One of the best features of your Faderport 8 to mention is that you can use the blue rotary knob to control whatever the mouse is hovering over in Studio One. So you have your physical knob to control any parameter by simply hovering over it with the mouse.
I believe in using the best tool for the job. So I used to Track in Protools, Compose in Ableton, Mix in Mixbus 32c and Print with Triumph. Now I do everything in Studio One. With the Console 1 and Faderport 8 it's the best workflow I've ever used!
Great video. Been toying with the Console one and Faderport and just switching over to Studio One now. (you've already shown me a few tricks I wasn't aware of). The new UAD integration with Console 1 also now makes it even more useable/tempting. Anyway man, keep the videos coming. Very useful and like your honest and non hyped delivery.
Thanks, I have the same experience with my Raven as you. Love the Raven, but it didn't give me the ease of control that I was hoping for. I'm going to try your set up, I think it'll be more what I'm looking for.
My setup is: Console1 + Faderport 1 and it works perfect! The Brittish Class A channelstrip for the Console 1 is my goto. My favorite channelstrip, by far! Sound so fat :) Highly recommend!
hey sir u really know whats up help i have a motu ultralite hybrid usb 2 with a pc c440 i record at 192k sample rates but i can only track with couple plugins i was looking on buyin a new apollo twin black quad 4 sharcs an buy an imac 5 8 ram expandable and one terabyte fusion drive will it remove my latency proplems bro or what do u recommend i really want to switch also cus of the thunderbolt 2 available on the imac and new quad twin what imac do u got sir helllppp
Brian Stoltz the BCA just sounds amazing. I use the SSL 4000e on all my tracks and the BCA on all my busses. Because the BCA uses more CPU. But it is my favourite channel strip by far.
I like your videos man. I was on the fence with the Raven and didn't end up buying it because I came to the same conclusion you came to: nothing replaces real physical controls. I have an iPad and I don't find touching a glass screen any more satisfying than using my mouse. Hardware is hardware at the end of the day.
Appreciate your no.nonsense style..rekon your much more in tune with those of us that use this kit daily... im An old duffer who has decided that tactile is a must for mixing, its a cliche' but I want to feel more of what I'm doing, removing the visual stimulus of screens is my big project now..thanks from.london
THANKS VERY MUCH!! Seeing this with studio One (I am a cubase 9.5+ pro user - so quite close in many things) has me sold.You absolutely did the right thing. I just got a "little" UAD Twin Duo MKII so I have the plugin quality AND have taken pressure off my main cpu from my laptop in major ways .I think this is the way I will go. With the UAD Plugs - I feel the same way as you: With the exception of a couple of Softube (soon to be replaced with the UAD versions) - all my plugins on my machine are just becoming redundant. I am using them less and Less and Less as the UAD is so very far ahead sonically and emulation wise - I can imagine the Console 1 being exactly the same.
I live and die by my iPad for PT just to have something tactile. It works great for transport stuff and to do some quick adjustments while on the Sound Floor.
Like your choice of setup. i have almost the same approach to in the box mixing. console one and personus faderport ( the small one) . thinking of buying the new one like u. love to have more faders.
Literally the exact same journey for me, man. Just bought the faderport 8, but I may keep the raven as a soft synth controller. Makes instruments feel more hardware for sure being able to grab the GUI with both hands quickly.
was skeptic to the C1 but now i see its very usable. Huge difference with taktile tools. Even with my midi keyboard with knobs, it feels like im sitting moving faders on a big neve desk. Can play the volumes and feel how the volumes interact and get a scope of what sounds feels like at different volumes
I'm a raven user. I have the original mti. I get what you mean about wanting physical faders and knobs. At this point, I really don't think there is a perfect solution. I blame apple for not embracing touch screen technology on their OS. And it's so dumb too because they were the ones that launched smart phones and got us going in this direction in the first place. Studio One is definitely taking steps in the right direction with that, and windows in general is great with a touch screen. I like the idea of having physical knobs. They would definitely feel better and be more intuitive. I just think you are limited, or can't work as fast with the system you have, or working on an analog console. You either have to take the time to make the knobs/ faders control the parameter you want which slows you down, especially when you work with a lot of different plugins. Or, you have to limit yourself to always using the same plugins so you can have everything set up already and be fast. With a touch screen, you may not have physical faders, but in Studio One, I have thumbnails of all my favorite plugins in a list always open on the right side of the screen. And all I have to do is touch it and drag it over to the channel I want it on. And make adjustments. I like being able to get the sound I want the instant I imagine it without having to think about anything else. Everyone has their own preferences and what works best for them though I guess. I just feel like touch screens could be so much better if the software supported them better. As it is with the raven, the best solution I've found is customizing the buttons myself for the things I use most often.
Very good video. Very informative. I remember when we bought Steinberg Houston controller, it was an amazing hardware to control Cubase and Nuendo we have use that hardware for over eight or nine years.
Cool, I never thought I would like the Raven for that very reason, I like the hands-on mixing concept, the closer I am to that the better. great video man
Thank you Matty for this very informative video. You have confirmed what I have been concerned about as I contemplated some sort of touch screen setup, including the Raven. I am relatively new to recording engineering, and I am used to using just a mouse and keyboard shortcuts. But, I am a hands on worker. I need buttons and sliders to feel. I really dig the Softube Console 1, which I had not seen before this video. That and the FaderPort 8 is exactly what I think I need. Can't wait to try them.
I'm with you. LOVE Slate plugs but I owned the Raven MTI2 for about 6 hours. Trying to use it with Logic was not a good experience with overlays. SO I just went back to the standard mouse/keyboard.
Nice review dude you saved me tons of cash! Plus I read on the Steinberg forums that Slate Raven touch screens do not play well with Cubase and since I use Cubase for work, the issue is no go for me. If Steinberg ever fixes their issues with their software and touch screen interfaces, maybe I would get a used dual screen Slate Raven MTI2 unit but it is no go for me at this point due to compatibility issues on Windows 10 and Cubase.
Have you tried the faderport 8 in PT in HUI mode yet? Would be good if you get the chance to do a video on that. Don't want to spend the cash on a Eucon controller from Avid and the faderport 8 is like half the price of an Artist Mix but HUI protocol is quite limited unfortunately. I'm sure lots of people will do the same as you have done and switch from PT to another DAW. Avid not letting third party developers use Eucon protocol in their products really annoys me. Was much better when Digidesign owned PT, at least you could get m-audio products that fit so seamlessly into the software like the faderport8 in Studio 1. Liked this vid and subscribed to your channel.
Yes I have. It works pretty well. Not all the features as using with working with Studio one , but still useful for sure. I wish the console 1 worked in pro tools as well as it does in studio one though.
Richard Williams G'Day Mate. Did you get one? I'm afraid I am getting mine from Europe - tired of our Aussie dollar being worthless so we can sell more coal.
cool video just subscribed thanks man you helped me out,I was indecisive on getting a mix controller for my Studio one 3 pro studio was thinking about the raven but i saw this video last week and got the Faderport 8 its awesome! a couple more weeks hopefully I can afford the Counsel One,Thanks!!!
I'm glad I watched this video cuz I wanted to Raven and had a doubts on it and been looking at the console 1and been researching it and this video sold me on getting the console one thanks
I agree. Been thinking for awhile now that screens are killing the music and tiring me out. I also thought people buying the raven weren't being wise. It's too early and the screens aren't great yet. We need higher refresh rates and OLED or better. Never mind the response and accurracy needs to increase. Someday maybe. But still it's good to just use the ears first and last.
As an engineer I don't have the cash for an SSL which is still my dream console but Raven is cool, gives me everything I need and fast.I have no problems with it at all, and in fact the 'hover faders feature, beats SSL.I don't dig subscriptions services for software though.
Those big analog format consoles are acutally slowly fading away as you are starting see more like digital console these days or mixing entirely in the box but Chris-Lord-Alge lives by his SSL as he couldn't mix a Record with it. Dave Pensado and Adrew Scepts pretty much mix 100% in the box nowadays buy they do have a few outboard gear the the Neve pre amps and 1176 for hybrid mixing but that's about it.
Console one is cool, I think that If I did not own an avid S3 I would probably go for that. The SSL nucleus 2 is cool too but it runs on hui mode in pro tools and that has a limit of 4 faders and knobs when controlling plug ins. With the avid S3 you can have 16 encoders for eq and 16 encoders for dynamics and still have the faders for attenuation.
Great video. Glad to see you're enjoying the Console 1 and Faderport 8 combination. From my experience, touching the music usually gives better results. All the best in 2017.
I get so much more pleasure using the Push 2 for Ableton than the Raven Mti for the same reasons. Tactile response and not having to stare at the computer
This wouldn't apply to the Author because I don't run a powerhouse professional studio lol, but I actually had an old Zoom HD16 multi-track recorder(from when it was almost top of the line) that I just started incorporating in my home recording when my pre-amp died. I have a Maschine Mikro & Midi Keyboard but no controller, but now I use the Zoom HD16 as a pre-amp, mixer, D/I box, Drum Machine/metronome , a Sampler(I dont use,) EFFECT processor(has Grade A reverb, nothing else good) as a controller it gives me the Fader/EQ/Pan feel and kind of centralizes everything pre-and-post Audio Interface (I do use a better interface, A Presonus Studio 68) but im quite happy with it
muy cierto lo q dice de mirar menos a la pantalla y escuchar mas. aunque parece ser q la tendencia en los plugins es la contraria, fabfilter por ejemplo implementa analizadores en tiempo real y la rompe con algo q pareciera ser una innovacion. yo comparto la opinion de que entre menos se usen los ojos para mezclar, mas se usan los oidos.
That has always been my opinion on the slate raven... I just can't do it without the real touch of the fader... many times i like to close my eyes and fader ride when mixing and let the music guide me... i can't really do that on a screen. I suggested steve him to create a fader port already integrated with a monitor controller thing...
great video! i bought the raven V1 soon after its release. nothing but wasted time and money. i, too, love Slate's stuff and have the plugin subscription, but my list of problems with the Raven are longer than my arm! you made a great point i never thought of. even though you can multi touch the screen, you're still touching a screen...same as a mouse pretty much. i couldn't even get my bank selector to jump to the furtherest fader on the right...typically your 2bus and master fader(s). bah! after the novelty of touching a screen wore off, i was stuck with a $2500 slanted monitor. have you ever had a fly land on your screen and hit the record button? i have! more than once! thanks for the info on the Console 1. i'm not switching from Pro Tools and i heard some of the features don't work. you mentioned that. i think i can live with that. Faderport is news to me. I'm off to research. Thanks for your 2 cents!
Dope! I'm a fan of physical nobs and faders as a Record Producer. I'm not a fan of touch screens as it just doesn't feel authentic just like said as its still like using a mouse. Even as a Producer it takes a great ear to be a great Producer, knowning what sounds best as you want to focus on listening rather than visual distractions.
Interesting video. I'm currently thinking about adding a touch screen to my setup more for editing. I use the fader port and my mouse with Studio One. Did you feel the touch screen improved your editing speed or are you just as fast with the current setup with the bonus of having less screens and listening? I've always liked the concept of just listening while mixing but I'm yet to find a system which allows you to use your plugins and achieve this.
i just sold all my ravens as well im involved in a high end mixing studio and they just were not what we expexted cool concept but the ergonomics were bad and using with other plug ins it was a nightmare
can you do an in depth video of how you use your faderport 8 in a mix session with alot of tracks(14-50 tracks) sort of thing? also how to program plugins in and stuff like that!
You mentioned something about the Console 1 maybe not working as well in Pro Tools? Could you elaborate on that? I am loving the idea of the Console 1,.. and I just want to know as much about it, before buying.
I have the softtube setup actually 1x console1 and 2x fader but have a chance to get the raven desk on the cheap and want to combine them. maybe overkill
the Faderport 8 looks cool, just seeing that for the first time, i hope it's not a POS like Tascam's. I think they dropped motorized faders because they dont work worth a shit....at least not for Tascam. I like the idea of hardware, but it requires maintenance & money. much easier to go with a good DAW. the plugins are so good these days. expensive, so pick the right ones. thx for vid.
The problem (for me) that I see with your way of doing things... Faderport + Trackpad + Softube hardware - all different hardware feels and protocols - seems like confusing duplication.. I would rather have one main interface - and when I listen, look away. But interesting the way you do it.
I get that. I think it's all about finding what works best for you. That's all this video is about. My journey finding what worked. Just cause the slate didn't work for me doesn't mean it's not amazing for someone else. :)
Great points from someone who gets it's all about listening. As a musician I feel I can get lost forever looking st the DAW - using Logic now- but it's not always productive. Been looking at the Mackie universal controllers, let me know what youblot think of them...
Cool! Questions: Did you notice error and C1 stop working in Studio One, I read about a bug (what version C1 you using? Is it possible to have control of UAD plugins on anothwr monitor while using the knobs? I enjoy to see the emulation as graphics so I can imagine me being a rich hardware guy sometimes ;)
Looking to sell my Raven as well. I thought I was the only Raven user who felt like the workflow within the Raven just doesn't cut it. I think I got caught in the hype of the Slate videos. Where did you sell your Raven? Also, what's the resale value?
Honest review i like it very much... btw what are those black mix cubes that are proudly showing on the sides though ??? i am searching for a good pair of those though and since there a lot to choose from i 'm kind of lost !!!! Could you help with that please??? Thanks in advance
Great Video... ST owes you some royalties. I saw this and it caused me to research, and preorder the MkII from Sweetwater. Quick question. In terms of size, will it fit flush or close to the FaderPort8? I'm hoping to sit my FP8 just below the C1. Just curious. Thanks
I understand you, but if you combine keyb with raven is very powerful, for example I understand looking the screen because you can do quick moves and you need to do then in one direction, but if you combine example pressing shift key to lock and slow down the moving of the knob you don’t need to look to the screen, and if you do you raven for editing is amazing you need to work in a different way them you normally do but after you establish that is on the fly, another thing raven can do macros and is much quicker to design them in the daw if it allows it. I have macros of 100!!!Commands that I literally press one button and I go to recording room work and come back, and voilá work done.
When I learned Console 1 doesn't have DSP in the hardware, I was kind of turned away. That's seems like the route to go, that way you're getting the flexibility of digital, but the low latency of analog.
The artist mix is good I think it's just because he switched to Studio One so he wanted deep integration with his DAW. Even with the s-1 coming out, the artist mix is still good if you want something low profile.
Makes sense to me. I do like that mouse tho. It's not like you have the first mouse EVER with a rolling ball. Idunno. I am not a hardware person. Don't get the problem with using one or having visual input.
hello and thx for info . i have a artist mix controller and want to use the faders like you were on a plugin . its the Eucontrol and i can't find anything on it to see if that would work . I can turn the knobs but they're so small on the fingers . last is there somewhere to download the way you program each plugin . most are setup well but others have far to much info to scroll through and the mouse is faster for those times . but also not a mouse fan ,thanks joe
hey sir u really know whats up help i have a motu ultralite hybrid usb 2 with a pc c440 i record at 192k sample rates but i can only track with couple plugins i was looking on buyin a new apollo twin black quad 4 sharcs an buy an imac 5 8 ram expandable and one terabyte fusion drive will it remov emy latency proplems bro
Renaissance Man not sure what brand of screen he uses, but the touch interface is all custom programmed for him. He also has a wall of analog synths. Software synths though, he uses a lot of Zebra 2. They even released a version called The Dark Zebra, which includes all the patches he used in The Dark Knight.
I am more of a musician than a sound engineer, but I am getting more into Studio One 5 and the world of mixing. How do you like the Faderport? I am thinking about getting one, but also drawn to the X-Touch. Do you know anything about the S-touch. I know the Faderport is special for Studio One, but the X-Touch seems more flexible and I was thinking of maybe eventually getting a Behringer XR18 for use in a live situation and have the x-touch for that.
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One of the best features of your Faderport 8 to mention is that you can use the blue rotary knob to control whatever the mouse is hovering over in Studio One. So you have your physical knob to control any parameter by simply hovering over it with the mouse.
Love your style man, I could watch for hours. Giving the straight talk we all need to hear
I believe in using the best tool for the job. So I used to Track in Protools, Compose in Ableton, Mix in Mixbus 32c and Print with Triumph.
Now I do everything in Studio One. With the Console 1 and Faderport 8 it's the best workflow I've ever used!
Love you man!! Got my Console 1 and its spot on! My mixes went another step further!!!!!!!!
Pawel Walentynski still have it?
Great video. Been toying with the Console one and Faderport and just switching over to Studio One now. (you've already shown me a few tricks I wasn't aware of). The new UAD integration with Console 1 also now makes it even more useable/tempting. Anyway man, keep the videos coming. Very useful and like your honest and non hyped delivery.
Thanks, I have the same experience with my Raven as you. Love the Raven, but it didn't give me the ease of control that I was hoping for. I'm going to try your set up, I think it'll be more what I'm looking for.
My setup is: Console1 + Faderport 1 and it works perfect! The Brittish Class A channelstrip for the Console 1 is my goto. My favorite channelstrip, by far! Sound so fat :) Highly recommend!
Love the Class A! I use that and the 9000!
hey sir u really know whats up help i have a motu ultralite hybrid usb 2
with a pc c440 i record at 192k sample rates but i can only track with
couple plugins i was looking on buyin a new apollo twin black quad 4
sharcs an buy an imac 5 8 ram expandable and one terabyte fusion drive
will it remove my latency proplems bro or what do u recommend i really want to switch also cus of the thunderbolt 2 available on the imac and new quad twin what imac do u got sir helllppp
Robert Norberg What is it about the British Class A that you prefer over the SSL? Warmer?
Brian Stoltz the BCA just sounds amazing. I use the SSL 4000e on all my tracks and the BCA on all my busses. Because the BCA uses more CPU. But it is my favourite channel strip by far.
I like your videos man. I was on the fence with the Raven and didn't end up buying it because I came to the same conclusion you came to: nothing replaces real physical controls. I have an iPad and I don't find touching a glass screen any more satisfying than using my mouse. Hardware is hardware at the end of the day.
Appreciate your no.nonsense style..rekon your much more in tune with those of us that use this kit daily... im An old duffer who has decided that tactile is a must for mixing, its a cliche' but I want to feel more of what I'm doing, removing the visual stimulus of screens is my big project now..thanks from.london
THANKS VERY MUCH!! Seeing this with studio One (I am a cubase 9.5+ pro user - so quite close in many things) has me sold.You absolutely did the right thing.
I just got a "little" UAD Twin Duo MKII so I have the plugin quality AND have taken pressure off my main cpu from my laptop in major ways .I think this is the way I will go. With the UAD Plugs - I feel the same way as you:
With the exception of a couple of Softube (soon to be replaced with the UAD versions) - all my plugins on my machine are just becoming redundant. I am using them less and Less and Less as the UAD is so very far ahead sonically and emulation wise - I can imagine the Console 1 being exactly the same.
Once I tried using the iPad as a controller for Pro Tools, I knew I wouldn't like the Raven. I need actual physical components.
Completely agree. Mixing is about feel than look. Well not the mixing only)
SLATE RAVEN IS GARBAGE ITS FOR KIDS, THAT WHY I SOLD MIND
I live and die by my iPad for PT just to have something tactile. It works great for transport stuff and to do some quick adjustments while on the Sound Floor.
Like your choice of setup. i have almost the same approach to in the box mixing. console one and personus faderport ( the small one) . thinking of buying the new one like u. love to have more faders.
The Console 1 is a gamechanger.
I'm verry glad with it.
Ivan Heyligen really worth it?
Literally the exact same journey for me, man. Just bought the faderport 8, but I may keep the raven as a soft synth controller. Makes instruments feel more hardware for sure being able to grab the GUI with both hands quickly.
third-party plugins is one finger only
was skeptic to the C1 but now i see its very usable. Huge difference with taktile tools. Even with my midi keyboard with knobs, it feels like im sitting moving faders on a big neve desk. Can play the volumes and feel how the volumes interact and get a scope of what sounds feels like at different volumes
I love your videos man. really making me wonder about how to improve my workflow. keep them up!
physical knobs is the way to go its more about the feel then the look and of course the ears
I'm a raven user. I have the original mti. I get what you mean about wanting physical faders and knobs. At this point, I really don't think there is a perfect solution. I blame apple for not embracing touch screen technology on their OS. And it's so dumb too because they were the ones that launched smart phones and got us going in this direction in the first place. Studio One is definitely taking steps in the right direction with that, and windows in general is great with a touch screen. I like the idea of having physical knobs. They would definitely feel better and be more intuitive. I just think you are limited, or can't work as fast with the system you have, or working on an analog console. You either have to take the time to make the knobs/ faders control the parameter you want which slows you down, especially when you work with a lot of different plugins. Or, you have to limit yourself to always using the same plugins so you can have everything set up already and be fast. With a touch screen, you may not have physical faders, but in Studio One, I have thumbnails of all my favorite plugins in a list always open on the right side of the screen. And all I have to do is touch it and drag it over to the channel I want it on. And make adjustments. I like being able to get the sound I want the instant I imagine it without having to think about anything else. Everyone has their own preferences and what works best for them though I guess. I just feel like touch screens could be so much better if the software supported them better. As it is with the raven, the best solution I've found is customizing the buttons myself for the things I use most often.
Very good video. Very informative. I remember when we bought Steinberg Houston controller, it was an amazing hardware to control Cubase and Nuendo we have use that hardware for over eight or nine years.
Cool, I never thought I would like the Raven for that very reason, I like the hands-on mixing concept, the closer I am to that the better. great video man
Good choice , me personally I like to touch an feel the mix . I use studio 1 and the prosonus 32 live
Thank you Matty for this very informative video. You have confirmed what I have been concerned about as I contemplated some sort of touch screen setup, including the Raven. I am relatively new to recording engineering, and I am used to using just a mouse and keyboard shortcuts. But, I am a hands on worker. I need buttons and sliders to feel. I really dig the Softube Console 1, which I had not seen before this video. That and the FaderPort 8 is exactly what I think I need. Can't wait to try them.
Touchscreen everything = tired shoulders after 5 minutes.
Yes nice one, dont be a wuss get your excercise
Good info. I just picked up a console 1 and I think I love it so far!!!
I'm with you. LOVE Slate plugs but I owned the Raven MTI2 for about 6 hours. Trying to use it with Logic was not a good experience with overlays. SO I just went back to the standard mouse/keyboard.
Cool man, I've been eyeing both the Console 1 and Faderport 8. I'm jealous as hell of those Bettermaker modules!
Thoughtful set-up. Efficient and practical.
Nice review dude you saved me tons of cash! Plus I read on the Steinberg forums that Slate Raven touch screens do not play well with Cubase and since I use Cubase for work, the issue is no go for me. If Steinberg ever fixes their issues with their software and touch screen interfaces, maybe I would get a used dual screen Slate Raven MTI2 unit but it is no go for me at this point due to compatibility issues on Windows 10 and Cubase.
Great presentation. Nice glimpse into your process.
Have you tried the faderport 8 in PT in HUI mode yet? Would be good if you get the chance to do a video on that. Don't want to spend the cash on a Eucon controller from Avid and the faderport 8 is like half the price of an Artist Mix but HUI protocol is quite limited unfortunately. I'm sure lots of people will do the same as you have done and switch from PT to another DAW. Avid not letting third party developers use Eucon protocol in their products really annoys me. Was much better when Digidesign owned PT, at least you could get m-audio products that fit so seamlessly into the software like the faderport8 in Studio 1. Liked this vid and subscribed to your channel.
Yes I have. It works pretty well. Not all the features as using with working with Studio one , but still useful for sure. I wish the console 1 worked in pro tools as well as it does in studio one though.
Softube Console 1 and PreSonus FaderPort 8 are on my short list, great choices & great value too imo .. thanks for the video, cheers from Australia :D
Richard Williams G'Day Mate. Did you get one? I'm afraid I am getting mine from Europe - tired of our Aussie dollar being worthless so we can sell more coal.
cool video just subscribed thanks man you helped me out,I was indecisive on getting a mix controller for my Studio one 3 pro studio was thinking about the raven but i saw this video last week and got the Faderport 8 its awesome! a couple more weeks hopefully I can afford the Counsel One,Thanks!!!
I'm glad I watched this video cuz I wanted to Raven and had a doubts on it and been looking at the console 1and been researching it and this video sold me on getting the console one thanks
I agree. Been thinking for awhile now that screens are killing the music and tiring me out. I also thought people buying the raven weren't being wise. It's too early and the screens aren't great yet. We need higher refresh rates and OLED or better. Never mind the response and accurracy needs to increase. Someday maybe. But still it's good to just use the ears first and last.
As an engineer I don't have the cash for an SSL which is still my dream console but Raven is cool, gives me everything I need and fast.I have no problems with it at all, and in fact the 'hover faders feature, beats SSL.I don't dig subscriptions services for software though.
Ya. Some people love the Raven and I think it’s really cool but it just didn’t work for me. :)
Those big analog format consoles are acutally slowly fading away as you are starting see more like digital console these days or mixing entirely in the box but Chris-Lord-Alge lives by his SSL as he couldn't mix a Record with it. Dave Pensado and Adrew Scepts pretty much mix 100% in the box nowadays buy they do have a few outboard gear the the Neve pre amps and 1176 for hybrid mixing but that's about it.
Great video, thanks for putting it up!
Keep it up!
Are you still using the Softube Console 1 along with the Faderport in 2019? I'm just now looking at both these things and am in "research mode".
Console one is cool, I think that If I did not own an avid S3 I would probably go for that. The SSL nucleus 2 is cool too but it runs on hui mode in pro tools and that has a limit of 4 faders and knobs when controlling plug ins. With the avid S3 you can have 16 encoders for eq and 16 encoders for dynamics and still have the faders for attenuation.
Great vid! Very helpful. I like this setup, having Console One along with the Fader port.
Great video. Glad to see you're enjoying the Console 1 and Faderport 8 combination. From my experience, touching the music usually gives better results. All the best in 2017.
I get so much more pleasure using the Push 2 for Ableton than the Raven Mti for the same reasons. Tactile response and not having to stare at the computer
This wouldn't apply to the Author because I don't run a powerhouse professional studio lol, but I actually had an old Zoom HD16 multi-track recorder(from when it was almost top of the line) that I just started incorporating in my home recording when my pre-amp died. I have a Maschine Mikro & Midi Keyboard but no controller, but now I use the Zoom HD16 as a pre-amp, mixer, D/I box, Drum Machine/metronome , a Sampler(I dont use,) EFFECT processor(has Grade A reverb, nothing else good) as a controller it gives me the Fader/EQ/Pan feel and kind of centralizes everything pre-and-post Audio Interface (I do use a better interface, A Presonus Studio 68) but im quite happy with it
Love this vid! Thanks for sharing man
Thanks for the love my man \
muy cierto lo q dice de mirar menos a la pantalla y escuchar mas. aunque parece ser q la tendencia en los plugins es la contraria, fabfilter por ejemplo implementa analizadores en tiempo real y la rompe con algo q pareciera ser una innovacion. yo comparto la opinion de que entre menos se usen los ojos para mezclar, mas se usan los oidos.
Hi, thanks for the info... As a new user I learned a lot... Cheers from NL
Glad it helped my man!
That has always been my opinion on the slate raven... I just can't do it without the real touch of the fader... many times i like to close my eyes and fader ride when mixing and let the music guide me... i can't really do that on a screen. I suggested steve him to create a fader port already integrated with a monitor controller thing...
great video! i bought the raven V1 soon after its release. nothing but wasted time and money. i, too, love Slate's stuff and have the plugin subscription, but my list of problems with the Raven are longer than my arm! you made a great point i never thought of. even though you can multi touch the screen, you're still touching a screen...same as a mouse pretty much. i couldn't even get my bank selector to jump to the furtherest fader on the right...typically your 2bus and master fader(s). bah!
after the novelty of touching a screen wore off, i was stuck with a $2500 slanted monitor. have you ever had a fly land on your screen and hit the record button? i have! more than once!
thanks for the info on the Console 1. i'm not switching from Pro Tools and i heard some of the features don't work. you mentioned that. i think i can live with that.
Faderport is news to me. I'm off to research. Thanks for your 2 cents!
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Dope! I'm a fan of physical nobs and faders as a Record Producer. I'm not a fan of touch screens as it just doesn't feel authentic just like said as its still like using a mouse. Even as a Producer it takes a great ear to be a great Producer, knowning what sounds best as you want to focus on listening rather than visual distractions.
Interesting video. I'm currently thinking about adding a touch screen to my setup more for editing. I use the fader port and my mouse with Studio One. Did you feel the touch screen improved your editing speed or are you just as fast with the current setup with the bonus of having less screens and listening? I've always liked the concept of just listening while mixing but I'm yet to find a system which allows you to use your plugins and achieve this.
I didn't use the raven for editing at all. I just wanted it for fader rides and the possibility of using the plugins with it.
Thanks for vid very knowledgeable & great insight unbiased to help make an informed decision
Why not just buy the console fader also instead of the fader port 8
nice job, good info and I love studio one and the console one as well.
i just sold all my ravens as well im involved in a high end mixing studio and they just were not what we expexted cool concept but the ergonomics were bad and using with other plug ins it was a nightmare
What DAW and external synth are you using? Your studio looks awesome!
can you do an in depth video of how you use your faderport 8 in a mix session with alot of tracks(14-50 tracks) sort of thing? also how to program plugins in and stuff like that!
Nice review! 👍
In your experience, how much CPU and RAM usage does the console 1 insert has?
Thank you for this video brother. I was really looking into the Raven, cause my Mackie Control faders turning to shit!!!!
You mentioned something about the Console 1 maybe not working as well in Pro Tools? Could you elaborate on that? I am loving the idea of the Console 1,.. and I just want to know as much about it, before buying.
PLAYA PLAYAAAA PLAYYAAAAA!!! Miss you dude! Great Video BTW!
What's up buddy! Hope all is well!
I have the softtube setup actually 1x console1 and 2x fader but have a chance to get the raven desk on the cheap and want to combine them. maybe overkill
the Faderport 8 looks cool, just seeing that for the first time, i hope it's not a POS like Tascam's. I think they dropped motorized faders because they dont work worth a shit....at least not for Tascam. I like the idea of hardware, but it requires maintenance & money. much easier to go with a good DAW. the plugins are so good these days. expensive, so pick the right ones. thx for vid.
The problem (for me) that I see with your way of doing things... Faderport + Trackpad + Softube hardware - all different hardware feels and protocols - seems like confusing duplication.. I would rather have one main interface - and when I listen, look away. But interesting the way you do it.
I get that. I think it's all about finding what works best for you. That's all this video is about. My journey finding what worked. Just cause the slate didn't work for me doesn't mean it's not amazing for someone else. :)
Try an avid S3 if you are on pro tools.
This apparently is the outcome of where analog provides the nitty griddy and digital will still falter.
Great points from someone who gets it's all about listening. As a musician I feel I can get lost forever looking st the DAW - using Logic now- but it's not always productive. Been looking at the Mackie universal controllers, let me know what youblot think of them...
What do you mean "Studio One is already Touchscreen"? Are you saying that it works natively with 10 point touch monitors?
Cool!
Questions:
Did you notice error and C1 stop working in Studio One, I read about a bug (what version C1 you using?
Is it possible to have control of UAD plugins on anothwr monitor while using the knobs? I enjoy to see the emulation as graphics so I can imagine me being a rich hardware guy sometimes ;)
Looking to sell my Raven as well. I thought I was the only Raven user who felt like the workflow within the Raven just doesn't cut it. I think I got caught in the hype of the Slate videos. Where did you sell your Raven? Also, what's the resale value?
Sold on Ebay. Got 725 for it. Not bad. :)
Honest review i like it very much... btw what are those black mix cubes that are proudly showing on the sides though ??? i am searching for a good pair of those though and since there a lot to choose from i 'm kind of lost !!!! Could you help with that please???
Thanks in advance
Avatones ? They are expensive.
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Hay my friend tthis is such a great informative Video. And btw what uad and what softube plugins come with console 1 mk II?
Thanks man. Quite a few of them. 1176, LA2A, The chandler stuff. Check out the softube site for more. :)
Actually none come with Console 1, they are all add-ons but they do work with Console 1 if you own them.
my biggest concern is having non-mouse control for third party vsts and plugs... kontakt, fabfil, izo etc
Great Video... ST owes you some royalties. I saw this and it caused me to research, and preorder the MkII from Sweetwater. Quick question. In terms of size, will it fit flush or close to the FaderPort8? I'm hoping to sit my FP8 just below the C1. Just curious.
Thanks
The faderport is a bit higher. But I'm sure with you could put something under to make a bit higher.
mixandmastermysong.com I did. Have the two working hand in hand with each other.
I understand you, but if you combine keyb with raven is very powerful, for example I understand looking the screen because you can do quick moves and you need to do then in one direction, but if you combine example pressing shift key to lock and slow down the moving of the knob you don’t need to look to the screen, and if you do you raven for editing is amazing you need to work in a different way them you normally do but after you establish that is on the fly, another thing raven can do macros and is much quicker to design them in the daw if it allows it. I have macros of 100!!!Commands that I literally press one button and I go to recording room work and come back, and voilá work done.
I went for all of them Raven MTI2 + Faderport 8 + Console 1 ;)
I'm sure that's a great setup! If it works it works. :)
Jack Vaptor #BALLERALERT lol
When I learned Console 1 doesn't have DSP in the hardware, I was kind of turned away. That's seems like the route to go, that way you're getting the flexibility of digital, but the low latency of analog.
It's pretty light on the CPU. You can also use UAD plugs with it now. SO you can go that route.
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Good stuff my dude
Hey I noticed you had an Artist Mix on more recent videos but also noticed you don't have it in even newer videos, did you have any problems with it.?
The artist mix is good I think it's just because he switched to Studio One so he wanted deep integration with his DAW. Even with the s-1 coming out, the artist mix is still good if you want something low profile.
Makes sense to me. I do like that mouse tho. It's not like you have the first mouse EVER with a rolling ball. Idunno. I am not a hardware person. Don't get the problem with using one or having visual input.
Great title!
Wondering, since the faderport controls plugins, couldn't you use the faderport to control the softtube plugins without the console 1?
you and i are very similiar... this was a help..
How’s this Console 1 coming after a few years? Do you still have it with you?
Thanks Man
good stuff
hello and thx for info . i have a artist mix controller and want to use the faders like you were on a plugin . its the Eucontrol and i can't find anything on it to see if that would work . I can turn the knobs but they're so small on the fingers . last is there somewhere to download the way you program each plugin . most are setup well but others have far to much info to scroll through and the mouse is faster for those times . but also not a mouse fan ,thanks joe
I wanted to buy it bro , but if is not accurate is not good
Raven’s gonna hurt my shoulders
Like your vids , keep it up .
overstayer ftw
Matty TRUMP!!! Long time no see! I used to rec wit u back in the day. Boston!!! Hope all is well with u my guy
How’s the combo of console 1 and faderport 8 after all this time? Considering the same.
hey sir u really know whats up help i have a motu ultralite hybrid usb 2 with a pc c440 i record at 192k sample rates but i can only track with couple plugins i was looking on buyin a new apollo twin black quad 4 sharcs an buy an imac 5 8 ram expandable and one terabyte fusion drive will it remov emy latency proplems bro
Physical over touchscreen everytime. Hate touchscreens for mixing/editing/plugs.
we at DRP Zyion are looking for a mixer contact us our slates are not working with the system let alone with our new Luna DAW...
What touch screen and synths does Hans Zimmer use?
Renaissance Man not sure what brand of screen he uses, but the touch interface is all custom programmed for him. He also has a wall of analog synths. Software synths though, he uses a lot of Zebra 2. They even released a version called The Dark Zebra, which includes all the patches he used in The Dark Knight.
what type of small mixer console you use on the right side of you
Hey Peter. That is a Presonus Faderport 8. I use studio one and it works great with it. But also works with other DAW's.
good vid
I am more of a musician than a sound engineer, but I am getting more into Studio One 5 and the world of mixing. How do you like the Faderport? I am thinking about getting one, but also drawn to the X-Touch. Do you know anything about the S-touch. I know the Faderport is special for Studio One, but the X-Touch seems more flexible and I was thinking of maybe eventually getting a Behringer XR18 for use in a live situation and have the x-touch for that.
Typo... meant to type "Do you know anything about the X-Touch?" not "S-Touch"
I got the mti 2 head for the nearest dump right its useless trust me
can I use it with any brand of plug ins like slate digital or waves?
Just Softube and UAD for now. Think they are going to expand though.
Does your console 1 work in 32bit on studio one?
32 bit float? Yes.
Couldn't you have kept the Raven and just had the best of both worlds?