Sega Rally 2 (Dreamcast vs Dreamcast) Side by Side Comparison - Dual Longplay
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2023
- A side-by-side comparison of the American version of the Dreamcast with the code that increases the frame rate vs the game's default mode without the code.
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The Dreamcast/PS2 generation was the beginning of the end for the arcade. The gulf between 16bit consoles and the model 2 hardware in the arcades was immense. Going to the arcade was a spectacle. Even during the PS1 years, the arcade was still miles ahead. When we got virtually arcade perfect model 3 games on the Dreamcast, the arcade just didn't seem that exciting any more, and it hasn't since.
Have you seen SFV on an arcade? Tekken 6? Now you pretty much gotta go to Japan to actually touch one but man... Huge difference versus consoles...
Arcade still had one huge advantage, tho: Luxury cabinets, special input methods and devices, hydraulics, huge 8 player setups and so on. Couldnt do that at home.
@@MH-yp6wg yes, good point. I do think these units fell out of favour though, as it became harder and harder for arcades to justify the enormous costs of those sorts of cabinet.
@@edonslow1456 Yeah well... sort of. All of this played a role in the decline of the arcades. But it also depends on the location, in Japan they still are somewhat popular, because the social "crowd"-factor also plays a role (showing off your skillz in front of a crowd!). So many music-games were released as 1:1 home version, but nevertheless hugely popular in the arcade for this reason.
But I was very sad when Sega closed their famous Arcade buildings. :(
There is no arcade perfect port to dc from model 3. Something was always missing.
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Valew pelas legendas em português, para mim não tinha diferença nenhuma, sempre joguei qualquer uma e desconhecia esse código aí, a diversão sempre foi a mesma para mim nesse game 😂
Se agradecen los subtítulos en Castellano, estupendo vídeo, me encantan estas comparativas y me encanta este juego.
That's cool that you put the Code to Increase Framerate at the top of the screen. So to run at a higher frame rate you sacrifice cosmetic stage features. Missing from the right side is the rally stage start. No spectators lining the sides of the track. The navigator yelling Oh No! was funny and great.
I'll take a locked framerate over a variable framerate any day. Well said, VCD. Great video. Love the channel.
I have played both original (JAP) and "fixed" (PAL) versions. I have seen many (including magazines) saying that the "fixed" version is inferior because the frame rate is worse, but like you, I disagree. Yes, the original version is smoother at times, but that also means the frame rate drops are more frequent and much more noticeable, resulting in uncomfortable gameplay. The generally lower frame rate in the western versions also fixed some of the slowdowns the original version had (the first straight in the Desert course, for example). While not ideal, the western versions are a better compromise because there are less slowdowns and the frame rate, if lower in average, is more stable.
With that being said, later racing games proved that we could have had a much better port than what we got, but like Daytona USA for the Saturn (another rushed port early in the console's life span), SEGA Rally 2 on the Dreamcast is still a fun and great game that has a lot of extra content (tracks and cars) and that shouldn't be overlooked just because of its technical issues.
Press Up, A, Down, Down, Left, Right, B, B, Up at the Press Start Button screen to lock framerate to 30fps (a tone confirms correct entry).
That's different to the 60fps code that reduces visuals and still can't maintain 60fps much more than the vanilla default setting. This makes gameplay 100% stable and perfectly playable with no issues so you can enjoy the substantial additional content over the arcade version.
Where the arcade has 4 tracks, the home version offers the first three as track themes with 3 courses each, plus two all new themes on top with the same amount of courses for each, plus weather and time of day variations of all of these through the 10 year championship campaign.
So, while it's a technically challenged port, its gameplay & new content (against Sega's usual barebones efforts) make it more than worthwhile.
Of course it's also much higher resolution, Model 3 pushed just 62% the pixels (or Dreamcast pushes 161,29% the pixels), so something had to give for such an early port from such completely different architecture and programming methods, given they also added some effects/lighting. That's also part of why imo Daytona USA (2001) is nothing to scoff at next to Daytona USA 2 as that too is higher resolution with flawless performance and draw distance, it just aped the original game more than the sequel in style, theme and even gameplay and did so very successfully, it's ace!
The Riviera track being lit every few metres, but with no actual street lamps! Hahaha
Disappointing we never got a port of Daytona 2 but if they were going to half ass it like this conversion it's probably for the best
Agreed
Maybe people confused it with Sega Rally1 on Saturn which indeed the Japanese version is better.
VCD bustin' myths. Love it! A similar myth exists with the Japanese version of SEGA Saturn DOOM.
Adorei esta serie de videos sobre o Sega Rally 2, apesar de ter seus problemas, é um dos meus games favoritos no Dreamcast. Muito interessante este codigo de framerate, eu não sabia kkkk
Its the same thing ?
The high framerate trick smells like a split screen mode that never got added... perhaps even a 4 player mode?
i don't think there is a code for the Japanese version but it might be the default without the code in the Japanese version as well.
but not sure about the european and Australian versions too though.
It works on the JP version too.
Sega Rally 2 default is running something like 20/25 frames per second. and with the cheat code disabling details it runs around 35/45 frames per second. it looks better and make it more playable. but it's a technical fail. Sega Rally 2 was running better on Windows 98 PC computers with a less powerfull VideoLogic PowerVR2 Neon 250 graphic card ?! what did they wrong ?
It's possible that the WinCE layer of the game was poorly optimized for the console. (After all the game became a rush job thanks to Microsoft begging)
I noticed people talking about how bad this port was.... But from what i see, the only thing the arcade port had over this version was the framerate. Is the added realism the issue here?
Arcade has better textures, better models, better draw distance, constant 60fps and IMO far better artistic choice for colors and lighting.
DC has slightly better resolution and more content.
@@MH-yp6wg I'm not sure how that makes it a bad port though. A Dreamcast isn't as powerful as a Naomi so naturally the graphics would be worst. People are acting like the game was ruined.
Nah don't get me wrong, I was not saying it was a bad port (well... maybe it is). I owned the japanese version for DC and it was alright, a good game. I was merely stating some differences, because it is not only framerate. But Sega Rally 2 was released on Model 3 (Step 2), not on Naomi.@@jimmysmomschannel
didnt they use windows ce for this port if so that doesnt really take advantage of the gpu in Dreamcast
Sure it does. There's only a little more hardware abstraction involved.@@southsidetherealest2860
Pelo que se nota drástica mente é que a versão da esquerda tem mais elementos do que o outro..tipo o cenário tem maus elementos.
Versão de Dreamcast é capada.
Didn't know the hack framerate version...the problem with this game is WindowsCE, which doesn't use full DC hw (probably even partly): even with half original framerate, the game still got a draw distance distincltly lower tha the original Model3 counterpart, of course DC properly programed could (and can) deliver a perfect conversion at rock solid 60 fps.
Yep
Great Channel. Surf Rocket Racer Vs. Jet Power Racer 2001. Dreamcast Vs. Dreamcast ❤
Windows CE matou o port desse jogo
It is interesting but too many cuts
DC has Online mode...
The main problem with this port is that it's just the Windows 98 PC port running under Dreamcast's Windows CE support, which barely uses the DC hardware for anything. If the game was made with the main DC SDK, it wouldn't drop frames.
Nope. PC is actually a port of the DC-version.
@@MH-yp6wg Both are Windows games.
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu Does not change the fact that the DC-version is NOT a port of the PC-version. PC-version almost half a year AFTER the Dreamcast-release.
@@MH-yp6wg Yes. I can google things as well. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s limited by the shitty sdk
If I remember correctly from back in the day it couldn't hold the frame rate at 60 frames per. Which is why the standard-setting was 30 frames
La mejor best versión es la jap v1.03 ... Y hacer el truco de 30fps fijos... A quien se le ocurre hacer la de 60fps y que no hay nada en pantalla?... El truco de 30fps y jap v1.03... tiene vibración y save replay
Cómo encuentro una copia original que sea 1.0.3? Y por qué es mejor que la americana si el framerate es menos estable en la japonesa ?
I see no difference, which is which ??
Play the video in 720p60 or 1080p60 to see the Framerate difference. Look at the lack of background objects on desert and forest as well.
@@jimmysmomschannel I just watch on phone. Probably why I can’t tell the difference. So which one is better ?
@@chrisryan8894 The video on the left has a higher graphics, the video on the right has a higher Framerate. So ce the higher Framerate isn't stable, the video on the left would be better in a overall perspective.
The Dreamcast version looks excellent for a home version.
No it doesnt'.
It really doesn't. It should look arcade perfect on it but Sega messed it up using winCE during the port which underutilized the DC hardware.
This code has always sucked. Takes away track detail and the framerate BARELY improves in select areas. It's not worth it. I will say this game has better chances of hitting 60fps if you play in bumper cam.
The 30 fps code is so pathetic ! by god... what a horrible and miserable port !
Japanese version has one frame less of input delay
Sega rally é até divertido, tem bom desafio. Mas os gráficos são horríveis! Super simples sem detalhes, draw distance zuado. Nao tem praticamente nada na tela e ainda se ve montando as coisas na tela, fraquíssimo! Os modelos 3D dos veículos simplezinho tamb... Console fraco demais o DC
Fraco?? Kkk..Qual sua idade??Mano, o console é de 1998..nessa época ter um DC era quase que ter um arcade em casa, o que era impossível na época..
Um console ser potente não impede que jogos fracos sejam feitos pra ele, isso é óbvio..aí já é com a desenvolvedora..E esse port foi muito mal feito mesmo..
@@ProfGlaucio Vai chorar, é? Emociona não. O dc Nada mais era que um ps1 melhorado, so isso. Dava um tapa legal ali nos visuais e GG. Otimo pra ports de joguinhos arcade da época e isso era o Dc. Video game paia, até o joystick era zuado! Pegada horrível, 6botoes e uma lavanca, zuadinho o dream, man. Deus te abencoe 🙏
Em que planeta vc mora pra falar isso em 99 perto de ps1 e N64 ? Copia de ps1 foi demais ninguém merece não há como comparar um console que gera 3000000 de poligonos com nada abaixo dele apenas os arcades da época mesmo e só model 3 pois nada batia o Dream em capacidade me desculpe mas você está muito equivocado ou jamais jogou na época
@@feps9555 No mesmo planeta que vc. Tive esse ps1 melhorado e vi vários amantes da sega. Burlando de todo modo o console e em seguida desistindo con o anuncio do ps2. Nem seguista na epoca gostava do Dc de tão paia que era. Vendendo o "arcade" caseiro pra investir no brinquedinho novo da sony. Hj em dia, quase 25 anos depois, vivem por ai nos chats chorando haha
Video game fraco, paia! Apenas um ps1 e n64 melhorado. Star wars racer é melhor nele que no meia quatro. Test drive tbm é melhor no Dc que no ps1, e tem que ser, ne? Afinal de contas ele foi parido pra isso, ser melhor que os concorrentes da epoca. ✌️
O DC era bem superior ao PS1 e o N64, ate superava o PS2 e o GC em cache de video, esse port do Sega Rally 2 é que ficou ruim mesmo, provavelmente por causa do uso do Windows CE no jogo, olha Test Drive LeMans no DC, era maravilhoso na epoca.
'That's the lesson for today as homework'.
My god, you are patronising and condescending.
Gra jest strasznie trudna nawet na NORMAL nigdy nie byłem 1. Najlepiej to 3 po latach treningów...Wersja arcade jest łatwiejsza i płynniejsza..i lepiej wygląda))