Actually I found a kickstarter for Nightmare World. But it's from 2017 and it's a book. Also that same creator running his 15th campaign (all seem to be book/graphic novel related) so that indicates that even if there is a ks campaign with same name that campaign is still not a scam. Also if you look hard enough you can find every kickstarter campaign page, even if said campaign failed or was canceled. So any claim of kickstarter scam would have some evidence, not only word of mouth.
My bank decided on a random whim that they intend to give me $20 million for no reason. They asked me for proof of this, and I told them I can't remember the details but it definitely happened! 😂
As a formaer member of the first team that went to work on Nighmare World. Yeah. We were all just there of our own accord, at first for goofs on the follies of Dreamworld. Then when things started to come together and started to look kinda neat we felt it could have been a serious project. NO ONE was promised any money. There was no money that was gotten from anywhere for the project. We just did it for fun. I left when I actually came upon a good sum of money elsewhere for other reasons and because I was still working a very busy job during the Covid period. I signed an NDA was the only bit of seriousness towards the end of my tenure. The only thing I'd like to see is an acknowledgement of everyone who worked on the game during all of its periods if they want to be acknowledged. And even that wouldn't kill me. I got my own projects going on, and life things to worry about something that was fun for a couple of months.
I and many others repeatedly asked (on the discord) if there was, or if there was going to be, a kickstarter, because I'd have happily chucked a few quid at the project, but there never was. I seem to recall a time when something was said like "Not at the moment, and we're not sure if there will be, but it'll be in the discord if we do decide to go that route", presumably before they had decided which funding avenue to pursue (it was some time ago so my memory is hazy on the subject).
We would also all know about it, yeah? We'd all be pissed as fuck at Callum, not slightly disappointed that life gets in the way, in that mournful, poetic sort of way. Idk, someone make it sound more poetic, it's 6am.
I'll admit I fell off after COVID for a bit until his recent vids about Earth 2, and I always had the impression that it petered out because it was a 100% volunteer project done for fun, and then people got busy.
I never expected you to really attempt to make the actual game in the first place. I always thought it was just to highlight how these kick starter scams work and an idea of minimum progress you'd expect to see when something isn't a scam as a comparison. Seeing the game completed would just be icing on the cake
Well, the thing is that YES, UE5 nanite saved them and anyone that knew UE4 new how impossible Dreamworld would be (what? You want me to DL terrabites of assets before i can even join the server just to have the PC crash? This doesnt work in minecraft... what makes you think it would work in UE4?) But in the end I said at the start of the drama "this looks like 2 guys that found a way to get money from wallstreet to create their own company. The question now becomes if they can hire the right people with the money" and for sure the drama didnt make it easy. Looking back you could've taken the that investor money as well and i guess the ironic part here is that mr "i got left at the altar" and "Mr was a google ace" now got a working company even after the "bad press" that made it hard for them to find talent. You could go even harder and say "well, at least they released a game and the "AAA dev project" that wanted to show them how you run a company and build their own popularity of their mistakes didnt make it to the public. Why do i say this? I've studied industrial management and always have to deal with workers who think that i'm just the office guy that dont understand their work and they dont understand mine. They can create things... but in the end you dont let the welder isnt the one who runs the company. They got players now... by that metric they're doing better than many game studios. You might be an ace dev... but if you know the HBO show "Silicon Valley" then you know that you might need an Erlich Bachman or Donal "Jared" Dunn if you're Richard Hendrix. Sure, there was no way of telling if we got 2x Erlich Bachmman here... but looking back it is as always the consistently that ends/finshes projects/dreams. People got into the honeymoonphase and enjoyed dunking on two easy targets, this is why you had 20 talanted devs that you could work with and they had nothing but bad PR. Again... Nanite saved them, but pulling of the AI creation and could that seems to transfer assets is genius and to even get hired at google means something i guess ( i dont think that many would make the interviewphases) edit: Nice 86GT and I had Ulnar groove syndrome in my left arm... sorry to hear your arm is messed with permanently. I pinched it with the edge of my arm and the desk while watching a movie and didnt notice...took me month to gain back a feeling in my small dinger (feels strange if you press shift/strg with a numb finger...)
@@DreaMeRHoLic Completely unrelated for the most part, but I'm glad you noticed the syndrome relatively early. I went months until I noticed the entire right side of my left hand (directly down the middle, cutoff point was past my ring finger) was numb. Saw a doctor, they did some motor tests with my fingers and immediately came to the conclusion that I needed surgery. One ulnar nerve transposition later (they take the nerve associated with the "funny bone" and moved it somewhere in my arm that wouldn't be compressed by muscles), a ton of physical therapy, and I'm left with about 80% of my original grip strength. Could've been worse, but it progressed too much to prevent permanent damage. Occasionally I get a weird sensation, I call it "phantom numbness". It only lasts as long as I pay attention to it, and it essentially feels like I'm wearing a very thin glove over that half of my hand. There's definitely a mental "trauma" that I don't think will ever entirely go away. It's served as a great reminder for me to actually pay attention to how I move my body, and when I feel something isn't right. Especially for desk workers, since the symptoms will be aggravated if you're resting your arms incorrectly. WHOEVER READS THIS, DON'T OVERLOOK ERGONOMICS! Sorry for the ramble, I don't normally see other people who've experienced this. Makes me feel a little better about the whole thing.
Yeah, I cringed a bit when I saw that the community is trying to make a MMORPG from scratch on their free time with no planning or management. Then again, nothing would get ever done if it wasn't for the foolhardy people who underestimate the effort and overestimate their capabilities :D I would have never got into software industry if I knew how little I knew when I got my first gig. Oh what an egoistical narcissistic genius I was... is... am... :P
@@FizzlNet i mean its true that making an MMORPG is not a wise choice for a first game like I'm NOT a hater nor am I a fan of dream world never have considered ever backing that project but this project is also basically feeling like as much as I hate to say it the day before 1 no fan funding sure nor did the day before they found a publisher to waste their funds instead I'm not invested into this project like at all but I really do not like when people excuse red flags because "youtube auto correct refuses to allow me to add an R to youtube anyhow I think being critical is VERY important and I'm NOT saying they don't have passion for this but passion does NOT equal ability to pull of a MAJOR and I mean MAJOR project that feels in a way made in a mean sprit to another game that is still being worked onthuss devising the already small market even more I just do not see this project as a viable thing not as it is now not for a game people expect and I would prefer calllum not push a broken game out
@@SeppelSquirrel God, I thought I was the only one. It just pissed me off watching a guy read. Hopefully that changes soon, because I really liked his content.
@@1990alone You do realise he has two channels... the main one is bigger, higher production videos & the second is more casual, shooting-the-shit about interesting topics.
Glad to hear not just an update on Nightmare World, but also tackling the misinformation flying around. I haven't really seen any of the misinformation, but I think that's just because I almost never visit Twitter/X. But it's good that you've clarified on what's been going on. Also, good on you for holding by your morals, & not selling out to Web3 garbage. I hope the funding works out for the game, & look forward to what you have in the future.
That is so scary. I am so sorry you went through that, car crashes are terrifying. Shame shame a thousand shames on those people spreading lies and misinformation about you and nightmareworld, especially when you just went through one of the worst things a person can go through. Mad respect for not selling out to crypto/nft bros. I hope you and your devs get funding eventually because the game looks really good so far. I love all the concept art you showed!
@@vinesauceobscurities Not only a potent mix, but a mix that's becoming increasingly common. I used to love trolling in comment sections, nowadays that's almost impossible as forums get increasingly toxic, seemingly everyone hates everyone and everything. Hell, even in game forums it gotten so bad at this point that everything is apparently broken and imbalanced according to a ton of people, let alone daring to give people tipps on how to deal with enemy types that pretty much no one I've seen playing struggles with. It's so ironic what especially the gaming space has become that it often almost feels like we've entered an alternative reality where TV "Documentaries" about Games making violent and causing mental issues seem to be in the right. I'd say I miss the times where gaming was a community if I'd not know that it's only a part that causes all the commotion. Sorry, I just had to get that rant out of my head right now after watching this.
Also if he were gonna "Take the money and run" wouldn't he get a better car (not a car guy, but that photo looks like a sensible mid-range Toyota that will last him a long time, not a Lambo).
@@Unknown_Genius The problem is that what your describing didn't really exist. Sure, there were probably tiny pockets, but gaming discourse has been toxic for as long as the internet has existed.
@@adanufgail What I describe still exists today and is the norm. I'm not talking about "T-Bagging (which for some reason is toxic nowadays)", Trash talking or other stuff that's "newly toxic" (altho could already result in a ban ages ago) - I'm talking about how gaming is discussed at this point in general and how most discussions go down - which more often than not is delusion above everything else which has seen a massive change in the past ~7 years for the worse. The majority of people still just play their games and don't even participate in those, so if you believe them to be the majority then I got bad news for you: it's the exact same as showcased here: Small groups trying to annoy everyone/spin a narrative or at worst believe what they say. You know? The part that usually also complains that they got banned from forums for "no reason" by just "giving constructive negative feedback" while a ton of people somehow can do precisely that without getting thrown out, which has become increasingly common. Same as it has become increasingly common for people to throw their brain away and complain that sequels of live service games don't have as much content + polish + extra features as a game that got supported (and sold tons of mtx to even allow further developement) with constant updates for years.
As a UE game dev myself, I love what you do, bro! I’m a programmer by trade but I’m working on a MMO myself as a solo dev. It’s not easy. I’m using assets because I’m not an artist. Your team is doing amazing.
That's a cool video response. I know it isn't fair that you ended up having to explain things due to rumors spreading accusations but just as a kind gesture i'd advise you that as a public figure with notoriety amongst scammers it is a good practice to never let gaps of information on your projects fester for such a long time. It can end up hurting your image even if it isn't fair to happen.
i went into hibernation for a year or two waiting for nightmareworld content... and i only now find out you were in a car crash.... wowie sounds like a busy couple years HAHA
yeah pitfalls of doing grand projects on voulenteer basis... it can just so happen that the incredibly talented people get to use those talents to have a job instead of hobby. whilst i am sad for the game i am glad that majority if not all of them gotten to turn passion into employment. thanks for update it is nice to hear it from the leader of the project itself. i was certainly wondering especially after recent DW update Callum did obviously due to their entanglement in concept.
It endlessly entertains me that people will resort to assumptions and misinformation spreading to spite someone, as if that makes their position somehow better. Sorry to hear about what happened to you and your car, Callum. That can't be a great thing to go through, and I hope you're making the best of things.
It's not even that. Yeah, bad actors exist, people who will spread lies about others just in spite, but what worries me more are the people willing to believe such accusations without even a tiny tiny bit of proof. People I could to to and say to them "this person is horrible, they scam people and kick puppies for fun" and they'd believe me. It's so wild.
not paying particular attention BUT I was aware based on a previous video you put out... something like this was going on. (You did not give many details, as I remember, just that you were looking at options or something to that affect.) Glad to hear your still trying to get this going. I wish you and those that helped get this started the best of luck. If nothing else it was an interesting project to hear about!
It really speaks to why the entire market collapsed after Line Go Up: because none of those "investors" had any idea why they were investing in Web 3 beyond "someone rich said it's the next big thing" not realizing that they were looking to sign up to buy those rich people's bags.
Sure, he didn't owe us an explanation, but this project started on TH-cam and then went to every other platform. Many people who watch this channel had no idea what was going on. For most, the reason was simple: "You don't mention NW cause it went belly up, and it would be too embarrassing to admit that, after this was basically started out of spite to the incomptence of DreamWorld and arrogance of being able to do it better." This is how rumors start, no knowing the community you have.
@@christophsiebert1213 You sound like a dreamworld lackey. I've been watching his vids for quite a while and he's always been pretty upfront about stuff. Calling him arrogant is just your projections. You started off with 'sure, he didn't owe us an explanation', then proceeded to blather on about why he owed us an explanation. Get bent.
Still looking forward to playing this when it comes out. Being a solo-dev, who wants to be part of a dev-team, and building the kind of game that I want to buy & play, but keeping it low-spec enough that I can reasonably give it out for free and play it on HTML5 browsers, I understand the struggle of just having nothing to show for months and months at a time.
Hey Callum, glad to hear about Nightmare World again. Seeing the start of that project when you taught the Dreamworld devs how to make doors in games and alike was amazing. I definitely won't forget about that nor NMW as a whole. So here's to hoping that one day this project will continue and eventually be finished! :DD
Hey Callum, sorry to hear about your car accident and its consequences. I have been watching your vids since I saw you collab with Mister Dryface (so covid era) and have been wondering why you weren't uploading as much as you used to. I have been on several of your video premiere and always appreciated how you interacted with your audience. I hope things will keep improving for you and looking forward to your next video. Take care.
I was around when you first started posting about it and I always took it to be a fun project people were working on as a hobby, maybe to get experience they could bring elsewhere someday, but you never presented it to us in a way that felt like we should expect a final product from. It was always a 'oh how cool!' kind of thing and an interesting look at the development of a project like that, not something I would've thought anyone seriously held you to rights over.
Thank you for the update Callum! I follow your channel more closely than a lot of other people, I'm even in your discord, but I still didn't know what was up with NW. A video like this is the best way of communicating with us :D
Im glad for the update- but honestly I just genuinely enjoyed the experience at the time, it would have been cool to see more of it- but don’t discount the enjoyment that we all had from it at the time.
To add onto what people have said, but while it's true that the malicious rumours are not your fault, the information gap is. Keep in mind that you have made a bit of a TH-cam career out of critiquing scam games. When you start your own game , but information just drops out, then you leave malicious actors a great deal of rope with which to hang false rumours. And many people will not pay attention to Discord, streams, or even the TH-cam community posts. It would have been really easy to make a video say exactly what you said here, that people are working again, you want to pay people an actual salary, and that you're looking for an investor. You could have put the project on hiatus, and then whenever anyone asked, "What happened to Nightmare world," we could point them toward that video. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm glad you finally made this video, and I wish you made it earlier.
Dealing with the insane people of the internet is hard. It's good that you created this video to set the record straight instead of continuing to let people just say whatever they want.
Sure man. He "set the record straight" when people were asking for years for updates on the game on his YT channel and discord. He kept on saying the game is still being "worked on" and watch his twitch to see "updates" about the game. He finally made this video because Dreamworld had updated the game significantly while their game is sitting in the dust.
Thanks for making this video. I never cared about nightmare world becoming a real game or not, but all the comments did make me uneasy. It feels good to have a thorough, proper explanation.
I remember the last video on this topic and I remember you bringing up that you were looking for investors for the project because you didn't want to go into the patreon/kickstarter so claims that you took the money and ran are confounding.
It's axiomatic that one should never do business with friends, so I caution you against having your friend fund the game. Otherwise, good to know all this. Thanks! ❤
I did not have a single day off during the pandemic...... and i live right next to you guys! (netherlands) , im so jealous of countries who have been sat at home for months!
I don't get why you people even go on TH-cam when you don't care to watch videos and listen to all the context. Just do a Google search instead next time.
@@OrphanHartI come to TH-cam for answers to questions and useful information. And I got exactly what I came for and it did not require me to watch the video. So I basically won
I'm edit: more sorry for you guys because I'm sure it would have been a great feeling to actually get this game out there, and personally, I was along for the ride, not for the finished product. As I have said in a comment a while back, what I was disappointed about was the sudden lack of communication (through the "official" channel, at least), after that kind of thing was exactly what you wanted to show how to do with this project. Life happens. Fair enough. I still would have liked at least a 2 minute video saying "no news for a while okbye", but I am glad to have closure now. Hopefully, things will change again, and anyway... thanks for the content you put out around this project, and thanks edit: to the volunteers who helped create it.
A worrying amount of people are adopting this absolutely idiotic mindset where when they hear something negative, they will continue to believe the negative even after it's disproven. Some people just flat out do not care about truth. It is pathetic af.
Hey Callum, I’ve just started using Cesium in Unreal Engine. It seems to make the entire Earth 2 project obsolete. Might make a fun video for you to play around in.
I fancy the idea that one day we all will be able to play this game. I also admire the way you have decided to go forth with all this, for me personally I would enjoy some kind of idea-video collage on what you have been planning for the game. Not so much a dev-log as much as just a collage of ideas that may or may not make it to the game at some point.
thanks for the update , really liked the dev footage and thoughts about different systems . wish more projects would release open source , so we can build together rather then everyone building the same thing from scratch over and over .
Callum I think Nietzsche's quote "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." (Beyond Good and Evil, 146) fits this situation a little too well. Best of luck with everything and please keep the updates coming.
If you're implying he has or will become a "monster" you might want to clarify what that means in this context because it definitely is not obvious on its face
@@Delaterius the monsters name is "A game developer explaining why the project is not going anywhere" Callums explanation seems a lot more voluntary than dream worlds ever did.
@@NegnosDk I think we should keep in mind that what the Dreamworld guys did wrong was misrepresent themselves as having capabilities they did not have in order to take money from people. To say that the Nightmare World team did the same thing is an extreme false equivalency. There is no parallel between the two projects in terms of ethics, and the ethics of the Dreamworld situation is what was being exposed, not the mere fact of it not being completed
Honestly you kind of shoot yourself in the foot by just not saying ANYTHING (in video format anyway) for over a year. This is main reason many people assumed that you just... swept the project under the rug and other silly rumours. Even personally i forgot about it's existence and I bet i'm not the only one. But hey - no need to swell on the past. Stay strong. Hope you find reasonable investor and not some silly-ass rugpullers (also investors on NFT lol. NFT games look too cheap to require an investor)
It sounds like someone is being disingenuous and making shit up, and some gullible people who don't feel it's necessary to look for any proof before making accusations are falling for this person's shit.
Honestly never expected an actual game, I thought the whole project started to show more depth to 'that' Kickstarter scam, but thank you for the video and I hope this helps everyone to move on and enjoy more of your content outside of Nightmare World and help them to be wary of scams too 🙂
Yeah the people making noise don't expect a game either, they're using it as a "gotcha" because they're so dumb they think that anyone doing anything wrong invalidates everything they've ever said/believed and thus said idiots can continue pumping money into crypto
I am so glad this project isn't dead, it was looking so good even with the very basic early stuff. And I love that fly through of the mushroom area. I really hope things work out.
I never expected a full game to materialize, but it was certainly fascinating how you just gathered up a group of people and made something that was functional. I always thought it was just a lesson on "don't take on things you dont have the capabilities to accomplish".
Man I feel like a right fool right now. I never spread disinformation, but I did make a comment about you covering Dreamworld and not Nightmare World as a poor attempt at comedy. Yet I knew you'd been going through some tough stuff... For some reason it didn't get through my noggin that that and COVID might've affected, y'know, your work life. The two things were in completely different places in my head! Thank you for the progress update, you're not obligated but it's much appreciated. Seeking investment is one of the biggest blockers to any business, and I hope it goes well!
I genuinely never expected it to be finished, I felt it was more like a performance art piece done really well. Hope you don't feel pressured, I don't think the community expects that from you.
If i remember correctly, wasnt this game project started in spite of what Dreamworld showcased as a lot of development they apparently had done? And you surpassed them in such a small amount of time. I havent followed you regularly, and i was sure Nightmare world was left as you had proven the point ("if you complain, why dont you try to make it"). Mad respect that you have kept development on it! Ill def give it a go if you ever release Nightmare world.
There never was a kickstarter. Everyone who followed the project knew you weren’t going to do one for reasons you stated. Still would love to see this project come to fruition; I hope you get the funding you need to get Nightmare World 1.0 done.
Ok I like your channel, but I may not have watched EVERY video, so I may have missed one here and there... but since when you PROMISED anything with that fun project ? As opposed to any of the crypto stuff you have exposed... 🤣😂🤣 So yeah right it's a major difference. Maybe some (many ?) people wanted to play the game, but you never promised anyone a finished game. That's why I liek you. You do you, you are genuine and you are transparent with everything. Keep on going with the great job, and stay safe out there.
fecking happy to hear your ok and no not everyone reads the comments to much , do a wee 24 hour stream or something with someone raise some money to do a wee bit of part time for you
I always thought it was just a fun side project for you that came from memeing Dream World. I figured if you were still working on it, it would be a while before any real progress could be made as i thought it was a solo project from the start. Honestly i didnt expect anything, and if there was a game at some point then cool. Idk why anyone would get bent out of shape over this, seriously.
I don't blame you, usually I only need one job to keep me afloat but now I have three. My hobby was my second job, but now I had to relegate it for the last year. What I didn't expect was my friend circles to be halved because a lot of "friends" said I should sacrifice my job for my hobbies.
There is a very weird thing I'm starting to see more and more where normal people, not even malicious folks, will skim over a comment or half-listen to a video, and then say the thing they *think* they heard as though it was God's absolute honest truth. They don't question the source, they don't question if they misunderstood, sometimes they even fill in details that weren't present in the original? Like it doesn't even occur to some people that you can't just... rewrite reality this way? It's like they don't think anybody in their phone/tablet is a real human, and this is all about joining a team and scoring points now instead of establishing what really happened.
You took it as far as you could. Who knows? It may pick up traction in the future with some angel investor or more time. Don't worry about the twats in the peanut gallery throwing shade on you - we all get trolled from time to time.
NGL, I somewhat forgot this was even a thing, but instantly hit me when I saw the thumbnail.😉 Background clips look great so far. Sadly can't provide any big investments, but feel free to hit me up once you get far enough that localization would be something to think about, as we do both MMOs and indie titles.
What? On hiatus?! WHAT ABOUT MY INVESTME-... oh, I didn't invest anything and i'm not out anything? Oh well nevermind then, all of my anger and rage is misplaced :) In all due seriousness though, the fact that you did as much as you have is legitimately inspiring, and I truly respect the work you're putting in to proceed FAIRLY and PROPERLY, as well as your commitment to give the finger to NFT and crypto / web3 con artists. I'm happy to follow your progress and your videos.
It's crazy how Dream World is now the better game of the 2 because they finally started to take their game seriously to make up for their Kickstarter scam while Nightmare World is paused because it's a passion project without a Kickstarter, so it could be abandoned without it ever becoming a scam if there's no outside investment.
A... kickstarter... Yeah no, I have been here from day one when the whole Nightmare World idea came up. There never was a Kickstarter. It was always a fun and hobbyist project from the start. The only thing Callum asked for was if anyone wanted to join in because they could need position XYZ in the project. I also checked out the discord because I was initially interested in maybe participating, but it was always just that hobbyist/meme project in reaction to Dreamworld and scams and rugpull games. The talks about a sponsor for the project to continue it more seriously only came much later and more or less of the end of the last videos.
Funding is hard, especially nowadays. Publishers only fund small projects under 500k usd because it’s low risk with a small chance of high rewards or big projects above 10 millions with big names who left their company to create their own studio. Nightmare world is probably between those 2 figures, I don’t know the scope you planned but I’d say you are looking at 3 to 5 millions.
Tbh surprised you found willing investors in the first place, because a game like that costs a lot (reasonable wages would put costs per year already above 500k for a team of 20) and given the current state of gaming it is very high risk. Also this could possibly be a good learning experience for people to understand how costs work and how that does affect development and management decisions.
In the case you want to make that game, make sure it actually has something special that sets it apart from the rest. "Nightmare"... I saw a platformer which was quite interesting, it was like a common Mario-style game, but at some point everything turned into a nightmare version. The atmosphere changed, the music changed, and creatures changed into something where their bodies were stretched high and looked gruesome. I think the idea has a lot of potential, and something like that could be adapted into a RGP too.
I really haven't seen crypto/NFT being pushed into gaming anymore. Is that pretty much dead? VCs finally actually did the market research and learned the target audience is too small?
Well with Nightmare World on hold for now is a good thing as you cand people involved can come up with some good ideas and figure out a few things too. Let's hope that the investors scene changes for the better.
7:50 I said it under the community post as well and repeat it here: Nightmare World started out as a project from your TH-cam videos. Updates on hour-long streams on Twitch or Discord do not reach the main audience the project started out with. I also don't expect multiple paragraphs of a comment explaining the Nightmare World state under a video that had nothing to do with Nightmare World. I'm a TH-cam watcher. I found your channel with DreamWorld and followed your TH-cam channel for videos. I generally have no interest in streams (not you specifically, just in general) and I'm already on enough other Discord servers that pertain to my hobbies (gaming, Genshin Impact, and reverse engineering/game modding) I can't afford to join Discord servers for every TH-camr I watch, so I didn't join yours. And I'd say I was one of the core audience back then. Now your video frequency is down by a lot and you never talked about Nightmare World ever again, so what am I supposed to think? That the project died and you just don't want to talk about the failure of getting the project anywhere. Why did I expect that last sentence to be true? Given how much you shat on DreamWorld and started Nightmare World more or less out of spite (or as a challenge, doesn't matter), you suddenly stopping on giving Nightmare World updates or even remotely acknowledging it on your TH-cam channel makes it feel like you bit off more than you can chew and your arrogance was completely unfounded. The same with your Earth 2 prototypes, but at least you actually delivered there on your channel.
I disagree. If he did bite off more than he can chew, his "arrogance" would still be completely founded because he did not swindle money out of people by claiming he could do something he can't. He was totally honest about an unfunded community project. That's not even remotely similar to what he was calling out which was people taking money by fraudulently claiming to be able to do something they had no ability to do
I mean, even if you thought the project died... why would you be mad about it? The whole point of it was just to see if a bunch of volunteers could in short order put together something that kinda worked. Lots of things don't work out. I appreciate transparency, but like, I didn't pay for this, nobody got paid for this. Okay, so you only watch the posted videos, you don't follow other stuff. I'm also that person! And I'd practically forgotten this was a thing and was just like "oh!" when I saw the video title pop up. This is a lot of words about how you don't care enough to follow up to then act like you were personally entitled to updates. You can't have both of those things at once, dude. This just comes off so weird and bitter for someone who couldn't muster the tiniest effort to gather information in the meantime.
Personally, I always felt that the Nightmare World "thing" was just to meme on Dreamworld. Once the videos about it stopped and everyone moved on from mocking Dreamworld, I figured the point was made, and that was that. I Never expected Nightmare world to progress any further than that.
I never expected a full game out of this, more an exercise in how these kickstarter crap projects and asset flips function (Badly) The fact that some people thought this was a kickstarter is astounding, let alone that they are also giving you crap about a fun, goofy, love project....
Maybe I was just out of the loop because I thought Nightmare World was simply a running joke to see how little Dream World was doing and now Dream World has somewhat turned a corner it had basically served its purpose lol
Oof, nerve pain. Have and do not want. Here's hoping you know some people who can help you manage it. People like that? They're looking for any excuse, any tar and feathers they can throw on you. Anything they can make it stick and make it sure that you're the bad guy. The clique says it's Your Fault, so it's Your Fault. As for investors? No chance you could manage an invite or two? Trying to get this studio of mine off the ground? It's damned painful and there's been one hell of an empty room for me.
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"do you have any evidence for this kickstarter happening?"
"it came to me in a dream"
No, not a dream.
A nightmare.
Actually I found a kickstarter for Nightmare World. But it's from 2017 and it's a book. Also that same creator running his 15th campaign (all seem to be book/graphic novel related) so that indicates that even if there is a ks campaign with same name that campaign is still not a scam. Also if you look hard enough you can find every kickstarter campaign page, even if said campaign failed or was canceled. So any claim of kickstarter scam would have some evidence, not only word of mouth.
I have concepts of evidence
My bank decided on a random whim that they intend to give me $20 million for no reason. They asked me for proof of this, and I told them I can't remember the details but it definitely happened! 😂
"whats your source senator?"
"My source is i made it the fuck up"
As a formaer member of the first team that went to work on Nighmare World. Yeah. We were all just there of our own accord, at first for goofs on the follies of Dreamworld. Then when things started to come together and started to look kinda neat we felt it could have been a serious project. NO ONE was promised any money. There was no money that was gotten from anywhere for the project. We just did it for fun. I left when I actually came upon a good sum of money elsewhere for other reasons and because I was still working a very busy job during the Covid period. I signed an NDA was the only bit of seriousness towards the end of my tenure.
The only thing I'd like to see is an acknowledgement of everyone who worked on the game during all of its periods if they want to be acknowledged. And even that wouldn't kill me. I got my own projects going on, and life things to worry about something that was fun for a couple of months.
Was the NDA in relation to the game?
@@wordsonthepaige ....? Yes.
@@TheGrimGary Signing an NDA for a volunteer project done on the side for fun is just a little weird
@@wordsonthepaige Is it?
@@wordsonthepaige not if they were in discussions with investors, at which time they were looking to turn their hobby project into an actual job
"This game had a Kickstarer" is the weirdest accusation to make because it would still be on the Kickstarter site if that were true.
I and many others repeatedly asked (on the discord) if there was, or if there was going to be, a kickstarter, because I'd have happily chucked a few quid at the project, but there never was. I seem to recall a time when something was said like "Not at the moment, and we're not sure if there will be, but it'll be in the discord if we do decide to go that route", presumably before they had decided which funding avenue to pursue (it was some time ago so my memory is hazy on the subject).
Also he'd make dozens of videos promoting that. So far we're at... 0?
We would also all know about it, yeah? We'd all be pissed as fuck at Callum, not slightly disappointed that life gets in the way, in that mournful, poetic sort of way. Idk, someone make it sound more poetic, it's 6am.
We just entered an era of being confidently wrong about anything you said. We see our world leaders get everything doing so, so why don't we?
I never expected it to be a full thing. I always took at it "here's the thing you said is hard, and we did that quickly" simply as a counter point
I'll admit I fell off after COVID for a bit until his recent vids about Earth 2, and I always had the impression that it petered out because it was a 100% volunteer project done for fun, and then people got busy.
It sounds like funding a project like that is a nightmare *wink wink*
I never expected you to really attempt to make the actual game in the first place. I always thought it was just to highlight how these kick starter scams work and an idea of minimum progress you'd expect to see when something isn't a scam as a comparison. Seeing the game completed would just be icing on the cake
Well, the thing is that YES, UE5 nanite saved them and anyone that knew UE4 new how impossible Dreamworld would be (what? You want me to DL terrabites of assets before i can even join the server just to have the PC crash? This doesnt work in minecraft... what makes you think it would work in UE4?)
But in the end I said at the start of the drama "this looks like 2 guys that found a way to get money from wallstreet to create their own company. The question now becomes if they can hire the right people with the money" and for sure the drama didnt make it easy.
Looking back you could've taken the that investor money as well and i guess the ironic part here is that mr "i got left at the altar" and "Mr was a google ace" now got a working company even after the "bad press" that made it hard for them to find talent. You could go even harder and say "well, at least they released a game and the "AAA dev project" that wanted to show them how you run a company and build their own popularity of their mistakes didnt make it to the public.
Why do i say this? I've studied industrial management and always have to deal with workers who think that i'm just the office guy that dont understand their work and they dont understand mine. They can create things... but in the end you dont let the welder isnt the one who runs the company. They got players now... by that metric they're doing better than many game studios.
You might be an ace dev... but if you know the HBO show "Silicon Valley" then you know that you might need an Erlich Bachman or Donal "Jared" Dunn if you're Richard Hendrix. Sure, there was no way of telling if we got 2x Erlich Bachmman here... but looking back it is as always the consistently that ends/finshes projects/dreams. People got into the honeymoonphase and enjoyed dunking on two easy targets, this is why you had 20 talanted devs that you could work with and they had nothing but bad PR.
Again... Nanite saved them, but pulling of the AI creation and could that seems to transfer assets is genius and to even get hired at google means something i guess ( i dont think that many would make the interviewphases)
edit: Nice 86GT and I had Ulnar groove syndrome in my left arm... sorry to hear your arm is messed with permanently. I pinched it with the edge of my arm and the desk while watching a movie and didnt notice...took me month to gain back a feeling in my small dinger (feels strange if you press shift/strg with a numb finger...)
@@DreaMeRHoLic Completely unrelated for the most part, but I'm glad you noticed the syndrome relatively early. I went months until I noticed the entire right side of my left hand (directly down the middle, cutoff point was past my ring finger) was numb. Saw a doctor, they did some motor tests with my fingers and immediately came to the conclusion that I needed surgery. One ulnar nerve transposition later (they take the nerve associated with the "funny bone" and moved it somewhere in my arm that wouldn't be compressed by muscles), a ton of physical therapy, and I'm left with about 80% of my original grip strength. Could've been worse, but it progressed too much to prevent permanent damage. Occasionally I get a weird sensation, I call it "phantom numbness". It only lasts as long as I pay attention to it, and it essentially feels like I'm wearing a very thin glove over that half of my hand. There's definitely a mental "trauma" that I don't think will ever entirely go away.
It's served as a great reminder for me to actually pay attention to how I move my body, and when I feel something isn't right. Especially for desk workers, since the symptoms will be aggravated if you're resting your arms incorrectly. WHOEVER READS THIS, DON'T OVERLOOK ERGONOMICS!
Sorry for the ramble, I don't normally see other people who've experienced this. Makes me feel a little better about the whole thing.
Yeah, I cringed a bit when I saw that the community is trying to make a MMORPG from scratch on their free time with no planning or management.
Then again, nothing would get ever done if it wasn't for the foolhardy people who underestimate the effort and overestimate their capabilities :D
I would have never got into software industry if I knew how little I knew when I got my first gig. Oh what an egoistical narcissistic genius I was... is... am... :P
I fully expected it to happen
He said how easy it was
He said he could do it
But now 🤷🏻♂️
@@FizzlNet i mean its true that making an MMORPG is not a wise choice for a first game like I'm NOT a hater nor am I a fan of dream world never have considered ever backing that project but this project is also basically feeling like as much as I hate to say it the day before 1 no fan funding sure nor did the day before they found a publisher to waste their funds instead I'm not invested into this project like at all but I really do not like when people excuse red flags because "youtube auto correct refuses to allow me to add an R to youtube anyhow I think being critical is VERY important and I'm NOT saying they don't have passion for this but passion does NOT equal ability to pull of a MAJOR and I mean MAJOR project that feels in a way made in a mean sprit to another game that is still being worked onthuss devising the already small market even more I just do not see this project as a viable thing not as it is now not for a game people expect and I would prefer calllum not push a broken game out
now we need kira to cover the nightmare world situation
🤣
I unsubbed from Kira once he started reading Wikipedia pages and turning them into videos with stock footage.
@@SeppelSquirrel I'll write a wiki page about nightmare world then
@@SeppelSquirrel God, I thought I was the only one. It just pissed me off watching a guy read. Hopefully that changes soon, because I really liked his content.
@@1990alone You do realise he has two channels... the main one is bigger, higher production videos & the second is more casual, shooting-the-shit about interesting topics.
Thank you for the video. It was nice to get some clarification on what was going on
As someone who has asked in your comment section in the past, thank you so much for making an update und getting all your fans on the same page
Damn, I was looking for Callum to tell us they've changed the game's name to Nightmare Earth 2.
Chronicles of Nightmare Earth 2
& Knuckles
@@GerardMenvussa Colon Citizen of the Stars
Glad to hear not just an update on Nightmare World, but also tackling the misinformation flying around. I haven't really seen any of the misinformation, but I think that's just because I almost never visit Twitter/X. But it's good that you've clarified on what's been going on. Also, good on you for holding by your morals, & not selling out to Web3 garbage. I hope the funding works out for the game, & look forward to what you have in the future.
That is so scary. I am so sorry you went through that, car crashes are terrifying. Shame shame a thousand shames on those people spreading lies and misinformation about you and nightmareworld, especially when you just went through one of the worst things a person can go through. Mad respect for not selling out to crypto/nft bros. I hope you and your devs get funding eventually because the game looks really good so far. I love all the concept art you showed!
Spiteful delusion is a potent mix.
@@vinesauceobscurities Not only a potent mix, but a mix that's becoming increasingly common.
I used to love trolling in comment sections, nowadays that's almost impossible as forums get increasingly toxic, seemingly everyone hates everyone and everything.
Hell, even in game forums it gotten so bad at this point that everything is apparently broken and imbalanced according to a ton of people, let alone daring to give people tipps on how to deal with enemy types that pretty much no one I've seen playing struggles with.
It's so ironic what especially the gaming space has become that it often almost feels like we've entered an alternative reality where TV "Documentaries" about Games making violent and causing mental issues seem to be in the right.
I'd say I miss the times where gaming was a community if I'd not know that it's only a part that causes all the commotion.
Sorry, I just had to get that rant out of my head right now after watching this.
Also if he were gonna "Take the money and run" wouldn't he get a better car (not a car guy, but that photo looks like a sensible mid-range Toyota that will last him a long time, not a Lambo).
@@Unknown_Genius The problem is that what your describing didn't really exist. Sure, there were probably tiny pockets, but gaming discourse has been toxic for as long as the internet has existed.
@@adanufgail What I describe still exists today and is the norm.
I'm not talking about "T-Bagging (which for some reason is toxic nowadays)", Trash talking or other stuff that's "newly toxic" (altho could already result in a ban ages ago) - I'm talking about how gaming is discussed at this point in general and how most discussions go down - which more often than not is delusion above everything else which has seen a massive change in the past ~7 years for the worse. The majority of people still just play their games and don't even participate in those, so if you believe them to be the majority then I got bad news for you: it's the exact same as showcased here: Small groups trying to annoy everyone/spin a narrative or at worst believe what they say.
You know? The part that usually also complains that they got banned from forums for "no reason" by just "giving constructive negative feedback" while a ton of people somehow can do precisely that without getting thrown out, which has become increasingly common.
Same as it has become increasingly common for people to throw their brain away and complain that sequels of live service games don't have as much content + polish + extra features as a game that got supported (and sold tons of mtx to even allow further developement) with constant updates for years.
As a UE game dev myself, I love what you do, bro! I’m a programmer by trade but I’m working on a MMO myself as a solo dev. It’s not easy. I’m using assets because I’m not an artist. Your team is doing amazing.
That's a cool video response. I know it isn't fair that you ended up having to explain things due to rumors spreading accusations but just as a kind gesture i'd advise you that as a public figure with notoriety amongst scammers it is a good practice to never let gaps of information on your projects fester for such a long time. It can end up hurting your image even if it isn't fair to happen.
i went into hibernation for a year or two waiting for nightmareworld content... and i only now find out you were in a car crash.... wowie sounds like a busy couple years HAHA
yeah its been a wild ride haha
@@CallumUpton thats what the driver of the car that hit you said lol sorry
@@biigsmokee hahaha, naa, he was too drunk to say anything at that point
yeah pitfalls of doing grand projects on voulenteer basis... it can just so happen that the incredibly talented people get to use those talents to have a job instead of hobby.
whilst i am sad for the game i am glad that majority if not all of them gotten to turn passion into employment.
thanks for update it is nice to hear it from the leader of the project itself. i was certainly wondering especially after recent DW update Callum did obviously due to their entanglement in concept.
Pretty much what I expected, but glad to hear it's not really dead still! Best of luck Callum
Ty for the update , a bit weird that ppl make up stories for no reason. Hope you're doing fine since the accident
It endlessly entertains me that people will resort to assumptions and misinformation spreading to spite someone, as if that makes their position somehow better.
Sorry to hear about what happened to you and your car, Callum. That can't be a great thing to go through, and I hope you're making the best of things.
It's not even that. Yeah, bad actors exist, people who will spread lies about others just in spite, but what worries me more are the people willing to believe such accusations without even a tiny tiny bit of proof. People I could to to and say to them "this person is horrible, they scam people and kick puppies for fun" and they'd believe me. It's so wild.
not paying particular attention BUT I was aware based on a previous video you put out... something like this was going on. (You did not give many details, as I remember, just that you were looking at options or something to that affect.) Glad to hear your still trying to get this going. I wish you and those that helped get this started the best of luck. If nothing else it was an interesting project to hear about!
It was fun working on NMW in the early stages where we were running around and building stuff. I wish You luck with your other projects/fundings!
Literally was the worst period of time with NFT and blockchain nonsense
It really speaks to why the entire market collapsed after Line Go Up: because none of those "investors" had any idea why they were investing in Web 3 beyond "someone rich said it's the next big thing" not realizing that they were looking to sign up to buy those rich people's bags.
It's purely a courtesy that you made this video. You never asked for any money. IMO you didn't owe us an explanation, but it's a decent move, m8.
Sure, he didn't owe us an explanation, but this project started on TH-cam and then went to every other platform. Many people who watch this channel had no idea what was going on. For most, the reason was simple: "You don't mention NW cause it went belly up, and it would be too embarrassing to admit that, after this was basically started out of spite to the incomptence of DreamWorld and arrogance of being able to do it better."
This is how rumors start, no knowing the community you have.
@@christophsiebert1213 You sound like a dreamworld lackey. I've been watching his vids for quite a while and he's always been pretty upfront about stuff. Calling him arrogant is just your projections. You started off with 'sure, he didn't owe us an explanation', then proceeded to blather on about why he owed us an explanation. Get bent.
I just thought it was a POC to show how easy it is to accomplish the same as DreamWorld, not a real game project
Still looking forward to playing this when it comes out. Being a solo-dev, who wants to be part of a dev-team, and building the kind of game that I want to buy & play, but keeping it low-spec enough that I can reasonably give it out for free and play it on HTML5 browsers, I understand the struggle of just having nothing to show for months and months at a time.
Hey Callum, glad to hear about Nightmare World again. Seeing the start of that project when you taught the Dreamworld devs how to make doors in games and alike was amazing. I definitely won't forget about that nor NMW as a whole. So here's to hoping that one day this project will continue and eventually be finished! :DD
Hey Callum, sorry to hear about your car accident and its consequences. I have been watching your vids since I saw you collab with Mister Dryface (so covid era) and have been wondering why you weren't uploading as much as you used to. I have been on several of your video premiere and always appreciated how you interacted with your audience. I hope things will keep improving for you and looking forward to your next video. Take care.
It's good that we can trust how honestly you and company moved the project along. Sticking to your principles is admirable.
I was around when you first started posting about it and I always took it to be a fun project people were working on as a hobby, maybe to get experience they could bring elsewhere someday, but you never presented it to us in a way that felt like we should expect a final product from. It was always a 'oh how cool!' kind of thing and an interesting look at the development of a project like that, not something I would've thought anyone seriously held you to rights over.
Thank you for the update Callum! I follow your channel more closely than a lot of other people, I'm even in your discord, but I still didn't know what was up with NW. A video like this is the best way of communicating with us :D
info at last! /hj fr tho its great to finally have a proper official word on these things
ngl tho it would be nice to get a “were still alive” msg in the discord every once in a while, even if there is no actual info to be shared
Im glad for the update- but honestly I just genuinely enjoyed the experience at the time, it would have been cool to see more of it- but don’t discount the enjoyment that we all had from it at the time.
To add onto what people have said, but while it's true that the malicious rumours are not your fault, the information gap is.
Keep in mind that you have made a bit of a TH-cam career out of critiquing scam games. When you start your own game , but information just drops out, then you leave malicious actors a great deal of rope with which to hang false rumours. And many people will not pay attention to Discord, streams, or even the TH-cam community posts.
It would have been really easy to make a video say exactly what you said here, that people are working again, you want to pay people an actual salary, and that you're looking for an investor. You could have put the project on hiatus, and then whenever anyone asked, "What happened to Nightmare world," we could point them toward that video.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm glad you finally made this video, and I wish you made it earlier.
lack of clarification was totaly on me, and i'll own it
Dealing with the insane people of the internet is hard. It's good that you created this video to set the record straight instead of continuing to let people just say whatever they want.
Sure man. He "set the record straight" when people were asking for years for updates on the game on his YT channel and discord. He kept on saying the game is still being "worked on" and watch his twitch to see "updates" about the game.
He finally made this video because Dreamworld had updated the game significantly while their game is sitting in the dust.
@@ryuno2097 Source? Because his YT is literally right here and doesn't have any of that.
Thanks for making this video. I never cared about nightmare world becoming a real game or not, but all the comments did make me uneasy. It feels good to have a thorough, proper explanation.
I remember the last video on this topic and I remember you bringing up that you were looking for investors for the project because you didn't want to go into the patreon/kickstarter so claims that you took the money and ran are confounding.
It's axiomatic that one should never do business with friends, so I caution you against having your friend fund the game. Otherwise, good to know all this. Thanks! ❤
I did not have a single day off during the pandemic...... and i live right next to you guys! (netherlands) , im so jealous of countries who have been sat at home for months!
TLDW: Its on hold until they find an investor
thanks.
had to use YCF to find your comment, take my like for visibility.
So he couldn't say that in the discord when people kept on asking if the game is alive.
Thanks for this. Saved me time
I don't get why you people even go on TH-cam when you don't care to watch videos and listen to all the context. Just do a Google search instead next time.
@@OrphanHartI come to TH-cam for answers to questions and useful information. And I got exactly what I came for and it did not require me to watch the video. So I basically won
I'm edit: more sorry for you guys because I'm sure it would have been a great feeling to actually get this game out there, and personally, I was along for the ride, not for the finished product.
As I have said in a comment a while back, what I was disappointed about was the sudden lack of communication (through the "official" channel, at least), after that kind of thing was exactly what you wanted to show how to do with this project. Life happens. Fair enough. I still would have liked at least a 2 minute video saying "no news for a while okbye", but I am glad to have closure now.
Hopefully, things will change again, and anyway... thanks for the content you put out around this project, and thanks edit: to the volunteers who helped create it.
A worrying amount of people are adopting this absolutely idiotic mindset where when they hear something negative, they will continue to believe the negative even after it's disproven.
Some people just flat out do not care about truth. It is pathetic af.
Hey Callum, I’ve just started using Cesium in Unreal Engine. It seems to make the entire Earth 2 project obsolete. Might make a fun video for you to play around in.
Thank you for the clarification. I subscribed specifically because Nightmare world was so fascinating to me, so I am happy to get some news again.
I fancy the idea that one day we all will be able to play this game. I also admire the way you have decided to go forth with all this, for me personally I would enjoy some kind of idea-video collage on what you have been planning for the game. Not so much a dev-log as much as just a collage of ideas that may or may not make it to the game at some point.
Thanks fornthe update. Stay safe, and get better!
sorry you had to make this video. thanks for the update.
I thought the whole project was just a meme...You should have made a giant slide that increases movement to just throw people against a wall...
thanks for the update , really liked the dev footage and thoughts about different systems . wish more projects would release open source , so we can build together rather then everyone building the same thing from scratch over and over .
Callum I think Nietzsche's quote "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." (Beyond Good and Evil, 146) fits this situation a little too well.
Best of luck with everything and please keep the updates coming.
If you're implying he has or will become a "monster" you might want to clarify what that means in this context because it definitely is not obvious on its face
@@Delaterius the monsters name is "A game developer explaining why the project is not going anywhere" Callums explanation seems a lot more voluntary than dream worlds ever did.
@@NegnosDk I think we should keep in mind that what the Dreamworld guys did wrong was misrepresent themselves as having capabilities they did not have in order to take money from people. To say that the Nightmare World team did the same thing is an extreme false equivalency. There is no parallel between the two projects in terms of ethics, and the ethics of the Dreamworld situation is what was being exposed, not the mere fact of it not being completed
Honestly you kind of shoot yourself in the foot by just not saying ANYTHING (in video format anyway) for over a year. This is main reason many people assumed that you just... swept the project under the rug and other silly rumours. Even personally i forgot about it's existence and I bet i'm not the only one.
But hey - no need to swell on the past. Stay strong. Hope you find reasonable investor and not some silly-ass rugpullers (also investors on NFT lol. NFT games look too cheap to require an investor)
Howdy. Forgot Nightmare World was a thing if I'm being honest. lol
Really enjoyed the dev videos. Hopefully you do more in the future for any project you work on.
The absolute massive irony that the project designed to deliver what dreamworld promised, failed… meanwhile dreamworld delivered 😂
It sounds like someone is being disingenuous and making shit up, and some gullible people who don't feel it's necessary to look for any proof before making accusations are falling for this person's shit.
Honestly never expected an actual game, I thought the whole project started to show more depth to 'that' Kickstarter scam, but thank you for the video and I hope this helps everyone to move on and enjoy more of your content outside of Nightmare World and help them to be wary of scams too 🙂
Yeah the people making noise don't expect a game either, they're using it as a "gotcha" because they're so dumb they think that anyone doing anything wrong invalidates everything they've ever said/believed and thus said idiots can continue pumping money into crypto
I demand a refund for the $0.00 that I invested in this!
:P
I am so glad this project isn't dead, it was looking so good even with the very basic early stuff. And I love that fly through of the mushroom area. I really hope things work out.
I never expected a full game to materialize, but it was certainly fascinating how you just gathered up a group of people and made something that was functional. I always thought it was just a lesson on "don't take on things you dont have the capabilities to accomplish".
Living in the Midlands was close enough to Nightmare World anyway
Man I feel like a right fool right now. I never spread disinformation, but I did make a comment about you covering Dreamworld and not Nightmare World as a poor attempt at comedy. Yet I knew you'd been going through some tough stuff... For some reason it didn't get through my noggin that that and COVID might've affected, y'know, your work life. The two things were in completely different places in my head! Thank you for the progress update, you're not obligated but it's much appreciated. Seeking investment is one of the biggest blockers to any business, and I hope it goes well!
We live in a post facts society.
I genuinely never expected it to be finished, I felt it was more like a performance art piece done really well. Hope you don't feel pressured, I don't think the community expects that from you.
If i remember correctly, wasnt this game project started in spite of what Dreamworld showcased as a lot of development they apparently had done? And you surpassed them in such a small amount of time. I havent followed you regularly, and i was sure Nightmare world was left as you had proven the point ("if you complain, why dont you try to make it").
Mad respect that you have kept development on it! Ill def give it a go if you ever release Nightmare world.
Ohhhhh snap! This should answer some of my questions
There never was a kickstarter. Everyone who followed the project knew you weren’t going to do one for reasons you stated. Still would love to see this project come to fruition; I hope you get the funding you need to get Nightmare World 1.0 done.
I just found out about Nightmare World via a Josh Strife Hayes video, Im so sorry to hear you got nerve damage. Car injuries are no joke!
8:03 Would you say, a shadowy cabal?
Ok I like your channel, but I may not have watched EVERY video, so I may have missed one here and there... but since when you PROMISED anything with that fun project ?
As opposed to any of the crypto stuff you have exposed... 🤣😂🤣
So yeah right it's a major difference. Maybe some (many ?) people wanted to play the game, but you never promised anyone a finished game.
That's why I liek you. You do you, you are genuine and you are transparent with everything. Keep on going with the great job, and stay safe out there.
fecking happy to hear your ok and no not everyone reads the comments to much , do a wee 24 hour stream or something with someone raise some money to do a wee bit of part time for you
I always thought it was just a fun side project for you that came from memeing Dream World. I figured if you were still working on it, it would be a while before any real progress could be made as i thought it was a solo project from the start.
Honestly i didnt expect anything, and if there was a game at some point then cool. Idk why anyone would get bent out of shape over this, seriously.
Had no idea people were getting so weird over this. Glad to hear the project isn't dead.
I don't blame you, usually I only need one job to keep me afloat but now I have three.
My hobby was my second job, but now I had to relegate it for the last year.
What I didn't expect was my friend circles to be halved because a lot of "friends" said I should sacrifice my job for my hobbies.
There is a very weird thing I'm starting to see more and more where normal people, not even malicious folks, will skim over a comment or half-listen to a video, and then say the thing they *think* they heard as though it was God's absolute honest truth. They don't question the source, they don't question if they misunderstood, sometimes they even fill in details that weren't present in the original? Like it doesn't even occur to some people that you can't just... rewrite reality this way?
It's like they don't think anybody in their phone/tablet is a real human, and this is all about joining a team and scoring points now instead of establishing what really happened.
Also please if you ever rugpull on a project, promise you'll do it for something more than Toyota money. 😆
You took it as far as you could. Who knows? It may pick up traction in the future with some angel investor or more time. Don't worry about the twats in the peanut gallery throwing shade on you - we all get trolled from time to time.
NGL, I somewhat forgot this was even a thing, but instantly hit me when I saw the thumbnail.😉
Background clips look great so far. Sadly can't provide any big investments, but feel free to hit me up once you get far enough that localization would be something to think about, as we do both MMOs and indie titles.
> Investors asked about our Web 3 strategy.
Me: Urrrrghh
> They asked about NFTs
Me: UUUURRRRGGGGHHHHHH stop!
I like the concept of this game and hopefully can play it in the future. I would certainly support it.
We gonna get Dream World before Nightmare World. We're living in weird times
Approx 4:3 aspect ratio from the start gives me big retro nostalgia!
What? On hiatus?! WHAT ABOUT MY INVESTME-... oh, I didn't invest anything and i'm not out anything? Oh well nevermind then, all of my anger and rage is misplaced :) In all due seriousness though, the fact that you did as much as you have is legitimately inspiring, and I truly respect the work you're putting in to proceed FAIRLY and PROPERLY, as well as your commitment to give the finger to NFT and crypto / web3 con artists.
I'm happy to follow your progress and your videos.
Wow this whole thing has been a world of nightmares for you
Let’s finish it!
It's crazy how Dream World is now the better game of the 2 because they finally started to take their game seriously to make up for their Kickstarter scam while Nightmare World is paused because it's a passion project without a Kickstarter, so it could be abandoned without it ever becoming a scam if there's no outside investment.
A... kickstarter... Yeah no, I have been here from day one when the whole Nightmare World idea came up. There never was a Kickstarter. It was always a fun and hobbyist project from the start. The only thing Callum asked for was if anyone wanted to join in because they could need position XYZ in the project. I also checked out the discord because I was initially interested in maybe participating, but it was always just that hobbyist/meme project in reaction to Dreamworld and scams and rugpull games. The talks about a sponsor for the project to continue it more seriously only came much later and more or less of the end of the last videos.
Thank you for the transparency
Funding is hard, especially nowadays.
Publishers only fund small projects under 500k usd because it’s low risk with a small chance of high rewards or big projects above 10 millions with big names who left their company to create their own studio.
Nightmare world is probably between those 2 figures, I don’t know the scope you planned but I’d say you are looking at 3 to 5 millions.
Tbh surprised you found willing investors in the first place, because a game like that costs a lot (reasonable wages would put costs per year already above 500k for a team of 20) and given the current state of gaming it is very high risk.
Also this could possibly be a good learning experience for people to understand how costs work and how that does affect development and management decisions.
In the case you want to make that game, make sure it actually has something special that sets it apart from the rest. "Nightmare"... I saw a platformer which was quite interesting, it was like a common Mario-style game, but at some point everything turned into a nightmare version. The atmosphere changed, the music changed, and creatures changed into something where their bodies were stretched high and looked gruesome. I think the idea has a lot of potential, and something like that could be adapted into a RGP too.
I really haven't seen crypto/NFT being pushed into gaming anymore. Is that pretty much dead? VCs finally actually did the market research and learned the target audience is too small?
Only took them several years lol.
You definitely should have titled this, "THE NIGHTMARE SITUATION IS CRAAAAAAZZYY!!!"
Well with Nightmare World on hold for now is a good thing as you cand people involved can come up with some good ideas and figure out a few things too. Let's hope that the investors scene changes for the better.
7:50 I said it under the community post as well and repeat it here: Nightmare World started out as a project from your TH-cam videos. Updates on hour-long streams on Twitch or Discord do not reach the main audience the project started out with. I also don't expect multiple paragraphs of a comment explaining the Nightmare World state under a video that had nothing to do with Nightmare World.
I'm a TH-cam watcher. I found your channel with DreamWorld and followed your TH-cam channel for videos. I generally have no interest in streams (not you specifically, just in general) and I'm already on enough other Discord servers that pertain to my hobbies (gaming, Genshin Impact, and reverse engineering/game modding) I can't afford to join Discord servers for every TH-camr I watch, so I didn't join yours.
And I'd say I was one of the core audience back then. Now your video frequency is down by a lot and you never talked about Nightmare World ever again, so what am I supposed to think? That the project died and you just don't want to talk about the failure of getting the project anywhere. Why did I expect that last sentence to be true? Given how much you shat on DreamWorld and started Nightmare World more or less out of spite (or as a challenge, doesn't matter), you suddenly stopping on giving Nightmare World updates or even remotely acknowledging it on your TH-cam channel makes it feel like you bit off more than you can chew and your arrogance was completely unfounded. The same with your Earth 2 prototypes, but at least you actually delivered there on your channel.
I disagree. If he did bite off more than he can chew, his "arrogance" would still be completely founded because he did not swindle money out of people by claiming he could do something he can't. He was totally honest about an unfunded community project. That's not even remotely similar to what he was calling out which was people taking money by fraudulently claiming to be able to do something they had no ability to do
I mean, even if you thought the project died... why would you be mad about it? The whole point of it was just to see if a bunch of volunteers could in short order put together something that kinda worked. Lots of things don't work out. I appreciate transparency, but like, I didn't pay for this, nobody got paid for this.
Okay, so you only watch the posted videos, you don't follow other stuff. I'm also that person! And I'd practically forgotten this was a thing and was just like "oh!" when I saw the video title pop up. This is a lot of words about how you don't care enough to follow up to then act like you were personally entitled to updates. You can't have both of those things at once, dude. This just comes off so weird and bitter for someone who couldn't muster the tiniest effort to gather information in the meantime.
Personally, I always felt that the Nightmare World "thing" was just to meme on Dreamworld. Once the videos about it stopped and everyone moved on from mocking Dreamworld, I figured the point was made, and that was that. I Never expected Nightmare world to progress any further than that.
thanks for the update 👍
Its never shady when someone says that their source is "Trust me, bro!"
We're living in it.
I never expected a full game out of this, more an exercise in how these kickstarter crap projects and asset flips function (Badly)
The fact that some people thought this was a kickstarter is astounding, let alone that they are also giving you crap about a fun, goofy, love project....
Some people are insane, god damn
Maybe I was just out of the loop because I thought Nightmare World was simply a running joke to see how little Dream World was doing and now Dream World has somewhat turned a corner it had basically served its purpose lol
Oof, nerve pain. Have and do not want. Here's hoping you know some people who can help you manage it.
People like that? They're looking for any excuse, any tar and feathers they can throw on you. Anything they can make it stick and make it sure that you're the bad guy. The clique says it's Your Fault, so it's Your Fault.
As for investors? No chance you could manage an invite or two? Trying to get this studio of mine off the ground? It's damned painful and there's been one hell of an empty room for me.