Grain Bin Construction - Part 2
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- We finish the sidewalls of the 20,000 bushel Sukup Grain Bin!
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Pretty cool to see the steel our company produces being put to use in their end uses such as this. Sukup has been a good customer
I like the wrap around stairs much better than the ladder.
Our backs do too
Question Ryan: All this new construction on the farm the last 2-3 years, what is your total plan for the main farm? What buildings need to go down and what do you want in their place? What about your's and Travis's place? Could be a good 'Farm Plan' type video describing what you want, a drone shot with edited markings with you and Travis voicing over what goes where.
That would be awesome
Why didn't you build a corn storage floor dryer building,it would hold much more?
Great video, I watched a crew put up a concrete staves 60 ft silo in three days, it was amazing, the men hung on sailor seats on ropes to tighten the bands. This was in 1977. I think it was staves, slightly curved concrete 2.5 foot parts.
Everything was surely more extreme back then!
Years ago I worked a short time for a grain mill, and part of the job was installing Superior grain bins. We used hand crank jacks, but the same principle. The heavier sheets on the bottom. After the bin was up, something had to be done on top, I always got elected for that job. Heights didn't bother me. Your right about the bolts/nuts, lot's of impacting them down. It was a cool job working at the feed mill. It didn't pay much. The owner needed some welding done on a job, I could weld pretty decent. So I thought I had him over a barrell and I insisted on more money, a raise. Oh, he gave it to me, but as soon as the welding was done, he let me go. Lol.
Would look good with a How Farms Work logo on it.
Enjoying this series. Thanks!
Nice video, Ryan. It's always exciting to add improvements to the farm. To have enough grain storage is a great advantage so you don't have to wait at the elevator and makes for better marketing control. Good luck with harvest!!
We wish a healthy, peaciful and happy new year for you . Best Regards AYKUT COSKUN .
Man that’s some pretty country up there. Around here in South Carolina there’s just pine trees everywhere with small fields but I’d rather have pine trees and small fields than skyscrapers and parking lots any day. I bet y’all are glad that you got that bin up though with harvest sneaking up quick. It’ll be nice to have the extra storage too. As always great video!
Bin raising. As good as a barn raising!! Have a great rest of the weekend 🌞
Ryan love the video the construction of the Grain Bin . it was awsome .
Those are some fancy stairs, better than the ladder system :D
Yep love those stairs-- hate bin ladders... :) OL J R :)
Absolutely fascinating to see how Grain Bins are built
That was cool seeing how a bin is put up. I enjoyed all of your videos.
Never new how grain bins where built but now i know learn something new everyday
Excellent video Ryan! Pretty impressive of the bin construction
Wow, what a process - new meaning yo raising the roof.
Looked like a fairly simple build just a lot of blots to tighten.
yeah a lot of "blots" lol
Definitely!
Great video Ryan. Love watching all of them
Thanks for sharing Ryan..
Building bins are one of those jobs there’s things you love about them and things you hate especially the floor.
Great vid. Ik rain has been terrible glad it's sunny and dry again.
Hello early crew great video Ryan great looking bin.
Baby grain bin grew up!!!
It's still a baby.
No more limits on filling waiting on dryer loads to empty. Making the entire bin a dryer makes sense. It sure was a beautiful day. Wrap up will be wet outside but cool inside I bet. Thanks for the upload.
There other 20,000 bushel is also a drying bin, the only difference is this bin does not have the stirring system in it like the older one, so if they use it as a dryer it will be slower than the older one. Nothing has changed.
Setups in the 70s had dryers with a bin outside. Cenex Mondovi, Wi. North of Pelosi 200 miles. I built a few of those before college. A round baler with a hydraulic spear vs idiot blocks rocks also. Now for China to blink big time and prices to rebound on grain, hay and protein. The new bin pays for itself year 1.
@@eddeetz493 not sure what you mean a dryer with the bin outside?
@@eddeetz493 and for this bin to pay for itself in one season corn prices would have to reach at least $6 or more per bushel, which will not happen with the estimated harvest numbers.
Love your vids, can't wait to see the grain bin finished
what a cool video seeing how these go together.
I'd raise a family in there .
Looks very nice Ryan! It wen't up real smooth!
Good job nice bin
That was great!, I never knew how those bins were raised, cool process
I'd like to build one to live in. Not quite that large, however. Beautiful job!
Love your videos... Bin looks awesome, great addition to the farm!!!
Thanks Cassius!
Wow that's cool. Looks good next to the others
Great video, Ryan! Enjoyed watching it. You guys have done a great job. I love those drone shots at the end!
Looking great!
Very interesting, never seen a bin like that being built
One great video, thank You Rian
That is interesting I have always wanted to know how these grain bins were built.
Install the door before the last ring. It's a lot easier and won't leak as soon
Question about the old, collapsing bin... How is the concrete foundation? Would it be possible for a hopper bin to be set up on it in the future?
I was wondering about why it was so short.. I suppose you wouldn’t want to put the roof on when it’s forty feet in the air, would you? Very interesting way to assemble a grain bin.
I never would have guessed that's how those bins were built.
So awesome how this is done great job fellas
John Blackmann n
Looks good!
Nice job !
I actually work for Sukup manufacturing making the rings for the inside of the bin and the roof of the bin.
Very nice video, as always
Plz pray for the people who are facing hurricane in North Carolina like me and my family we would really appreciate it
Looks very good
No stirators isn’t a big problem. We find with our 40,000 bushel bins that just running the fan into winter and pulling a few loads out before it warms up in the spring prevents crusting. Worst case scenario you just need to let it dry a bit longer.
You need to pull out the core after its filled.
When the notification comes. I go to your page and the videos are not there right away. I have to go to the notification list and click the link. Just thought I would let you know. Maybe TH-cam should know.
It takes a while for the notification to show up in the list as well. Last night, Travis' video notification took 10 minutes on my PC hardwired to my router. It's even longer over wifi or cellular in my experience.
Bin raising. As good as a barn raising. Very nice!!🌞have a good rest of the weekend
Good looking bin, Ryan. I know it will serve you well. Regarding the two-acre hay field, in my mind, I'm imagining it will be eventually consumed by grain storage equipment or other farm infrastructure, although that will be years into the future before it happens. For now, it's a very convenient place for your guests to park during a Farm Day, and it's not a horrible piece of ground for growing hay. Use what you have, as they say. Thanks for the video.
You should of put up a 40,000 bushel grain bin
Do you have more specific videos of setting the jacks!?? I’m interested. Good sharing
Ryan, I am much impressed with the jack system over the cable and winch. I read the comments didn't see question related to the expense of the jacks it must be mucho many dollars. So I wonder if Sukup leases or rents the builder the system can you answer?
I'm sure anyone can get them, albeit I'm sure they are expensive.
0:40 it sounds like Bob marly’s song no woman no cry
check out Meyer Bro. grain in Elk Mound Wi. just put up 1.2 million bushel bin
Yeah the coop near us just build 2 - 1.5 Million bushel bins.
That had to be sore thumbs by the end of the day from pushing in all those bolts!
Love your Vide
Nice, well wear people:)
Great project completion(s), hope to see a grain leg in 2019-20 time frame should that be in the infrastructure plan and budget. Cheers, always great presentations.
Legs cost way to much. They should look into a pneumatic system.
Kusters will determine the most cost effective choice to make for moving grain. Augers maybe around for several seasons. Thanks for the observation on grain leg costs.
@@karlbrohammer9105 agreed and from experience of 40 years in the grain busibess, legs are the most expensive and costly way to move grain. The are expensive to buy, to put up and maintain. We store 400,000 bushels of grain are getting rid of our two legs and going to pneumatic. We replaced the dryer leg two years ago and the other one is being replaced next year.
Yeah, plus I've seen what can happen when a leg goes wrong... huge mess and $$$$ to fix it...
I see a LOT of pneumatic systems nowdays... most legs I see are either 1) been there a LONG time and paid for, so just cost of upkeep and maintenance to keep them going or 2) BIG operators that can justify the expense of a new leg.
Most everything other than that, seems to be going pneumatic...
Later! OL J R :)
@@lukestrawwalker well we have over 400,000 in storage and have converted everything after the dryer to pneumatic and want to replace the other leg in the next 2 years.
Liked the video of how this was constructed. One major missing piece was how the jacks were attached to the bottom ring, and were able to lift to the new level. They must temporarily attach, the lift made, lowered onto the last ring, removed, and reattached to the last ring for a "new bite." If they were bolted to the ring, I would have expected to see somebody on ladders removing the bolts, and filling the holes with "dead bolts" (no pun intended). I did not see that happening.
Hi Rightsideofthegrass, They were temporarily bolted, and then removed after each ring so they could have a new bite, as you suggested.
Thanks. Makes sense.
How do you keep the air flow space under the floor from clogging with grain dust? Is there enough airflow that it blows it clean as long as you dont the dust sit and get damp/crusty after you unload the bin?
Also with no stirator, but still a dryer, I guess the dryer on this bin is more for either minor adjusting or maintaining a moisture level? I.e. 16% corn going in, or keeping 15% corn at 15% even when ambient humidity is high. I know you said you dont plan on putting damp grain in this bin.
Yeah without a stirrator the grain will get too dry on bottom and still wet on top if you put wet corn in there. If it's down close to being dry (16-18% -ish) they can run some heat and air through it and bring it down to about 15% and it'll be good to go. If the corn coming out of the field is in the 20-23% range or wetter, it'll go in the first bin with the stirrator, get dried down with the heat and air with the stirrators running to mix it up and dry it more evenly, then once it's dry they'll just auger it over into this new bin and run some air through it or finish drying it down and it'll be good to go.
About 6-8 years ago, my BIL in Indiana that I help during planting and harvest season had "that kind of a year" where the corn simply WOULD NOT dry down below about 25% moisture or so in the field, no matter how long he waited. They were stuck picking all day loading corn in the bin, drying all night, and hauling it all out the next day in order to get it dry enough to not be docked badly at the elevator. Makes for a LONG harvest having to do it that way, but you do what you gotta do. That was back before I started going up to help. Makes it doubly hard when you only have ONE auger, a bunch of gravity wagons, and at the time, two tandem trucks to haul with.
A continuous dryer is a nice thing to have (like onelonleyfarmer has) but they're expensive to buy too... bin drying is cheaper but slower.
Later! OL J R :)
Looks like you could have a grain leg later on! Would you ever have a need to store soybeans or do you just sell them off as you harvest them. Where would you store some soybeans if it was like last year, were you started on beans first.
That's only a 6 ring too. I work for a Brock dealer and we build 10 ring bins. They take forever. Is this a 36 ft diameter or 48ft?
Hey love the video
did you end up putting an stirator in
What gauge of steel is that new bin, and how does it compare to your other bins
thx for the nice video ;-)
I think it was an exhausted day.
What was the cost of this?
OK, so I'm curious. When you lift the whole thing up, is the height pre-set on the hydraulic lifters or do you have to hold up a sheet panel next to it and say "whoa, stop there!" to the operator?
WT Farm Girl Videos I’m pretty sure they just have to guess, or hold up the panel and tell the. To stop I guess, not sure never done this before.
No chaulking at sheet seams?
How about a simple horizontal auger from bin to bin. That way you could fill either one without needing to move the elevator.
An auger like that is not so simple and is not cheap. First of all the bin and bin roofs would have to be strengthened to suport it. There would also have to be a stand to the ground to support it. It's a lot cheaper to move and auger.
Blazer adds a valid point. In our system we have an old batch drier in the first bin, it sits on the top ring and handles 1400 bu per batch which drops down to the floor and an auger comes in diagonally to the 2nd bin and a second auger continues on to the third bin. The augers are only 4" so while they may not move alot fast. It can easily keep up with the batch drier if we're taking off more than 3-4%. In our case it makes alot of sense as the drier is located in the top bin and prior to installing this system we had to auger the dry corn out into wagons and have. 2nd auger set up to fill each bin with the dry corn. Tedious at best. But each farmer designs their system to match their goals and often what's popular in that region.
I've got a bit of a height phobia and as soon as you started walking up the stairs with no handrail i squirmed😬😬
early to a upload for once!
that was interesting.
what about mice?
Wish I could do what Ryan does
What ever become of the a-holes on farm day?
Just started watching OLF & others dropped your name love putting stuff together wouldn’t be good at repetition Question
As your building/raising it what holds it down other than weight? Strange weather comes thru and I see Sister Betril, Mary Poppins or Dorthy & Toto¿
Thanx from the left coast near the Krapitol of California somebody else got to build my submarine I just got to play with it & fix as necessary
When would it be cost-effective to put in a permanent tower to allow you to load the bins without moving the auger around?
Nice job: Do you have to attach the bin to ground rods or lightening arrestors? Thanks for the video's.
217th!!!
I can almost see from my house.
Must have taken a million screws and bolts ! But, why does the bin not require vertical supports ? Just curious.
Strength from shape. The material strength (thickness of the sheet metal plus corrugations) and a cylinder is a strong shape overall. When it's full of corn, the sheets and their joining bolts are in tension, with some downward weight of the corn the walls hold up. Mostly it's tension. So long as everything is engineered right and LOADED EVENLY and nothing shifts, basically the tension forces are evenly spread and it works great.
If the corn gets loaded or unloaded unevenly, it puts a huge amount of force on one side and not the other, and that can cause a collapse or failure. If the sheets get old and thin, like the old bin, or have corrosion holes or other problems (like the old bin) the downward weight of the corn on the walls can cause the sheets to buckle like they did on the old bin. When sheets buckle, the grain they're holding back shifts, which can shift the loads and things can let go (break) and you can have a collapse.
Bigger bins have more reinforcement and vertical supports, at least partway up, depending on the size and capacity of the bin, and what's being stored in it (density of the grain, ie lbs/bushel). Thicker sheets as well.
Strength from shape is typically used in virtually everything, from design of cars to components to bridges to buildings. Where minimizing weight is the most important factor, like in aerospace, "strength from shape" is taken to an extreme and found in its most elegant form... For instance, the Atlas missile that launched John Glenn and the other Mercury astronauts into space in the early 60's, was made of stainless steel bands welded together, that were no thicker than a dime. The missile was SO thin, in fact, that it would collapse under its own weight if it were not kept pressurized with compressed gases, like a car or truck tire. Once it was filled with compressed gases, or with fuel (kerosene and liquid oxygen) and the tanks pressurized to proper flight levels, the structure was very rigid... enough to fly through the air into space at thousands of miles per hour... Similar to how a semi-truck tire can hold up thousands of pounds of weight with nothing but compressed air inside.
Later! OL J R :)
So the damaged bin why cant you just remove the bottom (damaged ring ) and then you would have a smaller bin to us? or just get a new ring for the bottom?
The foundation is part of the problem, and the only good rings are the top. It was more economical to just build a new bin.
You also gained 10k storage
i have a question i know you did not talk about this but when you had dairy cows what did you feed them tabls
If you had no market for your corn , what would you do with it ?
sir please , please , and please tell me that how much money is needed to install a 50,000 bushell grain bin and iow much time it takes.
Thanks for the video the bin looks great. If you decide you need more storage can you add more rings to that bin to get more bushels in it. Looks like you guys had nice weather to put it up. Have a great afternoon
Probably not, the pad is designed to hold that size bin and that bin is engineered to be the size it is.
The farming life apparently you didn't watch the video the bins are built so the auger reaches he tells you that at the end apparently you didn't watch
Blane Heinrich you always can buy a bigger auger or put a leg up there's many options.
@@TheFarmingLife those augers are about as long as they make. Plus you can't just add to a bin at will. They are not designed that way.
@@TheFarmingLife I don't think you understand the cost of a leg and the auger they have is the biggest one made I believe they could possibly go to 25k bin with a jump auger but that wouldn't be worth it the end
Can you do a startup video of all the tractors on the farm
If you decided to make it larger say next year could you just add another set of rings??
Probably not since the concrete pad is built to hold a 20000 bu bin. And any higher they could not fill it with the augers.
please, what is the thickness of steel sheet
what is the price to construct 1 bin..
How many cost in one silo
What is the plan for the old bin? The bin with the dent?
Take it down, eventually. The way market prices are we'll probably store a few thousand beans in until they improve.
Seems like I only hear about the corn being stored in the silos/bin (in there a difference between a bin and a silo?), do the soybeans get stored too, or are they sold right away?
Corn is easier to store, and corn yields usually 2-3 times as much as soybeans do, so typically most on-farm storage is used for corn. Corn can be heated and dried down from field moisture (we don't like to harvest corn over 23% moisture if it can be helped) to storage moisture (about 14-15% ideally) by blowing hot air through it with a burner and blower setup (grain dryer), which can either be a separate unit grain is fed through and dried by hot air blowing through it in a thin layer (a continuous dryer), or grain can be fed into the dryer several hundred to a thousand or so bushels at a time and dried by hot air blown through it, then emptied into the bin and the cycle repeats (a batch dryer), or the burner and fan can be attached to the bin and blow the hot air in under the floor, which will then be forced up through the grain in the bin and out the top and escape from the bin through the vents at the top (bin drying). Bins have to be equipped with a blower in most cases anyway to keep the grain in proper condition (cool it down and force out moist air to prevent mold/crusting problems) and "freeze" the corn in winter once the really cold weather hits (when the grain is warmer than the outside air is, it will want to "sweat" moisture on the walls of the bins and the warmer, moister air between the kernels of corn will want to condense moisture out which can cause mold, so when it gets really cold the blower is turned on to blow cold dry air through the grain, so the air inside the grain bin is the same temperature as that outside (within reason) and the moister air in the grain is vented out to prevent condensation. In the spring when the weather warms up, the blower is turned on again to "warm the grain up" so it's not SO cold that moisture condenses in it and causes mold... Once the grain is dried down to the proper moisture by whatever type of dryer, it has to be cooled down in the bin by blowing air through it, so it doesn't continue to drive off moisture due to heat and make the air between kernels too moist, which will then condense as it cools and cause mold issues.
Soybeans, unlike corn (and a lot of other grains) is harder to dry without damaging it. It's usually harvested as close to "storage moisture" (13.5% IIRC) as possible by allowing the crop to dry in the field, if at all possible. The grain is combined "dry" so it goes into the bin "dry" and then only needs air blown through it (not hot air heated by a burner) in order to be in "storage condition". However, this is a "best case scenario" and reality doesn't always work like that. Soybeans are harvested "as dry as possible" from the field, but often that can be in the 15-18% moisture range, and that's too much moisture to store properly without mold and heat ruining the grain. Soybeans are usually dried with just blowing air through them, rather than heated air, because unless one is very careful, you can "cook" the beans (roast them) and that ruins them for a lot of processes like oil extraction and such, which would ruin their value (roasted soybeans DO make an excellent livestock feed and there are some soybean roasters available for making batches of feed for large livestock feeders... but for typical beans you want the highest quality possible which means drying with "plain air" or very little/no heat and that takes a LONG time to do, and the blower fans use a lot of electricity. Beans can also get "out of condition" in storage easier than corn or other grains; the high oil content of beans means they can get rancid or have other issues if one isn't very careful, and so with all these things that can happen to severely reduce the value of the soybeans, most farmers tend to get rid of them as soon as possible, either by hauling them to the elevator or delivery point straight from the field (selling under contract, usually) or store them for no longer than absolutely necessary in their own bins. Once the beans are delivered, keeping them "in condition" is the buyer or elevator operator's problem, not the farmers. Stored in on-farm bins, however, it then is up to the farmer to make sure the beans stay "in condition" in the bin and value isn't lost to mold, heat, pests, rancidity, etc... SO it's another risk to deal with.
Plus, the more you handle beans, the more damage to the grain you have (straight from the combine to the delivery truck going to the buyer makes the least damage, and of course handling costs since it takes time and costs money every time you handle them). The same is true with corn and other grains as well, to a point, but soybeans are larger and easily split, which is another thing that reduces their value through being docked if it's excessive...
That's some of the factors that play into it...
Later! OL J R :)
"Silos" are generally for silage or fodder, which is when the entire corn plant is chopped up (green) for livestock feed-- grain, leaves, stalk, cob, and all (in the case of corn silage) and blown into the silo for storage. Of course you can have forage sorghum silage or even alfalfa/grass mix silage and stuff like that stored in a silo as well, like storing beans or corn or wheat or barley in a grain bin. Silos are of several different types, but for upright silos, there's the "stave" silos made out of interlocking concrete blocks held together by threaded steel rings tightened around them, which are open to the air at the top and unloaded from the top down, and there's the blue "Harvestore" silos which are glass lined steel smooth steel panels bolted together like a bin is, which are sealed off from the air using an air bag "bladder" at the top to allow for expansion/contraction of the gases created by fermentation of the silage, while still isolating the silage from atmospheric oxygen to preserve quality (stave silos tend to have a layer of rotted material at the very top where the oxygen in the air can cause it to rot... below that level it's preserved properly, so the top layer is wasted). Harvestores are unloaded from the bottom as seen in many of their videos. Harvestores *can* be converted for storing dry corn (grain) but it's expensive from what I've heard and has it's own set of problems... probably fine for corn you plan to feed your own animals, but maybe not for corn you plan to deliver to a buyer and sell...
There's also bunker silos and pit silos, which are basically concrete retaining walls into which silage is packed by tractors driving over it and pushing the silage into the bunker, once packed in tightly it is covered with plastic and the silage ferments and is preserved by excluding most of the air with the layer of plastic, held down usually by tons of old tires... a pit silo is similar, but usually it's just a big hole in the ground or in a hillside where silage is packed into it similar to a bunker silo, and similarly covered with weighted-down plastic sheet to preserve the silage from the outside air (oxygen, which causes rot).
Bins are used for storing threshed grain crops, like corn, beans, wheat, canola, rye, barley, grain sorghum, etc. Grain will "flow" like dry sand in an hourglass (so long as it doesn't crust or mold, which can "weld" the grain together into huge lumps or masses that have to be broken up) and so can easily be fed into a bin via auger or elevator and removed via an auger under the floor of the bin, Bins can be used for drying (hence "wet bins" are typically filled with grain from the field that has too much moisture yet to be stored safely, and dried by hot air from a burner dryer blown through it from the bottom up) or bins can be used for simple storage, typically called 'dry bins" for the dry grain stored in it at a safe moisture level. Wet bins typically will have stirrators, which are pairs of small vertical augers hanging down from a trolley that runs around a rail at the top of the bin, moving back and forth very slowly from the center of the bin out to the wall of the bin and back again, as it slowly revolves around the bin like the hands on a clock... So ALL the corn in the bin (except the bottom roughly foot of grain on the floor) is stirred up by the little spinning augers, which pull grain up from near the floor and throw it out at the top of the grain in the bin. This ensures that the corn that gets drier down near the bottom (since the hot dry air hits it first) is brought up from the bottom, and the wetter corn on top (since the hot dry air has cooled down considerably and gotten a LOT of moisture in it from the corn below it drying down) is mixed up, with the drier corn on bottom being brought up by the stirrators and thrown on top, causing the wetter corn on top to sink down to replace it. This ensures that the corn dries evenly (as possible) and moisture is evenly spread throughout the bin, and helps to break up "fines" (dust and debris like broken kernels and other crap in the grain) that can hold moisture, which can allow mold to grow and form clumps or a crust on the dry grain, both of which are very bad, as it reduces quality and can ruin the grain, and makes it difficult to impossible for the grain to flow out of the bin to empty it (without a huge amount of dangerous work inside the bin to break up the clumps and crust).
That's the difference between "bins" and "silos"...
Later! OL J R :)
why are you using small bins and not taller ones?
$$$
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