Gary Gygax Was... Woke?
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- The people who claim OSR D&D lacked "diversity and inclusion" are just telling on themselves. They never actually played it. Allow me to use the first campaign setting ever published, the World of Greyhawk, written by Gary Gygax himself, to demonstrate.
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If I had dollar for every time people who use the word woke came up with a definition and stuck with it I'd have 0 dollars.
In all fairness, pretty much every word in politics means different things to different people. Liberal. Conservative. Choice. Democracy. Fascism. Woman.
Is.
But I think it's fair and reasonable to assume that most people watching this video will be smart enough to understand what I'm talking about. And if one or two people don't? Then they are either being willfully ignorant or they are very, very stupid. Either way, I don't value their opinions.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 Well now to be fair, that all depends on what your definition of "is" is.
My favourite table in AD&D is the "RACIAL PREFERENCES TABLE" (p18). The horror of finding out that your game is just like the real world ;0
More than the prostitutes table?
Modern d&d is a pathetic excuse.
That was always so painful to me, to think dwarves intrinsically hated elves or whatever it was, and in retrospect a good thing. Fiction is supposed to point out our follies. I often think back to the idea of a lawful evil society, which I thought was just too absurd, a society with laws to favor the strong abusing the weak - Oh boy did I have a rude awakening coming.
@@strawpiglet 😂
What made (A)D&D "fantasy" was the invention of other alignments besides LE...
@@martinfiedler4317 I don't think so, only for them existing in ruling classes :)
In the 1980s my gaming table was a veritable rainbow of diversity. Any given weekend, we had guys, girls, at least three gay or trans people, native, white, Hispanic, Asian, and black people. No one ever mentioned racism or real world politics. We all wanted to put that aside and come together to kill imaginary dragons. We never needed a label and we just wanted to have fun. Gaming in the 1980s MADE me more diverse, accepting, and understanding of other people and who they were.
When I started playing in '78, the D&D community was a damn sausage party. It's not that we didn't WANT girls in the group, but back in 1978, playing D&D just wasn't something high school girls did.
But my table was still pretty diverse considering the setting. I went to a fancy pants parochoal private school that was like 90% WASP, but my regular 6 players included a black kid, an Iranian, and two Jews.
No girls, though. Damn I wish we had more than a tiny handful of girls playing D&D back then.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 I will admit, all girls in the group started as girlfriends of some of the guys who were already playing. I met my wife as a friend of a friend at a game in 1992, and been gaming every week since. :) But yeah, especially in 1980-85, it was a sausage fest for us too. It wasn't until the late 80s we got some girls in the group.
@volairn70 About the same for me. First lady to sit at my table was in just after college, so... 1985? She just showed up at the gamestore and asked to join. She wanted to try the game, but she didn't want her friends to know. Especially, apparently, the boys. Ironically, she married one of the other players.
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@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 I'm happy everything is good and your better half is on the bounce back.....Be Well!
So, I quickly peruse the trigger warning list and misread one item as "witch prostitution".
I am sure it is still a fun game without it.
I would totally have added "witch prostitution" if I had thought of it.
Glamour is a useful spell for that...
Also, Growth: for her pleasure...
The witch scene in Conan the barbarian movie jumped to mind when I read that. Lol
I'm suspicious that the motive is clearing away old editions to sell new editions. By turning youngsters on the old players who hang onto the old editions and have established seats as GMs. That would be severe ageism, and they'd be using young folk as their pressure group and unwitting participants in clearing away the old folk. I definitely have been age canceled and the truth is, I don't want to host hostile guests who keep disrupting play either.
I'm pretty sure of it. It's a marketing strategy. By villainizing older players as bigots they can keep the player base divided. OSR gamers are already a lost cause, as far as Wizards is concerned. If the players of various editions started mingling the young folks might realize what they've been missing out on!!!
You sold me on Greyhawk. It's on the must buy list now.
I have to say that I’m highly tempted as well….
Imo Greyhawk is baked into DnD.. especially ADnD but also all editions. Most other settings are just slight modifications to Greyhawk (usually not for the better). If you play in a setting with dwarves, elves, halflings that cast any spells in a "vancian" created by Bigby, Mordenkainen, Melf etc you are playing a homebrew of Greyhawk already.
Greyhawk and the DnD rules are married together in a way that really makes it sing in way other settings don't capture. Just my opinion.
Greayhawk is my favorite of the generic settings and 3rd over all behind Jakandor and Planescape!
Your reading of the disclaimer makes me so freaking happy LOL
I won't play any of the new garbage with "woke" themes. My Orcs would eat you before talking to you.
That was a very nice video. I've DMed DND for a little bit more than 35 years and never played in grey hawk. Strangely I never gave much thought to the origins of Toril. I wonder if they have an history explaining the races locations on the map.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm inclined to doubt that there are any meaningful ethnic treatises of the later settings. While the Wokanic Panic is a relatively new social movement, corporations have always been terrified of broaching the subject of race. There is certainly nothing about it in my 3E forgotten realms setting.
"...looking right at you Rings-of-Power..." cannot help myself have to push the like button even before the vid ended
I only got through 2 episodes, at first. A few minutes into episode 3 I went downstairs to get a drink and just never turned it back on.
I finally hate-watched the rest when I was bedridden with COVID.
RoP was the worst written show I have ever seen.
I recently played the PC Version of Shadow of Mordor and the sequel. Awesome Lord of the Ring content, especially because it takes a fan-fictiony look at parts of the world and story not covered by the books.
G'Day there mate. I saw this video in my recommended feed, and Decided to give it a watch. I think you have nailed it right on the head. The False Dichotomy between Left and Right, Wokism and Anti-Wokism. There are too many sides to join just one. Well Spoken Sir!
I think the main problem is it went from tolerance to acceptance to acceptance or else.
That's deliberate. The best way to keep the middle class from uniting behind their common interests is to keep them divided by exploiting vapid identitarian factions. Race. Gender. Sexual identity. These are all meaningless divisions, but somehow, agent provocateurs on both sides of the corporate body politic have persuaded us that THESE are the issues that really matter.
Not Healthcare. Not inflation.
NOT housing. Not education. Not civil rights. Not clean water...
Not war.
Pronouns. THAT'S the grand issue of the day.
Idiots.
Great video. If you want to make broad statements that mean nothing and get people upset it's important to use a label like 'woke' that has no real meaning. This is the dictionary definition of woke.
'aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)'
It is a label that is just pure nonsense.
There are people who say things that are outright offensive and disrespectful and when someone calls them out for it they label the person pointing out that they're acting in an obnoxious way as 'woke'. It's just an excuse for being obnoxious.
On the other side labeling people as nazis or fascists doesn't help either.
I have not seen "Rings of Power", but i loved your 'endorsement'.
its terrible.
@@darkhighwayman1757 Worst writing I have EVER seen. And if you're a Tolkien geek, don't even subject yourself to the rage you're going to feel when you see how they pissed all over the lore.
You can't wake people who are pretending to be asleep.
Which is why I am not really trying to persuade these wokescolds of anything. There's no point. They are choosing to be divisive. It's what they want. They have made a conscious choice to put their own self-aggrandizement before fomenting any actual change. But I do have hope that the normies in the middle can be persuaded to stop listening to them.
You can't wake up those too brainwashed to comprehend and those who can't handle the truth.
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Well put---Greyhawk is still my favorite published worlds for AD&D. I was only a touched confused because when you mentioned the Aerds I was wondering if you were discussing the Oeridians? Then I remembered that the Aeridi were the Oeridians who settled the Great Kingdom---confusion cleared up.
I think we agree but I take an academic approach. "Wokeness" is the attempted antithesis of the Westphalian System & Westphalian Sovereign Philosophy. However it falls short of actually opposing it. Accusations of "Nazis" & Fascists from people who can't define either & don't know who Giovanni Gentile, Julius Evola, Francis Parker Yockey, Corneliu Codreanu, Oswald Mosely, Oswald Spengler, Father Charles Coughlin (US fascist coined "SJW") , or Gregor Strasser (Strasserism) etc etc were are meaningless.
Just 3 minutes in. EXACTLY. I also find both sides to be pretty much full of it. That's because no one is willing to take the time to "listen" to "the other side". They only listen to "their side" and are thus "convinced" that "the other side" are all a bunch of raving lunatics and morons, when in fact there are raving lunatics and morons on both sides, as well as educated and reasonable people on both sides too, but try explaining that to a partisan liberal or conservative. I'm done trying to argue with people anymore. Believe what you want. When has the world ever agreed on issues to any large extent. People love to argue and criticize. I guess it's human nature, which is why I always say... "I'm 'always' right" 😎😃😱😏🙂
Now 6 minutes in and I'm still in complete agreement with you. Thank you for making this video. I just shared it on fb. Doubt anyone will take the time to listen to any of it though, but that's ok. Human nature is what it is, and I doubt it'll ever change... but who knows : )
Best. Comment. Ever.
Thanks
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 why thank you. I hope you'll check out my narration of my D&D novel that I wrote, and narrated on my channel. I believe I mentioned it to you before, but if I didn't, I did now : )
I just recently finished Book Two, and my narration is also on my channel.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 why thank you. That's really nice to hear. I wrote a D&D novel (two books now) and narrated them on my channel. I'd love to hear your thoughts on them. I don't remember if I mentioned this to you before, but if not, I just did now : )
Now I just need a Publisher : )
happy to see you're still making videos
I will continue to, very occasionally, produce more.
Scourge of Worlds was set in Greyhawk I believe.
You mispronounced "rainbow capitalism"
Awesome video, thanks for sharing common sense and wisdom.
I loved that world setting. It was the first one that I and my young friends back in the late 70's explored.
Hey, you promised me that I'd be pissed off by your response and I'm not!
I feel robbed!
I want the piss-off I was promised!
Sorry. Gimme a sub and I'll try harder next time.
Already subbed you inoffensive bastard! :P
In the 1990s MTG released its first and only African themed set, Visions and Mirage, yet Richard Garfield still gets no credit for being a trailblazer. People don't realize that prior to 2000s writers had way more interest in non-western settings and were really branching out. There were attempts to include more African and Polynesian mythology and fantasy rpgs and card games. An awesome thing about the era is that you could learn a lot about mythology, cultures, and history just by playing fantasy games.
The narrative that fantasy and gaming media was racist back then is a fabrication of the corporate media who are looking for a reason to dismiss older materials. It's a way to kick out the gaming old guard who always had a fascination with history and mythology, and pretend like they're innovating on treaded ground; while it was actually corporate media that lacked diversity and sensitivity. Corporations like this form of virtue signaling because ethno-nationalism is cheap and divides the working class... oddly themes about _labor_ _struggle_ don't get nearly as much mileage.
I used to be heavily involved in left-wing organizing. The wokescolds were the bane of my life. They remind me of rabid right-wingers, as tribalistic identity politics defines both groups. Your assessment of them is spot-on, their outrage is just a vehicle for their own self-promotion, they distract from issues and policies that would benefit the working class broadly and steer them to their own bizarro ethno-nationalism. Some people say "do X because God said so", but what they really mean is "do X because _I_ said so", and this is the left-wing version of that. "Do X because POCs said so"; someone needs to have the moral courage to call them out on what they're _really_ saying.
AMEN!
I agree with 95% of what you said and was not upset at all by anything you said.
Kinda glad to hear it. I'll try harder next time.
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Very well said, friend. I have lamented this crap and how it has infiltrated our popular culture for some time. You have earned a subscriber.
Crap? "Woke" means "respectful of others and inclusive of difference". That's all it means. It means being a decent person.
Welcome back! Here's to a fast and full recovery for your wife... 🙏
Thanks so much. Your thoughts and prayers are sincerely appreciated.
Actions used to speak louder than words, now it's not the world we live in anymore...
Amen.
When I saw the map I first thought .. That looks like Ancient Greece and Persia of course every race has a place there
3:18 Yeah, no, I wholeheartedly agree.
Haha, right at your opening you nailed it. Identity politics were invented to divide and take down populist movements, and it works really, really well.
They can certainly be weaponized that way. I think all communities have some sort of unique specific issues they may face that others may not experience or be aware of. That just sort of happens with us as we're social creatures and dynamics change from area to area, ethnicity, etc. All factors in perception, and we can all have blindspots. Conversations should be encouraged and I think the internet makes it too easy to either be what people on the left have referred to as "woke scolds" ie people that do weaponize identity politics and use it as a moral cudgel, or people on the right who are downright racist.
@@strengthmonk I don't associate Woke with being aware. Woke is about restriction, censoring, shaming, dividing, hating, and projection. It's the new conservative puritanical "left", the mirror of the conservative puritanical "right", and the sexist, racist left, mirror of the sexist, racist right.
For years and years I tried to figure out the fundamental difference in psychology between so-called left and right, and finally I got it. There is none. It's just whoever gets power turns into the douchebag. It's that old notion that the Democrat becomes a Republican when he makes money. Sorry if this rant feels harsh and cynical. It's not, it's just reality. I hope after all this comes the real awakening.
Or the racists on the Left who say you can't vote the way you want to or "you ain't black".
@@strengthmonk I take comfort in the fact that both groups are an obvious minority. They're both just REALLY LOUD.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 same here!
How refreshing.
Welcome back!
Thanks. Family is all in good health. Kids are back in school. Hopefully I'll be able to make a few more fun vids before WotC shoots itself in the foot, again.
Magnificent.
Love your trigger warning!!
You miscalculation was the same as trying to take PCs prisoner in game and for the same reason. They will resist 99/100.
Great Video -Carlee
its called flaness because it isnt dragonlance...
amen
Well, you said you were going to piss me off, but ... nope. In fact, I actually had to stop the video for a moment because I was too busy laughing at "Spare me your stupid!" (Maybe you should put that on t-shirts and mugs. That sounds like something which should be on the side of a very large cup of morning coffee.) Anyway, great video!
LoL!!! Not sure I'm quite ready to support a merch shop, but when I am I will certainly make that a mug.
“Woke” is absolute nonsense. D&D was always open to anyone and everyone.
Always.
I started playing in the late 70's. Not many people played, it was really only white males and a very few women. It really didn't explode until some groups start posting very slick production pieces to appeal to the masses.
I played in the 80's and 90's@@sebbonxxsebbon6824
It's not just production values. There's a pretty well-established process for converting an IP over to mainstream audiences. It doesn't really matter what the medium is... Video games, movies, ttrpgs... The process is the same. Dumb it down. Glitz it up. Orient it towards casual users. Place the product in other popular media. Big Bang Theory. Stranger Things.
Of course, this usually means leaving the IPs smaller, existing niche audience behind, but they don't care. This might impact the long-term longevity of the IP, but they don't care about that either. Corporations don't concern themselves with long-term strategies. They only care about short term growth. Next quarter's profits will likely be someone else's problem.
Unfortunately that means we've also welcomed people that don't really care about D&D.
You're the best.
I am?
Damn... The bar's gotten low. ;)
Old man yells at cloud
What does that make you?
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 Take a nap grandpa.
@@doble_20 I love how wokescolds are all about "diversity" and "inclusion" right up until an old person walks by.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 Well, you are grumpy, old and a grognard, so no disappointments there.
What the hell else were you expecting? A pretty girl with a fetish for online keyboard warriors?
TSR
I recently brought a big Greyhawk map from etsy. Shipped all the way to New Zealand. Now framed on my wall. Playing in a 1e game set between Vesve Forest and the Clatspurs.
I could not agree more, virtue signaling BS , all compassion and pragmatism has been lost on people
Woke has nothing to do with me. It never did. I'm white & straight. I was born that way. Certain media will have you thinking that some of us have to apologize for being ourselves. When they took the term "Race" out of D&D, they lost me.
I hear you. I don't think it's as simple as all that, but I'm also quite tired of apologizing for being what I am. It's pointless. People demanding a public display of self-loathing aren't usually the kind of person that can reasonably persuaded. Besides, time spent trying to persuade people that you aren't what they think you are only gets in the way of you being what you need to be.
No.
Sorry now I'll watch the video.
EDIT: Heh Gary clearly got the last laugh with those idiots!
That made me feel much happier!
Don't let facts get in the way of a good lie.
To tell the truth, Wizards of the Woke is not pushing Dungeons and Dragons anymore. Their game has so many changes to the technical aspect of "Dungeons and Dragons" that is is effectively not even the same product. When they decided to merge Paizo, and TSR, they changed the product. It is no longer Dungeons and Dragons. That to me is why our old school TSR will stay on top. Our games were always diverse. Our games were always inclusive. We were the ones that brought in the kids that didn't have a clique, or didn't have friends. We were the ones who would try a character, just for the hell of it to say we tried it.
So when the next time one of these nut jobs comes at you with both barrels, tell them to stuff it.
When you are at your table with a fighter, a ranger, a thief, and a cleric, THAT is what matter.
You have players, and a DM. Time to get into the adventure.
I actually did a whole video about that. What is D&D?
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3.5 was pretty solid. I never saw the need to move past it. But my favorite system was one called Earth Dawn
hehe,,, well said :-))
Lol wait so Gary put the evil pasty people in the far south and the dark people in the north? Interesting choice :D Still nice to know he was ahead of the curve.
Yup.
Exactly i have been the guy on the center left forever saying we as a group are just pushing people into the arms of the nazis and racists by not fighting with arguments instead of canceling.
And the powers that be consider that a feature, not a bug.
What's the opposite of fascism again?
>freedom, goodness, progress, liberty, demo-
No, it's divide and conquer.
So I guess democracy does qualify, but not in the way people use it.
And no, noone is pushing people into the arms nazis, or else, who pushed the nazis into the arms of nazis?
I know that Jews for example really really want everyone who dislikes them to be portrayed as being ensorcelled by Austrian painters, but they themselves have plenty of aspect that anyone with a fiber for goodness and humanity might find unsavory.
Circumcision, aka, well YT doesn't like it when the true nature of that procedure is written, and no, it's not "harmless" or you'd be able to cheer and go "Cut him again!" but that'd be antisemitic too.
The way they prepare livestock for meat processing. The fact that they celebrate the dying of the firstborn of Egypt, the deaths of Persians, the refusal to integrate into the Seleucid culture that hosted them and having their hosts completely merked instead.
The fact that some form of Abrahamism has displaced the folklore, religion and culture of over 75% of all ethnic groups !! in the world and then call others colonizers (even though they spreaded Abrahamism and wouldn't perhaps have even gone anywhere if it weren't a missionary faith)
Etc.
Does that require an austrian painter? No.
But you do have a point by virtue of people disregarding this willfully, because they fear being ostracised etc if they don't oppose it (aka, me saying all of this is harmless in comparison to the risks you pile onto yourself by not combating me over it) THAT makes them look more appealing.
But otherwise, no.
I've considered myself a "leftist" since I could vote. I've been a registered Democrat forever. Imagine my surprise when I've been called an "alt-right Nazi" by people further left than I am online. I haven't moved, but people left of me have gone further left, and people right of me have gone further right. And as someone on the left, I find nobody wants to talk about things that actually matter anymore. Nobody wants to talk about income inequality that's as bad as it's been since just before the Great Depression. Nobody wants to talk about how we spend more per capita on objectively worse healthcare than any other developed country. Nobody wants to talk about the huge problem we have with mental health or how we have orders of magnitude more mass shootings here every year than any other developed country. It's extremely frustrating.
@The8bitbeard on the income inequality honestly I think we are just back to the normal for a human society the only reason I think that ever changed is because of rapid technology growth and industrialization. But that is gone now its back to a slow steady crawl, the honest, but hard truth is with how many humans exist now, it can never be equal. It's just gonna get worse. My main gripe with the left is the free speech issues you ridicule and laugh at bigots, maybe even change some minds not cancel them.
Dawg... I get called an alt right nazi by people to my RIGHT. WAYYYY to my right.
100% in agreement, man.
Woke isn't about acceptance my brotha. It's about them pushing their views into things that have nothing to do with them.
Nah. "Woke" is a neoliberal divide-and-conquer strategy. As long as the peasants are arguing about ANYTHING other than "class" the donor class is happy.
But hey... It works.
Or maybe I'm just crazy. Your call.
Nice rant!
Yeah. I can't help noticing that the best performing videos on my channel are usually the ones I do after-hours. Way after-hours. Usually after a drink or two.
I highly doubt any of Hasbro's "game designers" actually play with any rules past 3.5
Screw Hasbro!
W = BS. Nope. Not Upset at all. On the contrary. This is where I liked and subscribed :) 1330 right there thats me :)
I HATE LOVECRAFT When I Play D&D. THAT'S WHY I DON'T PLAY ANYMORE DUNGEONS AND DRACKEN.
-1ea.
You mention making sure everyone has enough food. Surely that is part of social justice?
That depends how far up your ass you keep your head. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority don't need a wine glass to huff their farts.
For his time? Yes.
"Awakening is not changing who you are, but discarding who you are not." --Deepak Chopra
I don’t have a problem with progress. But diversity and inclusion has been turned into exclusion.. Anti-white anti-male, anti-Christian anti-patriotism. Agenda.. when you have people saying there’s too many white people in this or that that’s a problem. When the game of dungeons and dragons becomes a battleground because some stupid ass thinks that or or standings for Black people. That would make you a racist that you see or and you connected to a black person.. miniature set come out and most of the characters in it are women or minorities and almost none or white males. That’s a problem.. I’m 100% behind people being able to get a character to suit their desires. But not at the exclusion of other people.. All people of all colors nationalities in both sexes are all equals. But when you destroy entertainment to push a narrative. When you feel the need to race or sex bend existing characters and properties then the racial problem is yours. And anyone that wants to stand on the side of the woke you’re a part of the problem. You enable activists that don’t give a damn about the game movie TV show or what have you to use it as a disposable platform to push their own political and social agendas with no regard for what they destroy or who they hurt. This guy and people like him that refused to take a proper stance.. for either side. You’re like the people that sit on trains watching people get attacked and doing nothing but filming it on their phones. You may not be committing the crime.. But you’re guilty of allowing it to happen
I'm not really seeing it. Not in my life. Nobody has the power to exclude me from anything I want to be a part of, any more than I have the power to exclude them from anything more than MY table.
I don't understand why people equivocate, like you do here.
Both sides are clearly not the same.
As evidenced by this very video.
As for this idea of "anti-woke" claiming that Gygax wouldn't have made a "diverse" background, or that there weren't or couldn't be any.
I reject that whole heartedly.
I and many on our side, don't want forced diversity. That is how you get ROP and Wheel of Time and The Witcher.
Of course you will have people's of different racial and ethnic groups. Of course they will interact and fight and love. But will it make sense? The why's and hows are important and make great drama for any good campaign.
Note, the anti-woke "were" willing to talk. Now we are just protecting our hobbies. Due to the bad faith of the lefties/socialist.
Yes, there are politics involved, because it is the source of the beliefs of the woke crowd.
Ignore that at your own parral.
Excuse me for thinking stuff like reducing corporate control of government, putting an end to regime change wars, getting better wages for workers, and healthcare for the poor is more important than fighting the noble cause of...
Getting rid of shitty TV?
Look... I get where you're coming from. It pisses me off too. That's why I made this video.
But dude... Nobody has the power to change the games you run, and they can't make you buy their shitty games or watch their shitty TV shows.
Keep shit in perspective. There is more important stuff going on in the world and addressing them is going to require ALL OF US being willing to work together. We need to talk to each other, We need to compromise with each other, even if we don't like each other. The whole reason these corporations are pushing wokeism is because it keeps us squabbling with each other and refusing to work with each other over our common interests (and we DO have common interests). I, for one, and not willing to be manipulated like that over something as silly as someone's pronouns.
First of all, I didn't disagree with your position on corporations. I do think you are leaving out an important factor.
Those corpos use the news AND entertainment as part of their manipulation. At every level.
As the great Andrew Breitbart used to say. "Politics is downstream or culture".
Not a perfect metaphor, but true.
How do you think we ended up here? By pure power and greed? Hollywood, toys, comics, and yes gaming, have had all the major companies taken over by the same corporate interest pushing ESG and DEI.
Tell me, where do you go, when everything is controlled by wef and their backers?
Yes, WE control OUR gaming table. But by our very nature as GenZ, we don't force others to conform to our ideals.
This is how we lost a generation to governmental and corporate control. And is why wotc and paizo both push the racist idea that orcs are "coded" as black people.
Why? To claim GenZ and our parents were all a bunch of bugots.
So, tell me why our entertainment isn't important again.
By the, I mostly agree with you, and none if my points are meant as an attack.
Almost forgot to make this point.
It is fine to compromise... IF in doing so, you do not give up your ideals. Never give up your arguments just to get along. It will only lead to losing.
What is your argument for what you believe, if you are willing to give up on the core of what you believe.
You can see this played out across the US. Where conservatives held fast to their convictions, those states are doing well and some are thriving.
States were conservatives compromised or gave up, are falling apart.
It's not about "getting along," dawg. It's about getting things done. Building coalitions with people you don't like because you share a common interest isn't how you "get along." It's a soul crushing compromise you make because it's literally the only way to get things done in a democracy... Especially for people like me who don't generally like people (and doubly so for countries like mine where democracy is being actively sabotaged by the ruling class).
The 2nd protects the 1st.
Did you think I was kidding when I said this was going to piss you off?
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 The Swamp is deep and full of terrors...
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I think you got it all wrong about the disclaimer you read on DTRPG. Thats on all their legacy content I believe up to 4th edition. Its a general "there might be some shite in here" without having to edit it but still being able to sell it. Its not specific to greyhawk. I dont think anyone believes you to be a worse person for reading or playing with that disclaimer. No need to be so angry about it.
No. It's about shaming people into buying their shitty new content and pandering to their 5E wokescold customer base. That's all. If they could, they would pull all the old stuff off the shelves and squash the OSR, but they can't because that would mean surrendering market share to the retroclones. Their only hope for keeping the 5E players involved with their low quality, high cost modern products is to continue to pander to the Wokescolds and nurture the rift between them and the older generations that built the city they live in.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 But what's... _wrong_ with saying "hey, some stuff in here might not hold up to date on our current way of doing things. Enjoy!"? I mean there might be some things they do not wish to endorse. An eye-rolling way some of the art depicts "exotic" styles and natives here, some broad generalizations of ethnical characteristics there etc. Varies from book to book. You might think they are not such a big issue, but then neither is the disclaimer. I think they do well to cover their *ss.
I don't think the kind of people who are looking and or interested in these books in the first place are realistically _shamed out_ of buying them just by reading a small paragraph🤔
It seems to me you are more offended by the mere _idea_ that anything could be objectable in these books you cheerish, than by the actual effect these measures have.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 If they could make money off of the stuff they are labeling racist and you shouldn't buy it they would in a heartbeat.
@@Rodrigo_VegaThere's the part where they don't put the disclaimer on any of the 5e stuff, including the books they've erata'd from the first 4-5 years of the edition which contained exactly the sort of thing that they're acting like they're above, despite the staff that worked on those books still employed by wotc to write and edit books. I wouldn't have a problem if they just blanket disclaimered everything including the new books and ignored people whining about being "offended" if thats the majority of their presence online is just finding x to be "upset" about.
@@Rodrigo_Vega whats wrong with having fantasy races and cultures that are disgusting to IRL culture? Like people imagine/read about a fantasy race, their culture and be disgusted about it and not need to boycot the product because it exists? It's in a fantasy setting for you to play with the concepts, it doesn't mean the writer shares the views of that race or think they are ok.
"wokism" bro you're just telling on yourself
Phht. I know self-righteous religious fanatics when I see them. The word suits you perfectly.
Wokism is bull$hit! My hubby had been saying the same thing for years about the bickering and virtue signaling. I have been married to him for 27 years because he says things I agree with. God bless you for being another sane voice in this.
6 minutes in, I agree with some of your points. I think maybe you misunderstand trans issues and I'd encourage you to maybe go beyond that a bit and maybe talk with some trans people about their experiences. The bathroom thing is an overblown media hype fest. Trans people have been using whatever bathroom they're comfortable with for decades at this point and this idea is typically used as a culture war cudgel to paint them as deplorable predators or other disgusting things and further deny them personhood. I used to not understand it myself, the ideas of gender being a separate social category from biological sex, or the ideas of what it "feels like" to be a man or a woman etc. And I wrote off actual demonstrable concerns that they face by virtue of their existence. I agree with you that diversity and inclusion is good. It was through conversations and listening to people that my opinion was changed and that i learned about things i was otherwise ignorant on.
Look... I will absolutely support and respect your choice to identify as any gender you want. I don't get it, but I'll do it. BUT... No teenage girl should have to see a biological male waving his junk around in the girls locker room. I'm not going to be persuaded otherwise.
@grumpyoldgrognard9561 that's not what the argument is though. I'm not going to speak on the restroom or locker room argument one way or the other, I think this could be solved by having more private bathrooms, changing areas, etc. I do think that the idea that this somehow affects children though (your comment specifies "teenage girls") is an easy way to scapegoat the argument though and doesn't really add anything to the actual core of the discussion. Again, it's manufactured outrage focusing on hyper specific issues like which bathrooms they can and can't use, and that being said, just to add nuance to the discussion, I've seen trans men with huge giant beards and muscles, who look and act indistinguishably from cis men. There's no way you could plausibly say cis woman would be comfortable with the idea of sharing a bathroom space with that person just because they have a vagina.
But that's my only concern. I couldn't care less which bathroom you use in the club where there's no chance of children being around.
I would support the building of unisex bathrooms in theory, but not in practice. Schools are already underfunded. I am inclined to wonder who is going to pay for all these new bathrooms, and how many after school programs are going to get cut for 99% of students to provide special facilities for 1.03% of the population.
@grumpyoldgrognard9561 you can simultaneously support increasing school funding in general and the rights of a minorty population, which still equates to tens if not hundreds of thousands of people in the US.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561gotta be honest, women's locker room culture is nothing like men's locker room culture. Nobody's swinging anything about in the women's locker room. People aren't hanging around letting it all hang out spending an hour holding a symposium
Woke doesn't even mean anything to the people who are deemed "woke". It's just become a derogatory term that's predominantly deployed by people who couldn't define it if their lives depended on it. Those people just use the term to malign anything they don't agree with, usually in reference to basic human rights for people who don't look like them.
Your inability, or unwillingness, to understand a word that has worked its way into the common vernacular does not invalidate its use anymore than someone else's inability to understand an idea (like, say, the need to advocate for basic human rights) would invalidate that idea.
If you had bothered to actually watch the video, rather than simply assume the content, I make it very clear that my objection is not to the woke agenda, which I consider to be, mostly, valid. My objection is to the behavior of the "woke" mob, which is not only unpersuasive but actually counterproductive to the agenda they are claiming they want to advance.
@grumpyoldgrognard9561 I did watch the video, and I mostly agree with you in principle. What I said stands. No one identifies themselves as "woke". It is ONLY used as a vague expression of disdain, and by people who literally cannot define it.
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 can you define it?
@grumpyoldgrognard9561 "Woke" used to mean you were into psychedelics and jam bands. Later, it meant that you didn't automatically trust "official" narratives, but it didn't take long to evolve into more of a self-identifying term for conspiracy nutters who believed in lizard aliens and weather control satellites. So you now had hippies and nutjobs both calling themselves the same word and, despite some overlap, meaning 2 completely different things. Nowadays, it doesn't mean anything except that some right-winger with no capacity to form a tangible argument has decided to dismiss you, because of something you said or something they think you believe, without going through the trouble of engaging any brain cells.
@EaterOfWorlds78 If you actually watched my video you already know exactly how I define it.
In one word: Bullshit.
In more than one word?
One of many strategies being used by corporations, particularly elite media, to exploit Identity Politics in order to divide the working class and reduce the risk of populist uprising.
Regarding de-platforming. The thing you’re missing is that before social media, people with very objectionable or uncivil opinions didn’t have a platform. So de-platforming is just trying to get us back to when certain communication was simply not allowed in media.
And, of course... Who better to decide who should have the right to platform than corporations, politicians, intelligence agencies, and pitchfork wielding mobs?
Makes sense.
Have you considered the possibility that living in a country with a Constitutional guarantee of free expression might not be a good fit for you?
That's a cool way to say "I'm a gay communist with opinions irrelevant to men"
No. He's just an idiot.
No communist or homosexual would long for a return to the day when corporations had an iron grip on the flow of information and were able to silence dissent with impunity. The dude is just a garden variety shitlib who's too stupid to understand that the very people he's pretending to care about (including communists and homosexuals) were the ones that were hurt most by the very censorship he's longing for.
@@DuvibdDuvusbudhd what in the world does this mean
The misuse of the term "woke" is rather pathetic. 🤣
Say "I didn't actually watch the video" without saying you didn't actually watch the video.
He would silently join the legion. Ain't no kicking and screaming except against his own point. Being devisive is not persuasive. False flag here 😂😂😂
I'm not exactly sure what the point of such a "false flag" operation would be... But I am pretty sure that, regardless of my operational objectives, it would take more than a thousand subs to have a meaningful social impact. Still... It's not impossible. I'll call my NSA handlers and make sure I haven't been activated yet.
Ooof. Woke = Stupid? You can't define it further? You're seriously going to leave it there and then give affirmation to your viewers who agree without providing a list of actual things that are stupid? I didn't disagree with the title and was very excited to listen to a well-presented point of view, but certainly didn't find anything of substance here. It honestly sounded like you got triggered by a cultural movement that is leaving you and yours behind and needed to vent. Do me a favor, don't spare me your stupid. I would very much like to know what your definition of stupid is so we can move forward with what could have otherwise been an intelligent conversation.
I can. And I do. Please feel free to actually watch the video.
Watched the whole thing. Got mostly what was described above.
But you are correct in part, there were some fair points buried in all of the rest, just enough to cover the bases as it were.
Best of luck with future content.@@grumpyoldgrognard9561
Then I'll simplify it for you.
Yes. My short, one word definition of wokeism is, "bullshit."
If you need a longer definition, try this one on for size...
"One of many informal campaigns by the power elite to exploit identity politics to keep the working class divided and squabbling amongst themselves rather than considering the possibility that the real blame for their lives being so miserable lies with those very same power elites."
Don't look up.
virtue signaling instead of making a video about dnd lmao
If you're a white guy and you're not having to spend your time defending your existence, then fighting against bigotry is awfully silly. If thinking maybe I have better things to do with my time than helping you figure out that putting people who look different than you into the meat grinder is wrong is being an asshole. Then I'm just someone else you call names. If you shrug and laugh at me for protecting my countrymen from murderers then don't cry to me when when I also ignore you when you're being marginalized.
Another fart huffer.
Watch the ACTUAL video, then get back to me and explain to me how you're NOT actually one of those useless wokescolds I described in my video as " a virtue signaling dickhead more interested in shaming and silencing people than actually persuading them."
I'm not sure if you realize, but nothing you said runs counter to or takes a stand against the actual content or even any indirect implications of the video. There doesn't seem to be any realm of actual disagreement between you and this guy, but your comment makes it seem like you think there is anyway.
Thank you. That's what happens when you have strongly held opinions about a subject that you haven't actually bothered to investigate.
@grumpyoldgrognard9561 lol. That guy was talking to you, I'm pretty sure. You did the same thing on this comment that you did to me, adopted a defensive attitude for no reason. You're acting really weird and confrontational today. I wasn't arguing with your video and neither was this guy. Between your apparent predisposition to conflict and a possible deficiency in reading comprehension, you've worked yourself pretty hard. Maybe take a break and gather your wits before responding to anyone else?
@@EaterOfWorlds78 projections projections
"I think wokeism is bullshit"
Sorry you don't approve of treating people equally and being aware that we live in a world filled with prejudicial people.
By the way, "Wokeism" isn't a word
Way to miss the entire point of the video.
But thanks for proving it.
Did you watch the whole video, or did you just get to the part you got offended and quit?
@@grumpyoldgrognard9561 nah, I just don't feel like listening to fools ramble on subjects they don't understand.
Woke means being aware of social injustices and seeking to fix them.
That's it.
@@MrGreensweightHist Oh the irony
Well. Thank you. The whole point of my video was that idiots like you have no interest in persuading people. You're just looking for reasons to hold other people in contempt so you can feel better about yourself. If you had kept watching the video for another TEN SECONDS you would have seen...
3:37
I can't. I can't land on a side, cause you know what? Woke is good. Woke is GOOD. Accepting people. Being Diverse and inclusive. That stuff's good. I agree with that.
The part you DON'T want to see starts at 4:42, because I make clear that my problem with "wokeism" isn't the agenda. It's virtue signaling dickheads who would rather huff their own farts than actually engage with and persuade people they don't agree with.
For more information on this subject, look in a mirror.