Apparently the next firmware update will have an option for higher bitrate. Personally my PC loves the Action 5 footage as it's so much easier to edit with.
I fully agree. I just picked up my action 5 pro yesterday, I am really impressed by it. Also compared to the OA4. But I agree they should make an update with a high bitrate option!
I can really say there is a big difference in the dynamic range compared to my oa4. which is one of the reasons I wanted to upgrade. I have not really noticed any big differences in de image quality in regards to the so called lower bitrate (which is a positive note). but still I would like Dji to bring a high bitrate option.
even if they do, camera can't do over 100 bitrate I think, and if can it will deffo lower battery life and might cause overheating, as much as I would like to get one I think I will wait and stick with Action 4 for now
It's out and it will go over 100 now. 256gb card with standard bitrate at 4k30 gives me about 9 hours of recording and on high it goes down to 5 hours .
Even though I'm completely happy with the battery life of my osmo action 4, I think most of the mainstream users would benefit from the battery life improvement compared to the max bitrate. I like this decision, but I, too, would love to get an option for a high bitrate mode in a future firmware update.
The reduced bitrate is probably due to the impressive efficiency. I am not convinced the bitrates are a "massive" step down. h265 is a lot more efficient at the same quality level than h264 is. More is not always better. Lets wait until we see some real world examples and comparisons before calling them out for trying to build an action cam that is so much more efficient as the rest.
Action 4 recorded in the same codec at 130mbs... You don't go below 100mbs on any 4k footage no matter which codec you use, it's the bare minimum and even at 100mbs you're still sacrificing a lot of quality in complex scenes. Professional camera users wont ven go below 200mbs in 4k and all a lot of ProRes 4k codecs go to 500+mbs ... If it was possible to retain quality at low bitrate then Sony would be doing it in their mirrorless cameras. It isn't, bitrate is information, higher resolutions need more bitrate/information to retain detail, its a fact of videography that DJI can't skirt
@@bingbong6127 I would agree if it was AV1 but The Action 4 records H265 90mbps when using at 4K30. That said I think it will be fine for most everyone but time will tell. I am upgrading but this revelation is concerning. I hope a firmware upgrade will give us an HBR option. Keep complaining and they will most likely do it. Not everyone needs 4hrs of battery life.0
Action 4 is also H265. More efficient codecs take more processing power which is why they are not using AV1 which is what they would have to use to justify a bitrate reduction.
Bitrate can really be a bit of a placebo. I’ve done extensive tests on my A7Siii and have settled shooting most of my footage at 45Mbps instead of the maximum of 200Mbps. Purely because there isn’t really a difference. If the codec is good then it doesn’t have to have high bitrate. Sometimes higher bitrate just takes up more storage space and more processing power.
thank you, I've done extensive testing with the 30mbps on a7siii's 4k24, colorgrades just as well as 100mbps. helps keep long recordings reasonable sized. was disappointed DJI's don't have a lower bitrate option on their drone/cameras. now that they do people are whining.
It can but it's also highly dependant on the scene. A stutaion with little movement or a single subject like a to camera will be fine however strap that to a bike or have a scene with all movement then you will start to struggle. I fully agree not every scene needs high Bitrate but there are some that will.
I got one yesterday. I have the original OA 1 and I think the image quality is better from it than the OA5. The bitrate is 50 from the 5 and 100 bits from the original OA. The 5, to me, looks over processed and over sharpened even with the sharpening and NR to -2 each. I hope DJI will release a firmware soon to update it. I was pretty excited for this new one but it has been a bit of a let down, IMO.
DJI has implemented a new high-resolution sensor in the A5P for low-light advantage, but the maximum video resolution is only 4K. This is primarily for HorizonBalancing. In footage without HorizonBalancing, almost all sensor data should be used, but they may have uniformly reduced the video size before RockSteady 3.0+. I think so because they have introduced HorizonSteady for 360 rotation compensation. If so, it is unlikely that the A5P will support 100Mbps+ in the future. Reviewers have found that the A5P footage has less detail in clouds and distant building walls than the A4, GoPro13, and Ace Pro. This may be due to the incompatibility of the new sensor and the existing lens. There have also been reports of abnormal lighting at the edges of objects and backgrounds. The A5P certainly offers high dynamic range and ISO, but the complex exception handling for various features seems to be poorly tuned for image quality.
So obviously, DJI's camera division doesn't give a crap about FPV. Kind of fair since you're only 5 or so percent of their overall sales. Just stick to GoPro and be happy!
The GoPro Hero 13 Black isn't "better" per se' in high bitrate mode... DJI has encouraged all the reviewers to compare the footage between the Hero 13 Black and Action 5 Pro. Let's just say DJI has put their money where their mouth is. They honestly WANT the comparison. You don't do that if you believe you are inferior. To my knowledge, GoPro hasn't requested or encouraged their reviewers to compare the 13 Black to the 5 Pro.
reading the texts like this one just shows that marketing works. read what dc rainmaker stated about his osmo 5 review, he was not given "free for competition unit". You'd me amazed how shameless marking is now. Both sides. Nobody's saint.
@2:33 does this mean it now connects with the MIC2 via some proprietary link, like I assume the receiver works? Or is it still via bluetooth like the OA4 ?
I didn’t realize how much faster the editing and rendering would be with the lower bit rate. The output still looks great but processes much faster. The trade off/compromise on bitrate works for me, first time using DJI long term GoPro user.
@@BraxChat I've only recorded one MTB video so far, and for my purposes it looked pretty good. But then again, I am not a professional looking to produce videos for revenue.
One thing we immediately noticed is that the low bandwidth is really frustrating as you also said in your video. Soon I will make a real comparison between the two in a video in Italian and I will talk about it too and I will take the liberty of quoting your video so that others can come and see it if you agree. Great content as always.
to late for the warning mine should be here on Saturday , mind you it is the first Action update I have made since I bought original version 1 which is still in use , no wasted money upgrading yearly for me 😅 still undecided on buying the Mic 2 to go with the camera ?
Action 5 Pro just got a firmware update. Pretty interesting but they didn't change the bitrate. This reminds me of when HTC went with a 4 mp camera sensor against the common thought that the more MP the better!
So if this is a superior chip i'm guessing this would be a firmware issue to increase the bit rate? I also watch some video reviews comparison and the Action 5 Pro almost does everything well except in some videos the colors look washed out on a sunny day if this is a firmware issue that would be great
Very interesting. I didn't see anything from anybody else about the bitrate. Hopefully there will be a firmware update soon that allows a higher bitrate with the reduction of battery as a compromise. I don't need 4 hours of recording (I'd argue that most people using these would agree). The higher bitrate would be far more important to me. Mine should be here in 2 days, so I guess I'll get to see for myself when I'm traveling next week with it.
Bit rate isn’t always the best and end all in terms of video quality it needs the processor, memory and optics to go with it. But either way DJI already announced bit rate upgrade / patch in the next firmware update so chillax 👍❤️🇬🇧
150+ mbit/s please, hero 11,12 and 13 does 200mbit/s with GoPro Labs. You can't get higher quality with lower bitrates it doesn't work that way. For 4k25 you want 100+ mbit/s for 4k60 180+ mbit/s.
I believe with this new chip in a firmware update down the road which they are known for doing will increase the bitrate You know they always improve on the camera as time goes on with firmware updates
I`m not sure why people should care much about the bit rate differences. The fact is, the image/video quality mainly depends on the sensor (size) and optics. In this regard, GP13 will be almost the same as GP12, and OA5 will be not too much different from OA4, except some software tweaks.
h265 is a bit more blurry at lossy compression than h264. At a too low bitrate the impression you’d get the impression a face beautify filter had been applied, or that the scene is slightly out of focus.
@@EditioCastigata I knew the codec matters somehow, but still it`s not the key factor for video quality, otherwise GP 13 video should have looked much better than OA 5. My point is that , if people really care about the video quality, they should wait for an action cam with a 1" sensor.
This is a very technical discussion that required me to listen carefully yet at the end this video does not add to my ability to decide if what is discussed translates to a value judgment about this new product. I watched Iphonedo's review - of course that is a cheerleading type review but impressed with what he did with it and impressed by the low light performance.
Well spotted! I use my action 4 for landscape Timelapse’s and while the battery life is amazing it lacks and day to night auto settings or star trail ones like the go pro or insta Such a shame they missed this out
Hi, each product is different in there own way. Action 5 only has a bit rate of 60 MBps bitrate therefore for cinematic i vote for Gopro 12/13 where bitrate can go 120 MBps plus.
Great information. I’d love for you to get one and do a review. I’ve used the 4 for a long time for vlogging and it’s been awesome. Love the new features of the 5 Pro in particular for the audio, the speedy quick start and the improvements in low light. But don’t like the sound of the quality loss. I’ve ordered the adventure combo and comes this week. Will give it a try. Ps…if you want to do a comparison vs the v.4 let me know as I have 2 and can always lend you a copy of the 4 as long as you don’t strip it and take it apart and return it 😂
@@londenard loved my Action 2's, but the 03 came along with the same image quality, and no battery shortcomings, and I could load a full SD card into it, so it never refuses to record or need to be charged....rip action 2 (that new 128gb version looks nice)
I’m looking for a small camera to film inside malls and for low or artificial light vlogging and walking tours. I’m seriously considering this camera and also the Ace Pro but been waiting on this release to compare them. Do you think it’s as good as the Ace Pro for low light? Every low light vid with the action 5 I’ve seen looks over sharpened.
osmo pocket 3 is far better in low light and has autofocus, so for vlogging yourself it is better. but it has too narrow field of view for pov action footage
It remembers me about action 2 heat issues , but in this type of action cameras it surely is not acceptable that high bandwidth mode could be like 3/4 min until heat shutdown …
I have the action 4 and it seems that the details of the 4 is better than the action 5 in many scenarios. I don't like how the sky is blown out in comparison to the 4 and of course that post card look reviewers spoke of around the edges of trees and objects in the sun. Not worth the upgrade for me
I alteady have one and start testing. I realy dont think that DJI can "hide" this fact from lets say PRO users but they shot themselves in the heel. On this very start of this product the sales could get choked because this bitrate limitations. I hope DJI will find, a solution for this like a oprion to turn on "at your own risk" that means overheating, which in OUR case (thats FPV pilots) is not the case because the camera gets cooled instantly. AWAITING HIGHER BITRATE FIRMWARE UPDATE! Cheers to You Mad's for You spec analysis 🍻
Interesting. Qualcomm uses TSMC wafers. This might raise some eyebrows about Taiwan and China, especially considering the attention their drones are getting with US government.
Fair but I doubt more than 5% of sales will be FPV related. You guys should just stick to naked GoPros and whatnot. I wouldn't even bother with DJI if I were you. As far as DJI is concerned the O3 Air Unit and the upcoming O4 set ups should relieve you of the necessity of a second camera... Hahaha!
If the market is big enough for you to try and monopolize it, you should probably pay a little respect and do things because it’s right. I’m not even talking about bitrate at this point, it’s just a general rule that should be applied in a decent world, but it’s China we’re talking about. The bullies who ram Philippine boats because they don’t like to share water. With that out of the way, I do stick to GoPros when I’m flying the appropriate rig. Both full size and nakeds have their place, but let’s be clear, there’s no “You guys should just” in this case when we’re out here slapping RED Komodos on 8 inch props. FPV may seem small but it is fairly large in the professional space and continuing to grow.
@@mikeallenfpv Uhuh... You're talking about "feelings"... how is it "right" to focus on a small segment of a "potential" customer base and ignore the much larger majority? Are you mad at RED for not making a camera specifically for FPV or Cinelifters? There is a "you guys should just"... You should just use the cameras that work for your use case and ignore those that don't. Screw DJI if they don't make a camera for you. Aren't you satisfied with GoPro? Yes? Then be happy. Why does every company in the world have to cater to your small niche segment?
@@londenard hate to break it to you, but you felt the need to reply to my meme of a comment, turning it into more than it had to be. So anyway, what were you saying about feelings?
Obviously, DJI's Camera Division doesn't care about FPV. Let's be honest, that's a REALLY small percentage of their Action Camera sales. Not to mention that they are hell bent to make it unnecessary for you to need a second camera with the O3 Air Unit and upcoming O4 Air Unit. Hey, if a given camera doesn't fit your needs, don't be mad, just don't buy it. Every product wasn't made for you. Simple.
@@JUK-Bavaria Yea I know. The theory is that the less compressed codec requires a higher bitrate. this bingbong guy kinda confirms that when the talks about ProRes bitrates being 500mbps... The Action 5 Pro only uses H265, I believe.
Higher Bitrate does not necessarily mean better image quality. It all comes down to the codec, codec profile and level of the codec that is being used. There are many differences even within H.264 and H.265. Levels and Profiles are set of parameters used in the core compression algorithm for a particular codec. Each level and profile has a specific characteristic attached to it and results in different bitrates. For instance there are profiles with a higher compression to reduce the file size that does NOT result in a lower image quality but just requires higher processing power when coding and encoding it. When discussing this topic this needs to be mentioned!
Bitrate is information, higher resolutions need more bitrate to retain detail. If bitrate didn't matter then mirrorless cams wouldn't have raw and proRes codecs with 500mbs. A professional won't go below 200mbs in 4k let alone 100mbs which is just horrid compression
@@bingbong6127 ever heard about lossless compression? Or high efficiency compression that does not compromise image quality? According to your theory H.264 would have the same image quality as H.265 at the same Bitrate…😂
No!!! That would be a much less "clicky" video!!! Hahaha! I keep trying explain this to these guys but they are stuck on bitrate being the end all, be all of video quality.
As a pro filmmaker for the past ±15 years i can certainly laugh with average Joe crying over some number. Whoever have used the mighty Canon C100 camera (2012) knows that bitrate means nothing if the rest of the hardware/software are doing what they supposed to. FYI, the C100 was an HD camera with max bitrate of 24mbps, that is still relevant in 2024. Small file sizes are a huge plus even on a bigger production, not to mention the action cam users around the globe. Never judge a book by its cover guys!
100% agree however those cameras don't tend to be used in fast high moving situations where you have all parts of the image constantly changing. Yes absolutely the codec and specifically the GOP structure is going to play a massive part but it needs to be able to put that data somewhere. On a low movement image with a longgop structure you can get away with a lot. However I have seen footage already where this is struggling. It's massively compressed.
@@MadRCcan you share samples or do a comparing between Action 4 & 5, showcasing the supposed bitrate-related problem? This would be very useful for both customers & DJI who i am sure is watching the reviews. However, i am really sceptical that we, common-users, can understand sensor specifications/compression algorithms/chipset processes, and point to the right direction of the cause of some problem.
DJI reply on Reddit: "Hello. We understand your concerns. Both the video bitrate and the chip encoding algorithm will affect the quality of the encoded video. If you do not focus on optimizing the encoding algorithm, the bitrate will increase to the encoding saturation point and the image quality will no longer be improved. Therefore, during the development of Osmo Action 5 Pro, DJI focused more on improving video encoding performance and lowering the encoding saturation point of the video bitrate. This ensures that even in scenes with complex textures of leaves on the full screen, Action 5 Pro can still restore rich and delicate details and clearly record the highlight moments for you."
It is not unferified. It's fact as I am now stating it. I don't make shit up. Sorry my content does not meet your standards. I would offer you a refund however as it was free you have no basis to complain. However you are more than welcome to go watch someone else. Thanks for the feedback but it'd been filed in the bin.
@MadsTech "giving you some things that you need to think about before you consider buying this..." @fokus - looks at the DJI Action 5 on the desk and thinks "I hope this was good... now let's listen to the master and learn our fate!" Great as always, @Madstech!
@EditioCastigata I think your confusing bits with bytes. UHS -II is capable of 312 MB (bytes) a second. These cemeras are Mb ( bits) 100Mbps would only be 12MBs. There is massive headroom here even on micro SD.
@@bingbong6127 Umm... I have 4k30 files on sd cards that say you don't "need" 130mbps. WTF are you talking about? Drones back to the Mavic Pro recorded 4k30 using 40mbps. The stupid Neo records in 4k using a max 75mbps. You. Don't. "Need". 130mbps. To. Record. 4k. Get. Real.
@@bingbong6127 Oh and the DJI Mavic 3 Cine records ProRes at almost 3800 mbps... So? In some resolutions, it drops down to around 30mbps. Random internet search, "what bitrate is required to film 4k video?" The bitrate required for 4K video depends on the frame rate and other factors, but it's usually between 30-60+ Mbps: Frame rate Recommended bitrate Standard (24, 25, 30 fps) 35-45 Mbps Try a search for yourself.
Law of diminishing returns also apply for video bitrates. Most of the reviewers who have authority in camera reviews say its quite good, I'll stick with that. And a number of them have said time and again that bitrate is not how cameras should be rated against.
It’s actually nice to know I can shoot high quality video and save space with a nice low bitrate. Been shooting more and more content, both paid and personal and I see that as a major bonus!
Apparently the next firmware update will have an option for higher bitrate. Personally my PC loves the Action 5 footage as it's so much easier to edit with.
It's not happening
The new firmware is super nice, and have the flexibility of standard and high bit rate is great.
@@MatthewRumble just happened
I fully agree. I just picked up my action 5 pro yesterday, I am really impressed by it. Also compared to the OA4. But I agree they should make an update with a high bitrate option!
I can really say there is a big difference in the dynamic range compared to my oa4. which is one of the reasons I wanted to upgrade. I have not really noticed any big differences in de image quality in regards to the so called lower bitrate (which is a positive note). but still I would like Dji to bring a high bitrate option.
even if they do, camera can't do over 100 bitrate I think, and if can it will deffo lower battery life and might cause overheating, as much as I would like to get one I think I will wait and stick with Action 4 for now
It's out and it will go over 100 now.
256gb card with standard bitrate at 4k30 gives me about 9 hours of recording and on high it goes down to 5 hours .
upgrading from action 3 to action 5 pro is the best move ever for me! no regrets. i love action 5 pro 😊
Same here
Even though I'm completely happy with the battery life of my osmo action 4, I think most of the mainstream users would benefit from the battery life improvement compared to the max bitrate. I like this decision, but I, too, would love to get an option for a high bitrate mode in a future firmware update.
The reduced bitrate is probably due to the impressive efficiency. I am not convinced the bitrates are a "massive" step down. h265 is a lot more efficient at the same quality level than h264 is. More is not always better. Lets wait until we see some real world examples and comparisons before calling them out for trying to build an action cam that is so much more efficient as the rest.
Action 4 recorded in the same codec at 130mbs... You don't go below 100mbs on any 4k footage no matter which codec you use, it's the bare minimum and even at 100mbs you're still sacrificing a lot of quality in complex scenes.
Professional camera users wont ven go below 200mbs in 4k and all a lot of ProRes 4k codecs go to 500+mbs ... If it was possible to retain quality at low bitrate then Sony would be doing it in their mirrorless cameras. It isn't, bitrate is information, higher resolutions need more bitrate/information to retain detail, its a fact of videography that DJI can't skirt
@@bingbong6127 I would agree if it was AV1 but The Action 4 records H265 90mbps when using at 4K30. That said I think it will be fine for most everyone but time will tell. I am upgrading but this revelation is concerning. I hope a firmware upgrade will give us an HBR option. Keep complaining and they will most likely do it. Not everyone needs 4hrs of battery life.0
Exactly. I think it’s actually better if cameras can get lower bitrates for the same quality
Action 4 is also H265. More efficient codecs take more processing power which is why they are not using AV1 which is what they would have to use to justify a bitrate reduction.
Now air 3s also gets a decrease in bitrate, will you be covering this?
Bitrate can really be a bit of a placebo. I’ve done extensive tests on my A7Siii and have settled shooting most of my footage at 45Mbps instead of the maximum of 200Mbps. Purely because there isn’t really a difference. If the codec is good then it doesn’t have to have high bitrate. Sometimes higher bitrate just takes up more storage space and more processing power.
thank you, I've done extensive testing with the 30mbps on a7siii's 4k24, colorgrades just as well as 100mbps. helps keep long recordings reasonable sized. was disappointed DJI's don't have a lower bitrate option on their drone/cameras. now that they do people are whining.
It can but it's also highly dependant on the scene. A stutaion with little movement or a single subject like a to camera will be fine however strap that to a bike or have a scene with all movement then you will start to struggle.
I fully agree not every scene needs high Bitrate but there are some that will.
How do you change the bit rate that low on the A7s3? Want to know bc i have one but only see higher bit rates@@vsc604
I keep trying to tell them... They are so focused on this one spec...
Try 4k120fps, with that low bitrate, also with complex scenes it will look like an oil paiting. h265 is good yes, but can't make miracles.
the most important review you can find in the internet about the DJI 5 Pro! Thank you Mads Tech! Very important info!
I got one yesterday. I have the original OA 1 and I think the image quality is better from it than the OA5. The bitrate is 50 from the 5 and 100 bits from the original OA. The 5, to me, looks over processed and over sharpened even with the sharpening and NR to -2 each. I hope DJI will release a firmware soon to update it. I was pretty excited for this new one but it has been a bit of a let down, IMO.
DJI has implemented a new high-resolution sensor in the A5P for low-light advantage, but the maximum video resolution is only 4K. This is primarily for HorizonBalancing. In footage without HorizonBalancing, almost all sensor data should be used, but they may have uniformly reduced the video size before RockSteady 3.0+. I think so because they have introduced HorizonSteady for 360 rotation compensation. If so, it is unlikely that the A5P will support 100Mbps+ in the future. Reviewers have found that the A5P footage has less detail in clouds and distant building walls than the A4, GoPro13, and Ace Pro. This may be due to the incompatibility of the new sensor and the existing lens. There have also been reports of abnormal lighting at the edges of objects and backgrounds. The A5P certainly offers high dynamic range and ISO, but the complex exception handling for various features seems to be poorly tuned for image quality.
Meanwhile the Gopro 11/12/13 with Gopro Labs settings NR01=1 and BITR=200:
Hold my beer!
So obviously, DJI's camera division doesn't give a crap about FPV. Kind of fair since you're only 5 or so percent of their overall sales. Just stick to GoPro and be happy!
@@londenard Its not FPV, its everyone. Everyone cares about bitrate.
The GoPro Hero 13 Black isn't "better" per se' in high bitrate mode... DJI has encouraged all the reviewers to compare the footage between the Hero 13 Black and Action 5 Pro. Let's just say DJI has put their money where their mouth is. They honestly WANT the comparison. You don't do that if you believe you are inferior. To my knowledge, GoPro hasn't requested or encouraged their reviewers to compare the 13 Black to the 5 Pro.
GoPro literally barred reviewers from comparing for a solid week or two last year’s release 😂
@@jacobscoville2044 Meanwhile, DJI purchased reviewers GoPro Hero 13 Blacks. True story. Virtually every reviewer will have a GoPro.
reading the texts like this one just shows that marketing works. read what dc rainmaker stated about his osmo 5 review, he was not given "free for competition unit". You'd me amazed how shameless marking is now. Both sides. Nobody's saint.
@arudenko87 I agree with that, and if DC wasn't given an Action 5 Pro... how did he get it before release?
@@arudenko87 Umm... I just left his channel and only see videos about the Hero 13 Black. I didn't see anything about the Action 5 Pro.
@2:33 does this mean it now connects with the MIC2 via some proprietary link, like I assume the receiver works? Or is it still via bluetooth like the OA4 ?
I didn’t realize how much faster the editing and rendering would be with the lower bit rate. The output still looks great but processes much faster. The trade off/compromise on bitrate works for me, first time using DJI long term GoPro user.
Editing sure but for fast moving action scenes this terrible
@@BraxChat I've only recorded one MTB video so far, and for my purposes it looked pretty good. But then again, I am not a professional looking to produce videos for revenue.
Add Time-Stamps to the videos
I bought the osmo action 5 yesterday, its hands down the best action camera on the market.
Congrats, I bought one today after seeing John Hicks review. I believe him. Lol
I don't care what bit rate action 5 has. I am fed up with go pro getting stuck and me removing battery and inserting.
One thing we immediately noticed is that the low bandwidth is really frustrating as you also said in your video. Soon I will make a real comparison between the two in a video in Italian and I will talk about it too and I will take the liberty of quoting your video so that others can come and see it if you agree. Great content as always.
to late for the warning mine should be here on Saturday , mind you it is the first Action update I have made since I bought original version 1 which is still in use , no wasted money upgrading yearly for me 😅 still undecided on buying the Mic 2 to go with the camera ?
I have the osmo pocket 3 and action 4. I promise the dji mic 2 is worth it friend.
Ok. But what can Dji do to change it for the better? Or we can make some modifications to the software?
Thanks
Yes WE need a Update..... Thats all what we can do😅
Action 5 Pro just got a firmware update. Pretty interesting but they didn't change the bitrate. This reminds me of when HTC went with a 4 mp camera sensor against the common thought that the more MP the better!
yes, pls do a review of the action 5. thanks
So if this is a superior chip i'm guessing this would be a firmware issue to increase the bit rate? I also watch some video reviews comparison and the Action 5 Pro almost does everything well except in some videos the colors look washed out on a sunny day if this is a firmware issue that would be great
Very washed!!
Very interesting. I didn't see anything from anybody else about the bitrate. Hopefully there will be a firmware update soon that allows a higher bitrate with the reduction of battery as a compromise. I don't need 4 hours of recording (I'd argue that most people using these would agree). The higher bitrate would be far more important to me. Mine should be here in 2 days, so I guess I'll get to see for myself when I'm traveling next week with it.
Bit rate isn’t always the best and end all in terms of video quality it needs the processor, memory and optics to go with it. But either way DJI already announced bit rate upgrade / patch in the next firmware update so chillax 👍❤️🇬🇧
150+ mbit/s please, hero 11,12 and 13 does 200mbit/s with GoPro Labs.
You can't get higher quality with lower bitrates it doesn't work that way. For 4k25 you want 100+ mbit/s for 4k60 180+ mbit/s.
I am still a supporter of Gopro due to its better mbit plus has folding fingers on its base
I believe with this new chip in a firmware update down the road which they are known for doing will increase the bitrate You know they always improve on the camera as time goes on with firmware updates
I`m not sure why people should care much about the bit rate differences. The fact is, the image/video quality mainly depends on the sensor (size) and optics. In this regard, GP13 will be almost the same as GP12, and OA5 will be not too much different from OA4, except some software tweaks.
h265 is a bit more blurry at lossy compression than h264. At a too low bitrate the impression you’d get the impression a face beautify filter had been applied, or that the scene is slightly out of focus.
@@EditioCastigata I knew the codec matters somehow, but still it`s not the key factor for video quality, otherwise GP 13 video should have looked much better than OA 5. My point is that , if people really care about the video quality, they should wait for an action cam with a 1" sensor.
This is a very technical discussion that required me to listen carefully yet at the end this video does not add to my ability to decide if what is discussed translates to a value judgment about this new product. I watched Iphonedo's review - of course that is a cheerleading type review but impressed with what he did with it and impressed by the low light performance.
Well spotted!
I use my action 4 for landscape Timelapse’s and while the battery life is amazing it lacks and day to night auto settings or star trail ones like the go pro or insta
Such a shame they missed this out
Is it possible we will se firmware updates to the Action 5 that will give us higher resolution and fps?
higher resolution is useless
Hi, each product is different in there own way. Action 5 only has a bit rate of 60 MBps bitrate therefore for cinematic i vote for Gopro 12/13 where bitrate can go 120 MBps plus.
Battery life at the expense of video quality is incredibly stupid.
The best way to form an opinion on a product is through personal experience, as it provides authentic insight and a more informed perspective.
Yes please review!
Great information. I’d love for you to get one and do a review. I’ve used the 4 for a long time for vlogging and it’s been awesome. Love the new features of the 5 Pro in particular for the audio, the speedy quick start and the improvements in low light. But don’t like the sound of the quality loss.
I’ve ordered the adventure combo and comes this week. Will give it a try.
Ps…if you want to do a comparison vs the v.4 let me know as I have 2 and can always lend you a copy of the 4 as long as you don’t strip it and take it apart and return it 😂
Got my GoPro Hero Black 13 in hand today, 13 Mini arrives Sunday, not to worried about DJI
dji is better, but they need to fix the bitrate
even dji action 4 is better than hero 13
@@mdenjoyer831 lol true
@@mdenjoyer831what’s the evidence for this?
To each their own! I personally liked the Action 2 for FPV but hey it's a personal choice at the end of the day.
@@londenard loved my Action 2's, but the 03 came along with the same image quality, and no battery shortcomings, and I could load a full SD card into it, so it never refuses to record or need to be charged....rip action 2 (that new 128gb version looks nice)
I’m looking for a small camera to film inside malls and for low or artificial light vlogging and walking tours. I’m seriously considering this camera and also the Ace Pro but been waiting on this release to compare them. Do you think it’s as good as the Ace Pro for low light? Every low light vid with the action 5 I’ve seen looks over sharpened.
@@babyboy1971 For this use case I would recommend a Osmo Pocket 3 and no action cam.
osmo pocket 3 is far better in low light and has autofocus, so for vlogging yourself it is better. but it has too narrow field of view for pov action footage
@@sergeraskladYou're right, but @babyboy1971 requirements don't sounds like pov action.
To be honest all I head in the review was new chip set and my mind went straight to O4 Air Unit.
It remembers me about action 2 heat issues , but in this type of action cameras it surely is not acceptable that high bandwidth mode could be like 3/4 min until heat shutdown …
Maybe we will see a Pro mode and a battery saving mode. Any way I have one. Need to fish up my 4 so I can compeer it to my 5. 🏄♂️
Thanks for all the info, Ian! 😊
The camera sounds interesting... We shall see.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I have the action 4 and it seems that the details of the 4 is better than the action 5 in many scenarios. I don't like how the sky is blown out in comparison to the 4 and of course that post card look reviewers spoke of around the edges of trees and objects in the sun.
Not worth the upgrade for me
I alteady have one and start testing. I realy dont think that DJI can "hide" this fact from lets say PRO users but they shot themselves in the heel. On this very start of this product the sales could get choked because this bitrate limitations. I hope DJI will find, a solution for this like a oprion to turn on "at your own risk" that means overheating, which in OUR case (thats FPV pilots) is not the case because the camera gets cooled instantly. AWAITING HIGHER BITRATE FIRMWARE UPDATE! Cheers to You Mad's for You spec analysis 🍻
Anche io sono pilota FPV e il primo volo con la 5 mi ha molto deluso. Sto pensando di fare il reso.
Yea, I really don't think DJI made this camera for "FPV pilots"... It's my honest opinion they are more than willing to concede you guys to GoPro.
This is good for an action cam. What’s the point of high GoPro bitrate if it doesn’t work, and everything else sucks.
This is useful buddy thank you!
The higher bitrate isnt happening. Dji stated it themselves
100mbps in hevc is still great. My GoPro 10 uses only 60mbps. Even my sony records in 60mbps but in h.264
I keep trying to tell these dudes...
The Qualcomm soc has GPS so why camera hasn't it?
Hopefully DJI can fix this in the first firmware update. DJI always does this kind of things lol
Someone NEEDS to do a proper comparison of Hero 12 / 13 With labs with this. The bitrate is horrible.
Great video! Looking forward to your review 🎉
I just uploaded a RAW video comparing both the Action 5 pro vs Action 4
Yes I’d be happy with higher bit rate at the expense of battery life
BTW, you can use Action 4 batteries in the Action 5 Pro.
And visa vera!
@@djsomers100 Take that GoPro!!! Hahaha!
Interesting. Qualcomm uses TSMC wafers. This might raise some eyebrows about Taiwan and China, especially considering the attention their drones are getting with US government.
Yea for sure. Hens why it was a big surprise.
Holding on to my OA4, unless the Insta360 AP2 changes my mind.
You are not alone, honestly the footages of OA5 looks hdr-ish to me, somewhat unnatural.
@@Khuongreview A lot of that is because of the "texture" setting being too high by default. Many have already found lowering this fixes this issue.
@@SPVCEMVNMUSIC you mean sharpness level in Image Adjustment?
@@Khuongreview on the OA5p (not sure of the OA4) it's called "texture" but, I'm fairly positive it's just an adaptive sharpening effect.
@@Khuongreview maybe this is only for the RTMP streaming mode. 🤷♂
"wHy dOeS bITrAtE mAtTeR?!?" - FLY FPV AND YOU'LL FIND OUT
Fair but I doubt more than 5% of sales will be FPV related. You guys should just stick to naked GoPros and whatnot. I wouldn't even bother with DJI if I were you. As far as DJI is concerned the O3 Air Unit and the upcoming O4 set ups should relieve you of the necessity of a second camera... Hahaha!
If the market is big enough for you to try and monopolize it, you should probably pay a little respect and do things because it’s right. I’m not even talking about bitrate at this point, it’s just a general rule that should be applied in a decent world, but it’s China we’re talking about. The bullies who ram Philippine boats because they don’t like to share water.
With that out of the way, I do stick to GoPros when I’m flying the appropriate rig. Both full size and nakeds have their place, but let’s be clear, there’s no “You guys should just” in this case when we’re out here slapping RED Komodos on 8 inch props.
FPV may seem small but it is fairly large in the professional space and continuing to grow.
@@mikeallenfpv Uhuh... You're talking about "feelings"... how is it "right" to focus on a small segment of a "potential" customer base and ignore the much larger majority? Are you mad at RED for not making a camera specifically for FPV or Cinelifters? There is a "you guys should just"... You should just use the cameras that work for your use case and ignore those that don't. Screw DJI if they don't make a camera for you. Aren't you satisfied with GoPro? Yes? Then be happy. Why does every company in the world have to cater to your small niche segment?
@@londenard hate to break it to you, but you felt the need to reply to my meme of a comment, turning it into more than it had to be.
So anyway, what were you saying about feelings?
Flywoo geprc!!! We need naked versions of dji cameras! 😢
I ordered one, but I did not know about the bitrate problem. I boosted my GoPro 12 to over 200 Mbps. The quality was great. I will miss that.
How did you do that?
@@thebikeracerGoPro labs lets you over clock the camera
@@bingbong6127 I don't know a dang thing about Labs. I guess I should look into it.
I just want to know what happened when it smashes into a wall strapped to a drone
Obviously, DJI's Camera Division doesn't care about FPV. Let's be honest, that's a REALLY small percentage of their Action Camera sales. Not to mention that they are hell bent to make it unnecessary for you to need a second camera with the O3 Air Unit and upcoming O4 Air Unit. Hey, if a given camera doesn't fit your needs, don't be mad, just don't buy it. Every product wasn't made for you. Simple.
DJI does love is "Pro" naming ,😉
This chipset was not a "secret", I've known about it for months.
Ian... the Action 4 recorded in h264...
...and in HEVC (H.265)
@@JUK-Bavaria yeah you can choose which you want.
It records in 130mbs in HEVC not .264
Your information is incorrect
@@bingbong6127 What "information"? I stated the "Action 4 recorded in H264"... are you saying that's not true?
@@JUK-Bavaria Yea I know. The theory is that the less compressed codec requires a higher bitrate. this bingbong guy kinda confirms that when the talks about ProRes bitrates being 500mbps... The Action 5 Pro only uses H265, I believe.
Higher Bitrate does not necessarily mean better image quality. It all comes down to the codec, codec profile and level of the codec that is being used. There are many differences even within H.264 and H.265. Levels and Profiles are set of parameters used in the core compression algorithm for a particular codec. Each level and profile has a specific characteristic attached to it and results in different bitrates. For instance there are profiles with a higher compression to reduce the file size that does NOT result in a lower image quality but just requires higher processing power when coding and encoding it. When discussing this topic this needs to be mentioned!
Bitrate is information, higher resolutions need more bitrate to retain detail.
If bitrate didn't matter then mirrorless cams wouldn't have raw and proRes codecs with 500mbs. A professional won't go below 200mbs in 4k let alone 100mbs which is just horrid compression
@@bingbong6127 ever heard about lossless compression? Or high efficiency compression that does not compromise image quality? According to your theory H.264 would have the same image quality as H.265 at the same Bitrate…😂
No!!! That would be a much less "clicky" video!!! Hahaha! I keep trying explain this to these guys but they are stuck on bitrate being the end all, be all of video quality.
Im still using GoPro hero 4 it'll be a while before DJI get my money 😅
Action 2 is good if you can find one on marketplace will blow your mind compared to the hero 4
@@SkermiebroTech 2nd time this week someone's mentioned that model ,must be good 👍
As a pro filmmaker for the past ±15 years i can certainly laugh with average Joe crying over some number. Whoever have used the mighty Canon C100 camera (2012) knows that bitrate means nothing if the rest of the hardware/software are doing what they supposed to. FYI, the C100 was an HD camera with max bitrate of 24mbps, that is still relevant in 2024. Small file sizes are a huge plus even on a bigger production, not to mention the action cam users around the globe. Never judge a book by its cover guys!
100% agree however those cameras don't tend to be used in fast high moving situations where you have all parts of the image constantly changing. Yes absolutely the codec and specifically the GOP structure is going to play a massive part but it needs to be able to put that data somewhere. On a low movement image with a longgop structure you can get away with a lot. However I have seen footage already where this is struggling. It's massively compressed.
@@MadRCcan you share samples or do a comparing between Action 4 & 5, showcasing the supposed bitrate-related problem? This would be very useful for both customers & DJI who i am sure is watching the reviews. However, i am really sceptical that we, common-users, can understand sensor specifications/compression algorithms/chipset processes, and point to the right direction of the cause of some problem.
DJI reply on Reddit:
"Hello. We understand your concerns. Both the video bitrate and the chip encoding algorithm will affect the quality of the encoded video. If you do not focus on optimizing the encoding algorithm, the bitrate will increase to the encoding saturation point and the image quality will no longer be improved.
Therefore, during the development of Osmo Action 5 Pro, DJI focused more on improving video encoding performance and lowering the encoding saturation point of the video bitrate. This ensures that even in scenes with complex textures of leaves on the full screen, Action 5 Pro can still restore rich and delicate details and clearly record the highlight moments for you."
I want one but bank doesn't 😅
100 MB/S or less makes it a NO for me. That's really a bad idea. Needs to be 200 mb/s or more.
another empty video. Just quoting other page and an unverified info about the Soc...
It is not unferified. It's fact as I am now stating it. I don't make shit up.
Sorry my content does not meet your standards. I would offer you a refund however as it was free you have no basis to complain. However you are more than welcome to go watch someone else.
Thanks for the feedback but it'd been filed in the bin.
@MadsTech "giving you some things that you need to think about before you consider buying this..."
@fokus - looks at the DJI Action 5 on the desk and thinks "I hope this was good... now let's listen to the master and learn our fate!"
Great as always, @Madstech!
How is it even possible to hit >104 MBit/s, like on the GPs, if the camera doesn’t support UHS-II cards?
GoPro supports V30 UHS 3 cards. No issues with 200Mbps.
@@MadRC Thanks, but I think you’re confusing speed classes (UHS 3) with bus interface (think: pins; UHS-II is the max specified for microSD).
@EditioCastigata I think your confusing bits with bytes. UHS -II is capable of 312 MB (bytes) a second. These cemeras are Mb ( bits)
100Mbps would only be 12MBs. There is massive headroom here even on micro SD.
@@MadRC That’s it, I didn’t pay attention here and unloading at 250 MB/s via UHS-II contributed to it. - Thanks!
The Action 5 Pro doesn't overheat
It doesn't need 130mbps to record 4k30....
we need to option if we want
Yes it does, ProRes codecs record up to 500mbs in 4k and it's there for a reason. DJI doesn't know more about cameras than Sony... Get real
@@bingbong6127 Umm... I have 4k30 files on sd cards that say you don't "need" 130mbps. WTF are you talking about? Drones back to the Mavic Pro recorded 4k30 using 40mbps. The stupid Neo records in 4k using a max 75mbps. You. Don't. "Need". 130mbps. To. Record. 4k. Get. Real.
@@mdenjoyer831 Then buy a different camera. Have fun with the overheating and short record times.
@@bingbong6127 Oh and the DJI Mavic 3 Cine records ProRes at almost 3800 mbps... So? In some resolutions, it drops down to around 30mbps.
Random internet search, "what bitrate is required to film 4k video?"
The bitrate required for 4K video depends on the frame rate and other factors, but it's usually between 30-60+ Mbps:
Frame rate
Recommended bitrate
Standard (24, 25, 30 fps) 35-45 Mbps
Try a search for yourself.
Law of diminishing returns also apply for video bitrates. Most of the reviewers who have authority in camera reviews say its quite good, I'll stick with that. And a number of them have said time and again that bitrate is not how cameras should be rated against.
It’s actually nice to know I can shoot high quality video and save space with a nice low bitrate.
Been shooting more and more content, both paid and personal and I see that as a major bonus!