Blowing The Lid on The Biggest Guitar Secret
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Very few guitar teachers talk about this and it's a shame. The reason players get stuck in the late beginner phase is not because they don't know enough scales, licks or songs.. It's because they were never taught how to properly place their fingers on the fretboard. Let's fix this!
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Any time that someone tells you "learn this one secret and you won't ever need lessons," you know that you are being lied to. Yes, I did listen through. As I expected, it was more than one thing, none of which was particularly secret, and all of it together won't replace a teacher -- not even close.
BS video overall.. title is utter crap
The answer is practices. You ain't goin anywhere without that.
I get what you are all saying. On the other hand, there are small truths to what he is saying. I agree it isn't a secret. However, I think it is valuable information for a certain demographic of guitarists.
I appreciated the video. The theme is expressiveness, and he packaged some good tips together. Sure the video title is a little over the top, but these guys are competing for views and he delivered relevant content, so I don’t have a problem with that.
Exactly. My particular top of the Arggh list, TH-cam guitar ‘lesson’ -wise.
The ‘ol “How to memorize the entire fretboard…in just 5 minutes!”
Arghhh.
The claim that guitar teachers keep knowledge from students is ridiculous. Joke or not, this type of claim really plays into the distrust of experts that is rampant on the internet.
Oh may Gawd!!!
The only experts I’m weary of are lying “experts” in govwrnment positions or in the medical industry who don’t really know anything. When the “experts” are objectively wrong about everything, you’d have to be an idiot to trust these fools.
Agreed
Surely he was joking? But it is hard to know for sure. Sounds like a bad infomercial if he was being serious
Obviously there is no cabal of guitar teachers keeping the truth from potential shredders, but in the bigger picture there should always be a level of distrust in 'experts' chosen by a government to represent said government. There are experts who say differently. It's just that they weren't on the side of the government.
I've been coaching as long as this guy. I believe if students learn proper technique with cleaner note placement, they can always dirty it up later. Getting clean notes is the biggest challenge for most people at first. The feel is something you add in once they get the basics down 1st.
I agree man!
Exactly, NO ONE should learn how to play with the thumb over at first. It's SO easy, that any mediocre guitar player can just start doing it...
@@Wallimann Then why are you teaching proper tech as if it's wrong? And why are you saying manipulative shit like "teachers won't teach you this because you'll like not show up after wards"? Bro...
@@kambion I just never ever thought that ANYONE would take that comment so seriously!
i agree. what he is describing will come naturally
I have an extensive background in Classical guitar, degree, etc., and also play electric, adn acoustic guitar. Fretting is very different between them for a variety of reasons. Classical guitar music tends to be polyphonic, with multiple lines of music moving around at the same time. The action on a Classical guitar tends to be about twice the height of an electric guitar. Unless you play on your fingertips, you'll probably be inadvertently muting strings.
Music on the electric often involves single lines, where muting unfretted strings is highly beneficial so they don't accidentally ring out, so flattened fingertips are a big benefit. Acoustic guitar music tends to be somewhere in between the two. Of course playing styles and techniques can vary widely, and you'll get the best results by understanding how to use them with the appropriate music and styles.
Yep
Well, spoken! (From another classical player)
You can't do that on a cou stick
I totally agree!!
They are different instruments really. That was kind of the point of the video.
Not only that, I can get the same expression he got with my fingertips. I'm just not buying it, if you're bending notes it is easier to flatten your fingers because you're pushing from a stronger joint. Also, on a guitar that 's insensitive, or if you're using effects that nullify crushed or muted notes, you can get away with this; however, you are practicing sloppy tone and it will slow down your speed. There are occasions this makes sense, just like using your thumb to to create otherwise awkward chords.
Hendrix was the main reason I picked up the guitar as little boy in the 70's. I used to hold the guitar exactly like he did, with the entire back of the neck wrapped in the palm of my hand, thumb over the top and fingers on the fleshy part. It looked "cool", and Jimi played that way. When I started to take formal lessons in the 80's the first thing my teacher did was correct my grip and made me play hold it properly. Fingers up on the tips and just the thumb on the back of the neck to brace it. He was correct. This allows for greater reach, dexterity, speed, and cleaner tone. As I've gotten older and wiser, I've come to find that I adjust my grip (and general over all handling of the guitar, for that matter) for what it is I'm playing. But for about 90% of the time, I grip the neck properly, the way I was taught. In retrospect, I think every novice guitarist should be taught that from the very beginning.
Hey pmkrak@ Hendrix and Stevie Ray playing guitar gives me goosebumps...awesome!
If your hand is big enough I don't see why you wouldn't want to use your thumb on the low strings.
JIMI WAS CORRECT.
@@SealedKiller In my humble opinion, it isn't about choosing not to but rather picking the right tool for the right job, at the right time. The true greats know when to break the rules.
@@N3gativeR3FLUX True but I was saying why wouldn't you want to use your thumb, it just adds more to your playing at certain times which is what you appear to be saying. You don't have to use it all the time of course.
As a total beginner I have noticed that when teaching they emphasise the end of the fingers but when you see pros play they don't do it like that. I figured it was just through experience. I do think there must be a reason it is taught this way, probably to stop you hitting other strings by accident.
"Guitar teachers are hiding info that would prevent you from needing lessons."
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Exactly!
What happened?!
It is a secret simple trick that pros don’t want you to know.
Excellent, thank you for pinpointing this aspect, that I was badly ignoring in my beginner-intermediate training 😀
Awesome. Something new to show my own student. I don't want to teach classical technique when we both just want to play blues and rock
You're right. No one tells you this stuff. I figured it out partially because I have short fingers and struggle to stretch my fingers across the fret board. I noticed that people who can play keep their fingers relatively flat. Also allows you to hold the guitar lower while standing. Thank you for confirming what I thought, and giving so much detail. Reinforcing me to get this down. Its a different muscle dynamic and takes some getting used to. I actually got good at bending strings with the very tips lol.
I feel like a true beginner should learn how to play on tips initially and then the flattened fingers after. I've see moments where playing on the tips of my fingers worked better such as if I'm playing a hammered on double stop where the hammered string is on the d and the barred double is on the g. With flattened fingers it mutes the g. Atleast in my playing it seems
I think this is likely what I’ll encounter when I try this, however I imagine it’s just a spacing thing that I’ll fix over time.
Great tip! I have very small hands and find myself all contorted trying to reach the strings needed. I'll definitely be trying this out. Subscribed!
I'm learning to play bass and have been doing this and it has COMPLETELY changed my tone and approach and suddenly I can actually play the instrument with confidence because I know it doesn't sound like crap with every note. This trick is real, guys. You still have to learn all the others stuff, but that subtle shift in tone makes a huuuuuge difference.
When I first had a go at bass the bloke who was showing me said don't let the notes ring out and make it sound more like a kick drum.
After that I felt like I was playing bass like a pro.
I've had the opposite experience of starting playing flat fingers and finding I get a much more expressive sound when I switched to using fingertips. Maybe it's because I played Cello in school orchestra or maybe it's because I have small fingers. I find that when I play with the flats of my fingers I just don't have any leverage to do vibrato or bend notes. I seem to have much more control when using my finger tips.
i'm a pickcer and do lots of straight, picking and a plucking notes but this was Great, it gave me a new way of getting that slide smooth tone to work in and out of songs so it's never boring with a ton of sharp clear notes, having the relaxed smooth slide notes ( flat fingers!) makes it easy , fun and opens a whole new world. Thanks a ton for your free to the point way of teaching!
Very nice. I've played classical guitar for years, but I recently--2 yrs ago--started playing electric. I love this tid-bit of information. This kind of incorporation really helps relative beginners like me. 👍
Thanks I really enjoyed that. I often wondered about players using the flats of their fingers and just thought they were sloppy. Subscribed.
Thanks for the upload I love the analogies and nuances. I'll be watching this again.
My wife keeps asking me why I play the same thing alot, it's called practice and it's repeated until I learn it...thank you for your lesson sir.
I'm going to do this all weekend 🤪 😌
Simple stuff? This is like a diamond for professional musicians. Thank You.
I use both methods placing my fingers on the frets depending on style, speed, and sound I need
I've watched probably 20-30 of your videos over the years, this one is a cut above all the others I've seen. Well done, great information.
The best video I’ve seen on the Vintage II 57! Can’t wait to get mine.
Thank you for the tips I’ll keep learning and listening to what I play and how the small differences change the sound and feeling.
I’m a newbie and needed this video! Thank you
Simple touch that will enhance the expression. Thank you very much!
Beautifully taught, thank you.
Hi David. Thanks for this helpful video! I can really feel how it provides a greater expressive range. I wonder, though, how using this fleshy part of the fingers might influence pulls-offs, which I am trying to work on at the moment.
Best tutorial I've seen this year!!! And in my young musical career
Very helpful! Thanks
This Walliman guy is good, phenomenal teacher. Sooooo much value in this lesson... Thanks David 🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🎶🎶🎶
As a beginner, this video gave me a new perspective. Thank you!
Great lesson. Will use my chord fingers much more expressively now.
This really helps someone who wants to take good insight and make it part of their expression minus adding opinions and drama. I don't give other than I got something kindly offered. I received and already using it.
Thank you for a great lesson.
Nice lesson. Thanks. 😊
Thanks. For the insights.
Definitely helps. I kind of picked up on it now I know to use it better
Love your style dude! Got me to subscribe, looking forward to exploring more videos
Thank you for this David. You are a gem in the guitar world!
hey David Hello all the way from Belize 🇧🇿 . Thank you so much for putting out content like this. Really appreciate it.
Everything you are saying is ah right on the money; thanks for your candid generous advice. First time viewer here - subscribed! 🎸
Great tips! Thanks!
Really good video David👍 Everything you said is 100 percent accurate. I have been playing guitar since 2016. Now it's 2023. I also started guitar like everyone else by learning chords and then slowly switching to lead guitar. Now I am the official lead guitarist of my batch in my university. So happy about my journey so far. Still to this date I cannot get over the fact that most guitar teachers/ TH-camrs teach these very strict rules to their students thnking that will improve them but actually all it does is hinder the improvement of the students. (A very good example is the one you explained where the students are taught to fret the notes by the tip of their fingers. The chromatic scale most commonly known as the spider exercise 🙊 is an instance where the above finger technique is pretty common with typical guitar teachers. I personally found out that by flattening my fingers that I am much able to silence the other strings while being able to bend/ vibrato the strings more easily. Doing legato licks feels more easier with the tip of the fingers.). Personally I am happy that I never went to any guitar classes because without them I was able to improve much faster as I didn't have any unnecessary strict rules to follow, which allowed me to experiment with different styles and techniques. In 2020 I got my first electric guitar. I learnt how to adjust the pickups last year(2022) and learnt how to adjust the saddles and truss rod yesterday(2023). All of them I learnt by myself, by watching TH-cam videos and trying on my own. Pretty sure no guitar teacher would have had such courses to offer me if I had gone to a class😂😂
This is the first ever video that I saw through your channel but still I believe that the guitar world needs more teachers like you.
Keep it up buddy👍👍👍💯💯💯
@kushinistawara4058:
If you never had a class, how do you know they wouldn't teach you those things?
Hey David I just came across your video about guitar finger placement, I walked through your methods...thanks
Awesome Guitar Instructor… thanks a lot..
Playing with the flats makes it harder to avoid dampening strings unintentionally when playing chords. At least this is someting I struggle with. Do you have a video on this, by any chance? Thanks.
This style works well for single not playing, and can work well for double stops. But it can get in the way when playing chords, or open string runs. Like so many things in guitar its not a question of which technique, but rather a matter of having multiple tools in your tool box and knowing when to use which style.
When playing individual strings, it sure is better with the larger part of your finger but you’ll never get away with that playing chords and
That's where I'm at what you said, I've been trying to play Diary of a Madman all day, talk about unintended muting of strings 🤪 and that's just the first 9 chords, to many years of using the flats, my son is a musician and guitar teacher told me to play that for a month and he will show me the rest, and that's over the phone if I want in person lessons I have to pay like everyone else. Yeah he's a smart ass...😂
I think the most important thing to note, that he glazed over when taking about this technique, was whether you are playing electric or acoustic guitar - I primarily mean the style MOST people tend to play on each respective guitar.
Check my name and videos. If the guitar is tuned to G-D-d-f-g#-b, a huge range of rooted 5- or 6-string chords can be played easily with the flats.
I learned a lot from this video. Well done man, but I'm having a hard time getting my tone right. What are your amp and effects settings for this video? Thx
David's teaching resources have really helped me get out of "the box" and achieve and explore new levels of guitar personality. Highly recommended!
Love the engaging guitar fables David!
Thank you!!
First timmer - geat presentation - thanks!
David tysm for giving your valuable tips in this short video 👍👍🙏
I teach this quite a bit. A lot of beginner players tend to play only with the tips of their fingers and very curved. Which is what you need to do when playing open chords. Which is where almost everyone starts out. However, when playing single note riffs or lead lines, playing with the pad of your finger with flatter fingers helps control and mute the adjacent strings. There’s different “grips” or technique that work better for certain things. It’s good to be able to play both ways when needed. Also everyone’s hand size and finger length is different and impacts this as well.
I think you’re the first person I’ve seen talk about this though in video.
Won't your finger touch other strings though?? Beginner here!
@@garydow1540 yes, you will be muting the strings your aren’t playing with the fingers being flat. Flat fingers is more for single note things like riffs and solos.
For chords where you need 2 or more strings to ring out, that’s when you go curved fingers.
Thanks. I still have trouble accidentally muting string. I've small hands. I hope to flatten fingertips eventually as needed.
Really found the fuller connection to the fretboard and saying something was a great way to enhance exression. Fun excercise. Takes you out of thinking about scales by getting a feel for how to make the guitar speak in your voice. Cool and thanks!!!
9:40 That notification sound is perfectly in tune AND in time!
Hi David, c'est toujours un plaisir de suivre vos explications . vous donnez a tous un supplement d'âme a notre objectif d'appreciation de ce magnifique instrument qu'est la guitare. Merci encore. A+jc
When Wallimann flattens his fingers, he also clearly hits the string closer and harder with his pick (which the camera doesn't show).
What great insight!
Great stuff thank you!
Absolutely brilliant!
Here's another style/way you can add some more expression to the notes and some sound you may want to try. You talked about the placement of the fingers and that is so true but if you try placing the thumb is the hitchhiker position on some of the notes that don't need a neck-hold grip, you will find amore note sustaining sound when the pressure on the neck matches the rod inside the neck, play around with it but don't get mad if it changes some of your playing style.🍺
Perfect video I learned a lot thank you 🙏
Nice breakdown of a complex issue critical for good guitar playing.
Everywhere and every tutor instructed me to curl my fingers and use the tip of my finger
But it was until later I started to "see" details in playing and zooming in on pros that I saw how their fingers were flattened. Bonus it helps with noise control with high gain...
Great video with tons of tips
Wasted 35 years on my tips. Saw that my hero Andy Timmons plays flattened just a few months ago. 🤦🏻♂️
@@michaeltaylors2456 welcome to the agony and myths from guitarists all over the world
I was born in '85, and I can remember watching SRV concert footage when I was probably 11 or 12 and I could see how flat his fingers were when he played, and how his thumb was always wrapped over the top of the neck to hit the low E. Then I watched a legato player like Joe Satriani who uses a more classical grip, almost never wraps his thumb over the top, and does his legato with his finger tips. That's the thing about the guitar. There is no "one right way" to do it. All that matters is how it sounds.
@@Hahnsoulo actually I know do both flat and curled. Depends on the context...
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Interesting. My first guitar instruction was classical, just like you showed. Will have to try….thx
Simple but very effective advice.
Wow. I never heard most of those things. I'm glad I naturally played with flatter fingers though. Insanely great teaching video, and I've seen many!!
I appreciate this. Thank you my friend. Peace, Love, Namaste
Chords with open strings need to be played with finger tips, for me any way. But I get where ur coming from and appreciate the lesson!
Like it ! Thanks for advice
Your changing your pick attack too... I am a beginner... I find if I hold the pick deep between my thumb and finger and attack the string at an agle with a little bit of twist as I pick I can get a really snappy note with some pinch harmonics.. it sounds really cool
I get what you are saying about a guitar being 'organic' and 'expressive' ,and you mentioned that you have more tonal control over notes than say, a piano. But, since I play both, let me explain to you what a piano has that a guitar does not have, and that are harmonic horizons you can achieve which you can't on a guitar. I can do poly chords, dense clusters that are unreachable on a guitar. There are certain inversions of the dom 7 - 9 - 5 chord which are exciting on piano, but lackluster on guitar, not to mention the dom 13 #11b9 chord, difficult to get the right sound of that chord on guitar. So, I play piano for it's harmonic possibilities my ears hear, but with which the guitar was unable to reach, which is why I started in on the piano at the age of 45 ( started guitar when I was 14 , I'm 71 now ). I got tired of envying piano players regarding harmonic possibilities and I started even at that tender but late age. and I play guitar for it's more expressive possibilities -- but I play nylon string/jazz stuff. In rock, it's not that big a thing and the guitar is THE instrument for that genre, of course.
Great riff at the end.
This information is, as you say yourself ... kind of stating the obvious, but until fully explained and the way you put it across with it's necessity in either just playing the notes or "PLAYING THE NOTES" ... is so on the money.
It's also (after being told by you) something that when listening to other guitarists, you are very much more aware of, fantastic David ... and a big “Thank You”.
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From my experience, and no I'm not a session player, just many years in many different genera, it's not either or, it's both. There are sometimes, especially chording you need to be on your fingertips to generate clean notes but many times, not always, playing lower on the fingers can make bending, vibrato and especially muting much easier and expressive. Great video as truly there are a lot of individuals who haven't figured this out yet!
I'm not a guitar player, but I appreciate the method you are teaching.😀
Theres a band of four guys called The Big Push, who busk in Brighton, Sussex, U.K. you can find them on you tube. Three play guitars, and one the drums. They are amazing, they put their heart into their music.A must watch. 👍
Awesome video with Great info, I have a question and that is how does it work while playing chords?
Depends on the chord and your comfort! But not as flat
Nice lesson. Thanks a lot. My playing became more juicy
Great vid, just subbed. I would consider piano one of the most expressive, you use your feet also and don't underestimate the expressiveness of touch on a great piano!
Trumpet, sax, guitar, clarinet, harmonica and violin. One of those things that is half subjective. We all know drums and flutes and double basses aren’t in the same league as trumpets and violins.
This is cool, I've been playing like that for years now, it's great. But one thing that I did just last week was this: I have been aware that I had my little finger anchored below the high E string. I imagined that it helped my accuracy. I started releasing my little finger from the anchor point, and I was surprised that my accuracy is even better now, because I'm not tying up my hand at that one point. I can much more freely and play longer lines at faster tempos.
This is a very interesting video. I’m 37 year old and have been playing for almost five years, in the past four months I’d say I’ve improved my playing and expressiveness substantially. Over the past few years I’ve been anal about trimming my fingernails on my fretting hand almost every time I play which is everyday. Over the past few weeks I’ve noticed that I haven’t been having to trim my fingernails as often, and I was thought about why but I wasn’t sure. Part of it is from playing regularly my yolks get thicker, harder and more pronounced so the nails don’t protrude as easily, but the biggest reason is I started playing less with the tips of my fingers. I think this is because I’ve lowered the action on all of my acoustics snd I got my first electric guitar a couple months back.
The electric definitely helped make me more expressive even when on an acoustic. I’ve also been learning diatonic button accordion which I’d say is one of the more expensive instruments, it literally feels alive sometimes the way it breaths and vibrates and moans
Excellent
I’ve been looking for a video on this for a awhile. I’m 24 and a huge blues guy, so all of my favorite players use the overhand grip with really flat fingers. I noticed my hands didn’t look like their while playing and it’s been driving me crazy lol
Bro, just grip it like a bat, it's not hard. It's wrong, and you wont become a good player, but it's easy to do.
Fretting with your tips makes running through multiple strings a bit easier, but I generally use more of the flesh.
Just depends on what I'm playing. But good tips ..... get it?! Tips?!
One of the best guitarist I've ever seen amazes me. Watching him play looks likes he plays flat fingered on the pads of his fingers.
Aside: OK, the guitar teacher comment was a 'hook' I think to get people in. He is also a teacher! In this video he has taught.
Now to the video. Thank you thank you thank you!!
I watched an amazing player for years at a club I worked at. He played with such feel and I wanted to sound more like him and other great players. I noticed that a great players fretting hand looked 'different' to how mine looked. I couldn't articulate it. I'd have called it 'more relaxed' or that 'it flowed' whereas mine is 'jumpy'. You've articulated it PERFECTLY! Part of that difference in sound seems to come from a beginner or early intermediate (me) doing things 'to' the guitar, but great players are playing 'with' the guitar. I hope that doesn't sound like BS; it makes sense in my head.
Thank you so much for this truly fantastic lesson.
Great video, David! For so long, I've tried to do the curled fingers thing, thinking it was the "correct" way to fret, even though flatter fingers is waaaay more natural feeling and allows me to move more quickly and accurately. Thank you!!
Thank you brother!
@StrangeDevice I think you mean to say faster and cleaner.
Great video David. I'm curious about the black cube shaped device to your left, next to the white object?
That’s my hard drive bay. 4 hard drives are in there!
I've been learning guitar for two years. I need to speed up my chord changes and use barre chords as often as I use open chords. But, beyond that, I'm dying!!!!!! to pick up the guitar and start playing like you do at the end of the video. How longggg does it take? Great lesson on using the flatter part of the fingertips. I can feel the difference already.
Thanks a lot Will! I’m thrilled this helps you on the journey we are all on!
Thank you.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
A light bulb moment for this beginner! I've watched so many lessons for acoustic which place great emphasis on the importance of the upright, tip-of-the-finger placement to get clean notes. I've found this awkward. I have an electric guitar as well as an acoustic, and agree that electric offers much more opportunity for expression. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you for making a detailed video like this. I can see the work that you put into this.
Thank you!
I've been playing for over 30 years and I still don't know very much about scales or a, c, d placements. My friend taught me a couple of Death Metal riffs on guitar and I learned on my own from there.(Pestilence-Out of Body is the first song that I learned). I have multiple albums on TH-cam and everything... Play what you feel and how you feel...🤘
I'm torn. I really don't know if I'd be as good a player as I am today if I hadn't started with more classical form before transitioning to a more relaxed "rock" form. When I played with a classical form, my fingers were usually hovering directly over each string, so I started on a really good foot in terms of accuracy and efficiency of motion. You have to move your hand way more with a blues grip. The way the two forms blend together has made me a much more well-rounded guitarist.
All that said, I think what's even more important than finger position, specifically for a rock style, is how your hand (usually somewhere along the outer edge of the index finger) connects with the edge of the fretboard. Hard to describe without showing, but experts tend to always have the same spot of their hand connected to that edge most of the time. For me, the classical floating wrist style did not work for playing faster licks at all, and the more I keep my hand planted these days, the better I get. Also you can get a very different feel by changing the exact spot/area that connects... worth a try.
so many guitar teacher overlook this topic. For them is all about learning the modes and harmonizing. Not a lot about how to express yourself and dynamics .... thanks 4 this!
Check out Chris Sherland.
@@themacocko6311 thanks, I will!
@@JAFOpty Brian Kelly is an awesome teacher too. 👍
thank you