me immensely with my mental illness.
@@MisterLackLustreIt doesn't give an escape it's just the end if everything. Which means the issues will still go on even with Bojack gone. People would still know what a bad person he was with no chance for him to even try to redeem himself, as well as he would hurt everybody around him who knew him. It would just create more problems and soread.
You can get addicted to your own depression.
It's so messed and self sabotagey but if you feel like there's no other way it's hard to see yourself any other way
It becomes an incredible toxic, self-validating cycle that I think Bojack fell into.
1. I'm a piece of shit and life sucks. Anyone who knew me would leave after seeing the real me.
2. I pushed people away by being a toxic asshole because I've come to expect that of myself.
3. People left me for being a toxic asshole. I was right to think I was an unlovable piece of shit.
4. Go back to step 1 and repeat.
And this just spirals on and on. And either you wake up from it and work on self healing, or you keep using the pattern as a crutch.
It's not really addiction, it just deeply ingrains the longer it goes on.
@@philbattiste9649I mean I think I’m unlovable, but I’ve never been an asshole.
Not to mention, if you have spent your entire life struggling with mental illness, getting better is incredibly scary. As Bojack himself has acknowledged when going to rehab when he asks Diane what if he gets sober and is still a bad person? Holding onto his flaws means he has an excuse for his behavior in his mind.
I wish I knew that when I was younger because all I knew was that I didn’t know who I was if I wasn’t sad and crying so I’d find a reason to
There were times when I was watching and would think to myself, "That's so terrible who would do that!" *I would* it was really a wake up call to actually do better, not just fantasize about it.
feel that. every time i feel like doubling down on something stupid i think of the one guy, you know the one. he won't go away. we're all sick of his name but we can't stop saying it, bout to be in charge again, gonna burn down the whole world and bring back that thing he probably says didn't happen. well, that makes me a better person, not acting like that
@@intellectually_lazy you mean Bojack?
@@mosquitopyjamas9048yep definitely
@ no
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 you make me feel like kelsey janning telling justin money num num num that for his last 3 movies is not why roman pulanski should be in actual prison
hollyhock has every right to place boundaries of any kind she has to to maintain here comfort and wellbeing. bojack is not her responsibility
I fee this. Having tried to help (and people help me at some points) only to trauma bond at best rather than push through it all. I don't know. I do know I'd never give up on my family but me and my siblings are lucky that we have a tight relationship of support (them missing a lot of my downward spiral back in the day).
Bojack always has me dive into stream of conscious rambly posts.
Just got to point in video, you're 100% correct and the people who blame Hollyhock probably just haven't experienced this in their lives
Working on yourself and doing the right thing must not be contingent on other people giving you what you want out of it.
Its crazy how much Hollyhock went through after meeting Bojack and people STILL think she should have a relationship with him. Like she owes him or her own traumas and boundaries aren't important because Bojack is the MC. Sometimes your life gets better by cutting the toxic people out of it and just because Bojack was appearing to be better doesn't mean he was. The interview showed us how he didn't really move on or get better.
@@Ashbrash1998 see I don't know that he didn't get better but relapsed again whxhbhe is prone to do. I think about the jogging Monkey and I genuinely want to believe Bojack was becoming better when he retired and tried to right his wrongs (that he could at least) but yes the monumental stack of crap hes done and his bloody ego just pushed him to relapse as soon as he got validation. I think for me it shows you can change but you have to keep working on yourself and not accept an easy get out of trouble card like Bojack got in the first interview because his nature cannot allow that.
I hope I'm not rambling, it's just I don't want people who are bettering themselves to just give up cos they don't think they can change.
Ngl, I watched Bojack Horseman around the same time in my life when my mom died. Seeing him go through losing his mom, too, was very helpful. My mom had dementia at the end, too! My mom wasn't the best person either. I struggle some days to do good. Be just a bit better than yesterday. Etc.
So the ending, where he doesn't die, is super important to me! I've always been depressed and I still think I'll off myself one day... But that doesn't have to be my ending. Life keeps going.
My condolences to you.
I can relate to having a complicated relationship to a mom who wasn't always great.
And you're right about Bojack ending living. It is important because it helped you and I bet it helped others as well
I wish you the best 😊
your comment touched me so much i really wish you the best, i’ll pray that you find peace or at least a bit of courage 🙏🏻
I think Diane gotta be one of my favorite characters, like, period, like I love her so much
Same!
I've been a Diane defender since Season 2 and I've been fighting for my fucking life lmao but over the years I've seen more and more people side with Diane.
Diane is also close to my heart. We all see ourselves in her.
@@mac081793on first watch, my wife HATED Diane, but further along after contemplation she came around. Diane is always TRYING. She messes up and does crappy things and makes bad decisions as much as anyone else, but she’s always questioning morality and what it means. She’s always got being a better person in mind. She’s not just a great character, but someone whose effort should be resoundingly applauded.
i recently have been diagnosed with the disorder everyone thinks bojack has (borderline personality disorder) and i need yall to know THINGS CAN GET BETTER. i am almost 1 year self harm free and havent thought about hurting myself in months. i am fully recovered from an eating disorder and i am on the full road to recovery
i am so proud of you 🫶
thank you for posting this 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
How’s it going, my fellow borderline 🎉 recovery is possible, we’re living proof! 😊
YES
I always related to Bojack even before getting the diagnosis, and to see more people w BPD discovering themselves in his behaviour makes me happy bc it can massively help them seek help. 🙏🏻
One thing I really appreciate in the final season is Diane's journey from wanting to help Bojack more effectively after so many years while also having to make the decision to set some boundaries. It really made me think about a relationship with one of my friends who has always struggled with their mental health. I had been working on myself and realised that while I was busy helping them, it was causing me to look after myself less, so like Diane I decided to get them some help because neither of us can risk a situation like Diane receiving the phone call in View from Halfway down. I've not rested on my laurels about it, I still check in but I'm happy to say that both of us seeking therapy has worked fantastic for us - even if we're not "fixed", we're both doing better and there isn't a constant worry that something could go horribly wrong like there was before. I'm so glad that this show opened up my eyes that I could be doing a lot more for both of us.
I find this hilarious that part of the female fantasies always comes around to leaving a "toxic" man behind 😂
It's not profound it's just giving up on someone with bells on.
I had a friend just like that but for a while she refused to get help bc it "wasn't in her cards". Two attempts and a massive breakdown on my front porch which caused my mom to step in led to a fallout where we didn't speak for three years. We ended up reconnecting and she's in a much better place after finally getting the help she really needed
@Celeste-jh2lj I'm sorry you and your friend had to fall out like that. But I'm glad you're both in a better place now
@russelltietjen4407 me too. It's not the same but it doesn't need to be. We set boundaries and talk all the time again. Im glad you and your friend were able to get help. It's not easy but it's better in the end
have a friend like this to, he was suicidal and we both hated ourselves, we were toxic and we had to separate, fast forward to college and we reconnect, both in better places. i can set boundaries and people please less, he learned to slow down and consider people's feelings. bojack helped me realize my own toxic traits and i learned to improve myself.
Thanks, dude. You know, watching essay after essay on this show has made me realize that I'm still worthy of changing, even though it's difficult for me. I thank you and other creators for that and I'm happy to find out that it's not over, and I still got this.
I remember crying really hard when i watched the "stupid piece of shit" episode because it really was a perfect depiction of what went on inside of my head a lot of the time
one of my favourite episodes ❤
Still one of my favorite episodes of all time to rewatch after years
love this video and absolutely gets the point of why i hate when people say bojack cant change. cuz like he can. and he did!! at the core the whole “you can’t change” idea is an excuse. everyone can, basically what ur video said! i ranted about this in my notes app once lmao
One of Bojack's biggest flaws is his inability to admit he has power over himself and his choices. It's easier for him to label himself as an out of control villain in a death spiral, because it makes it easier for him to justify his shitty choices to himself. But that's not true. As Todd points out, he may have a fucked up childhood, or issues with drugs and alcohol, but ultimately it is Bojack who makes choices for himself in the present. For Bojack, it's hard to acknowledge his own agency and his own role in his maladaptive coping, because that means admitting to his faults and shortcomings as a person.
@ yes exactly!!! and then you see viewers outside of the show take his mindset as the truth and its like no?? ? the fact he could’ve tried to put the effort in earlier should be a huge sting that he should definitely feel and that goes for not just him but everyone struggling with this type of stuff. u always gotta look at the past right in its face to see how u can do better from it instead of ignoring it bc its gonna come back 😔 and it very much so did for him haha
The show makes it clear that he hasn't. None of the main characters do. They're pulling the same shit in season 6 that they were in season 1
@@andyblanton6570 what a boring show that would be 😭
@@fishtastic it's exactly what happens
25:39 some insight as someone in recovery for bpd & ocd, both of these disorders & similar ones have a very large element of shame & fear. out of fear that nothing will get better, we can take on ALL the blame for everything wrong and decide that we are terrible people. it's a coping mechanism in a way, believing that the one thing we can control (ourselves) is the thing that's wrong and that we have can fix it & make everything right again. but you can't grow if you fail to properly acknowledge the circumstances you're in, which was the key for bojack's growth as well.
Before I even start watching the video, I just wanna say that Bojack Horseman is a show that I can always rewatch even the dark and ugly moments. And that’s because of the way it helped me realize how I was abusing alcohol and how I was allowing my depression to overtake my entire life. I can’t wait to get through this video and see how you guys feel about it as well.
I think you should check out Crazy Ex Girlfriend. It has a lot in common with Bojack; positive depictions of mental illness, satire, brutal genre deconstruction of a "feel good" genre hidden by a colorful veneer, characters that seem like typical archetypes but are gradually revealed to have hidden depths. I think you should check it out.
Seconding this! I watched CXG and Bojack during roughly the same time period and it really struck me how much they have in common. For me they're practically companion pieces.
I think the reason why these shows have a lot in common is because both main characters suffer with the same illness (borderline personality disorder)
thirding this!! Rebecca Bunch is fascinating as a protagonist in such similar ways to Bojack
To all the people who relate to Bojack or Diane, look up the symptoms of BPD. Lots of therapists who are certified for depression/anxiety have no clue what to do with personality disorders
Honestly I feel like this is a huge problem in the psychiatry field, partially because so many of these disorders have similar or overlapping symptoms. My sister was diagnosed at 5 with bpd and bipolar but she's 29 now and was just diagnosed as autistic, which revealed our mother is undiagnosed masking autistic, and I have previously been diagnosed with adhd which many people don't know can involve strong mood swings and regulation issues. Even just C-PTSD can cause a person to develop habits and behaviors similar to more 'severe' conditions.
@ Oh yeah I thought I had ADHD because BPD has impulsivity in it and rejection dysphoria as well. The DSM itself tries to curb this with the "if not better explained by" category but it doesnt completely help
@@sativadiva2389I believe you can’t get diagnosed w BPD until you’re 18 🤔
@@mkon29yeah bipolar you could be but 5 is. Very young for bpd. The youngest I've heard for a professional diagnosis(being told somebody got diagnosed and remained as such) was like 14. 5 year olds have too unstable a sense of self as a group to even begin considering any personality disorders.
Watching this show helped me get better. I couldn’t listen to therapists because I couldn’t get out of my own head saying they didn’t care about me. After finishing this show I got the medicine I needed and finally helped myself and got out of a pit I kept myself in. It’s an amazing show and glad that there’s a community that feels the same as I do. It sounds dumb that a cartoon horse helped me but comforting that a show can help me and others feel the same.
Great video! I fell in love with the show's depiction of mental health and recovery. It does not demonize the characters for relapsing and it also holds them (especially BoJack) accountable for their actions and being honest with themselves about their problems. I also love that the series finale shows us that healing comes in ebbs and flows and that we can grow and change despite constant setbacks. I love the BoJack Horseman series and this was a great analysis. Thanks!
My advice to everyone who has any mental or emotional problems: Please seek help and be honest about your feelings and issues because you shall be able to overcome them.
Thanks I needed that
Absolutely!
People wil leave during & after recovery. It will happen.
Birds of a feather stick together.
I know people who have gone sober. They lost a lot of family & friends. Because those people wanted whats best for this person but they did not know their own issues or were not ready to face their addictions.
People will get left behind. Its needed. Sad but, needed.
Its okay
you're honestly my favorite video essay channel on bojack horseman and mostly it's bc of the way you speak. you sound so chill and fun and laid back yet excited and engaged at the same time! it's never boring listening to you drone on about this show for hours and hours. i'm just so glad to have stumbled upon your channel once upon a time. i'm ALWAYS excited whenever you post new videos on bojack horseman! thank you!
12:49 You don’t think prisoners can manage to get alcohol in prison? Oh you sweet summer child
Must not have heard of toilet wine
It's more like we assume Bojack is committed to trying to get better. Prison provides structure and routine, and if you are willing, you can use that to help you recover. Season 4 Bojack would have definitely got drugs & alcohol in prison.
Really? I figured if the prison is strict it's pretty realistic to prevent alcohol from getting in
@@Kurushimi1729 It doesn't need to get in, prisoners usually brew their own wine, some even distill it into a rudimentary vodka
ja, i never caught that before about chugging his daily ration the moment the clock hits midnight. rough. that's gotta feel like you're almost starving, or that you can barely breathe
Yeah, i've done something similar. It is a wash of massive emotions all at once. A little relief hits with a TON of guilt. "Why am I like this, why do I need this, why can't I live without it, why am I a failure again..." And then regret, immediately. "There goes the next day's portion already." "Why couldn't I wait a little more?" "Why can't I do this, I have a system afterall". And then MORE guilt. "Why do I keep lying to myself? I've already messed up the system"
And mixed in is the urge to surrender, to just let it be and get blackout drunk every day. Shit, man, the stars in the bottle always make me cry
@@burnedbread4691 thanks for sharing that. i hope you are well. alcoholism is for real!
it’s how addiction works, yes
@@mkon29 fr!
I really appreciate this coming out at the time that it did, since I had recently fallen back to old habits and started to let the comfort of old, past thought patterns take over my life. The analysis of Bojack's addiction, the accurate portrayal that "mental health isn't just solved one day, it's a continuous habit of maintenance", the fact that change is always possible, and that I'm not inherently bad or good and that the people I may want to scorn aren't necessarily either... it all gives me so much sense of faith that I can bring momentum and sustain a healthy life here, and overcome the feeling that I can only be happy at home. This show and your analysis always helps bring clarity 💛
"There are people who understand every single piece of advice in this video and still can't get themselves to admit they have a problem and try to better themselves"
me, an adultified youngest child who had to be my entire family's therapist who is now an isolating substance abuser who rolls over to puff a joint the second i wake up: surely he isnt talking about me though
I agree with most of this video, but the part about changing for yourself rather than for other people. Sometimes addicts and people struggling with self-destructive behaviors need to start their journey wanting to do right by others. Is it enough to change deeply rooted impulses and ways of thinking for your kids/spouse or friends? No, it won't last in the long-run. But it can START that way, and gradually you learn to love yourself while also being held accountable to yourself. Which by the way, accountability is all about having a support system around you.
I think pop mental health makes harmful assertions that the thing that causes a lot of mental illness (isolation, stress and shame) can be solved by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, being ashamed of your actions enough. Obviously those things make it worse and lead to relapses.
This video came at the exact right time for me
This video speaks to me on so many levels. I like the idea of there not being good or bad people and as humans we should just try doing better each day! Bojack Horseman is such an important show.
We NEED more videos like this, this show needs to have more attention, it reflects so much and I think it hasn't been given as much value as it should have, people just say it's a depressed horse in a world full of weird animal like people but it is so much more than that, and if only people would just see how well this describes important subjects such as depression, addiction and narcissism, for example
Healing is a matter of time, but it is sometimes also a matter of opportunity.
This show got and still gets me through.
I thank God I started watching it exactly when I needed it.
I want to get sober for the first time in my life, It’s so hard but I cut off any relationships that didn’t show me any consideration
I’m starting my life over again with the mindset that I can only control how I react.
You can do this, it’s gonna be hard but I believe in you!!!!
As someone who has been sober for awhile and never thought I would be it is possible. You just gotta keep trying.
@@strawberripie7626 thank you ❤️
@@RobertAgnew-gu6to ❤️
Shit man, you have one of the greatest understanding of mental illness and health I’ve ever experienced. Amazing work and keep it up
Even though I never watched the Bojack series, I love the introspective thinking this channels videos have.
I think the show does a phenomenal job at showing how real life is. At the end of the day we are all going to do things we aren’t proud of, things we regret, we’re going to hurt others, even those close to us. The world isn’t full of sunshine and rainbows and we aren’t always going to get what we want or be happy even when we’re really trying. I think having this level of reality in a show is something that hasn’t been explored all that much and the way the writers executed the delivery opens up the viewers mind and lets them feel better about themselves because hey that horse is doing a LOT worse than I am💀
Watching a video about a show I watch and a part of the video I really liked, like a "makes you think" type of scenes starts at 25:20. Of how like how the story is pointing out how the character -was- terrible person or was these self destructive behaviors, or anxiety or whatever issues, are like part of who you are or your personality, and how that's simply stupid and something people say to them and others because it's easier than putting in the effort to change and I just really liked that part and I understand it, and And I do relate to this, and I've realized that's what I've been doing too and I didn't think I really knew I was
I saw a reddit post about Bojock Horseman (the show, not the character per se), saying that they were upset about how it repeated itself, and that they wanted the characters to move on from the issues of the early seasons. Which like, I get. But also, I wanted to respond essentially the message of this video; that recovery is not a liner path, and presenting it as such all the time is just upsetting to people who have overwhelming issues to deal with and dishonest to everyone else. But that comment was like, from when season two came out and I saw it recently, so I sure as shit wasn't responding to it now. So I'm saying it here, for a sense of closure, lol.
But genuinely, I need more analysis of mental illness as a funky process of continual fvck up and revocery, as covered in this video pls. (which is to say, thanks for this video)
I got sober in 2014, this show helped me understand my addiction to alcohol. Parts of this show were hard to watch, I can see too much of myself in BoJack. I've been able to make peace with my sobriety and I haven't relapsed once in the last 10 years.
But TODD IS THE BEST! ACE PRIDE BABY!!!
This boutta be a good one for sure
When I needed to change my meds and didn't know it yet, there was a day I was deeply upset and frustrated with myself, and then my internal monologue started to remind me of Stupid Piece Of Shit. Felt like I had been in a speeding car and somebody slammed on the brakes, completely killed the momentum of the spiral I was in as I realized that I knew where that mindset led, and I didn't want to go there. Didn't fix everything, I've still had plenty of other spirals since then, but they're getting easier and easier to pull out of and recover from all the time, and that realization was definitely a big help with that
Amazing video on how deep the show truly is. Could you make a Face of Depression episode breakdown?
I got OCD too brother, thanks for the video btw it's well put together
Beatrice has also been a bad influence for Bojack not being able to express his feelings. Joseph said that, "Crying is stupid!" and pretty much made Beatrice just as misogynistic as her husband.
I love this show I have no friends n makes me feel I have a group that understands my mental health the nsin5. When Vanessa said ‘ you do the best you can do n know that’s enough’ helps me know at work years now after the show is over lets me know I’ve done my best
"Back, in the 90's, I was in a very famous TV show. I'm Bo-Jack The Horse"
She jacked my bo until I horsemanned
I just lost my grandfather to dementia last year. I wasn't ready for the Beatrice scenes.
..fuck...
my father died yesterday, i feel the same way
I hope you're doing well.❤@@olvietreee
I’m just glad my family is still alive
Correction: Mr. Peanutbutter was never married to Pickles. He didn’t even get engaged to her until he chickened out of telling her that he slept with Diane (and that he was still in love with her). People like to drag Diane for that grownup fun time but she was the one who had the sense to not get into a new relationship before emotionally moving all the way on from the one she had just gotten out of.
Love your opening statement. :) thanks for making this content !
thank you,i needed to see this,hope this video helps to spark change for somoene.
I feel much more enticed to support you on patreon when you mention the price, do that more often!
So, I actually said something similar to a friend I was close to from work. He was struggling heavily with addiction and asked me one day “do you think I’m a good person?” And I said I don’t believe in good or bad people, just a bunch of souls wandering the earth, looking for purpose. That day I was in the middle of setting up an intervention for him and that night I found out he had ODed…. I was devastated, they called me out of work for a week… I blame myself for the answer I gave him sometimes…
it’s not your fault❤
I understand why you feel responsible, but please know it’s not your fault ❤
Bro the narrator sounds like “A Ryan secrest type” dude from the show lmao
omg lmao
Damn I use to watch this show and think bojack is me and own it … it’s crazy how this popped up when I’m actually tryna change my ways. That’s wassup
Great video great work keep it up!!
It is very important to be represent well and correct Thanks for the video about this very important subject it well be good for min Mental Health Please take care of yourself everyone
I’d like to agree that we are all truly of change, and that saying “this is just how I am” is the lazy way out, but I don’t know. I think I WAS born with irreversible flaws. I’m awkward and weird and strange, and I can’t do anything right. I have the mindset and desire to love and help people, but I’m genuinly to weird to make sense of it and make it work
HOLY FLIP HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE BIG VIDEOS SO FAST?!?😄
Great video!
go hollyhock! you just go rock your life out there and shine!
Can u do a deep dive on Arcane? I'd love to see ur analysis. I miss the old TVWins channel, but this channel is awesome too.
Tbh I’d love to see that
liking this video before i even start because i know its gonna slap
S tier video.
I’d love to see a deep dive on the show Succession.
It kind of reminds me of Bojack
Bojack hurt so many people, hog holly cutting him off was her choice and she was a kid. And got drugged in his care not his fault but a lot of his actions r so you can’t say he shouldn’t get help bc of one horse even if nobody forgives him he should want to be better for bojack
You mean Hollyhock. But he does show the capacity for positive changes. It's just frustrating when it doesn't stick
@ what do you mean? When didn’t it stick? And damn I put holly hock autocorrect is so annoying
omg! is this a closed meeting? i must've blacked out. i don't even remember coming to the rooms!
yeah, butterscotch is terrible, but as a frustrated writer myself, he cracks me tf up, and his monologues are hilarious... don't go singing my mommy was my daddy at your night club act while gazing longingly at a string of pearls... like, omg! is that bunny? from breakfast of champions? that kills me... and he wanted to be one of the beats... omg! he wouldn't even like those guys, so funny!
Instead of taking pills, I was put on marijuana. I’ve had very bad experiences with them so smoking pot has always helped me. I think about it sometimes because I do do it often and think I am addicted but at the same time I feel like it betters me because I’m actually happier and kinder to myself with it which kind of makes sense but at the same time it just makes me feel more like an addict, I’m trying to justify what I’m doing. The one difference that I do know is I don’t let my addictions hurt other people or even involve other people. I simply do it because it makes me happy.
I feel like that’s a bad thing.
So the thing I keep thinking about is, was it worth it for Beverly to be happy for a little bit, even though it ended up sad? Or would it be better if the whole thing would have never happened?
Fell to my lowest in 2023 drugs jail self harm. Lost my gf 2024 (catalyst). Turning my life around even if it’s corny for the first time done boxing myself in with toxic masculinity and I can’t get those I hurt back but learning that Jesus will always love me no matter how messed up our past. Dying is easy it’s living that’s hard.
The baboon kind of quote saying like it gets easier, but you gotta do it every day and every first kind of anything you said to think of Shiloh love just do it meme only not nowhere near as like brutal, as it’s more like the journey when it comes to doing a thing (mental illnesses included).
todd is so fn deep sometimes
Society needs to be kinder to addicts. Almost everyone struggles with something, food or drugs or money or leisure or success....
How do you know if your nuts?
I'm such a Bojack, I can't do nothing right.
Its a good essay
Having said that, what is your opinion when the only therapists shown in the show are bad at their jobs?
Most therapists I've had were terrible at their jobs. Still looking for one that stays within the bounds of their profession.
Sorely tempted to introduce my mother to BJH somehow. Or just send her this video. She probably wouldn't like it but I can dream LMAO
6:19 Ladybird his ass!!!!
Hola from Colorado
You sound like sonic thr hedgehog
I don't need to watch TV to know about mental health.... I've lived and suffered with other peoples illness along with my own.
I feel like peoples end opinions on bojack really say a lot about someone as a individual.
Am i a bad person if i cut contact with my bestfriend radically because dje was always in some struggle, constandly dumping on me, ruining moments. I felt like as if her problemd were mine while i wad anf still sm strugglong wirh myself. I also realizef how different we were and hoe she would belittle or always had to do worse than me. It was so so draining it felt forced talking with her but if she is not able to work on i dont want to be dragged into it, i was sick of always whenver we talked she always brought negative stuff in. I feel bad because i know she needs a close frienf right now bit also annoyed because she acted all cocky, implying i would come back to her crawling and passivly thinking i was talking behind her back, (in her opinion why i wanted to cut contact) she would call, message spam me till i woulf ,,give her the reason why“. Her personality is also disgusting and insecure af
I don’t agree with what diane said about there not being “good” or “bad” people out there. yes there are people who are capable of both good and evil, but there are also people out there who have no moral compass, and who don’t care about any of the bad things they’ve done. I would say that’s fundamentally evil, and I’m not talking about people who are capable of change, I’m talking about people who don’t see anything wrong with their actions and don’t want to change. I understand that calling yourself a “bad person” might be an excuse to some people but in some cases I do believe it applies.
So, out of curiosity, do you not consider Bojack to be a bad person?
@@Star_dust_c of course I consider bojack to be a bad person, but he’s someone who was capable of change as you can see in the show. even when he was doing bad things you could see the guilt like he knew what he was doing was bad. In comparison there are people who commit murder/serial killers who show no remorse for what they did, and spend the rest of their lives rotting in prison maintaining that they did nothing wrong. so for that reason, I’d say they’re just pure evil that aren’t capable of change.
@@azariyahabibjust because someone doesn’t want to change their bad behavior doesn’t mean that they aren’t capable of it. Unless they have some organic brain dysfunction, everyone has the ability to learn and change. The issue is that some people will only change once the consequences of NOT changing no longer sit well with them. And the irony here is that those consequences come much quicker when there aren’t other people around who are convinced that they “can’t” change and therefore never expect them to.
It's kind of like the question of "when does life/personhood begin?". Things are pretty obvious at the extremes: that crying baby is obviously person. That egg and sperms cell, those things aren't ppl. But between the extremes, it's really up to you to draw a line. Similarly, you're obviously evil if your Hitler. You're obviously good if you're Hareiet Tubman. The in-between is pretty subjective
Mix Bojack with Ted Lasso and Undone
❤
nothing wrong with mysoginistic values
commenting on every bojack horseman video #586
This program deconstructs and questions everything that the 80s sitcoms stated.
11:20 (i may have the patience of Jezus (who i don't believe in) but..)
NO. you are a 'bad' person.
Nobody is perfect, everyone messes up.
Some of us even mess up so horribly it's understandable to take some distance for a bit.
Been there, done that! But then I went back, talked to them and forgave.
Because while we can dislike the horrible acts they did;
they did feel remorse, told you and are trying to change.
If you cannot see how that is just another person TRYING...
Then YOU are the one not worthy of my love. :(
that said i also recognize that the people who make these (dumb)ass choices to break away tend to not be in the healthiest points themselves.
Not being able to forgive others, a lack of empathy...
I can only guess at what horrors they lived through to get this jaded and hateful.
Forgiveness.
Love.
Patience.
I hope you'll understand this one day. :)
I've always been upset by the notion that "1 in 5 suffer from [this]".
I'd say: 1/5 'knows'.
I would be absolutely shocked if more then 1/1000 could not do with a few months of therapy.
the louder someone yells they are that one in a thousand, the more damn obvious it is they are not :|
First
I am viewing this show over and over again. Not because i can Identity myself with any of this characters. More because I see my ex, the one I am not really over, in Bojack. I love Bojack maybe the same as i love(d) him. But i don‘t understand how a person can be this reckless and selfish and immoral. I really can not see his point of view. You can feel miserable but also not being an asshole. I still can’t relate, because I could not treat other people like that, even if I am struggling. So I keep watching it over and over…
I feel like the show makes it abundantly clear that most people cannot change.
I don’t think that is the message at all
this video has a lot of yapping
it's a video essay my fellow earth dweller.
free therapy right here
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