@@vojtechnovacek7776 Na I genuinely didn’t here the gap between Norris and Riccardo but yea true 3 tenths is a big gap in Motorsport was that the gap between Norris and Ricciardo
ok make it fare now compare dans first year to oscars first year what we really need to see is dan and oscar on track battle hopefully dan will get a drive next year
The more i dwell on Riccardo at Mclaren the more painful it is. It also hurt to hear from red bull that even in the simulator he wasnt the same driver.
@@carisi2k11 recently, also said that the simulator work Danny has done for them has fixed a lot of the problems that they found in the first sim test.
halfway through 2021 he realised he wasn't a mclaren driver, and spent the next 18 months trying to impersonate one. like a cop undercover, it'll take him a while to get back to normal - but i'm confident he will.
His performances have certainly not been impressive, even Zhou was better last year as a rookie (who I actually think is/was overrated). Also of course he'll be rookie of the year if you look at the unfortunate situations of the other rookies. Still time to improve though
@@TommoMcCluskey Its made even worse by how hes already kinda old for an F1 rookie as well, theres definitely far younger rookies with way more promise. I dont think he should be swapped mid season, but RB are ruthless.
The McLaren's pace or lack there of has been a blessing for Piastri. Had there been actual performance & stability in that car, there would've been a hell lot of pressure on him to perform with the hype of the last 2 years hanging over him. Now he has a comfortable environment to bed in and improve slowly along with the car.
I think a better method would've been to use percentage difference than the outright tenths. With 2023 cars being quicker by a second than 2022 it's not comparable the gap, since say that Lando was 10% quicker than both. This year a driver 10% slower than Lando would be 0.1s closer which doesn't look as bad for Danny Ric. I think if you used this method Tommo you could equate for the differences in cars and the effectively shorter laps this year. Hope you see this and enjoy the idea!
Yeah that's a fair point y'know. I think tenths feel more easily digestible, given that's what we're used to being exposed to as fans of F1. Perhaps I should have modified the gaps to account for the car differences? It's like the Red Bull is about 0.5% faster than the Ferrari in race pace, which doesn't sound like much, but is a LOAD in practice.
@@TommoMcCluskey I think it'd be useful, but agree on digestibility and while it's alright for stats nerds to sit here and say percentages work better the tenths does make for more digestible content and ultimately even if it mildly exaggerates a difference it made for a great watch. As you say it can be a noticeable difference, and I think with how long the laps have been in the old McLaren exaggerated the difference between Danny Ric and Lando. As you say, the Red Bull is a decent chunk faster and that means effectively while it's the same circuit it's a shorter lap for a 2023 Red Bull than it is for a 2022 McLaren so you'd expect smaller nominal gaps. Could be fun to show both in future? Not sure how it'd work for presentation and digestibility but either way it's a nice reminder to support Piastri and show his impressive performance.
"Digestibility" and being a "better watch" shouldn't be criteria for presenting skewed numbers. If we're not comparing apples to apples, the responsible thing to do is to adjust for the lap length difference. Failing to go for the more truthful data and sticking to what "feels like a better story" is how we got to the current issues in journalism (truthiness, alternative facts, etc)
@@hisham_hm Think that's a little unfair though, sometimes it's better to make something digestible. When you're taught classical mechanics for high school physics it's a lie but more digestible than relativity so clearly sometimes it works. It's always a balance and I think Tommo is pretty good at that balance.
@@TommoMcCluskey And I also think that we shouldn't look at the average, rather the best lap, because if someone slides in their first qualy lap and loses 5 seconds, then goes on to knock out his teammate in q1, then event though their average is lower, his peak lap is what mattered at the end of the day, and that is the main think, that defines how sucessful a qualifying session is.
Great analysis Tommo! You should consider making this an entire series. Sarge vs Goatifi Hulk vs Mick It may be look obvious for these teams that they've improved their driver lineup, but it would still be interesting to see by how much. Maybe you can even compare Nando vs Seb relative to Lance to see which one of them is gapping Lance better.
I second this idea. Especially like an yearly series during the mid season or winter break, comparing all new driver pairings. Would love to see this if you can manage during your own break time.
I'd imagine its nigh-impossible to do that for hulk vs mick, because kmag is really inconsistent. He can get amazing results sometimes but other times he has awful weekends. You can't really do analysis on that.
@@billymays1761 I was never trying to say it's impossible to analyze kmag. I was saying it's impossible to analyze the difference between mick and hulk USING kmag as a benchmark.
I think Ricciardo is very much dependent on his confidence and when that confidence waivers, so do his performances. He is an incredible driver but this is his biggest flaw IMO.
8:35 If you are referring to Max-Checo, there's no other driver whose seat has been more put into question than Perez's. Since the moment he got into that seat in 2021, the only narrative around him has been: "Does he deserves that seat?" Each week for 2 years we can read article after article about how any other driver would be better or who are the candidates to replace him. Luckily, RB aren't as stupid as the media and the "fans".
Because the McLaren is shocking and we weren't sure if it was Daniel or the car. Also just because a driver sweeps in junior categories doesn't mean they'll be good in F1.
People don't realise what he's up against. A full lando Norris, future world champion with the entire team built around him plus 5 years of experience, 1 year actually with the 2022 regs. Plus, Oscar has had a year out of the sport, the fact that he's anywhere near lando all things considered is mighty impressive.
My guess was 0.40 vs 0.2, advantage norris in both, which was a bit too harsh on Ricciardo. But what I do remember Daniel struggling massively the entire year in an okay-ish car, while Oscar has already outqualified Norris once. Also, this start to the year is a lot worse for McLaren than it was last year, a very important detail. At this point, I see them both as potential WDC material, no matter how overhyped my opinion might be. In addition, Lando has 2 years driving this generation of cars, while Oscar has only just gotten into the sport. Last important detail, I don't think 5 races is enough to compare. Let's remember how much we had Alonso and Vettel struggling in new teams in 2021, and it took them more than 5 races to get up to speed and beat their respective teammates. We are yet to go to Monaco, Hungar, Monza and Spa - some of the outliers in all of this year's calendar; we are yet to see them battle hard with other cars around them, have the opportunity to show their overtaking skills, and so on.
To be fair, I genuinely think it's pretty much the same as last year in terms of performance. The car started as pretty horrible at the beginning and got better, it's already fighting for points now and it can get better later. It's not a horrible car as people say because everytime they drove this year they had some kind of racing incident.. imo they probably have the 5-6th fastest car rn.
I do think the lack of performance of this year’s McLaren may skew make the numbers some in Oscar’s favor but also being that close to a quali-god like Lando as a rookie is no small feat regardless of the car so big ups Oscar
Totally agree! I do think that Oscar is closer to Lando than Daniel, however there might only be so much time to actually find in that car relative to the rest of the grid anyway compared to last year which might skew things a bit.
Good video, but I think with things like this, it’s a better measure to use the median time rather than average. Because using the average means you account for things that maybe aren’t down to driver input (ie. double push laps, debris, gravel ect). This could compress the delta.
Love the content! ❤ Really looking forward to more videos (if you will continue this as a series 😅). The use of data in the comparison was also good, but wouldn’t we get a clearer picture of the gap, if it was calculated with a percentage instead? Especially when comparing the gap for Imola and Azerbaijan, since they are completely different circuits (Imola is also shorter, which means that a 4 tenth gap there is a larger difference than at the longer Baku circuit). Just a thought! Again, great video! 👍🏽
Yeah that's a fair point Nikolas, perhaps next time I'll do percentages as well as time difference. Best of both worlds that way, as percentage is more accurate, but time is more understandable IMO.
im sorry but Mclaren had us all believe last year Daniel was the problem, but it's clear the team(excluding drivers) itself is the problem. I never knew an F1 team could screw up a driver's skills so badly that he had to be rehabilitated at his home team, but that's exactly what happened to Daniel; RedBull was shocked by Daniel's lack of pace when he returned that he had to be rehabilitated. The fact that Lando has stayed with a legacy team like Mclaren for this long and the fans still hasn't seen him battle the top drivers(Max, Leclerc, Russell, etc) is a massive red flag for the team. They attract talent but they end up screwing their careers over later down the line.
Daniel was miles off of Lando's pace. If Daniel isn't capable of maximizing the potential of cars that aren't 100% suited to his driving style, he's better off in IMSA.
@@extremegrieferbible looking back it’s clear McLaren was the bigger problem because they’re even shittier now. Legacy team like McLaren shouldn’t be designing shitty cars and have/force some of the best drivers in the world driving them. Lando has been maximizing his car for a while now, has his team brought him anywhere near the front? Fuck no, it’s the engineers not the drivers
Tbf even Sainz commented on the McLaren's unusual characteristics. But it's still a good point, it's not good having a car that needs such a unique style.
When Daniel said youthfulness is bliss he wasn't wrong. Lando and Oscar start their careers in a mclaren before having any preconceived ideas about how a f1 car handles where Daniel had 10+ years of ideas of how a car should work instead of being able to just drive it the way it's needed. Just a typical side effect of getting older
Nice video and thanks for the effort dong it. I feel Oscar is doing a great job to date. He has kept it off the walls and is close to his team mate who has years of experience in the McLaren. It will be interesting to see the same comparison done for the second half of the year.
2 things. While it's true that the 2023 cars are faster, the Mclaren is also clearly a more difficult car to drive than it was last year. They are clearly struggling to even make Q2 at most tracks on both sides of the garage. Not only this, but we're comparing Piastri, a rookie who didn't even get to race in a proper championship last year to a multiple race winner. If we think back to 2021, McLaren were actually very patient with him, always defending him and saying he'd get on the pace in no time. It's only in 2022 that the relationship clearly deteriorated. Drawing conclusions from a comparison between the first 5 races of a rookie in a difficult car and Daniel's first 5 races of 2022 in an average car doesn't seem fair. Especially when the 2023 car is an evolution of 2022's, which Lando drove all year, unlike at the start of 2022 when it was a brand new concept for both drivers.
Tommo, congrats on getting my 1st TH-cam comment. I have 1 question. Who wants to be first in driving a shitbox? Kudos to both Lando and Piastri for making the best of it. Piastri's gets point for flexibility. But there is not a lot of pressure when Lando Norris isn't scoring points. The story shouldn't be about Piastri and Riccardo. It should be what is broken at Mclaren.
It’s worth pointing out that in Azerbaijan qualifying was the second session of the weekend. Piastri had less than an hour of driving a street circuit before qualifying
Ricciardo never really found a solid and consistent qualifying pace at RB either & typically was beaten by max with Renault being an outlier (obviously walked it in ‘20) Ricciardo’s race-craft was undeniably killer & he has very valuable experience there. In all fairness I think Lando is decent but still lives deep in the shadows of LEC, VER & RUS at this stage of his career, with the f-up in Sochi being a display of his inexperience of arrogance as a young racer. On the other hand, it’s hard to take away ricciardo’s advantages when he’s from the front. Just some food for thought - have a great day
Before I even watch, and this hurts as a hardcore DR3 fan, it's not so much the gap that was the problem, yes that was a big factor, but most of the disappointment came from just how lacking and underperforming Ricciardo really was, compared to his full potential. Guesses Lando vs Daniel: 0.46 Lando vs Oscar: 0.12 I knew it was going to be somewhat bad, like upwards of 5-6 tenths for Dan, but that wasn't as bad as I thought, still bad, but it wasn't the entire 'demolition job' it felt like it was. And if we want to add in context of the moments, Bahrain Ricciardo had just come back from Covid, and had no testing at Bahrain, so he was a little off. Saudi nothing happened. Australia, final lap in Q3 they changed tyres instead of keeping the worn ones on (or other way around, I know he had one and then the other for final lap), Imola, going further into Q3, Norris did bring out the red flag when Riccardo was on a good lap at that point, so don't know, but it looked good, and Miami, he did have a technical issue at the end of Q2, and had to rush to make his final lap, had less ERS and overworked tyres for his push lap. TLDR: I thought it was going to be worse, guessed slightly too much, but there was some issues in 2022 that add some context. They don't excuse the results, but it adds a bit of context to the whole situation.
Daniel wasn't able to drive the Mclaren the natural way he drives, one which made him one of the fastest guys on the grid. It's as simple as that. Instead of just trying to drive around it, they tried to change his whole driving style, he effectively wasn't driving on instinct anymore, he was thinking and driving. This is the killer blow. Norris is driving this car on instinct as he has only ever driven Mclarens in his whole career, this is all he knows. When he went back on the Red Bull simulator early this year, straight away he was driving with the really bad habits he picked up at Mclaren. They could not recognize him from his previous years driving at Red Bull. But the good news is he has been eliminating those bad habits and he is driving naturally on instinct again, and reports are he is back.
I think you should’ve compared the same 4 tracks, and not just the first four races. I’m not sure if that changes things but I just think it would’ve been a better way to compare them
I really don't think quali results matter much (poor poor Charles). There are a lot of drivers who can manage a good lap but not deliver over the duration of a race. How would they compare on race pace?
7:58 Because the track was ramping up so much, using the average of Piastri's three laps compared to Lando's two might be a bit misleading 11:20 Also the fact that Piastri's salary is probably *much* less than what they would've had to pay Daniel
He is so far but people have forgotten what Ricciardo is capable of. He didn’t adapt well to the McLaren but in a car which is stable on corner entry he’s one of the best. There are so many variables in F1 and fans/media look at things way too black and white
Wouldn't Danny Ric's first season be a better comparison? Closer in experience with the team at least. Oscar is doing fine. Given a better car I'm sure he'll be a cracking driver.
Piastri has been fine, stepped up and got the car into Q3 in Jeddah with the pressure squarely on him The cars absolutely suck for racing, so that’s a problem in itself
It not surprising to see Oscar doing better. Young driver with abundance of confidence & nothing to lose yet, vs Daniel who lost practically all confidence in 2021 & 2022 with a car that simply could not be set up to his liking (or him completely changing his driving style that he's had for over 10 yrs in F1).
The thing is, in the midfield, being 3-4 tenths slower is the difference between being around P15 or making it into Q3. The gap between Sainz and Leclerc and Verstappen and Perez is about the same, but at the front of the grid, there is more room for error, so you don't immediately look as bad.
Danny defenders: "Well the first 12 years of his career weren't a fair test." Meanwhile Checo: Regularly trading purple laps with Verstappen for half the race, being hunted down to the very last lap with Max not even backing down after they've sailed 20s out from the field. Probably facing the hardest trial any F1 driver has had in living memory. And he's pulled out some mega wins. Ricciardo defenders: "Yeah but... Uhmm... Horner said positive things about Ricci in the sim...?" This is too much copium for me.
yeah and then checo gets demolished by max in miami. see the difference here? on the right day, perez can challenge verstappen but there is never or hasn't been a day where verstappen was losing ground to perez the same way perez lost to max at miami. he is tremendously outpaced by verstappen and his best performance we've seen is that he could only MATCH max's speed on the right day.
I think 2021 and 2022 the car was kinda unpredictable, which made the performances go up and down through the season, especially seeing 2022 when you see where they started and where they finished, it's really complicated I think to find the limits and trust a car this unpredictable, this year the car is just so bad, that both drivers are struggling and you can't get anything out of this car, I think that's the main reason why Piastri got less gap with Lando, and also the fact that it's his rookie season and he didn't have to change his driving style considerably to fit the car and the team, he's learning, he doesn't have anything to change like Daniel did (I think he said it himself that he had to change his style, and seeing now all the Red Bulls comments explains it)
says who? lando has never proven that title. he has never won, he had a chance to win and bottled it under pressure, he has never driven for a top team either. if lando norris can walk away from his safe shell mclaren and enter somewhere like RB, he will show how good he really is or how overrated he is.
One thing to consider also is that Daniel had covid at the start of the season and missed pre season testing which affected him in atleast 3 or 4 races
Comparing Piastri & Ricciardo isn’t even fully correct as Danny was on his second year at MCL while Piastri is a rookie in F1 and had just spent a year in the sidelines. Ricciardo was supposed to beat Norris, Piastri is just expected to maintain a decent gap and close in as he learns, McLaren made the right choice for all parties. After finishing the video, I’m very proud of Piastri, what a driver 👏
As someone who has followed him since F3, I expected more from him. He's been fine but I expected Oscar to be as good as what Carlos was against Lando in 2019/2020
Lando is not the same driver though as he was in 2019. He has improved a lot with the experience he has gained. As a McLaren fan since 2012 i think Oscar has done great so far, although that's what i was expecting. Don't forget his only clean race was Australia so he hasn't been able to demonstrate his performance yet with McLaren's failures(BAH, MIA), misfortune(SAU) and illness(Baku)
This is a rather bitter pill to swallow but it's true. It could be because Ricciardo is a vet. That could be why it's limiting him. He has an expectation of a car being competitive. But let's be honest, it's poor. Piastri is coming in with freshness and 0 expectations. You could consider that a weakness as well as a strength. I like McLaren but they need to wake up and smell the coffee because right now the car is subpar.
I mostly agree to the point you made yet raw data from Q1 is not representative of what this sport is in my opinion. Would your compare Prost's qualifying performance to Senna's? It doesn't represent accurately what this sport is about (not to say that Ricciardo would benefit in that comparison)
I think another factor you have to take into account is that Imola is a shorter circuit than Baku. Imola has 4.909 km of track while Baku is 6.003 km of track.
II thought the same (that Dan and Oscar would be similar compared to Lando). You can't take it away from Lando, he's proving to be no slouch but let down by the car. I'm not fully convinced yet but I guess it makes sense. Oscar has much more recent experience in a GP2 car ;)
The real question is if Norris is performing as highly as the he has been the last 2 years. I would argue that he is not - his uncharacteristic accident in Q1 an example, - highly subjective and complicated of course. Just doesn’t appear to be outperforming the car like he was.
I think one point that is missed is that although daniel is a veteran, he has gotten accustomed the red bull car for 3 years, and when he jump shifts one one type of driving philosophy to another different one, its hard for anyone to adapt (considering how different the redbull is ,compared to others) . But osar is still doing a fantastic job with that car.
@@Kuro-bh8mr If Daniel isn't capable of delivering results in a car that doesn't 100% appeal to his driving style, he's not really fit to be listed in the supposedly 20 best drivers in the world.
I think this is way too early to call and that's why it looks like this. He needs a whole year, with the points percentages, entire quali pace, average results, unforced errors, etc. I think Piastri will be better than Ricciardo, but not by as much, that's because he's a rookie. Too much hype, people expect miracles. Would definitely want to hear something about de Vries, because that's... a different story.
The main problem is that Danny Boy was told to adapt his driving to a car, rather than being in a situation where the setup could be adapted to his driving. There was no way, with that being the MO of the McLaren brass, that he was going to find any success. So Piastri being quicker is nothing shocking. I’d love to see Daniel find some reasonable compromise on his demand for a podium capable car, and just get a seat with a team that is willing to let him be him. It’s a shame Haas seems happy with the pair they have now for the foreseeable future because I think he and Steiner would be a great fit.
The Problem for me is that unlike last year Norris' brilliance doesn't shine through as much as it did before. Not saying he is not performing or that he is bad, but somehow this season McLaren and with that also Norris' performance just feels really "meh" to me or I just don't notice as many things they do because they have taken a backseat in my mind. It feels like Norris isn't performing to the standard we're used to and makes it feel like they actually shouldn't be that close in pace. They probably would have gotten pretty much the same results with Ricciardo in the seat with how it's going right now, but I'm happy for Piastri that he's given his chance and can profit off of the current situation.
As far as i recall. In imola ricciardo was always quicker in quali when they drove their laps at the same time but norris was able to get one more push lap at the end of q3 when it was drying up (Daniel's got interrupted by the red flag) and thats why he outqualified ricciardo
Nah, you don't get a 0.443s advantage over your teammate over the whole qualifying session by only going faster than him once. And both of them got 4 laps in Q1 and Q2.
"I feel like there's teammate parings we see one do that to the other and the other one's not got their seat called into question constantly." Yah, but when your father owns the team....
I think the car being weaker helps Piastri here. The great drivers just seem to be so much better when the car is there for them. Like Max or Lewis were doing well when their car is 2nd or 3rd best but when its 1st they just gain that extra level, and Lando just doesn't have that benefit this season
People don't realize that Lando is a qualifier machine, he's one of the best upthere with the likes of Max Lewis and George, still behind Leclerc. There's a reason he was already outqualified Sainz both in 19 & 20 where Sainz probably in his prime there and Lando is a rookie. Fact: Lando & Charles are the only two drivers on the grid who have never beaten by a teammate on Quali H2H over a season. Tells a lot for u about Lando. I'm not here to overrate him but at least he's a great qualifier.
He's totally underrated in quali imo. People forget that he stuck that McLaren to within a tenth of Max Verstappen og 2 occasions in the dry. Oscar def deserves massive creds to being as close to Lando as he is in quali so far this year. Considering your point about his quali history I don't think it's a reasonable ask to beat Lando in quali by any means, especially in a rookie season
Sainz in his prime at 19 , 20 ? Lmfao wtf He was 24 at the time , people hit their peak 26+ And u can clearly see sainz performing much better than before
@@sentientspaghetti1898 might be so, but certainly it looks like Sainz performed better in the midfield with McLaren as opposed to him at Ferrari currently relative to the level of the teams. Although this year with Ferrari seems to be going his way a bit more
Actually, this comparison makes more sense than considering race stats because qualifying permits the freedom to maximise the performance of the car. On race conditions, the car is not driven at 100%. So it's the better way to measure the true pace of the driver in that car. Race positions are dependent on so many factors, so it kind of skews the true picture of the driver's pace in that car.
You gesticulate a lot, but, I think I spotted that it's a chronograph and the bracelet made enough noise for the mic to pick up... so I'm betting it's a Seiko SSB397.
Oscar's doing a great job I'll say. One thing I want to point out is Oscar probably has more time in F1 cars than any rookie from the last few years. He got a lot of testing from Alpine behind closed doors I believe. So yes he's a rookie but more experienced than what you might think.
You are right. But he also never got to get a fp1 run last year or the year before that. We're as nyck for example got it with multiple teams and a race and even Sargent got to.
The payoff for Danni I heard was less than you have quoted. Often Australian dollars and Us dollars are mixed up. However lets assume its correct. He was going to be paid that sort of level anyway to drive plus bonuses. The payoff was not additional to if he had driven. When Piastri was offered the contract it was not a guarantee of a drive in 2023 but guaranteed 2024. as Mclaren may have agreed with Danni to continue. Just add on $1million for Piastri and Mclaren have got a young driver as good for their purposes as Danni and in 2024 they will save a fortune and not spent any more in 2023 than they were contracted to anyway.
(first off, I paused the video before tommo showed the gaps of oscar and daniel) without a doubt piastri is a lot closer to lando than daniel was, given the fact that the MCL35M exposed his weaknesses out in the open and the MCL36 was the final straw for daniel that he overstayed his welcome at the team (no offence btw)
I need to see piastri in his second season, RIcciardo struggled particularly in the second season as he's gotten used to how Mclaren change their car and the parts that stay similar throughout the changes
Why does Ricciardo get so much leeway as driver who got outperform by his team mate what seems like 95% of the time? Like Perez is criticized often but Ricciardo gets protected. Genuine question
That’s F1 🤷♀️, Leclerc gets trashed for France and no one mentions Hamilton Baku. Carlos makes a mistake everyone is sad, max makes a mistake and everyone laughs, F1 fan bases are all bias and hatred to another driver instead of the overall picture
I love that mclaren is to blame for his poor performance. Meanwhile redbull hires pierre and alex and they both underperform and that’s on them. It’s not redbulls fault they did bad but it is mclarens fault that Daniel did bad….
pleople seem to forget that danny ric has smashed every teammate he's had until the mclaren days!! he finished in front of kvyat, vettel in his first year at redbull which forced vettel to move to Ferrari, beat verstappen in his rookie year...he deserved to be considered no.1 driver at redbull until he got wrongly blamed for the crash in baku!! left redbull..smashed hulkenburg, and ocon before his unfortunate years at mclaren...hes a briiliant driver and character! he's the reason why f1 has exploded in america the the netflix series drive to survive which is why they concentrated the final episode of this season on danny instead of the retiring vettel!! he deserves and f1 seat next year!!
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I missed it how close was Riccardo to Norris
@@amemji5873 ?? 3 tenths is such a big gap in motorsport
@@vojtechnovacek7776 Na I genuinely didn’t here the gap between Norris and Riccardo but yea true 3 tenths is a big gap in Motorsport was that the gap between Norris and Ricciardo
ok make it fare now compare dans first year to oscars first year what we really need to see is dan and oscar on track battle hopefully dan will get a drive next year
The more i dwell on Riccardo at Mclaren the more painful it is. It also hurt to hear from red bull that even in the simulator he wasnt the same driver.
Says a lot about the difficult car architecture McLaren has.
When did Red Bull say this?
@@carisi2k11 recently, also said that the simulator work Danny has done for them has fixed a lot of the problems that they found in the first sim test.
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halfway through 2021 he realised he wasn't a mclaren driver, and spent the next 18 months trying to impersonate one. like a cop undercover, it'll take him a while to get back to normal - but i'm confident he will.
I'd love a vid on De Vries. As for Piastri, I'm very impressed with him and he'll easily win rookie of the year.
Piastri's performances are making De Vries struggles even more disappointing imo
His performances have certainly not been impressive, even Zhou was better last year as a rookie (who I actually think is/was overrated). Also of course he'll be rookie of the year if you look at the unfortunate situations of the other rookies. Still time to improve though
@@TommoMcCluskey Its made even worse by how hes already kinda old for an F1 rookie as well, theres definitely far younger rookies with way more promise. I dont think he should be swapped mid season, but RB are ruthless.
@@rasmus7493 😂😂😂Zhou who couldn’t even beat shittas 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@rasmus7493 piastri has much better accolades than the pay driver. His best talent was contributing to covid
The McLaren's pace or lack there of has been a blessing for Piastri. Had there been actual performance & stability in that car, there would've been a hell lot of pressure on him to perform with the hype of the last 2 years hanging over him.
Now he has a comfortable environment to bed in and improve slowly along with the car.
True, less pressure and scrutiny compared to a podium contending car!
That doesn't make much sense. It's easier to learn in a stable and predictable car
You put piastri in a decent car and he’s be even better. That turd of a car is holding him and Lando back.
Improve slowly? He’s ready for a fast car already, get that car up and ready and he and Lando will show you what they have.
@@ssusggus predicted the future
I think a better method would've been to use percentage difference than the outright tenths.
With 2023 cars being quicker by a second than 2022 it's not comparable the gap, since say that Lando was 10% quicker than both. This year a driver 10% slower than Lando would be 0.1s closer which doesn't look as bad for Danny Ric.
I think if you used this method Tommo you could equate for the differences in cars and the effectively shorter laps this year.
Hope you see this and enjoy the idea!
Yeah that's a fair point y'know. I think tenths feel more easily digestible, given that's what we're used to being exposed to as fans of F1. Perhaps I should have modified the gaps to account for the car differences? It's like the Red Bull is about 0.5% faster than the Ferrari in race pace, which doesn't sound like much, but is a LOAD in practice.
@@TommoMcCluskey I think it'd be useful, but agree on digestibility and while it's alright for stats nerds to sit here and say percentages work better the tenths does make for more digestible content and ultimately even if it mildly exaggerates a difference it made for a great watch.
As you say it can be a noticeable difference, and I think with how long the laps have been in the old McLaren exaggerated the difference between Danny Ric and Lando. As you say, the Red Bull is a decent chunk faster and that means effectively while it's the same circuit it's a shorter lap for a 2023 Red Bull than it is for a 2022 McLaren so you'd expect smaller nominal gaps.
Could be fun to show both in future? Not sure how it'd work for presentation and digestibility but either way it's a nice reminder to support Piastri and show his impressive performance.
"Digestibility" and being a "better watch" shouldn't be criteria for presenting skewed numbers. If we're not comparing apples to apples, the responsible thing to do is to adjust for the lap length difference.
Failing to go for the more truthful data and sticking to what "feels like a better story" is how we got to the current issues in journalism (truthiness, alternative facts, etc)
@@hisham_hm Think that's a little unfair though, sometimes it's better to make something digestible. When you're taught classical mechanics for high school physics it's a lie but more digestible than relativity so clearly sometimes it works. It's always a balance and I think Tommo is pretty good at that balance.
@@TommoMcCluskey And I also think that we shouldn't look at the average, rather the best lap, because if someone slides in their first qualy lap and loses 5 seconds, then goes on to knock out his teammate in q1, then event though their average is lower, his peak lap is what mattered at the end of the day, and that is the main think, that defines how sucessful a qualifying session is.
Great analysis Tommo! You should consider making this an entire series.
Sarge vs Goatifi
Hulk vs Mick
It may be look obvious for these teams that they've improved their driver lineup, but it would still be interesting to see by how much.
Maybe you can even compare Nando vs Seb relative to Lance to see which one of them is gapping Lance better.
Yeah that gap relative to Stroll idea is a sound one, I might just do that at the end of this season. 👀
I second this idea. Especially like an yearly series during the mid season or winter break, comparing all new driver pairings.
Would love to see this if you can manage during your own break time.
I'd imagine its nigh-impossible to do that for hulk vs mick, because kmag is really inconsistent. He can get amazing results sometimes but other times he has awful weekends. You can't really do analysis on that.
@@Twodeegeeeyou just analyzed Kmag’s performance by saying he’s not consistent and is hit or miss.
@@billymays1761 I was never trying to say it's impossible to analyze kmag. I was saying it's impossible to analyze the difference between mick and hulk USING kmag as a benchmark.
I think Ricciardo is very much dependent on his confidence and when that confidence waivers, so do his performances. He is an incredible driver but this is his biggest flaw IMO.
8:35 If you are referring to Max-Checo, there's no other driver whose seat has been more put into question than Perez's. Since the moment he got into that seat in 2021, the only narrative around him has been: "Does he deserves that seat?" Each week for 2 years we can read article after article about how any other driver would be better or who are the candidates to replace him. Luckily, RB aren't as stupid as the media and the "fans".
Especially the fans, they are a special kind of stupid
100% agree
I wasn't tbf, but you're not wrong either.
@@TommoMcCluskeyi was thinking charles vs carlos
This hasn't aged very well
Piastri is a generational talent. A winner. Why should anyone be surprised that he has started his rookie season well?
Fax
Because the McLaren is shocking and we weren't sure if it was Daniel or the car. Also just because a driver sweeps in junior categories doesn't mean they'll be good in F1.
People don't realise what he's up against. A full lando Norris, future world champion with the entire team built around him plus 5 years of experience, 1 year actually with the 2022 regs. Plus, Oscar has had a year out of the sport, the fact that he's anywhere near lando all things considered is mighty impressive.
I would have liked to see the first season of ricciardo in mclaren too
Even then Ricciardo was way off Norris
My guess was 0.40 vs 0.2, advantage norris in both, which was a bit too harsh on Ricciardo. But what I do remember Daniel struggling massively the entire year in an okay-ish car, while Oscar has already outqualified Norris once. Also, this start to the year is a lot worse for McLaren than it was last year, a very important detail. At this point, I see them both as potential WDC material, no matter how overhyped my opinion might be. In addition, Lando has 2 years driving this generation of cars, while Oscar has only just gotten into the sport.
Last important detail, I don't think 5 races is enough to compare. Let's remember how much we had Alonso and Vettel struggling in new teams in 2021, and it took them more than 5 races to get up to speed and beat their respective teammates. We are yet to go to Monaco, Hungar, Monza and Spa - some of the outliers in all of this year's calendar; we are yet to see them battle hard with other cars around them, have the opportunity to show their overtaking skills, and so on.
To be fair, I genuinely think it's pretty much the same as last year in terms of performance. The car started as pretty horrible at the beginning and got better, it's already fighting for points now and it can get better later. It's not a horrible car as people say because everytime they drove this year they had some kind of racing incident.. imo they probably have the 5-6th fastest car rn.
I do think the lack of performance of this year’s McLaren may skew make the numbers some in Oscar’s favor but also being that close to a quali-god like Lando as a rookie is no small feat regardless of the car so big ups Oscar
Totally agree! I do think that Oscar is closer to Lando than Daniel, however there might only be so much time to actually find in that car relative to the rest of the grid anyway compared to last year which might skew things a bit.
Good video, but I think with things like this, it’s a better measure to use the median time rather than average. Because using the average means you account for things that maybe aren’t down to driver input (ie. double push laps, debris, gravel ect). This could compress the delta.
Love the content! ❤ Really looking forward to more videos (if you will continue this as a series 😅).
The use of data in the comparison was also good, but wouldn’t we get a clearer picture of the gap, if it was calculated with a percentage instead? Especially when comparing the gap for Imola and Azerbaijan, since they are completely different circuits (Imola is also shorter, which means that a 4 tenth gap there is a larger difference than at the longer Baku circuit). Just a thought!
Again, great video! 👍🏽
Yeah that's a fair point Nikolas, perhaps next time I'll do percentages as well as time difference. Best of both worlds that way, as percentage is more accurate, but time is more understandable IMO.
Yep, that makes perfect sense. 👍🏽
Great video as always sir and thanks for having me as your mystery TH-camr link 💛
im sorry but Mclaren had us all believe last year Daniel was the problem, but it's clear the team(excluding drivers) itself is the problem. I never knew an F1 team could screw up a driver's skills so badly that he had to be rehabilitated at his home team, but that's exactly what happened to Daniel; RedBull was shocked by Daniel's lack of pace when he returned that he had to be rehabilitated. The fact that Lando has stayed with a legacy team like Mclaren for this long and the fans still hasn't seen him battle the top drivers(Max, Leclerc, Russell, etc) is a massive red flag for the team. They attract talent but they end up screwing their careers over later down the line.
Daniel was miles off of Lando's pace. If Daniel isn't capable of maximizing the potential of cars that aren't 100% suited to his driving style, he's better off in IMSA.
Ricciardo was the problem. He was nowhere near Norris.
@@extremegrieferbible looking back it’s clear McLaren was the bigger problem because they’re even shittier now. Legacy team like McLaren shouldn’t be designing shitty cars and have/force some of the best drivers in the world driving them. Lando has been maximizing his car for a while now, has his team brought him anywhere near the front? Fuck no, it’s the engineers not the drivers
Tbf even Sainz commented on the McLaren's unusual characteristics. But it's still a good point, it's not good having a car that needs such a unique style.
@@extremegrieferbible Oi don’t take a shot at IMSA. Plus without tire warmers I think it’d be even worse
When Daniel said youthfulness is bliss he wasn't wrong. Lando and Oscar start their careers in a mclaren before having any preconceived ideas about how a f1 car handles where Daniel had 10+ years of ideas of how a car should work instead of being able to just drive it the way it's needed. Just a typical side effect of getting older
"Who's closer to Lando?"
In 2023 it's Williams, probably.
Nice video and thanks for the effort dong it. I feel Oscar is doing a great job to date. He has kept it off the walls and is close to his team mate who has years of experience in the McLaren. It will be interesting to see the same comparison done for the second half of the year.
Fantastic video! Helpful to see the specific breakdowns for each race and an overall summary of the differences. High quality content mate
Gotta say Tommo, your graphics are bloody brilliant. Clear and pretty lol good on ya bloke
2 things.
While it's true that the 2023 cars are faster, the Mclaren is also clearly a more difficult car to drive than it was last year. They are clearly struggling to even make Q2 at most tracks on both sides of the garage.
Not only this, but we're comparing Piastri, a rookie who didn't even get to race in a proper championship last year to a multiple race winner. If we think back to 2021, McLaren were actually very patient with him, always defending him and saying he'd get on the pace in no time. It's only in 2022 that the relationship clearly deteriorated.
Drawing conclusions from a comparison between the first 5 races of a rookie in a difficult car and Daniel's first 5 races of 2022 in an average car doesn't seem fair. Especially when the 2023 car is an evolution of 2022's, which Lando drove all year, unlike at the start of 2022 when it was a brand new concept for both drivers.
Tommo, congrats on getting my 1st TH-cam comment. I have 1 question. Who wants to be first in driving a shitbox? Kudos to both Lando and Piastri for making the best of it. Piastri's gets point for flexibility. But there is not a lot of pressure when Lando Norris isn't scoring points. The story shouldn't be about Piastri and Riccardo. It should be what is broken at Mclaren.
I don't get the narrative that people construct where because the car is slow THIS year, then Daniel wasn't part of the problem LAST year.
Banger video Tommo
It’s worth pointing out that in Azerbaijan qualifying was the second session of the weekend. Piastri had less than an hour of driving a street circuit before qualifying
Ricciardo never really found a solid and consistent qualifying pace at RB either & typically was beaten by max with Renault being an outlier (obviously walked it in ‘20)
Ricciardo’s race-craft was undeniably killer & he has very valuable experience there.
In all fairness I think Lando is decent but still lives deep in the shadows of LEC, VER & RUS at this stage of his career, with the f-up in Sochi being a display of his inexperience of arrogance as a young racer. On the other hand, it’s hard to take away ricciardo’s advantages when he’s from the front.
Just some food for thought - have a great day
For Bahrain, it’s important to remember that Lando had 3 days more testing than Daniel in 2022
Before I even watch, and this hurts as a hardcore DR3 fan, it's not so much the gap that was the problem, yes that was a big factor, but most of the disappointment came from just how lacking and underperforming Ricciardo really was, compared to his full potential.
Guesses
Lando vs Daniel: 0.46
Lando vs Oscar: 0.12
I knew it was going to be somewhat bad, like upwards of 5-6 tenths for Dan, but that wasn't as bad as I thought, still bad, but it wasn't the entire 'demolition job' it felt like it was. And if we want to add in context of the moments, Bahrain Ricciardo had just come back from Covid, and had no testing at Bahrain, so he was a little off. Saudi nothing happened. Australia, final lap in Q3 they changed tyres instead of keeping the worn ones on (or other way around, I know he had one and then the other for final lap), Imola, going further into Q3, Norris did bring out the red flag when Riccardo was on a good lap at that point, so don't know, but it looked good, and Miami, he did have a technical issue at the end of Q2, and had to rush to make his final lap, had less ERS and overworked tyres for his push lap.
TLDR: I thought it was going to be worse, guessed slightly too much, but there was some issues in 2022 that add some context. They don't excuse the results, but it adds a bit of context to the whole situation.
Daniel wasn't able to drive the Mclaren the natural way he drives, one which made him one of the fastest guys on the grid. It's as simple as that. Instead of just trying to drive around it, they tried to change his whole driving style, he effectively wasn't driving on instinct anymore, he was thinking and driving. This is the killer blow. Norris is driving this car on instinct as he has only ever driven Mclarens in his whole career, this is all he knows.
When he went back on the Red Bull simulator early this year, straight away he was driving with the really bad habits he picked up at Mclaren. They could not recognize him from his previous years driving at Red Bull.
But the good news is he has been eliminating those bad habits and he is driving naturally on instinct again, and reports are he is back.
And ricciardo fans will say it’s the car, I love Daniel but a rookie is showing him up like it ain’t the car
I think you should’ve compared the same 4 tracks, and not just the first four races. I’m not sure if that changes things but I just think it would’ve been a better way to compare them
They did about the same, but Piastri cost less.
I really don't think quali results matter much (poor poor Charles). There are a lot of drivers who can manage a good lap but not deliver over the duration of a race. How would they compare on race pace?
7:58 Because the track was ramping up so much, using the average of Piastri's three laps compared to Lando's two might be a bit misleading
11:20 Also the fact that Piastri's salary is probably *much* less than what they would've had to pay Daniel
He is so far but people have forgotten what Ricciardo is capable of. He didn’t adapt well to the McLaren but in a car which is stable on corner entry he’s one of the best. There are so many variables in F1 and fans/media look at things way too black and white
What a in depth video love it 👍🏻👌🏻
THE NEW OUTRO MUSIC FADE🔥
I just want one thing verstappen vs Alonso in same machinery or close to same machinery
Piastri is doing very well considering his experience and what a shitheap that Macca is.
Wouldn't Danny Ric's first season be a better comparison? Closer in experience with the team at least.
Oscar is doing fine. Given a better car I'm sure he'll be a cracking driver.
Piastri has been fine, stepped up and got the car into Q3 in Jeddah with the pressure squarely on him
The cars absolutely suck for racing, so that’s a problem in itself
It not surprising to see Oscar doing better. Young driver with abundance of confidence & nothing to lose yet, vs Daniel who lost practically all confidence in 2021 & 2022 with a car that simply could not be set up to his liking (or him completely changing his driving style that he's had for over 10 yrs in F1).
The thing is, in the midfield, being 3-4 tenths slower is the difference between being around P15 or making it into Q3. The gap between Sainz and Leclerc and Verstappen and Perez is about the same, but at the front of the grid, there is more room for error, so you don't immediately look as bad.
We need a vid about how debris could get replaced by Danny at alphatauri
This is kind of what I expected result wise. But with the field being this close having Oscar closer should net more points in the end
Why wouldn't you use the % different between Norris & 2nd McLaren driver. That would give us a better understanding.
great vid. would like to see one for Williams too.
how about doing 2019 Carlos vs Lando rookie and 2023 Lando vs Oscar rookie at the end of the year?
Dayum great video idea,great vid
Danny defenders: "Well the first 12 years of his career weren't a fair test."
Meanwhile Checo: Regularly trading purple laps with Verstappen for half the race, being hunted down to the very last lap with Max not even backing down after they've sailed 20s out from the field. Probably facing the hardest trial any F1 driver has had in living memory. And he's pulled out some mega wins.
Ricciardo defenders: "Yeah but... Uhmm... Horner said positive things about Ricci in the sim...?"
This is too much copium for me.
yeah and then checo gets demolished by max in miami. see the difference here? on the right day, perez can challenge verstappen but there is never or hasn't been a day where verstappen was losing ground to perez the same way perez lost to max at miami. he is tremendously outpaced by verstappen and his best performance we've seen is that he could only MATCH max's speed on the right day.
I think 2021 and 2022 the car was kinda unpredictable, which made the performances go up and down through the season, especially seeing 2022 when you see where they started and where they finished, it's really complicated I think to find the limits and trust a car this unpredictable, this year the car is just so bad, that both drivers are struggling and you can't get anything out of this car, I think that's the main reason why Piastri got less gap with Lando, and also the fact that it's his rookie season and he didn't have to change his driving style considerably to fit the car and the team, he's learning, he doesn't have anything to change like Daniel did (I think he said it himself that he had to change his style, and seeing now all the Red Bulls comments explains it)
Let’s keep in mind Lando could be a future world champion with the right car
The fact Oscar’s sticking with him so far as a rookie is no mean feat
Indeed
says who? lando has never proven that title. he has never won, he had a chance to win and bottled it under pressure, he has never driven for a top team either. if lando norris can walk away from his safe shell mclaren and enter somewhere like RB, he will show how good he really is or how overrated he is.
Of course he is! Basta!
If Lando hat more push-laps in 2023, he would be much far ahead of Oscar
And if Latifi drove a Red Bull he would have a race win
@@guybunchofnumbers123 violation 💀💀
Maybe. Maybe not.
@@guybunchofnumbers123 and if you would shut your hole, you wouldn't talk nonsense 😊
if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike
One thing to consider also is that Daniel had covid at the start of the season and missed pre season testing which affected him in atleast 3 or 4 races
is still so wierd that ricciardo is the last guy to win a race for mclaren. Landos good but imo you give ricciardo a normal car he cooks
Comparing Piastri & Ricciardo isn’t even fully correct as Danny was on his second year at MCL while Piastri is a rookie in F1 and had just spent a year in the sidelines. Ricciardo was supposed to beat Norris, Piastri is just expected to maintain a decent gap and close in as he learns, McLaren made the right choice for all parties.
After finishing the video, I’m very proud of Piastri, what a driver 👏
As someone who has followed him since F3, I expected more from him. He's been fine but I expected Oscar to be as good as what Carlos was against Lando in 2019/2020
Still only 5 races in,
Lando is not the same driver though as he was in 2019. He has improved a lot with the experience he has gained. As a McLaren fan since 2012 i think Oscar has done great so far, although that's what i was expecting. Don't forget his only clean race was Australia so he hasn't been able to demonstrate his performance yet with McLaren's failures(BAH, MIA), misfortune(SAU) and illness(Baku)
its harder to be good as a rookie in a tractor
This is a rather bitter pill to swallow but it's true. It could be because Ricciardo is a vet. That could be why it's limiting him. He has an expectation of a car being competitive. But let's be honest, it's poor. Piastri is coming in with freshness and 0 expectations. You could consider that a weakness as well as a strength. I like McLaren but they need to wake up and smell the coffee because right now the car is subpar.
Well this is gonna be interesting
I mostly agree to the point you made yet raw data from Q1 is not representative of what this sport is in my opinion. Would your compare Prost's qualifying performance to Senna's? It doesn't represent accurately what this sport is about (not to say that Ricciardo would benefit in that comparison)
Oscar a rookie who spent a year out is less than two tenths to his much more expirienced teammate, He'll end up beating Lando
I think another factor you have to take into account is that Imola is a shorter circuit than Baku. Imola has 4.909 km of track while Baku is 6.003 km of track.
Who was the last McLaren driver to win a race????
II thought the same (that Dan and Oscar would be similar compared to Lando). You can't take it away from Lando, he's proving to be no slouch but let down by the car. I'm not fully convinced yet but I guess it makes sense. Oscar has much more recent experience in a GP2 car ;)
Daniel : + 0.6
Piastri: + 0.2
Please compare Alonso and stroll
Using mean average is a very poor comparative tool, you must use median in this scenario
The real question is if Norris is performing as highly as the he has been the last 2 years. I would argue that he is not - his uncharacteristic accident in Q1 an example, - highly subjective and complicated of course. Just doesn’t appear to be outperforming the car like he was.
I think one point that is missed is that although daniel is a veteran, he has gotten accustomed the red bull car for 3 years, and when he jump shifts one one type of driving philosophy to another different one, its hard for anyone to adapt (considering how different the redbull is ,compared to others) . But osar is still doing a fantastic job with that car.
Lmao, Daniel was driving for Renault for two years before joining McLaren. Not a good excuse, mate.
Plus the McLaren is seemingly exceptionally weird on the brakes.
@@extremegrieferbible lmao the Renault was obv similar in style to the red bull was it not?
@@Kuro-bh8mr If Daniel isn't capable of delivering results in a car that doesn't 100% appeal to his driving style, he's not really fit to be listed in the supposedly 20 best drivers in the world.
@@extremegrieferbible unless he’s in a car that does? Silly thing to say.
Short answer YES
I think this is way too early to call and that's why it looks like this. He needs a whole year, with the points percentages, entire quali pace, average results, unforced errors, etc.
I think Piastri will be better than Ricciardo, but not by as much, that's because he's a rookie. Too much hype, people expect miracles.
Would definitely want to hear something about de Vries, because that's... a different story.
The main problem is that Danny Boy was told to adapt his driving to a car, rather than being in a situation where the setup could be adapted to his driving. There was no way, with that being the MO of the McLaren brass, that he was going to find any success. So Piastri being quicker is nothing shocking.
I’d love to see Daniel find some reasonable compromise on his demand for a podium capable car, and just get a seat with a team that is willing to let him be him. It’s a shame Haas seems happy with the pair they have now for the foreseeable future because I think he and Steiner would be a great fit.
The Problem for me is that unlike last year Norris' brilliance doesn't shine through as much as it did before. Not saying he is not performing or that he is bad, but somehow this season McLaren and with that also Norris' performance just feels really "meh" to me or I just don't notice as many things they do because they have taken a backseat in my mind. It feels like Norris isn't performing to the standard we're used to and makes it feel like they actually shouldn't be that close in pace. They probably would have gotten pretty much the same results with Ricciardo in the seat with how it's going right now, but I'm happy for Piastri that he's given his chance and can profit off of the current situation.
As far as i recall. In imola ricciardo was always quicker in quali when they drove their laps at the same time but norris was able to get one more push lap at the end of q3 when it was drying up (Daniel's got interrupted by the red flag) and thats why he outqualified ricciardo
Nah, you don't get a 0.443s advantage over your teammate over the whole qualifying session by only going faster than him once. And both of them got 4 laps in Q1 and Q2.
"I feel like there's teammate parings we see one do that to the other and the other one's not got their seat called into question constantly." Yah, but when your father owns the team....
i thought head to head was norris advantage by +0.45 in bahrain, +0.27 in Australia, +0.33 in Azerbaijan and +0.09 in miami.
I think the car being weaker helps Piastri here. The great drivers just seem to be so much better when the car is there for them. Like Max or Lewis were doing well when their car is 2nd or 3rd best but when its 1st they just gain that extra level, and Lando just doesn't have that benefit this season
ricciardo 0.4 piastri 0.25
damn i was not far off
People don't realize that Lando is a qualifier machine, he's one of the best upthere with the likes of Max Lewis and George, still behind Leclerc. There's a reason he was already outqualified Sainz both in 19 & 20 where Sainz probably in his prime there and Lando is a rookie.
Fact: Lando & Charles are the only two drivers on the grid who have never beaten by a teammate on Quali H2H over a season. Tells a lot for u about Lando. I'm not here to overrate him but at least he's a great qualifier.
He's totally underrated in quali imo. People forget that he stuck that McLaren to within a tenth of Max Verstappen og 2 occasions in the dry. Oscar def deserves massive creds to being as close to Lando as he is in quali so far this year. Considering your point about his quali history I don't think it's a reasonable ask to beat Lando in quali by any means, especially in a rookie season
Sainz in his prime at 19 , 20 ? Lmfao wtf
He was 24 at the time , people hit their peak 26+
And u can clearly see sainz performing much better than before
@@sentientspaghetti1898 Sainz was in his best season in 2019. Afterwards, he had a lot of downgrade especially this new regulation.
@@sentientspaghetti1898 might be so, but certainly it looks like Sainz performed better in the midfield with McLaren as opposed to him at Ferrari currently relative to the level of the teams. Although this year with Ferrari seems to be going his way a bit more
Odd use of the stats. Hope it works well. Believe that the race does count and adding those places might make a difference.
It absolutely counts, love Tommo but this comparison is nonsensical
Actually, this comparison makes more sense than considering race stats because qualifying permits the freedom to maximise the performance of the car. On race conditions, the car is not driven at 100%.
So it's the better way to measure the true pace of the driver in that car.
Race positions are dependent on so many factors, so it kind of skews the true picture of the driver's pace in that car.
Guess: last year ric +0.600, Oscar +0.200, can't wait to see (unpausing...)
👏 you were really close with the Oscar gap
@@silverghost289 hah thanks! Yeah .6 for ric was a bit crazy in retrospect, but still a big gap between the two drivers...
Imagine making this vid after Britain, it would have been so obvious xdd
Watch nerd here: whatchoo got on you wrist, mate?
You gesticulate a lot, but, I think I spotted that it's a chronograph and the bracelet made enough noise for the mic to pick up... so I'm betting it's a Seiko SSB397.
Averages do not work if you include anomalies in the data, take the imola 2022 data as an example.
Oscar's doing a great job I'll say. One thing I want to point out is Oscar probably has more time in F1 cars than any rookie from the last few years. He got a lot of testing from Alpine behind closed doors I believe. So yes he's a rookie but more experienced than what you might think.
You are right. But he also never got to get a fp1 run last year or the year before that. We're as nyck for example got it with multiple teams and a race and even Sargent got to.
The payoff for Danni I heard was less than you have quoted. Often Australian dollars and Us dollars are mixed up. However lets assume its correct. He was going to be paid that sort of level anyway to drive plus bonuses. The payoff was not additional to if he had driven. When Piastri was offered the contract it was not a guarantee of a drive in 2023 but guaranteed 2024. as Mclaren may have agreed with Danni to continue. Just add on $1million for Piastri and Mclaren have got a young driver as good for their purposes as Danni and in 2024 they will save a fortune and not spent any more in 2023 than they were contracted to anyway.
Daniel already get to used in both reanult and redbull era car honestly its why
I feel like its a lewis and george situation. I think norris is not as happy with this car than last years and piastri being faster.
I think Piastri is doing an amazing job for mclaren 🔥🔥🔥
It doesn't matter anyways because the car is poo poo, if both Lando and Oscar perform their best they still are as good as the car
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@@TommoMcCluskey what does that even mean tommo😂
(first off, I paused the video before tommo showed the gaps of oscar and daniel) without a doubt piastri is a lot closer to lando than daniel was, given the fact that the MCL35M exposed his weaknesses out in the open and the MCL36 was the final straw for daniel that he overstayed his welcome at the team (no offence btw)
I need to see piastri in his second season, RIcciardo struggled particularly in the second season as he's gotten used to how Mclaren change their car and the parts that stay similar throughout the changes
Why does Ricciardo get so much leeway as driver who got outperform by his team mate what seems like 95% of the time? Like Perez is criticized often but Ricciardo gets protected. Genuine question
That’s F1 🤷♀️, Leclerc gets trashed for France and no one mentions Hamilton Baku. Carlos makes a mistake everyone is sad, max makes a mistake and everyone laughs, F1 fan bases are all bias and hatred to another driver instead of the overall picture
You should have compared their first year at McLaren when Daniel didn't miss preseason and did better scoring 70% of Landos points to Oscar's 47%.
I love that mclaren is to blame for his poor performance. Meanwhile redbull hires pierre and alex and they both underperform and that’s on them. It’s not redbulls fault they did bad but it is mclarens fault that Daniel did bad….
pleople seem to forget that danny ric has smashed every teammate he's had until the mclaren days!! he finished in front of kvyat, vettel in his first year at redbull which forced vettel to move to Ferrari, beat verstappen in his rookie year...he deserved to be considered no.1 driver at redbull until he got wrongly blamed for the crash in baku!! left redbull..smashed hulkenburg, and ocon before his unfortunate years at mclaren...hes a briiliant driver and character! he's the reason why f1 has exploded in america the the netflix series drive to survive which is why they concentrated the final episode of this season on danny instead of the retiring vettel!! he deserves and f1 seat next year!!
Hard to judge when McLaren is dragging Lando backwards
Could you please leave a link to that website with data? l nevermind, found it