Have you seen his debates with Krystal? He keeps getting destroyed in them so maybe he thought he shouldn’t wear a suit anymore since it doesn’t fit him being owned all the time.
@@derrickhyman872I don't mind debate or the opinions of liberals or leftists, but Krystal definitely comes across as a typical MSNBC type host with bad faith arguments and hysterics. Not a fan of hers.
I agree and have been saying the same thing for a long time now. My guess is that Krystal (who is very wealthy) backed BP $$$ and Sagaar is bound to a contract. But yes, Sagaar should break free from BP and put his energy into growing a biz with Marshall.
Before pressing play, reach back in memory time and play the musical opener in your mind. Then, let it fly. "Marshall and Saagar here. Welcome BACK, to The Realignment!" 🤩
Also the best part of this episode was the presidential history section. I would watch 5 hours a day of Saagar and Marshall discussing American history. You guys underestimate how much people want to hear more about the 1800s, and Saagar in particular is well positioned to speak on it. Please do this.
@ i love these guys, do I believe every single thing they say - of course not, they have their angle and agenda. I have mine. But I love these guys. They definitely changed my mind on some things. Maybe they leaned on the information to do so, the thing is I don’t really care.
@@peterstafford4426 you call it lying, I call it their angle and agenda. If you get no value from it, move on. I do however get value from this podcast.
Saagar and Marshall want to let both sides emerge and then move on. Emily and Ryan want to let both sides emerge and then move on. Krystal cannot stand any side but her own emerging and refuses to move on unless she is the only one left standing.
Dude, at no point was the general public pro open borders level immigration. The far right wants no immigration. The far left wants no borders. Most of us are good with immigration that's metered and under control. The people of this country and the federal government have a duty to manage how many people and who enters the country and when.
I think there is a movement in the "populist Right' to put a pause on all Immigration until we can restore order and relieve the pressure of the current levels of Illegal immigration. Charlie Kirk speaks about this all the time. Ideas such as ending Birthright citizenship and the H1B1 debates are coming from this group.
This. Most people like having a modest amount of immigrants that speak decent English and can fit in with a high-trust community. Don't aggressively barter with the Walmart cashier, don't hit on 14 year old girls, don't bring foreign ethnic conflicts to our streets, don't simp for ISIS, etc.
As a genuine question for you here: The far right people you are alluding to are sitting senators/house members/cabinet members looking to completely shut the border via laws. The far left people you mention are young people on twitter with like 10k followers. Do you really think there is an equivalence of power between those two factions?
After 10 minutes all I heard is two D.C. insiders frame the election is graduate school polling metrics as opposed to the substantive reasons why voting trends across the country went to Donald Trump. You both should seriously consider expanding the conversation to thoughtful, knowledgeable people outside of the talking head bubble.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I feel like these two people have a slight disdain for the voter population too. They're the epitome of the Vivek boy meets world mentality
Y’all don’t get this but most of us are willing to make sacrifices as far as cuts as long as there is a reasonable end goal! I know y’all think us working class plebes can’t think past the end of our noses but it’s about the country not collapsing in 20-30 year
How do you define sacrifices? I had Senator Chris Murphy on the show last week, and as he pointed out, back during the December budget fight Republicans tried to finance upper-income tax cuts with cuts to social security and medicare. Voters rightfully won't sign up for that.
Saagar is one of the best political opinion commentators today. I totally like his analysis and how honest and real he is about. What’s impacting people in our politics. He has a new fan. 🙂🙂
Find a way to get The Realignment to 1/2 of BP's revenue haha. The real talk is that the two of us have two different careers and different uses of our time. BP's a legit business vs. The Realignment being a non-profit policy show that's more like a think tank project. When we started, we were just DC 20-somethings whose interests were way more similar.
I was a subscriber until 2023 when I could no longer take her shrill, as well as her jackass husband when they had him on so much. Ryan Grimm is so much more well presented than KB, he presents so much more authentically. Saagar needs to either lose her. I know that won't happen
49min of preoccupation with strategy, 0min on policy/substance that will lead to thriving. These guys still don’t get what this election was truly about
If you think that elections are won and lost on policies instead of sentiment/"vibe," then you dont understand politics at all. Luckily, Trump gets it, and most Democrats dont
@wilsonxr11 It's actually extremely easy. Getting a handle on immigration and deportations will not only save the country money in welfare that we don't have to give them. It will also ease the housing crisis. Also, it will lead to less crime. In addition, since many undocumented workers work under the table, it will force those qoh employ them to pay payroll tax. Increasing oil production will increase supply relative to demand and eventually reduce the cost of fuel which reduces the cost of transportation which makes our businesses more economically viable. Pulling out of the Paris climate accords will help as well. It's pointless for countries to burden with abstract emissions goals when over half the globe, India, China and Russia aren't going to comply anyway.
By 10:22 Saagar says -of the public: "people change their minds all the time" -but also, of business leaders trying to assess the environment: "things haven't changed much, you need to look carefully at the fundamentals" 🤔🤔🤔🤌🤌🤌🤦♂️
let Saager talk more next time. He's so used to letting Krystal run all over him he doesn't have it in him to take control of a conversation when frankly, he should.
Saagar is an economic democrat, there’s really no philosophical difference between him and Krystal, they both believe in government intervention into the economy.
I think what Marshal talks about at the end here is exactly right, and I've kinda been wondering why a lot of the populist right viewers of Krystal and Saagar have soured on Krystal. And I think it's because Krystal used to recognize this. I don't remember specific quotes, but she used to do a better job at recognizing how the cultural leftism wasn't as important and was sometimes detrimental when it came to advocating for economic leftism. And I think the populist left has definitely been handicapped by how far the culural left has moved and become center stage in popular culture in recent years. It will definitely take someone willing to recognize that and speak to it clearly and concisely to help shift the tide for the Dems.
I've watched Krystal since she was on the Hill and used to love her. For me, it's because her Twitter brainrot has reached the stage where she can't think critically or reconcile her contradictory beliefs. Best example is her stance on immigration. She always mentions some study that "proves" more immigration raises everyone's wage. Then she'll add that immigrants take jobs that Americans won't accept. And yet, when Amazon brings in scabs to replace their striking workforce, she can instantly see how it depresses wages and kneecaps the bargaining power of the working class. During the COVID years, she mentioned again and again that the lowered supply of workers was a great thing for bargaining power and resulted in many union battles won. The only way it makes sense is if she's working backwards from the standard online leftie conclusion of "anything to do with immigrants = good".
@j.c.jeggis1818 Immigration is definitely where I noticed a clear breakdown in her reasonable-ness as well. As someone who is more left-leaning, I think, the amount of credence she gives to the open borders crowd is crazy. Maybe to some extent lefties like her recognized that being in the middle on the border was becoming untenable so they kinda rationalized not being open borders to themselves. The crazy part is I remember Kyle did a video talking about how the border issue is one of those issues where he's more conservative than most progressives, so I wonder if he's shifted or if they maybe don't agree on that. But honestly, it started earlier with her embrace of the trillion dollar coin and Modern Monetary Theory. This clearly bonkers theory that just says economics doesn't matter anymore and we can do mental gymnastics to get ourselves out of inflation without actually paying for anything was just mind-boggling to me. And it just kinda goes to show how far she sometimes will go in order to defend the most radical left-wing ideas.
Thanks! I'll expand on this later, but the TLDR of my point is that right economic populism has an economic bent *and* a socio-cultural bent. A lot of leftists look at Bernier's 2016 success as a validator of the economic populist thesis, but they undercount that Bernie *also* had a socio-cultural bent. His critique of Hillary wasn't just that she didn't support Medicare for All, it was that she was 30 year veteran of Washington who owned a huge set of choices people hated. You could sign up for the anti-Hillary train without having to care about economic populism/democratic socialism. The 2020 campaign-plus version hasn't found it's anti-Hillary equivalent.
@@therealignmentI think this is unfair. Krystal clearly stated while speaking with Cenk that she wants a coalition that is big enough for pro-lifers, gun enthusiasts and ppl who disagree with her on immigration etc. but wants litmus tests on Econ. What has shifted is that the populist right has also upped the cultural war rhetoric as the anti-woke movement has gained power. It’s a shift in power dynamics where she’s adjusting her opinion based on balance of risks in society w respect to populist right.
As a young American it is absolutely essential we get rid of social security for at least create an opt out. It's absolutely insane that I'm forced to pay into a system I never wanted ever voted for by force that will benefit older people and will not be there mathematically by the time I would get it and it is at the opportunity cost something investing in a market count or it could actually get real returns over 40 years. Realistically it needs to be phased out with an opt out raise the retirement age etc. This is reverse Robin Hood economics old people get everything and young people get screwed The best predictor to know how much net worth the person has is their age we're taking young people's much lower income with no net worth and usually a negative net worth and giving it to old people that on average have hundreds of thousands in equity in their home retirement account and then social security Medicare Medicaid It is insane. I don't know how any left-wing person who is about the quality can be for this reverse Robin Hood! The only way I have figured out to avoid it is to work for myself and claim a very low income so I paid much lower payroll and employer tax because there is literally no opt out!
@Ryanrobi The issue with SS is there's a cap. So the REAL robber barons pay a fraction of a fraction of someone like me. Don't pretend to be robin hood and then advocate for the kings to hoard more wealth. If you're gonna complain about not wanting to pay your fair share of taxes, feel free, but crying about wanting to cut social services and disguise that under "why help old people" is wild if you understand WHY things like housing is expensive and why we created SS in the first place. It's not cause a grandma in a $100k house is getting enough checks to survive. It's cause business owners like you want to cry about paying into a system that actually does what Robinhood would do. Distribute money to those who need it. Have fun dodging your taxes.
You, Ryan, are 1000% correct. Stealing from the young to pay the old does not work when there are so many more old than young. Problem is, one, you live in a democracy which means you'll do what the majority tells you to do, two, the elite (who can do something about this because democracy is an illusion) have no interest in doing anything about this - the opposite actually, three, even if you get rid of SS, this will get paid out of some other pot of money you will be forced to pay into disproportionally. I avoid it by living off my assets - which is zero payroll tax and I pretty much account for a loss every year. Welcome to DemocracyTM, there is a reason the Greeks thought it was mid.
@@j.c.jeggis1818 Possibly, but that is not an argument nor is it actionable. How would SS run out of money? The most obvious way is more people would be taking money out than putting money in. How would that happen? Well people having less kids. Are people having less kids? Why yes, they are, quite a bit under replacement and have been for some time. Oh, you say, then just have the government use general funds to pay for the shortfall. Well, who service that debt? Grandma? No, she won't, you will still be taking from the young to enrich the old. Well, how about tax the rich? You know who pays said "taxes on the rich"? You. The rich just appropriate said taxes as an operational expense and raise prices accordingly, you are the ones who ultimately pay taxes on the rich. Well how about MMT (print money)? This is the worst case, because you pay inflation tax - and few things make the rich richer and the poor poorer than inflation. So maybe you need to think more and type less.
Saagar - you and Marshall are like metal sharpening metal. I don't have to agree with a lot of it to learn from most of it. Your other co-host OTOH....I'll take Mom's advice and not say anything at all.
So what I learned here is that nobody wants to tackle the 36t debt. The tech right is trying but that's just political poison. Well, I guess america can just see what happens if it's not addressed then.
In what part of the multiverse do people underestimate just how damaging the hostage crisis was Carter? It's like saying that people underestimate the ability of water to get you wet.
Idk, if you care about culture stuff, about how other people choose to live their lives, more than the material economic condition of your own life, whether you have a good job and can afford everything you need, then you deserve whatever shit situation you may end up in.
I find the comment were they say that 2028 JD Vance will be different and evolved contradicts the logic around Kamala Harris, where the event of the previous election injured her electability this time around, why does this not apply to Vance with the cats and dogs and such?
Great point. To expand, it wasn't just that Kamala made damaging statements in 2019. Everyone makes mistakes. It was that she didn't have the confidence/awareness/ability to convince people she'd changed. My bet is that JD won't do anything during the Trump presidency to reinforce the cat ladies attack and will stay away from abortion and other social issues that hurt him with moderate voters. Unlike Kamala, who made her 2019 statements *and* couldn't account for them after being made the "Border Czar."
Saagar back to these podcast cause he know breaking points with Krystal isn’t cutting it anymore. Shes muzzled him. At least he’s been fighting back lately.
Enjoy you both, and Saagar, you gotta dump Krystal. She's a nightmare. Find a real left populist - hell, Anna Kasparian might be a good choice. Almost anyone besides Frosted Flakes' wife.
Ana went on The Sitch & Adam Show recently and explained her rationale for staying at TYT. Something to the effect of trying to counterbalance deranged far left ideology with a sane lefty voice the network desperately needs.
The problem isn’t Krystal it’s the BP show its format and its audience. BPs audience are just brainless “populists” who don’t engage critically with history or news. They get their news from social media and that’s it. The reason why Saager is better here is bc this show is a book club first. So ofc you will get a more rational discussion. I don’t even like Krystal fyi
@@OfficialSureFirePlan Totally agree. Saagar and Marshall together wield more intellectual heft than Krystal will over the course of her entire lifetime. If they added Emily, the hard drive on my computer would explode. It would be so good.
I find the hate on Krystal here a bit much. I still like her and I think Saagar does too. Maybe Marshall doesn’t tho. It’s nice to see Dems out of power but she’s not wrong about what a horrible person Trump is. Don’t negatively polarize.
Saagar puts too much meaning into Trump's win as a 'mandate' from the people, and seems to discount the anti-incumbency feeling which has hit globally. This was a change election no matter what, and Saagar is using this as a cover to push forward what "he thinks" the American people voted for, when in actuality they just wanted someone else to try to deal with inflation and high prices. And with our two party system, it happens to be Trump. (Would be more interesting of a result in a multi-party system)
You'd have more of a point if left liberal parties weren't getting crushed everywhere and not just incumbents. The only exceptions are basically England and countries where the left liberals decided to actually do something about immigration. People really hate immigration and it's been forced on people for decades.
Yeah. If Dems sweep in 26 and win in 28 are we really going to be surprised? I think the real story will be that since 2016 every election will be a black lash against whoever is in power
We dont get access to the best polls. Biden's people, prior to his drop out, had him losing far more badly than any polls at the time did. Kamala's team never had her winning, which is why they had to cope with conspiracy theories about republican women all lying to their husbands and everyone else about how theyll vote. Similarly, there were certainly polling reasons that Kamala's team decided to maximally distance themselves from idpol, wokeness, and DEI policies. There was an anti-incumbacy shift, broadly related to worldwide disatisfaction with covid measures and their consequences, but it is still cope to act like americans werent fed up with the cultural reform movements of the social left.
Saagar, listening to you talk realpolitik and giving your honest informed opinion here, then flipping over to BP to listen to you cohost with a foaming activist driven by her emotions... it's depressing. Sorry I don't tune into BP as much as I'd like to, to support you. I just can't take it, and it's getting worse. I wonder where you could find a more intelligent partner....
Saagar wish you would get your own show. I cant stand that the price to listen to you is that I have to listen to Krystal and her Climate Change SoCal not having these conditions fro 1,200 years. Ive taken you off my list of shows and have gone back to The hill again and find Robby's take very good. You don't need her! Let here and Kyle do their own thing!
When you say vibe, do you mean seig hieling? Cause our shadow president is a billionaire yatzi, attempting to support far right governments across the planet
Saagar argued that Elon's Hitler salute was not a Hitler Salute. That is exactly what you would expect from a fascist. If Elon wore a swasika, Saagar would say its because Elon is a fan of its ancient roots. He'd say something like "The swastika is an ancient symbol that originated in Eurasia and likely dates back to the Neolithic period, around 10,000 BCE. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit words su (good) and asti (to be), which together mean "well-being"
Stability.... Germans felt the same way about hitler. Germany was high civilization of Europe and from the chaos, they chose hitler and regrets didn't matter until after they lost
Saagar must have just smoked a marijuana cigarette. He's in a hoodie and not a suit
I'm going to need him to pass it. I could use it right about now lol
Have you seen his debates with Krystal? He keeps getting destroyed in them so maybe he thought he shouldn’t wear a suit anymore since it doesn’t fit him being owned all the time.
@@GoldenRam31mindless banshee cackling isn't coherent argument.
Krystal just interrupts everyone.
I even feel bad for Kyle.
Vibe shift.
@@GoldenRam31lol we must be watching different segments then..they’re gonna need a moderator soon 😂
It’s good that Saagar can talk without being interrupted by Krystal.
Why watch a show where open conversation and debate is the point if you don't like that?
nice little safe space for him, huh?
I hear echoes of Krystal's nasally retorts in my mind
I seriously can’t stand Krystal anymore!!! She’s insufferable!!!
@@derrickhyman872I don't mind debate or the opinions of liberals or leftists, but Krystal definitely comes across as a typical MSNBC type host with bad faith arguments and hysterics. Not a fan of hers.
Saagar's channeling his inner Fetterman today with the inauguration look.
He would not be happy to hear that. LOL
Much better to watch Saagar and Marshall than Saagar and the other one
Voldemort
Nice to see the boys together on a podcast, those are my favorite
so much better and deeper than BP! Put your energy into this Mr Enjeti! In this format you shine so much more!!
I agree and have been saying the same thing for a long time now. My guess is that Krystal (who is very wealthy) backed BP $$$ and Sagaar is bound to a contract. But yes, Sagaar should break free from BP and put his energy into growing a biz with Marshall.
@@mtmg3648 you st***d conservatives are always have horrible ideas.
@@mtmg3648 I get that vibe as well, he is so much smarter than she is, regardless if you agree with him or not.
Where everyone agrees and u hear ur own echo
I think I’m gonna watch this and not breaking points from now on. Krystal is deranged.
Look who she married, I don't think it helps.
Before pressing play, reach back in memory time and play the musical opener in your mind. Then, let it fly. "Marshall and Saagar here. Welcome BACK, to The Realignment!" 🤩
Also the best part of this episode was the presidential history section.
I would watch 5 hours a day of Saagar and Marshall discussing American history. You guys underestimate how much people want to hear more about the 1800s, and Saagar in particular is well positioned to speak on it.
Please do this.
You are assuming they are not full of crap. They are.
@ i love these guys, do I believe every single thing they say - of course not, they have their angle and agenda. I have mine. But I love these guys. They definitely changed my mind on some things. Maybe they leaned on the information to do so, the thing is I don’t really care.
They assume thier audience knows nothing about history. Saagar is a sociopathic liar.
@@explainingpolitics In other words, liars are fine as long as they confirm your prior beliefs.
@@peterstafford4426 you call it lying, I call it their angle and agenda. If you get no value from it, move on. I do however get value from this podcast.
Saagar and Marshall want to let both sides emerge and then move on. Emily and Ryan want to let both sides emerge and then move on. Krystal cannot stand any side but her own emerging and refuses to move on unless she is the only one left standing.
Dude, at no point was the general public pro open borders level immigration. The far right wants no immigration. The far left wants no borders.
Most of us are good with immigration that's metered and under control.
The people of this country and the federal government have a duty to manage how many people and who enters the country and when.
I think there is a movement in the "populist Right' to put a pause on all Immigration until we can restore order and relieve the pressure of the current levels of Illegal immigration. Charlie Kirk speaks about this all the time. Ideas such as ending Birthright citizenship and the H1B1 debates are coming from this group.
This. Most people like having a modest amount of immigrants that speak decent English and can fit in with a high-trust community. Don't aggressively barter with the Walmart cashier, don't hit on 14 year old girls, don't bring foreign ethnic conflicts to our streets, don't simp for ISIS, etc.
As a genuine question for you here: The far right people you are alluding to are sitting senators/house members/cabinet members looking to completely shut the border via laws. The far left people you mention are young people on twitter with like 10k followers. Do you really think there is an equivalence of power between those two factions?
Marshall’s Stache is the best thing about 2025 so far by a mile and your soul knows I’m not kidding.
After 10 minutes all I heard is two D.C. insiders frame the election is graduate school polling metrics as opposed to the substantive reasons why voting trends across the country went to Donald Trump. You both should seriously consider expanding the conversation to thoughtful, knowledgeable people outside of the talking head bubble.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I feel like these two people have a slight disdain for the voter population too. They're the epitome of the Vivek boy meets world mentality
@@JayKno420Sooo true 😂
JD> Vivek for sure
Vance is America First. Vivek is India First
Vance/Rubio will be good.
@ meh, not interested in neocons
Actual discourse. Better than what Breaking Points has morphed into.
This is the first time I’ve seen Saagar not wear a suit
I can tell you are new. He always is casual on this podcast
Even his casual is pretty good.
no Krystal zone
Y’all don’t get this but most of us are willing to make sacrifices as far as cuts as long as there is a reasonable end goal! I know y’all think us working class plebes can’t think past the end of our noses but it’s about the country not collapsing in 20-30 year
How do you define sacrifices?
I had Senator Chris Murphy on the show last week, and as he pointed out, back during the December budget fight Republicans tried to finance upper-income tax cuts with cuts to social security and medicare.
Voters rightfully won't sign up for that.
Saagar and Marshall dig the vibe without realizing the vibe will never dig them
You are incorrect
very stupid comment
was that a racism dogwhistle?
This is one of the smartest political channels out there.
Geezuz. This really was a bunch of nothing.
Sagar the vibe has shifted
Saagar is one of the best political opinion commentators today.
I totally like his analysis and how honest and real he is about. What’s impacting people in our politics. He has a new fan. 🙂🙂
What can we do to ensure we get these two on a weekly basis?!? 🙏🏾
Find a way to get The Realignment to 1/2 of BP's revenue haha.
The real talk is that the two of us have two different careers and different uses of our time. BP's a legit business vs. The Realignment being a non-profit policy show that's more like a think tank project.
When we started, we were just DC 20-somethings whose interests were way more similar.
BP is over..People can't stand Karen
I was a subscriber until 2023 when I could no longer take her shrill, as well as her jackass husband when they had him on so much. Ryan Grimm is so much more well presented than KB, he presents so much more authentically. Saagar needs to either lose her. I know that won't happen
49min of preoccupation with strategy, 0min on policy/substance that will lead to thriving. These guys still don’t get what this election was truly about
yeah because the election wasn’t about policy. Name policies that will lead to “thriving” that isn’t culture war related. You can’t.
If you think that elections are won and lost on policies instead of sentiment/"vibe," then you dont understand politics at all. Luckily, Trump gets it, and most Democrats dont
@@wilsonxr11Border. done.
@wilsonxr11 It's actually extremely easy.
Getting a handle on immigration and deportations will not only save the country money in welfare that we don't have to give them. It will also ease the housing crisis. Also, it will lead to less crime. In addition, since many undocumented workers work under the table, it will force those qoh employ them to pay payroll tax.
Increasing oil production will increase supply relative to demand and eventually reduce the cost of fuel which reduces the cost of transportation which makes our businesses more economically viable.
Pulling out of the Paris climate accords will help as well. It's pointless for countries to burden with abstract emissions goals when over half the globe, India, China and Russia aren't going to comply anyway.
@@wilsonxr11Then why Kamala copy+paste half of trumps proposals😅
You two are the best! Thank you!
By 10:22 Saagar says
-of the public: "people change their minds all the time"
-but also, of business leaders trying to assess the environment: "things haven't changed much, you need to look carefully at the fundamentals"
🤔🤔🤔🤌🤌🤌🤦♂️
let Saager talk more next time. He's so used to letting Krystal run all over him he doesn't have it in him to take control of a conversation when frankly, he should.
Krystal’s the alpha, yep
Excellent talk today guys. This gave me so much insight into the future of American politics and the conservative movement.
Saagar is an economic democrat, there’s really no philosophical difference between him and Krystal, they both believe in government intervention into the economy.
Then why does Krystal demolish him every time they debate?
Then why do him and Krystal debate all the time? Krystal wins them all
@@nc-fs5lw they just debate degrees of intervention, the guy says that Lincoln, FDR and LBJ were great presidents lol they were disasters
@@GoldenRam31 they just debate degrees of intervention, the guy says that Lincoln, FDR and LBJ were great presidents lol they were disasters
No, He is pure libertarian capitalist. US today is anti-thesis of open market. Too big to fail is not capitalism.
I think what Marshal talks about at the end here is exactly right, and I've kinda been wondering why a lot of the populist right viewers of Krystal and Saagar have soured on Krystal. And I think it's because Krystal used to recognize this. I don't remember specific quotes, but she used to do a better job at recognizing how the cultural leftism wasn't as important and was sometimes detrimental when it came to advocating for economic leftism. And I think the populist left has definitely been handicapped by how far the culural left has moved and become center stage in popular culture in recent years. It will definitely take someone willing to recognize that and speak to it clearly and concisely to help shift the tide for the Dems.
I've watched Krystal since she was on the Hill and used to love her. For me, it's because her Twitter brainrot has reached the stage where she can't think critically or reconcile her contradictory beliefs. Best example is her stance on immigration.
She always mentions some study that "proves" more immigration raises everyone's wage. Then she'll add that immigrants take jobs that Americans won't accept. And yet, when Amazon brings in scabs to replace their striking workforce, she can instantly see how it depresses wages and kneecaps the bargaining power of the working class. During the COVID years, she mentioned again and again that the lowered supply of workers was a great thing for bargaining power and resulted in many union battles won.
The only way it makes sense is if she's working backwards from the standard online leftie conclusion of "anything to do with immigrants = good".
@j.c.jeggis1818 Immigration is definitely where I noticed a clear breakdown in her reasonable-ness as well. As someone who is more left-leaning, I think, the amount of credence she gives to the open borders crowd is crazy. Maybe to some extent lefties like her recognized that being in the middle on the border was becoming untenable so they kinda rationalized not being open borders to themselves. The crazy part is I remember Kyle did a video talking about how the border issue is one of those issues where he's more conservative than most progressives, so I wonder if he's shifted or if they maybe don't agree on that.
But honestly, it started earlier with her embrace of the trillion dollar coin and Modern Monetary Theory. This clearly bonkers theory that just says economics doesn't matter anymore and we can do mental gymnastics to get ourselves out of inflation without actually paying for anything was just mind-boggling to me. And it just kinda goes to show how far she sometimes will go in order to defend the most radical left-wing ideas.
Thanks!
I'll expand on this later, but the TLDR of my point is that right economic populism has an economic bent *and* a socio-cultural bent.
A lot of leftists look at Bernier's 2016 success as a validator of the economic populist thesis, but they undercount that Bernie *also* had a socio-cultural bent. His critique of Hillary wasn't just that she didn't support Medicare for All, it was that she was 30 year veteran of Washington who owned a huge set of choices people hated. You could sign up for the anti-Hillary train without having to care about economic populism/democratic socialism.
The 2020 campaign-plus version hasn't found it's anti-Hillary equivalent.
@@therealignmentI think this is unfair. Krystal clearly stated while speaking with Cenk that she wants a coalition that is big enough for pro-lifers, gun enthusiasts and ppl who disagree with her on immigration etc. but wants litmus tests on Econ. What has shifted is that the populist right has also upped the cultural war rhetoric as the anti-woke movement has gained power. It’s a shift in power dynamics where she’s adjusting her opinion based on balance of risks in society w respect to populist right.
Organic my ass! Russia gate! Or me too!
Sagar, start your own show !!! ❤
Please 🙏 for the love of God ! I can not take Krystal any longer ! Please brother !
Politics is downstream from culture
Saagar in a sweatshirt!? Omg!❤🎉
First time back to your channel in a year. I’ll give you 5 min out of respect for Marshall. Saagar, you’re dead to me.
Best in the biz
As a young American it is absolutely essential we get rid of social security for at least create an opt out. It's absolutely insane that I'm forced to pay into a system I never wanted ever voted for by force that will benefit older people and will not be there mathematically by the time I would get it and it is at the opportunity cost something investing in a market count or it could actually get real returns over 40 years. Realistically it needs to be phased out with an opt out raise the retirement age etc. This is reverse Robin Hood economics old people get everything and young people get screwed The best predictor to know how much net worth the person has is their age we're taking young people's much lower income with no net worth and usually a negative net worth and giving it to old people that on average have hundreds of thousands in equity in their home retirement account and then social security Medicare Medicaid It is insane. I don't know how any left-wing person who is about the quality can be for this reverse Robin Hood!
The only way I have figured out to avoid it is to work for myself and claim a very low income so I paid much lower payroll and employer tax because there is literally no opt out!
@Ryanrobi The issue with SS is there's a cap. So the REAL robber barons pay a fraction of a fraction of someone like me. Don't pretend to be robin hood and then advocate for the kings to hoard more wealth.
If you're gonna complain about not wanting to pay your fair share of taxes, feel free, but crying about wanting to cut social services and disguise that under "why help old people" is wild if you understand WHY things like housing is expensive and why we created SS in the first place. It's not cause a grandma in a $100k house is getting enough checks to survive. It's cause business owners like you want to cry about paying into a system that actually does what Robinhood would do. Distribute money to those who need it. Have fun dodging your taxes.
You, Ryan, are 1000% correct. Stealing from the young to pay the old does not work when there are so many more old than young. Problem is, one, you live in a democracy which means you'll do what the majority tells you to do, two, the elite (who can do something about this because democracy is an illusion) have no interest in doing anything about this - the opposite actually, three, even if you get rid of SS, this will get paid out of some other pot of money you will be forced to pay into disproportionally. I avoid it by living off my assets - which is zero payroll tax and I pretty much account for a loss every year.
Welcome to DemocracyTM, there is a reason the Greeks thought it was mid.
Agreed, tax is theft
They've been saying that social security will run out for about as long as social security has existed.
@@j.c.jeggis1818 Possibly, but that is not an argument nor is it actionable. How would SS run out of money? The most obvious way is more people would be taking money out than putting money in. How would that happen? Well people having less kids. Are people having less kids? Why yes, they are, quite a bit under replacement and have been for some time. Oh, you say, then just have the government use general funds to pay for the shortfall. Well, who service that debt? Grandma? No, she won't, you will still be taking from the young to enrich the old. Well, how about tax the rich? You know who pays said "taxes on the rich"? You. The rich just appropriate said taxes as an operational expense and raise prices accordingly, you are the ones who ultimately pay taxes on the rich. Well how about MMT (print money)? This is the worst case, because you pay inflation tax - and few things make the rich richer and the poor poorer than inflation. So maybe you need to think more and type less.
So this is where those intelligentsia rats have been hiding
Saagar - you and Marshall are like metal sharpening metal. I don't have to agree with a lot of it to learn from most of it. Your other co-host OTOH....I'll take Mom's advice and not say anything at all.
Ahhh finally get to hear what saager actually thinks
Trump 2016-2019 was f* epic
Glad I found this so I can hear Saagar without Krystal
So great to see Saagar without Kristal
So what I learned here is that nobody wants to tackle the 36t debt. The tech right is trying but that's just political poison. Well, I guess america can just see what happens if it's not addressed then.
In what part of the multiverse do people underestimate just how damaging the hostage crisis was Carter? It's like saying that people underestimate the ability of water to get you wet.
Idk, if you care about culture stuff, about how other people choose to live their lives, more than the material economic condition of your own life, whether you have a good job and can afford everything you need, then you deserve whatever shit situation you may end up in.
Don't call Saagar a co-host, Krystal is his co-host. She should just get segments when he's nice enough to let her lol
Marshall really demonstrates his intellectual superiority to Krystal😅
People aren't giving Vivek enough credit for the EO's that have already been signed.
Marshall should grow a beard.
I came to say how much I enjoy sagar not being interrupted by Krystal, but it seems I am way late to that party!
You need Right populism to achieve Left populism. Curb immigration to keep healthcare costs down, and protectionism to keep wages high.
I find the comment were they say that 2028 JD Vance will be different and evolved contradicts the logic around Kamala Harris, where the event of the previous election injured her electability this time around, why does this not apply to Vance with the cats and dogs and such?
Great point.
To expand, it wasn't just that Kamala made damaging statements in 2019. Everyone makes mistakes. It was that she didn't have the confidence/awareness/ability to convince people she'd changed.
My bet is that JD won't do anything during the Trump presidency to reinforce the cat ladies attack and will stay away from abortion and other social issues that hurt him with moderate voters.
Unlike Kamala, who made her 2019 statements *and* couldn't account for them after being made the "Border Czar."
@@therealignmenthe recently defended the German Afd on Twitter. Like last week
Finally more Saagar without Krystal
Saagar back to these podcast cause he know breaking points with Krystal isn’t cutting it anymore. Shes muzzled him. At least he’s been fighting back lately.
Marshall, Marshall. Marshall.... consistency is your strength! Your analysis of the past, present and future are wrong.
Bong rips for Saagar
Why isn't Marshall invited on BP? He's always good
Saagar still comes on this pod?
Yall don't mention the crimes and lies very much do you
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I only came to listen to Saagar but I hear this other guy talking banalities with a pomp
Enjoy you both, and Saagar, you gotta dump Krystal. She's a nightmare. Find a real left populist - hell, Anna Kasparian might be a good choice. Almost anyone besides Frosted Flakes' wife.
Ana went on The Sitch & Adam Show recently and explained her rationale for staying at TYT. Something to the effect of trying to counterbalance deranged far left ideology with a sane lefty voice the network desperately needs.
When I saw Saggar was doing content with out crazy Krystal I breathed a deep sigh of relief. Excited to here a more rational conversation.
Go watch Tim pool or PBD if you need right wing trash. I like BP how it is with Saagar and Krystals unhinged takes together. 😁
The problem isn’t Krystal it’s the BP show its format and its audience. BPs audience are just brainless “populists” who don’t engage critically with history or news. They get their news from social media and that’s it. The reason why Saager is better here is bc this show is a book club first. So ofc you will get a more rational discussion. I don’t even like Krystal fyi
@@OfficialSureFirePlan Totally agree. Saagar and Marshall together wield more intellectual heft than Krystal will over the course of her entire lifetime. If they added Emily, the hard drive on my computer would explode. It would be so good.
Yes, a different kind of s***s***.
No suit Saagar? Oh man. For shame. You are one step away from Fetterman!
You just need someone here to turn every conversation into Gaza or Elon
Saagar has my vote. I'm a Bernie guy. go figure.
I find the hate on Krystal here a bit much. I still like her and I think Saagar does too. Maybe Marshall doesn’t tho. It’s nice to see Dems out of power but she’s not wrong about what a horrible person Trump is. Don’t negatively polarize.
Why does Saager own a Dave & Buster's hoodie?
Skiing idioms are hot right now
IKR
is that john fetterman?
Noticing noticing.
Saagar puts too much meaning into Trump's win as a 'mandate' from the people, and seems to discount the anti-incumbency feeling which has hit globally. This was a change election no matter what, and Saagar is using this as a cover to push forward what "he thinks" the American people voted for, when in actuality they just wanted someone else to try to deal with inflation and high prices. And with our two party system, it happens to be Trump. (Would be more interesting of a result in a multi-party system)
You'd have more of a point if left liberal parties weren't getting crushed everywhere and not just incumbents. The only exceptions are basically England and countries where the left liberals decided to actually do something about immigration. People really hate immigration and it's been forced on people for decades.
If you don’t see this election as a referendum against woke ideology, you’re still behind the curve
Yeah. If Dems sweep in 26 and win in 28 are we really going to be surprised? I think the real story will be that since 2016 every election will be a black lash against whoever is in power
We dont get access to the best polls. Biden's people, prior to his drop out, had him losing far more badly than any polls at the time did. Kamala's team never had her winning, which is why they had to cope with conspiracy theories about republican women all lying to their husbands and everyone else about how theyll vote.
Similarly, there were certainly polling reasons that Kamala's team decided to maximally distance themselves from idpol, wokeness, and DEI policies.
There was an anti-incumbacy shift, broadly related to worldwide disatisfaction with covid measures and their consequences, but it is still cope to act like americans werent fed up with the cultural reform movements of the social left.
Saagar, listening to you talk realpolitik and giving your honest informed opinion here, then flipping over to BP to listen to you cohost with a foaming activist driven by her emotions... it's depressing. Sorry I don't tune into BP as much as I'd like to, to support you. I just can't take it, and it's getting worse. I wonder where you could find a more intelligent partner....
But slippery slope is a fallacy...
No it's really not, you can paint it as such, but it's something that has been proven time and time again throughout history with real world examples.
Saagar is even more incoherent here than he is on BP. What are you doing with this guy Marshall?
Saagar wish you would get your own show. I cant stand that the price to listen to you is that I have to listen to Krystal and her Climate Change SoCal not having these conditions fro 1,200 years. Ive taken you off my list of shows and have gone back to The hill again and find Robby's take very good. You don't need her! Let here and Kyle do their own thing!
So you want a circle jerk for your own biased opinion?
I always scroll past her talking.
Marshall kind of looks like Mr Milchick
lmfao. looking forward to Season 2 man! intrigued with the first ep already.
This made me laugh.
Just started Severance
Saagar Fetterman
The Bulwark is a hilarious clown show.
ABC
Marshall has a moustache?
More celebration of Trump's fascism.
He won against two women not a man that’s the difference. Sexism 101
Saagar looking like a little kid after Krystal destroyed him again 😂😂😂
From Mayorkas to Noem. Incompetents R' Us.
yikes
When you say vibe, do you mean seig hieling? Cause our shadow president is a billionaire yatzi, attempting to support far right governments across the planet
Saagar argued that Elon's Hitler salute was not a Hitler Salute. That is exactly what you would expect from a fascist. If Elon wore a swasika, Saagar would say its because Elon is a fan of its ancient roots. He'd say something like "The swastika is an ancient symbol that originated in Eurasia and likely dates back to the Neolithic period, around 10,000 BCE. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit words su (good) and asti (to be), which together mean "well-being"
Stability.... Germans felt the same way about hitler. Germany was high civilization of Europe and from the chaos, they chose hitler and regrets didn't matter until after they lost
You've already had him in power for 4 years. He wasn't Hitler then, he isn't Hitler now. You lost. Cry more.
Sagar, Start your own show !Please 🙏 for the love of God ! I can not take Krystal any longer ! Please brother !
And stop degredating your State as a bunch of right wing idiots ..we want common sense immigration no war and $ out of politics..
Vivek is campaigning for senator in Ohio. He’s out of doge.