Schottlander he also sinned 2 retractable sin moments in his Final Fantasy 15 Sin video, but he eplained on his twitch stream that he has a habit of just retroactivly giving sins, unless it has something to do with good plot moments.
Better yet, shouldn't sin retractions not even exist since they retract valid points? I've never quite understood why a valid point suddenly gets retracted because an entirely unrelated thing is good enough to forget it even existed. Like here, he praised Platinum for knowing how to do boss fights and retracted a sin. Now what if the sin before that...was racism? That's like saying racism is fine because boss fights are fun. Makes no sense, and retracts a legit valid point.
I never took it as if it was invalidating a sin, I take it as 'that was good enough to make me gloss over some of the worst parts of your game'. For instance, if a game has mediocre writing overall, but the dialog is horrible almost always, and yet the combat is absolutely fanfuckingtastic, I could deal with the horrid dialog for that combat.
17:35 Actually 9S isn't infected at this point at all, because he wasn't connected to the server. He is infected later because of the arm that he took from the 2B corpse near the end. Actually there are a lot of things you call plot-holes, that aren't actually plot-holes, but just things you didn't understand, but... I know that a lot of stuff in this video isn't meant to be taken 100% seriously, so I doubt you or anyone else cares :P
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Yoko Taro decides to emulate Kojima and adopt "there are no facts, only interpretations" to "explain" the plot holes
Actually, he would do that to troll everyone. That is why the data deletion thing exists, to troll people(mainly 100% completionists, he hates them. He also hates children).
It's like sin about "why didn't Ryder and Ryder Sr. not share the helmet?" It'd be a reasonable question if they *BOTH* didn't die even with the god damn helmet on, and why risk both of them dying. I'm not defending the writing this game had (nor the stupid assholes who made the game), but stupid nitpicks, especially ones that are easily answered with a simple thought, are not funny.
I agree with you. There were some things that were just too subtle if you didn't pay attention while playing. Otherwise, for the most part, it all made perfect sense.
During my first playthroughs I also thought that the emotions were strange considering they can just get new bodies, but when you have completed the game suddenly realize why 2B is trying to be cold but loses it when 9S is in danger and dies, and it is so so sad.
The point still stands though. Why give them emotions in the first place if they aren't allowed to have any? It's not like androids are BORN that way, they are built and programmed so the creators have control over what they want to put in. And it's not like they aren't aware that they are doing fucked up shit to them - there's literally a point where the game tells you that YorHa androids get powered by machine cores instead of whatever "hearts" regular androids have, because they found it too cruel to make them full-fledged androids only for them to get killed as part of the plan later. So why the fuck would you give them emotions, which would mean they would suffer endlessly?
HaichaoTeaLover I mean the same with the replicant from the first game, they are shell, they aren’t supposed to have consciousness, but after thousand year they started to have one, and that why gestalt and replicant couldn’t fuse in the first game. The same with this game I believe, the Android wasn’t supposed to have feeling either, it just something that happen. There are many media cover the idea what if A.I has consciousness already. This game went a bit further to depict what would happen afterward, and reflecting our society that was build up through millennium, and tried to explain what would make a thing to become sentient. There are a lots of video express the meaning of this game better than I do. It all depend upon yourselves like it or not really. P.s: English is not my first language, so there might be grammatical error.
Because it’s an older model of android, the humans made them in their image to not only be careful and calculating but also having emotion. Hoping, them ever finding a human remnant because life finds a way and all. The new restrictions are of commander android trying to suppress as they are lost lamb without a human shepherd to guide. I think.
SleepySera it’s all part of the nier experiment. ... that the pods burnt and sent crashing to the ground, if you decide to save 2B and 9S at the very end.
My answer to most of these sins is "ego" Androids believing machines don't have feelings, hearts, reasoning, etc. Is their ego. They think they're superior. Yet they're basically the same thing
+baboner Not exactly. Androids were made to the image of the humans, meaning they had human like bodies and emotions from the get go. The machines didn't, they DEVELOPED feelings and self reasoning, they didn't have those features at the beginning. If anything, the machines are MORE like humans than the androids are because the machines can EVOLVE
This is why I love this game. Never thought of that. But my comment was more based on 9s's machine comments. He and other androids feel superior despite the blackbox is pretty much based off machines (unless I understood that wrong)
Actually play through C and it's explained that "nope, they're basically the exact same thing lolz". Heavy spoilers so beware: Androids in general were created by humans, but YoRHa are not regular androids. They were created specifically to give a reason to live to all of the other androids following the extinction of the human species that they were designed to protect and love. YoRHa were created by androids who, in their hubris, thought that machine lifeforms had no feelings and no potential to develop them. They were dead wrong, though, but this would come up much later. YoRHa were created using machine lifeform cores - that is what their black boxes are in reality. The cores and black boxes already fulfilled the same function: they are the reactors that power their bodies and, unless tied to a network, also house their mind and memory. The machine lifeforms and YoRHa are essentially the same thing but, as with all wars, the best way to ensure your soldiers perform dutifully would be to de-"humanize" the opposing side. That's why you always hear the "they're just machine lifeforms, they have no feelings" or "they're just mimicking human behavior, I don't think they know what that even means" excuses at various points during the game. A2's character development comes when she realizes that machine lifeforms are actually sentient through Pascal and his village, for example. This doesn't extend to other androids like Jackass or Anemone as they were not part of YoRHa.
+Avadastro There is a theory though, one that i think has some validity, that states that the YoRHa project was infact NOT designed by androids, BUT by the Machine's AI Terminal. Which would make sense, considering the similarities in build
Only YoRHa models use those and they are just power sources. None of the other androids have them and canonically the few in the know regarding the machine core usage did see the YoRHa as being sub-Android as it were.
Jack Imaginário I'm 15 and I have played a lot of games. The story of nier is impressive like a lot of other Japanese games' story which is why I am a fan of Japanese games. The gameplay of nier also feels really good. If you don't like it's okay but don't tell me I'm an idiot for liking it
I really wonder how old you are if you're throwing a huge tantrum while using caps over an opinion that's diffrent than yours. It's not really how adults discuss things, you know?
I count 46 'sins' you got wrong (and an extra for which you should remove a sin): 1) Narration - This is getting extremely old. 2) Explained in route C. 3) They are also UI items. In between 6 and 7 should be a negative sin. 9) Covered in Route C. Androids don't handle excessive emotion well. 10) He's an android not human, makes sense could survive...Oh wait, he doesn't, his injuries will 'kill' him shortly. 11) Covered in Route C. 12) Covered as soon as you get to the bunker: Bandwidth. 13) If it's believable, remove a sin. 15) Since it is very possible the backup doesn't work, or that there was no time to back up themselves, or that they would only return to the 'person' they were at their last back up, the person they were at the time of their 'death' would die, it makes sense that they'd feel like they would die. This is also explained in part via an Email about storage being limited. 16) Black boxes are covered in Route C. 18) Hey, he got a report about her, covered in Route B. 20) Nope, they learn much like humans, because they mimic humans, it's propaganda, Covered in Route C. 21, 22, 23) Covered in Routes A, B, C. 24) Propaganda, again, also Covered in Route C. 30) Explained in Route C. 34) Propaganda (seriously, did you even play this game?) 35) *sigh* Covered in Routes A, B, C. 36) Covered in Route C. 38) Incorrect, they have hearts, or the mechanical equivalent, the machines don't. 43, 48) Propaganda, Covered in Route C. 56) Covered with 'sin' 15. 61) Covered in Routes A and B, it only occurs once they are disconnected from the network since that is the only way they can actually 'die'. Eve goes nuts because his brother is actually dead. Refer back to 'sin' 9 and Routes C. 62) They're curious. Why are humans obsessed with prehistoric animals? Stupid 'sin'. 64) Wrong. Explained in Route C. 69) Play the game, he's right, your 'sin' is wrong. 70) Explained in Route B. 71) Yeah, where a lot of stuff gets explained you impatient twit. 72) Breaking his neck and severing his 'brain' from his power 'heart'. 73) Not really since they're mimicing them. 76) This actually goes towards explaining some of the things you sin. 82) Not the point, again, mimicing humans (trying to). 86) The machines don't understand, in addition, the Forest Machines are disconnected from the network, so they are lacking a lot of information that they would have otherwise. This causes confusion for them (and other machines) later. 90) It could be 'F**k' or 'Kill' 2B. Explained in Route C. 92) You should have taken off 2 sins for this because you proved yourself wrong for sins 15 and 56 since it is clear to you at this point 9S has been killed multiple times and clearly has no knowledge or recollection of it, almost as if he's a completely new person each time. Also, hiding, or at least not being open about, humanity's fate is perfectly reasonable. 9S is very good at what he does, but is prone to becoming unstable, this information does not help his stability, to forstalling it as long as possible is a good idea to get the most out of your tools before they break. 96) 9S is not the same type of android, his internal firewall is much better because he is meant to hack into other things. Preventing viruses from infecting the android that can hack into all of your stuff makes a lot of sense. 97) Better reception, more bandwidth. It makes sense. 98) Covered later on, a planned thing to bring down Yorha, makes sense it would also incorporate misinformation being fed to Yorha. 99) Covered in a part you skipped and 'sin' 96: 9S stops the sync prematurely, this saves 2B for a short time (though her sync was further along than his). The Commander is the highest ranking Yorha member, also the only unique android (from what I've seen), her firewall isn't as good as 9S' who is actively in danger of being hacked himself on the field, but it is better than the standard Yorha android. 103) No, because A2 isn't connected to the Bunker and didn't sync up with it. How did you miss this, it was explicitly explained when the Commander was infected. 105) 9S wouldn't have listened, he made up his mind as soon as 2B was killed, his mental state was already deteriorating. He stopped listening to the Pod by this point. 110) Actually it does explain why they feel the way they do and what happened. 113) They carry weapons in some sort of magical, magnetic sheath, one that is (augmented by the flight suit) able to swing the Goliath's arm as a weapon, what's to say that same tech isn't helping to support them and make them 'lighter'; Because of this, they are some of the only characters that it makes sense for them to be able to double jump. She hovers over the ground while dashing and leaves a burning line on the ground with her toe, but sand surfing in heals is what gets you? 125) See, told you the game explains it, kinda kills your #110 sin.
97, which is 9S able to upload all the data during Route C but could only upload 2B's at the beginning of the game can also be left up the interpretation that he actually DID upload his data at the beginning of the game and just lied about it. It wouldn't be the first time he's done that.
yup i just put 2 more that you did'nt .. basic i really doubt he really play the game in the form.. i want understand it.. it was more i play the game.. if its not easy to understand.. is a sin..
1) I have not seen or heard 'salty' used in forever, makes me feel like a teenager again. 2) I'm not. I usually like these because quite often he makes a lot of good points (and I left those alone in this video when he did, or when it was funny). These were mostly cheep shots for no reason, especially the ones where he contradicted himself (when he pointed out the answer to something that he sinned).
Also from the looks of it he mostly did the main story which means he missed out on all the information that certain side quests would have given him. I understand he has limited time but surely it would be better to search up which side quests are important so he could sin accurately
Initial reaction: This game is amazing, outstanding, and is in no way problematic. Final reaction: This game is amazing, outstanding, and is in no way problematic.
17:00 I retract a sin for the "You did an backup faster this time". The last time he did, there wasn't enough bandwidth to do both. But I add a sin again for "Uploading data while wide-area viruses spam the city" You don't do a backup, while your PC has a virus.
Many of the "sins" listed make more sense when you look at the game as a whole (minus the obvious clad outfits and sexuality of 2B and A2) and thus...they are not really sins and more like a premature opinion of someone. This game isnt trying to be deep, it is. Best example: Why do they try to stay alive at all costs, despite having a backup ready most of the time? If you copy your memories into a clone of yourself and you die...well, that clone might be exactly as you were when you died BUT YOU ARE STILL DEAD. Your Consciousness in that very moment is dead aka you are dead. Any clone that exists next or after you is a separate being that just so happens to have the same set of memories than you. Doesn't make it 100% you. That is also why there is no happy ending in this game.
That would be true if a switch of bodies wasn't treated as the most trivial thing EVER and you doing it every few minutes all throughout the entire game 😂 Every. Single. Time. you teleport or go back to the bunker you replace your body. The ONLY thing you send around is your data, the body gets built by the vending machines/access points whereever you leave one out of fresh materials (confirmed by Yoko Taro himself and also highlighted in the game by the fact that quicktravel causes you to return to regular looks if you had used self-destruct before). So...sorry, but you are wrong about the whole "a clone of you with your conciousness is not you" thing. Just because one resistance member at the start of the game mumbles about the old ship of theseus thought experiment doesn't mean that actually is an issue for any of the characters in the game.
Interesting, I know this is 1 year late but this is something that everyone missed: One of the vendors in the camp talks about this very clearly, where he claims that he refuses to replace his last old part as he fears that by doing so he would no longer be himself, this obviously opens up one of the many conversations in the game, as we are obviously meant to ask ourselves "what exactly makes us "us"". Now, wen androids upload to the bunker, they will still be the same person wen they are reborn, as they are basically linked whit a server, so the data that was on that body is the same used on the later (dare for not a different being), specially since we see that 9S is still conscious while only being data, only wen the upload is sadly impossible is wen they cease to exist, as this "new" them will be lost forever (basically, as long as you are connected to the server, you are always the same person, but any time you are disconnected, or unable to upload is wen you basically "die") But, by the end, we basically get the only happy ending we could wish for, as the Pods all this time, basically created private "memory" data of 9S, 2B and A2, which means, that they were like floating brains saving every memory their master made, so basically the 9S, 2B and A2 we got by the end of route E have ALL of their past lifes memorys, basically, they get to trully be whole as all their data is now one, so yes, 9S, 2B and A2 survived at the end, all thx to the player/pods, as we preserved their memorys for them.
@@cephalonhope8006 "this is something that everyone missed" That's LITERALLY what I mentioned in my comment. It's the ship of theseus thought experiment. And aside from his silly little thought experiment, it ISN'T an issue for anyone else ever, throughout the entirety of the game.
@@sleepysera I was just trying to explain that for our MCs, specially 2B, mind was more important than body, unlike the android at the camp, they could care less for their body as long as their memory's remain, specially by the end of the game, where 2B transfers her data to A2 instead of bringing everything whit her to the grave, showing that she does care about her memory's despite all she has done to 9S.
@@sleepysera When you switch bodies the characters don't lose any memory, Therefore it doesn't count to them as dying. The androids consider dying as anytime they lose their memories because by losing their current memories they lose who they are in that current moment. Yet they aren't afraid of moving their consciousness to and from places since they don't actually lose any memory.
Some of the things you call plot holes aren't holes at all. For instance, the reason the Aliens don't attack the moon base is because they have all been dead for centuries along with the humans being dead for just as long
actually aliens didn't need to do anything about that moon base.. actually is more possible that moon base were used by machines for make Yorha. i will just explain why a little further. Human extintion is like 4000 date aliens come way later to a world with now humans only androids ... that was said not only by dates, but by commander to 9s when he discover that moon have a relay base to give androids a reason to fight. So aliens enter and fight emil.. well i still not do that sorry i can help more aobout that part but i will continue after emil. Machines want evolve more, but who can they fight.. androids just have a rumor that humans are extinct and lose their will to fight (and some even live).. some uses those twins androis for escape. So machines decide make a plan, they make yorha put a relay server on moon simulating humans are alive. And then they destroy yorha when time has come, only for start again with new YorHa.. that is covered in last tower.
Machine did not make Yorha. The Devola and Popola we meet started the project with some others. It's written in their memories. Black Box and Yorha Project also points towards regular androids as the makers of Yorha. The npc Jackass also gives some details regarding Yorha.
he not devola and popola make the lunar base.. at best that is a place where they storage of adn and human records where... The machines hack the lunar base.. that is what you found in last mission tower. Now why were not resistence.. well they dont have the technology for do that... actually androids never had a chance at all.. did first part of emil.. and seems only emil could stop aliens... at cost of his memories. I have to say again.. that was said by commander and later confirmed in some archives.. when aliens come humans were extinct, and aliens didn't encounter resistence apart of emil. We also know that androids don't have technology for make Yorha (i mean 2A or more of those units).. that is said over and over when they had to make trades with pascal for parts. Last in tower when the AI split and multiply, they are show interested in make the enemy stronger for make themself stronger.. and based in that conversation... seems they had do it for a long time.. actually the sin of that game is not about Yorha... is about machines.. Is implied that they made Yorha a lot of times.... at same time they destroyed Yorha a lot of times.. i dont see why this is time is so different. Other is the dates.. again.. human go extinct 4200 CE.. aliens attack 11945 CE, if androids wanted to make and destroy Yorha for the illlution of humans still there, Yorha will go extinct kinda fast.. more they didn't know that alines will come like dont know over 4000 years later... What is true is the bunker was made by androids not Yorha.. they just put a bunker with data.. and machines hack it.. and use it.. they make Yorha too to keep the illustion. Also if Yorha were made using machines cores.. where they find it.. if aliens come that time later. There is a chance that could had exist before aliens a Yorha, but its not the same as yorha that is 2A or 2B. probably the real answer is more that Yorha 1 was not so good (if were emil actions dont have sense) and later when Yorha was destroyed (by androids or machines or aliens) machine hack human server and make a Yorha 2. or more numbers... PD: actually i have to stop here.. cause still not finish the second part of emil.. and seems i will get the answer there.. a read a little more trying to see the point .. but seems is kinda correct.. there is no 1 YorHa .. there are a lot of YorHas .. and the first ones. the one that made the bunker and human council.. disapear long ago...
Camilo, you seem to be misunderstanding a lot of plot points. The documents/dialogues I listed in the previous comment are quite clear. The Machine Report given to you by Jackass at the end also points in the same direction. You forgot that Devola and Popola can use maso energy, and they are in fact the ONLY androids capable of repairing 9S in route C (so all Yorha) and that's not a coincidence. Regarding Terminal Alpha and Beta I advice you to read the script of the Yorha stage play, maybe you will understand better the reason behind their actions. Also the aliens invaded in 5012 and we know that at some point Emil was helped by P-33. For thousands of years the war was only between "regular" androids and machines, the FIRST experimental Yorha were made in 11941 for the Pearl Harbor Descent mission. It all ties in with the documents: androids loss of morale, Devola and Popola starting the Project and sending human data to the moon base, the Black Box description. What the machines did was the opposite: they intentionally caused deficiencies in their network in order to NOT annihilate all androids, cause their only initial program given by the aliens was to "destroy the enemy".
I still not finish emil.. but at first part is stated.. he had to multiply for defeat aliens.. that is equal to say.. YorHa at that time didnt have enough power for that. Now stage play dont have sense.. i mean humans extinction->YorHa -> aliens attack->YorHa destroy. Basicly we can't connect the YorHa destroy with not let other androids know.. cause in middle appear aliens attack.. basicly the back door they put at first.. already happen and probably destroy the YorjHa before alines attack..
no.9 within the lore the yorha androids were actually supposed to be made without emotion. they used machine cores believing them mindless so sending them to die would be more "humane" unfortunately machines have emotions too so this idea failed.
but Androids are also created from the basis of a human's memories. That's the whole story behind *SPOILER* A2 and Kaine being the same person in nier automata. A2 was created with the memories of "a little girl who lived outside of town with her grandmother".
A big issue with Taro's games is, he calls a major arc's end and ending, and often people assume that that's it. Someone goes through the game without knowing this, and they might end up assuming that they just went through a fun romp and are done, despite ofer half of the game being just unlocked.
@@OzixiThrill The game literally has an explicit message from Square Enix at the end of Route A that the game isn't over. And Route B ends with a teaser trailer for Route C.
PopulateTheMoon also the emotion rule is to prevent 2b from experiencing any more pain from killing 9s over and over again. Sooo its to detach herself from her subject.
Maybe but is YoRha regulations. It looks prety and besides it could be a reference to Emil in the original Nier. I think that is more for protection so in that way can work
When your video is based on criticizing, even jokingly the mistakes of others then you need to make sure you don't make any yourself or you will look like a fool.
@@britneyfierce Isn't this channel for nitpicking in the first place? It's a bit unfair to say there's NOTHING wrong because it's entertainment but pointing out his nitpicks IS wrong.
I really thought you were going to sin how many times you accidentally hit the option to change your partners combat style, since it happened so often.
Really ? I tried once to see what it did and then left it on balanced for all 3 playthroughs. After that i might have oppened it once by accident. In a 40h game, it's not a lot.
It can happen a lot when you try to activate a chest or interactable (which can get pretty finicky about where you need to position yourself), and in tight spaces your partner will smoosh up against you, either pushing you off target or standing between you and the interactable, causing you to select them instead of said interactable. STOP BEING SO GODDAMN CLINGY 9S. Another quirk would be going for finishers during an intense battle, only to end up inadvertently selecting nearby corpses. In the same vein, attempting to talk to NPCs who happen to have a bunch of corpses around them (lookin' at you, Emil) can get pretty annoying.
@@readyforlol That's kind of amazing, I opened it about 50 times over 130 hours of playtime. Like someone else said, everytime I tried to interact with anything in a small area, 9S walked into me and triggered his combat style change.
Biblical naming cliche? Sure, but at least there's a cool reason. I mean, Adam was created first, then Eve burst out of his rib-cage. That's pretty neat, right? ... Right?
yeah, but when you view media through that kind of lens, all agency and traits are ripped form characters and settings. Nothing can be remarkable or awe-inspiring or moving in any way because the characters aren't making it happen, it's the creator controlling them like a puppetmaster. Darth Vader isn't really trying to redeem himself, the creator is just making him toss the emperor down a power shaft.
@@Nahobino777 I know this is a year old, but they do address this in-game. Adam chose the names from reading the Bible. Eve complains, and wishes they could have been Cain and Able. But Adam refuses that, because those two didn't exactly get along.
"We can't actually die." Literally right after the prologue it's shown that 9S wasn't able to back up his data, and such he lost memories. What are you as a person without your memories?
We are talking about losing a few minutes, at worst a few hours. That's not dying. That's the norm for the high school/college aged population of most countries in the world; get really drunk and don't remember what you did the night before, once morning comes around. I'm not saying I condone that level of partying, but you are essentially saying all those people die every weekend because they lose a tiny bit of their memory 😒 Don't try to defend the lack of stakes this game has until the third playthrough.
Without your memories you are still "you". If I forgot how to my laces, am I not myself anymore? If I forgot your name, am I not me? "I" am not defined by my memories. Well then, am I defined by my body? If I lose my finger, am I still me? Is the finger me? Is my brain me? If you put my brain in your body, am I become you? Or are you me now? Its fun to think about. I think "you" are defined by your characteristics. Like the way you respond to events, how you show your feelings etc.
@@sleepysera if someone cloned you right now and then killed the non-clone, are you seriously suggesting that you're still alive because q copy of you exists? To everyone else it may seem as though you're alive, but you're dead. You don't take over the clone just because you don't exist anymore.
Linus Black Nice bait bro lmao, ik Dartigan didn't get too much into the lore since he's playing a lot of other games for his other videos, some sins he mentions are explained in the game. Nice try tho ;)
I don't do bait, this video only upsets those who love everything about it, for those who played it, and don't get emotionally attached, this video is awesome.
Because I can. My comment is simply showing the difference between Dartigan sinning a favorite game of mine to yours. I don't care, and comment how awesome it is. You care, and comment sins wrong with the video.
About the blindfolds, I think its to hide emotions. 2B mentions at various times in the game that emotions are prohibited. Eyes show a lot of emotions, and if they are hidden, you can't guess what the other is thinking, or see any emotions in their eyes. Or at least, thats how I see it ^^
Ground units wear blindfolds, while operators that stay on the station their whole lives have their mouths covered. A2 and the commander are the only androids not covering their faces. The rest is up to interpretation.
@@readyforlol i interpret it as the blindfold covering up the truth in some way. If on the eyes, you can't see the truth. Mouth, you can't say it. The ones with no blindfold know the truth
it's gray on the YoRHa base because the androids are all acting more like robots and suppressing what ever it is that seems to give them life. They do this because they are surrounded by protocol and other androids that might judge or worse. There is a culture of lifelessness on the base. That's why it's gray.....I love this game. Best game since KH1.
Note: aliens came to earth and Emil resisted, and they did the entire thing to fight Emil. And Emil alone. ... I think? It's one of the side missions that explains it. Not sure why Emil fought, though.
To be far she was normally dressed at the start of the game. :P and it was already admitted that they wanted quiet to be sexy, not like they wanted to hide it, just made an ingame reason for it. I never thought it was that dumb, skin does need oxygen, and out of all the dumb things in metal gear thats really low on list lol. I mean REALLY low. The whole language parasite thing is higher to me. feel like theres a reason its not explained well how thats supposed to work. How much of a language are you supposed to speak before it activates? cause some words sound the same as words in other countries. Skull face, you're an idiot. lol
Skin does not "need" oxygen from outside the body. Live skin cells receive oxygen to sustain themselves the same way every other organ in the body receives it - via oxygenated blood in capillaries. The reason why you might feel uncomfortable like your "skin can't breathe" in non-porous/airtight clothing like rubber gloves is not because your skin is asphyxiating from a lack of oxygen, but rather because it's not able to release the heat your body is generating. As your body heat is trapped in the covered region, you get hotter and hotter and start sweating, which is what makes you feel clammy and uncomfortable.
i like that most sins are just witty comments rather than actual problems and the video often stops to note how good this game is! love yoko taro, such an unusual game
At this point, I’m convinced that, whenever somebody points out a plothole in NieR: Automata, its fans will just default to claiming that any contradiction was deliberate. That doesn’t make the game clever or deep, though. It’s just a cheap way for writers to absolve themselves of any and all responsibility to write something competently.
Sin 70: 9S stated that he had to disconnect Eve from the network to ensure Eve couldn't regenerate so Eve isn't connected to the network when he dies and therefore cannot be reborn.
15:57 this is the only point in the story you got wrong, or sinned incorrectly. It's shown through dialogue from side characters that the Commander is depressed, I.E. leaving her room in a mess.( A characteristic of depressed people) She is most likely tired of seeing the same thing happen over and over again to 9S, and 2B, so the Commander, lets 9S make his own decisions after learning the truth of humanities fate, like herself. She says, we all need a god to fight for, and realizes that 9S might have his own reasons for fighting other than his coding, like herself. 9S is fighting for 2B, and the commander is fighting for the well being of all android kind. Granted this might just be headcannon, but I'm pretty sure this is what Yoko Taro was getting at with all this.
how is she fighting for the wellbeing of android kind if she keeps sending them out on dangerous and pointless missions and lying to them. she could just tell them all that there's no reason to fight and they can live freely. maybe she doesn't because she belives she needs a god to serve, but she also knows there isn't one. she's not fighting for anything.
Darth Sagit While I did mean it as a joke, I feel like the third game made the "Just" in Just Cause made that meaning true. Since there, you are truly fighting for a Just Cause.
Dartigan, not every piece of information is spoon fed to you like in some other games, you have to find out the meaning of particular things because Yoko Taro leaves them open ended. for example. the YorHa base is black and white because the Androids see the whole situation in black and white, the androids are the good people and the machines are the bad people. 2B says emotions are prohibited so she doesn't get close with 9S because spoilers. the commander doesn't enforce the "no emotions" rule because the operators she's surrounded are full of emotions. Android models who go to earth wear blindfolds that serve as a visor. Ironic, but it's meant to symbolize that they "see no evil" while the operators "speak no evil". A2 doesn't have a blindfold because she was betrayed by YoRHa and knows something is wrong. 9S learned the "Truth" about the whole situation when he took off the blindfold.
It's pronounced Nee-tche you uncultured swine, but that's because your language was made by troglodites on an island instead of the true inner lands also I only played this game of the whole series, and by all means there isn't a single sin here that is made on true and proper criticism, you just wanted to write something to demonstrate how gullibly smart you are, allthough failing miserably in the process
Before you go calling someone an uncultured swine, you have to know that just about every language (if not all of them) will have different pronunciations for certain words-and I won't even get into dialects and accents. Your pronunciation or Nietzsche correct, but so is this other guy's. (May I mention that these 'troglodites' came from the inner lands?) Do you notice the spider-like bosses in the game? They're named after the Japanese pronunciations of Chinese philosophers.
11:57 I may be remembering wrong since I haven't played it since the PC launch weekend, but I'm pretty sure Nines hacked into Eve to sever his connection with the network since he would otherwise constantly call over robots so he could heal.
Also, in the Copied City, when Adam (2) states the concept of death has no meaning to them machines, he would contradict himself, as if it has no meaning, they do not understand it. I mean, assuming "no meaning" is a literal phrase.
Are they game sins if they're intentional? The robots and androids doing suboptimal things and trying to emulate humans was the entire point of the game. Most of the sins are totally appropriate though.
they're sins regardless. Even if machines trying to emulate humans is the point and it's actually done well, the fact that it's a contradiction is going to be nitpicked. it's funnier when something that makes sense in context is sinned anyway.
"eve shouldn't be dead because he wasn't disconnected from the network" em did you miss the whole reason 9s died 9s hacked into eve to forcefully disconnect him
"And yet you can remember 2B even though your memories were only backed up just before meeting her." Who said he can? They're in the same organization, they may know of each others existence before meeting, and mission debriefings/reports exist. They're especially important for those who _don't remember the mission._
A lot of these "sins" have actual reasons (i.e. 2B getting so emotional being due to this being the Xth time she's seen 9S die and as emotionless because it helped ease the pain...) that eventually get uncovered... This seems very surface level
They aren't complaints. They are sins, which are jokes that parody cinema sins. You're not supposed to take it seriously. It's not a review of the game.
There’s no way this guy can be serious, right? It has to be a joke. That line about the bunker being in black and white “just because” seemed way too self aware. This dude knows this game is a masterpiece and is just trolling.
11:55 In the middle of that Platinum level bossfight, 9s explains that he will shittily hack into the network and disconnect eve. Hell this leads to the next scene.
They wear blindfolds cause apparently it's their hud thing, like they wouldn't have hud elements of the game if they didn't wear it. 2:48 This is due to it being later revealed that not only had 2b been killing 9s ALOT before the game's events, but that 9s NEVER LOST ANY OF HIS MEMORIES. 7:11 It is revealed that later on the reason they choose the names Adam and Eve IS BECAUSE THEY ARE READING THE BIBLE 8:13 A2 is based off of Kaine from the first Nier, hence why her clothes are like that, ironically they actually cover up more than Kaine's clothes did 11:58 It is revealed that 9s when hacking into Eve disconnects him from the machine network, so he did die/could die. 14:24 your sinning these explanation cutscenes when if you played the first nier you'd know they have them there in the 2nd playthrough as well, due to it supposed to show how the main character ISN'T the protagonist of the story, but much rather the villian current sin total for this bit: 2 15:26 While we all initially assume that's what it means the word that actually makes more sense is adam asking 9s if he wants to KILL 2b, cause 9s does have ALL HIS MEMORIES OF 2b KILLING HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. It gives him alot more characterization and puts things more in perspective. 17:58 A2 wouldn't be affected due to her disconnecting from the android network when rebelling/deserting 18:11 A2 isn't a stranger to 2b, heck 2b was based off of A2's model, and therefore have similar personalities, and also a comparability to share parts and information. It's also implied that 2b knew A2 sometime before the events of the first game, cause she herself was thinking of deserting so she wouldn't have to kill 9s, who she had growing feelings for. 21:01 Still didn't realize that he asked 9s if he wanted to KILL not FUCK 2b
Total gamesins messups : 11 aka DO MORE RESEARCH Edit: for those people who think that I'm ignoring the other sins, your clearly misunderstanding : the sins listed above are what they got wrong, and the rest of the sins I either don't care about or agree with.
I'm pretty sure the androids have blindfolds, to symbolise that they are blind to the truth and the other androids are wearing veils to symbolise that they cannot speak the truth.
“They can’t die” ( 9s and 2b) yes they can, when a android die the memories desapear, and the backup are uploaded to the new android, it’s practically a new person
Dude, I love your content. However, this by far the worst video younmade about a video game . it is seem whether you weren't paying atention or you didn't play the game as a whole. One example was when you said," the human was never in the moon" that was explianed in 9s campaigne in where the commander said to him that not only the human did not make it to the moon but as wel they were extint before the alien invasion.
He sinned proper sins, but also sinned things for not being explained even though they ARE explained in somewhat hidden ways. A lot is up to interpretation, but at least 30 of this videos' sins can be countered directly by pulling up a quote of some dialogue at some point in the game. This video makes some good points, but is relatively unfair compared to most other sins videos of games i've played through. He simply sins the game for some flaws it doesn't have. This is why many people are getting butthurt, because the game deserves more recognition for making a lot of sense despite its convoluted timeline.
Yeah, but this time it was like: 9s: *screams* I'm going to hack Eve to separate him from the Machine Network! *hacks Eve* Dartigan: Why did Eve die? It's not like he was separated from the Network or sth like that ... x'D
Nejvyn Well, you can call me a dullard for this, but I too didn't pay attention to the dialogue when I faught Eve. It's kind of unfair really, voiceovers get interrupted by sounds of battle and you still have to read subs, while dodging giant hands.
People wanted him to point out the mistakes of the game Not make comments about why he personally like the game ,50% and more of his awnsers could be easily found by searching them on google .
While I understand why this is the case, I find it pretty sad that most Nier: Automata players play it before the original Nier. Mainly because: A. Since the devs completely spoil OG Nier, new players to the franchise won't be able to experience it blind. B. New players won't be able to pick up on all of the references to OG Nier. C. New players can't see the importance that Emil, Devola, and Popola had to the series, and their stories won't be fully appreciated. This is especially true for Emil, who imo has the most depressing story line out of everybody!
7:30 probably because Yorha kills any Android that figures out what's going on. that's literally one of 2b's main functions, to kill deserters and Androids who know too much. really, it's like you weren't paying attention at all.
I've had my worldview and personal philosophy challenged and wildly changed by books, movies, games and, hell, even songs, but definitely not by this game. The story is great and drives its point home, but it really isn't that deep in my opinion.
5:33 “I may not understand most of this game...” And yet you made a video where you pretend to know most about the game and its predecessors for the sake of sinning it. Ironic.
About devola and popola, the game does not need to develop what they did in the previous game because it is a sequel, is halo 3 supposed to give a short recap of the events of halo 2?
I'd argue against Devola and Popola being villains in the last game. At the worst, they're antagonists, because the two are not always one in the same. A villain is an evil person, while an antagonist is just someone who opposes the hero.
I don't usually comment on videos, ever, but this is really good. You are very concrete, the video is fun to watch, and it feels really refreshing to see someone with a different point of view. I've also noticed some of these things myself when going through the game for the first time, and they have rather bothered me so it's nice to see that I'm not as alone as I'd think :) Kudos to you friend!
A good chunk of the sins here are actually explained or more laid out after awhile of thinking. For the best example is the "I know you want to **** 2B" moment. In truth, it's actually 2 things that fit it that ultimately works with 9S: Fuck...and Kill. That's what the memory section with him stabbing 2B's corpse was, yet his reaction to having her memories be deleted and yes, the sin part you skipped over when he meets the 2B duplicates and says he finally has the chance to kill her. Despite the fact he's been constantly mindwiped by getting to close to the truth by 2B/2E(which is foreshadowed by an out of the way mission on 9S's playthrough in that Executioner Units exist specifically to kill YoRHa units), he still retains his the memory that he both knows 2B is his executioner and the fact he really does like her...but hates her for constantly killing him(and yes, it's EXACTLY the same way in reverse for 2B, she HATES killing him over and over again but has no choice due to those being her orders). That's why he still knows 2B even though he didn't upload his data back at the beginning of the game and why 2B reacted in that way.
It's mainly due to what Adam was talking about to 9S earlier, about the violence of mankind and other things. It seems to come straight the hell out of nowhere that he would suddenly bring up sex but I believe that was the point, to be a pumpfake and get you to think of it in that context rather than what Adam was talking about earlier. And of course, it lines up with how 9S interacts with 2B after she dies.
Xhominid, The One and Only It can't mean kill. In the French translation, there are only enough asterisks for "fuck" and a few other words that would make no sense.
Except it does. One of Jackass's missions as 2B has her spell out that what makes the YoRHA units want to kill and what makes them want to love is basically the same emotion for them. And it also makes sense with how 9S ultimately sees 2B if you take his side missions and how he acts during the second half otherwise.
Not necessarily. 9s never had his data backed up. He woke up before 2b and was told to report to her chambers. He is also always acting the way he does, so any personality he shared with her is innate and isn't something new at all. This is literally no evidence within game that shows that 2b is the executioner of 9s for the reasons stated to have her be so, considering it's 2b's first encounter with him fighting the goliath and 9s' first time having a partner, considering he remarks going on solo missions. If there is a time skip like from ending A and the start of C, then I could understand, because 3 weeks have passed, and 9s might have witnessed her killing him a number of times or something, but the version from start of A doesn't have those memories. I feel maybe the translation wasn't good enough, but it's currently blank information.
I really can’t tell if this is a joke or not. Did you not understand anything at all? The game literally addresses the vast majority of the “criticisms” you give.
It kinda seems like you missed a lot or misunderstood a lot because the things you say can't be explained can actually be explained. Not to say this game doesn't have it's flaws but you're crapping on a lot of it for really no reason?
@@matthewlugo2417 It isn't a mess. Information just doesn't get spoon fed to you. Sure, Nomura retconing certain aspects is horrible, but once you puzzle the aspects together, the only question you have is: "Why did he decide to do that?" And we even have an answer to that.
@@joined_shores_art you say that but the actual story is spread out over alots of media the main story! Yoko taro does this too but its never apart of the mainstory its usually stories to widen the perception of the world, its literally more world building, nier and automata even have side quests that do the same. Dont defend horrible story writing thats as sutble and deep as detriot become human. Yoko taro has his vision and his intent, his games are meant to create an emotion in the player and ask the player questions they might not have the answers to
Aliens 'are' attacking the Androids and YoRHa is a total pain in their neck. Why not launch a full-scale attack on Bunker? In fact, aliens are actually capable of interstellar travel. Say, a single burst of anti-matter projectile would annihilate the bunker and be done with them. Seriously, bringing up some fantasy world based character to mush up alien attack plot hole is just lazy. Those 'Dimension travel' is quite common in cheap (and cheesy) fantasy novels and even became cliche. You know what? You don't have to make any plots complex at all. Complex plots only work in political drama such as Romans of Three Kingdoms, Legend of Galactic Heroes, etc. or thrillers. Not Sci-Fi love story. -_-
shouldnt "a person who knows how to get out of the way of a large circular object coming toward them" retract a sin?
Schottlander he also sinned 2 retractable sin moments in his Final Fantasy 15 Sin video, but he eplained on his twitch stream that he has a habit of just retroactivly giving sins, unless it has something to do with good plot moments.
Better yet, shouldn't sin retractions not even exist since they retract valid points? I've never quite understood why a valid point suddenly gets retracted because an entirely unrelated thing is good enough to forget it even existed.
Like here, he praised Platinum for knowing how to do boss fights and retracted a sin.
Now what if the sin before that...was racism? That's like saying racism is fine because boss fights are fun. Makes no sense, and retracts a legit valid point.
Thanatos420 you do realize that if the sins are actually given a value, they lose their real value?
I never took it as if it was invalidating a sin, I take it as 'that was good enough to make me gloss over some of the worst parts of your game'. For instance, if a game has mediocre writing overall, but the dialog is horrible almost always, and yet the combat is absolutely fanfuckingtastic, I could deal with the horrid dialog for that combat.
Why is 2B wearing such an outfit? Because Yoko Taro likes women. Yep, that's the reason he gave.
Its a good reason
CGrascal apparently the designers had ass vs boobs debate while designing 2B. They agreed on hips.
why does there need to be another reason? It's honest.
Agreed. If you have to make a pseudo-science excuse just to hide your pervy design choices, then you sir, are ashamed of your own kinks.
Because it looks good?
17:35
Actually 9S isn't infected at this point at all, because he wasn't connected to the server. He is infected later because of the arm that he took from the 2B corpse near the end.
Actually there are a lot of things you call plot-holes, that aren't actually plot-holes, but just things you didn't understand, but... I know that a lot of stuff in this video isn't meant to be taken 100% seriously, so I doubt you or anyone else cares :P
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Yoko Taro decides to emulate Kojima and adopt "there are no facts, only interpretations" to "explain" the plot holes
Actually, he would do that to troll everyone. That is why the data deletion thing exists, to troll people(mainly 100% completionists, he hates them. He also hates children).
It's like sin about "why didn't Ryder and Ryder Sr. not share the helmet?" It'd be a reasonable question if they *BOTH* didn't die even with the god damn helmet on, and why risk both of them dying. I'm not defending the writing this game had (nor the stupid assholes who made the game), but stupid nitpicks, especially ones that are easily answered with a simple thought, are not funny.
I agree with you. There were some things that were just too subtle if you didn't pay attention while playing. Otherwise, for the most part, it all made perfect sense.
Could Yoko Taro hating children be the reason why he never gives Emil a break?
During my first playthroughs I also thought that the emotions were strange considering they can just get new bodies, but when you have completed the game suddenly realize why 2B is trying to be cold but loses it when 9S is in danger and dies, and it is so so sad.
The point still stands though.
Why give them emotions in the first place if they aren't allowed to have any? It's not like androids are BORN that way, they are built and programmed so the creators have control over what they want to put in.
And it's not like they aren't aware that they are doing fucked up shit to them - there's literally a point where the game tells you that YorHa androids get powered by machine cores instead of whatever "hearts" regular androids have, because they found it too cruel to make them full-fledged androids only for them to get killed as part of the plan later.
So why the fuck would you give them emotions, which would mean they would suffer endlessly?
HaichaoTeaLover I mean the same with the replicant from the first game, they are shell, they aren’t supposed to have consciousness, but after thousand year they started to have one, and that why gestalt and replicant couldn’t fuse in the first game. The same with this game I believe, the Android wasn’t supposed to have feeling either, it just something that happen. There are many media cover the idea what if A.I has consciousness already. This game went a bit further to depict what would happen afterward, and reflecting our society that was build up through millennium, and tried to explain what would make a thing to become sentient. There are a lots of video express the meaning of this game better than I do. It all depend upon yourselves like it or not really.
P.s: English is not my first language, so there might be grammatical error.
Because it’s an older model of android, the humans made them in their image to not only be careful and calculating but also having emotion. Hoping, them ever finding a human remnant because life finds a way and all. The new restrictions are of commander android trying to suppress as they are lost lamb without a human shepherd to guide. I think.
@@mtb-go thats not how the gestalt project works at all. watch a playthrough of or read up on the first nier. you'll understand it better then
SleepySera it’s all part of the nier experiment.
... that the pods burnt and sent crashing to the ground, if you decide to save 2B and 9S at the very end.
My answer to most of these sins is "ego" Androids believing machines don't have feelings, hearts, reasoning, etc. Is their ego. They think they're superior. Yet they're basically the same thing
+baboner Not exactly. Androids were made to the image of the humans, meaning they had human like bodies and emotions from the get go. The machines didn't, they DEVELOPED feelings and self reasoning, they didn't have those features at the beginning. If anything, the machines are MORE like humans than the androids are because the machines can EVOLVE
This is why I love this game. Never thought of that. But my comment was more based on 9s's machine comments. He and other androids feel superior despite the blackbox is pretty much based off machines (unless I understood that wrong)
Actually play through C and it's explained that "nope, they're basically the exact same thing lolz". Heavy spoilers so beware:
Androids in general were created by humans, but YoRHa are not regular androids. They were created specifically to give a reason to live to all of the other androids following the extinction of the human species that they were designed to protect and love. YoRHa were created by androids who, in their hubris, thought that machine lifeforms had no feelings and no potential to develop them. They were dead wrong, though, but this would come up much later.
YoRHa were created using machine lifeform cores - that is what their black boxes are in reality. The cores and black boxes already fulfilled the same function: they are the reactors that power their bodies and, unless tied to a network, also house their mind and memory.
The machine lifeforms and YoRHa are essentially the same thing but, as with all wars, the best way to ensure your soldiers perform dutifully would be to de-"humanize" the opposing side. That's why you always hear the "they're just machine lifeforms, they have no feelings" or "they're just mimicking human behavior, I don't think they know what that even means" excuses at various points during the game.
A2's character development comes when she realizes that machine lifeforms are actually sentient through Pascal and his village, for example.
This doesn't extend to other androids like Jackass or Anemone as they were not part of YoRHa.
+Avadastro There is a theory though, one that i think has some validity, that states that the YoRHa project was infact NOT designed by androids, BUT by the Machine's AI Terminal. Which would make sense, considering the similarities in build
Only YoRHa models use those and they are just power sources. None of the other androids have them and canonically the few in the know regarding the machine core usage did see the YoRHa as being sub-Android as it were.
actually half the sins you mention are explained in the game
This is easily the best game i have played in a couple of years
and you have 12 years old . good. you know shit about shit yet.everything impresses you
Jack Imaginário I'm 15 and I have played a lot of games. The story of nier is impressive like a lot of other Japanese games' story which is why I am a fan of Japanese games. The gameplay of nier also feels really good. If you don't like it's okay but don't tell me I'm an idiot for liking it
I really wonder how old you are if you're throwing a huge tantrum while using caps over an opinion that's diffrent than yours. It's not really how adults discuss things, you know?
just grow up jack, geez
I count 46 'sins' you got wrong (and an extra for which you should remove a sin):
1) Narration - This is getting extremely old.
2) Explained in route C.
3) They are also UI items.
In between 6 and 7 should be a negative sin.
9) Covered in Route C. Androids don't handle excessive emotion well.
10) He's an android not human, makes sense could survive...Oh wait, he doesn't, his injuries will 'kill' him shortly.
11) Covered in Route C.
12) Covered as soon as you get to the bunker: Bandwidth.
13) If it's believable, remove a sin.
15) Since it is very possible the backup doesn't work, or that there was no time to back up themselves, or that they would only return to the 'person' they were at their last back up, the person they were at the time of their 'death' would die, it makes sense that they'd feel like they would die. This is also explained in part via an Email about storage being limited.
16) Black boxes are covered in Route C.
18) Hey, he got a report about her, covered in Route B.
20) Nope, they learn much like humans, because they mimic humans, it's propaganda, Covered in Route C.
21, 22, 23) Covered in Routes A, B, C.
24) Propaganda, again, also Covered in Route C.
30) Explained in Route C.
34) Propaganda (seriously, did you even play this game?)
35) *sigh* Covered in Routes A, B, C.
36) Covered in Route C.
38) Incorrect, they have hearts, or the mechanical equivalent, the machines don't.
43, 48) Propaganda, Covered in Route C.
56) Covered with 'sin' 15.
61) Covered in Routes A and B, it only occurs once they are disconnected from the network since that is the only way they can actually 'die'. Eve goes nuts because his brother is actually dead. Refer back to 'sin' 9 and Routes C.
62) They're curious. Why are humans obsessed with prehistoric animals? Stupid 'sin'.
64) Wrong. Explained in Route C.
69) Play the game, he's right, your 'sin' is wrong.
70) Explained in Route B.
71) Yeah, where a lot of stuff gets explained you impatient twit.
72) Breaking his neck and severing his 'brain' from his power 'heart'.
73) Not really since they're mimicing them.
76) This actually goes towards explaining some of the things you sin.
82) Not the point, again, mimicing humans (trying to).
86) The machines don't understand, in addition, the Forest Machines are disconnected from the network, so they are lacking a lot of information that they would have otherwise. This causes confusion for them (and other machines) later.
90) It could be 'F**k' or 'Kill' 2B. Explained in Route C.
92) You should have taken off 2 sins for this because you proved yourself wrong for sins 15 and 56 since it is clear to you at this point 9S has been killed multiple times and clearly has no knowledge or recollection of it, almost as if he's a completely new person each time. Also, hiding, or at least not being open about, humanity's fate is perfectly reasonable. 9S is very good at what he does, but is prone to becoming unstable, this information does not help his stability, to forstalling it as long as possible is a good idea to get the most out of your tools before they break.
96) 9S is not the same type of android, his internal firewall is much better because he is meant to hack into other things. Preventing viruses from infecting the android that can hack into all of your stuff makes a lot of sense.
97) Better reception, more bandwidth. It makes sense.
98) Covered later on, a planned thing to bring down Yorha, makes sense it would also incorporate misinformation being fed to Yorha.
99) Covered in a part you skipped and 'sin' 96: 9S stops the sync prematurely, this saves 2B for a short time (though her sync was further along than his). The Commander is the highest ranking Yorha member, also the only unique android (from what I've seen), her firewall isn't as good as 9S' who is actively in danger of being hacked himself on the field, but it is better than the standard Yorha android.
103) No, because A2 isn't connected to the Bunker and didn't sync up with it. How did you miss this, it was explicitly explained when the Commander was infected.
105) 9S wouldn't have listened, he made up his mind as soon as 2B was killed, his mental state was already deteriorating. He stopped listening to the Pod by this point.
110) Actually it does explain why they feel the way they do and what happened.
113) They carry weapons in some sort of magical, magnetic sheath, one that is (augmented by the flight suit) able to swing the Goliath's arm as a weapon, what's to say that same tech isn't helping to support them and make them 'lighter'; Because of this, they are some of the only characters that it makes sense for them to be able to double jump. She hovers over the ground while dashing and leaves a burning line on the ground with her toe, but sand surfing in heals is what gets you?
125) See, told you the game explains it, kinda kills your #110 sin.
97, which is 9S able to upload all the data during Route C but could only upload 2B's at the beginning of the game can also be left up the interpretation that he actually DID upload his data at the beginning of the game and just lied about it. It wouldn't be the first time he's done that.
Egeslean man I really can't tell if you're salty or not
Egeslean someone is extremely butthurt
yup i just put 2 more that you did'nt .. basic i really doubt he really play the game in the form.. i want understand it.. it was more i play the game.. if its not easy to understand.. is a sin..
1) I have not seen or heard 'salty' used in forever, makes me feel like a teenager again.
2) I'm not. I usually like these because quite often he makes a lot of good points (and I left those alone in this video when he did, or when it was funny). These were mostly cheep shots for no reason, especially the ones where he contradicted himself (when he pointed out the answer to something that he sinned).
"Robot babies. It even has a metal pacifier."
Gee it's almost like THE ROBOTS ARE TRYING TO COPY HUMANITY.
They where trying to....
@@jadebayoba7073 you're saying they didn't succede in the long run?
@@returnedtomonkey8886 wut?
The question is why would they want to? Can they not see that humanity's flaws are what lead to their extinction?
@@ubernerrd did you play the game?
After the first few sins, I was like did he even pay attention to the story?
no the people are upset because he doesnt understand the story :)
Probably not 👀
People like him are people who hit the skip cutscene button to get "back into the action" which is sad
Also from the looks of it he mostly did the main story which means he missed out on all the information that certain side quests would have given him. I understand he has limited time but surely it would be better to search up which side quests are important so he could sin accurately
He clearly didn’y
No Sin(s) taken off for the utterly spectacular music?
EXACTLY! =(
-100 sins because of *BECOME AS GODS*
the music was worth -20 sins at least
He'd had to take away all the sins. Which he chose not to do.
Just like with the environments, the excessive amount of repetition and backtracking in this game makes you hate even the great music.
Initial reaction: This game is amazing, outstanding, and is in no way problematic.
Final reaction: This game is amazing, outstanding, and is in no way problematic.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
Any game with such a horrendous map doesn't deserve to be played. Fuck this game
11:55 Eve wasn't on the network when he died because 9S disconected him
I don't know bout 2B but all I know the reason why 9S got em blindfolds so that people can't se where his eyes are when they climbing up ladders
Though she always insists on leading.
It's actually symbolic. Yoko Taro said in an interview that it was supposed to represent them being blind to the truth
17:00 I retract a sin for the "You did an backup faster this time".
The last time he did, there wasn't enough bandwidth to do both.
But I add a sin again for "Uploading data while wide-area viruses spam the city"
You don't do a backup, while your PC has a virus.
Many of the "sins" listed make more sense when you look at the game as a whole (minus the obvious clad outfits and sexuality of 2B and A2) and thus...they are not really sins and more like a premature opinion of someone. This game isnt trying to be deep, it is.
Best example: Why do they try to stay alive at all costs, despite having a backup ready most of the time? If you copy your memories into a clone of yourself and you die...well, that clone might be exactly as you were when you died BUT YOU ARE STILL DEAD. Your Consciousness in that very moment is dead aka you are dead. Any clone that exists next or after you is a separate being that just so happens to have the same set of memories than you. Doesn't make it 100% you. That is also why there is no happy ending in this game.
That would be true if a switch of bodies wasn't treated as the most trivial thing EVER and you doing it every few minutes all throughout the entire game 😂
Every. Single. Time. you teleport or go back to the bunker you replace your body. The ONLY thing you send around is your data, the body gets built by the vending machines/access points whereever you leave one out of fresh materials (confirmed by Yoko Taro himself and also highlighted in the game by the fact that quicktravel causes you to return to regular looks if you had used self-destruct before).
So...sorry, but you are wrong about the whole "a clone of you with your conciousness is not you" thing. Just because one resistance member at the start of the game mumbles about the old ship of theseus thought experiment doesn't mean that actually is an issue for any of the characters in the game.
Interesting, I know this is 1 year late but this is something that everyone missed:
One of the vendors in the camp talks about this very clearly, where he claims that he refuses to replace his last old part as he fears that by doing so he would no longer be himself, this obviously opens up one of the many conversations in the game, as we are obviously meant to ask ourselves "what exactly makes us "us"".
Now, wen androids upload to the bunker, they will still be the same person wen they are reborn, as they are basically linked whit a server, so the data that was on that body is the same used on the later (dare for not a different being), specially since we see that 9S is still conscious while only being data, only wen the upload is sadly impossible is wen they cease to exist, as this "new" them will be lost forever (basically, as long as you are connected to the server, you are always the same person, but any time you are disconnected, or unable to upload is wen you basically "die")
But, by the end, we basically get the only happy ending we could wish for, as the Pods all this time, basically created private "memory" data of 9S, 2B and A2, which means, that they were like floating brains saving every memory their master made, so basically the 9S, 2B and A2 we got by the end of route E have ALL of their past lifes memorys, basically, they get to trully be whole as all their data is now one, so yes, 9S, 2B and A2 survived at the end, all thx to the player/pods, as we preserved their memorys for them.
@@cephalonhope8006 "this is something that everyone missed"
That's LITERALLY what I mentioned in my comment. It's the ship of theseus thought experiment. And aside from his silly little thought experiment, it ISN'T an issue for anyone else ever, throughout the entirety of the game.
@@sleepysera I was just trying to explain that for our MCs, specially 2B, mind was more important than body, unlike the android at the camp, they could care less for their body as long as their memory's remain, specially by the end of the game, where 2B transfers her data to A2 instead of bringing everything whit her to the grave, showing that she does care about her memory's despite all she has done to 9S.
@@sleepysera When you switch bodies the characters don't lose any memory, Therefore it doesn't count to them as dying. The androids consider dying as anytime they lose their memories because by losing their current memories they lose who they are in that current moment. Yet they aren't afraid of moving their consciousness to and from places since they don't actually lose any memory.
Some of the things you call plot holes aren't holes at all. For instance, the reason the Aliens don't attack the moon base is because they have all been dead for centuries along with the humans being dead for just as long
actually aliens didn't need to do anything about that moon base.. actually is more possible that moon base were used by machines for make Yorha. i will just explain why a little further.
Human extintion is like 4000 date aliens come way later to a world with now humans only androids ... that was said not only by dates, but by commander to 9s when he discover that moon have a relay base to give androids a reason to fight. So aliens enter and fight emil.. well i still not do that sorry i can help more aobout that part but i will continue after emil. Machines want evolve more, but who can they fight.. androids just have a rumor that humans are extinct and lose their will to fight (and some even live).. some uses those twins androis for escape. So machines decide make a plan, they make yorha put a relay server on moon simulating humans are alive. And then they destroy yorha when time has come, only for start again with new YorHa.. that is covered in last tower.
Machine did not make Yorha. The Devola and Popola we meet started the project with some others. It's written in their memories. Black Box and Yorha Project also points towards regular androids as the makers of Yorha. The npc Jackass also gives some details regarding Yorha.
he not devola and popola make the lunar base.. at best that is a place where they storage of adn and human records where... The machines hack the lunar base.. that is what you found in last mission tower.
Now why were not resistence.. well they dont have the technology for do that... actually androids never had a chance at all.. did first part of emil.. and seems only emil could stop aliens... at cost of his memories. I have to say again.. that was said by commander and later confirmed in some archives.. when aliens come humans were extinct, and aliens didn't encounter resistence apart of emil. We also know that androids don't have technology for make Yorha (i mean 2A or more of those units).. that is said over and over when they had to make trades with pascal for parts.
Last in tower when the AI split and multiply, they are show interested in make the enemy stronger for make themself stronger.. and based in that conversation... seems they had do it for a long time.. actually the sin of that game is not about Yorha... is about machines.. Is implied that they made Yorha a lot of times.... at same time they destroyed Yorha a lot of times.. i dont see why this is time is so different.
Other is the dates.. again.. human go extinct 4200 CE.. aliens attack 11945 CE, if androids wanted to make and destroy Yorha for the illlution of humans still there, Yorha will go extinct kinda fast.. more they didn't know that alines will come like dont know over 4000 years later... What is true is the bunker was made by androids not Yorha.. they just put a bunker with data.. and machines hack it.. and use it.. they make Yorha too to keep the illustion.
Also if Yorha were made using machines cores.. where they find it.. if aliens come that time later.
There is a chance that could had exist before aliens a Yorha, but its not the same as yorha that is 2A or 2B. probably the real answer is more that Yorha 1 was not so good (if were emil actions dont have sense) and later when Yorha was destroyed (by androids or machines or aliens) machine hack human server and make a Yorha 2. or more numbers...
PD: actually i have to stop here.. cause still not finish the second part of emil.. and seems i will get the answer there.. a read a little more trying to see the point .. but seems is kinda correct.. there is no 1 YorHa .. there are a lot of YorHas .. and the first ones. the one that made the bunker and human council.. disapear long ago...
Camilo, you seem to be misunderstanding a lot of plot points. The documents/dialogues I listed in the previous comment are quite clear. The Machine Report given to you by Jackass at the end also points in the same direction. You forgot that Devola and Popola can use maso energy, and they are in fact the ONLY androids capable of repairing 9S in route C (so all Yorha) and that's not a coincidence. Regarding Terminal Alpha and Beta I advice you to read the script of the Yorha stage play, maybe you will understand better the reason behind their actions.
Also the aliens invaded in 5012 and we know that at some point Emil was helped by P-33.
For thousands of years the war was only between "regular" androids and machines, the FIRST experimental Yorha were made in 11941 for the Pearl Harbor Descent mission. It all ties in with the documents: androids loss of morale, Devola and Popola starting the Project and sending human data to the moon base, the Black Box description.
What the machines did was the opposite: they intentionally caused deficiencies in their network in order to NOT annihilate all androids, cause their only initial program given by the aliens was to "destroy the enemy".
I still not finish emil.. but at first part is stated.. he had to multiply for defeat aliens.. that is equal to say.. YorHa at that time didnt have enough power for that. Now stage play dont have sense.. i mean humans extinction->YorHa -> aliens attack->YorHa destroy. Basicly we can't connect the YorHa destroy with not let other androids know.. cause in middle appear aliens attack.. basicly the back door they put at first.. already happen and probably destroy the YorjHa before alines attack..
no.9 within the lore the yorha androids were actually supposed to be made without emotion. they used machine cores believing them mindless so sending them to die would be more "humane" unfortunately machines have emotions too so this idea failed.
Reece Avis ohh, I never got why it was 'more humane' to use machine cores. That could be an explanation.
John Chi it's more "humane" just like how human shouldn't sacrifice each other, using AI is like killing their own kind.
but Androids are also created from the basis of a human's memories. That's the whole story behind *SPOILER* A2 and Kaine being the same person in nier automata. A2 was created with the memories of "a little girl who lived outside of town with her grandmother".
The model of A2's generation were implanted with memories, yes, but 2B's generation were not.
Remnant Productions even so, they made a generation with emotions and memories of humans, it can't be humane right?
Did you even play the game? If you make it past route A, almost half of these "sins" are explained.
i think he has^^
Then he sure wasn't paying attention.
A big issue with Taro's games is, he calls a major arc's end and ending, and often people assume that that's it.
Someone goes through the game without knowing this, and they might end up assuming that they just went through a fun romp and are done, despite ofer half of the game being just unlocked.
@@OzixiThrill The game literally has an explicit message from Square Enix at the end of Route A that the game isn't over. And Route B ends with a teaser trailer for Route C.
Did you even watch the video? He played through all routes
"Why give them something they are not supposed to use"
Exactly the situation with humans in the modern world.
Example?
@@Eskimo_iio internet
The internet
That's like, sooo deep bro
Society
0:45 They're visors designed to look like blindfolds.
PopulateTheMoon also the emotion rule is to prevent 2b from experiencing any more pain from killing 9s over and over again. Sooo its to detach herself from her subject.
They don't need visors. They are androids. They can design their eyes like visors.
Maybe but is YoRha regulations. It looks prety and besides it could be a reference to Emil in the original Nier. I think that is more for protection so in that way can work
That explanation just makes it worse.
Or maybe there´s no a explanation for everything
Many things are right, but after watching the video I can say for sure that you didn't finish the game or you didn't understand the story/sidestories.
He´s making entertaining content. Not necessarily correct or educational content. So nitpicking seems rather pointless and silly.
Entertaining content? Ah I see, watching the stupidity of the content creator certainly is entertaining. Thank you for enlightening me.
youre welcome. Now get over yourself.
When your video is based on criticizing, even jokingly the mistakes of others then you need to make sure you don't make any yourself or you will look like a fool.
@@britneyfierce Isn't this channel for nitpicking in the first place? It's a bit unfair to say there's NOTHING wrong because it's entertainment but pointing out his nitpicks IS wrong.
I really thought you were going to sin how many times you accidentally hit the option to change your partners combat style, since it happened so often.
Really ? I tried once to see what it did and then left it on balanced for all 3 playthroughs. After that i might have oppened it once by accident.
In a 40h game, it's not a lot.
It can happen a lot when you try to activate a chest or interactable (which can get pretty finicky about where you need to position yourself), and in tight spaces your partner will smoosh up against you, either pushing you off target or standing between you and the interactable, causing you to select them instead of said interactable. STOP BEING SO GODDAMN CLINGY 9S.
Another quirk would be going for finishers during an intense battle, only to end up inadvertently selecting nearby corpses. In the same vein, attempting to talk to NPCs who happen to have a bunch of corpses around them (lookin' at you, Emil) can get pretty annoying.
Gosh that was annoying. They would always stand right there when trying to interact...
@@readyforlol That's kind of amazing, I opened it about 50 times over 130 hours of playtime. Like someone else said, everytime I tried to interact with anything in a small area, 9S walked into me and triggered his combat style change.
Biblical naming cliche? Sure, but at least there's a cool reason. I mean, Adam was created first, then Eve burst out of his rib-cage. That's pretty neat, right? ... Right?
NoctisMinato Adam and Eve themselves talk about it in a cutscene. They read the bible and took inspiration from it.
Elizabeth Ng Jia Wei but the creators are still the ones who named them.
yeah, but when you view media through that kind of lens, all agency and traits are ripped form characters and settings. Nothing can be remarkable or awe-inspiring or moving in any way because the characters aren't making it happen, it's the creator controlling them like a puppetmaster. Darth Vader isn't really trying to redeem himself, the creator is just making him toss the emperor down a power shaft.
They should have made Eve a feminine bot since they were going for the Adam and Eve thing. I liked the idea, but would have been more cool I guess.
@@Nahobino777 I know this is a year old, but they do address this in-game. Adam chose the names from reading the Bible. Eve complains, and wishes they could have been Cain and Able. But Adam refuses that, because those two didn't exactly get along.
"We can't actually die."
Literally right after the prologue it's shown that 9S wasn't able to back up his data, and such he lost memories. What are you as a person without your memories?
An alzheimers patient. Basically a meat sack.
We are talking about losing a few minutes, at worst a few hours. That's not dying. That's the norm for the high school/college aged population of most countries in the world; get really drunk and don't remember what you did the night before, once morning comes around.
I'm not saying I condone that level of partying, but you are essentially saying all those people die every weekend because they lose a tiny bit of their memory 😒
Don't try to defend the lack of stakes this game has until the third playthrough.
A dead weight tool?
Without your memories you are still "you". If I forgot how to my laces, am I not myself anymore? If I forgot your name, am I not me? "I" am not defined by my memories. Well then, am I defined by my body? If I lose my finger, am I still me? Is the finger me? Is my brain me? If you put my brain in your body, am I become you? Or are you me now?
Its fun to think about. I think "you" are defined by your characteristics. Like the way you respond to events, how you show your feelings etc.
@@sleepysera if someone cloned you right now and then killed the non-clone, are you seriously suggesting that you're still alive because q copy of you exists? To everyone else it may seem as though you're alive, but you're dead. You don't take over the clone just because you don't exist anymore.
For an Everything Wrong With video there are a lot of things wrong with the vid itself lmao, good watch tho
Julien Andrew Only to those people who feel upset their precious game got a bunch of sins.
Linus Black Nice bait bro lmao, ik Dartigan didn't get too much into the lore since he's playing a lot of other games for his other videos, some sins he mentions are explained in the game. Nice try tho ;)
I don't do bait, this video only upsets those who love everything about it, for those who played it, and don't get emotionally attached, this video is awesome.
Linus Black I already said I like the video, why even bother commenting lmao
Because I can. My comment is simply showing the difference between Dartigan sinning a favorite game of mine to yours.
I don't care, and comment how awesome it is.
You care, and comment sins wrong with the video.
" it's not gonna be that game care network guy is it? ;)" THROWING SHADEEEEE!
lol
Hehe... Shade 😏
About the blindfolds, I think its to hide emotions.
2B mentions at various times in the game that emotions are prohibited. Eyes show a lot of emotions, and if they are hidden, you can't guess what the other is thinking, or see any emotions in their eyes. Or at least, thats how I see it ^^
Dark Masamune the real reason is that it's like a visor for the androids but your interpretation sounds cool
Ground units wear blindfolds, while operators that stay on the station their whole lives have their mouths covered.
A2 and the commander are the only androids not covering their faces.
The rest is up to interpretation.
@@readyforlol i interpret it as the blindfold covering up the truth in some way. If on the eyes, you can't see the truth. Mouth, you can't say it. The ones with no blindfold know the truth
Homie beat ending A and said, "Ok, time to make a sins video!"
But he had to do another playthrough, to get the 9S part of the game.
@@SuperWiggler I think he’s talking about how a lot of the sins are explained in ending B, C, D and E.
it's gray on the YoRHa base because the androids are all acting more like robots and suppressing what ever it is that seems to give them life. They do this because they are surrounded by protocol and other androids that might judge or worse. There is a culture of lifelessness on the base. That's why it's gray.....I love this game. Best game since KH1.
Note: aliens came to earth and Emil resisted, and they did the entire thing to fight Emil. And Emil alone.
... I think? It's one of the side missions that explains it. Not sure why Emil fought, though.
John Chi play drakengrad and the first neir to find out
Yeah it has something to do with flowers
yup and everything starts from zero. if you play all the game's you know what I am talking about.
Greatest Hope dang, it goes all the way back to drakengard? I only watched an LP of Nier.
yup
''Leotard shots" Technically.
Also yokotaro made it pretty clear the stylistic choice of everyone and thing is just because he loves girls :)
princeofhalcyon A lot bettet than the whole "Quiet breaths through her skin so it makes sense she dresses like that! Please believe us!" in MGS V
To be far she was normally dressed at the start of the game. :P
and it was already admitted that they wanted quiet to be sexy, not like they wanted to hide it, just made an ingame reason for it. I never thought it was that dumb, skin does need oxygen, and out of all the dumb things in metal gear thats really low on list lol. I mean REALLY low. The whole language parasite thing is higher to me. feel like theres a reason its not explained well how thats supposed to work. How much of a language are you supposed to speak before it activates? cause some words sound the same as words in other countries. Skull face, you're an idiot. lol
Skin does not "need" oxygen from outside the body. Live skin cells receive oxygen to sustain themselves the same way every other organ in the body receives it - via oxygenated blood in capillaries. The reason why you might feel uncomfortable like your "skin can't breathe" in non-porous/airtight clothing like rubber gloves is not because your skin is asphyxiating from a lack of oxygen, but rather because it's not able to release the heat your body is generating. As your body heat is trapped in the covered region, you get hotter and hotter and start sweating, which is what makes you feel clammy and uncomfortable.
wow pickiness from one choice of wording, But thanks for the science lesson.
Science is fucking awesome!
i like that most sins are just witty comments rather than actual problems and the video often stops to note how good this game is! love yoko taro, such an unusual game
At this point, I’m convinced that, whenever somebody points out a plothole in NieR: Automata, its fans will just default to claiming that any contradiction was deliberate.
That doesn’t make the game clever or deep, though. It’s just a cheap way for writers to absolve themselves of any and all responsibility to write something competently.
Sin 70: 9S stated that he had to disconnect Eve from the network to ensure Eve couldn't regenerate so Eve isn't connected to the network when he dies and therefore cannot be reborn.
I know this is just for entertainment but a lot of these "sins" still piss me off because you simply misunderstood them.
15:57 this is the only point in the story you got wrong, or sinned incorrectly. It's shown through dialogue from side characters that the Commander is depressed, I.E. leaving her room in a mess.( A characteristic of depressed people) She is most likely tired of seeing the same thing happen over and over again to 9S, and 2B, so the Commander, lets 9S make his own decisions after learning the truth of humanities fate, like herself. She says, we all need a god to fight for, and realizes that 9S might have his own reasons for fighting other than his coding, like herself. 9S is fighting for 2B, and the commander is fighting for the well being of all android kind.
Granted this might just be headcannon, but I'm pretty sure this is what Yoko Taro was getting at with all this.
how is she fighting for the wellbeing of android kind if she keeps sending them out on dangerous and pointless missions and lying to them. she could just tell them all that there's no reason to fight and they can live freely. maybe she doesn't because she belives she needs a god to serve, but she also knows there isn't one. she's not fighting for anything.
Wait you can find the commander's room? Somehow I missed this.
"Just because" is a reason more and more people use, more and more often.
So much so that there's even a game named, "Just Cause'"!
Meh, the "Just" in "Just Cause" should be the adjective form of justice
Darth Sagit While I did mean it as a joke, I feel like the third game made the "Just" in Just Cause made that meaning true. Since there, you are truly fighting for a Just Cause.
And it's super effective too! 👌
+ its often not even "just because", but people simply dont want to tell their reason because it might be self centered
Dartigan, not every piece of information is spoon fed to you like in some other games, you have to find out the meaning of particular things because Yoko Taro leaves them open ended.
for example. the YorHa base is black and white because the Androids see the whole situation in black and white, the androids are the good people and the machines are the bad people.
2B says emotions are prohibited so she doesn't get close with 9S because spoilers. the commander doesn't enforce the "no emotions" rule because the operators she's surrounded are full of emotions.
Android models who go to earth wear blindfolds that serve as a visor. Ironic, but it's meant to symbolize that they "see no evil" while the operators "speak no evil". A2 doesn't have a blindfold because she was betrayed by YoRHa and knows something is wrong. 9S learned the "Truth" about the whole situation when he took off the blindfold.
Bader A Nice kh pic
"Everything wrong with pointing out wrong when not actually playing game to the end, because 'wrongs' would turn out to be hints about hidden story"
3/4 of these sins arent even proper sinning, just nitpicking
also your pronunciation Nietzsche is so bad that it caused me physical pain
Welcome to Dartigan's place, where nit-picking is the whole point of his channel.
It's pronounced Nee-tche you uncultured swine, but that's because your language was made by troglodites on an island instead of the true inner lands
also I only played this game of the whole series, and by all means there isn't a single sin here that is made on true and proper criticism, you just wanted to write something to demonstrate how gullibly smart you are, allthough failing miserably in the process
try harder kiddo
ok you're not even trying now
this is clearly a bait
at least put some effort in it
Before you go calling someone an uncultured swine, you have to know that just about every language (if not all of them) will have different pronunciations for certain words-and I won't even get into dialects and accents. Your pronunciation or Nietzsche correct, but so is this other guy's. (May I mention that these 'troglodites' came from the inner lands?) Do you notice the spider-like bosses in the game? They're named after the Japanese pronunciations of Chinese philosophers.
11:57 I may be remembering wrong since I haven't played it since the PC launch weekend, but I'm pretty sure Nines hacked into Eve to sever his connection with the network since he would otherwise constantly call over robots so he could heal.
The title should be, "Everything that's wrong with this video".
That doesn't even make sense lol
I smell a salty Nier fanboy.
Zura seriously I love this game but I'm not salty about this video it's funny
Zura salty, because this dipshit can't do his research.
@@joined_shores_art It's a satire video, he never even claims to be speaking the objective truth.
Also, in the Copied City, when Adam (2) states the concept of death has no meaning to them machines, he would contradict himself, as if it has no meaning, they do not understand it. I mean, assuming "no meaning" is a literal phrase.
*B E C O M E A S G O D S*
Would have loved to see a "Nothing" and 6 minutes of "Weight of the World" music here.
Are they game sins if they're intentional? The robots and androids doing suboptimal things and trying to emulate humans was the entire point of the game. Most of the sins are totally appropriate though.
they're sins regardless. Even if machines trying to emulate humans is the point and it's actually done well, the fact that it's a contradiction is going to be nitpicked. it's funnier when something that makes sense in context is sinned anyway.
The trio are cyborg not android, 4 people enter their mind to the YoRHa program; collect all the data before call something sin. Just saying.
"eve shouldn't be dead because he wasn't disconnected from the network" em did you miss the whole reason 9s died 9s hacked into eve to forcefully disconnect him
15:42 hacking the moon server and discovering humans were dead maybe?
1:07 "finnaly someone who knows how to get away of a circular object coming towards them" is a sin?
Yes it is and why have so many comments?
"And yet you can remember 2B even though your memories were only backed up just before meeting her."
Who said he can? They're in the same organization, they may know of each others existence before meeting, and mission debriefings/reports exist. They're especially important for those who _don't remember the mission._
A lot of these "sins" have actual reasons (i.e. 2B getting so emotional being due to this being the Xth time she's seen 9S die and as emotionless because it helped ease the pain...) that eventually get uncovered... This seems very surface level
A2 doesn’t wear anything that’s android “skin”
IKR? i saw that waaaay to late xD
The big gay _ yeeeet
The androids fighting an enemy that doesn't exist for the sake of a master that also doesn't exist is kind of the entire point, you know.
Flight units have shielding so that they don't burn up; you see this during Route C.
If you read the archives in the game, you can get pretty good info about Devola and Popola.
"Adam is clearly a Minecraft hacker."
-Dartigan, 2017
I could spend a while debunking most of these sins, but whatever
Most complaints boil down to "I didn't follow the game"
They aren't complaints. They are sins, which are jokes that parody cinema sins. You're not supposed to take it seriously. It's not a review of the game.
There’s no way this guy can be serious, right? It has to be a joke. That line about the bunker being in black and white “just because” seemed way too self aware. This dude knows this game is a masterpiece and is just trolling.
He's not don't worry. The whole channel is just making satire and poking fun at popular games.
"philosophy and fanservise do not go well together, they just don't" what the hell? I'm giving a sin to this Channel for that.
Like has he never once seen an anime
7:23
That's like, the entire conflict with 9s and 2b.
100% this man hasn't played this game
The footage was him playing it. The commentary was him talking about it. 100% this man hasn't watched cinema sins and doesn't understand the joke.
How is this over 20 minutes long? It only takes a couple seconds to say "Nothing"
Regarding emotions: “Why give them something they are not allowed to use?”
Did… did you even play the game?
11:55
In the middle of that Platinum level bossfight, 9s explains that he will shittily hack into the network and disconnect eve. Hell this leads to the next scene.
0:58 the creator already responded that, he said "i like women"
They wear blindfolds cause apparently it's their hud thing, like they wouldn't have hud elements of the game if they didn't wear it.
2:48 This is due to it being later revealed that not only had 2b been killing 9s ALOT before the game's events, but that 9s NEVER LOST ANY OF HIS MEMORIES.
7:11 It is revealed that later on the reason they choose the names Adam and Eve IS BECAUSE THEY ARE READING THE BIBLE
8:13 A2 is based off of Kaine from the first Nier, hence why her clothes are like that, ironically they actually cover up more than Kaine's clothes did
11:58 It is revealed that 9s when hacking into Eve disconnects him from the machine network, so he did die/could die.
14:24 your sinning these explanation cutscenes when if you played the first nier you'd know they have them there in the 2nd playthrough as well, due to it supposed to show how the main character ISN'T the protagonist of the story, but much rather the villian current sin total for this bit: 2
15:26 While we all initially assume that's what it means the word that actually makes more sense is adam asking 9s if he wants to KILL 2b, cause 9s does have ALL HIS MEMORIES OF 2b KILLING HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. It gives him alot more characterization and puts things more in perspective.
17:58 A2 wouldn't be affected due to her disconnecting from the android network when rebelling/deserting
18:11 A2 isn't a stranger to 2b, heck 2b was based off of A2's model, and therefore have similar personalities, and also a comparability to share parts and information. It's also implied that 2b knew A2 sometime before the events of the first game, cause she herself was thinking of deserting so she wouldn't have to kill 9s, who she had growing feelings for.
21:01 Still didn't realize that he asked 9s if he wanted to KILL not FUCK 2b
Total gamesins messups : 11 aka DO MORE RESEARCH
Edit: for those people who think that I'm ignoring the other sins, your clearly misunderstanding : the sins listed above are what they got wrong, and the rest of the sins I either don't care about or agree with.
Vasalis Erretti When do the player discovers the "2:48" thing? I played it recently but i can't remember anything about that
When she says "whys it always end like this"
About the kill/fuck censor thing, it's both. It can also be love, kiss, hold, and other things but the most accepted one is it's both kill _and_ fuck.
"Fuck" can totally mean different things. One is making love, having a sexual intercourse. The other is pummeling someone to their last speck of dust.
I'm pretty sure the androids have blindfolds, to symbolise that they are blind to the truth and the other androids are wearing veils to symbolise that they cannot speak the truth.
"Adam is clearly a Minecraft Hacker."
I couldn't help but burst into laughter at that xD I don't even think it was meant to be that funny xD
The hardest boss was the credits. CHANGE MY MIND
No,i don't think i will
“They can’t die” ( 9s and 2b) yes they can, when a android die the memories desapear, and the backup are uploaded to the new android, it’s practically a new person
Dude, I love your content. However, this by far the worst video younmade about a video game . it is seem whether you weren't paying atention or you didn't play the game as a whole. One example was when you said," the human was never in the moon" that was explianed in 9s campaigne in where the commander said to him that not only the human did not make it to the moon but as wel they were extint before the alien invasion.
bro is handing out random sins for close to no reasoning
Yea I don’t think this guy really got what the whole game was about 🤣
Boy people seem mad over this one. Fuckin' great game, good video, Dartigan, looking forward to more.
Everyone wants him to sin Nier: Automata.
Everyone then proceeds to get butthurt that he sinned shit in Nier: Automata.
He sinned proper sins, but also sinned things for not being explained even though they ARE explained in somewhat hidden ways.
A lot is up to interpretation, but at least 30 of this videos' sins can be countered directly by pulling up a quote of some dialogue at some point in the game.
This video makes some good points, but is relatively unfair compared to most other sins videos of games i've played through.
He simply sins the game for some flaws it doesn't have.
This is why many people are getting butthurt, because the game deserves more recognition for making a lot of sense despite its convoluted timeline.
Acertive Pillow You know how many people say this about every video he has made? Or bascially every sin video made by anyone?
Yeah, but this time it was like:
9s: *screams* I'm going to hack Eve to separate him from the Machine Network! *hacks Eve*
Dartigan: Why did Eve die? It's not like he was separated from the Network or sth like that ... x'D
Nejvyn Well, you can call me a dullard for this, but I too didn't pay attention to the dialogue when I faught Eve. It's kind of unfair really, voiceovers get interrupted by sounds of battle and you still have to read subs, while dodging giant hands.
People wanted him to point out the mistakes of the game
Not make comments about why he personally like the game ,50% and more of his awnsers could be easily found by searching them on google .
1 or so year later and this video still makes me laugh because they didn’t get further than ending A lol
While I understand why this is the case, I find it pretty sad that most Nier: Automata players play it before the original Nier. Mainly because:
A. Since the devs completely spoil OG Nier, new players to the franchise won't be able to experience it blind.
B. New players won't be able to pick up on all of the references to OG Nier.
C. New players can't see the importance that Emil, Devola, and Popola had to the series, and their stories won't be fully appreciated. This is especially true for Emil, who imo has the most depressing story line out of everybody!
When you watch this after beating the game and leaving it alone for a year and are ready to get hurt again
Anton Devil What?
7:30
probably because Yorha kills any Android that figures out what's going on. that's literally one of 2b's main functions, to kill deserters and Androids who know too much. really, it's like you weren't paying attention at all.
This game is the most emotionally devastating game I ever played. The impact of it on my worldview is huge, maybe more than my entire education.
It wasn't deep. The philosophy was shallow.
I've had my worldview and personal philosophy challenged and wildly changed by books, movies, games and, hell, even songs, but definitely not by this game. The story is great and drives its point home, but it really isn't that deep in my opinion.
5:33 “I may not understand most of this game...” And yet you made a video where you pretend to know most about the game and its predecessors for the sake of sinning it. Ironic.
20:06 pascal said 2B killed all the robots
About devola and popola, the game does not need to develop what they did in the previous game because it is a sequel, is halo 3 supposed to give a short recap of the events of halo 2?
Honestly the first minute of the video told me enough about how you chose to interpret the game's dialogue, message, and historical references.
"Philosophy and fan service do not go well together. They just don't."
Hellyeah, it does.... 😜
A good deal of these ‘sins’ are actually ‘fixed’ in the final endings/deep lore or at least heavily implied... but okay. Never-mind all that I guess.
8:16 She doesn’t. She only wears a corset. The rest is her burned skin.
I'd argue against Devola and Popola being villains in the last game. At the worst, they're antagonists, because the two are not always one in the same. A villain is an evil person, while an antagonist is just someone who opposes the hero.
Outlast 2 should be next. Terribly mediocre at best
and sex
*SCAT*
your* character's*
I don't usually comment on videos, ever, but this is really good. You are very concrete, the video is fun to watch, and it feels really refreshing to see someone with a different point of view. I've also noticed some of these things myself when going through the game for the first time, and they have rather bothered me so it's nice to see that I'm not as alone as I'd think :) Kudos to you friend!
A good chunk of the sins here are actually explained or more laid out after awhile of thinking.
For the best example is the "I know you want to **** 2B" moment. In truth, it's actually 2 things that fit it that ultimately works with 9S: Fuck...and Kill.
That's what the memory section with him stabbing 2B's corpse was, yet his reaction to having her memories be deleted and yes, the sin part you skipped over when he meets the 2B duplicates and says he finally has the chance to kill her.
Despite the fact he's been constantly mindwiped by getting to close to the truth by 2B/2E(which is foreshadowed by an out of the way mission on 9S's playthrough in that Executioner Units exist specifically to kill YoRHa units), he still retains his the memory that he both knows 2B is his executioner and the fact he really does like her...but hates her for constantly killing him(and yes, it's EXACTLY the same way in reverse for 2B, she HATES killing him over and over again but has no choice due to those being her orders).
That's why he still knows 2B even though he didn't upload his data back at the beginning of the game and why 2B reacted in that way.
I didn't realize the kill part good observation.
It's mainly due to what Adam was talking about to 9S earlier, about the violence of mankind and other things. It seems to come straight the hell out of nowhere that he would suddenly bring up sex but I believe that was the point, to be a pumpfake and get you to think of it in that context rather than what Adam was talking about earlier.
And of course, it lines up with how 9S interacts with 2B after she dies.
Xhominid, The One and Only
It can't mean kill. In the French translation, there are only enough asterisks for "fuck" and a few other words that would make no sense.
Except it does. One of Jackass's missions as 2B has her spell out that what makes the YoRHA units want to kill and what makes them want to love is basically the same emotion for them.
And it also makes sense with how 9S ultimately sees 2B if you take his side missions and how he acts during the second half otherwise.
Not necessarily. 9s never had his data backed up. He woke up before 2b and was told to report to her chambers. He is also always acting the way he does, so any personality he shared with her is innate and isn't something new at all. This is literally no evidence within game that shows that 2b is the executioner of 9s for the reasons stated to have her be so, considering it's 2b's first encounter with him fighting the goliath and 9s' first time having a partner, considering he remarks going on solo missions.
If there is a time skip like from ending A and the start of C, then I could understand, because 3 weeks have passed, and 9s might have witnessed her killing him a number of times or something, but the version from start of A doesn't have those memories.
I feel maybe the translation wasn't good enough, but it's currently blank information.
Unreliable narrators aren't a plot hole actually. If the universe backs them up then it can be a plot hole.
did...we play the same game?? did you...pay attention? at all..
I really can’t tell if this is a joke or not. Did you not understand anything at all? The game literally addresses the vast majority of the “criticisms” you give.
It kinda seems like you missed a lot or misunderstood a lot because the things you say can't be explained can actually be explained. Not to say this game doesn't have it's flaws but you're crapping on a lot of it for really no reason?
The quick version of NieR: Automata story: WTF?
TheCommentGuy kingdom hearts is worse 😂 but both are still great
@@joined_shores_art whispers* but nier and nier automata are written by a genius unlike the mess that is kingdom hearts...
@@matthewlugo2417 It isn't a mess. Information just doesn't get spoon fed to you.
Sure, Nomura retconing certain aspects is horrible, but once you puzzle the aspects together, the only question you have is: "Why did he decide to do that?"
And we even have an answer to that.
@@joined_shores_art you say that but the actual story is spread out over alots of media the main story! Yoko taro does this too but its never apart of the mainstory its usually stories to widen the perception of the world, its literally more world building, nier and automata even have side quests that do the same. Dont defend horrible story writing thats as sutble and deep as detriot become human. Yoko taro has his vision and his intent, his games are meant to create an emotion in the player and ask the player questions they might not have the answers to
@@matthewlugo2417 Yoko Taro actually is a writer. Nomura isn't.
Don't get me started on David Cage please, I don't feel like loosing braincells today.
The Aliens attacking the bunker thing isn't a plothole there were no humans on the moon.
Aliens 'are' attacking the Androids and YoRHa is a total pain in their neck. Why not launch a full-scale attack on Bunker? In fact, aliens are actually capable of interstellar travel. Say, a single burst of anti-matter projectile would annihilate the bunker and be done with them.
Seriously, bringing up some fantasy world based character to mush up alien attack plot hole is just lazy. Those 'Dimension travel' is quite common in cheap (and cheesy) fantasy novels and even became cliche.
You know what? You don't have to make any plots complex at all. Complex plots only work in political drama such as Romans of Three Kingdoms, Legend of Galactic Heroes, etc. or thrillers. Not Sci-Fi love story. -_-
talezshin okay, play the game. There was no moon base when the aliens were alive.
Spirono and yet you haven't said anything of value yet to the guy
So clarification (don't know if this has been posted).
The **** 2B scene... Its Kill, not lewd, not f**k... its Kill.
CGProductions it's both kill and fuck.
5:23 actually, a machine might be the robots with alien origins