The Suns have UNDERACHIEVED! 🗣️ - Shannon Sharpe had higher expectations for Phoenix | First Take
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- The Suns have UNDERACHIEVED! 🗣️ - Shannon Sharpe had higher expectations for Phoenix | First Take
On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Tim Legler and Shannon Sharpe discuss their expectations of the Phoenix Suns.
0:00 Booker drops another 50-piece on the Pelicans
5:31 Should we expect more from Phoenix?
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suns have 44 wins and are they’re the 7th seed. bucks have 47 wins and they’re the 2nd seed. the west is still the tougher conference with the most contenders, someone has to be at the bottom.
This context matters. The west is a bloodbath this year and the suns have to play much better teams more often
You hit the nail on the head! Everybody is looking at the record and not paying attention to the fact the West is a straight gauntlet!
Doesn’t matter Bucks are just better than the suns tho
Someone has to be at the bottom, but it shouldn’t be the team with three star players.
Someone who actually watches basketball 🙏🏾
Legler is the only voice I respect on here cause he actually watches the game
😅 how Shannon says this about the Suns, but don't have that same energy for his boy LeBron, AD, and the Lakers. Hmm.
Lebron 39 this is exactly what you’ll get KD on the other hand his fans feel he in that conversation so he has to prove it and he at the age to do so right?
the suns and the lakers are different. the suns couldnt make the western conference finals last year while the lakers did. besides, the suns now have bradley beal, kd, and devin booker all in their prime and they are only in the 7th seed. lebron is literally almost 40. you expect the lakers to be better than the suns when both teams are fully healthy?
@@nicobean5064 Lets be honest, KD is on the older end as well.
Of course somebody gotta bring Lebron up in a SUNS topic
Suns had significantly higher expectations than the Lakers with bringing in Beal. They should Be criticized harder than the Lakers no doubt!
Legler has answered the question. Nice show
SAS just spoke for 5 minutes and didn’t say anything 😂
he did yell a lot though.
He sounds like he did a line of coke before the segment started that wore off by the end of it
LOL he doesn't know anything about sports. He just speaks loud ECK CETRA ECK CETRA
Hes an expert @ that lol
The problem is that they don’t have a point guard and don’t really defend
idk why they didnt just keep cp
@@harriscarson4207I think Warriors needed Chris Paul more
@@tjones8778 warriors def ain’t need him foreal
@@harriscarson4207 probably not because he’s another small guard
Still riding with the suns til the wheels fall off 💪🏽🏆
Legs is just an awesome NBA analyst.
44-31 aint even bad tho. West just stacked
It is when you got the most blown 4th Qtr leads & 3 of those losses are to the spurs. They would be 4th rn if not for the losses to the spurs alone
They try so hard to avoid the obvious. If you put Beal KD and booker for 20 it would be +100 to bet. Then I could put 1k to win 1k over and over. Say they all get 20 60 out of 82 games I will have won 60k and lost 22k profiting 38 thousand dollars.
That’s why they don’t do good the same night because Vegas won’t allow it
Right, they can still end up a 50 win team which is great
They would still be 6 or 7 in the east
@@CrookedJoeBidenno if they were in the east they would face weaker teams more often meaning a better record. The west is crazy meeting tough teams four times.
Suns are 30-16 with a top 5 record since Beal came into the lineup after Christmas. The overreaction to this team is ridiculous especially a team that just formed. Also when healthy they look pretty good to me just not perfect. Defense has gotten better every month of the season and sits 12-13 rn. So they have a good shot as any to beat anybody in the west. Also there next 3 opponents they already beating and haven’t loss to them all season. A lot of 🧢 on the suns coverage by national media. Wonder why🤔?
That's not good.... That's actually pathetic. I don't know why you thought that record was a proper rebuttal.
Thanks for some logic into a mostly emotional debate
Cause they legit have no draft Capital and you have Durant idk what else to say
They’re the last “super team” but they’re subpar, that’s why ppl talk about them like that. Nobody thinks they have a chance against the Wolves, Thunder or champ Nuggets. Hell, idk if they’re better than the Mavs. That’s why ppl aren’t speaking highly of them because they inspire no confidence.
@@notechb0ss2.0530-16 isn’t good? That’s almost 2:1 W/L lmao but whatever
The suns really messed up by not getting a offensive coach and not valuing a pg who can at least be average
ppl just say “they have no pg” and move on / dismiss it like it’s just something to overcome. this team is incomplete and still competing with teams that supposedly had it all figured out this off season.
been saying this for years about the clippers...and now they have Harden and Broadie. Meanwhile yet another BS big 3...for KD....even worse bc booker only plays 1 side of the ball with is 40+mil contract In the west of all eras...utter JOKE. Hes a glorified jamal crawford with 5* player contract and gets the same level of usage/touches as A dude like JC.
21-13 is crazy for the big 3 but with that said, I think the Suns have a better chance than most teams to eliminate the Nuggets in a playoff series
2 of those losses don't count because the big 3 got hurt in the first few minutes
Yeah they have a chance but Beal have to show up at least 3 quarters
That’s because Nuggets are one of the bottom teams in 3 pt attempts per game. Look it up. Suns will have a chance against any of those teams because of that. It’s the high volume 3 pt shooting teams that burn them and that’s been the case every year. They never learn. Strategy every year is hoping other teams miss 3s so they don’t have to expend any energy to contest the shots. Nobody is a pest on the perimeter and it’s an obvious problem.
I still don't know why people think the nuggets are unbeatable. They still need to show they can go back to the finals for them to get even more respect. I will wait for that to happen
The Superstar win games
........ The role players/others help win championships😂😂😂😅
sun’s injuries still above healthy Lakers 😭😭🤣🤣🤣
By 1 spot
@@Wisestomatoe2 spots
They try so hard to avoid the obvious. If you put Beal KD and booker for 20 it would be +100 to bet. Then I could put 1k to win 1k over and over. Say they all get 20 60 out of 82 games I will have won 60k and lost 22k profiting 38 thousand dollars.
That’s why they don’t do good the same night because Vegas won’t allow it
You should try cassamigo(tequila) you don’t get hangovers after 🫨 clearly you drunk
The Lakers aren’t healthy tho lol
Yeah Frank Vogel was a good defensive coach when he had Hill, PG, David west, Roy hibbert in the middle and in LA you had AD , Caruso, KCP, Dwight Howard off the bench, bron my point is idc how good your defensive schemes are if you ain’t got the horses it don’t matter
Facts personnel matters
but you still got nurk and kd's been all defense this year. royce o' neal, book, okogie etc etc aren't bad either. the problem that the kd nets had was defense, but that isn't the case here.
Beal is just not as big of a player as people hyped him to be. Big 3 was a stretch tbh and I knew his impact wasn't gonna be that big.
I hope you can tell that he is sacrificing a lot of his game for the team though! I still wish he would be more aggressive at times.
@@micahjohnson5105 he was just the player they didn’t need. They needed a distributor. Chris Paul from years ago would’ve been a better fit. Piling up scorers hurts your defense and ability to get ball movement.
plus they forget a % of his numbers in WAS had prime wall....a solid top 5 PG at his best day.....and after he left....beal was a PRIME 30 shot a night....first option....they really talk like its that EASY to slot into being a 3rd option after doing that for so many years with such lil coaching too.
At the beginning of the season it was “they not gonna be that good or make out the first round of the playoffs cause they can’t play D or they don’t have the depth” now is they not living up to expectations 🤦🏾♂️
They need to have this same energy for the Lakers, but we know they won't.
Lakers weren’t getting hyped up as a new big 3 😂
@@luisc5323the Lakers have a stacked roster it’s no way they should be 9th in the West
@@luisc5323so you didn’t see all the lakers won the offseason coverage 😂😂
@@user-js7mo3wy4zwhich team has touched the finals in recent history or at least a conference finals? It’s called proof yall people stupid in this comments comparing a championship team to this embarrassing suns team
Stacked roster? lol
lol why would anybody take Shannon takes on basketball seriously he talks bad about every team and player not named Lebron 😂
They try so hard to avoid the obvious. If you put Beal KD and booker for 20 it would be +100 to bet. Then I could put 1k to win 1k over and over. Say they all get 20 60 out of 82 games I will have won 60k and lost 22k profiting 38 thousand dollars.
That’s why they don’t do good the same night because Vegas won’t allow it
LeBron can't do no wrong with LeShayshay, LeBron would literally be shitting on his head and he still be optimistic about it 😂
What does any of that has to do with the Suns underachievering ?!!
@@quentinuluilakeba9027ok stay on topic 😂 the segment is about kd suns😂 having goat James lakers live rent free in your head is unhealthy kid
@@bowling4clarity817people are sick and pathetic 🤷♀️😂 they can’t stand to see kd get criticize 🤷♀️
Shannon on Klutch Sports Payroll lol
Exactly
Im From Moss Point And We Love❤ Book
When was the last time Beal has been healthy enough to be elite. No one could say Beal has been the Suns' 3rd best player this year. Grayson Allen has been their 3rd best player by performance if not by name.
Lakers are like 9/10 aren’t they ?
Exactly it’s clearly a bias in these Networks against other teams and I’m a Warriors fan but Suns are clearly way better than LA
They talk about the Lakers and Cowboys every day when neither is relevant. $$$
Shannon must have not examine the top 10 teams. They all have 2 scorers on their team except maybe OKC
Need more objectivity and not just yelling. 😂🤦🏽♂️ the 3 seed was 14 games over 500 last year, considering the roster and the injury issues this been a great year. But yall still gon talk about the lakers and knicks like champions 😂
The Suns have been frustrating to watch this season with all the turnovers, and forgetting how to play in the 4th quarter…But at least they still better than the Lakers this season.
You CANT get more from KD. He almost has to play off ball nowadays. Handle not as sharp as it used to be. Anything more than 3 dribbles and he’s likely to turn the ball over. He’s better off ball.
I still think suns need a point guard. A good back up point guard like Tyus Jones or Lowry could’ve helped them
Ya? How about a great wing with that? N a top tier center to go along with it? Jesus.😂😂😂
Tyus jones would make the suns better than beal he gives u 15 pts but u have enough scoring and booker can pass but scores first like murray but jokic and him split the pg. Booker passes like a lebron not a pg to control a game u need one
@@ashamsthomas2490Sounds like something that LeBron would complain abt 😂
@@Serenity01871i think Jones helps them in setting 3:33 up their offense however there’s no way he has a bigger impact than Beal. BEAL is the best 3rd option in the nba right now. I can’t think of any other 3rd option that can go for 40 or 50 pts if he gets hot
They have isaiah Thomas on a 10 day contract
Legler needs to be a regular!
Didn’t mean for it to rhyme but yeah 😂
Lol
Lol bars
They try so hard to avoid the obvious. If you put Beal KD and booker for 20 it would be +100 to bet. Then I could put 1k to win 1k over and over. Say they all get 20 60 out of 82 games I will have won 60k and lost 22k profiting 38 thousand dollars.
That’s why they don’t do good the same night because Vegas won’t allow it
He’s so biased against KD it’s wild
He’s really not 😂
Just speaking the truth. Let’s be honest for a second, KD has been incredibly underwhelming in regards to leading a team and contending
@@ashishbehal5903 who has a better track record of leading his team rn ?
@@ashishbehal5903 bro at least kd can contend every year in the post season 😂
@@dahim6778how does coming up short every season translate to contending?
I am just glad you guys even discuss about the suns
ever since that game 7 blowout loss to the mavs the suns have never been the same
Look at how smooth the conversation goes when Molly ain’t there to continuously interrupt.
Shannon Sharpe I’m a laker fan. Why you talking about the suns this way but NOT THE LAKERS. Lakers 9th in the west
Oh you know why😄Lakers fan here too, but we know who hand out that bag to key media members🤫
They didn’t ask a question about the lakers, did they?
I think KD is not really happy at PHX
These matchups are going to make the playoffs that much more interesting, my clippers should be prepping for Zion and the Pels but really looking forward to the western conference playoff matchups💪🏼
"they won 9 out of their last 14 I'm so touched" 😂
After the big 3 Brooklyn disaster, superstars joining together hasn't been great so far.
What about Lebron and AD? The Lakers have a better bench than Phoenix. Why you aren’t saying they underachieved?
I agree but the Lakers bench had 2 points their last game. The only team that did that this season
Play-in Booker is getting ready.
Bol Bol is benefiting so much from being mentored by Kevin Durant. Turnovers are down and his 3 point percentage is up.
Shannon Sharp wants to be like Stephen A Smith so much, he imitates him, needs to be he’s own
They spent 11 mins crushing these dudes and confused on why they give up 4th quarter leads. I’ll fill in those that don’t watch the Suns.. they get gassed it’s simple as that towards the end. No bench and their top guys have to play all game. ESPN reporting sucks so bad
So what are you trying to say? Every team has their issues but with the talent that they have, they should have more wins for sure. Especially with the top teams from the last few years not having the same success like the GSW, Lakers, Mavs until recently and they need to figure things out cause they have no draft capital for a while.
@@hemantjain6679 they shouldn’t have more wins they have 3 guys practically and they’re not spring chickens anymore. Idk why anyone thought they’d be any good. Playoffs they can probably hurt another team off shear talent but not the regular season. They aren’t build for longevity and if anyone thinks otherwise is just lying to themselves. This team will 100% be blown up (KD, Beal included) in 2yrs MAX.
@@ronnieg2961That was the whole point of the KD trade. It was to win right now, not a couple years from now. That’s also why Suns traded for Beal as well. Also, the Suns don’t just have 3 guys, they have one of the best rebounding centers in the league right now in Nurkic, AND they have the leading 3 point shooter in the entire league right now who is a straight up sniper in Grayson Allen so the Suns starting 5 is scary on offense. They just need to minimize TO’s and step up the defense more which they have been doing the past 2 months.
Honestly with how bad they’ve played at times do to chemistry , having tons of injuries all season they are still playing decent and just might put it all together before playoffs if they stay healthy they can beat any team
They were never gonna be judged by the regular season lol
so true...and nobody wants to see them win...as it is....its like ADDING doc to the BUCKS...the dame trade was already questionable....and now you throw doc into the equation and now im not too enthused to see them get to the finals/ECF...but hyped/ready to see a classic DOC implosion/platitude riddled time out calls talking nonsense etc.
Why yall don’t say that about the Lakers
bc the topic ask about the Suns. reading is fundamental
Luka and kyrie can match that, they already do.
luka and kyrie match the firepower of KD and Dbook just fine lmao shannon crazy
Yeah but not with Allen and Beal.
@@alexschu1245But they cant deal with Gafford and DL2.
Funny how they had a segment praising booker for his game yesterday but didnt even mention lukas just as impressive game the day before
Problem for Phoenix is they have 3 great midrange shooters that create off the dribble. Historically, midrange is a bad shot because you usually create it off the dribble so it's contested with little space. They need a distributor and they need coach to get them to play off-ball and learn to move the ball without the dribble. If they can figure it out, they'd have 3 25+ point scorers a night with great paint presence.
Well you have to have mid-range scorers to win a championship
Wow, they can actually do commentary without constant interruptions, which is refreshing.
Pelicans the only team genuinely afraid of the suns
Suns are just lazy defensively. That’s all it is. It’s completely unserious and they make the game unwatchable the way they defend sometimes. On offense, there’s not a team in the league they couldn’t compete with and they’ve shown that against Nuggets multiple times. It’s also a personnel and coaching problem because they play 3 guards in the starting lineup and act like most teams best scorers aren’t frying Grayson Allen at the POA every time he gets switched on to them since they don’t have an actual wing defender starting.
@@teddylabarca9398 lmao I cannot wait for the Clippers/OKC/Wolves/Warriors etc. to run those switches on Greyson 😂😂 they’re about to turn dude into dog chow 4-7 games
They try so hard to avoid the obvious. If you put Beal KD and booker for 20 it would be +100 to bet. Then I could put 1k to win 1k over and over. Say they all get 20 60 out of 82 games I will have won 60k and lost 22k profiting 38 thousand dollars.
That’s why they don’t do good the same night because Vegas won’t allow it
How about Denver? The suns beat them twice this year IN Denver. One time without Devin Booker.
@@Hooperd2023You think Warriors have a shot against Suns ?
He is so correct regardless what happened with lakers
Book is nothing like Kobe. He don’t play defense, and he can’t fly
They’re right at what their record says.
"GOAT James according to Shay Shay" 😂
Tim Legler needs his own show
halfway does with JJ
It would be something if the suns and lakers end up having to play each other this postseason I bet it would be long debate who would win 7 game series
Rally the valley
WE SHALL SEE HOW THIS SEASON ENDS UP
Suns will be in Cancun
Bol Bol and Okogie need more playing time in my opinion to give KD, Book and Beal a lil more rest. 🤷🏾♂️
lakers underachieved too Shannon lol
They’re talking about the Suns
@@luisc5323 Suns had higher exceptions
the topic is about the suns idiot
Moss Point, MS on the Map!
Booker didn't forget the 360 zion did 😂😂😂
Vogal is the reason why the suns stink when they play together
phx need a decent back PG to sustain the game
Book going crazy
“I’m pouring honey on you GOAT”
-Shannon Sharpe
Can someone tell me what’s this chain called Shannon is wearing??
The roller coaster Suns back at it again. This team too inconsistent to win anything, but expert analysts will still pick them to win it all just for them to lose in 1st round or even play-in
It’s crazy how a team with a new role players and a new coach and gets criticized like this isn’t the first year, it’s mostly Vogel’s rotations, but next year with a year of chemistry under they belt it will be hard to beat the Suns ☀️🔥
i like how everyone just dismisses that they don’t have NO point guard. that’s not just something to skip over.
Yeah they def stole that Moss Point thing from Undisputed
KD’s unselfishness is a blessing and a CURSE!! His scoring ability along with his efficiency warrants this man taking 25 shots per game…it is a no brainer…KD hurts his team when he settles for less than 20 shots, especially when he settles for less than 15 shots.
I’m not sure what KD did to Shannon but everyone KD is brought up he’s pissed
Devin always Folds under pressure idk what SAS is talking about.
Shocked the coaching staff isn’t on the hot seat right next to the stars
Booker should play for Pelicans since he is RED HOT in that arena....Trade Booker for Ingram and Herb Jones and one 1st round pick...
DEVIN DOESNT SHRINK IN BIG MOMENTS ?!!!!!!! I vividly recall during the tournament this year kd getting double teamed and Book just slid further and further into the corner 😭
Everything Shay demanded of the suns he didn’t of the lakers lol dint make sense if we only goin by this season lol
The Suns would have lost to the Pels yesterday if they could rebound like in a real game. N if Zion could finish through contact.
The Suns would have lost if Booker didn't own the Pelicans lol
Ingram wasn't playing lol@@StarryNight4024
Coulda shoulda woulda
@@yunghebrew1520 just like Suns shoulda got a PG.
9:24
They need a PG. and it’s not CP but ironically 3 scorers cannot get it done itself.
KD was never that guy outside of golden state! It’s just on full showcase now
He wa sin the finals at 23 years old. Youngest player ever to win a scoring title. He's always been that guy
What was your drug of choice today? 😂
@@rcruz-zu4sm Be honest, his playoffs career is underwhelming outside of Golden State. I mean yeah, reaching the Finals at 23 is impressive, but what has he done since other than one MVP? He might be ringless right now if not for GSW, let's be foreal. Lmao
@@ATmosFeaR_dcuo😂😂😂
@@ATmosFeaR_dcuo😂😂😂
0:40
Thank you steven A Frank voguel
This line up is 🔥, mix it in with JJ Reddick from time to time, and this show would be 10x better! I prefer Christine than Molly
Team chemistry was off due to injuries. Fourth quarter leads is because they have no pg and get tired
Suns have vets.. blame is to go around all across the board not just coach. Def players too
But they aren’t complimentary pieces and none of them play D. They are “the whole is LESS THAN the sum of its parts”.
As a suns fan we gotta win these last few games left
Tim legler is absolutely right
Steevin a not trying to throw shade and then start throwing shade
A lot of people are so pissed because they automatically declared the suns as a top team when they got Beal. They were saying Book can play point bla bla bla. It's literally the same situation as Brooklyn when KD, Kyrie and Harden were there.
It's plain to see this year the West is super stacked.
Everyone knows it’s Vogel. He hasn’t realized that Beal & Grayson should come off the bench. They need to add a PG & PF to the starters (preferably Okogie & get a “taller” PG like a Goran Dragic)…
PG (Goran Dragic)
SG Booker
SF KD
PF Josh Okogie
C Nurkic
PG ? (John Wall)
SG Beal
SF Grayson
PF Bol
C Eubanks
Bruh these wild nobody asked for stats lmao
Gotta love the new no defense nba.
The suns have underachieved is a understatement and a understatement to say the least I can only see them getting out of the first round and that's it I demand excellence from this team I expected a lot more from a team that is as talented as this as formidable as they are as deadly as they are you got killer's marksmen shooters the problem is nobody can't even play any defense on this got dawn team for crying out loud
shannon tripping at this point lol, where is this energy for the lakers with 2 superstars?
This team is built for the playoffs I believe they will turn it up defensively and cut down on the turnovers only reason teams can beat them is turnovers and lazy defense everything changes when you face a team in a playoff matchup we’ve seen them turn it up defensively and cut down turnovers offense is not an issue for them at all