Yep. In combatives such as Sambo or Krav Maga you actually have your hands up quite a bit, although admittedly angled more forward than the guy in this video had. Anyway, point being is that you are entirely correct: people who think that someone is not a potential threat simply because that someone has their hands raised and/or open are simply showing their ignorance of how actual physical altercations take place.
Hands up is a form of submitting because it shows your not holding a weapon or going for your weapon. In this case he put hands up to try and get close for an attack. Sort of like a trick. Probably heard that hands up don't shoot crap and thought it would work.
"@2ndarymotion Hands up is only a surrender gesture if you stop advancing." Hands up is to show you have no weapon and legally you cannot shoot no matter what direction he is going. Remember he lives in the parking lot. That is his home. Was...
@@chadmills5400There is no law that says what you claim. If someone is approaching you in a threatening manner and you have a legitimate fear for your safety or someone else's safety, you're legally allowed to stop the threat. A jury would find it totally plausible he was intending to disarm the defender and use his weapon against him. Unfortunate situation, but 100% a clean self defense shooting.
Thanks. Unfortunately, when I looked into security for my church, they said no pepper spray, no taser, no firearm. I politely declined and will find a safer church. California no surprise.
That’s so dangerous! You’re fortunate you have the 2nd Amendment in the States. I’m in Canada and we’re not permitted armed security. I think we need to do what we need to do to protect lives.
I hear what you are saying, but your church still needs a team to walk the parking lot and greet people at the door ...this alone can save lives potentially
@DeltaLimaActual-t2o I guess I'm blessed...my pastor allows our safety team to carry and we had more guys go get their CCW permits than we have cops...I will keep you in my prayers that you find a good church that has a legit safety team🙏🏼
I'm new to this. I just moved out a liberal state and got my opened carry license. There is so much to learn. I truly enjoy watching your content and advice. Thank you very much, God bless.
I’m a firearm instructor here in Texas if you have any questions reach out I promise you the firearm community especially here on TH-cam is full of a lot of very knowledgeable people! Remember no question asked is a stupid one
His hands are up, but he is not retreating, and he is still showing signs of aggression. In addition, him having his hands up gives him an advantage at the time of attack because he doesn't have to take the time to raise them. Consider that dudes hands as weapons.
The guy sped up his advance... he left the officer no option. I'm well trained too, but now I'm an older man, I can't fight as hard, nor would I try in this situation. The hands up was being used to make the officer hesitate... I'm glad he didn't.
Hands up while continuing to approach me isn't exactly a sign of "surrender". With that said, this person is clearly having a psychotic episode so he wasn't going to think logically when it comes to not being afraid of a gun pointed at you. Overalls sad situation.
I just stumbled upon your channel, and thank God that I did. I’m an armed security guard at a university, served 9 years in the Marines, and I’m also a student at the very same university. I’m 42 years old. I lift at the university’s gym 4x a week. I run a 5k after every workout. I strive to give myself as many options as possible so that when times get tough pulling my firearm and taking a life will always and ever only be a last resort. I’m on the right path and I’m exercising good practices. Your channel has reaffirmed it as such.
100% This is what will probably crush him or the defender in court if the DA wants to pursue it... He escalated by intervening to prevent property damage instead of calling the police. Then when it escalated further, someone came and pulls a firearm for an altercation that the old man himself started by not just calling the police over some property damage..
@@slyguy8943 for someone that wasn’t there, you sure seem to know a lot about what happened. It’s a lot different armchair quarterbacking online than it is when you’re actually in the situation. I can tell you’ve never been in a life-threatening or even threatening situation before in your life.
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete imbecilic take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY. This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police. It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building.. I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life. This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police. Now someone is dead. Sit down clown.
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete nonsense take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY. This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police. It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building.. I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life. This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police. Now someone is dead. Sit down.🤡
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete NONSENSE take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY. This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police. It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building.. I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life. This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police. Now someone is dead. Sit down. 🤡
My most memorable "talk down" of an escalation was an ex-cop and his wife who'd been fighting, kicked over a honey-bucket and had been rolling in it. When I got there (my partner was out of the game, that's a whole different facet to this story) he was bowed up and ready to fight and made it clear there was no way I was going to take him to jail. 45 minutes later I was able to hand him my handcuffs, he put them on himself and walked to the van and got in. At the jail he walked in. I didn't have to touch him at ALL. I asked the jail staff to sanitize my cuffs before I came back for them and went to hose/scrub out the back of the van (it's what our department used for patrol vehicles, cargo vans). The rest of that story was the wife asked for an ambulance, I requested one. When the ambulance crew acknowledged the call, I suggested to them to bring the OLD unit, and was "put in my place" since they don't answer to me. LOL Everyone wanted to be seen driving the NEW ambulance on a call. When they got there, I pointed to their patient (covered head to toe in feces/urine) and suggested that I may've had a REASON for my suggestion, knowing they were going to have to sanitize the entire ambulance when they got back to the Fire Station. They pulled into the Fire Station as I was leaving, having hosed/scrubbed my van already. That was 1984, to this day I remember the names of that husband/wife who were fighting. LOL
@@crazysquirrel9425 No, not ALWAYS. The Alaska statutes mandate that on domestic violence, SOMEONE must go to jail. If it was mutual combatants, I took them BOTH to jail. There were times I took the woman to jail and NOT the man.
Old school cops could handle situations without having to murder civilians. Policing has changed quite a bit. I'd take 1 of you 'older' cops over 10,000 current cops.
@@Sercer25 I got cops in my family. The old guys brag about bagging felons. The young guys brag about teaching a lesson to anybody to pisses them off. Things are definitely different. I have huge fingers crossed with the new president. I know you don't want to depend on a politician to fix problems but the last one really sent the message to cops loud and clear that they aren't here to protect our best interests, but the politicians and the deep state's interests. If you arrest George Floyd, you go to jail and get killed. If you arrest a white christian for asserting his 4th amendment and retaining his I.D. when you don't like the cut of his jib.......get a promotion! This president's attitude is a little less Marxists to say the least so here's to hoping.
Sure but the CPL holder put himself in that range. Why didnt he call 911 at least prior to approaching. Depending on the state that may not be self defense unless its a stand your ground state.
I was a security guard at my church for 14 years and the city that our church was in had a mental hospital so we had to deal with a few people that were mentally unstable, but fortunately we didn't have any bad incidents. Here's where a lot of people get mixed up, they ask, "Doesn't one of the ten commandment say " Thou shall not kill?" Yes, but the proper translation should be, Thou shall not murder. That is a huge difference between murdering someone and protecting yourself,your family or an innocent bystander. Ecclesiastes 3:1 To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.V3. A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up. Also read the 13th chapter of Romans because it is talking about the law God has given the authority that is given to law enforcement persons. My ministry has been to men in jail for at least 10 years and I've have told these prisoners, you have to respect the law because God has ordained it and he has given any law enforcement personal the right to use deadly force if necessary. Romans13:4 For he (officer of the law) is the minister of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the sword (a weapon) in vain: For he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that does evil.
The suspect was approaching with a textbook gun takeaway technique. Raise your hands at shoulder height, move close enough to reach out, and say a distraction phrase. "What do you want me to do?" It's takes the person who is holding the gun a split second to think, causing the distraction long enough to attempt the takeaway.
Do you legitimately believe that this guy's intention was to attempt to disarm the shooter and that even so it would be in any way reasonable to assume he would succeed? With a comment that ridiculous you sound more like the guy who got shot that someone whose thinking with a straight head on their shoulders.
@sango_wilko851 You would bet your life he wouldn't fight for the gun. Granted I wouldn't put myself in this position and I would use other force option such as a front kick, however; if that didn't work there comes a point where you have to realize the situation you are in. This is a deadly force encounter because a gun was brought to the fight. My comment was to the very second that the decision was made to use deadly force. I wouldn't take a chance with someone walking toward me, knowing we would be in a fight for the gun. Right or wrong, it's for the courts to decide. I pray you are never in that situation where you have to make that choice. God bless.
@@g1942transientI think that if you are willing to make a decision to use deadly force based on a hypothetical scenario of something someone could do which would present a deadly threat and not on them actually presenting that threat than the only thing you are betting with is your soul.
To the point of the guy using his phone to video instead of calling. He even admitted that he saw this guy beating up on the old man, he should have called the police at that point.
His utterances sounds like a blend ancient knowledge with contemporary culture. When he said ‘I have overtaken you’ was especially revealing as to his state of mind. The ‘voices’. No one really saw these things before that cops have been seeing for years. Wow. I hope your “STOP” article goes viral. Excellent video. Thank you 🙏 GBY
@@LibertysetsquareJack Clearly a paranoid schizo, Jesus/messiah complex is quite common with these people... Cops see this ALL THE TIME... trust me, it's common.
Thanks Keith. I was recently involved in a self-defense situation involving edged weapons where I called 911 at the first sign of trouble. Unfortunately, I had no escape option and was attacked before first responders could arrive. By the grace of God, I was able to disarm the individual before either of us were seriously injured or killed in the physical grappling that followed. Once the attacker was disarmed, I physically maintained a defensive position until police arrived. The assailant was arrested and taken to Jail. Your training tips are invaluable and I can't thank you enough for sharing your expertise with us. God bless you.
Can you please please describe exactly how it happened?? I love hearing these kinds of stories and you could give us some lessons learned. I don't know you but I'm glad to hear you are safe👍.
@@slappy8941 There are 8 billion people on earth. That's 8 billion definitions of God. You don't know my definition of God. You only know YOUR definition of God. Which is why you walk without God. The origin of all life, _is_ God. You came from the same source, as all humanity. We exist, therefore something caused that. Cause & effect. It's physics.
Well put Keith. As a street chaplain in Queensland Australia i have learnt alot from your channel about my safety and that of my team and there are still many homeless people i would never turn my back on. I have also come across so many mentally ill street people who know scripture inside out and use that scripture as a weapon towards me in the hope that i will argue with them. Up to this point the Lord has had my back and given me the words and means to de-escalate situations, i am a licenced firearms owner but here in Australia we are not allowed to conceal carry. I also get many other Christians who admonish me for owning firearms, sad but true. God bless you and yours Keith and keep up the good work of teaching Christians how to stand up for our communities. Bryan M. Man of Faith Ministry 🇦🇺 P.S. Churches here in Australia seem to have the illusion that nothing will happen in their church. Complacency allows evil to fester and i talk to many pastors trying to tell them to get even a token secrity team trained but to no avail. Even after the attack of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel they still will not realise the danger of satan getting desperate. ✝️🙏🏼🛐❤️🔥
God Bless you! My church decided to disband our security team and the individual who was our board representative basically called us thugs. They said having a visible security team was unfriendly and un inviting. Before they disbanded the security team, this same representative wanted only one person alone working security. It was not safe. Those of us on the security team were former LEO’s and trained combat Military retirees and military medics and at least two of us are CA DOJ certified Firearms instructors. There final excuse for disbanding the team was that security wasn’t necessary because incidents are so rare that there was nothing to worry about and that we just needed to have faith. Needless to say we are looking for another church who takes the security of the congregation seriously. I pray to God they are right and nothing happens to them. Thank you for the training that you share. I also would have added that having a less than lethal option is important too. Pepper spray or tear gas or even a taser would give you another option as they can be deployed at a distance if someone is advancing on you. I always have those options available to me before having to escalate. P.S. I would have been on 911 while I was driving over to intervene.
This is great teaching. Im a commissioned security guard. I hold security on a health clinic and it's in the ghetto. Prior i worked corrections for almost 10 years. I used a lot of the tactics you discussed. Thank you for what you do. God bless.
The "you are leaving here in an ambulance if we fight" statement has worked for me as well. Being ready for a fight is a good way to avoid one. So learn to be ready!
All solid advice, spot-on tactics. It is crucially important to distinguish the role, abilities, and responsibilities between the armed citizen, security, and law enforcement. This man knows his stuff = subscribed.
I stumbled on this channel. Thank you for your advice. I am 70 and a part of our armed security team at our church. It is sad that we have to worry about this stuff at church.
@@scottheld4837 OK I get what you are saying, no this man was clearly delusional, confused... This man may have been demon possessed or influenced, as the first commenter alludes to. Satan and his minions clearly know the scripture as well or if not better than most run of the mill Sunday go to meeting casual Christians. I have several classmates from Bible College who have served many years in areas where demonic possession, Satan worship,,, are prevalent. What the attacker was spewing was similar to what I have heard these same friends of mine state time and time again of encounters with demonic forces and the people controlled by them. I also agree with you God is not the author of confusion, Satan is, he is the Father of lies which is kind of what the dialog from the attacker sounds like isn't it? Either way you look at it, this is just about as sad as it gets.
That is not "Possession", Good thing it's not the middle ages, You would have been burning women at the stake as witches, this guy is most likely Schizophrenic and also likely knew the bible inside out, Do you? I have a brother that has behaved just like this and he became a Christian about a year before coming down with signs of Schizophrenia at around the age of 18 and I had to deal with several incidences very similar to this over the years with my brother, he is now in his mid 40's and had to finally be put on a shot that last about 3 months, and you don't have to deal with the issues that most people deal with that are on oral daily meds, is that they think they are all better and will stop taking their meds and will then have psychotic episodes, with this shot it is guaranteed that they are on their medication at all times.. Another key factor is having police that are actually trained to deal with people with mental illnesses, after many episodes with my brother over the years, It got to the point where we could call the police and explain the situation and they knew who he was and they would actually send out officers trained to deal with people like this when possible that can deescalate the situation rather than aggravate it to where force is used.. Most police do the opposite of what one should when dealing with Schizophrenic's, "Confrontation" is the worst reaction to use with a schizophrenic, it only makes things worse.. I know this from years of personal experience and research..
My dad and i lived in someone's basement when i was a teenager. This happened when i was 15. Their son-in-law was drunk and was using a ladder to gain entry into the house armed with a rifle. The daughter of the man called me and asked to convince him to leave. I grabbed a handgun and went out to talk him down. It took about 5 minutes, but he eventually came down and went home. I talked calmly with him to deescalate him.
Great advice on avoiding argumentative language. I never considered that since most arguments I have seen or been in, one person is always verbally countering the other. But I just gotta say I cracked up when you said, "may I pray with you, and then don't close your eyes...." No offense, but it made my day!
Good analysis, good advice. Remember folks, just because you were doing the right things doesnt mean youre safe. Do not make any statements without an attorney present.
They started running public service announcements on my favorite AM radio station, to educate the public against just taking video at crime scenes. It encourages the public to call 911 and give accurate info to the police.
Thanks for pointing out warning signs and giving insights on how to defuse them in these videos! Hopefully it will help security team members to be proactive in controlling the situation for the best outcome.
Excellent break down of the situation, what to do, what not do, safety steps etc. As a retired LEO, On Point! Sad to see it happen. I'm with you Keith, rather upset about the witness who would rather film than call 911 or help.
What a scary situation. This is why it is important to play scenarios of all kinds in your mind or training. It’s easy to say or think I would have done this or wouldn’t do that however real life situations evolve differently.
Pepper spray only works from a distance. You're supposed to use it from at least 10 ft because you can actually permanently blind someone up close. Not all security carry pepper spray it just really depends on the company but since this was a church security then it's up to the church
Good advice. I have experienced some crazy moments when I used to live in the Uk years ago, trying to keep a long story short, I was about 16 at the time. I was walking around the downtown area after watching a late movie at the cinema with some friends. We rounded a corner to see a verbal argument between some guys. It was 3 men vs. 5 younger guys (like early20s). So the verbal exchange escalated fast into a fight and was chaotic. That's when one of the guys pulled a knife and started stabbing one of the three men. He was being stabbed in his back. He started to fall like his body shut down when being stabbed while standing. Like a tree going down, probably passed out from shock of something, the mans head hit the floor and sounded like a coconut bounce. Then, the 5 guys scattered and ran. Ran in our direction and round the corner we approached from. All was caught on cctv. The police were on scene after them about a minute after they ran. Was a crazy moment. I tried to keep it as short as possible. But in times like this, when dealing with possible violence, you need to be smart. And get training from experienced people. I have another similar story, but not ending with a serious stabbing. Btw the guy survived. I will tell that story if anyone else is interested, let me know.. great video, I will be watching more videos on this channel.
At the age of 77 with age finally beginning to catch up to my body, I am still of a sound mind, so I reluctantly agreed to head up our church security. That does cause me to occasionally question the idea of a sound mind though. I am a subscriber and I appreciate so much what you do. I must disagree on one rather minor point though. I spent much of my life doing prison and street ministry in some rough places, but when the economy got so bad, I actually went to work as an officer (later sergeant) at a new close custody prison. I thought I would be there for a few short years, but ended up retiring after 11 years at the age of 67. I purposed that I would not resort to using profanity except where necessary to repeat something I heard, or in writing a report. In a sense i was challenged by a sergeant who was conducting my very first orientation class. He said, “If you don’t like hearing or using profanity, this is probably the not the job for you. I raised my hand and politely said, “I will use it only when necessary, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.” Now could I have let one slip at some heated moment in those 11 years? Not that I know of, but it is possible. I did use strong enough tone that an uncooperative inmate thought he had been cussed out though. What I observed there and in many police videos I have watched on video is that most offenders are so used to cursing and being cursed, that they don’t even notice it. That doesn’t make me any better than anyone else, but I really haven’t seen that it is as effective as most law enforcement officers seem to think.
Some people would freak out because you unholstered your weapon, but you were 100% safe the entire demonstration; your index finger never entered the trigger guard/well. Bravo and blessings to you and your family.
@12:48 the cop arrived, jumped out and left his car door wide open. Close the door and lock it! It takes half a second and prevents the fairly common scenario where someone jumps into the police car or grabs a gun out of it.
It's not just a mental illness... he needs deliverance.. I pray he's with Jesus Christ now.. I hope that deep down in his heart, he knows what the real truth is..🙏👑✝️💯♥️🕊🙌😪
I was thinking the very same thing you mentioned . . . let him in the building then call the cops and let them deal with him. It's just a building! This young man sounds like he suffers from delusional thought and grandiose thinking. He also sounds like someone who may be battling schizophrenia but has had no type of intervention, unfortunately. It's best to just agree then let the cops and medics come and help him. Unfortunately, there are many cops who don't know how to deal with mental illness. They treat the person like a regular criminal instead of actually trying to get them the help they need.
How does someone using a camera makes you angry? That’s a bold statement to say that when it’s the same camera that put some of you guys in jail after lying about a shooting or planting drugs or guys on people , thank god for camera to hold some of you guys accountable. That’s one of many things that’s have change how things have been in the past 10-15 years cameras helping folks hold you guys accountable.
He should have quit recording, called 911, and backed out!! I agree with you on the "he had his hands up" lame excuse! It is coming from people with a smooth brain! It is just unbelievable that people think that someone advancing with hands up is not a threat!
I have had training in unarmed defense vs an armed attacker in two separate martial arts. That hands up stance is the precursor to almost all disarming moves. Advancing on someone who is armed is a very threatening posture in itself that says they are not rational. The fear of the gun is not present. They will not respond rationally. Add that and the hands up in a very good position to attack a person with a gun and this is clearly an extreme threat being posed here. Not to mention, someone who is going to advance vs an armed person, very likely will not be stopped with just one shot, and at that range is in side the critical threat range. Could be on drugs who knows what...
It's absolutely insane that we live in a day and age where people are getting shot or experiencing violence at church....that being said tho....dude was definitely off his rocker.
It's coming bro. This is the enemy's left and right playing out. The Father's left and right is clear - you are either on His left and doomed for judgment, or reigning with Christ at his right hand. When Peter used his blade - Jesus said those who draw the sword will die by the sword. There are layers of meaning to that statement - but certainly the prince of peace was not telling us to use deadly force to guard ourselves. Certainly not with our OWN hands and of our OWN will.
Time index 9:47. When the guy who thinks he's god went to try the doors the guy with dementia had a perfect opportunity to move away "to safty" and avoid further confrontation. He could have gotten in his car and driven away and reported to the nearest police officer what was going on. Instead he stayed, maneuvered yet again so that his back was against the wall and CHOSE to remain in the confrontation. Anything and everything that happens after this point is by consent of the person doing the filming. One can only claim self-defense when "there is a clear eminent and otherwise unavoidable threat of death or severe bodily harm." Here is where he chose to ignore an obvious opening to avoid further confrontation and bodily harm. Here is where the shooting that comes later in the video becomes an act of murder. He could have avoided both dying and killing had he left at this point.
Awesome video many thanks. I to work Security voluntarily at our church. I don’t read well, but these videos are so much help but one question I do have been in California if you see a situation like this or similar and get out to help they claim you’re the aggressive, and the bad person is the victim, how do you deal with that? Again, many thanks and will always be watching.
Not to disagree with any of your points. However, in New York state you have not only a duty but the government wants you to have a legal obligation to have no ability to defend or protect your self others or property. You have a legal obligation to retreat and give the criminals full access to your property. If you defend, you will most likely be arrested and charged with felonies. D. Penny in NYC is a perfect example, as well as the old Bodega owner who was attacked and fought back and killed the criminal. The shopkeeper was then charged with murder. Or the woman who was arrested after changing the locks on her mother's house after having Squatters removed. The only thing you have a right to in NY is to be a victim of the lawless criminal protected class.
The homeless guy is talking like he is God (a lot of folks see this as Mental illness - and most cases that's what it is - but a lot are also under a form of Demonic oppression) so you have to be careful in what is said His stance did become threatening when he demanded entrance and threatened harm ... the more he talks on the more you can see his belief growing that he has the right 'as a god' to inflict his will, to do as he demands. Our pastor awhile back had allowed a homeless man to camp outside our church doors, and to use the restrooms when he wanted. Then others started joining him, and trash being left on the church grounds. Members did not feel safe (it was a very small church). Anyway the pastor finally confronted him and 2 others - and a personality change took place once the homeless guy seen he was being asked to leave. (The pastor led a pretty sheltered life) Anyway this homeless guy got pretty aggressive and very angry ... and cussed the pastor out. I do not know if the Pastor confronted him alone (which was not wise either) the police did have to be called ... this is in Oregon. "Get down on the ground - do not move or I will shoot you" You never know who truly has a will to live, and who is wanting someone to kill them ... if they have no hope they are more dangerous and unpredictable in dealing with.
You mentioned the initial victim was an older man, and the perpetrator was obviously young and looked quite fit. I sure I would be reluctant to turn my back and try running away from the perp with a rock in his hand. The older victim was caught between a rock and a hard place - the perp’s rock and the church.
Ex law enforcement here. I took course "Surviving Edged Weapons" I learned that a perp at 20 ft from YOU can close that distance in LESS THAN 2 seconds TWO SECONDS !!!! Think about that. He has a knife, or just wants to harm you, he's 20 ft away, he rushes you, you must react in less than 2 seconds. This cat got way too close for my comfort whether he was without a weapon or not. You don't know who your dealing with, especially some one who appears as "fit" as this attacker does. Something to think about !
The guy recording said “The guy who was beating on this other guy, I saw him out here earlier “ If only he had a phone and could have called before the guy got shot 🤔
Hey Christian warrior I want you to look into this a little bit more but supposedly TH-cam is going to need people to purchase super chats in order to get your video out further. I have heard this from Steve RAM and I've heard it from a couple of others. That is what I was told and other people were told so I'm not sure if it's true but I do trust the person who gave this information. Thank you very much for posting these videos you are an amazing gentleman and most of all you are my Christian brother😊
I'm no expert at anything, but a few years ago at work I did have to deal regularly with a gentleman who displayed some very similar behaviors and themes as the young man in this video. Now my gentleman never escalated to this pitch, or became overtly physically threatening, but he was insistent enough to make people intensely uncomfortable. It seems like someone in this state of mind is looking for a convert or a confrontation. You don't want to give him either. For me, polite but non-committal answers worked well to disengage him. Responding with phrases like "Oh, I see", or "I'll have to think about that", gave him the sense of being listened to, but didn't invite more engagement. Showing more interest and asking for deeper explanations would have made it harder to detach. And arguing would have been pointless at best, or brought on a scene like this one at worst. One thing to keep in mind about this situation- the man with the gun didn't have any knowledge of what happened before he came on to the scene, or the aggressor's state of mind. He just saw a larger, younger man beating an older man up. Given that, coming out with his gun drawn seems logical. As it turned out, that made the shooting inevitable, but he had no way of knowing that.
I can't believe dude just stood there recording that whole time...then dude picks up a giant rock and he's still just standing there, not even saying anything. Just recording. Insane. Good vid. Tossed you a sub.
@@Jellybelly008 Most lawyers will tell you to only use deadly force to stop a threat when it is absolutely unavoidable. That's because even with the best lawyers if you get a bad jury you could still be convicted. I have USCCA legal defense insurance. Their training videos are the best. The shooter in this incident was being advanced on by a stronger assailant. But I would not have intervened without first calling the police. The guy was not charged. But it could have gone the other way. I saw video on another site where the assailant had stopped beating the old man with dementia. That was the point where the police could have intervened. If the shooter had called the police before driving over, the whole shooting scene might have been avoided. The shooter in this case had USCCA legal defense. Unfortunately, that does not prevent the shooter from being sued in civil court.
Had a knife pulled on me before. Close quarters couldn't swiftly get off the X. Put my hands up and demonstrated compliance that merged into a 1 2 that dropped him. I got charged for assault. He got charged for disorderly conduct. NY State for you.
Hands up is only a surrender gesture if you stop advancing.
Yep. In combatives such as Sambo or Krav Maga you actually have your hands up quite a bit, although admittedly angled more forward than the guy in this video had. Anyway, point being is that you are entirely correct: people who think that someone is not a potential threat simply because that someone has their hands raised and/or open are simply showing their ignorance of how actual physical altercations take place.
Hands up is a form of submitting because it shows your not holding a weapon or going for your weapon. In this case he put hands up to try and get close for an attack. Sort of like a trick. Probably heard that hands up don't shoot crap and thought it would work.
"@2ndarymotion Hands up is only a surrender gesture if you stop advancing." Hands up is to show you have no weapon and legally you cannot shoot no matter what direction he is going. Remember he lives in the parking lot. That is his home. Was...
@@chadmills5400There is no law that says what you claim. If someone is approaching you in a threatening manner and you have a legitimate fear for your safety or someone else's safety, you're legally allowed to stop the threat. A jury would find it totally plausible he was intending to disarm the defender and use his weapon against him. Unfortunate situation, but 100% a clean self defense shooting.
@@chadmills5400 WRONG. Run along...
Thanks. Unfortunately, when I looked into security for my church, they said no pepper spray, no taser, no firearm. I politely declined and will find a safer church. California no surprise.
That’s so dangerous! You’re fortunate you have the 2nd Amendment in the States. I’m in Canada and we’re not permitted armed security. I think we need to do what we need to do to protect lives.
I hear what you are saying, but your church still needs a team to walk the parking lot and greet people at the door ...this alone can save lives potentially
Extra eyes and ears....if you are in law enforcement, they can't stop you from carrying off duty
@@robpickett288 As a veteran, I will not go to a potential knife or gun fight unarmed. Gideon didn't go unarmed and neither will I.
@DeltaLimaActual-t2o I guess I'm blessed...my pastor allows our safety team to carry and we had more guys go get their CCW permits than we have cops...I will keep you in my prayers that you find a good church that has a legit safety team🙏🏼
Disparity of Age + disparity of level of physical fitness + disparity from reality = disparity of force.
I'm new to this. I just moved out a liberal state and got my opened carry license. There is so much to learn. I truly enjoy watching your content and advice. Thank you very much, God bless.
I’m a firearm instructor here in Texas if you have any questions reach out I promise you the firearm community especially here on TH-cam is full of a lot of very knowledgeable people! Remember no question asked is a stupid one
His hands are up, but he is not retreating, and he is still showing signs of aggression. In addition, him having his hands up gives him an advantage at the time of attack because he doesn't have to take the time to raise them. Consider that dudes hands as weapons.
I’m retired LEO everything your teaching is on point. I’ll be contacting you about my church security training
You are a retired leo and I am Mary Queen of Scots
@@paneofrealitychannel8204What 😂
The guy sped up his advance... he left the officer no option. I'm well trained too, but now I'm an older man, I can't fight as hard, nor would I try in this situation. The hands up was being used to make the officer hesitate... I'm glad he didn't.
Hands up while continuing to approach me isn't exactly a sign of "surrender".
With that said, this person is clearly having a psychotic episode so he wasn't going to think logically when it comes to not being afraid of a gun pointed at you. Overalls sad situation.
Fruits, Nuts and Flakes abound...every church needs a security team...it's COMMON SENSE!
I just stumbled upon your channel, and thank God that I did.
I’m an armed security guard at a university, served 9 years in the Marines, and I’m also a student at the very same university.
I’m 42 years old.
I lift at the university’s gym 4x a week. I run a 5k after every workout.
I strive to give myself as many options as possible so that when times get tough pulling my firearm and taking a life will always and ever only be a last resort.
I’m on the right path and I’m exercising good practices. Your channel has reaffirmed it as such.
Im really surprised that the older gentleman wasn't on the phone with 911 after the first 30 seconds of contact with this guy.
100% This is what will probably crush him or the defender in court if the DA wants to pursue it... He escalated by intervening to prevent property damage instead of calling the police. Then when it escalated further, someone came and pulls a firearm for an altercation that the old man himself started by not just calling the police over some property damage..
@@slyguy8943 for someone that wasn’t there, you sure seem to know a lot about what happened. It’s a lot different armchair quarterbacking online than it is when you’re actually in the situation. I can tell you’ve never been in a life-threatening or even threatening situation before in your life.
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete imbecilic take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY.
This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police.
It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building..
I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life.
This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police.
Now someone is dead. Sit down clown.
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete nonsense take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY.
This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police.
It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building..
I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life.
This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police.
Now someone is dead. Sit down.🤡
@@CitizenCarrier What a complete NONSENSE take. The event was recorded BY THE OLD MAN who INSERTED HIMSELF INTO THE SITUATION WITHOUT ANY NECESSITY.
This is OBVIOUSLY petty criminal breaking and entering and it ended with the death of a young mentally ill person all because old man couldn't control his ego and just stay back and call the police.
It's a BUILDING. It can be fixed or replaced. That young mans life can never be replaced. The church is EMPTY, there is no one inside in need of ANY protection. There is NO REASON for the old man or ANYONE to physically involve them self to stop someone from breaking a door to get into an empty building..
I can tell you've never been in a situation where you have to exercise logic and critical thinking before in your life.
This entire situation was completely avoidable from start to finish and anyone with some common sense can see that clear as day. The old man had MULTIPLE opportunities to just retreat and call the police.
Now someone is dead. Sit down. 🤡
My most memorable "talk down" of an escalation was an ex-cop and his wife who'd been fighting, kicked over a honey-bucket and had been rolling in it. When I got there (my partner was out of the game, that's a whole different facet to this story) he was bowed up and ready to fight and made it clear there was no way I was going to take him to jail. 45 minutes later I was able to hand him my handcuffs, he put them on himself and walked to the van and got in. At the jail he walked in. I didn't have to touch him at ALL. I asked the jail staff to sanitize my cuffs before I came back for them and went to hose/scrub out the back of the van (it's what our department used for patrol vehicles, cargo vans).
The rest of that story was the wife asked for an ambulance, I requested one. When the ambulance crew acknowledged the call, I suggested to them to bring the OLD unit, and was "put in my place" since they don't answer to me. LOL Everyone wanted to be seen driving the NEW ambulance on a call. When they got there, I pointed to their patient (covered head to toe in feces/urine) and suggested that I may've had a REASON for my suggestion, knowing they were going to have to sanitize the entire ambulance when they got back to the Fire Station. They pulled into the Fire Station as I was leaving, having hosed/scrubbed my van already.
That was 1984, to this day I remember the names of that husband/wife who were fighting. LOL
Yep they ALWAYS take the MAN away and let her off scot-free.
It must be Ken and Karen or ken and Barbie.
@@crazysquirrel9425 No, not ALWAYS. The Alaska statutes mandate that on domestic violence, SOMEONE must go to jail. If it was mutual combatants, I took them BOTH to jail. There were times I took the woman to jail and NOT the man.
Old school cops could handle situations without having to murder civilians. Policing has changed quite a bit. I'd take 1 of you 'older' cops over 10,000 current cops.
@@Sercer25 I got cops in my family. The old guys brag about bagging felons. The young guys brag about teaching a lesson to anybody to pisses them off. Things are definitely different. I have huge fingers crossed with the new president.
I know you don't want to depend on a politician to fix problems but the last one really sent the message to cops loud and clear that they aren't here to protect our best interests, but the politicians and the deep state's interests. If you arrest George Floyd, you go to jail and get killed. If you arrest a white christian for asserting his 4th amendment and retaining his I.D. when you don't like the cut of his jib.......get a promotion!
This president's attitude is a little less Marxists to say the least so here's to hoping.
Hands up in this situation is more dangerous than hands down, especially with him being WELL within the 21 ft danger zone.
Sure but the CPL holder put himself in that range. Why didnt he call 911 at least prior to approaching. Depending on the state that may not be self defense unless its a stand your ground state.
Thanks Keith!
Your last words are so important to this video. I often don’t carry because I’m lazy or I feel I don’t need to. The truth is I always need to carry.
I was a security guard at my church for 14 years and the city that our church was in had a mental hospital so we had to deal with a few people that were mentally unstable, but fortunately we didn't have any bad incidents. Here's where a lot of people get mixed up, they ask, "Doesn't one of the ten commandment say " Thou shall not kill?" Yes, but the proper translation should be, Thou shall not murder. That is a huge difference between murdering someone and protecting yourself,your family or an innocent bystander.
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.V3. A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up. Also read the 13th chapter of Romans because it is talking about the law God has given the authority that is given to law enforcement persons. My ministry has been to men in jail for at least 10 years and I've have told these prisoners, you have to respect the law because God has ordained it and he has given any law enforcement personal the right to use deadly force if necessary. Romans13:4 For he (officer of the law) is the minister of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the sword (a weapon) in vain: For he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that does evil.
Mental illness is serious 😒 it's a shame people suffer from it and it overflows onto others. Thank you for sharing.
is it mental illnesses ? drug abuse ?
......or demon possession ?
@unitedstatesirie7431 first two tend to go hand in hand, last one is a philosophical interpretation
The suspect was approaching with a textbook gun takeaway technique. Raise your hands at shoulder height, move close enough to reach out, and say a distraction phrase. "What do you want me to do?" It's takes the person who is holding the gun a split second to think, causing the distraction long enough to attempt the takeaway.
Do you legitimately believe that this guy's intention was to attempt to disarm the shooter and that even so it would be in any way reasonable to assume he would succeed? With a comment that ridiculous you sound more like the guy who got shot that someone whose thinking with a straight head on their shoulders.
@sango_wilko851 You would bet your life he wouldn't fight for the gun. Granted I wouldn't put myself in this position and I would use other force option such as a front kick, however; if that didn't work there comes a point where you have to realize the situation you are in. This is a deadly force encounter because a gun was brought to the fight. My comment was to the very second that the decision was made to use deadly force. I wouldn't take a chance with someone walking toward me, knowing we would be in a fight for the gun. Right or wrong, it's for the courts to decide. I pray you are never in that situation where you have to make that choice. God bless.
@@g1942transientI think that if you are willing to make a decision to use deadly force based on a hypothetical scenario of something someone could do which would present a deadly threat and not on them actually presenting that threat than the only thing you are betting with is your soul.
To the point of the guy using his phone to video instead of calling. He even admitted that he saw this guy beating up on the old man, he should have called the police at that point.
His utterances sounds like a blend ancient knowledge with contemporary culture. When he said ‘I have overtaken you’ was especially revealing as to his state of mind. The ‘voices’. No one really saw these things before that cops have been seeing for years. Wow.
I hope your “STOP” article goes viral. Excellent video. Thank you 🙏 GBY
Huge red flag that he repeatedly kept lapsing into first person, as if he was actually God.
@@LibertysetsquareJack Clearly a paranoid schizo, Jesus/messiah complex is quite common with these people... Cops see this ALL THE TIME... trust me, it's common.
This is just a common topic that psychotic individuals talk about
You’re completely right the fact that he has a gun drawn on him and he’s still advancing towards him shows that he is a complete threat
Thanks Keith.
I was recently involved in a self-defense situation involving edged weapons where I called 911 at the first sign of trouble. Unfortunately, I had no escape option and was attacked before first responders could arrive. By the grace of God, I was able to disarm the individual before either of us were seriously injured or killed in the physical grappling that followed. Once the attacker was disarmed, I physically maintained a defensive position until police arrived. The assailant was arrested and taken to Jail.
Your training tips are invaluable and I can't thank you enough for sharing your expertise with us. God bless you.
So the assailant still in jail or released already?
Can you please please describe exactly how it happened?? I love hearing these kinds of stories and you could give us some lessons learned. I don't know you but I'm glad to hear you are safe👍.
_TH-cam won't allow me to talk about God's will for us to stay armed._
Pray to the one and only true God in heaven and He will make a way when there is no way.
The longer your message, the higher the probability of the censorship script false flagging your post.
Keeps censoring real logic
@@j.l.salayao8055 There's nobody up there, and you have to figure things out for yourself.
@@slappy8941 There are 8 billion people on earth. That's 8 billion definitions of God. You don't know my definition of God. You only know YOUR definition of God. Which is why you walk without God. The origin of all life, _is_ God. You came from the same source, as all humanity. We exist, therefore something caused that. Cause & effect. It's physics.
Well put Keith. As a street chaplain in Queensland Australia i have learnt alot from your channel about my safety and that of my team and there are still many homeless people i would never turn my back on. I have also come across so many mentally ill street people who know scripture inside out and use that scripture as a weapon towards me in the hope that i will argue with them. Up to this point the Lord has had my back and given me the words and means to de-escalate situations, i am a licenced firearms owner but here in Australia we are not allowed to conceal carry. I also get many other Christians who admonish me for owning firearms, sad but true.
God bless you and yours Keith and keep up the good work of teaching Christians how to stand up for our communities.
Bryan M.
Man of Faith Ministry 🇦🇺
P.S. Churches here in Australia seem to have the illusion that nothing will happen in their church. Complacency allows evil to fester and i talk to many pastors trying to tell them to get even a token secrity team trained but to no avail. Even after the attack of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel they still will not realise the danger of satan getting desperate. ✝️🙏🏼🛐❤️🔥
God Bless you! My church decided to disband our security team and the individual who was our board representative basically called us thugs. They said having a visible security team was unfriendly and un inviting. Before they disbanded the security team, this same representative wanted only one person alone working security. It was not safe. Those of us on the security team were former LEO’s and trained combat Military retirees and military medics and at least two of us are CA DOJ certified Firearms instructors. There final excuse for disbanding the team was that security wasn’t necessary because incidents are so rare that there was nothing to worry about and that we just needed to have faith.
Needless to say we are looking for another church who takes the security of the congregation seriously. I pray to God they are right and nothing happens to them. Thank you for the training that you share. I also would have added that having a less than lethal option is important too. Pepper spray or tear gas or even a taser would give you another option as they can be deployed at a distance if someone is advancing on you. I always have those options available to me before having to escalate.
P.S. I would have been on 911 while I was driving over to intervene.
This is great teaching. Im a commissioned security guard. I hold security on a health clinic and it's in the ghetto. Prior i worked corrections for almost 10 years. I used a lot of the tactics you discussed. Thank you for what you do. God bless.
The "you are leaving here in an ambulance if we fight" statement has worked for me as well. Being ready for a fight is a good way to avoid one. So learn to be ready!
One I've used in the past...' If this escalates, you're gonna need an attorney and an ambulance. '
All solid advice, spot-on tactics. It is crucially important to distinguish the role, abilities, and responsibilities between the armed citizen, security, and law enforcement. This man knows his stuff = subscribed.
I stumbled on this channel. Thank you for your advice. I am 70 and a part of our armed security team at our church. It is sad that we have to worry about this stuff at church.
Thanks again Keith. So valuable. Prayers for all involved in this tragic encounter.
showing the scenario and speaking through this constructively is SO helpful for the unskilled and uninformed.
The way he's talking, he sounds more possessed than anything. Proclaiming himself to be God and talking on His behalf.
He sounded like he was prophesying, but clearly confused. He had biblical knowledge but was distorting it.
@@troytafel3797Distorting it: For God is not the author of confusion. 👍💪❤️🙏🏼
@@scottheld4837 OK I get what you are saying, no this man was clearly delusional, confused... This man may have been demon possessed or influenced, as the first commenter alludes to. Satan and his minions clearly know the scripture as well or if not better than most run of the mill Sunday go to meeting casual Christians. I have several classmates from Bible College who have served many years in areas where demonic possession, Satan worship,,, are prevalent. What the attacker was spewing was similar to what I have heard these same friends of mine state time and time again of encounters with demonic forces and the people controlled by them. I also agree with you God is not the author of confusion, Satan is, he is the Father of lies which is kind of what the dialog from the attacker sounds like isn't it? Either way you look at it, this is just about as sad as it gets.
Clear demonic influence. This was as much a spiritual battle as physical.
That is not "Possession", Good thing it's not the middle ages, You would have been burning women at the stake as witches, this guy is most likely Schizophrenic and also likely knew the bible inside out, Do you?
I have a brother that has behaved just like this and he became a Christian about a year before coming down with signs of Schizophrenia at around the age of 18 and I had to deal with several incidences very similar to this over the years with my brother, he is now in his mid 40's and had to finally be put on a shot that last about 3 months, and you don't have to deal with the issues that most people deal with that are on oral daily meds, is that they think they are all better and will stop taking their meds and will then have psychotic episodes, with this shot it is guaranteed that they are on their medication at all times..
Another key factor is having police that are actually trained to deal with people with mental illnesses, after many episodes with my brother over the years, It got to the point where we could call the police and explain the situation and they knew who he was and they would actually send out officers trained to deal with people like this when possible that can deescalate the situation rather than aggravate it to where force is used.. Most police do the opposite of what one should when dealing with Schizophrenic's, "Confrontation" is the worst reaction to use with a schizophrenic, it only makes things worse.. I know this from years of personal experience and research..
It sucks that you have to blur it, I don't understand why some channels or videos show everything.
Interaction was allowed to go way too long without any attempt to move away or escape.
My dad and i lived in someone's basement when i was a teenager. This happened when i was 15. Their son-in-law was drunk and was using a ladder to gain entry into the house armed with a rifle. The daughter of the man called me and asked to convince him to leave. I grabbed a handgun and went out to talk him down. It took about 5 minutes, but he eventually came down and went home. I talked calmly with him to deescalate him.
You are such an awesome Man of God & a blessing for so many. 🙏🏿😇
Thanks!
thank you!
Thanks for sharing Keith!
Hindsight is always 20/20 but we never really know what we’ll do until we’re in that situation!
Great advice on avoiding argumentative language. I never considered that since most arguments I have seen or been in, one person is always verbally countering the other. But I just gotta say I cracked up when you said, "may I pray with you, and then don't close your eyes...." No offense, but it made my day!
@4:04 I was just about to fast forward! Weird, you got me.
Good analysis, good advice. Remember folks, just because you were doing the right things doesnt mean youre safe. Do not make any statements without an attorney present.
They started running public service announcements on my favorite AM radio station, to educate the public against just taking video at crime scenes. It encourages the public to call 911 and give accurate info to the police.
Excellent video training! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights on these tough moments that happen every day all over the world.
So he is all about truth and love, but then he attacks the guy? I'm thinking he is not about truth and love.
Thanks for pointing out warning signs and giving insights on how to defuse them in these videos! Hopefully it will help security team members to be proactive in controlling the situation for the best outcome.
Thanks Keith and God bless all
For the algorithm.
Excellent break down of the situation, what to do, what not do, safety steps etc. As a retired LEO, On Point! Sad to see it happen. I'm with you Keith, rather upset about the witness who would rather film than call 911 or help.
Thank you Keith for the tips and sharing these videos. God bless you 🙏🏻
Thanks for all your practical help. God bless!
Every night I talk to God, but He don't say nothing back
I know He protecting me, but I still stay with my gats!
What a scary situation. This is why it is important to play scenarios of all kinds in your mind or training. It’s easy to say or think I would have done this or wouldn’t do that however real life situations evolve differently.
Beautifully put. The book called tactics explain how to question people and no claims or anger.
John Correia teaches, "pepper spray is used between a harsh word and a gun" Where was the pepper spray?
He was going to church, do you expect for all to be armed to the teeth.
Pepper spray only works from a distance. You're supposed to use it from at least 10 ft because you can actually permanently blind someone up close. Not all security carry pepper spray it just really depends on the company but since this was a church security then it's up to the church
Good advice. I have experienced some crazy moments when I used to live in the Uk years ago, trying to keep a long story short, I was about 16 at the time. I was walking around the downtown area after watching a late movie at the cinema with some friends. We rounded a corner to see a verbal argument between some guys. It was 3 men vs. 5 younger guys (like early20s). So the verbal exchange escalated fast into a fight and was chaotic. That's when one of the guys pulled a knife and started stabbing one of the three men. He was being stabbed in his back. He started to fall like his body shut down when being stabbed while standing. Like a tree going down, probably passed out from shock of something, the mans head hit the floor and sounded like a coconut bounce. Then, the 5 guys scattered and ran. Ran in our direction and round the corner we approached from. All was caught on cctv. The police were on scene after them about a minute after they ran. Was a crazy moment. I tried to keep it as short as possible. But in times like this, when dealing with possible violence, you need to be smart. And get training from experienced people. I have another similar story, but not ending with a serious stabbing. Btw the guy survived. I will tell that story if anyone else is interested, let me know.. great video, I will be watching more videos on this channel.
At the age of 77 with age finally beginning to catch up to my body, I am still of a sound mind, so I reluctantly agreed to head up our church security. That does cause me to occasionally question the idea of a sound mind though. I am a subscriber and I appreciate so much what you do. I must disagree on one rather minor point though.
I spent much of my life doing prison and street ministry in some rough places, but when the economy got so bad, I actually went to work as an officer (later sergeant) at a new close custody prison. I thought I would be there for a few short years, but ended up retiring after 11 years at the age of 67. I purposed that I would not resort to using profanity except where necessary to repeat something I heard, or in writing a report. In a sense i was challenged by a sergeant who was conducting my very first orientation class. He said, “If you don’t like hearing or using profanity, this is probably the not the job for you. I raised my hand and politely said, “I will use it only when necessary, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.” Now could I have let one slip at some heated moment in those 11 years? Not that I know of, but it is possible. I did use strong enough tone that an uncooperative inmate thought he had been cussed out though. What I observed there and in many police videos I have watched on video is that most offenders are so used to cursing and being cursed, that they don’t even notice it. That doesn’t make me any better than anyone else, but I really haven’t seen that it is as effective as most law enforcement officers seem to think.
I was a prison chaplain in Florida for 4 years. I admire anyone who works as a correctional officer. It's a tough job.
Some people would freak out because you unholstered your weapon, but you were 100% safe the entire demonstration; your index finger never entered the trigger guard/well. Bravo and blessings to you and your family.
He wasn’t a cop. There is no lawful order. I don’t have to listen to another civilian trying to command me to do something.
1. trespassing on private property.
2. Committing a felony.
Good luck Jr. Hope you have your plot picked out.
@12:48 the cop arrived, jumped out and left his car door wide open. Close the door and lock it! It takes half a second and prevents the fairly common scenario where someone jumps into the police car or grabs a gun out of it.
It's not just a mental illness... he needs deliverance.. I pray he's with Jesus Christ now.. I hope that deep down in his heart, he knows what the real truth is..🙏👑✝️💯♥️🕊🙌😪
He’s in hell……he’s possessed
Praise the Lord brother. Thank you.
To all who know nothing about fighting. The first thing you are taught is to put your hands up. Need to protect your head from physical contact
The dog knew things were bad
Just because someone's hands are up does not mean they are surrendering. Let's not forget that your hands must also go up before you fight.
I was thinking the very same thing you mentioned . . . let him in the building then call the cops and let them deal with him. It's just a building! This young man sounds like he suffers from delusional thought and grandiose thinking. He also sounds like someone who may be battling schizophrenia but has had no type of intervention, unfortunately. It's best to just agree then let the cops and medics come and help him. Unfortunately, there are many cops who don't know how to deal with mental illness. They treat the person like a regular criminal instead of actually trying to get them the help they need.
Time 29.00. Folks, pls this is not about polity, doctrine, personalities etc: This is ONLY about saving lives, safety & security.
In California the shooter would be found guilty .
Sounds like he is possessed.
And even the sheep’s clothing is strangely represented
Religious ideations and grandiosity are very common with psychotic episodes. It's just unfortunate mental illness.
How does someone using a camera makes you angry? That’s a bold statement to say that when it’s the same camera that put some of you guys in jail after lying about a shooting or planting drugs or guys on people , thank god for camera to hold some of you guys accountable. That’s one of many things that’s have change how things have been in the past 10-15 years cameras helping folks hold you guys accountable.
He should have quit recording, called 911, and backed out!! I agree with you on the "he had his hands up" lame excuse! It is coming from people with a smooth brain! It is just unbelievable that people think that someone advancing with hands up is not a threat!
I have had training in unarmed defense vs an armed attacker in two separate martial arts. That hands up stance is the precursor to almost all disarming moves. Advancing on someone who is armed is a very threatening posture in itself that says they are not rational. The fear of the gun is not present. They will not respond rationally. Add that and the hands up in a very good position to attack a person with a gun and this is clearly an extreme threat being posed here.
Not to mention, someone who is going to advance vs an armed person, very likely will not be stopped with just one shot, and at that range is in side the critical threat range. Could be on drugs who knows what...
It's absolutely insane that we live in a day and age where people are getting shot or experiencing violence at church....that being said tho....dude was definitely off his rocker.
It's coming bro. This is the enemy's left and right playing out. The Father's left and right is clear - you are either on His left and doomed for judgment, or reigning with Christ at his right hand.
When Peter used his blade - Jesus said those who draw the sword will die by the sword. There are layers of meaning to that statement - but certainly the prince of peace was not telling us to use deadly force to guard ourselves. Certainly not with our OWN hands and of our OWN will.
Thanks Keith for everything you put out for us
There are some people that you cannot reason with. Either they're mental or too enraged to listen.
Time index 9:47.
When the guy who thinks he's god went to try the doors the guy with dementia had a perfect opportunity to move away "to safty" and avoid further confrontation.
He could have gotten in his car and driven away and reported to the nearest police officer what was going on.
Instead he stayed, maneuvered yet again so that his back was against the wall and CHOSE to remain in the confrontation.
Anything and everything that happens after this point is by consent of the person doing the filming.
One can only claim self-defense when "there is a clear eminent and otherwise unavoidable threat of death or severe bodily harm."
Here is where he chose to ignore an obvious opening to avoid further confrontation and bodily harm.
Here is where the shooting that comes later in the video becomes an act of murder.
He could have avoided both dying and killing had he left at this point.
Awesome video many thanks. I to work Security voluntarily at our church. I don’t read well, but these videos are so much help but one question I do have been in California if you see a situation like this or similar and get out to help they claim you’re the aggressive, and the bad person is the victim, how do you deal with that? Again, many thanks and will always be watching.
A suggestion: Play the video all the way through... and THEN go through and talk about your area of expertise.
Dude found a bathrob and thought it turned him in to a prophet.
Not to disagree with any of your points. However, in New York state you have not only a duty but the government wants you to have a legal obligation to have no ability to defend or protect your self others or property.
You have a legal obligation to retreat and give the criminals full access to your property. If you defend, you will most likely be arrested and charged with felonies. D. Penny in NYC is a perfect example, as well as the old Bodega owner who was attacked and fought back and killed the criminal. The shopkeeper was then charged with murder. Or the woman who was arrested after changing the locks on her mother's house after having Squatters removed. The only thing you have a right to in NY is to be a victim of the lawless criminal protected class.
Another home run presentation Brother.
Praying for you, your health, your family, and your ministry.
The homeless guy is talking like he is God (a lot of folks see this as Mental illness - and most cases that's what it is - but a lot are also under a form of Demonic oppression) so you have to be careful in what is said
His stance did become threatening when he demanded entrance and threatened harm ... the more he talks on the more you can see his belief growing that he has the right 'as a god' to inflict his will, to do as he demands.
Our pastor awhile back had allowed a homeless man to camp outside our church doors, and to use the restrooms when he wanted. Then others started joining him, and trash being left on the church grounds.
Members did not feel safe (it was a very small church).
Anyway the pastor finally confronted him and 2 others - and a personality change took place once the homeless guy seen he was being asked to leave.
(The pastor led a pretty sheltered life)
Anyway this homeless guy got pretty aggressive and very angry ... and cussed the pastor out. I do not know if the Pastor confronted him alone (which was not wise either) the police did have to be called ... this is in Oregon.
"Get down on the ground - do not move or I will shoot you"
You never know who truly has a will to live, and who is wanting someone to kill them ... if they have no hope they are more dangerous and unpredictable in dealing with.
Great example of why having a spray of some sort is valuable in any security capacity.
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All students, report for class.
The Angel of the Lord encamps near those who are righteous. Praise Jesus Christ in his precious and holy name our true Lord and saviour, Amen✝❤
At what point was one of the two good guys going to call 911 and report an assault in progress?
Great video. Thank you. This is the best channel for advice avail anywhere right now.
You mentioned the initial victim was an older man, and the perpetrator was obviously young and looked quite fit. I sure I would be reluctant to turn my back and try running away from the perp with a rock in his hand. The older victim was caught between a rock and a hard place - the perp’s rock and the church.
Ex law enforcement here. I took course "Surviving Edged Weapons" I learned that a perp at 20 ft from YOU can close that distance in LESS THAN 2 seconds TWO SECONDS !!!!
Think about that. He has a knife, or just wants to harm you, he's 20 ft away, he rushes you, you must react in less than 2 seconds. This cat got way too close for my comfort whether he was without a weapon or not. You don't know who your dealing with, especially some one who appears as "fit" as this attacker does. Something to think about !
Thanks
The guy recording said “The guy who was beating on this other guy, I saw him out here earlier “ If only he had a phone and could have called before the guy got shot 🤔
Thank you!
Hey Christian warrior I want you to look into this a little bit more but supposedly TH-cam is going to need people to purchase super chats in order to get your video out further. I have heard this from Steve RAM and I've heard it from a couple of others. That is what I was told and other people were told so I'm not sure if it's true but I do trust the person who gave this information. Thank you very much for posting these videos you are an amazing gentleman and most of all you are my Christian brother😊
Wonderful content
I'm no expert at anything, but a few years ago at work I did have to deal regularly with a gentleman who displayed some very similar behaviors and themes as the young man in this video. Now my gentleman never escalated to this pitch, or became overtly physically threatening, but he was insistent enough to make people intensely uncomfortable. It seems like someone in this state of mind is looking for a convert or a confrontation. You don't want to give him either. For me, polite but non-committal answers worked well to disengage him. Responding with phrases like "Oh, I see", or "I'll have to think about that", gave him the sense of being listened to, but didn't invite more engagement. Showing more interest and asking for deeper explanations would have made it harder to detach. And arguing would have been pointless at best, or brought on a scene like this one at worst.
One thing to keep in mind about this situation- the man with the gun didn't have any knowledge of what happened before he came on to the scene, or the aggressor's state of mind. He just saw a larger, younger man beating an older man up. Given that, coming out with his gun drawn seems logical. As it turned out, that made the shooting inevitable, but he had no way of knowing that.
GOD-BLESS YOU Keith
I can't believe dude just stood there recording that whole time...then dude picks up a giant rock and he's still just standing there, not even saying anything. Just recording. Insane.
Good vid. Tossed you a sub.
Shame on the guy with the dog for seeing the assault earlier and not helping
Yes, the shooting might have been prevented if the guy with the dog had called the police first.
Followed by some witless commentary and ignorance of assault and self-defense laws.
@@Jellybelly008 Most lawyers will tell you to only use deadly force to stop a threat when it is absolutely unavoidable. That's because even with the best lawyers if you get a bad jury you could still be convicted. I have USCCA legal defense insurance. Their training videos are the best. The shooter in this incident was being advanced on by a stronger assailant. But I would not have intervened without first calling the police. The guy was not charged. But it could have gone the other way. I saw video on another site where the assailant had stopped beating the old man with dementia. That was the point where the police could have intervened. If the shooter had called the police before driving over, the whole shooting scene might have been avoided. The shooter in this case had USCCA legal defense. Unfortunately, that does not prevent the shooter from being sued in civil court.
Great info currently reside in Indiana, and attend Traders point Christian Church. Thank you so much for the info.
Very helpful - thank you.
Had a knife pulled on me before. Close quarters couldn't swiftly get off the X. Put my hands up and demonstrated compliance that merged into a 1 2 that dropped him. I got charged for assault. He got charged for disorderly conduct. NY State for you.
TKS for the info