You can criticise Bang si Yuk all you want, but thanks to his vision, his dedication to the group and his innovative marketing ideas, thanks to his foresight, clairvoyance, intuition and his faith in these kids, the BTS phenomenon wouldn’t have happened. They needed each other to succeed, and they did beyond imagination. As BSY said, BTS are his children. He grew up with them. And obviously, he cannot act the same way with the newer groups; sad to say, but if you have not gone through the same hardships, you can’t relate the same way, whether you like it or not. BSY’s critics have to understand that.
@@maryannbansan3376 I have never been as busy and flabbergasted as following bts during their chapter 2 like there is not one day of peace because of them😭😭🫶 though I could chill but they said nahhhh it ain't happening. and before it was follow 7 people moving at the same time as a group during cbs but now is follow 7 ppl that can be in 7 different places at the same time on this earth and have 4828 songs and album releases too all in the span of a year😭😭😭😭 WE HAVE GOT MORE MUSIC IN THE LAST YEAR THAT GROUPS GOT IN THE LAST 4-5 YEARS IS THAT NOT INSANITY!??_!_(#(#) Taehyung is releasing his album in a week and with him that will be 5/7 albums released from June 2022 until now. Like there is nobody busier than army nor more well fed than us like sawryyyy
The difference in my opinion, between BTS and the other groups, is that each member is highly talented. They proved it through their solo endeavours. Each one of them has been successful in their own way. There is not one member left behind. And this is without counting their interesting personality, individually and collectively. What they sing does not sound hollow, their humility, their sense of humour, their closeness, their emotions on the sleeves can be felt in their RUN BTS videos, their stage performances. You can even notice if they had an argument before a performance, if you pay close attention to their behaviour on stage (it’s interesting to to observe ) Those BTS are true to themselves. That’s what make them so attractive
I would actually like to thank the BIG 3 and the k-Entertainment industry for contributing to their success. If they weren't blocking & bullying them they would've never have been forced to use other outlets like youtube and twitter. That was when the west got exposed to these underdogs and their passion for their music.
1000% correct!!!! The fact that BTS's Army grew organically by up close face to face fan meetings, meant BTS and Army totally controlled these events themselves and didn't allow the corporations to feed them the "popular" propaganda!!!! BTS allowed "unfiltered" access into their lives with their vlives and series, Run BTS and In the Soop!!!! We saw BTS engage in silly normal activities that many saw them as approachable and real. This was unprecedented and endeared Army to them to a degree never seen before and since!!!! No other idol group has this type of relationship with their idol group/members!
@@nycjt6267 They definitely gave BTS the lemons that BTS used to make lemonade. BTS then used their own magic of love, respect and kindness to all to make it the sweetest lemonade that drew everyone to them. The BTS Effect is at work in the military now. Haters are just jealous and can’t understand why BTS is popular.
@@elaineOiwish One of the craziest things is that a lot of S.K gp dosent even know how famous and loved they are. Seems like it gets suppressed in their news (owned by rivals).
You can't compare talent. If you're talented, then you will be recognized one day. You can't expect fame and success to come right away. It took BTS 10 years, not to mention it's easier now for Asian artists to drop music in the West. BTS understands that this is not forever so they focus on longevity, substance, and authenticity. Only time will tell whether these young and new groups can last as long and make quality music like BTS.
Quality music! That’s the key. Music that you can relate to easily. BTS discography is a goldmine for those. Not just songs that you can dance to or get pumped with but that’s it. Those songs don’t usually last. It will just always be a passing fancy or a “trend”. We all know that those don’t really have longevity like the Classics!
This comment was absolutely right , what bts is doing is well planned and bts is not trying to make catchy song but making the music that they want to , rm said its not like that I don't like to top the chart but I rather ppl listen to my music and enjoy it even if it's not a lot of ppl Like so many ppl criticized v for his music saying its boring , but it's the music that he loved army listen to frome him , not a song to just top charts or be viral , so it's the different btw bts and others , they love and enjoy music, not fame and money
@@Kookliet_and_jimeo 👏👏👏👏👏. Yes. That is the difference. V made the music he likes expressing his personality he knew going in how it would be received and did not care about ratings and all that other stuff. I for one absolutely love his songs. BTS don’t need all the bells and whistles other groups are vying for they already own e everything. They said it in their song Yet To Come. BTS music are already legendary. They are quoted from, used by scholars etc etc, heck they are even mentioned in textbooks.
I not only ❤the music BTS has given us, but who they are as a ‘family,’ individuals, their platforms, they’ve never been afraid of showing us their vulnerability, they’re like regular people, they’re humbleness, it’s not about business, their work ethics to give us their all in everything they give us, their music and performances… there is much more I love about them. The bottom line is they are REAL people, true to themselves, and shared everything with us ❤😂😢😅🎉😮😊 They are BEAUTIFUL young men who let us travel their life paths with them and continue to share with us!!!❤❤❤
First off, I believe that it's important to acknowledge that BTS is the sole reason why Kpop even became this globally popular. So with Kpop bands being able to promote themselves in the West very easily means that BTS are in fact HELPING these boybands become successful, bc now they have a bigger spotlight to do so. They have the tools now. The difference is that BTS were rejected and mistreated by the kpop industry because unlike the idols in the Big 3, BTS were extremely poor, their run down company almost went bankrupt and had no influence. So BTS decided to use their own means of communication with fans and has been making self made music and content predebut. BTS also had to work 10 times harder than their more privileged peers, and face backlash from so many different angles at such young ages. I believe they were able to reach more global attention this way without even intending to, because they never intended to blow up in the US. It's also important to note that BTS have been in the game for 10 years, these 4th gen kpop bands can't expect to reach the same success in 2 weeks, that's just not how it works. I also blame the labels who started this "next bts' agenda because none of them have walked in BTS's shoes. It's not fair to blame BTS for others not being as successful. BTS solidified a legacy, Seo Taji waited 25 years to pass the torch to the next group who would make Korea proud, and he passed it to BTS.
@@MaeMae888 agree...and Gg made now people made them same as bts level...which is and will not be in level of bts ...becoz their history is totally different to make same level...and i also try so hard to stan others becoz i also luv Blackpink stray kids 5 star album and svt new jeans...all r great but i just cant connect them like bts ..becoz i saw feels in bts eyes everytime...in each members...we know alot about them more than themselves i guess..some news highlight some are hidden becoz we also respected fandom if wesaw good real army.. THESE GOOD ARMY CHANGE FANDOM CONCEPTS AND ALSO VOTING STYLES BECOZ OTHER FANDOM DO SAME AS BTS ARMY WHAT I SAW....BRO BTS IS DIFFERENT GROUP..I ALWAYS INTUITION GET DEFINITELY SOMETHING BIG GOOD CHANGE IN MUSIC INDUSTRY HAPPEN IN FUTURE BECOZ OF THESE BTS 7 MEMBERS..THESE ARMY ARE POWERFUL AND STRONGEST FANDOM WHEN THEY CAMEBACK TOGETHER...START AGAIN WITH SAME BIGGEST PASSION AS THEIR EARLIER TIMES BUT DIFFERENT DETERMINATION..I THOUGHT GRAMMY NOMINATION IS THEIR PEAK ..BUT LOT OF THINGS YET TO LEFT TO ACHIEVE THEM ..I WONDER BIGGEST WORLD TOUR BY ANY GROUP HAPPENS OR ANYTHING. THESE 7 STARS CHOOSE BY GOD TO CHANGE IN MUSIC INDUSTRY ...THEIR JOURNEY IS INCOMPLETE RN...THEY WILL NEVER GOING TO DISBAND...BUT I HAVE PREDICTIONS ABOUT THEM. ...I JUST HOPE BEST FOR THEM THEY HAVE MORE TO ACHIEVE IN FUTURE ALOT OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE LEFT FOR THEM...I WONDER IF JIN WASNT GOING TO ENLIST..THEY PERFORM AS GROUP IN FIFA WORLD CUP..BUT ANYWAY STILL BIGGEST FOR BTS AND OUR JUNGKOOK SHINE BRIGHTEST STAR ..LETS SEE WHAT COMES NEXT?? AMEEN FOR INCREDIBLE SUCCESS AND BEST MUSIC AND STAGE PRESENCE IN FUTURE ..THAT WILL SHOCKED EVERYONE.
@@MaeMae888Especially, racist remarks from foreign media, mocking them and Korean language, etc....the amount of hate they received to get to where they are now and worldwide is crazy....
In my opinion... BTS is on a different level on their own. Other groups are also good but human nature would tell us that if there is a standard of KPop it is BTS. WHY? BTS is a total package. Talent, songs, personality, humility, sincerity, uniqueness and most of all real love and appreciation of ARMY. We are their priority even on special occasion instead of partying with celebreties. Other groups followed the way BTS connects with fans because other groups realized it works. Just like if there was Beatles during our parents time we have BTS now and that's the standard. Thank you for this episode. its BTS now.
I'm a senior army and discovered BTS in 2020 through Dynamite. I was aware that there's something like k-pop and I just thought it's colorful genereric bubblegum pop for kids. As a GenX Rock and Metal fan I didn't even heard it on the radio. No, I was watching a youtube video of a dance crew who covered it. And the song had that familiar 70s feeling to it. I loved it and looked it up. BTS...aha...oh...a Korean boyband. Nahh, not my cup of tea. But I couldn't get the song out of my head and so I said to myself. "Oh look, there's a video by them called On. Let's watch it" and from that moment on I was hooked. And three weeks later I had the backcatalog of the 5 main albums. Through BTS I got in touch with k-pop. As I'm mainly interested in the music and not the whole package (visuals, merch ets. pp), there are rarely groups that stick out. Stray Kids is one of them. Shinee, a 2. Gen group, is another. And man, I discovered Seo Taiji !! :) I'm still not that much into k-pop in general. I think what got me into BTS is not only the variety of songs. There's a whole video about why so many rock and metal fans are attracted to BTS. :) That they were an underdog was one of the reasons. Every rock and metal fan can relate to that. What I wanna say is. It's really not fair to compare any group to BTS. It's obvious that they've found a way to attract different kinds of people, different ages, different beliefs, different backgrounds, different muscial tastes. It's really hard to live up to that.
It is naive to make comparisons. For this reason, since BTS did not break the mold but rather created and continues to create new ones, comparisons must be avoided and as the video that summons us says, separate BTS from the rest and listen to them without making comparisons because many groups are really good and deserve to be heard and recognized without comparing themselves with others or in any case, not comparing them with a group that exceeds all comparison. BTS, with their lives and RUN BTS shows helped me find many very good Korean musicians and bands.
@@proyectobcr2982 ehm..I didn't make comparisions. I said it's not fair to compare any band with BTS. And I said that I've found other bands I liked. What's your point? Or was that a comment to the creator of the video?
to compare them drives me nuts. They have been inspired by many different artists, and their main choreographer was obviously inspired by Michael Jackson, and that comparison makes me sick, mainly due to his personal life and while he was a very good dancer, he is given much more credit than he deserves.
@@LPnerdthank you so much for that!! I will give MJ his dues. Phenomenal dancer, music video visionary, amazing voice. His music was amazing. I never did care for him as a person. Make sense!? My opinion!
the problem i think is that management companies of the newer kpop groups are stuck trying to come up with "the next BTS." as a result, they tend to copy everything that BTS has done, down to marketing strategies. they forget to have their new boy bands to develop their own way and at their own pace. they're looking at everything short-term, and not long-term. while BTS grew organically, the newer boy bands seem manufactured according to targeted demographics. and therefore lack the authenticity that BTS has in their music. it may be unfair, but many critics have pointed out that BTS is made up of seven "beyonces" or seven "michaels" -- and indeed, this view is being validated as each individual BTS member is selling their solo albums in the millions worldwide, outperforming supposedly "big" kpop acts. the BTS formula simply can't be replicated; management companies should learn to let their artists be their own selves. that way, fans and consumers can discover unique talents, not just be offered copycat acts.
I couldn't agree more with your opinions!! It's not about comparing the other groups with BTS, .. it's all about " the lack of authenticity in the other Boy Groups" in their music ....
Love this , I said the same thing. One big factor with BTS is they were allowed to be themselves. I notice so many trying to have the look, characteristics as BTS and it just doesn't work. They need to let them shine in their own light.
It should also be noted that BTS’s rap line were true fans of the American hip-hop scene at a very young age, so they understood the music while most rappers in K-pop are assigned that role because they can’t sing. The BTS rap line could hold concerts with just the 3 of them. Rap isn’t just sounding good at rapping; it’s understanding, creating, and breathing hip-hop.
As a European (westerner) I became interested in BTS in 2022. I can’t be bothered with other K-pop groups (male or female) because they don’t resonate with me. What attracted me to them, was the brilliance of RM, stepping either forward (singing about high ideals) or backwards at the exact right time, boosting the others to shine or guiding them to excellence. Yet all 7 are talented or/and lovable. Ps in the eyes of a westerner all of them are naturally handsome without too much plastic surgeries (think about that too).
The "next BTS" won't come from a Big Three company or even HYBE -- if it ever comes at all. Ten years from now, some group that is currently scrounging in the dirt will have gained grassroots momentum to emerge as the next phenomenon the people have been hoping for. The current groups are not beginning their journey at the same starting line. If it's a race to the top, they're starting at the 50% mark and some are okay hovering there. Which is fine. Not everyone is cut out for the top, nor would they necessarily be happy there.
I have a very limited time because I am working 8 hours a day. I consumed my very limited precious time on BTS ONLY. I don't have time for other K-pop groups as I am not inspired by them. During their hiatus, there are still millions of videos to watch about OT7 not to mention their monthly surprise for us. I am happy, proud and contented being a BTS ARMY! TRUE BTS Army will not get tired watching their videos even watching it repeatedly because we love them wholeheartedly. PROUD LOYAL ARMY HERE!💗💗💗
As a senior ARMY, 64 yrs young, and starting from 2017, when I was dragged to a concert by my granddaughter, with warlocks in tow….i was taken by the first video! What BTS has that no other boy Brian’s has is a synergy and brotherhood that is felt so strongly by ARMY! And BTS and ARMY are one force on their own! I was at TXT, I like their songs, but as a group I didn’t feel the connection like BTS. I’ve also seen Enhypen, I like more of their songs, and I felt a bit more connection as a group! They were very entertaining, but they are true K Pop! Stray Kids…my niece and I didn’t stay for the entire concert. I just couldn’t get interested and neither could my niece! B Perhaps if BTS didn’t set the bar so high, I might have felt differently. But I don’t view BTS as K-Pop! I own all their albums, and many concerts online. As for the other groups…..I haven’t even downloaded a song. I watch their videos once! I wish I could have as great a passion for some if the groups, but I simply don’t! As for Seventeen, I view them as as the same generation as BTS! Some are starting to hit their military requirement ages
Honestly speaking: even if new listeners (fans) want to objectively judge/see the success of 4th gen boy groups they cannot do that because the already existing fans of those groups, managments/labels of those groups and even those groups themself constantly comparing their achievments to BTS's achievments or try to "beat" BTS. That is so damaging to those groups cause BTS are on another level. BTS worked hard for over 10 years now, they started gaing global succes about 4 years after debut, they changed how world look at kpop and opened a lot of doors for the new groups. That big success what BTS achieved doesn't come in a minute. Because BTS set many records and win great prizes the other kpop labels think that their groups can do the same cause BTS is kpop so people have to love all kpop groups. They forget that BTS grew up that big fandom and became recognizable because of their hard work, artistry, progress in music and variety in music styles. You can't be original and stand out if you do the same what others before you. And you need to care about your fans much more than about money and fame. Without big and loyal fandom you won't be succesfull, famous and profiting from your work. Copying BTS won't let you be more popular than BTS. Also the amount of new groups that pop up every month, year make it more difficult to achieve longevity and success. Many times those new groups follow trends and their music isn't any difference that other groups. People become bored very fast. Groups and labes should focus on their own work. They can put BTS as example what they would want to achieve but they need to work their ass off. Comparing yourself to BTS all the time when you don't do even 30% what BTS did to get what they are now is useless
Truly agreed with what you said..comparing apples and oranges! The uniqueness of BTS is beyond imaginable...The 7 boys are like angels dropped down from heaven..the real raw deal! They are literally elevated by their faithful n passionate fandom n they truly worked unbelievably hard throughout their singing career n continue to do so post world wide famous!
This is like the other groups of the British invasion to the United States trying to catch up with The Beatles in the 1960s. Only a couple of groups of cheese close success to The Beatles only one I could think of is The Rolling Stones.
@@heyrobwest3908 True and RS still performing. I want that kind of longevity for BTS and since their brand of music truly transcends languages, l am hopeful.
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist. No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point. .the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
@@LPnerdwhat would make you say something like this? They are working hard and gaining popularity year by year. Even if you feel this way why spread hate?
I don’t even think of BTS as a K-pop group. They are bigger than just that designation. They have a wider musical influence and cover more genres than just Pop. They are a Korean Mega group.
Other kpop groups also incorporate multiples music genre in their music like Stray Kids, TXT, ATEEZ, Girls Generation... not just BTS Make no sense you claim that they are not kpop (expect Joon's work)
@@yamasuuno I did not disrespect other groups. I do not listen to them or know much about them so can not speak about them. I only follow BTS and to me they don’t just do what I considered K-pop….which was overly manufactured, bouncy, w mindless lyrics. That was my opinion and perception of it from years ago. It had definitely changed now and I think that has a lot to do w all the BTS guys’ writings. Feel free to express your opinion but it doesn’t matter to me.
I also was thinking if it's helpful to mention this. They were able to reach the huge milestone of selling the most album copies, more than BTS, but they've put in the long years of grinding that BTS also did in their early years. BTS, Exo, and Seventeen are prob. considered the top level 3rd gen boy groups. and Stray Kids started on their survival show in 2017, and debuted 2018 so they're kinda borderline 3rd or 4th gen. But their success tends to group them with early 4th gen groups like TXT and Ateez.
@@carasss7775 I stan SVT & buy their albums and merch but i have to say honestly.. Pledis puts out so many versions of their albums. there are 13 members, some albums have 13 member covers, plus 10 versions throughout the comeback. Obviously they will outsell BTS who has 4 versions of albums at most, and never had individual member cover. no hate to SVT, but just stating facts. same goes for Ateez. I bought my biases cover albums in every comeback. that boost their sales tremendously. I hope Bangtan stays true to Army and not drop 7 album covers for each member, just to boost sales.
@@luna-88838 ah, didnt know they could have up to 13 "indiv member' covers. Kpop generally boosts album sales with various versions and loyal stans will preorder multiple copies. so I thought 3-4 was a lot, but maybe it is on the lower end for Kpop album marketing.
@@carasss7775 SVT Face the Sun main album had 5 versions plus weverse version, plus 13 carat (member versions), then repackage of the album as Sector 17 had another 2 versions plus 1 compact plus weverse version = total of 23 versions counting Face the Sun + reissue Sector 17 altogether. Ateez had similar marketing strategy but they had so many reissues with POBs and Lucky Draws from different Korea & Japan shops, I couldn't count. Note that I'm a fan of both grps. I'm just pointing that both companies know that fans will mass buy as long as they issue photocards & benefits. it's sad that's not about the music anymore. Not to say that BigHit is innocent but it's getting out of hand, me thinks.
These kpop groups are doing well on their own but the comparison with BTS is foolish....this band is literally a once in a lifetime type of an act, their numbers are just unbeatable at this point...they are on hiatus and yet their older songs gain more streams than the newest releases of the newer groups....lets not even get to the solo releases of the BTS members, they are outperforming major western acts...kpop acts are not even close. My point is please let these newer artists grow organically and let them feel accomplished with their milestones, these constant comparisons with an INDUSTRY GIANT will only make them feel as if they haven't achieved anything at all. A lot of the blame actually goes to the companies that are only looking to make money and pitch their groups as the "next bts" while being inconsiderate about their artists actual musical growth...also, ARMYS hate it when people do the "next bts" bullshit ,we immediately turn our backs and there itself they are losing a huge audience. Not to mention the kpop fans that are at constant denial of how BIG BTS truly is and set their fav groups up for failure just for some stupid twitter banter.
BTS is on another level - NOBODY should ever blame them if other boy groups' success is "delayed". If there is great talent, it will come out. If it has not come out maybe not yet their time. NOBODY better blame a group who just happens to be brilliant and put in an extremely high level of hard work and depth of talent and skill in songwriting, conceptualization and performance. BTS is also backed by a committed and forward thinking production crew and a management team that kept their promise to the 7 men to provide them all resources to produce the best high class/high level performance productions and MVs. BTS is also deeply committed to creating content and sustaining that content satisfaction among fans and even potential fans. No, BTS has not blocked anyone, they just happen to be exceptionally extraordinary. BTS cannot and should not be faulted for that.
I learned of kpop long before BTS ever came along, my friend, who used to live in SK was a huge fan of Big Bang. I never understood the appeal, tbh. In 2019 she went back to SK and then the pandemic hit and there she stayed and one day during a zoom call she presented me with BTS. I've been Army since. I still don't listen to any other kpop artist, especially the girl groups are largely unappealing. It just seems so fake, I don't know. BTS struck me as authentic from the second I was introduced to them, and all the other groups seem so forced and not like the enjoy what they do in the least. It's like all of us with our mundane 9-5 jobs, we work hard because we have to to survive, not because we want to. All these groups seem excatly like that. Performing and making music is their job not their calling and people can sense that. Not all of them, obviously, but the majority. I've since heard some StrayKids and TXT songs and I liked them, but they're not on any of my playlists. I don't know BTS just resonates differently.
The album price for their (17) best selling album and the different versions you can tell they were purchased for the photo cards more than the love of their music. It was obvious by the streaming numbers.
I'm BTS Army. But I stand, Stray Kids, Ateez and many more. And I don't think SKZ or Ateez are the same as BTS, They have their own Style of music and performance. And the ones that are seem similar to other Idol groups, I still like watching them too.
#1) in 4th gen, Enhypen & Ateez stand out the most...they have a great diversity in each members performance style, their visuals and their personalities... As long as no one exhibits that they are only nice on screen but aholes off camera, I think these two groups will actually stand the test of time if they keep putting out good music. #2) I don't think BTS is blocking anyone. If the other groups were consistently creating quality, innovative music, people would listen. #3) Some of these groups are always FOLLOWING trends & the music is just noisy... They are choosing to be followers instead of creative leaders, and although I'm always exploring & listening to various groups, I find them very underwhelming. #4) BTS discography is truly unmatched, from hiphop, r&b, ballads, rock, neo-soul, pop. There is a BTS song for every mood!!! 💜
I started listening to kpop during 2nd gen when my cousin who is two decades younger introduced me to Super Junior. I just listened to random songs that I liked from different groups. I wasn't interested in the groups at all, but I stopped listening after a couple years. As I got much older, I started to care about lyrics, but there was no artist who can touch my heart including American artists. I got bored with musics so I didn't listen to music that much. BTS brought me back because they care about the lyrics, and they talk about everything not just love or breakup. I tried listening to the 4th gen you mentioned, but their musics are noisy to me. I also can't relate to their lyrics. When I was younger I didn't care about the lyrics as much, but now lyrics are important to me. Also, BTS always try different genres and I love varieties. BTS is the only group who never fail me even if it might not be my kind of genres.
To put it simply, BTS has made a huge impact that goes beyond visuals, choreographies and the kpop industry in general. Also their notorious music knowlegde is what makes their discography sincere and superior. That's why no other group can and never will succeed like BTS. They're a group that happens once in a lifetime.
Yeah but everything has its end just like new jeans are the next big thing im afraid to say much more powerful than BTS cuz NJ did everything in just a year which took BTS like 8-9 years so yeah not everything lasts forever same goes for BTS i like them a lot but im glad that NJ are breaking BTS records and showing that nothing is impossible like NOTHING so these 4th gen BG need something more authentic and organic dynamic and ground breaking like NJ to stand tall in kpop scene cuz if NJ can beat BTS that means any other group can too but they lack creativity and tryna copy BTS but not NJ they are different and self made(im just giving example of NJ nothing else)❤❤
@NewBabyBunnyJeans first you need to realize NJ record label wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for BTS. That's the issue of fans of these 4th Gen groups none of them realize who opened the door for them. Hybe is the house that Bangtan Sonyeondan built and made it easier for all those who came after them to have success. Big Hit Entertainment before they even changed their name to Hybe made sure the group's that came after BTS were different and didn't follow the same mode as BTS. TXT is nothing like their big brothers nor is Enhypen like BTS. New Jean's just followed that flow of being different. Seventeen you can't count because they aren't 4th Gen, they're 3rd Gen and were already an established group before Pledis became a part of Big Hit Ent (now Hybe). So yes New Jean's is doing their thing but they still got privileges from being a Hybe group.
@NewBabyBunnyJeans and do they write and produce their own music? do they write about their own struggle? NO they get songs handed to them made by good producers. BTS did their own songs witch is way more impressive. everyone can learn how to sing and dance. if NJ have had a deferent label they would not have been popular. they where just luckly to get picked to sing these songs. so you can´t compare them to BTS. BTS proofed themself and that takes time and BTS was also amoung the first youtubers. back then people didn´t know of korea, many thought it was north korea. BTS made it become the spotlight. so of corse NJ can do it quickly now that does not make them better in anyway. far from
You have a really good point that measurement of 4th generation K-pop should not be compared to BTS but unfortunately the global media, K-pop fans and the general population are going to focus on the comparison. Most of BTS armies are going to stick with BTS and I’m a good example. I have tried to watch other groups and this may sound silly but I felt like I was cheating but without the excitement and anticipation. I just cannot connect with other groups in K-pop but also with any other music artists in the world. I’ve tried!
I am exactly the same way. I tried to watch NCT, straykids , Ateez etc. Nothing! They just all sound the same to me. They might have some fun and catchy sound but that’s basically it nothing special really. They all have the same vibe . The “I’m so tough and cool vibe” that sometimes it gets too over the top and cringey for me. I also noticed that the fandoms is these groups are doing the same exact things that Army’s did BTS maybe to make their fandom more “family like”? I’ve never heard of fans giving each other gifts or giving stuff to people on concerts. Only in BTS CONCERTS! even when so watched the BTS concert in theaters , army’s are in the door handing gifts to people . now i noticed fans of other Kpop group are doing the same thing! Nice I guess but for some reason I find it cringey. I don’t know. If you’ve been to a BTS Concert you’ll feel the oneness in the crowd. The positive energy is just so strong. It feels like you all know each other . It’s so amazing! Everyone was so helpful, polite and generous to each other. When I went to watch other Kpop concerts, my friend likes this one group so I went with her (I watched 2 this year so far ), and it just didn’t feel the same way. Yes, it was loud , fun , the usual typical concert feel, but the people ? It’s just a crowd! That’s it! BTS is the first and only group that I’ve ever seen that whenever they receive an award or anything , the first thing out of their mouths is “AMI”. Always fill of gratitude to their fans. I see a lot of Kpop groups are doing that now. BTS are also knows to do vlives after their shows or awards show to thanks their fans - they don’t even attend after parties even if they were invited because they would rather spend it with their fans. Their sincerity i think is what makes people gravitate towards them. You can feel their honesty . Not saying that other groups are not sincere or don’t appreciate their fans . I’m sure they do. However , it seems like there is still something missing. I don’t know. For 4th gen. Groups. I think TXT’s music is the one I prefer more. Not the ear noise music the other bands have. Listening to those groups gives me a headache after a while. Too much sensory overload .
Interesting, couldn't it also be that international fans like myself are only interested in BTS and not in other groups? It is not Kpop, even Pop, we want to listen to/hear about, just BTS and their music/lyrics/their message. I find this sentiment with my other BTS friends too. And girl groups? What I have seen so far goes against all my gender sensitivities. So, no, thank you. Maybe I should add I find it important to know about BTS's musical influences, be it Eminem, Big Bang or Epic High etc., but this doesn't apply to groups following them.
Now imagine someone saying this to you: "If you listen to Ariana Grande then you are obligated to listen to all the pop girlies in the industry!!!" Like... NO. I'm not obligated to be fan of everyone else in that industry just because I like one artist! 😂😂😂 It's so stupid!
Did Lady Gaga block the success of... Sounds... weird, doesn't it? I didn't know there was an order to success and artists had an expiration date. Fortunately, at the international level, this is not the case. And BTS's success is helping other Korean artists as well. Success is winning in competition with the best.
Other groups are talented, but for me i love a group that started with nothing like BTS. I like some of the other groups but i love BTS so much, i have been army for 10 years, my heart only beats for BTS not other groups
The BTS comparisons run deep in the music industry. It's not just the groups themselves, but their fans, the media, the agencies and the international press. A group that continues improving their performance is successful. But that does not seem enough for a segment of the Kpop fandom intent on one-up-man-ship. Everybody wants a shortcut to fame and fortune but the reality is that achieving what BTS did takes time, much effort and perseverance. A Tiktok hit or a viral song are not going to build a long-term career all on their own.
@@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825 and don't forget the payola money which was like 6M dollars for TikTok push and spotify playlisting but it ran out😭😭 and whatever virality it had because of that push is also dying out seeing as the song barely gets 2m streams daily now when it had like 4M+ consistently a few months back but now Jimins some Like crazy is outstreaming it and being stable on the charts for months now. Like a one hit wonder isn't gonna do anything for your career especially internationally we have fifty fifty, psy (he has and still is a legend in Korea that hasn't changed) and others as an example because the gp is fickle and unpredictable you need a strong foundation and a strong loyal fanbase. On the other side u have groups like svt, stray kids, nct and a few others selling 3-5M album copies but don't have the streams to match those sales and no stadiums in sight lol like what does that tell you of groups popularity except inflated numbers because of 10+ versions of an album. I want the type of longevity that Coldplay, Beyonce, Metallica, epik high etc have for the tannies and from their close friendship with Coldplay and as the members have told us in recent years they could see that for themselves more easily now in comparison to when they were exploding and rising in fame 2016-2019 when they were filled with uncertainty and doubt about their future but now it's different and they have these long term goals they have set together as a group. So I'm happy that I'm gonna be on this wild journey called life with them for the next few decades lol 😂🫂🫂💜
here's another thing. Why are BS only compared in articles to other K-pop groups. as far as I know, when it comes to pop music there are only BTS, Taylor, and Coldplay in the same ballpark. I think maybe Halsey could be, but she seems comfortable where's she at. Just my thoughts, and I am not a pop music listener. Musicals and classical is more my lane, except for BTS and I listen to them just as much.
@@rafaelsmith5737 I've noticed this too. I was a theater kid, and my mom was a pianist so I grew up hearing classical music almost every day, LOL So I'm a music snob and my kids all make fun of me for it, they do not make fun of BTS. I've also noticed quite a few metal fans react to BTS and fall in love. What is it , in your opinion, that draws them in so immediately?
Hi. I became a fan of BTS just before Covid and immediately was drawn to them not knowing anything about them and what drew me was their sound their style I fell in love at first note. They had what I had been looking for in music. It was after I heard them the first time I decided to look into other artist and found that their overall sound just did not appeal to me at all. So my thought is if other groups would like to make it they have to create something that appeals to the masses of people not just a certain segment. The loud bombastic senseless sounds just don’t do it for me. BTS’s overall mood is so acceptable and warm and this is something I personally don’t think for me other groups have to me, I don’t know about other people just me before anyone take offense at what I am saying. BTS lacks the trying to force you to like me attitude. What they have is intrinsic to them and cannot be duplicated. So for me to sum up my opinion is 4th gen boy bands needs to find what appeals to the listening ear and so far to me it hasn’t happened. TXT might be on the right path but to be honest the only music I proudly play loud is BTS because doesn’t have that manufactured cookie cutter KPOP style. For me they are mainstream.
OMG this is exactly how i feel down to every detail. i am not english speaker so it´s hard to put into words, but this is just so simple and well explained. the other boygroups is just so loud and is all about attracting females with some cool moves. they dont care about the music and the message they put out. it´s all about money and fame. they lack originality and feels more manufactured.
I have been ARMY since 2018 when I happened to watch the Fake Love mv. I was hooked and immediately jumped down the rabbit hole of BTS. Because of their participation in award shows and programs like Music Bank, etc., I learned about and listened to songs by other groups in the K-pop industry, but none of them appealed to me like BTS. So I became a BTS fan, but not a k-pop fan. For me, the 4th generation groups just seem like they have to go louder and harder and perform like Cirque de Soleil acrobats in order to compete. Instead it’s all very similar and generic. It fits into the k-Pop sound. BTS does not and maybe never did.
For me, music and dance have always held court in my life. Was never really into K-pop. Still not really. Just love BTS. Beyond their gifts in music and dance, the chemistry between the seven is unique, rare, not replicable. Nothing else tugs me. And individually, nothing/no one compares. I liked Prince and Michael Jackson, but I never knew their birthdays nor did I ever care to know. This is an odd phenom for me. I’m a GenX’er. I’ve never fanned before.
I resisted BTS 4 many months because I felt I only needed 1 K-pop group ,SF9. I'd only discovered SF9 a few months b4, not being a K-pop fan at all. While I still like them BTS has kinda overtaken my music life.No1 has had me so captivated since PRINCE!! I have been a follower of Prince 45 of my 52 years.Nobody ever came close 2 him 4 me ,even though I really liked Michael in my younger years . BTS has something that is hard 2 find or just non-existent in other groups or even individuals. The fact that their color is purple same as Prince's means something 2 me .🙃Like Prince always said ,there is no such thing as coincidences.
I've been a music lover since I was a kid. I listen to different songs even the old ones like 70s & 80s, depending on my mood. I never actually gave BTS a chance when I first heard about them in 2015 from my nieces because I thought they were just popular because of their good looks. Fast forward to 2019, YT kept on recommending their 2018 live performance of Idol at Jimmy Fallon. I kept ignoring it for days until I gave it a shot during my lunch break at the office. I was so amazed then that I started to realise why they are famous. After that, I would be sleeping at 3am-4am the following nights bingeing all videos of them I could find. I swear I tried watching other groups but I just can't relate to their songs and I don't feel that satisfaction that I would feel until now from watching/listening to BTS.
It doesn't really matter that the comparison is unfair, the GP will be making it anyway. It's inevitable, and we should take it as a given when starting any critical analysis (or managers start planning). And if the Big 3, the labels and the idols themselves paid any attention to BTS at all they'd learn the hard-earned answer from Jin - accept yourself with all your own faults and mediocrities and aim to be better and to persist on your path. I mean, we've seen what happened with every attempt by studios to duplicate MCU without putting in the work and trying to skip the first steps and get to that billion immediately. Greed really is a logical fallacy, it forces these execs to ignore obvious truths and buy into the flimsiest of justifications in vain hope to get that large piece of pie that they hallucinated.
the success of BTS really started with giving them artistic freedom. Those other labels mostly don't do that. Those groups don't live their music, they mostly execute them. And they can do so very nicely, but still something is then missing. You can have talent and looks and what not, but if that foundation is missing, you'll never achive those higher places. People can feel BTS being genuine.
@@dagmarbubolz7999 Absolutely. Not to take away anything from BTS, but talent needs guidance, support and creative freedom to thrive, and I'm fairly confident as exceptional as any of them are on their own merits, none of the boys would be able to achieve what they have under management from the Big 3, if they even lasted long enough to debut
4th Gen Boygroups are actually in the best position: selling albums and concert tickets because of strong fandom support without the gp pressure. Better to be rich and kinda unknown than famous but financially struggling
For me, first it was their personalities that got me interested them(BTS), then their music. No one can duplicate them. I listen to all different kinds of music but only this group grip me to the extent I’m always looking out for their next music or any and everything they put out. The West is afraid of them, because they know once people see these guys or listened to their music they will be hooked forever.
It's not how this works. BTS is not blocking anyone, they are having their career. Would you say to Taylor Swift or Harry Styles they should step aside to let someone else through? Of course not. They are having their reign. It's all cyclical. This will all happen in time naturally. Someone will come along and be the biggest of that year. It may not be a Korean group, even though Korean Groups have flooded the market. It may be Filipino or Japanese Group and most likely it will be a multi racial or white group, from the UK or the States
Completely agree that the achievements of other bands cannot be compared to BTS. There are very good groups in male k-pop, I think something that blurs the achievements a bit is the number of existing groups where attention is pollinated and the time people have to appreciate them. I feel like BTS's main play will be when they start (if they do) to sing in Spanish. I must be honest that until now only BTS has enchanted me in all their content. There are many songs from other male k-pop bands that fascinated me with their dancing, singing and lyrics, but not all the material from each group, as has happened to me with BTS, not for that reason belittling the other bands that are very talented. Maybe there is also a problem in that there are small cores of fans of each group that are very hostile towards the fans of other bands and that causes (unfairly) people to reject the bands of the hostile fans because they feel that they speak on their behalf. (I hope the message is understood since I am using a translator). Greetings from Argentina.
Totalmente de acuerdo. A mí me pasa lo mismo. Todas las canciones de BTS me gustan. Música y letras.Coreografias !! También el hecho de haber sufrido la presencia de cámaras filmando su vida ,real o no, ha acercado a los miembros a sus fans. 😊
Same! I did try to like other kpop acts just to see if my like for BTS will go that way too and it seem I really only like BTS' style of music. I don't know why its just BTS hits me different, ONLY them.
Hi Argentina, US hear. I may be wrong, but isn't Argentina where Jin traveled to sing Astronaut with Coldplay. If it is, that was so heartfelt when Chris held his arms out to Jin who ran to him. They love BTS so much and army and Coldplay fans were amazing. Coldplay appeared on SNL and wore Astronaut pins and was backed by a choir who all wore Astronaut pins. If you haven't seen it I encourage you to check it out. Thank you and your language was perfect.
@@carolfaye8557 I cried in that Jin live performance w/ Coldplay, it was so heartfelt that Jin wanted to perform for Army before his enlistment. Im so happy for his fans/armys in that concert.
@@carolfaye8557 Certainly, Jin was in Argentina. I know the mutual respect and affection between Coldplay and BTS. We mustn't forget that Jin was the one who insisted on the collaboration between the two groups because of his admiration for Coldplay, I think that's partly why Chris agreed to collaborate with Jin for El Astronauta.
5m copies with 273646 versions and 473747 photocards. Now take that from them and put only 2 or 4 version and see how many sales they're going to get lol. If we're going to talk about success and be realistic in the in-depth of the "achievement" not just looking at the overall number. Just saying.
I discovered K-Pop because of BTS, their songs have meanings, have purposes and are impactful. There's a genre for everyone and thry are in a league of their own. I tried to listen to other k-pop acts, but it just doesn't do it for me. The love between Armys and BTS can never be replicated because it is real, true and sincere. Love them or hate them, accept it or not, admit it or not, BTS opened the global floodgates for k-pop, they paved the way for other groups and the future generations (i am not disrespecting the older generations). Every success, achievement is deserved.
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” as is said for art and the same applies with musical interests. I could say exactly the same for another group that got me into K-pop. We all have different journeys and this takes nothing away from the amazing success and influence of BTS and their solo works.
Theres a buzz going over bp's song claiming they paved the way. Although we all know bts paved the way, can you make a video abt this for newer kpop fans' info. Tia
I am a 54 yo woman. I have listened to other K-pop groups, and I liked a few from boy groups, girl groups irritate me for some reason. The fact that I love BTS still astounds me sometimes, because a year ago I wasn’t even remotely interested. I do believe that I might have heard a few of their songs before I found them on my radar, but I really didn’t think much about it. Like so many have said before- you discover BTS when you need them the most. The fact that they have dug so deep into their souls, and those experiences gave breath to their music is what sets them apart from other groups. It also seems that other groups are trying to manufacture another BTS ( with their own spin of course) instead of trying to think of different solutions outside the box. The K-pop industry generally is one to follow a certain set of guidelines, and BTS had to approach everything differently because they were not allowed to follow those guidelines.😢. Not really sure what would be a solution for K-pop boy groups, but I do feel for them. Fact is that I really am not interested in K-pop in general, I am not really interested in most current music really. Just like I am not really an acapella lover, but I love the group Home Free while I can’t stand Pentatonix. So, I equate liking a certain group over another as a personal preference.
Why is it always BTS fault? When thry were just starting, its their fault. Now, that theyre kicking everyone's asses its their fault. Stop making BTS as a escapegoat.
Unintentionally, BTS did not set the standard too high for the other boyband. But because of the hardship, struggles and bullying that they got they just worked very hard to enhance their craft and artistry. I'm not a BTS fan before but now I really do understand why they were being loved and adore by the armies and even a fan who is not an army. Now that I'm 50+ years old, I've come to realized that they were really so amazing and inspiring. So, at this age I considered myself as Baby Army.
I don't think so , ex if I talk about me I never liked k-pop to begin with, so if I don't like something there's no way I'm gonna waste my time on them right, but as soon as I saw one of BTS member I got vey interested in getting to know more about him and end up knowing about BTS and k-pop, and through them i gets to know about other k-pop idols too, but they didn't impress me much so I stick too my bias only coz now k-pop is all about which company is investing more on which grp and make them famous, before it was not like this , BTS struggled and their hardwork make them too famous, now company investing on new groups instead of BTS , so that's also the reason i don't like others that's it and also new groups fans are ridiculous and brainless always try to attack my bias coz he's loved and successful.
Honestly, I've loved Suchwita because it turned me onto other amazing groups that do differ artistically from BTS, e.g. Seventeen's focus is more mood music, which isn't an itch BTS scratches for me. But it took Suga to make kpop in general more digestible for me. Esp. because Hybe's the only label who consistently adds Eng subtitles to new MVs. I've put off really diving into Stray Kids because their Eng. translations aren't as systematically and straightforwardly bingeable that I've found. But it is interesting that girl groups get more unique streams but fewer replays. I find boy group material more replayable so far, though I've started trying out more girl groups.
It is hard to look past BTS, but they've set the bar very high. I do watch/listen to other K Pop groups/artists, they are good, don't deny that. My all time favorite is BTS though, love their OVERALL performances; choreography, singing and personalities they bring to the stage. BTS can't stop being BTS just to appease to the K Pop industry, K Pop fans that want more recognition for their group. It is sometimes frustrating I know, I've liked plenty of western groups that were good, but did not rise to the top, rather stayed in the middle with a lot of other groups. I think in my opinion, BTS has been harshly criticized in past, not given the same opportunities that the new generations have now due to BTS, but now BTS is being criticized or at least talked about in terms of casting too big of a shadow. I think K Pop will always be known for having "BTS", they just need to keep on doing what they are doing, fans will appreciate them. It's human nature to compare, no matter what it is, no matter the circumstances, it's human nature. I've never seen so much complaining or not sure what to call it (don't mean to offend anyone), about the K Pop industry, their artists, too much, too little....too, too, too. I've also never experienced fandoms either until getting to know BTS. I'm new to K Pop. I actually was introduced to K Pop by listening to a different group, I thought they're good, listened to another group and thought...hmmm sounds kind of the same but still good. I was later introduced to BTS and was completely blown away, wanted to know what they were saying in the songs, wanted to watch their videos. I could not tell at all who was the "weak" dancer, who had to learn how to sing, all I saw was their incredible in sync choreography, heard their vocals. Once I actually started watching K Pop MV's, I didn't really go back to the group I started out listening to for reasons I won't say. I have however, been watching other groups, not all of them are "good", but again, I'm looking. People will gravitate to what appeals to them the most and BTS on MANY levels appeal to many people. It's probably not a satisfying answer, but again, just because we don't see results our way, doesn't mean they're not good or valid results. I love watching your videos BTW, very informative and open minded.
To me enhypen ix the best The futur of kpop after bts Thats what i believe Attez also had capacity its not about who sells more or who made a powerful and loud voice Enhypen had rock ballad... And what attract me the most is the lyrics is sooo good simple and had a meaning the coreography are so good to me As a groupe their music is the best after bts and tvxq These 3 groupes are legends No hate for other groupes Im bts army And i agree that there is no other groupe can beat bts because they have been hated mocked and they take the hate and Mockery very well by changing themselves to be on top of the charts BTS FOREVER ARMY FOREVER I MISS THEM BTW JIKOOK DOCUMENTARY WILL BE OUT ON 8 AOUT 2024 ❤❤❤
I agree that you cannot compare 4th Gen groups with BTS (tho I thought Seventeen was considered 3rd Gen - they debuted in 2015). BTS’ circumstances were very different from boy groups now. The thing is 4th Gen boy groups CAN have the success (or close to) that BTS has, but it takes time. Some are good enough to be marketable to a wider audience, but BTS fandom grew to what it is now in a span of 10 years and it continues to grow. Stay, Carats, engenes, moas, Atiny and others will continue to grow but they are growing while ARMY is still growing. They just need to stick to it. Their companies need to keep investing and marketing them for a long time. I think some companies and groups end up quitting prematurely.
Most ARMYs love BTS, not Kpop, I'm one of them. BTS and Kpop are two different things in my opinion. I couldn't care less about other groups and their immature, toxic fandoms. The Kpop industry is far too competitive, resulting in fandom wars that I can't stand. I literally h8te the Kpop industry and the day BTS retires I'll quit this m*ss with unconcealed joy.
There will never be a "next BTS" because all those groups lack 1 thing...ARMY. BTS built ARMY organically, from the bottom up, by connecting openly and honestly, and that has never changed. They didnt need to continue doing lives, finding new ways to connect with the fans, and working their butts off to leave us with so much content while they do their ms after they got bigger. And other groups will never have the songwriting talent BTS has. They may have 1 or 2 that write, but none of them have that touch.
I'm sorry, I hear everything from classic, culture, historical music and music generally. Apart from BTS, I have not yet found a kpop group that has convinced me in terms of human, musical and dance style. another problem is that certain fandom have fun throwing other artists under the bus. my understanding of music is one with each other and not against each other. Why should I give fandoms or groups with this behavior a chance? I've seen and experienced too much crap, so I'm sticking with those who appreciate me.
BTS are not blocking anyone, they are just unique & new gen kpop groups aren't bringing anything new, just more of the same old kpop recipe. If they want people to eat what they cook, they have to make it interesting & delicious or different. That doesn't seem to be the case, they are all cookie cutter kpop.
Their success has a lot to do with their growth and intention. BTS came from nothing into nothing and had to make something out of nothing, against all odds. They had something to prove to the media, to the Korean music industry, to fans, to their tiny company, to the haters, and to themselves. That motivation pushed them to work harder. These new groups are coming into established, wealthy companies and just don’t have the passionate fire that BTS had when they debuted. They might be good, but they don’t have the fire. Instead of trying to recreate BTS, these new groups should be inspired by the work they put into becoming top tier performers and artists.
You all should understand already to differentiate the artist, do you think about Michael Jackson, Justin Bieber, Adele or any other western artists, and blame them for the little success of others on their same genre? No. Because it makes no sense, the members of a group, the music, the content, everything is different and you can not expect the public to react to it the same way since we all have different taste. So stop blaming one successful act for the things the others don't have
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist. No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point. .the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
I think the principle of this topic are completely wrong. We talk about "next BTS" when the BTS are still on the market making great results even individually and breaking more and more records. Agencies are spending more time looking for the "next BTS" than giving their artists the freedom and opportunities to express their talent. The difference between BTS members and other artists is huge, example: if JK, Jimin, V, Jin, Suga, Rm, Jhope, don't like something in the song, in the choreography, during Mv they have the knowledge and all the freedom to ask that it be changed and done as they want, or at least it is listened to their proposal, something that doesn't happen with other artists from other agencies because they have to follow to the letter what they are told to do. As long as the other agencies don't allow their artists to express themselves, they will not only beat BTS but will remain very little in the scene, as unfortunately happened with many other groups. Every artist must be himself and must have the goal of working constantly trying to improve more and more to achieve his dreams, not to beat others. Only then will the results come
8:47, I think its time to have a kpop band based on AC/DC, Axl Rose, Aerosmith, Red hot chilli peppers, Sex pistols etc... instead of dance based kpop bands.
I love how Army channels never hate on other artists to put up BTS That's what I never see with other Fandom channels they spread fake information, hate on BTS when they don't even know them personally, they undermine their achievements and I love how mature and fair this channel is You are loved and respected.
I'm not so into KPop but after BTS I'm willing to know another bands, so I do an exercise, listening random k pop playlists, and if a song attracts me, I save it, another way is listening the BTS collabs and recomendations, but it's really hard for me to be interested in other k pop bands furthermore BTS. However, I like stray kids, enhypen and TXT songs, and I knew The Rose because of Suga's Snooze, Colde, Tablo and Epic High because of RM and I'm starting to appreciate Korean music a lot. 😅😅😅
I personally only Stan BTS but I do like songs here and their too. I do also listen to playlist/albums to see if I like any…Personally have been drawn into groups (because of like a song or two) but I try more of their stuff out and it personally isn’t for me…(although I do like a lot of The Rose song but I discovered them before the collab with Suga and woosung) Edit; their are soooo many songs though, especially from bg, that I almost like. For example Bite Me by Enphyen is soo good until, personally, the chanting, then it deterred me away from the song. I want to like a song from beginning to end not just parts….I feel like chanting has become a far too common thing, Especially in bg…or some dance breaks ruin the entire song, just my personal opinion *bg=boy groups
Not "we", it's their own fandoms and management lables that are comparing them to BTS. BTS paved the way . Lol just tweet this n you'll see the response.
#they get so triggered when we say that it's so funny yet their faves say the exact same thing but the stans pretend they have never heard them say that 😭😭💀
The difference is Seventeen doesn't make as much money, are thdy really on top whem BTS make's up to 60% annually and 17 aren't close, Seventeen don't make their company alot of money
Through BTS I've "discovered" other Asian artists like The Rose, Imase, Leserrafim. I like some songs of many artists, but I don't stan the artists, not like BTS... They are not philosophical and interesting like BTS.
In my opinion, it's impossible to not compare all other K-pop bands (both genders) with BTS and I can't seem to get interested because, frankly, all other bands in the world that I have seen or heard about are not at BTS level. A few of many reasons is that I have difficulty figuring out who's singing because they mostly sound the same, they look too similar to each other and they keep changing their hair colors so I just can't keep up. I even tried out Black Pink (because their voices were unique like BTS), but I can't get behind their music which I find insulting to women in general. If I have to choose a girl group, it would be New Jeans.
yes that´s true about the vocals sound the same and no one is allowed to stand out on their own like BTS and create their own image. like jimin did with his dance and j-hope did with his music and performance. and also RM and Suga who has very diffrent writing styles and music styles. they have been making a name for themself within BTS and not the rest is following. Jk´s voice that can sing every style of music and V´s Unique jazz style that i have never heard in kpop before. they are breaking every stereotypes. and make everything possible. for BTS everything is possible. other groups like BP have max 2 solo songs each and i dont think any of them will be able to have enough songs to start a solo career on their own and not touring alone. they can´t even keep the fans entertained as it is. i have seen all the negative press on their concerts. but fans dont care dont only want to look at them. all members of BTS has more solo songs than all of them combined.
I've read these stories abd appreciate that their are other senior Army's out there just like me, a 76 year old Army that isn't embarrassed to admit they are a BTSd fan. Only today i met and was talking to a young Chinese girl and after talking to her for about 10 minutesI told her i was a BTS Army fan and thought i was really cool. She follows Black Pink. After about 1/2 hours, she said she was going to watch BTS. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet up again. Thankyou BTS, I've listened, and learned alot from the messages you spread to people of all ages and genders. Much ❤️
it is not that bts fans support other groups if there is no bts . they might lose interest in kpop ... how can you just say that 4th gen is not succeding because of bts , they made it world wide tho. they are one of the reason that kpop gone that far , if not it might confide in korea .
Outside of SNSD, what other GG has even lasted 10yrs...? GGs trend hop but they have no real longevity. 4th gen GG seem to make repetitive music that only copies Western trends for tiktok and quick viral-ness imo.
The constant comparison to BTS is a failing marketing strategy. The logic is every time a BTS record is broken someone steals a jewel from the BTS crown. The goal is to kick the kings off their throne to prove 4th gens can sit where BTS has already been. But what doesn’t work is BTS are still kings, sitting on the ground. They are their thrones. Break all the records that BTS did FIRST. The BTS legacy won’t be in the sales numbers. Their Legacy will be the FIRSTS they achieved. 4th gens selling their arena tickets in three seconds instead of BTS’s 4 seconds doesn’t make them BTS. 4th gen fans are losing their minds because BTS refused to go serve their country, lose their momentum or collapse altogether the way other bands did. BTS worked hard to leave gifts for Army while they are away. The seven year lifespan of boybands was because military service would starve an easily bored audience. It was built into the kpop entertainment machine to clean the slate to churn out more product for an audience that cares less for good music as long as it’s new. When the new wears off, a new debut season barfs up more product. BTS refuses to die because they are still delivering new and brilliant music. 4th gens have to keep proving that they are not just new, but hard working talented artists who can deliver quality music regardless of who stood on the stage before them. I’ve tried to listen to other kpop groups and after the third attempt if I’m not impressed I stop. So far none have impressed. I wish them every success-away from me. Away from the BTS I love.
I appreciate the nuanced take and production quality of this video. BTS is an outlier so they need to be excluded in any kind of comparison because they're a lightning in a bottle that cannot be replicated anytime soon. Do you think Blackpink should also be excluded from a similar comparison of 4th Gen girl groups?
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist. No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point. .the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
Maybe Justin Bieber blocked male artists from succeeding before BTS...? It sounds stupid, didn't it? I think that a lot of ARMYs aren't interested in kpop but in music in general. Kpop even isn't genre - it's industry. Despite Kpop is already popular in general because of BTS but we can't expect BTS's success. There are no "next BTS"
Bts is not the problem 😂 if you want to succeed just keep working hard and be creative the goal should be getting higher step by step not surpassing Bts or whatever Bts also had numerous kpop kpop groups and westren mainstream who are bigger than them but that didn't stop them
As you say is hard for them cuz BTS already did a lot of different types of music and also messages that they put in concepts , so I guess the thing they can do is doing their way. For example BTS did the whole BE on how they felt of the pandemic , which make more rentable to people that were working or doing more responsibilities cuz of BTS age but TXT did a song about it from their POV which is more how teens felt with how to hang out and going to school. So I think that’s is big way to attract audience but it will be audience around their age which is good but also not taking seriously in the west , meanwhile BTS still have songs they did in the beginning relatable to teens but not COVID teens lol. Also i think if they do a genre that BTS haven’t done like hard rock metal they will get attention but the issue is that doesn’t sell well in SK like dreamcatcher have that problem.
Now that's the thing it's NOT CONCEPT's with BTS it's their story and their development as people what effects them what there interested in it's not oh let have a new concept or lets follow that concept or this concept. BTS are far more real they write, produce what's important to them. Not just has a group but as individuals. Can you image anyone else other that Suga rapping about his own mental health? being real and raw about what he had gone through?
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You can criticise Bang si Yuk all you want, but thanks to his vision, his dedication to the group and his innovative marketing ideas, thanks to his foresight, clairvoyance, intuition and his faith in these kids, the BTS phenomenon wouldn’t have happened. They needed each other to succeed, and they did beyond imagination.
As BSY said, BTS are his children. He grew up with them. And obviously, he cannot act the same way with the newer groups; sad to say, but if you have not gone through the same hardships, you can’t relate the same way, whether you like it or not. BSY’s critics have to understand that.
TBH most of ARMY just aren't Kpop fans in that they are not interested in the rest of the Kpop Industries Acts.
And bts solos is another content to consume during grp haitus that fans just dont have time for other grps.
I agree, remove bts fr equation and we can see other grps success.
Thank you for saying this out loud!
yeah ,like me .
@@maryannbansan3376 I have never been as busy and flabbergasted as following bts during their chapter 2 like there is not one day of peace because of them😭😭🫶 though I could chill but they said nahhhh it ain't happening.
and before it was follow 7 people moving at the same time as a group during cbs but now is follow 7 ppl that can be in 7 different places at the same time on this earth and have 4828 songs and album releases too all in the span of a year😭😭😭😭 WE HAVE GOT MORE MUSIC IN THE LAST YEAR THAT GROUPS GOT IN THE LAST 4-5 YEARS IS THAT NOT INSANITY!??_!_(#(#)
Taehyung is releasing his album in a week and with him that will be 5/7 albums released from June 2022 until now. Like there is nobody busier than army nor more well fed than us like sawryyyy
The difference in my opinion, between BTS and the other groups, is that each member is highly talented. They proved it through their solo endeavours. Each one of them has been successful in their own way. There is not one member left behind.
And this is without counting their interesting personality, individually and collectively. What they sing does not sound hollow, their humility, their sense of humour, their closeness, their emotions on the sleeves can be felt in their RUN BTS videos, their stage performances. You can even notice if they had an argument before a performance, if you pay close attention to their behaviour on stage (it’s interesting to to observe )
Those BTS are true to themselves. That’s what make them so attractive
I would actually like to thank the BIG 3 and the k-Entertainment industry for contributing to their success. If they weren't blocking & bullying them they would've never have been forced to use other outlets like youtube and twitter. That was when the west got exposed to these underdogs and their passion for their music.
You have a point
Sometimes not getting what you want is a stroke of luck.
1000% correct!!!! The fact that BTS's Army grew organically by up close face to face fan meetings, meant BTS and Army totally controlled these events themselves and didn't allow the corporations to feed them the "popular" propaganda!!!! BTS allowed "unfiltered" access into their lives with their vlives and series, Run BTS and In the Soop!!!! We saw BTS engage in silly normal activities that many saw them as approachable and real. This was unprecedented and endeared Army to them to a degree never seen before and since!!!!
No other idol group has this type of relationship with their idol group/members!
@@nycjt6267 They definitely gave BTS the lemons that BTS used to make lemonade. BTS then used their own magic of love, respect and kindness to all to make it the sweetest lemonade that drew everyone to them. The BTS Effect is at work in the military now. Haters are just jealous and can’t understand why BTS is popular.
@@elaineOiwish One of the craziest things is that a lot of S.K gp dosent even know how famous and loved they are. Seems like it gets suppressed in their news (owned by rivals).
You can't compare talent. If you're talented, then you will be recognized one day. You can't expect fame and success to come right away. It took BTS 10 years, not to mention it's easier now for Asian artists to drop music in the West. BTS understands that this is not forever so they focus on longevity, substance, and authenticity. Only time will tell whether these young and new groups can last as long and make quality music like BTS.
Very well stated and I agree 100%.
Quality music! That’s the key. Music that you can relate to easily. BTS discography is a goldmine for those. Not just songs that you can dance to or get pumped with but that’s it. Those songs don’t usually last. It will just always be a passing fancy or a “trend”. We all know that those don’t really have longevity like the Classics!
This comment was absolutely right , what bts is doing is well planned and bts is not trying to make catchy song but making the music that they want to , rm said its not like that I don't like to top the chart but I rather ppl listen to my music and enjoy it even if it's not a lot of ppl
Like so many ppl criticized v for his music saying its boring , but it's the music that he loved army listen to frome him , not a song to just top charts or be viral , so it's the different btw bts and others , they love and enjoy music, not fame and money
@@Kookliet_and_jimeo 👏👏👏👏👏. Yes. That is the difference. V made the music he likes expressing his personality he knew going in how it would be received and did not care about ratings and all that other stuff. I for one absolutely love his songs. BTS don’t need all the bells and whistles other groups are vying for they already own e everything. They said it in their song Yet To Come. BTS music are already legendary. They are quoted from, used by scholars etc etc, heck they are even mentioned in textbooks.
I not only ❤the music BTS has given us, but who they are as a ‘family,’ individuals, their platforms, they’ve never been afraid of showing us their vulnerability, they’re like regular people, they’re humbleness, it’s not about business, their work ethics to give us their all in everything they give us, their music and performances… there is much more I love about them. The bottom line is they are REAL people, true to themselves, and shared everything with us ❤😂😢😅🎉😮😊 They are BEAUTIFUL young men who let us travel their life paths with them and continue to share with us!!!❤❤❤
First off, I believe that it's important to acknowledge that BTS is the sole reason why Kpop even became this globally popular. So with Kpop bands being able to promote themselves in the West very easily means that BTS are in fact HELPING these boybands become successful, bc now they have a bigger spotlight to do so. They have the tools now. The difference is that BTS were rejected and mistreated by the kpop industry because unlike the idols in the Big 3, BTS were extremely poor, their run down company almost went bankrupt and had no influence. So BTS decided to use their own means of communication with fans and has been making self made music and content predebut. BTS also had to work 10 times harder than their more privileged peers, and face backlash from so many different angles at such young ages. I believe they were able to reach more global attention this way without even intending to, because they never intended to blow up in the US. It's also important to note that BTS have been in the game for 10 years, these 4th gen kpop bands can't expect to reach the same success in 2 weeks, that's just not how it works. I also blame the labels who started this "next bts' agenda because none of them have walked in BTS's shoes. It's not fair to blame BTS for others not being as successful. BTS solidified a legacy, Seo Taji waited 25 years to pass the torch to the next group who would make Korea proud, and he passed it to BTS.
I 💯 % agree.
@@MaeMae888 agree...and Gg made now people made them same as bts level...which is and will not be in level of bts ...becoz their history is totally different to make same level...and i also try so hard to stan others becoz i also luv Blackpink stray kids 5 star album and svt new jeans...all r great but i just cant connect them like bts ..becoz i saw feels in bts eyes everytime...in each members...we know alot about them more than themselves i guess..some news highlight some are hidden becoz we also respected fandom if wesaw good real army.. THESE GOOD ARMY CHANGE FANDOM CONCEPTS AND ALSO VOTING STYLES BECOZ OTHER FANDOM DO SAME AS BTS ARMY WHAT I SAW....BRO BTS IS DIFFERENT GROUP..I ALWAYS INTUITION GET DEFINITELY SOMETHING BIG GOOD CHANGE IN MUSIC INDUSTRY HAPPEN IN FUTURE BECOZ OF THESE BTS 7 MEMBERS..THESE ARMY ARE POWERFUL AND STRONGEST FANDOM WHEN THEY CAMEBACK TOGETHER...START AGAIN WITH SAME BIGGEST PASSION AS THEIR EARLIER TIMES BUT DIFFERENT DETERMINATION..I THOUGHT GRAMMY NOMINATION IS THEIR PEAK ..BUT LOT OF THINGS YET TO LEFT TO ACHIEVE THEM ..I WONDER BIGGEST WORLD TOUR BY ANY GROUP HAPPENS OR ANYTHING.
THESE 7 STARS CHOOSE BY GOD TO CHANGE IN MUSIC INDUSTRY ...THEIR JOURNEY IS INCOMPLETE RN...THEY WILL NEVER GOING TO DISBAND...BUT I HAVE PREDICTIONS ABOUT THEM. ...I JUST HOPE BEST FOR THEM THEY HAVE MORE TO ACHIEVE IN FUTURE ALOT OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE LEFT FOR THEM...I WONDER IF JIN WASNT GOING TO ENLIST..THEY PERFORM AS GROUP IN FIFA WORLD CUP..BUT ANYWAY STILL BIGGEST FOR BTS AND OUR JUNGKOOK SHINE BRIGHTEST STAR ..LETS SEE WHAT COMES NEXT??
AMEEN FOR INCREDIBLE SUCCESS AND BEST MUSIC AND STAGE PRESENCE IN FUTURE ..THAT WILL SHOCKED EVERYONE.
@@MaeMae888Especially, racist remarks from foreign media, mocking them and Korean language, etc....the amount of hate they received to get to where they are now and worldwide is crazy....
In my opinion... BTS is on a different level on their own. Other groups are also good but human nature would tell us that if there is a standard of KPop it is BTS. WHY? BTS is a total package. Talent, songs, personality, humility, sincerity, uniqueness and most of all real love and appreciation of ARMY. We are their priority even on special occasion instead of partying with celebreties. Other groups followed the way BTS connects with fans because other groups realized it works. Just like if there was Beatles during our parents time we have BTS now and that's the standard. Thank you for this episode.
its BTS now.
I love Taji, but lets not forget Epic High ( who I have just become familiar with ) and to a lesser degree, Big Bang.
I'm a senior army and discovered BTS in 2020 through Dynamite. I was aware that there's something like k-pop and I just thought it's colorful genereric bubblegum pop for kids. As a GenX Rock and Metal fan I didn't even heard it on the radio. No, I was watching a youtube video of a dance crew who covered it. And the song had that familiar 70s feeling to it. I loved it and looked it up. BTS...aha...oh...a Korean boyband. Nahh, not my cup of tea. But I couldn't get the song out of my head and so I said to myself. "Oh look, there's a video by them called On. Let's watch it" and from that moment on I was hooked. And three weeks later I had the backcatalog of the 5 main albums. Through BTS I got in touch with k-pop. As I'm mainly interested in the music and not the whole package (visuals, merch ets. pp), there are rarely groups that stick out. Stray Kids is one of them. Shinee, a 2. Gen group, is another. And man, I discovered Seo Taiji !! :) I'm still not that much into k-pop in general. I think what got me into BTS is not only the variety of songs. There's a whole video about why so many rock and metal fans are attracted to BTS. :) That they were an underdog was one of the reasons. Every rock and metal fan can relate to that. What I wanna say is. It's really not fair to compare any group to BTS. It's obvious that they've found a way to attract different kinds of people, different ages, different beliefs, different backgrounds, different muscial tastes. It's really hard to live up to that.
It is naive to make comparisons. For this reason, since BTS did not break the mold but rather created and continues to create new ones, comparisons must be avoided and as the video that summons us says, separate BTS from the rest and listen to them without making comparisons because many groups are really good and deserve to be heard and recognized without comparing themselves with others or in any case, not comparing them with a group that exceeds all comparison. BTS, with their lives and RUN BTS shows helped me find many very good Korean musicians and bands.
@@proyectobcr2982 ehm..I didn't make comparisions. I said it's not fair to compare any band with BTS. And I said that I've found other bands I liked. What's your point? Or was that a comment to the creator of the video?
@@MsStageact I thought she was agreeing with you?
to compare them drives me nuts. They have been inspired by many different artists, and their main choreographer was obviously inspired by Michael Jackson, and that comparison makes me sick, mainly due to his personal life and while he was a very good dancer, he is given much more credit than he deserves.
@@LPnerdthank you so much for that!! I will give MJ his dues. Phenomenal dancer, music video visionary, amazing voice. His music was amazing. I never did care for him as a person. Make sense!? My opinion!
the problem i think is that management companies of the newer kpop groups are stuck trying to come up with "the next BTS." as a result, they tend to copy everything that BTS has done, down to marketing strategies. they forget to have their new boy bands to develop their own way and at their own pace. they're looking at everything short-term, and not long-term. while BTS grew organically, the newer boy bands seem manufactured according to targeted demographics. and therefore lack the authenticity that BTS has in their music. it may be unfair, but many critics have pointed out that BTS is made up of seven "beyonces" or seven "michaels" -- and indeed, this view is being validated as each individual BTS member is selling their solo albums in the millions worldwide, outperforming supposedly "big" kpop acts. the BTS formula simply can't be replicated; management companies should learn to let their artists be their own selves. that way, fans and consumers can discover unique talents, not just be offered copycat acts.
I couldn't agree more with your opinions!! It's not about comparing the other groups with BTS, .. it's all about " the lack of authenticity in the other Boy Groups" in their music ....
Love this , I said the same thing. One big factor with BTS is they were allowed to be themselves. I notice so many trying to have the look, characteristics as BTS and it just doesn't work. They need to let them shine in their own light.
Correct they look solely at figures rather what's behind those figures. They copy rather than allow their groups to develop naturally.
so true@@rebeccaavoca9143
It should also be noted that BTS’s rap line were true fans of the American hip-hop scene at a very young age, so they understood the music while most rappers in K-pop are assigned that role because they can’t sing. The BTS rap line could hold concerts with just the 3 of them. Rap isn’t just sounding good at rapping; it’s understanding, creating, and breathing hip-hop.
As a European (westerner) I became interested in BTS in 2022. I can’t be bothered with other K-pop groups (male or female) because they don’t resonate with me. What attracted me to them, was the brilliance of RM, stepping either forward (singing about high ideals) or backwards at the exact right time, boosting the others to shine or guiding them to excellence. Yet all 7 are talented or/and lovable. Ps in the eyes of a westerner all of them are naturally handsome without too much plastic surgeries (think about that too).
The "next BTS" won't come from a Big Three company or even HYBE -- if it ever comes at all. Ten years from now, some group that is currently scrounging in the dirt will have gained grassroots momentum to emerge as the next phenomenon the people have been hoping for.
The current groups are not beginning their journey at the same starting line. If it's a race to the top, they're starting at the 50% mark and some are okay hovering there. Which is fine. Not everyone is cut out for the top, nor would they necessarily be happy there.
BTS is on an other level…it’s called Legends ….don’t compare…legends are not born that easily. 💜
Well said!!! 💜
I have a very limited time because I am working 8 hours a day. I consumed my very limited precious time on BTS ONLY. I don't have time for other K-pop groups as I am not inspired by them. During their hiatus, there are still millions of videos to watch about OT7 not to mention their monthly surprise for us. I am happy, proud and contented being a BTS ARMY! TRUE BTS Army will not get tired watching their videos even watching it repeatedly because we love them wholeheartedly. PROUD LOYAL ARMY HERE!💗💗💗
As a senior ARMY, 64 yrs young, and starting from 2017, when I was dragged to a concert by my granddaughter, with warlocks in tow….i was taken by the first video!
What BTS has that no other boy Brian’s has is a synergy and brotherhood that is felt so strongly by ARMY! And BTS and ARMY are one force on their own!
I was at TXT, I like their songs, but as a group I didn’t feel the connection like BTS.
I’ve also seen Enhypen, I like more of their songs, and I felt a bit more connection as a group! They were very entertaining, but they are true K Pop!
Stray Kids…my niece and I didn’t stay for the entire concert. I just couldn’t get interested and neither could my niece!
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Perhaps if BTS didn’t set the bar so high, I might have felt differently. But I don’t view BTS as K-Pop! I own all their albums, and many concerts online. As for the other groups…..I haven’t even downloaded a song. I watch their videos once!
I wish I could have as great a passion for some if the groups, but I simply don’t!
As for Seventeen, I view them as as the same generation as BTS! Some are starting to hit their military requirement ages
Honestly speaking: even if new listeners (fans) want to objectively judge/see the success of 4th gen boy groups they cannot do that because the already existing fans of those groups, managments/labels of those groups and even those groups themself constantly comparing their achievments to BTS's achievments or try to "beat" BTS. That is so damaging to those groups cause BTS are on another level. BTS worked hard for over 10 years now, they started gaing global succes about 4 years after debut, they changed how world look at kpop and opened a lot of doors for the new groups. That big success what BTS achieved doesn't come in a minute. Because BTS set many records and win great prizes the other kpop labels think that their groups can do the same cause BTS is kpop so people have to love all kpop groups. They forget that BTS grew up that big fandom and became recognizable because of their hard work, artistry, progress in music and variety in music styles. You can't be original and stand out if you do the same what others before you. And you need to care about your fans much more than about money and fame. Without big and loyal fandom you won't be succesfull, famous and profiting from your work. Copying BTS won't let you be more popular than BTS. Also the amount of new groups that pop up every month, year make it more difficult to achieve longevity and success. Many times those new groups follow trends and their music isn't any difference that other groups. People become bored very fast. Groups and labes should focus on their own work. They can put BTS as example what they would want to achieve but they need to work their ass off. Comparing yourself to BTS all the time when you don't do even 30% what BTS did to get what they are now is useless
Truly agreed with what you said..comparing apples and oranges! The uniqueness of BTS is beyond imaginable...The 7 boys are like angels dropped down from heaven..the real raw deal! They are literally elevated by their faithful n passionate fandom n they truly worked unbelievably hard throughout their singing career n continue to do so post world wide famous!
This is like the other groups of the British invasion to the United States trying to catch up with The Beatles in the 1960s. Only a couple of groups of cheese close success to The Beatles only one I could think of is The Rolling Stones.
@@heyrobwest3908 True and RS still performing. I want that kind of longevity for BTS and since their brand of music truly transcends languages, l am hopeful.
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist.
No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point.
.the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
I listen to the music, if i like it I will look deeper, this happened to me with BTS, I haven’t found anyone else to take their place.
Exactly❤❤
Seventeen is not a 4th gen group. They are a 3rd gen group that debut in 2015
LOL, sorry to laugh, but I had no idea they debuted that long ago. they have gone as far as they're going.
@@LPnerdwhat would make you say something like this? They are working hard and gaining popularity year by year. Even if you feel this way why spread hate?
I honestly don't think many people here care to be frank, if they aren't BTS they don’t really rate in the mainstream Western music market.
Stray kids also they are seen on 2017....
I don’t even think of BTS as a K-pop group. They are bigger than just that designation. They have a wider musical influence and cover more genres than just Pop. They are a Korean Mega group.
Other kpop groups also incorporate multiples music genre in their music like Stray Kids, TXT, ATEEZ, Girls Generation... not just BTS
Make no sense you claim that they are not kpop (expect Joon's work)
@@yamasuuno I did not disrespect other groups. I do not listen to them or know much about them so can not speak about them. I only follow BTS and to me they don’t just do what I considered K-pop….which was overly manufactured, bouncy, w mindless lyrics. That was my opinion and perception of it from years ago. It had definitely changed now and I think that has a lot to do w all the BTS guys’ writings. Feel free to express your opinion but it doesn’t matter to me.
Seventeen is not a 4th gen group. They are a 3rd gen group that debut in 2015 or 2016.
I was shocked when she put them in with skz
I also was thinking if it's helpful to mention this. They were able to reach the huge milestone of selling the most album copies, more than BTS, but they've put in the long years of grinding that BTS also did in their early years. BTS, Exo, and Seventeen are prob. considered the top level 3rd gen boy groups.
and Stray Kids started on their survival show in 2017, and debuted 2018 so they're kinda borderline 3rd or 4th gen. But their success tends to group them with early 4th gen groups like TXT and Ateez.
@@carasss7775 I stan SVT & buy their albums and merch but i have to say honestly.. Pledis puts out so many versions of their albums. there are 13 members, some albums have 13 member covers, plus 10 versions throughout the comeback. Obviously they will outsell BTS who has 4 versions of albums at most, and never had individual member cover. no hate to SVT, but just stating facts. same goes for Ateez. I bought my biases cover albums in every comeback. that boost their sales tremendously. I hope Bangtan stays true to Army and not drop 7 album covers for each member, just to boost sales.
@@luna-88838 ah, didnt know they could have up to 13 "indiv member' covers. Kpop generally boosts album sales with various versions and loyal stans will preorder multiple copies. so I thought 3-4 was a lot, but maybe it is on the lower end for Kpop album marketing.
@@carasss7775 SVT Face the Sun main album had 5 versions plus weverse version, plus 13 carat (member versions), then repackage of the album as Sector 17 had another 2 versions plus 1 compact plus weverse version = total of 23 versions counting Face the Sun + reissue Sector 17 altogether. Ateez had similar marketing strategy but they had so many reissues with POBs and Lucky Draws from different Korea & Japan shops, I couldn't count. Note that I'm a fan of both grps. I'm just pointing that both companies know that fans will mass buy as long as they issue photocards & benefits. it's sad that's not about the music anymore. Not to say that BigHit is innocent but it's getting out of hand, me thinks.
BTS music is just so diverse that if someone likes music by mood, you'll have any genres to listen to whenever you feel like vibing into something.
These kpop groups are doing well on their own but the comparison with BTS is foolish....this band is literally a once in a lifetime type of an act, their numbers are just unbeatable at this point...they are on hiatus and yet their older songs gain more streams than the newest releases of the newer groups....lets not even get to the solo releases of the BTS members, they are outperforming major western acts...kpop acts are not even close. My point is please let these newer artists grow organically and let them feel accomplished with their milestones, these constant comparisons with an INDUSTRY GIANT will only make them feel as if they haven't achieved anything at all.
A lot of the blame actually goes to the companies that are only looking to make money and pitch their groups as the "next bts" while being inconsiderate about their artists actual musical growth...also, ARMYS hate it when people do the "next bts" bullshit ,we immediately turn our backs and there itself they are losing a huge audience. Not to mention the kpop fans that are at constant denial of how BIG BTS truly is and set their fav groups up for failure just for some stupid twitter banter.
Couldn't have said it better myself 🤝🤝 I know a seasone purple blooded twitter veteran when I see one🫡💜
There goes the sound of a educated person Bravo well said and thank you. Someone who looks at the whole picture and see's what's really going on.
BTS is on another level - NOBODY should ever blame them if other boy groups' success is "delayed". If there is great talent, it will come out. If it has not come out maybe not yet their time. NOBODY better blame a group who just happens to be brilliant and put in an extremely high level of hard work and depth of talent and skill in songwriting, conceptualization and performance. BTS is also backed by a committed and forward thinking production crew and a management team that kept their promise to the 7 men to provide them all resources to produce the best high class/high level performance productions and MVs. BTS is also deeply committed to creating content and sustaining that content satisfaction among fans and even potential fans. No, BTS has not blocked anyone, they just happen to be exceptionally extraordinary. BTS cannot and should not be faulted for that.
I learned of kpop long before BTS ever came along, my friend, who used to live in SK was a huge fan of Big Bang. I never understood the appeal, tbh. In 2019 she went back to SK and then the pandemic hit and there she stayed and one day during a zoom call she presented me with BTS. I've been Army since. I still don't listen to any other kpop artist, especially the girl groups are largely unappealing. It just seems so fake, I don't know. BTS struck me as authentic from the second I was introduced to them, and all the other groups seem so forced and not like the enjoy what they do in the least. It's like all of us with our mundane 9-5 jobs, we work hard because we have to to survive, not because we want to. All these groups seem excatly like that. Performing and making music is their job not their calling and people can sense that. Not all of them, obviously, but the majority. I've since heard some StrayKids and TXT songs and I liked them, but they're not on any of my playlists. I don't know BTS just resonates differently.
The album price for their (17) best selling album and the different versions you can tell they were purchased for the photo cards more than the love of their music. It was obvious by the streaming numbers.
I'm BTS Army. But I stand, Stray Kids, Ateez and many more. And I don't think SKZ or Ateez are the same as BTS, They have their own Style of music and performance. And the ones that are seem similar to other Idol groups, I still like watching them too.
#1) in 4th gen, Enhypen & Ateez stand out the most...they have a great diversity in each members performance style, their visuals and their personalities... As long as no one exhibits that they are only nice on screen but aholes off camera, I think these two groups will actually stand the test of time if they keep putting out good music. #2) I don't think BTS is blocking anyone. If the other groups were consistently creating quality, innovative music, people would listen. #3) Some of these groups are always FOLLOWING trends & the music is just noisy... They are choosing to be followers instead of creative leaders, and although I'm always exploring & listening to various groups, I find them very underwhelming. #4) BTS discography is truly unmatched, from hiphop, r&b, ballads, rock, neo-soul, pop. There is a BTS song for every mood!!! 💜
Start kids are most stand out 4th gen boy group, they write and produce all their music and are most successful sales and streams.
I started listening to kpop during 2nd gen when my cousin who is two decades younger introduced me to Super Junior. I just listened to random songs that I liked from different groups. I wasn't interested in the groups at all, but I stopped listening after a couple years. As I got much older, I started to care about lyrics, but there was no artist who can touch my heart including American artists. I got bored with musics so I didn't listen to music that much. BTS brought me back because they care about the lyrics, and they talk about everything not just love or breakup. I tried listening to the 4th gen you mentioned, but their musics are noisy to me. I also can't relate to their lyrics. When I was younger I didn't care about the lyrics as much, but now lyrics are important to me. Also, BTS always try different genres and I love varieties. BTS is the only group who never fail me even if it might not be my kind of genres.
feel the same
To put it simply, BTS has made a huge impact that goes beyond visuals, choreographies and the kpop industry in general. Also their notorious music knowlegde is what makes their discography sincere and superior. That's why no other group can and never will succeed like BTS. They're a group that happens once in a lifetime.
Yeah but everything has its end just like new jeans are the next big thing im afraid to say much more powerful than BTS cuz NJ did everything in just a year which took BTS like 8-9 years so yeah not everything lasts forever same goes for BTS i like them a lot but im glad that NJ are breaking BTS records and showing that nothing is impossible like NOTHING so these 4th gen BG need something more authentic and organic dynamic and ground breaking like NJ to stand tall in kpop scene cuz if NJ can beat BTS that means any other group can too but they lack creativity and tryna copy BTS but not NJ they are different and self made(im just giving example of NJ nothing else)❤❤
@NewBabyBunnyJeans first you need to realize NJ record label wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for BTS. That's the issue of fans of these 4th Gen groups none of them realize who opened the door for them. Hybe is the house that Bangtan Sonyeondan built and made it easier for all those who came after them to have success. Big Hit Entertainment before they even changed their name to Hybe made sure the group's that came after BTS were different and didn't follow the same mode as BTS. TXT is nothing like their big brothers nor is Enhypen like BTS. New Jean's just followed that flow of being different. Seventeen you can't count because they aren't 4th Gen, they're 3rd Gen and were already an established group before Pledis became a part of Big Hit Ent (now Hybe). So yes New Jean's is doing their thing but they still got privileges from being a Hybe group.
@@NEWJEANSNO.1fanboy They are not in the same league as BTS. No where near the same league.
@NewBabyBunnyJeans and do they write and produce their own music? do they write about their own struggle? NO they get songs handed to them made by good producers.
BTS did their own songs witch is way more impressive. everyone can learn how to sing and dance. if NJ have had a deferent label they would not have been popular. they where just luckly to get picked to sing these songs.
so you can´t compare them to BTS.
BTS proofed themself and that takes time and BTS was also amoung the first youtubers.
back then people didn´t know of korea, many thought it was north korea. BTS made it become the spotlight. so of corse NJ can do it quickly now that does not make them better in anyway. far from
@@lealarsen2017 True it's called sliding down the smooth path BTS laid out with their Blood, Sweat and Tears.
You have a really good point that measurement of 4th generation K-pop should not be compared to BTS but unfortunately the global media, K-pop fans and the general population are going to focus on the comparison. Most of BTS armies are going to stick with BTS and I’m a good example. I have tried to watch other groups and this may sound silly but I felt like I was cheating but without the excitement and anticipation. I just cannot connect with other groups in K-pop but also with any other music artists in the world. I’ve tried!
Oh my!!!! You are me and I am you!!! I tried too because BTS likes other groups so I tried to listen to them it just don’t take 😂😂😂
@@happystansot7892 😂
Oh thank God I am not alone l only like 2 artists in my life mj and now BTS forever i try to listen other artists but it doesn't work for me 😅😅😅💜💜💜
same here💜💜💜💜💜💜💜@@OT7FOREVER0
I am exactly the same way. I tried to watch NCT, straykids , Ateez etc. Nothing! They just all sound the same to me. They might have some fun and catchy sound but that’s basically it nothing special really. They all have the same vibe . The “I’m so tough and cool vibe” that sometimes it gets too over the top and cringey for me.
I also noticed that the fandoms is these groups are doing the same exact things that Army’s did BTS maybe to make their fandom more “family like”? I’ve never heard of fans giving each other gifts or giving stuff to people on concerts. Only in BTS CONCERTS! even when so watched the BTS concert in theaters , army’s are in the door handing gifts to people . now i noticed fans of other Kpop group are doing the same thing! Nice I guess but for some reason I find it cringey. I don’t know.
If you’ve been to a BTS Concert you’ll feel the oneness in the crowd. The positive energy is just so strong. It feels like you all know each other . It’s so amazing! Everyone was so helpful, polite and generous to each other. When I went to watch other Kpop concerts, my friend likes this one group so I went with her (I watched 2 this year so far ), and it just didn’t feel the same way. Yes, it was loud , fun , the usual typical concert feel, but the people ? It’s just a crowd! That’s it!
BTS is the first and only group that I’ve ever seen that whenever they receive an award or anything , the first thing out of their mouths is “AMI”. Always fill of gratitude to their fans. I see a lot of Kpop groups are doing that now. BTS are also knows to do vlives after their shows or awards show to thanks their fans - they don’t even attend after parties even if they were invited because they would rather spend it with their fans. Their sincerity i think is what makes people gravitate towards them. You can feel their honesty . Not saying that other groups are not sincere or don’t appreciate their fans . I’m sure they do. However , it seems like there is still something missing. I don’t know.
For 4th gen. Groups. I think TXT’s music is the one I prefer more. Not the ear noise music the other bands have. Listening to those groups gives me a headache after a while. Too much sensory overload .
Interesting, couldn't it also be that international fans like myself are only interested in BTS and not in other groups? It is not Kpop, even Pop, we want to listen to/hear about, just BTS and their music/lyrics/their message. I find this sentiment with my other BTS friends too.
And girl groups? What I have seen so far goes against all my gender sensitivities. So, no, thank you.
Maybe I should add I find it important to know about BTS's musical influences, be it Eminem, Big Bang or Epic High etc., but this doesn't apply to groups following them.
Same
Now imagine someone saying this to you:
"If you listen to Ariana Grande then you are obligated to listen to all the pop girlies in the industry!!!" Like... NO. I'm not obligated to be fan of everyone else in that industry just because I like one artist! 😂😂😂 It's so stupid!
Did Lady Gaga block the success of... Sounds... weird, doesn't it? I didn't know there was an order to success and artists had an expiration date. Fortunately, at the international level, this is not the case. And BTS's success is helping other Korean artists as well. Success is winning in competition with the best.
I wrote the same type of post.
Other groups are talented, but for me i love a group that started with nothing like BTS. I like some of the other groups but i love BTS so much, i have been army for 10 years, my heart only beats for BTS not other groups
The BTS comparisons run deep in the music industry. It's not just the groups themselves, but their fans, the media, the agencies and the international press. A group that continues improving their performance is successful. But that does not seem enough for a segment of the Kpop fandom intent on one-up-man-ship. Everybody wants a shortcut to fame and fortune but the reality is that achieving what BTS did takes time, much effort and perseverance. A Tiktok hit or a viral song are not going to build a long-term career all on their own.
Example cupid song one time hit and other songs from them flopped
@@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825 and don't forget the payola money which was like 6M dollars for TikTok push and spotify playlisting but it ran out😭😭 and whatever virality it had because of that push is also dying out seeing as the song barely gets 2m streams daily now when it had like 4M+ consistently a few months back but now Jimins some Like crazy is outstreaming it and being stable on the charts for months now.
Like a one hit wonder isn't gonna do anything for your career especially internationally we have fifty fifty, psy (he has and still is a legend in Korea that hasn't changed) and others as an example because the gp is fickle and unpredictable you need a strong foundation and a strong loyal fanbase. On the other side u have groups like svt, stray kids, nct and a few others selling 3-5M album copies but don't have the streams to match those sales and no stadiums in sight lol like what does that tell you of groups popularity except inflated numbers because of 10+ versions of an album.
I want the type of longevity that Coldplay, Beyonce, Metallica, epik high etc have for the tannies and from their close friendship with Coldplay and as the members have told us in recent years they could see that for themselves more easily now in comparison to when they were exploding and rising in fame 2016-2019 when they were filled with uncertainty and doubt about their future but now it's different and they have these long term goals they have set together as a group. So I'm happy that I'm gonna be on this wild journey called life with them for the next few decades lol 😂🫂🫂💜
here's another thing. Why are BS only compared in articles to other K-pop groups. as far as I know, when it comes to pop music there are only BTS, Taylor, and Coldplay in the same ballpark. I think maybe Halsey could be, but she seems comfortable where's she at. Just my thoughts, and I am not a pop music listener. Musicals and classical is more my lane, except for BTS and I listen to them just as much.
@@LPnerdit seems there's lots of rock/metal, classical, hip-hop/rap people who also likes BTS.
I'm also not fond of pop or Kpop, but I like BTS.
@@rafaelsmith5737 I've noticed this too. I was a theater kid, and my mom was a pianist so I grew up hearing classical music almost every day, LOL So I'm a music snob and my kids all make fun of me for it, they do not make fun of BTS.
I've also noticed quite a few metal fans react to BTS and fall in love. What is it , in your opinion, that draws them in so immediately?
Hi. I became a fan of BTS just before Covid and immediately was drawn to them not knowing anything about them and what drew me was their sound their style I fell in love at first note. They had what I had been looking for in music. It was after I heard them the first time I decided to look into other artist and found that their overall sound just did not appeal to me at all. So my thought is if other groups would like to make it they have to create something that appeals to the masses of people not just a certain segment. The loud bombastic senseless sounds just don’t do it for me. BTS’s overall mood is so acceptable and warm and this is something I personally don’t think for me other groups have to me, I don’t know about other people just me before anyone take offense at what I am saying. BTS lacks the trying to force you to like me attitude. What they have is intrinsic to them and cannot be duplicated. So for me to sum up my opinion is 4th gen boy bands needs to find what appeals to the listening ear and so far to me it hasn’t happened. TXT might be on the right path but to be honest the only music I proudly play loud is BTS because doesn’t have that manufactured cookie cutter KPOP style. For me they are mainstream.
I loved the I proudly play part 😂 💜me too
OMG this is exactly how i feel down to every detail. i am not english speaker so it´s hard to put into words, but this is just so simple and well explained. the other boygroups is just so loud and is all about attracting females with some cool moves. they dont care about the music and the message they put out. it´s all about money and fame. they lack originality and feels more manufactured.
I have been ARMY since 2018 when I happened to watch the Fake Love mv. I was hooked and immediately jumped down the rabbit hole of BTS. Because of their participation in award shows and programs like Music Bank, etc., I learned about and listened to songs by other groups in the K-pop industry, but none of them appealed to me like BTS. So I became a BTS fan, but not a k-pop fan. For me, the 4th generation groups just seem like they have to go louder and harder and perform like Cirque de Soleil acrobats in order to compete. Instead it’s all very similar and generic. It fits into the k-Pop sound. BTS does not and maybe never did.
For me, music and dance have always held court in my life.
Was never really into K-pop. Still not really. Just love BTS. Beyond their gifts in music and dance, the chemistry between the seven is unique, rare, not replicable. Nothing else tugs me. And individually, nothing/no one compares. I liked Prince and Michael Jackson, but I never knew their birthdays nor did I ever care to know. This is an odd phenom for me. I’m a GenX’er. I’ve never fanned before.
I resisted BTS 4 many months because I felt I only needed 1 K-pop group ,SF9. I'd only discovered SF9 a few months b4, not being a K-pop fan at all. While I still like them BTS has kinda overtaken my music life.No1 has had me so captivated since PRINCE!! I have been a follower of Prince 45 of my 52 years.Nobody ever came close 2 him 4 me ,even though I really liked Michael in my younger years . BTS has something that is hard 2 find or just non-existent in other groups or even individuals. The fact that their color is purple same as Prince's means something 2 me .🙃Like Prince always said ,there is no such thing as coincidences.
I've been a music lover since I was a kid. I listen to different songs even the old ones like 70s & 80s, depending on my mood. I never actually gave BTS a chance when I first heard about them in 2015 from my nieces because I thought they were just popular because of their good looks. Fast forward to 2019, YT kept on recommending their 2018 live performance of Idol at Jimmy Fallon. I kept ignoring it for days until I gave it a shot during my lunch break at the office. I was so amazed then that I started to realise why they are famous. After that, I would be sleeping at 3am-4am the following nights bingeing all videos of them I could find.
I swear I tried watching other groups but I just can't relate to their songs and I don't feel that satisfaction that I would feel until now from watching/listening to BTS.
It doesn't really matter that the comparison is unfair, the GP will be making it anyway. It's inevitable, and we should take it as a given when starting any critical analysis (or managers start planning). And if the Big 3, the labels and the idols themselves paid any attention to BTS at all they'd learn the hard-earned answer from Jin - accept yourself with all your own faults and mediocrities and aim to be better and to persist on your path. I mean, we've seen what happened with every attempt by studios to duplicate MCU without putting in the work and trying to skip the first steps and get to that billion immediately. Greed really is a logical fallacy, it forces these execs to ignore obvious truths and buy into the flimsiest of justifications in vain hope to get that large piece of pie that they hallucinated.
the success of BTS really started with giving them artistic freedom. Those other labels mostly don't do that. Those groups don't live their music, they mostly execute them. And they can do so very nicely, but still something is then missing. You can have talent and looks and what not, but if that foundation is missing, you'll never achive those higher places. People can feel BTS being genuine.
@@dagmarbubolz7999 Absolutely. Not to take away anything from BTS, but talent needs guidance, support and creative freedom to thrive, and I'm fairly confident as exceptional as any of them are on their own merits, none of the boys would be able to achieve what they have under management from the Big 3, if they even lasted long enough to debut
Just let those other's find their own way let them slowly connect with people who will like their music.
You can compare 1st & 2nd generation against BTS & they also will look unsuccesful. So the problem is always comparing to BTS.
We need all Labels to take real Care of their Artist Mental Health!!!
4th Gen Boygroups are actually in the best position: selling albums and concert tickets because of strong fandom support without the gp pressure. Better to be rich and kinda unknown than famous but financially struggling
For me, first it was their personalities that got me interested them(BTS), then their music. No one can duplicate them. I listen to all different kinds of music but only this group grip me to the extent I’m always looking out for their next music or any and everything they put out. The West is afraid of them, because they know once people see these guys or listened to their music they will be hooked forever.
It's not how this works. BTS is not blocking anyone, they are having their career. Would you say to Taylor Swift or Harry Styles they should step aside to let someone else through? Of course not. They are having their reign. It's all cyclical. This will all happen in time naturally. Someone will come along and be the biggest of that year. It may not be a Korean group, even though Korean Groups have flooded the market. It may be Filipino or Japanese Group and most likely it will be a multi racial or white group, from the UK or the States
Bravo well said, your comment it not only sensible, intelligent it is also completely true.
BTS IS THE MAIN CHARACTER
BTS PAVED THE WAY
THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND BTS
Completely agree that the achievements of other bands cannot be compared to BTS. There are very good groups in male k-pop, I think something that blurs the achievements a bit is the number of existing groups where attention is pollinated and the time people have to appreciate them. I feel like BTS's main play will be when they start (if they do) to sing in Spanish. I must be honest that until now only BTS has enchanted me in all their content. There are many songs from other male k-pop bands that fascinated me with their dancing, singing and lyrics, but not all the material from each group, as has happened to me with BTS, not for that reason belittling the other bands that are very talented. Maybe there is also a problem in that there are small cores of fans of each group that are very hostile towards the fans of other bands and that causes (unfairly) people to reject the bands of the hostile fans because they feel that they speak on their behalf. (I hope the message is understood since I am using a translator). Greetings from Argentina.
Totalmente de acuerdo. A mí me pasa lo mismo. Todas las canciones de BTS me gustan. Música y letras.Coreografias !! También el hecho de haber sufrido la presencia de cámaras filmando su vida ,real o no, ha acercado a los miembros a sus fans. 😊
Same! I did try to like other kpop acts just to see if my like for BTS will go that way too and it seem I really only like BTS' style of music. I don't know why its just BTS hits me different, ONLY them.
Hi Argentina, US hear. I may be wrong, but isn't Argentina where Jin traveled to sing Astronaut with Coldplay. If it is, that was so heartfelt when Chris held his arms out to Jin who ran to him. They love BTS so much and army and Coldplay fans were amazing. Coldplay appeared on SNL and wore Astronaut pins and was backed by a choir who all wore Astronaut pins. If you haven't seen it I encourage you to check it out. Thank you and your language was perfect.
@@carolfaye8557 I cried in that Jin live performance w/ Coldplay, it was so heartfelt that Jin wanted to perform for Army before his enlistment. Im so happy for his fans/armys in that concert.
@@carolfaye8557 Certainly, Jin was in Argentina. I know the mutual respect and affection between Coldplay and BTS. We mustn't forget that Jin was the one who insisted on the collaboration between the two groups because of his admiration for Coldplay, I think that's partly why Chris agreed to collaborate with Jin for El Astronauta.
5m copies with 273646 versions and 473747 photocards. Now take that from them and put only 2 or 4 version and see how many sales they're going to get lol.
If we're going to talk about success and be realistic in the in-depth of the "achievement" not just looking at the overall number.
Just saying.
I discovered K-Pop because of BTS, their songs have meanings, have purposes and are impactful. There's a genre for everyone and thry are in a league of their own. I tried to listen to other k-pop acts, but it just doesn't do it for me. The love between Armys and BTS can never be replicated because it is real, true and sincere.
Love them or hate them, accept it or not, admit it or not, BTS opened the global floodgates for k-pop, they paved the way for other groups and the future generations (i am not disrespecting the older generations). Every success, achievement is deserved.
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” as is said for art and the same applies with musical interests. I could say exactly the same for another group that got me into K-pop. We all have different journeys and this takes nothing away from the amazing success and influence of BTS and their solo works.
Theres a buzz going over bp's song claiming they paved the way. Although we all know bts paved the way, can you make a video abt this for newer kpop fans' info. Tia
wait can you explain more
@@dibamansur4843theres a bp song where the lyrics say 'we paved the way'
@@maryannbansan3376 no way how delulu are they
@@maryannbansan3376 😂😂😂😂, well I don't know the song but if there is that line then , let them say it by themselves when others are not saying .
seventeen is a 3rd gen kpop idol as they debuted on 2015 but if your referring to the subunit BSS yes theyre a 4th gen.. 😊
I am a 54 yo woman. I have listened to other K-pop groups, and I liked a few from boy groups, girl groups irritate me for some reason. The fact that I love BTS still astounds me sometimes, because a year ago I wasn’t even remotely interested. I do believe that I might have heard a few of their songs before I found them on my radar, but I really didn’t think much about it. Like so many have said before- you discover BTS when you need them the most. The fact that they have dug so deep into their souls, and those experiences gave breath to their music is what sets them apart from other groups.
It also seems that other groups are trying to manufacture another BTS ( with their own spin of course) instead of trying to think of different solutions outside the box. The K-pop industry generally is one to follow a certain set of guidelines, and BTS had to approach everything differently because they were not allowed to follow those guidelines.😢. Not really sure what would be a solution for K-pop boy groups, but I do feel for them.
Fact is that I really am not interested in K-pop in general, I am not really interested in most current music really. Just like I am not really an acapella lover, but I love the group Home Free while I can’t stand Pentatonix. So, I equate liking a certain group over another as a personal preference.
That not being allowed to follow the guidelines really hit me
I also disagree that 4th gen boy band isnt being successful. Bc from what i have seen so far they are making it out there.
Why is it always BTS fault? When thry were just starting, its their fault. Now, that theyre kicking everyone's asses its their fault. Stop making BTS as a escapegoat.
I as an army is NOT into kpop at all. I have listen to the other groups, but it wasnt for me. So thats fine
Seventeen is a 3rd gen group like BTS. They debuted 2015.
Unintentionally, BTS did not set the standard too high for the other boyband. But because of the hardship, struggles and bullying that they got they just worked very hard to enhance their craft and artistry. I'm not a BTS fan before but now I really do understand why they were being loved and adore by the armies and even a fan who is not an army. Now that I'm 50+ years old, I've come to realized that they were really so amazing and inspiring. So, at this age I considered myself as Baby Army.
Please explore BTS in deepth. They have many songs and good personality. I hope u can connect with them
Whats the shit with 1st...2nd...3rd...4th gen? They are not cars or other objects!
I don't think so , ex if I talk about me I never liked k-pop to begin with, so if I don't like something there's no way I'm gonna waste my time on them right, but as soon as I saw one of BTS member I got vey interested in getting to know more about him and end up knowing about BTS and k-pop, and through them i gets to know about other k-pop idols too, but they didn't impress me much so I stick too my bias only coz now k-pop is all about which company is investing more on which grp and make them famous, before it was not like this , BTS struggled and their hardwork make them too famous, now company investing on new groups instead of BTS , so that's also the reason i don't like others that's it and also new groups fans are ridiculous and brainless always try to attack my bias coz he's loved and successful.
Exactly
Honestly, I've loved Suchwita because it turned me onto other amazing groups that do differ artistically from BTS, e.g. Seventeen's focus is more mood music, which isn't an itch BTS scratches for me. But it took Suga to make kpop in general more digestible for me. Esp. because Hybe's the only label who consistently adds Eng subtitles to new MVs. I've put off really diving into Stray Kids because their Eng. translations aren't as systematically and straightforwardly bingeable that I've found. But it is interesting that girl groups get more unique streams but fewer replays. I find boy group material more replayable so far, though I've started trying out more girl groups.
Seventeen is a 4th gen group? I don't think so. 4th gen starts at around 2018. No?
It is hard to look past BTS, but they've set the bar very high. I do watch/listen to other K Pop groups/artists, they are good, don't deny that. My all time favorite is BTS though, love their OVERALL performances; choreography, singing and personalities they bring to the stage. BTS can't stop being BTS just to appease to the K Pop industry, K Pop fans that want more recognition for their group. It is sometimes frustrating I know, I've liked plenty of western groups that were good, but did not rise to the top, rather stayed in the middle with a lot of other groups. I think in my opinion, BTS has been harshly criticized in past, not given the same opportunities that the new generations have now due to BTS, but now BTS is being criticized or at least talked about in terms of casting too big of a shadow. I think K Pop will always be known for having "BTS", they just need to keep on doing what they are doing, fans will appreciate them. It's human nature to compare, no matter what it is, no matter the circumstances, it's human nature. I've never seen so much complaining or not sure what to call it (don't mean to offend anyone), about the K Pop industry, their artists, too much, too little....too, too, too. I've also never experienced fandoms either until getting to know BTS. I'm new to K Pop. I actually was introduced to K Pop by listening to a different group, I thought they're good, listened to another group and thought...hmmm sounds kind of the same but still good. I was later introduced to BTS and was completely blown away, wanted to know what they were saying in the songs, wanted to watch their videos. I could not tell at all who was the "weak" dancer, who had to learn how to sing, all I saw was their incredible in sync choreography, heard their vocals. Once I actually started watching K Pop MV's, I didn't really go back to the group I started out listening to for reasons I won't say. I have however, been watching other groups, not all of them are "good", but again, I'm looking. People will gravitate to what appeals to them the most and BTS on MANY levels appeal to many people. It's probably not a satisfying answer, but again, just because we don't see results our way, doesn't mean they're not good or valid results. I love watching your videos BTW, very informative and open minded.
To me enhypen ix the best
The futur of kpop after bts
Thats what i believe
Attez also had capacity its not about who sells more or who made a powerful and loud voice
Enhypen had rock ballad...
And what attract me the most is the lyrics is sooo good simple and had a meaning
the coreography are so good to me
As a groupe their music is the best after bts and tvxq
These 3 groupes are legends
No hate for other groupes
Im bts army
And i agree that there is no other groupe can beat bts because they have been hated mocked and they take the hate and Mockery very well by changing themselves to be on top of the charts
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I agree that you cannot compare 4th Gen groups with BTS (tho I thought Seventeen was considered 3rd Gen - they debuted in 2015). BTS’ circumstances were very different from boy groups now. The thing is 4th Gen boy groups CAN have the success (or close to) that BTS has, but it takes time. Some are good enough to be marketable to a wider audience, but BTS fandom grew to what it is now in a span of 10 years and it continues to grow. Stay, Carats, engenes, moas, Atiny and others will continue to grow but they are growing while ARMY is still growing. They just need to stick to it. Their companies need to keep investing and marketing them for a long time. I think some companies and groups end up quitting prematurely.
Seventeen is 3rd gen. 4th started in 2018.
Most ARMYs love BTS, not Kpop, I'm one of them.
BTS and Kpop are two different things in my opinion. I couldn't care less about other groups and their immature, toxic fandoms. The Kpop industry is far too competitive, resulting in fandom wars that I can't stand. I literally h8te the Kpop industry and the day BTS retires I'll quit this m*ss with unconcealed joy.
There will never be a "next BTS" because all those groups lack 1 thing...ARMY.
BTS built ARMY organically, from the bottom up, by connecting openly and honestly, and that has never changed.
They didnt need to continue doing lives, finding new ways to connect with the fans, and working their butts off to leave us with so much content while they do their ms after they got bigger.
And other groups will never have the songwriting talent BTS has. They may have 1 or 2 that write, but none of them have that touch.
I'm a little confused why you would put Seventeen in 4th gen. Every other place I've seen puts them in late gen 3.
I'm sorry, I hear everything from classic, culture, historical music and music generally. Apart from BTS, I have not yet found a kpop group that has convinced me in terms of human, musical and dance style. another problem is that certain fandom have fun throwing other artists under the bus. my understanding of music is one with each other and not against each other. Why should I give fandoms or groups with this behavior a chance? I've seen and experienced too much crap, so I'm sticking with those who appreciate me.
BTS are not blocking anyone, they are just unique & new gen kpop groups aren't bringing anything new, just more of the same old kpop recipe.
If they want people to eat what they cook, they have to make it interesting & delicious or different.
That doesn't seem to be the case, they are all cookie cutter kpop.
Im sorry, i just want to point out that Seventeen is 3rd gen not 4th gen, Seventeen debut 2015
Their success has a lot to do with their growth and intention. BTS came from nothing into nothing and had to make something out of nothing, against all odds. They had something to prove to the media, to the Korean music industry, to fans, to their tiny company, to the haters, and to themselves. That motivation pushed them to work harder. These new groups are coming into established, wealthy companies and just don’t have the passionate fire that BTS had when they debuted. They might be good, but they don’t have the fire.
Instead of trying to recreate BTS, these new groups should be inspired by the work they put into becoming top tier performers and artists.
You all should understand already to differentiate the artist, do you think about Michael Jackson, Justin Bieber, Adele or any other western artists, and blame them for the little success of others on their same genre? No. Because it makes no sense, the members of a group, the music, the content, everything is different and you can not expect the public to react to it the same way since we all have different taste. So stop blaming one successful act for the things the others don't have
Wait a minute... Seventeen is not 4th gen...
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist.
No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point.
.the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
I think the principle of this topic are completely wrong. We talk about "next BTS" when the BTS are still on the market making great results even individually and breaking more and more records.
Agencies are spending more time looking for the "next BTS" than giving their artists the freedom and opportunities to express their talent.
The difference between BTS members and other artists is huge, example: if JK, Jimin, V, Jin, Suga, Rm, Jhope, don't like something in the song, in the choreography, during Mv they have the knowledge and all the freedom to ask that it be changed and done as they want, or at least it is listened to their proposal, something that doesn't happen with other artists from other agencies because they have to follow to the letter what they are told to do.
As long as the other agencies don't allow their artists to express themselves, they will not only beat BTS but will remain very little in the scene, as unfortunately happened with many other groups.
Every artist must be himself and must have the goal of working constantly trying to improve more and more to achieve his dreams, not to beat others. Only then will the results come
8:47, I think its time to have a kpop band based on AC/DC, Axl Rose, Aerosmith, Red hot chilli peppers, Sex pistols etc... instead of dance based kpop bands.
How can they be like the bands you mentioned if they cant sing?
I love how Army channels never hate on other artists to put up BTS
That's what I never see with other Fandom channels they spread fake information, hate on BTS when they don't even know them personally, they undermine their achievements and I love how mature and fair this channel is
You are loved and respected.
Seventeen is not a 4th gen group.
Oh, cut the bullshit. It's just you guys don't pay attention to groups outside of the big 4 anymore.
I'm not so into KPop but after BTS I'm willing to know another bands, so I do an exercise, listening random k pop playlists, and if a song attracts me, I save it, another way is listening the BTS collabs and recomendations, but it's really hard for me to be interested in other k pop bands furthermore BTS. However, I like stray kids, enhypen and TXT songs, and I knew The Rose because of Suga's Snooze, Colde, Tablo and Epic High because of RM and I'm starting to appreciate Korean music a lot. 😅😅😅
I personally only Stan BTS but I do like songs here and their too. I do also listen to playlist/albums to see if I like any…Personally have been drawn into groups (because of like a song or two) but I try more of their stuff out and it personally isn’t for me…(although I do like a lot of The Rose song but I discovered them before the collab with Suga and woosung)
Edit; their are soooo many songs though, especially from bg, that I almost like. For example Bite Me by Enphyen is soo good until, personally, the chanting, then it deterred me away from the song. I want to like a song from beginning to end not just parts….I feel like chanting has become a far too common thing, Especially in bg…or some dance breaks ruin the entire song, just my personal opinion
*bg=boy groups
So don't compare BTS with other k-pop groups
Not "we", it's their own fandoms and management lables that are comparing them to BTS. BTS paved the way . Lol just tweet this n you'll see the response.
totally agree sis .
#they get so triggered when we say that it's so funny yet their faves say the exact same thing but the stans pretend they have never heard them say that 😭😭💀
As a kpop fan since super junior i understand why BTS and SVT are on top
The difference is Seventeen doesn't make as much money, are thdy really on top whem BTS make's up to 60% annually and 17 aren't close, Seventeen don't make their company alot of money
Through BTS I've "discovered" other Asian artists like The Rose, Imase, Leserrafim. I like some songs of many artists, but I don't stan the artists, not like BTS... They are not philosophical and interesting like BTS.
In my opinion, it's impossible to not compare all other K-pop bands (both genders) with BTS and I can't seem to get interested because, frankly, all other bands in the world that I have seen or heard about are not at BTS level. A few of many reasons is that I have difficulty figuring out who's singing because they mostly sound the same, they look too similar to each other and they keep changing their hair colors so I just can't keep up. I even tried out Black Pink (because their voices were unique like BTS), but I can't get behind their music which I find insulting to women in general. If I have to choose a girl group, it would be New Jeans.
yes that´s true about the vocals sound the same and no one is allowed to stand out on their own like BTS and create their own image. like jimin did with his dance and j-hope did with his music and performance. and also RM and Suga who has very diffrent writing styles and music styles.
they have been making a name for themself within BTS and not the rest is following. Jk´s voice that can sing every style of music and V´s Unique jazz style that i have never heard in kpop before. they are breaking every stereotypes. and make everything possible.
for BTS everything is possible. other groups like BP have max 2 solo songs each and i dont think any of them will be able to have enough songs to start a solo career on their own and not touring alone. they can´t even keep the fans entertained as it is. i have seen all the negative press on their concerts. but fans dont care dont only want to look at them. all members of BTS has more solo songs than all of them combined.
You sum Blackpink Music in few words, amazing
I've read these stories abd appreciate that their are other senior Army's out there just like me, a 76 year old Army that isn't embarrassed to admit they are a BTSd fan. Only today i met and was talking to a young Chinese girl and after talking to her for about 10 minutesI told her i was a BTS Army fan and thought i was really cool. She follows Black Pink. After about 1/2 hours, she said she was going to watch BTS. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet up again. Thankyou BTS, I've listened, and learned alot from the messages you spread to people of all ages and genders. Much ❤️
In my opinion nobody outside korea compares any K-pop group to BTS im not a kpop fan I'am A bts Fan!! and once BTS retires Ill be done with K-pop.
it is not that bts fans support other groups if there is no bts . they might lose interest in kpop ... how can you just say that 4th gen is not succeding because of bts , they made it world wide tho. they are one of the reason that kpop gone that far , if not it might confide in korea .
Outside of SNSD, what other GG has even lasted 10yrs...? GGs trend hop but they have no real longevity. 4th gen GG seem to make repetitive music that only copies Western trends for tiktok and quick viral-ness imo.
The constant comparison to BTS is a failing marketing strategy. The logic is every time a BTS record is broken someone steals a jewel from the BTS crown. The goal is to kick the kings off their throne to prove 4th gens can sit where BTS has already been. But what doesn’t work is BTS are still kings, sitting on the ground. They are their thrones. Break all the records that BTS did FIRST. The BTS legacy won’t be in the sales numbers. Their Legacy will be the FIRSTS they achieved. 4th gens selling their arena tickets in three seconds instead of BTS’s 4 seconds doesn’t make them BTS. 4th gen fans are losing their minds because BTS refused to go serve their country, lose their momentum or collapse altogether the way other bands did. BTS worked hard to leave gifts for Army while they are away. The seven year lifespan of boybands was because military service would starve an easily bored audience. It was built into the kpop entertainment machine to clean the slate to churn out more product for an audience that cares less for good music as long as it’s new. When the new wears off, a new debut season barfs up more product. BTS refuses to die because they are still delivering new and brilliant music. 4th gens have to keep proving that they are not just new, but hard working talented artists who can deliver quality music regardless of who stood on the stage before them. I’ve tried to listen to other kpop groups and after the third attempt if I’m not impressed I stop. So far none have impressed. I wish them every success-away from me. Away from the BTS I love.
I appreciate the nuanced take and production quality of this video. BTS is an outlier so they need to be excluded in any kind of comparison because they're a lightning in a bottle that cannot be replicated anytime soon. Do you think Blackpink should also be excluded from a similar comparison of 4th Gen girl groups?
They must b at a high level to compete. They are not. Simple
I think a lot of ppl missed the point that a lot of BTS fans are not kpop fans but are Bts fans. I can attest to this .I may like a few others kpops songs but definitely not fangirling over the artist.
No disrespectto any artist but I think ppl definitelymissed this point.
.the only reason why I know some of IU songs is because JK wouldn't stop talking about her so I had to find out who this girl was.
Just so you know 17 is considered to be a third generation K-pop group not a fourth generation
Also: Thank you for your excellent work on these videos!
Maybe Justin Bieber blocked male artists from succeeding before BTS...? It sounds stupid, didn't it? I think that a lot of ARMYs aren't interested in kpop but in music in general. Kpop even isn't genre - it's industry. Despite Kpop is already popular in general because of BTS but we can't expect BTS's success. There are no "next BTS"
Bts is not the problem 😂 if you want to succeed just keep working hard and be creative the goal should be getting higher step by step not surpassing Bts or whatever
Bts also had numerous kpop kpop groups and westren mainstream who are bigger than them but that didn't stop them
Yes they are all trying to' Run before they can walk' mindset. Instead of taking those small steps slowly until they reach the top.
Seventeen is also a 3rd Gen group. BTS is just 2 years ahead.
BT’s help us in many ways
Stop compare to bts
As you say is hard for them cuz BTS already did a lot of different types of music and also messages that they put in concepts , so I guess the thing they can do is doing their way. For example BTS did the whole BE on how they felt of the pandemic , which make more rentable to people that were working or doing more responsibilities cuz of BTS age but TXT did a song about it from their POV which is more how teens felt with how to hang out and going to school. So I think that’s is big way to attract audience but it will be audience around their age which is good but also not taking seriously in the west , meanwhile BTS still have songs they did in the beginning relatable to teens but not COVID teens lol. Also i think if they do a genre that BTS haven’t done like hard rock metal they will get attention but the issue is that doesn’t sell well in SK like dreamcatcher have that problem.
Now that's the thing it's NOT CONCEPT's with BTS it's their story and their development as people what effects them what there interested in it's not oh let have a new concept or lets follow that concept or this concept. BTS are far more real they write, produce what's important to them. Not just has a group but as individuals. Can you image anyone else other that Suga rapping about his own mental health? being real and raw about what he had gone through?
I wish I can keep up with more than one group 😂😂😂😂