ATL got done dirty here, that video is supposed to make them look douchey as a joke. That was like half of their gimmick back then. Anyway, good vid! Definitely hoping for part 2
The hate for Enter Shikari really hurt. But I've loved them since I was 14 & I am 30 now haha so maybe that's why. But they are objectively great musicians.
They go hard with those electronic elements and they have been killing it lately. Been a fan of them for almost a decade now and the hate is unnecessary.
I didn’t discover them until a couple of years ago, so I’m not blinded by nostalgia and I think they’re great. Not that it really matters, but I think they came before both Attack Attack and I See Stars.
I’m still just flabbergasted that Woe is Me had 8 members. That’s EIGHT people that listened to the final version of their songs and said, “yep, that’s good.” 🤯
Enter Shikari straight into the S+ tier for sure. every album is different and they push the boundaries further with every album. yes in their early days their production was far from good but they have some great production these days and one of the most loyal fan bases around! Plus you brought up the demo version of the song for the audience to see and not the album version while the song wasn't finished.
Same, and yet I knew Finn would rate them shit. Apparently what clothes they wear is more important than being unique in the genre with different instruments 🙄
@@ErikJason_ I don’t know..I never got into Brandon’s vocals that much but I do respect that album. I always wondered how Craig would have sounded on that album
Enter Shikari’s “mothership” video/audio was from an early EP in 2005 before their first album in 07. They rereleased that song with the remastered audio. They deserve a bit more respect since they were doing this rave/hardcore sound earlier than the other bands like attack attack and I see stars. I’d check out “Destabilise” by them. I think their overall best song!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I mean, from just an archival standpoint, it's hecka cool lol Which btw, ty for putting me on GAB3 a handful of years back, one of my top 10 fave artists now lol He was so early in his respective scene and so FUCKING GOOOD
Every time you talk about Enter Shikari, you always just show the first songs. Their material now is leagues beyond what they were back in the scene days and it really shows. Obviously I don't care that you don't like them because I fucking love them, but I wish you would stop just summing it up as they suck because of their first album. "Nothing is True, and Everything is Possible" is so damn good, as well as "Flash Flood of Colour" and "Mindsweep" Also, there better be a Part 2 of this since I did not see any Pierce the Veil on here. We all know PTV was and is still one of the biggest scene bands to ever come out.
I'm scared to see where you'd rank bands like Alesana and Drop Dead Gorgeous now. Oh and the list definitely needs more bree bree. No scene band tier list is complete without Brokencyde
@@rickydornberger4771 yeah, honestly embarrassing tbh, so many incredible lyrics "MATE, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT?!!?", "IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR EVERYTHING", "well quelle fuckin surprise ", "countries are just lines drawn in the sand with a stick" neveind literally every word on arguing with thermometers
Bone Palace Ballet was one of my favorites as a neon band tee wearing scene kid but I have Alls Well That Ends Well in my car & it’s in regular rotation with DGD - Downtown Battle Mountain. The Words Best Friend Become Redefined & There’s No Penguins in Alaska are straight crack no one can tell me otherwise. I missed out on both of these albums as young buck but I can’t get enough of them nowadays.
Enter Shikari is a top 5 band for me. They have pretty great range and crush ballads, but still have energetic up tempo tracks, ie. The Void Stares Back. Finn, I would love to see a dedicated Enter Shikari video after you've done a deep dive and (hopefully) changed your mind. Great content as always.
About Enter Shikari's Mothership song, the music video is from the EP version of the song. When they released the first album (Take To The Skies), they re-released the song with better quality overall. Also, Rou Reynolds, improved a lot in his clean vocals and you can notice that in the following albums. I think they have a big fanbase because of 2 main reasons: Their live shows and the fact that they add influences from a lot of subgenres in their songs. For example, the first album is a lot post-hardcore however their third album has a lot of dubstep/DnB influences. Overall, they're a great band! :D
I saw Sleeping With Sirens in a tiny venue in Denver a month or so ago. Kellin's vocals live are actually amazing. Dude is an S tier vocalist for his style. In the world of scene bands I don't think it got bigger or more important than them. Also, really needed to include Pierce the Veil. Massively popular at one point, and still makes pretty ok stuff.
Def need a part 2. Need devil's wears Prada, a skylit drive, underoath, dance Gavin dance, I set my friends on fire, scary kids scaring kids, Saosin, and maybe chunk no captain chunk
What I enjoy most about this channel is that 1, you keep your opinions unfiltered, and 2, the comments share their opinions without throwing a fit if it is different than yours (mostly). Just good music conversations. Being said, here is my rating strictly just based on my own music taste… Woe is Me D, Sleeping With Sirens C, Attack Attack D, Chiodos A, Bless the Fall D, Millionaires F, Boys Like Girls B, Enter Shikari A, Breathe Carolina D, NeverShoutNever S, All Time Low B, The Summer Set D, Forever the Sickest Kids A, I See Stars D, Dot Dot Curve F
Finn I'm confused why you give Millionairez a pass when the Enter Shikari song you played was from like 2007 when they were p much kids too, they are pretty influential as far as the UK scene goes, highly recommend their album A Flash Flood Of Colour
@@icedcoffeedrink then why is so much music nowadays trying to replicate the UK punk, European disco, and alt rock/electronic? How many bands sound like Radiohead 20 years after Ok Computer and Kid A? Like I said, cringe take.
@@icedcoffeedrink even if we take this into completely modern standards, the UK drill scene has been hugely influential to hip hop over the past few years, pop smoke bringing it to New York was a huge moment for that scene, it's a really cringe take and requires no thought whatsoever, just agreeing with the author for a pat on the back
Damn man - rating Enter Shikari on a 2006 EP version of a song they recorded when they were like 16? You really need to give them an actual listen - one of the most interesting bands out there. They're always mixing genres and changing their sound. In the UK alt scene, I'd argue they're just as big as BMTH.
And that first album is a 👏 mother 👏 fucking 👏 masterpiece. Like wtf Mothership sounds INSANE on the studio album. The demo is fucking incredible if you listen to it in the context of a bunch of teens blasting out a better song than most modern metal music, and hearing how they progressed with their sound. I thought that's how everyone treated the history of music, but I guess not, lol. I don't understand the hate for Enter Shikari at all. But I haven't been good at trusting BMTH fans, cause they always seem childish AF 🤣🤣
He showed his fucking ignorance towards the band in other videos. In my opinion, he somehow dislikes them being from Europe. Obviously didn't even check all their works in time and now reviews it as 'scene' band while they were always on their own
Will forever bum me out that one of my favorite music channels to watch shits on Shikari whenever they are brought up. You like what you like though, so I get it. Keep up the good work, Finn!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA It's the nerd factor honestly. Late-career Enter Shikari has a very sci-fi feel and plenty of r/iamverysmart sounding lyrics. (Sometimes they're actually pretty brilliant, but just as often they're empty and pretentious.) And we all know how butthurt nerds can be when you don't like their favorite things.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I think part of it is nostalgia. Their first album dropped in 07 so anybody who has been listening to them since then will start grabbing pitchforks whenever someone else doesn't like them. Definitely not a band for everyone but I will say the live shows are a blast
@@kylehale1688 definitely not. Each of their album is outstanding and bring something new but also holds connection with previous works. Fresh fans are brought in with every release and collab so new auditory nowadays may not even know from where it all started. The reason for such strong defense from fanbase is just because the band does each step in art/communication/commerce absolutely right
I like Enter Shikari, I'm not a huge stan or anything, but it really does seem unfair to play an actual demo version of a song instead of the album version and then for the drip critique pick a picture of them ten years after the scene movement was over lol, they never had a chance here
Enter Shikari might be the least consistent band I can think of, but when they’re good they are GOOD. Rat Race is probably the best electronicore song I’ve ever heard.
Never forget that Boys Like Girls were able to get a Taylor Swift feature on just their second album. That’s how big this kind of music was at the time. Edit: surprised you didn’t mention blood on the dance floor. They needed their own category below F tier
Hold the phone. Finn how’re you going to say I See Stars pioneered their sound when Enter Shikari has been around for way longer and are the true pioneers of that sound????? I am offended
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA It's not the fans being rough when they correct you when you don't have the facts straight. It's ok that you don't like them because it's not your taste or whatever. But please don't talk bs about them based on one of their first demo song of them from 17 years ago.
Still listen to Digital Renegade and Attack Attack's first album, no cap they're hood classics. And also anyone remember Destroy Rebuild Until God Shows? They were really good.
It's funny that emo, screamo, post-hardcore, electronicore, myspace metalcore/deathcore kids all pretty much had the same drip back then. The flat-ironed hair to one side, the slim-fit t-shirts and skinny jeans, studded belts and all the million different accessories, the cut off slim fit shorts, vans/converse, etc. What a time.. I liked more of the heavier shit but def got into some peak emo-scene bands.. Underoath, Pierce The Veil, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, Isles & Glaciers, Saosin, Circa Survive, Scaring Kids Scaring Kids, etc.
Glad Evansville, Indiana scene got some love! Some of the best memories of the late 2000s were going to Boney Junes music venue. There was always great local music, but getting to see WCAR, Emarosa, For Today, and others before they got bigger was amazing to see.
I think it’d be cool if Finn did a deeper dive, if not a short vid on this channel, of Enter Shikari. Their older stuff is rough at times, but they’re are not as bad as he says they are. Common Dreads, Flash Flood Of Color, and Mindsweep are great albums
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA They may be my favourite band but absolutely agree about the fans, absolute nightmare 100% and even though you're playing them at their worst for sure, doesn't mean I think you'd like the rest of their music except for maybe the album the spark
I actually love Chiodos Alls Wells that Ends well. It’s a great album for what it is. The tracks never followed a specific format until later on I liked guitar work too. I’m definitely a chiodos stan for AWTEW album lol
"Nobody in this band weighs over like 110lbs" I nominate this quote for funniest Finn comment of 2022 LMFAOOOO. I didn't even realize it until you made this comment but that was totally a thing wasn't it?!?? I'm pretty sure Vic Fuentes (PTV) is STILL 110lbs 🤣
The 3 bands I like on here the most musically is Breathe Carolina, Boys like girls and Enter Shikari. Unfortunately you were too tough on them especially Enter Shikari. I recommend giving them another closer look if you wished.
Blessthefal “Hollow bodies” is one of the best metalcore albums of all time and the billboard rankings shows it. Mediocre band but they nailed it on that album
Their last album Hard Feelings was also a solid album. Not as heavy, but a perfect album for a late night drive. One of my favorite albums with no skips at all. Shame they haven't done anything since then.
I feel like you missed a lot of the really obvious ones from the early scene years and focused on a lot of the poppier stuff from the later years... Saosin, The Used, From First To Last, Hawthorne Heights, Story of the Year, Senses Fail, Silverstein, Drop Dead, Gorgeous, Alesana, Underoath, The Devil Wears Prada, Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Circa Survive, Emery, Dance Gavin Dance, A.F.I., etc.
Not sure a lot of those actually fit scene bands. They're more the precursor to the scene and probably fit better into a separate category. Only ones I would include from your list is Alesana, DDG, DGD, and maybe/ probably Prada.
Hey Finn...got on Craigslist (in Louisville) and there's a limp bizkit cover band called bimp lizkit, looking for their wes borland....thought you might wanna check it out lmfao. They're outta Dayton so maybe try that cl too.
Breathe Carolina is really the only remnant of my scene days that I still regularly listen to. Their first album It's Classy, Not Classic is one of my favorite albums ever, to this day. It blended atmospheric trance, pop, and screaming in a way that I still haven't heard anyone come close to (despite still desperately looking for, please let me know if you know of anything). Hello Fascination was a good sweet spot between the neon pop stuff and post hardcore and most of the album was super catchy IMO. Hell is What You Make It was decent, they started to really lean into the whole party/pop side of their music. Then Kyle left the band and I just didn't care for anything afterward, and could care less about their DJ stuff honestly. I'm still dying for something like their debut album though.
Oh boy you need to be learnt on Enter Shikari's music that came after.... showing their most rough and earliest live stuff lmao...shame. You need to check out their album A Flash Flood of Colour.
For a scene list i feel like you missed some big players. Pierce the veil, of mice and men, we came as romans, bmth, asking Alexandria. Also I've heard more about dot dot curve just by watching a few videos of yours than I have in my entire life.
I graduated highschool in 2010 in a city 30 minutes south of Evansville, IN. I grew up playing in all those scene synth bands at Boney Junes and The Brothers Pizza in my hometown Owensboro, KY. The scene we had for those few years was absolutely crazy if you were a scene kid. We had hordes of neon kids overrunning the malls and those local venues. Looking back it seems so cringe but holy fk were those some amazing times. Thanks for the nostalgia Finn!!
That Millonaires music video looks like those videos my older cousin Alexandra and her friends used to record for their Facebook profiles back in 2010 lol
I feel like a part of the reason I loved the raw out of tune screamo garbage that had some synth was the same reason I liked dubstep when it first emerged, it’s just different and new and exciting. Looking back though ..😬
Loved Chiodos as a teen because that was my intro to extreme heavy music. As an adult I really appreciate the way they were able to insert grindcore elements into their music that were not just palatable, but catchy. I can’t think of a band than other than The Number Twelve who made catchy music with a grindcore toolset
I think it’s a result of being a rural Michigan band. We’ve always had a vibrant noise scene and an early 2000’s grind scene with bands like Kissyface Fashion Faux-Pas. Michigan is a breeding ground for extreme music coming out of moist basements.
Last two albums of Enter Shikari are actually really great. They get out from the scene, screamy something music, and it was a brilliant move from them. Love those two latest albums.
I’m sure i’m biased towards Enter Shikari because i’m English, but Take To The Skies is a bloody banger of an album. I agree the clip in this video of Mothership isn’t amazing, but a number of songs on that album like Labyrinth and Johnny Sniper are objectively good songs. I saw them a few times between 2007 and 2009 and the energy and intensity of their live performances was really something to behold!
Idc dude I'm almost 30 and take to the skies is still one of my favorite albums. It's objectively rough but they have a sound that I haven't heard anyone else come close to replicating since.
Damn, this makes me feel old. When I was a teenager, I listened to so much of this stuff. I also listened to a lot of Nu Metal and Post Grunge, but seeing the scene stuff age just hits differently. Btw, I still love End of the World Party to this day. I don't really come back to much from this era, but that album (along with a few others) is really something special.
This is why I love music, for me, the 2 best bands on this video are at the bottom of the grid, Enter Shikari are one of my favourite bands, and I LOVE their older stuff, and I even have the band's logo tattooed on me, they've evolved massively and become one of the best live bands in the world, and their albums never disappoint, and have moved away from that old scene sound to become one of the cleanest and best produced band in the world lol and I really like Chiodos, their song The Undertakers Thirst Is Unquenchable is always played at my local rock venue haha
How you gonna use my man JJ Demon in the first picture in this video and not even rank his scene era of music? Lol, so funny seein him like that. Good shit man!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA yeah! That was him lol. Just oozing scene vibes haha. One of the only good scene rappers back then though. Always fun to see him out in the wild so to speak 😛
I used to love the album His Last Walk so much but the following albums are better for sure. Blessthefall and I See Stars were the only bands on this list that I actually listened to. I had a major I See Stars obsession not that long ago... 😂
This was so ridiculously entertaining. Thank you so much for making this tier list! Super nostalgic. I hope you do more of these in the future. There are tons of cringy groups/people from that era to rank.
Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty
ATL got done dirty here, that video is supposed to make them look douchey as a joke. That was like half of their gimmick back then.
Anyway, good vid! Definitely hoping for part 2
do a power metal tier list that would be fun. hand grabs, suns and all the aesthetics
Enter Shikari fans are out for blood now🩸 you summoned them lol 😂
@@Quikkz_Haste yes. They did have a few songs that bloow up. And the interesting thing is skater guys like them 2
When are you going to make a video about the band Broadway?
Chiodos in the F tier hurt my old man scene kid heart.
The 12 year old in me is big mad
Yeah by far the worse call on that list.
Oh that breaks my heart 😂
The hate for Enter Shikari really hurt. But I've loved them since I was 14 & I am 30 now haha so maybe that's why. But they are objectively great musicians.
I'm afraid he's ignorant to the vast majority of their music, they're incredible
They go hard with those electronic elements and they have been killing it lately. Been a fan of them for almost a decade now and the hate is unnecessary.
Thank God. I mean people like what they like just his take seemed out of touch a bit haha.
I didn’t discover them until a couple of years ago, so I’m not blinded by nostalgia and I think they’re great. Not that it really matters, but I think they came before both Attack Attack and I See Stars.
I agree I love them.
I’m still just flabbergasted that Woe is Me had 8 members. That’s EIGHT people that listened to the final version of their songs and said, “yep, that’s good.” 🤯
*7 members
@@dennisfarina9806 does that really make it any better
@@MikeHoncho610 No, I'm just correcting you...
Excellent name
first album was amazing
Finn validating Attack Attack! with the S tier is the approval I never got from my father
Attack Attack are the scene goats
Your Dad's favorite band was Bon Jobi
This comment is everything to me.
Explains the pfp LOL jk
Attack attack brought us the wackiness
Enter Shikari straight into the S+ tier for sure. every album is different and they push the boundaries further with every album. yes in their early days their production was far from good but they have some great production these days and one of the most loyal fan bases around!
Plus you brought up the demo version of the song for the audience to see and not the album version while the song wasn't finished.
I just played what they put on youtube. Don’t blame me
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA yeah no blame what so ever. It is a bit odd that the demo is on TH-cam and the finished piece isnt.
anyone love the videos man
They have that one good song lol
Take To The Skies is a f***ing classic
hard facts
Huge fan of chiodos. I always feel they had a different vibe back then with utilizing their piano more
He Merced em lol
Same, and yet I knew Finn would rate them shit. Apparently what clothes they wear is more important than being unique in the genre with different instruments 🙄
look how they massacred my boy
Chiodos with Brandon as the lead singer > everything they did Craig. Facts.
@@ErikJason_ I don’t know..I never got into Brandon’s vocals that much but I do respect that album. I always wondered how Craig would have sounded on that album
A scene band tier list without Bring Me The Horizon is unthinkable
What? They’re a -core band and only added “scene” stuff long after scene music was dead.
They only had the scene vibes during the Count Your Blessings and Suicide Season days. Nothing beyond that.
I'm more surprised there was no Alesana
Totally agree. BMTH & Asking Alexandria are by far the most well known scene bands from that period.
tbf i feel like they've definitely outgrown the scene at this point
Chiodos is what got me into scene culture back in 2008 😅 I respect your opinion as always, but I stan chiodos 😔✊🏻
That one DRUGS album was way better than anything he done in Chiodos anyway 🤷
@@keyser2379 D.R.U.G.S was actually amazing and still is. That one album is crazy good
@@keyser2379 I gotta agree. That shit was hyped af back in 2010
chiodos forever man so good
@@keyser2379 both of them, Chiodos is at least C tier though they have some real gems
FTSK Underdog Alma Mater is such a masterpiece. It’s on my list of un-skippable albums. Finn is a man of culture
Enter Shikari’s “mothership” video/audio was from an early EP in 2005 before their first album in 07. They rereleased that song with the remastered audio. They deserve a bit more respect since they were doing this rave/hardcore sound earlier than the other bands like attack attack and I see stars. I’d check out “Destabilise” by them. I think their overall best song!
Why is it important who did it first?
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA influence! 😄
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA great video though, love to binge your stuff. Had to comment for my boys
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I mean, from just an archival standpoint, it's hecka cool lol Which btw, ty for putting me on GAB3 a handful of years back, one of my top 10 fave artists now lol He was so early in his respective scene and so FUCKING GOOOD
Every time you talk about Enter Shikari, you always just show the first songs. Their material now is leagues beyond what they were back in the scene days and it really shows. Obviously I don't care that you don't like them because I fucking love them, but I wish you would stop just summing it up as they suck because of their first album. "Nothing is True, and Everything is Possible" is so damn good, as well as "Flash Flood of Colour" and "Mindsweep"
Also, there better be a Part 2 of this since I did not see any Pierce the Veil on here. We all know PTV was and is still one of the biggest scene bands to ever come out.
couldn't have summed in up better myself. amazing albums and and even better live show
They're FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE LIVE
I’m pretty sure Finn never listened to the first album. Take To The Skies is a f***ing classic and way better than Attack Attack
he does that with a lot of bands, might be on purpose, but might just be laziness.
@@foodlord1 I noticed I think more and more people are beginning to criticize him more and he can't always take it
I'm scared to see where you'd rank bands like Alesana and Drop Dead Gorgeous now.
Oh and the list definitely needs more bree bree. No scene band tier list is complete without Brokencyde
I saw Drop Dead, Gorgeous on tour with blessthefall and Greeley Estates. it was a really fun show. I still listen to them. In Vogue is a dope album
Alesana is perfect but I bet he would hate dennis’ harsh vocals
Enter Shikari in F tier is reprehensible
Their first 4 albums are slappers non stop
Flash Flood and The Mindsweep are unimpeachable
They’ve really have only gotten better with each album. Honestly TTTS is not a great representation of their overall sound.
I agree
They are one of my favorite bands I don't even thing their early stuff aged all that well but F tier is absurd.
@@rickydornberger4771 yeah, honestly embarrassing tbh, so many incredible lyrics "MATE, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT?!!?", "IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR EVERYTHING", "well quelle fuckin surprise ", "countries are just lines drawn in the sand with a stick" neveind literally every word on arguing with thermometers
Chiodos’ Bone Palace was a great album. Their early shit was sloppy af but the heavy shit still bopped
Yeah that one slaps
Bone Palace Ballet was one of my favorites as a neon band tee wearing scene kid but I have Alls Well That Ends Well in my car & it’s in regular rotation with DGD - Downtown Battle Mountain. The Words Best Friend Become Redefined & There’s No Penguins in Alaska are straight crack no one can tell me otherwise. I missed out on both of these albums as young buck but I can’t get enough of them nowadays.
No, no it wasn’t.
@@MikeHoncho610 ehhh opinions ya know?
@@Heksensang I can’t really listen to that first album. But Penguins goes harddd
Enter Shikari is a top 5 band for me. They have pretty great range and crush ballads, but still have energetic up tempo tracks, ie. The Void Stares Back. Finn, I would love to see a dedicated Enter Shikari video after you've done a deep dive and (hopefully) changed your mind. Great content as always.
My second fav band of all time :')
“I heard it in a shoe store once” and “even in his mugshot he had cool hair” totally capture this era of music
About Enter Shikari's Mothership song, the music video is from the EP version of the song. When they released the first album (Take To The Skies), they re-released the song with better quality overall. Also, Rou Reynolds, improved a lot in his clean vocals and you can notice that in the following albums. I think they have a big fanbase because of 2 main reasons: Their live shows and the fact that they add influences from a lot of subgenres in their songs. For example, the first album is a lot post-hardcore however their third album has a lot of dubstep/DnB influences. Overall, they're a great band! :D
Totally, that updated version of Mothership fucking rips
@@mcfleury Yeah the 1st album version is like 1000x times better than the EP version. The thing is, the EP has the music video so there's that
He knows this, he's done this many times, people comment the same things every time. He reads every comment. You took the bait hook, line and sinker.
@ジ lol what
@@murrayisarobotI would rather skin myself alive than listen to enter shikari
Everyone knows that scene music is the pinnacle of human achievement
This but unironically
Said no one ever!
Duh lol
@@BigOwl51 this but ironically
I saw Sleeping With Sirens in a tiny venue in Denver a month or so ago. Kellin's vocals live are actually amazing. Dude is an S tier vocalist for his style. In the world of scene bands I don't think it got bigger or more important than them.
Also, really needed to include Pierce the Veil. Massively popular at one point, and still makes pretty ok stuff.
Enter Shikari is the reason why you've got bands like Attack Attack and I See Stars. The hate for Shikari is cruel and unreasonable.
Same with chiodos, big agree
yuuup, both them and Chiodos laid the ground work so these other bands could exist tbf
They have one good song I listened to their other shit, and mothership is the best song they got maybe it’s the accent for me
@@L33TZERRou doesnt help himself by overdoing his accent in all their songs.
@@ChristopherJames1993 man sings in his accent... ^ this guy: stop that
Def need a part 2. Need devil's wears Prada, a skylit drive, underoath, dance Gavin dance, I set my friends on fire, scary kids scaring kids, Saosin, and maybe chunk no captain chunk
Blood on the dancefloor and skip the foreplay
What I enjoy most about this channel is that 1, you keep your opinions unfiltered, and 2, the comments share their opinions without throwing a fit if it is different than yours (mostly). Just good music conversations.
Being said, here is my rating strictly just based on my own music taste… Woe is Me D, Sleeping With Sirens C, Attack Attack D, Chiodos A, Bless the Fall D, Millionaires F, Boys Like Girls B, Enter Shikari A, Breathe Carolina D, NeverShoutNever S, All Time Low B, The Summer Set D, Forever the Sickest Kids A, I See Stars D, Dot Dot Curve F
Enter Shikari was doing the synth sound before attack attack and i see stars. Devin Oliver of ISS said they were sound inspired by Shikari!
RIGHT! I thought I knew this, but wasn't sure if I made it up....
@@crmn182 spot on.
Finn I'm confused why you give Millionairez a pass when the Enter Shikari song you played was from like 2007 when they were p much kids too, they are pretty influential as far as the UK scene goes, highly recommend their album A Flash Flood Of Colour
UK scene is irrelevant
@@icedcoffeedrink cringe take
@@alexandermoshenko4416 sorry Alex, European music is cringe
@@icedcoffeedrink then why is so much music nowadays trying to replicate the UK punk, European disco, and alt rock/electronic? How many bands sound like Radiohead 20 years after Ok Computer and Kid A? Like I said, cringe take.
@@icedcoffeedrink even if we take this into completely modern standards, the UK drill scene has been hugely influential to hip hop over the past few years, pop smoke bringing it to New York was a huge moment for that scene, it's a really cringe take and requires no thought whatsoever, just agreeing with the author for a pat on the back
Damn man - rating Enter Shikari on a 2006 EP version of a song they recorded when they were like 16? You really need to give them an actual listen - one of the most interesting bands out there. They're always mixing genres and changing their sound. In the UK alt scene, I'd argue they're just as big as BMTH.
📣 say it again for the people in the back 📣
And that first album is a 👏 mother 👏 fucking 👏 masterpiece. Like wtf Mothership sounds INSANE on the studio album. The demo is fucking incredible if you listen to it in the context of a bunch of teens blasting out a better song than most modern metal music, and hearing how they progressed with their sound. I thought that's how everyone treated the history of music, but I guess not, lol. I don't understand the hate for Enter Shikari at all. But I haven't been good at trusting BMTH fans, cause they always seem childish AF 🤣🤣
He showed his fucking ignorance towards the band in other videos. In my opinion, he somehow dislikes them being from Europe. Obviously didn't even check all their works in time and now reviews it as 'scene' band while they were always on their own
Will forever bum me out that one of my favorite music channels to watch shits on Shikari whenever they are brought up. You like what you like though, so I get it. Keep up the good work, Finn!
Thanks! It's really interesting to me that Enter Shikari of all bands has such a punishing fanbase in 2022. Would have never seen that coming
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA It's the nerd factor honestly. Late-career Enter Shikari has a very sci-fi feel and plenty of r/iamverysmart sounding lyrics. (Sometimes they're actually pretty brilliant, but just as often they're empty and pretentious.) And we all know how butthurt nerds can be when you don't like their favorite things.
Huge here still in the UK. They played a MASSIVE influence in the scene
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I think part of it is nostalgia. Their first album dropped in 07 so anybody who has been listening to them since then will start grabbing pitchforks whenever someone else doesn't like them. Definitely not a band for everyone but I will say the live shows are a blast
@@kylehale1688 definitely not. Each of their album is outstanding and bring something new but also holds connection with previous works. Fresh fans are brought in with every release and collab so new auditory nowadays may not even know from where it all started. The reason for such strong defense from fanbase is just because the band does each step in art/communication/commerce absolutely right
We need vol 2. You need to rank bands like Brokencyde and the medic droid
I still pop on 'Fer Sure' every now and then, such a classic scene song
and dotdotcurve!
@@kylehale1688 I just relistened to that song after like 10-ish years and I instantly remembered it 😂😂
I think he ranked them on a Crunk core/ MySpace tier list alongside millionaires🤣
I like Enter Shikari, I'm not a huge stan or anything, but it really does seem unfair to play an actual demo version of a song instead of the album version and then for the drip critique pick a picture of them ten years after the scene movement was over lol, they never had a chance here
This is just for comedic purposes though
I totally agree! He always hates on them so badly
Yeah same with chiodos. He played one song and called them bad as a whole. Is that the joke or something?
Enter Shikari might be the least consistent band I can think of, but when they’re good they are GOOD. Rat Race is probably the best electronicore song I’ve ever heard.
Enter Shikari is a band that sounds significantly better live then they do on album.
Never forget that Boys Like Girls were able to get a Taylor Swift feature on just their second album. That’s how big this kind of music was at the time.
Edit: surprised you didn’t mention blood on the dance floor. They needed their own category below F tier
Hold the phone. Finn how’re you going to say I See Stars pioneered their sound when Enter Shikari has been around for way longer and are the true pioneers of that sound?????
I am offended
Shikari fans are rough stuff!!!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA It's not the fans being rough when they correct you when you don't have the facts straight. It's ok that you don't like them because it's not your taste or whatever. But please don't talk bs about them based on one of their first demo song of them from 17 years ago.
You've gotta do Black Veil Brides and Falling In Reverse (early)/ Escape The Fate!! The era where Ronnie looked like Joan Jett had kids going wild
Still listen to Digital Renegade and Attack Attack's first album, no cap they're hood classics.
And also anyone remember Destroy Rebuild Until God Shows? They were really good.
They actually just released a new album, haven't heard it myself yet but I assume it's solid
Destroy rebuild is back going strong
I love you Finn, But i can never agree with you about Enter Shikari!
It's funny that emo, screamo, post-hardcore, electronicore, myspace metalcore/deathcore kids all pretty much had the same drip back then. The flat-ironed hair to one side, the slim-fit t-shirts and skinny jeans, studded belts and all the million different accessories, the cut off slim fit shorts, vans/converse, etc. What a time.. I liked more of the heavier shit but def got into some peak emo-scene bands.. Underoath, Pierce The Veil, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, Isles & Glaciers, Saosin, Circa Survive, Scaring Kids Scaring Kids, etc.
Very well said right in the pocket
Glad Evansville, Indiana scene got some love! Some of the best memories of the late 2000s were going to Boney Junes music venue.
There was always great local music, but getting to see WCAR, Emarosa, For Today, and others before they got bigger was amazing to see.
The Attic in Dayton, OH had an awesome run as a venue also
Evansville 👑🙌🙌👑
I miss Boney Junes so much dude.
@@tylerelliott6774 me too! There was never any other venue in that area with as much impact.
@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 been to the attic a couple times! Sweet venue. Always good bands passing through there
That one DRUGS album was way better than anything he released with Chiodos imo
He actually just did a second drugs album in case you havent heard it yet
I think it’d be cool if Finn did a deeper dive, if not a short vid on this channel, of Enter Shikari. Their older stuff is rough at times, but they’re are not as bad as he says they are. Common Dreads, Flash Flood Of Color, and Mindsweep are great albums
Really underwhelming band across the board. Their fans are RABID!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA are they really? I don't interact, just listen so I didn't know that. shame
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA nahh, FFoC & Mindsweep definitely fuck
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA They may be my favourite band but absolutely agree about the fans, absolute nightmare 100% and even though you're playing them at their worst for sure, doesn't mean I think you'd like the rest of their music except for maybe the album the spark
@@spencerjew2362 Finn would hate the spark too cause half of it is post punk, and he does not like post punk
Attack attack literally had a song called what happens if I can’t check my MySpace when we get there
Say what you will about Creg Owens but he single handedly introduced throat tattoos to the scene lol
This is true!
I actually love Chiodos Alls Wells that Ends well. It’s a great album for what it is. The tracks never followed a specific format until later on I liked guitar work too. I’m definitely a chiodos stan for AWTEW album lol
"Nobody in this band weighs over like 110lbs"
I nominate this quote for funniest Finn comment of 2022 LMFAOOOO. I didn't even realize it until you made this comment but that was totally a thing wasn't it?!?? I'm pretty sure Vic Fuentes (PTV) is STILL 110lbs 🤣
My wife and I call them "band-sized" because the guys in all those bands were so tiny!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA 😂😂😂 that's freakin hilarious
The enter shikari slander is unforgivable
The 3 bands I like on here the most musically is Breathe Carolina, Boys like girls and Enter Shikari. Unfortunately you were too tough on them especially Enter Shikari. I recommend giving them another closer look if you wished.
I’m here to get irrationally angry about opinions on bands I listened to 10-15 years ago!
You and everybody else
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA thank you for including FTSK, that’s a hometown band for me and I love those guys. Should’ve been way bigger.
My band was A skylit drive. Adelphia is a solid 10/10 and still to this day one of my favorite albums.
why are there 7 people in Woe Is Me? I missed a lot of this era I guess, but I'm just confused about what 1-3 members do... sneaky trombone solos?
I'm disappointed you didn't choose just got paid for millionaires but yeah, they were S tier
Blessthefal “Hollow bodies” is one of the best metalcore albums of all time and the billboard rankings shows it. Mediocre band but they nailed it on that album
Their last album Hard Feelings was also a solid album. Not as heavy, but a perfect album for a late night drive. One of my favorite albums with no skips at all. Shame they haven't done anything since then.
I feel like you missed a lot of the really obvious ones from the early scene years and focused on a lot of the poppier stuff from the later years... Saosin, The Used, From First To Last, Hawthorne Heights, Story of the Year, Senses Fail, Silverstein, Drop Dead, Gorgeous, Alesana, Underoath, The Devil Wears Prada, Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Circa Survive, Emery, Dance Gavin Dance, A.F.I., etc.
Not sure a lot of those actually fit scene bands. They're more the precursor to the scene and probably fit better into a separate category. Only ones I would include from your list is Alesana, DDG, DGD, and maybe/ probably Prada.
🤘🤘
Enter Shikari used to be so good live back in the day!
Hey Finn...got on Craigslist (in Louisville) and there's a limp bizkit cover band called bimp lizkit, looking for their wes borland....thought you might wanna check it out lmfao. They're outta Dayton so maybe try that cl too.
In defense of Enter Shikari, I personally loved them because they were the first band i heard that had that heavy edm sound that I love
Breathe Carolina is really the only remnant of my scene days that I still regularly listen to. Their first album It's Classy, Not Classic is one of my favorite albums ever, to this day. It blended atmospheric trance, pop, and screaming in a way that I still haven't heard anyone come close to (despite still desperately looking for, please let me know if you know of anything).
Hello Fascination was a good sweet spot between the neon pop stuff and post hardcore and most of the album was super catchy IMO. Hell is What You Make It was decent, they started to really lean into the whole party/pop side of their music. Then Kyle left the band and I just didn't care for anything afterward, and could care less about their DJ stuff honestly.
I'm still dying for something like their debut album though.
I love it. Still jam to a few of their songs
I was hooked when I heard that first 6 song ep and sadly never found anything like that ep again
@@ottawanuck6048 ya they changed their style dramatically. But so many of those bands from that short Era did.
Oh boy you need to be learnt on Enter Shikari's music that came after.... showing their most rough and earliest live stuff lmao...shame. You need to check out their album A Flash Flood of Colour.
Attack Attack still got it. Seen them in Iowa City, my fatass two stepped to Stick Stickly and wished I had long hair again to constantly flip.
For a scene list i feel like you missed some big players. Pierce the veil, of mice and men, we came as romans, bmth, asking Alexandria.
Also I've heard more about dot dot curve just by watching a few videos of yours than I have in my entire life.
There needs to be a Scene Exhibit in a museum somewhere
well. at least a documentary film like those in metal and hardcore
Pt 2 Features Asking Alexandria, Issues,A Day To Remember,Bullet-for-my-valentine,Attila and more...
Thanks for introducing me to Chiodos this stuff absolutely smacks love it
The shade you threw in the mugshot statement, was awesome!
so happy to see Forever The Sickest Kids, especially "My Worst Nightmare" love. I gave myself whiplash head-banging to that song.
This was really fun to see live!
Awesome video. I love this era of music, super scene fan. Saw summer set at sad summer fest and it was awesome. So many memorable warped tours.
Thanks to you I discovered many new bands again and I will take a closer look. Thank you Finn! And I'm up for a second volume. 👌🏻
10:23 I prefer to call it the "Bob Barker."
I love how finn unabashedly bases his most favorites on if he has a personal connection to them
watched a video of enter shikari from 15 years ago but then judged them on their look from 2023 lol
Craig Mabbit era BTF is insane, loved skateboarding to it in 2010 along with alesana
After seeing this list I really want to know what Finn thinks of This Romantic Tragedy, specifically the song the worst part is waking up
Bruh, Chiodos' Bone Palace Ballet album is masterclass
If you want a full breakdown of the history of Woe Is Me and Issues, go check out The Cozy Representative! He made a few videos on their history!
Let's gooooo!!! I love these tier lists mate...stick sticky was my alarm for too long
I graduated highschool in 2010 in a city 30 minutes south of Evansville, IN. I grew up playing in all those scene synth bands at Boney Junes and The Brothers Pizza in my hometown Owensboro, KY. The scene we had for those few years was absolutely crazy if you were a scene kid. We had hordes of neon kids overrunning the malls and those local venues. Looking back it seems so cringe but holy fk were those some amazing times. Thanks for the nostalgia Finn!!
That Millonaires music video looks like those videos my older cousin Alexandra and her friends used to record for their Facebook profiles back in 2010 lol
Enter shikari started that synth rock stuff!
I was listening to that very same Chiodos song the night before this stream, & I had the same reaction.
wow is me had so many fucking drum fills I couldn't handle it even back in the day lol
I feel like a part of the reason I loved the raw out of tune screamo garbage that had some synth was the same reason I liked dubstep when it first emerged, it’s just different and new and exciting. Looking back though ..😬
Love the content man, these stream highlights are great!
Thank you!
Enter Shikari's Take to the Skies full length is a journey.
Love it
Loved Chiodos as a teen because that was my intro to extreme heavy music. As an adult I really appreciate the way they were able to insert grindcore elements into their music that were not just palatable, but catchy. I can’t think of a band than other than The Number Twelve who made catchy music with a grindcore toolset
I think it’s a result of being a rural Michigan band. We’ve always had a vibrant noise scene and an early 2000’s grind scene with bands like Kissyface Fashion Faux-Pas. Michigan is a breeding ground for extreme music coming out of moist basements.
@@Alfred_English that makes alot of sense
Last two albums of Enter Shikari are actually really great. They get out from the scene, screamy something music, and it was a brilliant move from them. Love those two latest albums.
Thumb's up for the volume two ! 🔥👍🏼
I’m sure i’m biased towards Enter Shikari because i’m English, but Take To The Skies is a bloody banger of an album. I agree the clip in this video of Mothership isn’t amazing, but a number of songs on that album like Labyrinth and Johnny Sniper are objectively good songs. I saw them a few times between 2007 and 2009 and the energy and intensity of their live performances was really something to behold!
Idc dude I'm almost 30 and take to the skies is still one of my favorite albums. It's objectively rough but they have a sound that I haven't heard anyone else come close to replicating since.
Vol. 2 please!!!! I'm shocked you didn't include BVB or Asking Alexandria.
Damn, this makes me feel old. When I was a teenager, I listened to so much of this stuff. I also listened to a lot of Nu Metal and Post Grunge, but seeing the scene stuff age just hits differently.
Btw, I still love End of the World Party to this day. I don't really come back to much from this era, but that album (along with a few others) is really something special.
All your criticism of Enter Shikari is right, but that's always why they slap. unironically awesome live though.
I've waited for this video for so long
This is why I love music, for me, the 2 best bands on this video are at the bottom of the grid, Enter Shikari are one of my favourite bands, and I LOVE their older stuff, and I even have the band's logo tattooed on me, they've evolved massively and become one of the best live bands in the world, and their albums never disappoint, and have moved away from that old scene sound to become one of the cleanest and best produced band in the world lol and I really like Chiodos, their song The Undertakers Thirst Is Unquenchable is always played at my local rock venue haha
How you gonna use my man JJ Demon in the first picture in this video and not even rank his scene era of music? Lol, so funny seein him like that. Good shit man!
Omg that was him?? Forgot all about him
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA yeah! That was him lol. Just oozing scene vibes haha. One of the only good scene rappers back then though. Always fun to see him out in the wild so to speak 😛
All my friends were scene. I never really got it. I liked punk music. I did like Asking Alexandria a bit
Lowkey was waiting for this
You guys remember when Slash started his scene band? I think it was called Slash's Razor Pit, if I remember correctly. He played a black Les Paul.
I used to love the album His Last Walk so much but the following albums are better for sure. Blessthefall and I See Stars were the only bands on this list that I actually listened to. I had a major I See Stars obsession not that long ago... 😂
I'm gonna need a part 2 ASAP!!! Great video
This was so ridiculously entertaining. Thank you so much for making this tier list! Super nostalgic. I hope you do more of these in the future. There are tons of cringy groups/people from that era to rank.
As an all time low fan i can say they absolutely love their fans they are just a goofy band
I was really into breath Carolina and 3oh3 now I'm an engineering major really leads you down a dark path
I checked out Breathe Carolina after not having listened to them since wooly and I had not missed much that's for sure lmao
this stuff was all really just extra-heavy power-pop. i loved a lot of it and still throw it on to reminisce now and then
Finn always bringing up the Enter Shikari album even Enter Shikari hates and then says they have "Some Sucess"