The Umpires messed up on the play. Play should have been called dead as soon as the catcher put the ball in his pocket. I left a longer comment on the video if you want to find it and check it out or even pin it 😂. I’m not sure anyone else even realizes the umpires missed that.
Well ... the second baseman was the only one on his team who was aware. The other team knew the rule and they used to it to pull out a victory from the jaws of defeat.
The 2nd baseman was on point throughout this entire play...he tried to cover first at one point, went back to cover second and ultimately tried covering home plate...young man did everything you could ask a kid to do in this situation. Too bad his pleas fell on deaf ears.
I watched this several times in different locations online. I never realized the catcher put the ball in his back pocket. This was the first replay that emphasized it, which made more sense why the infielder seemed like the only defensive player who knew what was going on but couldn't find the ball to do anything about it. Brutal way to lose any game, let alone a State Title game.
This was not a state championship game. It was a sectional title game , several games before a state title. One thing that got lost in this play is that Hornell lead 5-1 going into the bottom of the 7th and committed 2 errors before the final play. If either one of them had been a clean play, the game would have ended before the final batter.
My only question is, what made the catcher put the ball in his pocket after missing the tag and looking back to see the ump signaling safe? It may be a question only the catcher can answer, but im curious
Yes, they both celebrated the win, didn't they. 😆 Now that's sportsmanship! It makes one feel good for both sides. After all, it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. ...and how you snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...and then stuff the ball in your back pocket, and have it bite you in the butt.
I've been involved and a fan over a long period-having seen hundreds of thousands of plays and thousands of games and had never seen any player pocket a ball-till now. DUH!
Gotta love how the ump did absolutely nothing more than say the ball was in play and the runner was safe to attempt to advance. He didn't show any other indication that might tip the team off to their stupidity. It's not the ump's job to play the game for them. He just let everything unfold calmly and quietly. Excellent umping! They always say... don't count your chickens before they've hatched! In other words... celebrate when you know it's time and not before. Oops!
Actually the umpire should give a normal strike mechanic with the safe mechanic to indicate that the ball was dropped. He instead gave the emphatic third strike mechanic which should be reserved for the out.
When the coaches watch the replay, they will clearly see the safe call at home plate AND all umps not leaving the field. They can have no complaints. What they DO have is great video for teaching situational baseball to the next set of kids.
Ugh, that catcher really blew it. He looked right at the ump who signaled safe but he totally disregarded it. The other horrible part is he put the game ball in his pocket. Had he just dropped it where he stood the 2bman could have saved his ass
My guess was that when the catcher turned to look at the ump, he just misread the umps safe signal as an out signal... meaning he did tag the runner, which no one else (except the batter) will ever know if he really did.
Actually once he put the ball in his pocket the play is dead, umpires call time and award bases, which in this case would’ve been 1st for the batter runner and 3rd base for R2. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor That’s silly. That means if a fly ball is hit to the wall, and the fielder knows he has a weak arm and no hope of throwing home in time, he can just put the ball in his pocket and the inner is just awarded the next base?
Shout out to the 2nd baseman for being alert and after the winning run crosses home plate he walks off. Notice he didn't go and yell at the ump, he took the L like a champ.
My heart aches for him. You know hes devastated by how emotional he was while trying to ppl to pay attention and you see him looking for the ball. Man….I feel broken for that kid.
Even crazier is that Hornell was up 5-1 when Pal-Mac went up to bat in that final inning lol And even crazier than that is that directly before that last at bat, the score was 5-3 w/ 2 outs, and the batter popped one high in the air and came down near the mound. All the pitcher had to do was catch this extremely simple pop up that came directly to him, but he stumbled and fell down as the ball hit his glove and he dropped it. Then this happened. Talk about brutal!!
I was a member of the junior league championship team in 1982. Won the World Series. I’m 54 yrs old now and I still remember every moment of that final game. For a team to loose like this is crazy. That catcher will feel some kinda way for the rest of his life. Wow😮
My mom didn’t allow me to play baseball. She thought that parents yelled and took it too seriously. I wish I had been allowed to play. I’m 62 and probably too old to start now.
. . . although continuing to run beyond 2nd base was a mistake. His run was meaningless, and by being off base, he could have been tagged for the third out before the two runners ahead of him scored. Running to 2nd would have been the correct thing had the 2nd runner been held on third as that would have eliminated a force play at 2nd base on the subsequent batter. In any event, that will have to go down as the biggest bonehead play of that catcher's life. Let's hope anyway.
@@jhandle4196 Seriously! Not too baseball savvy are you? The batter has coaches, sometimes experienced teammates, at first and third telling him to run or stay. They knew what was up and kept him running. No risk!!
Actually, that’s bad Umpire mechanics as well. When the tag is applied and he misses the tag the Umpire needs to give that safe sign just like a banger not a half ass safe sign. This is the most important play the game.
@@jsalt40you can see catcher isn't arguing he tagged him. He's trying to argue that there's a guy in first so the rule doesnt apply. He keeps pointing to first and he never tries to get the runner out. I'm not even sure he really tried to tag him. He's so focused on pointing to first and then just takes it for granted that he's right and goes to celebrate. If he really believed the runner could take first and the other runners advance then he would have seen the ump shake is head and signal safe and thrown to literally anywhere.
That catcher was so dumb, because he was aware the umpire called him safe but just ignored it, and then he doesn't listen to a couple of his teammates telling him to take the ball out of his pocket.
I use to play baseball and never understood the reason for the third strike rule. I just looked it up, and I guess I still don't understand why it was kept. But after watching this video Im kind of glad. We would have been denied this weird, insane "celebrate to early" moment.
Actually I’ve been a die hard baseball fan my entire life, I am 57 years old, and I still don’t understand why this rule exists, but it’s still the rule in every level of baseball. I should also say that while it doesn’t happen in every game, it actually occurs more than people realize. (The dropped 3rd strike.) It’s just that 99% of the time, the batter is either tagged out or the catcher throws to first, it would never end this way. This is probably more information than you want, but I have seen a few times where the batter makes it to 1st base before the throw, in which case he is safe and the inning continues, but again, never like this. It’s a weird rule I really don’t like, but to your point, it can create some excitement from time to time.
I'd say it's that the defense needs to control the ball for an out to be recorded. Just like the first baseman needs to catch the ball at first to record an out.
this is what i was saying. everyone is gonna blame the catcher (and yes, it was his fault for not making the right play) but this is ultimately a reflection of poor coaching.
@@paulpinball9952 except this comment isn't true at all. The coaches didn't arrive until after the winning run was scored. Try watching it for yourself once.
Nobody to blame but the buffoon of a catcher on that play...dropping the ball, not tagging the batter, not throwing to first, and then disregarding the umpire's call.
Great breakdown of the play and the call. I would feel sorry for the other team had the ump signaled out to the catcher and then let everything play out, but the home plate ump, field ump, second baseman and the base runners were all aware the ball and play were live.
@Stephen Adams I don't believe so. Walks and hit by pitches to my understanding aren't runs batted in, to bat in a run is to put the ball in play and score a run as a result of a hit or sacrifice.
@@IHateNicolasCage You are correct. Just looked it up on MLB. All errors and double plays do not count as RBI's, everything else does. I would assume this would be an error on the catcher and hence no RBI's
It's amazing that at 0:27 when they are asking the catcher where the ball is, he looks at them and does the "safe" sign, which is the same sign her misinterpreted as "yeah, you're good."
Baseball is the most intellectual game out there. You must be mentally aware of what's happening on every pitch and think 2 or 3 steps ahead which is why whenever a fielder catches a fly ball out they almost always hold up 1 or 2 fingers to remind everyone how many outs there are.
He knew if 1st base was occupied the batter couldn’t run with 1 out . He failed to know that if there is 2 outs an 1st base is occupied the runner an batter can run to force a play !
@@cisnerosd84 When I was a youngster, I played base ball (2 words) and watched it on TV (The great Curt Gowdy announcing) and learned rules by watching. I suspect these youngsters play video games, which I understand fully, and don’t know a lot of rules, but they made it to Jom Boy (2 words)!!!!!!
I want to know what the catcher thought the umpire was communicating to him. The umpire is signaling "safe" and then the catcher starts celebrating. Just odd.
Same thing I was thinking. The catcher knew what was going on and looked back to the ump for assurance. The ump said safe while the catcher was looking at him and then the catcher just starts celebrating.
@@jordanmadden7388 And then later, once he realized what was happening, the catcher looks back at the ump and makes the “safe” sign himself! What does he think that gesture means?!
I played high level ball in the 80’s and 90’s. We had brain cramps too. Fortunately, they weren’t seen by hundreds of thousands of people. We had 1 guy who never homered all year. Got his first home run of the season and forgot to step on home plate. They appealed and he was out. Gotta feel for everyone involved.
I've always been very thankful that I finished high school right around the time social media/smart phones started becoming a thing. Like there were maybe 3-4 kids in my class that had a cellphone by the time I graduated high school....just a few years later, and every kid started getting smartphones. I'm thankful none of my stupid thing I did, were caught on camera and posted on the internet for thousands, tens of thousands or millions of people to see (not JUST sports either lol).
I had $30 and went all in, two guys had a side pot for a few hundred. AT SHOWDOWN: *I yelled like **#JessePinkman* _(Yeah B🤬🤬ch!)_ *slammed my cards in excitement* …and _ONE CARD_ *slightly* touched the muck. *THEY CALLED MY HAND DEAD.* 💔 It’s $90 but that hand *HAUNTS ME* like a wish fulfilled curse by my worst enemy, who requested a *psychological* low level voodoo curse that would HURT ME but not INJURE ME the rest of my life❗️
When I coached kid's baseball, I always told them when in doubt hold onto the ball and walk / run to home base! That way you can sort out what is going on and no one can score! The amazing thing is at least one of the players knew they messed up!
NEVER QUIT UNTIL THE UMPIRE SAYS, "GAME OVER!" (BASES LOADED, SCORE 7-8, 2 OUTS. MY BROTHER'S UP. HE DECIDED TO BUNT THE BALL BUT STEPS ON THE PLATE. "YOU'RE OUT!" WE LOSS AND TAKING THE TITLE OF LAST PLACE. THANK YOU, BRO, 🥲 🤪💦⚾️ KEEP THE LOSING PITCH.
I don't want to call out a kid too much, but like.... I don't understand the Catcher here. He Knew he dropped it, he knew the runner ran, he knew he didn't tag him, he knew to look at the Ump for a call, he knew the play was still going on.... I don't understand. And then also of all things...you put the ball in your back pocket? I could see dropping it, throwing it... but pocketing it? And this all takes so long... it's almost 24 seconds for it to play out. How'd he 100% know this was happening, like, forget, and then ignore people screaming for the ball
I had the same reaction. All I can think is that he looked over, confirmed there was a runner at first, and forgot about the two outs thing ... otherwise, who knows?
I think the catcher feels like or knows he tagged the runner and assumed the game was over. Maybe the ump didn't see the tag so it's not over. As another commentator stated, it should be a tie game after the catcher put the all out of play (in his pocket.) It's like an overthrow into the stands for example, the runners all can advance one base only. The ump fucked up. Should have been tie game runners 2nd and third, next batter up.
@@krissantana4660 So everytime they can just pocket to ball to avoid having runners only advance 1 base, seems abusable, I mean, in what way is it out of play? Its litterally in his pocket where he put it himself, can just take it out again.
@@krissantana4660 I think that's usually 2 bases from where the runners are at the time it's out of play, so I think the winning run would be in anyway. But also I'd doubt someone putting it in their pocket would count as 'out of play' he can easily access the ball.
@@mylesmarkson1686 ABSOLUTELY NOT. It's just another reason why it's the perfect game, Abner thought of everything. Even 60 ft and 60.6 have held up remarkably well for more than 100 years despite the increases in size strength and speed. "Baseball, Ray. It was baseball...."
I think your right. I assumed the catcher thought he made the tag (but, even though you can’t possibly tell from the only angle available) it sure doesn’t look like he did. But I think you’re spot on - he thought with a runner on one it was an automatic out. He forgot that half the rules in baseball contain the phrase “except if there are two down”!
I went to school in the next town over from Hornell, my friend went to school there, and another friend teaches there now. Definitely sharing this video with them.
Technically not a home run cause the batters own run would not count even though he touched home plate. There were runners on first and second, so the game score would have ended 6-5.
As a former umpire of 22 yrs, I was always impressed by the catchers that would introduce themselves to me at the games start and then ask me what my mechanics are for a dropped 3rd strike. Those catchers are well trained and unfortunately far & few between games.
The Ump clearly gives the catcher a safe sign as he didn't call the batter out ,but still continues to act like they had won the game. Why would the catcher call his own shots and act like he did tag the batter when in fact he didn't? Wouldn't more guys on the defensive team look around and see the players from the other team rounding the bases and maybe think something is going on here?
I don't think the catcher was acting like he tagged the batter. When he pointed to first base, I think he was indicating (might have even said) that there's a runner on first. He thought that the uncaught third strike rule wasn't in effect because of the runner on first, but he was wrong due to the fact that there were 2 outs.
This is the last out of a championship game. Tensions are high and the catcher just just got a bit a head of him self and celebrated to early. Life lesson for sure.
@@roughrider3591 exactly what i think also. That's why you hear them screaming 2 outs it is in reference to with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the base is occupied.
Happened once in a Detroit Tiger v Twins game, but not at the end of the game. Tiger pitcher Earl Wilson struck out but the ball was trapped. The Twins all went to their dugout. 1st or 3b coach noticed the trap and told Wilson, who then went back out and ran the bases. Was laughing out loud. Twins finally noticed by the time Wilson rounded 3rd and one of them got their in time and made the tag.
Thank you for explaining the rules a bit and showing us what happened. I don't know much at all about baseball and I didn't know what was happening whrn I saw the video elsewhere with no explanation. :)
I can’t thank you enough for this breakdown. Watched and played baseball all my life (I’m 50) but never understood the third strike dropped ball scenario until now. Great explanation and fantastic breakdown of this completely FUBAR play. Cheers from Boston
It took me a while to understand. Two outs and a dropped third strike you must throw them out no matter what bases are occupied. Less then two outs you only have to throw to first if first base is empty, otherwise it could be a “cheap double play” since the runner on first would have to run to second and if first and second are occupied the runner on second has no chance to make it home and if bases are loaded all the catcher would have to is pick up the ball tag home and throw to third for two easy outs.
How have you watched something that long and don’t know the rules? I didn’t play baseball growing up and am really not much of a fan of watching it on TV, and even I knew that rule.
@@DougMacRay It's literally something that was taught at the little league level And maybe your time would be better served by actively learning about the things you enjoy instead of making comments and replies on the internet. But you do you, chief.
@@CaliBorn73 I never said I played Little League, varsity, college or AAA. I’ve just played pick up games all my life at at the recreational level. Rare occurrences like the dropped third strike, balks etc are never enforced in that context. I can tell your a man whose easily offended and triggered when you don’t get things your way. To make you feel like you accomplished something here, I’m going to give all your comments Thumbs Up to help your self esteem, as it’s clear you have none. Oh, never made Chief. I was boots-on-the-ground for my thirty-one years of service doing the work you ordered me to do. Cheers from Boston ☘️ * Edited 06/06/2023. To make content more inclusive to those who were offended by my lack of knowledge of the rules of baseball.
I don’t watch baseball, but I enjoy your videos. Makes me wish there was a hockey version. I ref youth hockey, and so many strange plays that could benefit from a channel that explains things well as you do.
@@isthatujeebus the rules may not be as confusing, but there are so many examples that players, fans, and coaches can’t grasp. Try explaining to coaches why a player can’t come out of the box when a penalty expires when they have three penalties and let them know the first player comes out when the second is done, the second player comes out when the last penalty is done, and the last player has to wait for a whistle. I’ve had coaches threaten me with violence because they don’t grasp the concept. Or try explaining that just because a player falls from contact with a stick, it isn’t tripping. If the player is making a play on the puck and is touching the puck with his stick, it’s not a tripping penalty if the other player trips over the stick.
@@WowOafus lol, fair point. That 3 penalty thing is because you can only go down to 3 men on the ice and if the first player comes back on at the end of his penalty they would only be one man down despite still having two guys in the box, right?
Fantastic job by the ump. I had this happen to me when I umpired and let’s just say the defending team was very unhappy with my correct call lol. Rules are rules
@@bernier42 The game over signal does look somewhat similar to a safe call. The umpire will make 2 fists then bring them to his chest and then back out almost as if making a safe call. The umpire could have been more deliberate with his safe call in this situation.
That isnt so much a SAFE sign at that point as it is a DECLINED or NOT SUCCESSFUL sign. Its used that way on appeal for a check swing, or if an appeal is made to a base. The umpire was acknowledging a tag was not successfully made, not that anyone was safe.
You gotta know the rules, even the weird ones. But the big take-away here is about being preoccupied with celebrating. If not for that there were any numbers of players and coaches and fans telling them about their mistake. Hats off to the batter and base runners for keeping cool heads in the game!
I’m guessing the catcher thought he completed the tag and the umpire missed it. But you should always just throw to 1st just in case. Especially if you don’t hear the umpire call the runner out.
I've seen a catcher drop the third strike with two outs and the bases loaded. He picked up the ball and stepped on home plate to force out the runner on third, ending the inning.
@@pauljones6212 Yes, you're correct. But simply holding the ball at the plate would have mitigated any further damage. No out would have been recorded, but no runs would have scored.
The catcher was more worried about putting the ball in his back pocket. At that point the game was over. Great awareness by Pal-Mac. The errors in the bottom of the 7th is what really lost this game.
That second baseman is probably still waking in a terror, covered in sweat, from his recurrent dream where he is about to win the World Series but instead of making the final out the catcher express mails the ball to Mongolia.
I think everyone is forgetting how young these brains are. The catcher's brain quickly switched when he saw his friends celebrating. The pitcher certainly was (the leader of the D) and my guess is he couldn't throw it to 1st because the 1st baseman was prob celebrating. Horde mentality is everything at this age, especially within a team culture. He looks to even get dogpiled. The fact others ran onto the field also created an unique situation but the ump did the right thing by letting the chaos just play out. A real bummer of a situation and something they'll think about forever.
You're the only person besides me (when memorializing the late Howard Cosell) who says, "an unique," so cheers on that! These are high-schoolers, so they will be voting before we know it. It's all becoming clearer to me now.
No i played sports since age 4. I always knew the rules, I was that second baseman. These are not "children"... If the 2nd baseman has a brain they all do. Lmao🤣 stop trying to protect idiotic and dumb plays.
@@paulpinball9952 I think you’re far from rare in saying/writing “an unique”. It seems most people are taught to use “an” when the following word starts with a vowel. That’s not the rule though… you use “an” when the following word starts with a vowel _sound_. So you should write “a unique” (since unique starts with a consonant sound… “younique”). Similarly it should be “an hour” since the h in hour is silent.
the easiest way to think about when the dropped third strike rule comes into effect is to consider that the motivations are the same as the infield fly rule -- it doesn't apply when there's an opportunity to turn a cheap double play by botching the play (in this case, dropping the third strike) on purpose
@@andrewlittle3137 He means if there was zero or one out and a runner on first, the catcher could deliberately drop the 3rd strike, then go to 2nd for the force (now that the runner has to vacate first to allow the batter to run there) and then to 1st for the double play. As he says, same as the infield fly rule. So by not making it mandatory to tag the batter on a dropped 3rd strike with less than 2 outs, this situation is eliminated.
Exactly. In MLB just this week, guy on first with one out. Line drive to the shortstop, who deliberately dropped the ball, threw to second and then over to first for a double play. Umpire called the batter out and put the runner back to first.
The 2nd baseman deserves to be on the winning side. He’s lucky because he only just needs to change the shade of his pants and he’s already wearing the other team’s jersey!
What’s amazing is the winning players knew the rules. The losing team didn’t. I’m guessing the winning team was better coached, especially since the losing coaches are arguing with the umpire.
They clearly know the rules. The catcher tried to tag the hitter and then looked at the ump. For some reason the catcher didnt comprehend that the ump signaled safe
I remember the good old days of baseball when your coaches would teach you the rules and practice in game situations to boost your baseball I.Q. when everyone on the team knew how to bunt properly.
How could you possibly know how they've been coached? Maybe, the catcher wasn't paying attention, the day the coach taught them the rules, and had them practiced in game situations. Maybe... the catcher was related to the umpire, and thought he'd get a pass for that? This was all about ONE player; not the entire team.
@@Seemsayin it's definitely about an entire team, minus the second baseman, he was the only one who knew what was going on. The coaches weren't yelling at their team to tag one of the runners, they went to the ump to complain after. That shows me they didn't know what was going on either. It's mostly the catchers fault but the pitcher and coaches should have definitely known what was going on
@@CoutureThug Gregorio... This reply is longer than I expected it to be. Please... read through it. In my opinion (and I could very well be completely wrong), the catcher was the ONLY player at fault. This kid took an "in play" ball, hid it in his back pocket, and tried to persuade everyone that he made the tag, and that the game was over. He did all of that with NO assistance. He had attempted to deceive everyone, and cheat the other team. We also wonder where a kid would learn to deceive, to not play fair, to steal. Who's fault would that be? Would it be the coach's fault? The parent's? The other players? Their other friends? All of them? Unless you know... you don't know. I don't have a problem with him not making the tag, nor not throwing the ball to first base. After he saw the umpire rule the runner safe, he hid the ball (or pretended that he didn't see the umpire's ruling), and started to cheer, pretending that the game was over. He KNEW the runner had been ruled safe, but acted likewise, anyway. ANY coach will go out there and argue, or ask WTF? After all... this was a championship game. However... Do we know for certain what was being said when the coach talked to the umpire? No. We don't. Except for the catcher, and the umpire, I don't think anyone else knew exactly where the ball was. If the coach was trying to get the umpire to see it his way, or coercing him to change his mind, under false pretenses... then I could understand not having any faith in the coach's training abilities, and thus... effecting the entire team. BUT... we don't know exactly what anyone said. And you can't assume anything. Even if the team's coach was THE best coach on the planet, players WILL ultimately react in any direction they see fit. Let's not forget that these boys are teenagers, and prone to misbehave. Even possessing, and teaching the best information... "You can lead a horse to water. But, you can't male him drink." We know, for certain, that the catcher had the ball, the entire time, and pretended that the runner was tagged out, after seeing the umpire's "safe" ruling, and then put the ball in his pocket. Other than the catcher... we don't know what any other person is like, because we don't know. Until we do... anything else is speculation, in my opinion.
@@Seemsayin if the coaches didn't see the ump give the safe sign when the catcher missed the tag in such an important game then they failed their team as well. I saw one guy running around like he couldn't find his parents in the mall, the rest wee celebrating or standing around confused. The second baseman knew what was going on because he had baseball i.q. how was it he knew but the pitcher who is standing closer to the play didn't see? They figure since there was a runner on first that the batter is automatically out even if the pitch is dropped but that isn't the case with two outs. It's a live ball, and only one player knew.
@Gregorio Gonzalez It doesn't matter who else knew, or what anyone else was doing or thinking. The point is... the catcher acted inappropriately, and the umpire ruled accordingly. Everything else was just the circumstances of the catcher's actions. The catcher's actions, and the umpires ruling are the only concrete events that mean anything. I thought you were more concerned about the integrity of those involved.
As the umpire here, I have Dropped third strike, mechanically, this was handled well. I have the C putting the ball out of play intentionally when he tucks it in his pocket, first runner scores, runner fron first goes to third and batter runner is awarded 2d base for intentionally putting a ball out of play (lodged ball). Situation is tie score runners on 2d and 3d, 2 out, bring up the next batter.
I wouldn't call it the way you describe. The rule you quote about the ball out of play covers when the ball is inadvertently put out of play, like the ball over thrown into the stands or the ball is lodged in some in accessible place. Intentionally holding the ball by the catcher is not the same thing. For all intents and purposes, he is still in control of the play and play should not be stopped by the umpire because the ball is still available. How this played out is exactly the right call on the part of this umpire. The defensive team still has the ball to put back into play but they don't. Everyone should be allowed to advance as far as they can. In this case the bases are cleared. I don't get the coaches arguing with the umpire. If they want to yell at anyone, gather their team around, except the second baseman, and rip them a new one for being idiots. Then learn to actually coach your team about the rules of the game.
I too wondered about Detached Equipment when I heard him say catcher put it in his back pocket, but I think I agree with @cdjhyoung..never really seen a play where they intentionally Detached Equipment to Allow the other team to score 😆 at that point....it's on you dude. Just tag one of these guys running the bases and lets all get outta here
This reminds me of the Winnipeg Goldeyes, when they were playing the Wichita Wingnuts. The Wingnuts thought they had won a championship, but it was a balk. But they celebrated. The Goldeyes rallied to win the series. I was at the game.
That was classic situational baseball. Wow. The winning team was well coached on first and third and disciplined enough to listen and focus on the coaches at the corners.
Nobody mentioning #9, the batter. In the park, walk off, game winning, home run on a called 3rd strike. I’ve been a baseball player and fan for all my 65 years. That is a first, never heard of such a thing. Awesome 🤩
There was a really good HS softball team here that got knocked out of the playoffs in districts 2 years ago. 7th inning, runner on 3rd with 2 outs. Catcher for some reason decides to walk to ball back to the circle. Until the ball is in the circle, it's still live. Runner took off for home and scored and knocked them out and they could have won states too.
They were tied in the bottom of the 7th inning with a runner on 3rd. How are you so sure they would have won state championship if they're in that situation? Then to make a boneheaded mistake like that I don't think they would have gotten very far.
@@bryanhayes9728 They also blamed the loss on the catcher walking the ball back to the mound with the winning run on third base in the bottom of the final inning. It was a district playoff round elimination game, not even the state tournament yet, so it's not likely they could or would have won state. Any team "could" win if they just score more runs right?
Scrolling through the comments, I'm surprised nobody is mentioning what a terrible strike three call that was by the umpire. The pitch hit the ground in the batter's box. No possible way was that even close to the strike zone. I feel bad for the Hornell team losing this way but it is almost poetic justice that Pal Mac found another way to win.
I'd assume its because, unlike almost all other team sports, there are not equal player numbers or roles on the field at the same time. Meaning, in hockey you have 5 skaters on each team (ignoring penalties) on the ice at the same time, passing the puck between each other, hitting other team, etc... so being distinctive matters. In baseball, you have 1 batter, potentially some runners (wearing helmets to protect and differentiate) and otherwise everyone else on the field is defending the run. You can't really pass the ball to the wrong player, one guy has a mitt and one guy is wearing a helmet and sprinting away from the ball. It makes for some ugly watching from a camera angle like this and I think it's stupid from a visual standpoint, but really there are like no opportunities to mess up plays based on jerseys like there would be in any other team sport that involves playing a more man-on-man style of sport.
I umpire and that strike call looked close enough to me it could have been called a ball or a strike, great spot by the pitcher. I'm not blaming the umpire but the defense should have paid more attention to how many outs there were and to the umpires signals
The catcher even looked back and the umpire gave him the "no out" signal on that dropped strike. First off, you know you didn't tag him and you know the ball hit the dirt. You shouldn't even have to ask the umpire for any assistance and simply throw the ball to 1st. This was an extremely painful lesson for the catcher and the rest of Hornell, a lesson that the 2nd baseman was already very aware of when he was trying to get the rest of his team's attention.
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The Umpires messed up on the play. Play should have been called dead as soon as the catcher put the ball in his pocket. I left a longer comment on the video if you want to find it and check it out or even pin it 😂. I’m not sure anyone else even realizes the umpires missed that.
Explain please....
@@youbluethatone1017 wrong
@@ronrichardson5966 🤦🏻♂️I am in fact 100% correct
Credit to the second baseman who was the only one aware too.
He knew.... it ain't over tills its over.
Well ... the second baseman was the only one on his team who was aware. The other team knew the rule and they used to it to pull out a victory from the jaws of defeat.
He is the one who blew it. He should have joined the celebration and maybe they get away with it.
@Panic Sector What a dumb take.
The umpires knew! Notice how they just kept watching as the runners and the batter-runner circled the bases.
Every team needs a player like the second baseman. Alert. He knew what was up. His teammates totally let him down. That kid is a winner in my book.
He shoulda went and asked the other team for a jersey and transfered right then and there
He looked like Andy Reid winning the punt pass and lick competition.
kuck
@dgdollaz 😂 35
He was obviously the ONLY BRAIN on the team!
The 2nd baseman was on point throughout this entire play...he tried to cover first at one point, went back to cover second and ultimately tried covering home plate...young man did everything you could ask a kid to do in this situation. Too bad his pleas fell on deaf ears.
Well, he didn't try to cover third.
😂😂😂😂
*Catcher:* I tagged him!
*Umpire:* No, he's safe.
*Catcher:* Not if I put the ball in my pocket and go celebrate.
*2nd Baseman:* _)
I watched this several times in different locations online. I never realized the catcher put the ball in his back pocket. This was the first replay that emphasized it, which made more sense why the infielder seemed like the only defensive player who knew what was going on but couldn't find the ball to do anything about it. Brutal way to lose any game, let alone a State Title game.
This was not a state championship game. It was a sectional title game , several games before a state title. One thing that got lost in this play is that Hornell lead 5-1 going into the bottom of the 7th and committed 2 errors before the final play. If either one of them had been a clean play, the game would have ended before the final batter.
My only question is, what made the catcher put the ball in his pocket after missing the tag and looking back to see the ump signaling safe? It may be a question only the catcher can answer, but im curious
i'm just glad that both teams got to celebrate the win
Cute!
They're still on the field arguing over who won...
😂
Yes, they both celebrated the win, didn't they. 😆 Now that's sportsmanship! It makes one feel good for both sides. After all, it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. ...and how you snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...and then stuff the ball in your back pocket, and have it bite you in the butt.
Love your sharp humor. 10/10 on my comedy meter!
I’m just glad the red team won.
There's the comment I was looking for.😂
Looked like they were playing with themselves
Unfortunately, I bet everything I had on the red team and lost it all.
@@terrybangley5416 I think you mean against instead of with…
The team in red is the Red Raiders.
Game winning Inside-the-pocket home run.
I chuckled at that..good one
Game-winning inside the park strikeout.
Very clever but the batter never scored just like he was never tagged out
The batter only needed to make it to 1st safely. He never scored, but the guys on 1st and 2nd when the play started scored the tying and winning runs.
I've been involved and a fan over a long period-having seen hundreds of thousands of plays and thousands of games and had never seen any player pocket a ball-till now. DUH!
Gotta love how the ump did absolutely nothing more than say the ball was in play and the runner was safe to attempt to advance. He didn't show any other indication that might tip the team off to their stupidity. It's not the ump's job to play the game for them. He just let everything unfold calmly and quietly. Excellent umping! They always say... don't count your chickens before they've hatched! In other words... celebrate when you know it's time and not before. Oops!
Actually the umpire should give a normal strike mechanic with the safe mechanic to indicate that the ball was dropped. He instead gave the emphatic third strike mechanic which should be reserved for the out.
Yes he did. He gave the safe sign when the catcher turned around.
@@jtothac5364 He should have given a routine strike signal and the safe mechanic as soon as the ball hit the ground.
@@MaydayAggro you can still do the called 3rd strike mechanic and then still signal safe for the ball being dropped!
@@Michael-gu5kl I was referencing the overhand out mechanic, not the called third strike mechanic.
When the coaches watch the replay, they will clearly see the safe call at home plate AND all umps not leaving the field. They can have no complaints. What they DO have is great video for teaching situational baseball to the next set of kids.
Ugh, that catcher really blew it. He looked right at the ump who signaled safe but he totally disregarded it. The other horrible part is he put the game ball in his pocket. Had he just dropped it where he stood the 2bman could have saved his ass
Not really he had a lot of money on the game and is rumored to be somewhere in the Bahamas living the life right now
He was afraid to make the throw. Air mail it down the line, so he hoped the ump would give him the championship. Not how life works 😊
My guess was that when the catcher turned to look at the ump, he just misread the umps safe signal as an out signal... meaning he did tag the runner, which no one else (except the batter) will ever know if he really did.
Actually once he put the ball in his pocket the play is dead, umpires call time and award bases, which in this case would’ve been 1st for the batter runner and 3rd base for R2. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor
That’s silly. That means if a fly ball is hit to the wall, and the fielder knows he has a weak arm and no hope of throwing home in time, he can just put the ball in his pocket and the inner is just awarded the next base?
It’s not rare for the winning team to end the game on a strikeout, however, it is rare when it is the winning team that was struck out
Really good situational awareness by home team.
I feel bad for the one guy that knew what was going on!
Shout out to the 2nd baseman for being alert and after the winning run crosses home plate he walks off. Notice he didn't go and yell at the ump, he took the L like a champ.
It's the only way he could be a champ that day 💀
Yeah, he did everything he could, and then just let it go.
My heart aches for him. You know hes devastated by how emotional he was while trying to ppl to pay attention and you see him looking for the ball. Man….I feel broken for that kid.
Btw, I was also a second baseman.
He wasn't the only one someone was shouting "there's only 2 outs "
That poor second baseman will never forget this game. It was the championship, for goodness sake, and he was just helpless.
I was thinking he’ll have literal nightmares about it for years to come.
Imagine being the catcher. 🤦♂️
That catcher will never forget it either.
I actually felt bad for him. He's helpless nobody is listening or realizes that they haven't won anything yet but him.
69th like, giggity
The catcher snatched a defeat for his team from the jaws of victory.
👏👏🤣😂
Nice! I wish I would have come up with this saying! Perfect!
@@robertb3077 It's an old saying.
@@robertb3077,
Original version is:
"From the jaws of Defeat, he snatched victory"
or
"He snatched Victory from the Jaws of Defeat"
Even crazier is that Hornell was up 5-1 when Pal-Mac went up to bat in that final inning lol And even crazier than that is that directly before that last at bat, the score was 5-3 w/ 2 outs, and the batter popped one high in the air and came down near the mound. All the pitcher had to do was catch this extremely simple pop up that came directly to him, but he stumbled and fell down as the ball hit his glove and he dropped it. Then this happened. Talk about brutal!!
Pressure situations are tough for some people. This proves that.
Greg Norman at the Masters type collapse....
It's not "all he had to do." It was a hard play
I was a member of the junior league championship team in 1982. Won the World Series. I’m 54 yrs old now and I still remember every moment of that final game. For a team to loose like this is crazy. That catcher will feel some kinda way for the rest of his life. Wow😮
My mom didn’t allow me to play baseball. She thought that parents yelled and took it too seriously. I wish I had been allowed to play. I’m 62 and probably too old to start now.
Heads up play by the batter for never giving up and taking what he was given.
. . . although continuing to run beyond 2nd base was a mistake. His run was meaningless, and by being off base, he could have been tagged for the third out before the two runners ahead of him scored.
Running to 2nd would have been the correct thing had the 2nd runner been held on third as that would have eliminated a force play at 2nd base on the subsequent batter.
In any event, that will have to go down as the biggest bonehead play of that catcher's life. Let's hope anyway.
don't even try that.
@@jhandle4196 Seriously! Not too baseball savvy are you? The batter has coaches, sometimes experienced teammates, at first and third telling him to run or stay. They knew what was up and kept him running. No risk!!
Actually, that’s bad Umpire mechanics as well. When the tag is applied and he misses the tag the Umpire needs to give that safe sign just like a banger not a half ass safe sign. This is the most important play the game.
@@jsalt40you can see catcher isn't arguing he tagged him. He's trying to argue that there's a guy in first so the rule doesnt apply. He keeps pointing to first and he never tries to get the runner out. I'm not even sure he really tried to tag him. He's so focused on pointing to first and then just takes it for granted that he's right and goes to celebrate. If he really believed the runner could take first and the other runners advance then he would have seen the ump shake is head and signal safe and thrown to literally anywhere.
This is what we call a life lesson.
And that’s the most important reason for youth sports, so it’s perfect
That catcher was so dumb, because he was aware the umpire called him safe but just ignored it, and then he doesn't listen to a couple of his teammates telling him to take the ball out of his pocket.
..from which I guarantee you few will learn, including coaches.
yup
whats the lesson? the catcher obviously did it on purpose
I use to play baseball and never understood the reason for the third strike rule. I just looked it up, and I guess I still don't understand why it was kept.
But after watching this video Im kind of glad. We would have been denied this weird, insane "celebrate to early" moment.
It's a easy rule to understand if it's a 3rd strike and the catcher drops the ball its a live ball ..
@@kingshit420w Did I say I didn't understand it? No I said I didn't understand why it was a rule in the first place and why it was kept.
Keep up.
@@vh8542 oh jeez my bad bro
Actually I’ve been a die hard baseball fan my entire life, I am 57 years old, and I still don’t understand why this rule exists, but it’s still the rule in every level of baseball. I should also say that while it doesn’t happen in every game, it actually occurs more than people realize. (The dropped 3rd strike.) It’s just that 99% of the time, the batter is either tagged out or the catcher throws to first, it would never end this way. This is probably more information than you want, but I have seen a few times where the batter makes it to 1st base before the throw, in which case he is safe and the inning continues, but again, never like this. It’s a weird rule I really don’t like, but to your point, it can create some excitement from time to time.
I'd say it's that the defense needs to control the ball for an out to be recorded.
Just like the first baseman needs to catch the ball at first to record an out.
Nice, This an example of Friendship, both Team decided to celebrate the championship. Everyone won.
The coaches were arguing with the umpire WHILE the other team was still running the bases.
Gives me a clue how and why the team so expertly choked.
this is what i was saying. everyone is gonna blame the catcher (and yes, it was his fault for not making the right play) but this is ultimately a reflection of poor coaching.
@@paulpinball9952 I can tell your comment game is well coached...I even got a bit choked up in admiration.
No they weren't, that was a player. The coaches didn't come over until after the winning run crossed.
@@paulpinball9952 except this comment isn't true at all. The coaches didn't arrive until after the winning run was scored. Try watching it for yourself once.
2nd Baseman should be coaching this team. Well done trying to save the ship sir!
Thank you Matt for showing this video. A very good learning lesson
Thanks for watching!
Nobody to blame but the buffoon of a catcher on that play...dropping the ball, not tagging the batter, not throwing to first, and then disregarding the umpire's call.
The thing to remember is it is ONLY A GAME!!!!!
One of my favorite video compilation types is early celebrations. This will get added to those quick.
Great breakdown of the play and the call. I would feel sorry for the other team had the ump signaled out to the catcher and then let everything play out, but the home plate ump, field ump, second baseman and the base runners were all aware the ball and play were live.
Walk off strikeout to win the game for the offense, don't see that every day.
I’m curious if that’s 2 RBIs
@Stephen Adams I don't believe so. Walks and hit by pitches to my understanding aren't runs batted in, to bat in a run is to put the ball in play and score a run as a result of a hit or sacrifice.
@@rileyesmay I believe it's scored as a strikeout and an error on the catcher and therefore no RBIs
@@rileyesmay A walk is certainly an RBI, that much I know
@@IHateNicolasCage You are correct. Just looked it up on MLB. All errors and double plays do not count as RBI's, everything else does. I would assume this would be an error on the catcher and hence no RBI's
It's amazing that at 0:27 when they are asking the catcher where the ball is, he looks at them and does the "safe" sign, which is the same sign her misinterpreted as "yeah, you're good."
Baseball is the most intellectual game out there. You must be mentally aware of what's happening on every pitch and think 2 or 3 steps ahead which is why whenever a fielder catches a fly ball out they almost always hold up 1 or 2 fingers to remind everyone how many outs there are.
It's always a good thing to know the rules of baseball. Great heads up by the batter...Genius move.
I think the catcher did know, he was posturing up to throw and said "Naw, let's jump up and down."
He knew if 1st base was occupied the batter couldn’t run with 1 out . He failed to know that if there is 2 outs an 1st base is occupied the runner an batter can run to force a play !
@@cisnerosd84 When I was a youngster, I played base ball (2 words) and watched it on TV (The great Curt Gowdy announcing) and learned rules by watching.
I suspect these youngsters play video games, which I understand fully, and don’t know a lot of rules, but they made it to Jom Boy (2 words)!!!!!!
I want to know what the catcher thought the umpire was communicating to him. The umpire is signaling "safe" and then the catcher starts celebrating. Just odd.
Same thing I was thinking. The catcher knew what was going on and looked back to the ump for assurance. The ump said safe while the catcher was looking at him and then the catcher just starts celebrating.
@@jordanmadden7388 And then later, once he realized what was happening, the catcher looks back at the ump and makes the “safe” sign himself! What does he think that gesture means?!
@@bernier42 he probably thought the ref wanted to say "game over"
He clearly thought the ump was confirming it was safe to celebrate.
The kid looked back at the ump & confused the call... Not rocket science
I played high level ball in the 80’s and 90’s. We had brain cramps too. Fortunately, they weren’t seen by hundreds of thousands of people.
We had 1 guy who never homered all year. Got his first home run of the season and forgot to step on home plate. They appealed and he was out.
Gotta feel for everyone involved.
I've always been very thankful that I finished high school right around the time social media/smart phones started becoming a thing. Like there were maybe 3-4 kids in my class that had a cellphone by the time I graduated high school....just a few years later, and every kid started getting smartphones. I'm thankful none of my stupid thing I did, were caught on camera and posted on the internet for thousands, tens of thousands or millions of people to see (not JUST sports either lol).
I had $30 and went all in, two guys had a side pot for a few hundred. AT SHOWDOWN:
*I yelled like **#JessePinkman*
_(Yeah B🤬🤬ch!)_
*slammed my cards in excitement* …and _ONE CARD_ *slightly* touched the muck. *THEY CALLED MY HAND DEAD.* 💔
It’s $90 but that hand *HAUNTS ME* like a wish fulfilled curse by my worst enemy, who requested a *psychological* low level voodoo curse that would HURT ME but not INJURE ME the rest of my life❗️
Was his name Bob Sacamano?
@@neilwoller Art Vandalay
When I coached kid's baseball, I always told them when in doubt hold onto the ball and walk / run to home base! That way you can sort out what is going on and no one can score! The amazing thing is at least one of the players knew they messed up!
NEVER QUIT UNTIL THE UMPIRE SAYS, "GAME OVER!" (BASES LOADED, SCORE 7-8, 2 OUTS. MY BROTHER'S UP. HE DECIDED TO BUNT THE BALL BUT STEPS ON THE PLATE. "YOU'RE OUT!" WE LOSS AND TAKING THE TITLE OF LAST PLACE. THANK YOU, BRO, 🥲 🤪💦⚾️ KEEP THE LOSING PITCH.
I don't want to call out a kid too much, but like.... I don't understand the Catcher here. He Knew he dropped it, he knew the runner ran, he knew he didn't tag him, he knew to look at the Ump for a call, he knew the play was still going on.... I don't understand.
And then also of all things...you put the ball in your back pocket? I could see dropping it, throwing it... but pocketing it?
And this all takes so long... it's almost 24 seconds for it to play out. How'd he 100% know this was happening, like, forget, and then ignore people screaming for the ball
I had the same reaction. All I can think is that he looked over, confirmed there was a runner at first, and forgot about the two outs thing ... otherwise, who knows?
I think the catcher feels like or knows he tagged the runner and assumed the game was over. Maybe the ump didn't see the tag so it's not over. As another commentator stated, it should be a tie game after the catcher put the all out of play (in his pocket.) It's like an overthrow into the stands for example, the runners all can advance one base only. The ump fucked up. Should have been tie game runners 2nd and third, next batter up.
@@krissantana4660 So everytime they can just pocket to ball to avoid having runners only advance 1 base, seems abusable, I mean, in what way is it out of play? Its litterally in his pocket where he put it himself, can just take it out again.
@@krissantana4660 I think that's usually 2 bases from where the runners are at the time it's out of play, so I think the winning run would be in anyway.
But also I'd doubt someone putting it in their pocket would count as 'out of play' he can easily access the ball.
@@krissantana4660 No the umps called it correct.
He pointed to first to imply that there was a runner at first, forgetting that with two outs the batter can take off with dropped third strike.
Exactly
Hey hey! Ho ho!
That dropped-3rd-strike-rule has got to go!
@@mylesmarkson1686 ABSOLUTELY NOT. It's just another reason why it's the perfect game, Abner thought of everything. Even 60 ft and 60.6 have held up remarkably well for more than 100 years despite the increases in size strength and speed. "Baseball, Ray. It was baseball...."
@@paineintheass233 Hey hey! Ho ho!
3 strikes you're out, so hit the road!
I think your right. I assumed the catcher thought he made the tag (but, even though you can’t possibly tell from the only angle available) it sure doesn’t look like he did. But I think you’re spot on - he thought with a runner on one it was an automatic out.
He forgot that half the rules in baseball contain the phrase “except if there are two down”!
The thrill of victory and agony of defeat. All in 20 seconds.
Except for the second baseman, he was the only one who didn't celebrate a victory.
I went to school in the next town over from Hornell, my friend went to school there, and another friend teaches there now. Definitely sharing this video with them.
That catcher makes Garry Sanchez look like a genius!
Never thought I would see an strike out home run, or RBI strike out, but here we are.
There's no RBI on an uncaught third strike.
Technically not a home run cause the batters own run would not count even though he touched home plate. There were runners on first and second, so the game score would have ended 6-5.
a Walk Off, inside the Park Strikeout...to win the Championship.
🙃
@@SmedleyButlerIII I was something I always simulated as a kid,
As a former umpire of 22 yrs, I was always impressed by the catchers that would introduce themselves to me at the games start and then ask me what my mechanics are for a dropped 3rd strike.
Those catchers are well trained and unfortunately far & few between games.
LOL! Did they also ask you about your strike zones and if it was 1" off the plate and way inside, if that was a strike?
@@DAD0123 lmao
Um, aren't the mechanics for a dropped third strike the same for everyone? Or do umpires get to make up their own rules from game to game?
@@Durwood71 'mechanics' refers to gestures, voicings, etc. How the umpire signals the call. It does not refer to the rules, the rules are the same.
I feel for the 2nd baseman. But at least he can say that he didn't screw this one up.
I feel like that 2nd baseman every day of my life.
I know exactly what you mean.
😂😂😂😂
That’s pretty stinking funny!
One of the few signs of intelligent life on Hornell Baseball.
@Swords to Plowshares Yes! Especially at work. 😅
The Ump clearly gives the catcher a safe sign as he didn't call the batter out ,but still continues to act like they had won the game. Why would the catcher call his own shots and act like he did tag the batter when in fact he didn't? Wouldn't more guys on the defensive team look around and see the players from the other team rounding the bases and maybe think something is going on here?
I don't think the catcher was acting like he tagged the batter. When he pointed to first base, I think he was indicating (might have even said) that there's a runner on first. He thought that the uncaught third strike rule wasn't in effect because of the runner on first, but he was wrong due to the fact that there were 2 outs.
@@roughrider3591 Now it makes more sense. Thank you.
This is the last out of a championship game. Tensions are high and the catcher just just got a bit a head of him self and celebrated to early. Life lesson for sure.
@@roughrider3591 exactly what i think also. That's why you hear them screaming 2 outs it is in reference to with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the base is occupied.
Happened once in a Detroit Tiger v Twins game, but not at the end of the game. Tiger pitcher Earl Wilson struck out but the ball was trapped. The Twins all went to their dugout. 1st or 3b coach noticed the trap and told Wilson, who then went back out and ran the bases. Was laughing out loud. Twins finally noticed by the time Wilson rounded 3rd and one of them got their in time and made the tag.
Thank you for explaining the rules a bit and showing us what happened. I don't know much at all about baseball and I didn't know what was happening whrn I saw the video elsewhere with no explanation. :)
I can’t thank you enough for this breakdown. Watched and played baseball all my life (I’m 50) but never understood the third strike dropped ball scenario until now. Great explanation and fantastic breakdown of this completely FUBAR play. Cheers from Boston
It took me a while to understand. Two outs and a dropped third strike you must throw them out no matter what bases are occupied.
Less then two outs you only have to throw to first if first base is empty, otherwise it could be a “cheap double play” since the runner on first would have to run to second and if first and second are occupied the runner on second has no chance to make it home and if bases are loaded all the catcher would have to is pick up the ball tag home and throw to third for two easy outs.
How have you watched something that long and don’t know the rules? I didn’t play baseball growing up and am really not much of a fan of watching it on TV, and even I knew that rule.
@@CaliBorn73 Thank you for your constructive participation. You sound like you’re a lot better than I will ever aspire to be.
@@DougMacRay It's literally something that was taught at the little league level And maybe your time would be better served by actively learning about the things you enjoy instead of making comments and replies on the internet. But you do you, chief.
@@CaliBorn73 I never said I played Little League, varsity, college or AAA. I’ve just played pick up games all my life at at the recreational level. Rare occurrences like the dropped third strike, balks etc are never enforced in that context.
I can tell your a man whose easily offended and triggered when you don’t get things your way. To make you feel like you accomplished something here, I’m going to give all your comments Thumbs Up to help your self esteem, as it’s clear you have none.
Oh, never made Chief. I was boots-on-the-ground for my thirty-one years of service doing the work you ordered me to do.
Cheers from Boston ☘️
* Edited 06/06/2023. To make content more inclusive to those who were offended by my lack of knowledge of the rules of baseball.
I don’t watch baseball, but I enjoy your videos. Makes me wish there was a hockey version. I ref youth hockey, and so many strange plays that could benefit from a channel that explains things well as you do.
hockey blows
There's no stupid rules in hockey that overcomplicate things like this. Baseball is a trash game.
@@isthatujeebus the rules may not be as confusing, but there are so many examples that players, fans, and coaches can’t grasp. Try explaining to coaches why a player can’t come out of the box when a penalty expires when they have three penalties and let them know the first player comes out when the second is done, the second player comes out when the last penalty is done, and the last player has to wait for a whistle. I’ve had coaches threaten me with violence because they don’t grasp the concept.
Or try explaining that just because a player falls from contact with a stick, it isn’t tripping. If the player is making a play on the puck and is touching the puck with his stick, it’s not a tripping penalty if the other player trips over the stick.
@@WowOafus lol, fair point. That 3 penalty thing is because you can only go down to 3 men on the ice and if the first player comes back on at the end of his penalty they would only be one man down despite still having two guys in the box, right?
Can't wait to see a Jomboy breakdown of this! I hope there's good enough video for him to do a lip-reading!
What's a Jomboy?
it’s in one of his weekly dumb videos, but it does not have a breakdown yet.
@@gothard5 weekly dumb? What are you talking about?
Fantastic job by the ump. I had this happen to me when I umpired and let’s just say the defending team was very unhappy with my correct call lol. Rules are rules
That 2nd baseman gonna feel like Uncle Rico the rest of his life 🤣
That's a prime example of knowing the rules paying off big time !
At the end you can see the catcher giving the safe sign. Wonder what he thought that meant when he saw the umpire do it.
Probably thought the ump was signaling game over
@@MultisportOfficial Is that a thing? I mean, I have no better guess but…
@@bernier42The kid looked back at the ump & just confused the call
@@bernier42 The game over signal does look somewhat similar to a safe call. The umpire will make 2 fists then bring them to his chest and then back out almost as if making a safe call. The umpire could have been more deliberate with his safe call in this situation.
That isnt so much a SAFE sign at that point as it is a DECLINED or NOT SUCCESSFUL sign. Its used that way on appeal for a check swing, or if an appeal is made to a base. The umpire was acknowledging a tag was not successfully made, not that anyone was safe.
You gotta know the rules, even the weird ones. But the big take-away here is about being preoccupied with celebrating. If not for that there were any numbers of players and coaches and fans telling them about their mistake. Hats off to the batter and base runners for keeping cool heads in the game!
It's not a weird rule at all. I hate the game and even I was aware of that one.
I’m guessing the catcher thought he completed the tag and the umpire missed it. But you should always just throw to 1st just in case. Especially if you don’t hear the umpire call the runner out.
I've seen a catcher drop the third strike with two outs and the bases loaded. He picked up the ball and stepped on home plate to force out the runner on third, ending the inning.
Yes, but the bases were not loaded on this play. There were just runners on 1st and 2nd, so stepping on home plate wouldn’t have done him any good
@@pauljones6212 Yes, you're correct. But simply holding the ball at the plate would have mitigated any further damage. No out would have been recorded, but no runs would have scored.
Just glad the two teams players are easy to tell apart.
The 2nd baseman should've dragged the catcher by the throat and tagged the base runner with his head.
This is why baseball is so DEEP. So many unique situations.
Baseball sucks 😂😂
“Not here to call out the team or catcher”
..but puts arrow above catcher 😂
Classic
I believe he meant not to call them out for their stupidity as he had to show us what happened in detail.
😂😂😂
Most excellent description and explanation of this remarkable event
Batter and 2b know baseball is life.
The catcher was more worried about putting the ball in his back pocket. At that point the game was over. Great awareness by Pal-Mac. The errors in the bottom of the 7th is what really lost this game.
@@paddyb456 That was the dagger for sure but have you seen the whole bottom inning? The errors were brutal.
The ball in his pocket was live the whole time.
@@AEMoreira81 yes it was!
He wanted a championship souvenir. What he got was a toxic reminder to his own game-losing error. That sucks.
@@JohnL-qe4pi I do feel bad for the young man.
Baseball never ceases to amaze me. Love your videos!
It's amazing that after more than a century and hundreds of thousands of games, we can still see something in baseball that we've never seen before.
@@avlisk Very true!!
That second baseman is probably still waking in a terror, covered in sweat, from his recurrent dream where he is about to win the World Series but instead of making the final out the catcher express mails the ball to Mongolia.
I like when the announcer says “wait a minute Hornell’s gotta pay attention”. Apparently so do you because you were oblivious too 😁
I think everyone is forgetting how young these brains are. The catcher's brain quickly switched when he saw his friends celebrating. The pitcher certainly was (the leader of the D) and my guess is he couldn't throw it to 1st because the 1st baseman was prob celebrating. Horde mentality is everything at this age, especially within a team culture. He looks to even get dogpiled. The fact others ran onto the field also created an unique situation but the ump did the right thing by letting the chaos just play out. A real bummer of a situation and something they'll think about forever.
You're the only person besides me (when memorializing the late Howard Cosell) who says, "an unique," so cheers on that! These are high-schoolers, so they will be voting before we know it. It's all becoming clearer to me now.
The catcher is the leader of the defense, not the pitcher....The cat her runs the field and makes the calls....An epic mistake
No i played sports since age 4. I always knew the rules, I was that second baseman. These are not "children"... If the 2nd baseman has a brain they all do. Lmao🤣 stop trying to protect idiotic and dumb plays.
@@paulpinball9952 I think you’re far from rare in saying/writing “an unique”. It seems most people are taught to use “an” when the following word starts with a vowel. That’s not the rule though… you use “an” when the following word starts with a vowel _sound_. So you should write “a unique” (since unique starts with a consonant sound… “younique”). Similarly it should be “an hour” since the h in hour is silent.
Interesting strike zone
Yeah, that’s a ball all day…
@@ericsimonson8540 In high school umps tend to have a more liberals strike zone
High school strike zones were wild. Good on this kid. Don't argue, just run.
Juuuuuust a bit inside
@@petebreadwards8737 pretty much of the catcher could get to it without looking like he was off-balance it was a strike
the easiest way to think about when the dropped third strike rule comes into effect is to consider that the motivations are the same as the infield fly rule -- it doesn't apply when there's an opportunity to turn a cheap double play by botching the play (in this case, dropping the third strike) on purpose
How would you turn a double play with two outs?
@@andrewlittle3137 He means if there was zero or one out and a runner on first, the catcher could deliberately drop the 3rd strike, then go to 2nd for the force (now that the runner has to vacate first to allow the batter to run there) and then to 1st for the double play. As he says, same as the infield fly rule. So by not making it mandatory to tag the batter on a dropped 3rd strike with less than 2 outs, this situation is eliminated.
Exactly. In MLB just this week, guy on first with one out. Line drive to the shortstop, who deliberately dropped the ball, threw to second and then over to first for a double play. Umpire called the batter out and put the runner back to first.
@@adamcoe bingo! thank you Adam for elaborating
Commentator: “ And Hornell wins it, uhh, Hornell has to pay attention”..Apparently, he thought they won too😂
The 2nd baseman deserves to be on the winning side. He’s lucky because he only just needs to change the shade of his pants and he’s already wearing the other team’s jersey!
What’s amazing is the winning players knew the rules. The losing team didn’t. I’m guessing the winning team was better coached, especially since the losing coaches are arguing with the umpire.
I'm not sure they didn't know the rule tbh. Looked more like the kid confused the umps call & when he started to celebrate they all just followed suit
The second baseman on the losing team definitely knew the rule.
@@camicawber They all did It seemed more like he misread the call & they followed suit celebrating
You don't make it to state w/o good coaching. Just one gigantic brain fart.
They clearly know the rules. The catcher tried to tag the hitter and then looked at the ump. For some reason the catcher didnt comprehend that the ump signaled safe
I remember the good old days of baseball when your coaches would teach you the rules and practice in game situations to boost your baseball I.Q. when everyone on the team knew how to bunt properly.
How could you possibly know how they've been coached?
Maybe, the catcher wasn't paying attention, the day the coach taught them the rules, and had them practiced in game situations.
Maybe... the catcher was related to the umpire, and thought he'd get a pass for that?
This was all about ONE player; not the entire team.
@@Seemsayin it's definitely about an entire team, minus the second baseman, he was the only one who knew what was going on. The coaches weren't yelling at their team to tag one of the runners, they went to the ump to complain after. That shows me they didn't know what was going on either. It's mostly the catchers fault but the pitcher and coaches should have definitely known what was going on
@@CoutureThug Gregorio... This reply is longer than I expected it to be. Please... read through it.
In my opinion (and I could very well be completely wrong), the catcher was the ONLY player at fault. This kid took an "in play" ball, hid it in his back pocket, and tried to persuade everyone that he made the tag, and that the game was over. He did all of that with NO assistance. He had attempted to deceive everyone, and cheat the other team. We also wonder where a kid would learn to deceive, to not play fair, to steal. Who's fault would that be? Would it be the coach's fault? The parent's? The other players? Their other friends? All of them? Unless you know... you don't know.
I don't have a problem with him not making the tag, nor not throwing the ball to first base. After he saw the umpire rule the runner safe, he hid the ball (or pretended that he didn't see the umpire's ruling), and started to cheer, pretending that the game was over. He KNEW the runner had been ruled safe, but acted likewise, anyway.
ANY coach will go out there and argue, or ask WTF? After all... this was a championship game. However... Do we know for certain what was being said when the coach talked to the umpire? No. We don't. Except for the catcher, and the umpire, I don't think anyone else knew exactly where the ball was.
If the coach was trying to get the umpire to see it his way, or coercing him to change his mind, under false pretenses... then I could understand not having any faith in the coach's training abilities, and thus... effecting the entire team. BUT... we don't know exactly what anyone said. And you can't assume anything. Even if the team's coach was THE best coach on the planet, players WILL ultimately react in any direction they see fit. Let's not forget that these boys are teenagers, and prone to misbehave. Even possessing, and teaching the best information... "You can lead a horse to water. But, you can't male him drink."
We know, for certain, that the catcher had the ball, the entire time, and pretended that the runner was tagged out, after seeing the umpire's "safe" ruling, and then put the ball in his pocket. Other than the catcher... we don't know what any other person is like, because we don't know. Until we do... anything else is speculation, in my opinion.
@@Seemsayin if the coaches didn't see the ump give the safe sign when the catcher missed the tag in such an important game then they failed their team as well. I saw one guy running around like he couldn't find his parents in the mall, the rest wee celebrating or standing around confused. The second baseman knew what was going on because he had baseball i.q. how was it he knew but the pitcher who is standing closer to the play didn't see? They figure since there was a runner on first that the batter is automatically out even if the pitch is dropped but that isn't the case with two outs. It's a live ball, and only one player knew.
@Gregorio Gonzalez It doesn't matter who else knew, or what anyone else was doing or thinking. The point is... the catcher acted inappropriately, and the umpire ruled accordingly. Everything else was just the circumstances of the catcher's actions. The catcher's actions, and the umpires ruling are the only concrete events that mean anything.
I thought you were more concerned about the integrity of those involved.
As the umpire here, I have Dropped third strike, mechanically, this was handled well. I have the C putting the ball out of play intentionally when he tucks it in his pocket, first runner scores, runner fron first goes to third and batter runner is awarded 2d base for intentionally putting a ball out of play (lodged ball). Situation is tie score runners on 2d and 3d, 2 out, bring up the next batter.
As someone who just started watching baseball, I think everyone should get a trophy.
@@josephmiller4616 I think only the red team should.
Very interesting! I was wondering about that
I wouldn't call it the way you describe. The rule you quote about the ball out of play covers when the ball is inadvertently put out of play, like the ball over thrown into the stands or the ball is lodged in some in accessible place. Intentionally holding the ball by the catcher is not the same thing. For all intents and purposes, he is still in control of the play and play should not be stopped by the umpire because the ball is still available. How this played out is exactly the right call on the part of this umpire. The defensive team still has the ball to put back into play but they don't. Everyone should be allowed to advance as far as they can. In this case the bases are cleared.
I don't get the coaches arguing with the umpire. If they want to yell at anyone, gather their team around, except the second baseman, and rip them a new one for being idiots. Then learn to actually coach your team about the rules of the game.
I too wondered about Detached Equipment when I heard him say catcher put it in his back pocket,
but I think I agree with @cdjhyoung..never really seen a play where they intentionally Detached Equipment to Allow the other team to score 😆
at that point....it's on you dude.
Just tag one of these guys running the bases and lets all get outta here
2cd basemen was only one who knew…good on ya bro.. tried covering 1st base 2cd then home.. with ball in catchers pocket
Tough lesson learned. Two of my children were catchers. This was drilled into them. Finish the play!
Not only did they win it was a “inside the park home run “ 😂😂😂
An inside the park homerun isn't as rare as it sounds. An inside the baseline homerun, however...
The biggest mistake on the field this day was letting both teams wear red
Certainly one team had white and/or gray jerseys. This should not have been permitted.
"Championship Game Ends With Losing Team Celebrating Thinking They Won, a breakdown."
This reminds me of the Winnipeg Goldeyes, when they were playing the Wichita Wingnuts. The Wingnuts thought they had won a championship, but it was a balk. But they celebrated. The Goldeyes rallied to win the series. I was at the game.
That was classic situational baseball. Wow. The winning team was well coached on first and third and disciplined enough to listen and focus on the coaches at the corners.
Nobody mentioning #9, the batter. In the park, walk off, game winning, home run on a called 3rd strike. I’ve been a baseball player and fan for all my 65 years. That is a first, never heard of such a thing. Awesome 🤩
I was thinking that it was a shame the bases weren't loaded. An inside the park grand slam on a strikeout would've been hilarious
@@TheGuitarsquatch yeah, that would have been incredible ⚾️
Watching the professionals, children learn to celebrate to their maximum ability.
Give 110% to the celebration.
Both teams knowing what it's like to win!
Great analysis! Thank you!
"He struck out to win the championship"🤣
Love how the manager does his inevitable arguing at the end. Lol. Baseball makes me laugh
There was a really good HS softball team here that got knocked out of the playoffs in districts 2 years ago. 7th inning, runner on 3rd with 2 outs. Catcher for some reason decides to walk to ball back to the circle. Until the ball is in the circle, it's still live. Runner took off for home and scored and knocked them out and they could have won states too.
They were tied in the bottom of the 7th inning with a runner on 3rd. How are you so sure they would have won state championship if they're in that situation? Then to make a boneheaded mistake like that I don't think they would have gotten very far.
@@darklordojedathey said “could” have, not “would” have won state. Most likely based on their record/rank.
no shot they were going to win states making sped mistakes
@@bryanhayes9728 They also blamed the loss on the catcher walking the ball back to the mound with the winning run on third base in the bottom of the final inning. It was a district playoff round elimination game, not even the state tournament yet, so it's not likely they could or would have won state. Any team "could" win if they just score more runs right?
@@darklordojeda true, when I was coaching we “could have” won almost every game - if only….
I bet that was a quiet bus ride home. 😂
I just hope the 2nd baseman calls the catcher every name in the book
If you pay attention its wasnt the second baseman it was actually the center fielder running all the way up. Which is even more impressive for him
2nd baseman was the one running frantically. Center field ran to home and can be seen talking to ump.
wrong - it was the 2nd baseman
it was the 2nd baseman
The catcher even said he was Safe at the end! Lol 🥴
Scrolling through the comments, I'm surprised nobody is mentioning what a terrible strike three call that was by the umpire. The pitch hit the ground in the batter's box. No possible way was that even close to the strike zone. I feel bad for the Hornell team losing this way but it is almost poetic justice that Pal Mac found another way to win.
That was a bullshit called strike. That umpire must have watched an awful of Eric Gregg when he was umpiring and copied his zone.
Is it legal for both teams to wear the same color jersey?
In baseball it effectively is, baseball is a very weird sport
that's what I'm sayin!!
I officiate basketball, this would never be allowed
Yeah. Most HS teams can only afford one jersey
I'd assume its because, unlike almost all other team sports, there are not equal player numbers or roles on the field at the same time. Meaning, in hockey you have 5 skaters on each team (ignoring penalties) on the ice at the same time, passing the puck between each other, hitting other team, etc... so being distinctive matters. In baseball, you have 1 batter, potentially some runners (wearing helmets to protect and differentiate) and otherwise everyone else on the field is defending the run. You can't really pass the ball to the wrong player, one guy has a mitt and one guy is wearing a helmet and sprinting away from the ball.
It makes for some ugly watching from a camera angle like this and I think it's stupid from a visual standpoint, but really there are like no opportunities to mess up plays based on jerseys like there would be in any other team sport that involves playing a more man-on-man style of sport.
I umpire and that strike call looked close enough to me it could have been called a ball or a strike, great spot by the pitcher. I'm not blaming the umpire but the defense should have paid more attention to how many outs there were and to the umpires signals
The catcher even looked back and the umpire gave him the "no out" signal on that dropped strike. First off, you know you didn't tag him and you know the ball hit the dirt. You shouldn't even have to ask the umpire for any assistance and simply throw the ball to 1st. This was an extremely painful lesson for the catcher and the rest of Hornell, a lesson that the 2nd baseman was already very aware of when he was trying to get the rest of his team's attention.
As they were the busting team, that must have been a fun bus ride back home lol
Who decided both teams would wear the same color jerseys - that was a brilliant decision. But love the breakdown of this video, what a crazy mixup!
that must of been some strike zone all game if that was a strike....damn
Was thinking something similar. Tough camera angle and quality, but definitely seemed like a generous strike zone.
@@GoatsAndChickens123 Umpires will do just about anything to get out of calling a close championship game.