Go Beyond - with Rupert Sheldrake | Virtual Futures Salon

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  • @adrianobulla7875
    @adrianobulla7875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    He's one of my idols... Love him. Beautiful open mind, and such a lovely person.

  • @RedIndra
    @RedIndra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What an incredibly wise man is that Sheldrake.. So pleasant to listen to him.

  • @richardfinlayson1524
    @richardfinlayson1524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The experiences I have had on mushrooms changed my world view and remain the most profound spiritual experiences I have ever had.

    • @margaretlouise6200
      @margaretlouise6200 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I've had very profound experiences too. But I've understood that it's not in the substance per se. It's that certain substances remove the "veil" that keeps us focused in a 3-D world and we see beyond to reality. So what you notice is TRUTH, not the drug itself. That's the profundity.

    • @jasminejones9937
      @jasminejones9937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@margaretlouise6200 So what's "the truth" ? (for those of us who've never done magic mushrooms...)

    • @harryradley
      @harryradley 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasminejones9937 There's a broad range of experiences. Mine have typically had an archetypal theme and some psychedelic visuals but I haven't had an experience that led to permanent spiritual growth. Others have, it's just that the people I met who really got deep into it were a bit weird and spacey so I always did it in moderation so as not to become a burnout.
      I found my experiences very enjoyable, but I knew to be cautious, especially with stuff like molly and ecstasy because they're known to be more addictive than mushrooms and LSD (although it's a myth that you can't get addicted to these, I've met people who were). Never managed to get my hands on ayahuasca or DMT though so I can't speak on those, I understand they're probably the best for more profound spiritual experiences though.
      These types of drugs are much more positive overall than stuff like tobacco, alcohol, meth etc. but I still think people who live completely clean lives are better off as a result.

  • @archONtour
    @archONtour 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    rupert. the grandfather i always wanted, never had and finally found on youtube...

  • @duncanmckeown1292
    @duncanmckeown1292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Although I am not a practicing Christian...I am a great admirer of Sheldrake for shattering the barrier imposed on modern thought by reductionist materialism. It is a kind of voluntary imaginative lobotomy, in my opinion...and a cultural dead end. One of the great inspirational minds of our age.

  • @bowsermotiongraphics5583
    @bowsermotiongraphics5583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dr. Sheldrake is a living display of a person who has forgotten more then most will ever know. My hat is off to you sir, forgive me.

  • @adrianciu
    @adrianciu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wonderful biologist, philosopher and scientist! A model to be emulated. A gift from above for any honest mind and soul.
    Anyone wishing to keep up with timeless as well as current developments of highest knowledge should closely follow at least three contemporary thinkers: Rupert Sheldrake, Thomas Campbell and Donald Hoffman. We are blessed to have them in these interesting but worrisome times.

  • @miketreker944
    @miketreker944 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    He is much appreciated, not particularly by the western reductionist, devout followers of the materialism mechanistic gospels. I empathize for them as their purposeless universe disintegrates.

  • @ashleythor1803
    @ashleythor1803 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Amazing and insightful discussion the world needs more people like Rupert Sheldrake,

  • @mrreemann3739
    @mrreemann3739 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    At 36:29 Rupert describes similarities between sports and meditation where "the flow" is achieved. Basically when you're in your groove and don't need to think about what you are doing because of the high level of skill attained. I've definitely experienced this as a musician as well. Especially when jamming (improvising) with other musicians or playing along with records and do whatever I feel without consciously thinking about it.

    • @f.g00gle44
      @f.g00gle44 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      an important aspect being; you probably need to have mastery over that skill in order to achieve the flow state

    • @blauwzakjecrack
      @blauwzakjecrack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      test being done on brain activity on footballers reacting to the ball show that the more skilled the player the less brain activity is necessary for them to preform the re-action to play the ball. also implying that its is some sort of learned intuition.
      What makes sense because footballers dont have the time to process all the possibility`s and possible outcomes of their play. On the otherhand,untrained people wont be able to perform these actions with succes with simular or more or less brain activity.

  • @rblibit
    @rblibit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Those who have been on the other side of the veil know that we came from that side as beings who already existed, and we will return upon the death of this temporary avatar, the human form. They also know that the other side is more real than THIS side... The Creator exists.

  • @0321ReconMan
    @0321ReconMan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy is awesome. Explains why I love going so fast on my bikes and surfing any day there is a good wave!

  • @Jimyblues
    @Jimyblues 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    This man is a model of what scientists should be- instead he's vilified and dismissed showing the closed minds of scientists same as the closed minds of most of the religious- I'm a jazz piano player and i can vouch for morphic resonance from experiencing it on stage- tapping into consciousness beyond the braiin- when you're playing you aren't thinking so where are the notes coming from?

    • @simplerick3851
      @simplerick3851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @ACO 3000 hate much?

    • @adrianobulla7875
      @adrianobulla7875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jimyblues We haven't moved much forward in terms of mindset since the times of Galileo, have we? Only once you needed to be a Bishop to refuse to watch through a telescope, now you just need a tenure in any subject....

    • @harishlathia9926
      @harishlathia9926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing input about about the Musical notes. Iam not a musician, but I wonder if Jazz has similiraties to Indian music?

    • @sanchalshrirame7168
      @sanchalshrirame7168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@harishlathia9926 Yes, Jazz was inspired by Ravi Shankar and Indian classical music's approach of improvisation... 😎

    • @TJ-kk5zf
      @TJ-kk5zf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well, thank the thick- headed materialist "neo-atheists" for that. now they're going after Peterson

  • @clmims100
    @clmims100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I have seen Auras all my life, my Mother finally admitted she had that “gift”. This gift can be a curse in a crowd. I have felt the life force I all things, even in real works of art, one can feel the emotion instilled in the piece. I have openly questioned some masterpieces as fakes, if no real emotion can be felt. As a finance manager, I could get the story of all people I saw and I could get many financed. The down side, I could feel the anxiety of of individuals in crowds.

    • @theinkbrain
      @theinkbrain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @ Charles Mims How remarkable Charles! I immediately wondered what you would see/feel/perceive if you looked at the Helga paintings of Andrew Wyeth, or any painting by Hopper. Even ordinary people can feel the powerful 'vibe' in these works, but you might sense so much more.

    • @simplerick3851
      @simplerick3851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theinkbrainThats very cool! I am an artist (emotionally driven) Mostly abstract vivid contrasting colors and flowing lines all done by feeling... I was very clairvoyant. I could find things for people, knew when things would happen, could tell when people lied and could figure out people's true motives easily.
      Then i dated this girl for ten years who would manipulate my gift so badly it totally screwed up my calibration. I would believe her and stopped trusting my intuition. It got to the point where it broke me mentally and trashed my self esteem. #PsychicVampireSuccubus

    • @sashasasha9598
      @sashasasha9598 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, very interesting, especialy what you said about art!

  • @harishlathia9926
    @harishlathia9926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A beautiful discussion which has embraced my self (consciousness), perhaps the only part of US that is permanent and interlinked to all others and the universe. I really like thae view that we are a part of nature, as opposed to it's masters. I dare say I am a Hindu in the West and I feel this discussion makes me feel comfortable, particularly as the interviewer is from the next generation. Please keep up the great work.

  • @simontemplarGB
    @simontemplarGB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just listen to HOW he talks and you can tell he is connected with something clear and calm.

    • @betacam235
      @betacam235 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Entheogens seem to enhance eloquence (and give you more to talk about, the otherwise unvisited knowledge) ....I mean, this is someone who has been there with Terence McKenna, Gnostic Saint!

  • @coryc.1434
    @coryc.1434 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Wow! I so enjoyed what Rupert had to say. My favorite of your videos so far.

    • @kevin_global
      @kevin_global 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I really enjoyed what Rupert had to say also.

  • @austindeeter321
    @austindeeter321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Rupert is very eloquent.

  • @BRKJNH1929238
    @BRKJNH1929238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is a really great discussion. Talking about the consciousness of planets, astrology is based on the idea that planets have consciousness and influence events. And this work of using scientific methods to demonstrate the positive effects of spiritual practices is also a great way of getting people to look at these questions more openly.

  • @user-fq1fb9zn6g
    @user-fq1fb9zn6g 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This man is a great hero of mine. He and Jung have influenced my scientific career in ways that can’t be understated.

  • @bajajones5093
    @bajajones5093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    excellent interview. the interviewer has a good style and is able to listen. this was MUCH APPRECIATED. I am looking forward to your content.

    • @LukeRobertMason
      @LukeRobertMason 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate your comment. The key to being a moderator is to be 'moderate'... ;)

  • @onenessseeker5683
    @onenessseeker5683 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I take a look around it's very clear to me that this whole world is a living intelligence.

  • @retribution999
    @retribution999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the world threw the baby out with the bath water when it became scientific. Time to bring the baby back. Great talk!

  • @Hologhoul
    @Hologhoul 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A fascinating, charming and uniquely intelligent and thoughtful individual.

  • @thefullmonte1902
    @thefullmonte1902 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best explanation of consciousness is probably in the Seth Material.

    • @spiritualanarchist8162
      @spiritualanarchist8162 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought so in the 70thies. Reading it now It still has debt, but I notice how he never predicted something sientific. (like say, the explanding of the universe ) lso for a ancient ubersoul, Seth could have (for example) told everyone to stop moking, ( instead he even had smoking breaks'..;)

  • @galacticmaya73
    @galacticmaya73 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Sheldrake speaks truth.

  • @Raina430
    @Raina430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very uplifting. 💗🌟🌺👍

  • @hansalef5640
    @hansalef5640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At about 26:42 he talks about a depressing world view and all the depressed people in our culture. So he is much more effective than most psychotherapist with his suggestion. Wow !!

  • @porkylongpig5282
    @porkylongpig5282 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is what a genius sounds like.

  • @dannymathis7275
    @dannymathis7275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! Thank you! It left me with this question. Could a device be invented to measure the wave field of vision intention?

  • @observer2333
    @observer2333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Krisha said, You cant go back to past to change, you cant see or build future now, so is easy to be in bliss is to remain in present moment, and that’s all we have.

  • @hsitasamrahs2301
    @hsitasamrahs2301 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent... thanks 🙏

  • @clarekuehn4372
    @clarekuehn4372 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One field further: further afield! 😂🤣 Great.

  • @ilikehumans1096
    @ilikehumans1096 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great interview!

  • @mjshaikh86
    @mjshaikh86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    he is so eloquent

  • @howelltaylor6774
    @howelltaylor6774 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Dark ages were not very dark. The people of medieval Europe were much wiser then we take them for. The age of enlightenment was anything but enlightened. The Crusades were a reaction to massive islamic invasion not the other way around. God bless Mr Sheldrake. Deo Vindice

  • @ashleythor1803
    @ashleythor1803 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    good talk Rupert the Richard

  • @bealtainecottage
    @bealtainecottage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mother Earth 🌏 is alive and in communication with us, but we stubbornly refuse to listen...as a result we have become a danger to ourselves and all sentient beings.

  • @marijkevandermeer2772
    @marijkevandermeer2772 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Universe is intelligent...

  • @timd8912
    @timd8912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If the first guy never talks again i am ok with that.....

  • @MortenBendiksen
    @MortenBendiksen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the brain is a lens. It focuses consciousness from past, present and future of the spaces it inhabits, into the spot that is your body. And the earth and the stars and the brain is itself a consequence of that universal consciousness focusing, materialising.

  • @GroovismOrg
    @GroovismOrg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Instinct = morphic resonance?

  • @simplerick3851
    @simplerick3851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Rupert looks like James Bond's dad

  • @thiagolima7418
    @thiagolima7418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very very good

  • @TJ-kk5zf
    @TJ-kk5zf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    48:45 he's wrong. dogs "tell time" by diminishing smell.

  • @vagizz
    @vagizz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wimhof method is some sort of mind bending technique and it has a simple shortcut to get to that hightened state of mind that a long practice of yoga can get you to.

    • @baasbassinnababylonrobert-9963
      @baasbassinnababylonrobert-9963 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      one of the man who actualy "see s"the fine world we (could?)live in...
      Love from the Netherlands1

  • @truBador2
    @truBador2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sheldrake? Immediate like.

  • @mortalclown3812
    @mortalclown3812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of those rare people who makes me wish cloning occurred.

  • @dertiger1
    @dertiger1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    👏👏👏

  • @justicerangarajan7584
    @justicerangarajan7584 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Intention can perhaps be compared to the Hindu concept of Sankalpam
    सङ्कल्प - Samkalpa - is a Sanskrit word meaning a resolution; a free will or a determination. The word Sankalpa itself means good intention, an oath or a resolution to do something, a solemn pledge to do something good.All Yagnas and worships are accomplished after taking a vow for its performance. Sankalpa is nothing but an expression of feeling which the Saadhaka (doer) has for accomplishment of a Saadhana (task). By making a pledge a person becomes committed towards the accomplishment of his goal. Taking sankalpa as also oath means becoming committed to something and making Paramatma /Ista-Devata witness of it.
    Samkalpa or will and its purpose is discussed in Chandogya Upanishad - Adhyaya 8 - Kanda 4.
    संकल्पो वाव मनसो भूयान्यदा वै संकल्पततेऽथ मनस्यत्यथं वाचमीरयति तामु नाम्नीरयति नाम्नि मन्त्रा एकं भवन्ति मन्त्रेषु कर्माणि ||१||
    Will is greater than the mind.For one wills ,then he reflects , then he utters speech , and then he utters it in Name. In the Name the mantras become one ; and in the mantras sacrifice become one.
    The examples of the power of the will (Samkalpa) are given in next mantra.
    तानि ह वा एतानि संकल्पैकायनानि संकल्पात्मकानि संकल्पे प्रतिष्ठितानि संकृप्तां द्यवापृथिवि संकल्पेतां वायुश्र्चाssका शं च संकल्पन्तां ssपश्र्च तेजश्र्च तेषां संकृप्तयै वर्ष संकल्पते वर्षस्य संकृप्त्या अन्न. ....||2|
    The Heaven earth willed ; the air and Akasha willed ; the water and fire willed. Through will of these , Rain wills ; through the will of Rain food wills ; through the will of the food the Breath wills.through the will of breath Mantra wil; Through the will of Mantra sacrifice will.Through the will of sacrifice the world wills through the will of the world , all things will , this is will meditate upon will .

  • @KB-uv7wj
    @KB-uv7wj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JS Bach, A Well Tempered Clavier. Ohm, Ohm, Ohm.....

  • @jasminejones9937
    @jasminejones9937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This man is like the new Alan Watts

  • @terrencekane8203
    @terrencekane8203 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sheldrake is brilliant. To think that in the vastness of the universe the only conscious beings are humans is just silly.

  • @Techadopter
    @Techadopter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d love to ask Rupert and his ilk who exactly got those kids out of that submerged cave in Thailand a few years ago?
    Was it those pragmatic divers or the spiritual monks waving fishing nets at the mountain goddess whom they believed trapped the kids on purpose….when actually they became trapped because of an oversight when it rained a lot making the entrance submerged.

    • @Zackmo92
      @Zackmo92 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "we can't expect god to do all the work"

    • @mkor7
      @mkor7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good grief, Sheldrake never implied anything of the sort as suggested in your comment. You're obviously one of the closed minded logical positivists he speaks of.

  • @carenkurdjinian5413
    @carenkurdjinian5413 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Future could be very interesting if be naturally creative ….…. 🌞

  • @rrosaseconda
    @rrosaseconda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In a late study Darwin concluded from lengthy observations that worms had minds.

  • @caroledrury1411
    @caroledrury1411 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow

  • @gadfly1357
    @gadfly1357 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Collective consciousness = Ergo putamus sumus (we think therefore we are)...

  • @johnlowe3050
    @johnlowe3050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Of course the cosmos is intergrated...how can apart of it ie the mind be seperate.that would be odd a seperate human mind and kind of ridiculous. It is one.

  • @richardhall5489
    @richardhall5489 ปีที่แล้ว

    At around 6 minutes Rupert comments on the lack of funding for research into complimentary medicine. That reminded me of this BBC documentary that concludes with an interesting experiment focused on a single acupuncture point with the patient's reaction recorded on MRI brain scans.
    th-cam.com/video/D53UwyJWa3w/w-d-xo.html

  • @justicerangarajan7584
    @justicerangarajan7584 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also got this reference to intention: facebook.com/carlipamplindreamcoach/photos/a.104961339958513/501917063596270/?type=1&theater

  • @ingenuity168
    @ingenuity168 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scientists should be more open minded.
    Very true about sports.
    Does Rupert have Lupus?

  • @Kfns4
    @Kfns4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    especially dedicated to the scientific snail I ''ll meet next week in the disastrous capital of Germany

  • @observer2333
    @observer2333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what you don’t see is real and what you see is not real

  • @kaizermtz799
    @kaizermtz799 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    🤯

  • @count-robo
    @count-robo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    graham hancock

  • @GeoCoppens
    @GeoCoppens 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "To go beyond is to move into a higher state of consciousness, to a place of bliss, greater understanding, love, and deep connectedness, a realm where we finally find life's meaning - experiences for which all spiritual seekers seek."
    How much loony stuff can you take???

  • @Techadopter
    @Techadopter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve watched a number of his talks and can’t think of a single example that’s he’s backed up with any evidence. Footballers are telepathic, good grief. They play within the boundaries of a pitch knowing the rules and having practiced repetitively, I would suggest it’s just where the team player is likely to be based on probability.
    Just like the assertion dogs can hear their owners car from across the city because the dog knows they just made a conscious decision to come home. Waffle: dogs are creatures of habit that default to routine, it’s why you can train them with food.
    As for his belief all matter is conscious except when it’s asleep…fancy offering any evidence instead of attempting to take us back to the dark ages?

    • @mkor7
      @mkor7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your comment betrays the fact that you've never played any sport skillfully or haven't seriously listened to this interview.

    • @sasank6400
      @sasank6400 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, if you're genuinely interested in evidence then Rupert has written about 90 scientific papers. He has published data and evidence, all of which can be found in his website.
      He has described about his experiments in a lot of talks, If you have really watched his lectures as you claim. There is even a documentary about his experiments.
      You might as well want to check out Russel Targ and Dean Radin, again only of you're genuinely interested and not a troll.

    • @johnborstlap5497
      @johnborstlap5497 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There has been a dog experiment, carried-out according to the scientific method, which proves that a dog can 'feel' when its owner decides on the spot to come home, on a non-routine time, from unknow location, in a car which is not the owner's. So, the idea of telepathy in dogs is shown to be a real thing. th-cam.com/video/aA5wAm2c01w/w-d-xo.html

  • @bruceatkins2502
    @bruceatkins2502 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the heck!? Everytime I click a video he's repeating himself literally word for word. Like he was giving a script and rehearsed it in front of the mirror a thousand times. Does he have any new evidence or material before I waste my time

    • @theeskimo4740
      @theeskimo4740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The interviewer asked overly specific guided questions, causing Rupert to have to give very specific answers. At times, he even offered an answer to his own question before a response could be given. The interviewer also displayed a high level of narcissism (not saying that's bad, but certainly not conducive for an interview), so the answers he felt comfortable giving did not tend to stretch far outside what he's most publicly known for, likely as he didn't want to trigger the guy.

  • @37Dionysos
    @37Dionysos 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The entire universe is unconscious---except for us, or at least, except for the scientists who know that.

    • @projectmanager3562
      @projectmanager3562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Even the stone cries out, "I am!" Maimonides, 13th century

  • @kl.et.earth.com..1896
    @kl.et.earth.com..1896 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope all woukd be so called scientific thinker's take good notes of Rupert's keen intelligent approach towards actual rational investigation of otherwise logically neglected experiences, due to an apparent lack of interest in the true meanings of life according to those unfortunately held n high esteem by even less informed people arguing over the rights to sell everything we can bend up into more useless conveniences which in the light of a future without hope or even the most basic sustainability is now very obviously becoming a real bloody nuisance to everyone really concerned enough to care at all about our state of depreciation towards our own origins or where on earth we may be going n reality, I mean really people who are these clowns to say innocent inquiry is a waste of time, to which I can only say from who's point of view is someone else's time being wasted I have to say it's obviously about time us realistic thinking individuals not just simply ignore those determined killjoys but gave back all the negative disparaging vibes intended to stall progress in an attempt to control people's minds that really have nothing to do with inately disruptive influences historically profiting from the untold misery of millions manipulated by the ignorance of fear perpetuated by the parasitic egocentric nihilists attempting to further profit from the perpetuation of more misunderstanding banded about as new found scientific facts.
    I ask you do we really deserve to survive....?

    • @epistemologicaldespair68
      @epistemologicaldespair68 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Periods . brother , are extremely useful, there's some valid points here but there's never a break or pause. The syntax is very chaotic and hard to gather what you mean because the words are so jammed together , they choke themselves out that way in a text.

  • @kl.et.earth.com..1896
    @kl.et.earth.com..1896 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would apologize for my previous comments or even delete them but I strongly feel that some criticism is warranted towards us all collectively for being so stupid & easily led.
    So I will let it stand as a valid testimony to the frustration felt by a growing number of intelligent sensitive human beings that have had enough of listening to literally half witted logisticians self castrated from their own hearts and legally divorced from common sense for the purposes of increasingly short term reward.
    The living spirit is a free bird so perhaps sometimes when hands off gets continually ignored mabe fik orf ya bollicks is a valid response after all...
    Cannibalised legalism in its raw form may be distasteful but compared with war & legalised cannibalism don't you think it worth commenting now rather than let our preditory instincts finish us all off for the sake of saving face to a rapidly degenerating herd of indolent robotic mass produced dummies that wouldn't know what hit them anyway when the untimely time finally arrives according to mass hysterical rules to date the clock is still ticking strapped to our collective sociological time bomb.
    I think it's time to raise the alarm now & show that the inevitable is clearly what we all collectively decide anyway, it's that simple think about it before it's too late.
    Decide for yourself don't believe, KNOW SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF AT LEAST ONCE IN YOUR LIFE THINK FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE ITS ALWAYS TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOUR OWN MIND IF YOU DONT...
    Awareness is now not written on the back of a promisary note, how's that for reductionist thinking folk's boom boom oley