Tis Whoop Season Here // ExpressLRS // Inside-Outside-Gates
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i've designed some DIY foam board LED gates that are about $10 per gate using stuff from amazon and dollar tree...gonna try to have a video showing how to make them soon (with free plans!)...without the LEDs they'd be about $1 per gate!
Thanks for the shoutout, Nick! Big fans of yours!
Awesome INdoor session Nick!! This footage grabs me and drags me to the workbench brimming with inspiration
Nice. Props out is more prone to wash out in dives while props in wash out more in sharp corners. Raising digital idle usually solves it for the most time but it makes the whoop more floaty
Great review. I agree with your points on the BetaFpv canopy related to the camera. I'm not a fan of the camera view or angle non adjustment. I shimmed the front of the canopy on my 65s with some foam which helped the camera angle a bit and kind of supports the front where there should be a mount for a screw. Although the shim helped camera angle a bit it may also stress the canopy over time.
We have 2 of these for the kids I teach and the et125 wich I love
Thanks for this review on the current ELRS whoops. The UAVTech just did a video on tunes for whoops as well as one on washouts I think. Haven’t watched it yet but wonder if his tune might help. I bet Shutterbug is trying these out too. He might have a tune in the works.
Fantastic flying, Nick! Pretty nice whoop! Great review!!! 😃
Some day you should totally try racing others!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
add that power lead to the antenna rubber band.
Thanks for the review just in time for black friday, I've had my eye on this one!
Get a Moblite7 instead! It'll run circles around these...
Whoopppp seasonnnn coming in nycccc so yea inside flight coming fast !!! Love the channel like always nick all love on this side !!! Lil thing looks like is fun to fly tho 🔥🔥❤️🙏🏻👽
Great stuff. A two for one ish video. So more time in the company of the great Mr Nick Burns! ☺. Thanks.
I will say this i took my meteor 65hd and moved it to a 75mm frame and man it flys so much more stable and better…o and longer flight time with the 450mah 1s…..my only issue is the FC is not reliable I’m on my 4th 3 failed escs and one vtx broke. But when it flys it’s fun and records in HD!!! Great video as always thanks for sharing I always look forward to you videos. BTW your indoor flying is insane! I can barley fly out my window ha thanks again. Not sure if you are still reading but your kids swim!!! I was a competitor swimmer for 12 years amazing sport tell them to keep up with it I swam butterfly and distance events
What goggles are u using with these flight
My daily goggles are the orca goggles with rapidfire module. yes, our girls swim although the younger one focuses on dance more these days. Our oldest daughter is pretty competitive and loves the exercise. She did have a strong bias for back stroke, I think these days she is loving butterfly and breast stroke.
Nice review 👌.. seems to fly good.. some cool flying.. nice on the sticks ..👍..
Apart from the elrs how does this compare to a moblite 7? You do the best drone reviews on TH-cam imo.
I think the moblite 7 is better and a better value.
Wow! Nick, thanks, massive discount with the coupon. Thanks for the video and all your great content. Excellent job on the lifestyle changes , live a long and have a happy life.
I have motors, 75 mm betafpv frame (strongest frame so far) cam and vtx. With a burnt fc, lol…….ordering one Friday. Bring it on winter! Looking into gates next! 👍🏽 Nick
I have much work to do with freestyling gates, running them down is fun as well.
Use one of your rubber bands to hold the power cord in the center under the antenna
ah, that is a good idea. Sheesh, seems so obvious now that you say it.
Just a suggestion, you could use a rubber band to hold the power supply wire and the antenna at the same place so that the wires wont touch the props. do u think that would be feasible?
I do. That was something I didn't think about until I started reading comments. Just didn't occur to me.
3 mount points would def be good!!!!
Would like to see the other build.
I have this one and for some reason, the camera on this guy makes me nauseous. I converted a Meteor65 into a Metoer75 and the camera on that drone doesn't have the same effect on me. I have found this camera is definitely weird. I can't fly for more than 5 minutes on this drone.
Also, I feel like it flies a lot better with Gemfan Tri Blade for my flying style. It has a lot more control and authority for aggressive maneuvers at the expense of a few seconds off the flight time.
Yes, In whoops the biblades seems to be a move to increase flight time, or compensate for undersized motors. I to prefer tri blades.
great DVR quality on it.
I hesitated between Meteor65 Pro and Meteor75. Currently my favorite is Meteor75. Or buy Meteor75 and frame + propellers from Metror65 and have 2 in 1 ;-)
There's a lot of fixes for washout with betaflight. You just got to search for some of them. Beta FPV is famous for them with the 75 series whoops. Kind of subjective if you need to buy a pre-built drone and tune it.. I think I like the 65 Nick 👍👍
What have you found to work the best?
I can tune it out but it always sacrifices inverted hang time
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@@RichMoore-tweakin7376 thanks. I’ve tried everything from this video and have been talking with him about some other things too. 4.3 first and then Dynamic Idle seems to be the best all around fix. I’m rockin 0 washout even with crazy dives and inverted maneuvers.
Great work nick keep it up my friend
I am getting a Tiny Radio Geprc elrs and looking for a whoop that doesn't need any connections to a computer. Don't want to need to tune it, flash it or connect to beta flight. What would you suggest?
I really am not aware of a way to do this, to get close we would need to buy a rtf kit where the radio is bound and setup with the drone.
Awesome video, lots of info
I got mine about a week ago, I find the camera very poor in low light and I think the vtx overheats on the higher settings indoors if not armed all the time it gets hot even when armed because the vtx is under the canopy with not much air cooling
That's not the vtx that overheat but the cam 😉
@@DonJohnsonFPV thanks for the heads up
Great job! What are Your thougths about the meteor 85 pro elrs? Is it Worth converting to tks frame? As uz85 is only chipped with v1 aio Board
I too would like to see the flight comparison with the ELRS version of the Meteor 85 vs. the Meteor 65 Pro. The 85 has the new 12A and "appears" to be able to fly on 1S for indoor and 2S for outdoor based on the KV of the motors.
Im converting it to a tks rocket race. Will see
Its an interesting combo. I have found 85mm whoop far more challenging to fly inside like i like to, but the also handle outside flying better than their smaller brothers.
@@NickBurnsFPV great, thanks for your thougths
@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you! Sounds like I need to buy both then :-) It's so nice to have ELRS built into the FC, I hope that all the FC manufactures start to follow suit. I can see a future where we look back and wonder why we lived with so many protocols. Kind going back to the Futaba/JR 72MHz days except it's HDZero+ELRS and DJI (with ELRS too if just using an air-unit).
Man I wish my house was as big as yours for tiny whoop flying
At night before bed I fly only in the basement. We don’t “have” to have large space but layout does help
@@NickBurnsFPV my wife and I looked a few houses for our future kids and what not and wgat would be best for them and us and I've been focusing on what would work best for a tiny whoop course lol
@@kitten-whisperer lol. Depending on where you live an open floor plan, which is pretty popular in the US tends to work out. We bought this house 14 years ago, before I got back into RC. I must admit I was very lucky then.
I just picked up the new elrs Mobula6 v2.0 and wondering if you can do some tips on it? I am trying my hand on the racegow tracks and with the 19k kv upgrade they did I am having throttle troubles keeping it stable on elevation. Should I switch it to the 25k kv motors or just keep practicing with what I have? Also noticed that the cam placement is crooked so I am getting a 3d printed version like the mobeetle and see if that will help as well.
Hi Nick great video. One question, how do you setup the vtx in Betaflight to go full power on arm? I have a Moblite 7 with 25-200mW vtx and I have to set power in goggles every time I fly. Does not even show vtx in Betaflight.
I think Bardwell or Painless 360 has a video on that....search their channels.
There is a slider in betaflight, or a cli command. Depends what betaflight version and app we are using. Check out "low power disarm" setting.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thx! I found the cli vtx command ie: get vtx and set vtx. All setup and works great 😃
great video as usual
Hey there sir! Good to hear from you again. Always nice to know a friend is still around.
Hello! :-) shame about the camera angle - coming from a novice // and the backup (internal cam mount) is the same angle!! little things!!
Love the videos!!!👍
Excellent video. As someone who just ordered his first whoop ever, I decided to go with a Mobula 6 (since I was put off by the motors) and add one of the small ELRS receivers to it. Also plan to remove the SPI antenna and use GNB27 connectors for batteries and quad. Any other suggestions for saving weight? How do you feel about removing the motor connectors to make up for the weight of the ELRS receiver? If I ever kill the AIO board though, it will definitely be replaced with integrated ELRS.
Not worth the extreme effort to remove the motor connectors. Those solder pads are really tiny and super close together. Unless you are an EXPERT solderer, with a top end soldering station, forget it!!
Grab 4 of those motor connectors and weigh them. They weigh almost nothing...hard for most scales to register that low! Way less than 1 gram!
Plus, those 5amp AIO boards are notorious for burning out at the drop of a hat!!! So, the best thing you can do is NOTHING. Seriously, any fooling around with that design will give you a chance of ruining the quad or it's flight performance.
I'd fly it and LOVE IT! =(:^)-
Because you will love it, just like my buddy and I do ours. It's fantastic - especially if you got the 25,000kv motors! Even if you didn't, it's one whale of a great product! If you want it lighter, you should have bought the Moblite6.
Yes, I agree. I don't remove motor plugs, the difference is only noticeable on the scale in flight I don't feel a difference that would compel me to take that time and effort.
So... What do you think? The Meteor 75 or a Mobula 7?
I'm leaning towards the Meteor because of its serial ELRs receiver...
the serial elrs is an advantage, for me I keep an external elrs module for elrs v3 and keep my radio of v2 so I can run both. For flight performance I would go mobula 7.
@@NickBurnsFPV Then maybe a Mobula 7 with an external nano ELRs receiver? Or any other suggestions in the same range of prices?
@@zeendaniels5809 yes, external receivers help us move into expresslrs (elrs).
for the Mobula.. does motor scaling reduce output enough to make it work? 80% limit should tame down those motors.
I presume motor scaling would work. I have never used it, but I have suggested it to others and have responses in those cases.
Angry Don fpv said that those happymodel motors where meant for a much lighter build.
yes, I talked about this in the video on the mobula6 elrs.
@@NickBurnsFPV ok I did forgot that😁
@@airdevil21 No worries. Its too bad it didn't come together as he wanted.
@@NickBurnsFPV 🙂👍. Yes it is. They should have listened better. Did you see Angry Don his newest 1s freestyle build? I still am amazed that it is on 1s!
Hey a bit off subject but do you know what is thé maximum kv that the cetus pro can take cause i might buy an extra set of 22000kv motors to race
I don't know for sure, but with a 12amp esc I would think on 1s it could take up to 25000kv.
I built a meteor75 with 1102 18kkv and had no issues with dives. I wonder if the 1102 motors can handle the dives better ...
It could be the esc setup, pid tune, or prop orientation....as well as the larger motors can handle the props better at "zero throttle".
Will this work with the blade fpv inductrix controller and the screen that comes with it
I am really not familiar with the blade inductrix. I don't think it will, I believe blade uses the specktrum receiver protocol which these don't.
@@NickBurnsFPV yes blade does ok thank you
I know the mobula can fly 3d mode, do you know about the betafpv drones?
For the most part all the fpv quads can do 3d mode when setup to do so. The parts are all the same its the setup, potentially we would want different props but I am unaware of 3d specific props for small quads.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you for the reply! I just ordered the meteor75, my first non-dji drone. I'll try to figure it out. Keep up the great videos, I've been binging them this past month learning a lot.
Hey Nick, just today I got my Meteor 75 in the mail. In my mind I was thinking that I could just bind it with an (Betafpv Literadio 3 elrs), but I seem to be having an issue where it won't bind. do you think you might be able to help me?
I could try. The first thing we likely have to do is ensure they are both on the same major version of elrs. Check the betafpv site for flashing details of the quad and radio. With AIO based micros we have to flash betaflight to update the elrs version
@@NickBurnsFPV So I figured out that my (Literadio 3) shipped with ELRS vesrion 2.0, but I don't know what version my (meteor 75 Elrs) is on or how to find it.
Edit: I pretty much just reverted the Radiolite 3 back to version 1.0.0 and that made it work.
@@Kawabungadude77 Nice you sorted it out. For ELRS to work we have to have them both on the same major versions, major being the first number, 1 or 2 for right now. To update the meteor we have to flash betaflight to a newer version, I believe 4.3 rc4 through rc6 all have ELRS version 2 baked in.
Does the Express LRS module work on an older TX8 Transmitter?
yes it should. the modules only require the radio model file to have crossfire as the protocol and the ability to run a lua script (opentx does), or in the case of a module with a screen the opentx isn't an additional requirement.
how do you bind it
There is a manual on betafpv website to walk us through binding.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks
Could I do flat flying with the Meteor 65 Pro?
sure, just takes practice.
@@NickBurnsFPV Hey Thanks Nick for replying back to my comments, I'm a begginner, I really did enjoy the original cetus kit (with brushed motors).
I really don't have that much fpv experience other than what I flew on the cetus, I had a blast with that little drone even outdoors.
SoI figured why not just restart the hobby with a meteor 65 pro for my birthday coming up. :D
@@Kawabungadude77 oh yea, the meteor will be more capable. Much like taking the training wheels off a bike. I am sure you will enjoy the process.
Hi, is that the pitmode slider in betaflight that enables the vtx power up and down with motor arming?
@@JP-qq2kn This is good for keeping the vtx cooler while the quad is grounded.
It is "low power disarm" that switches the vtx back to 25mW when you disarm.
Thanks
@@bradleybeaudry8935 thank you !
What's your favorite whoop for indoor? This one or something else?
I think it's between the Moblite7 or the Mobula6. What do you think, Nick?
My absolute favorite is a custom 2s whoop in a mobula v3/trashcan frame with 1102 motors. For BNF it would be the moblite 6, in a mobula 7 v4 frame with a crux3 canopy.
@@NickBurnsFPV The Moblite's look a bit fragile with the camera up front like that. I think I'd be interested in a more traditional whoop with the camera in the middle.
@@twinturbostang Yes, I have had this same thought. But can't be certain. In theory the camera should be more protected. Need some high speed camera footage :) It could also be that we tend to strike that location when we crash into something.
Hey nick. What rubber bands do you use to hold on your lipos? Thnaks!!
Normally I use loom bands.
@@NickBurnsFPV ahhh gotcha. Lol asked my girl for some small hair rubber bands 😂 basically the same. Thanks!!
@@wookiefpv6614 yep, might be exact for all I know. :)
Why do all these elrs whoops have bi-blade props?
I think the companies are trying to increase flight time with bi blades.
How much to wait Nick? I think you know something 🤔
As much as I know I also don't know. There is at least 2 more whoops coming, but I don't have them or even know the specs, or when they will launch.
@@NickBurnsFPV I will guess that one of them will be 18 grams or less.
@@Tish0eX If so it would be likely 65mm.
The C02 camera really is awful, it has a 16:9 sensor so anyone flying 4:3 goggles is gonna suffer nasty distortion. They probably got a cheap bulk buy of the sensors and just threw them in without a thought. Seems like decent whoop cameras and all out of stock 😔
I think they may have sold out over the last two days. Betafpv had some pretty big discounts running.
@@NickBurnsFPV I feel sorry for anyone who brought that c02 camera unknowingly 😔
@@JusticeFPV hopefully they knew what they were buying, or have plans to swap it out with the savings.
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We know whoops are your favorite - BUT - which is your favorite whoop these days? You're the micro/whoop expert without a doubt.
I prefer the 75mm platform. I still mainly fly my custom 1102 10000kv 2s whoops around the house. I would rather they have elrs, but haven't built a version with that in it yet. If I had to pick of the recent lot I would likely choose the meteor65, it has 35mm props in a 65mm frame with 350mw vtx and elrs onboard. I wish it had a better camera and adjustable angle, but overall it pretty good imho if we can live with the two drawbacks.
@@NickBurnsFPV Whoa, 2s in the house? O_O I'm probably not ready for that skill-wise. What do you feel 75mm/2s offers over the standard 65mm/1s whoops? Just more power and flight time?
@@Crusader4633 I even prefer 1s 75mm over 65mm. The weight difference is small enough that the additional thrust give me more confidence and the ability to push the speed more. Also flights are far longer. Also 75mm is somewhat easier to fly as they are more "stable" with a larger footprint and only 10mm of size cost.
@@NickBurnsFPV Huh! You should maybe do a video on the comparison, and share builds/etc. Maybe I should transition. I have a couple 75mm frames I got in trades.
Do you think the 65mm being better at the dives because it had tri-blade props vs the 75mm has bi-blades? I have been thinking about props lately. It would be great to see a video from you about props for tiny whoops. Thank you for your work, I hope your holiday was a good one!
I think its due to, yes, less blades, and also the motor could be undersized. I fly a number of my own whoops with 40mm triblades on 0802 motors, but when I am commonly flying I don't dive whoops all that much.
I am trying to decide between quad bladed and tri bladed for my CinePros. I had quad bladed on my TinyGo currently. I am thinking I may not have enough experience to really "feel" the differences.
@@jakestyles002 There is also the feedforward we can increase to change how the quad responds to our stick movements.
I know you mentioned the typo in the description for the 75 what if you were to install the 1102 18k motors. Do you think this would improve the performance of the drone and switch to tri blades. Curious to know your thoughts on this. Thanks. Great vids.
Probably wouldn't improve things because those motors are soooo much heavier. Remember, "It's all about weight with whoops!" ;)
I have a big issue with BetaFPV NOT GETTING THAT! It's obvious they don't get it because they include the heavier 450mah 1s lipo in the box! They should be including a 300 or 350mah lipo to keep the weight as low as possible.
Again, remember, ONLY NEWBIE's make a big deal about flight time with whoops! Flight time means nothing at all because we are striving for lightweight as possible! Lightweight gives us the best flight performance. And if we don't have the best flight performance with have the issues like these two from BetaFPV have!!!! lol :(
Extra battery weight is defeating the purpose here...and that purpose is what? ....lol...
"It's all about WEIGHT with whoops!"
If BetaFPV actually GOT IT, they'd include a 300mah lipo to get their whoop as light as possible, and they'd have very formidable competition for the Moblite6 and 7 which come in way lighter and are way better fliers, mostly because of that. A lot of Yaw wash out issues are caused by too heavy of a craft! ;)
@@KOrnhOliO1 thanks for the info Sir. Much appreciated.
I made some tiny light weight builds. Tried several motors. I can approve 1102 are way more powerful than 0802 motors. The extra 4g weight are nothing, because thrust is still way more. You will need bigger or more bladed props to use the larger motor effect. Leave it stock for inside. For outside get the meteor 85
I build a 75mm on the 1102 13500kv. With a 450mA I got less flight time than on 0802.
Further it felt quite heavy. So yes, as both commenters said: it's not worth it without larger props...
Regarding flight time, anything less than 2 min is awful. You crash, flip, and the battery is dead.
The betafpv 1102 motors weight nearly a gram more per motor than the happymodel variant. I would use the happymodel 1102 motors.
Thanks for the video, Nick ..... But, if these quads were better, and ELRS was truly ready for Prime Time, and not such a hassle with the bugs and issues people are reporting, this video would be much more worthwhile. Sorry Nick, but IMO neither the quads or ELRS are worthy of my dollars, just yet. :(