Metal Detecting Digging Tool Comparisons

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  • @paulwyman2299
    @paulwyman2299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Will be getting a couple of whites. My son and I go through quite a lot of small shovels just from our local hardware . They don't work out too well........ just went to three online stores all sold out

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Whites closed their business this year but Garrett made an announcement that they purchased Whites. 🤞 that Garrett will continue making these diggers 🤞. Garrett Metal detectors customers service centre may know if they will continue this line.

    • @paulwyman2299
      @paulwyman2299 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RelicDirtyhands THANK YOU

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulwyman2299 you’re welcome, if you get an update please let me know.

    • @ADVNevada
      @ADVNevada 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully someone makes something like the whites again. I lost mine and really want another one.

  • @Jaybird-oo3ih
    @Jaybird-oo3ih 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like the predator tools, I just recently purchased the ultra eagle @ 85 bucks, for use in yard permissions where neatness counts, it has a 4-1/2"wX7-7/8"L blade total length is 37-1/2" perfect for those yard permissions. and Then I Use the Predator Baracuda @ 90 bucks with 5"X9" blade length and has a wider step set up for foot pad use, Overall length is 38" both are T handle. The Baracuda is very light like your Piranha and blade shape is the same, perfect for digging in fields or woods. Thanks for the comparision video.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jay bird2963 thank you for the additional information, appreciate it!

  • @ChristineBishop
    @ChristineBishop 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for the information went ahead and ordered the Whites digger :) So excited to get started !

  • @laurakotzbauer4573
    @laurakotzbauer4573 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I use the White’s hand digger also and just love it! It’s the only digger that doesn’t hurt my hand and it really slices through those roots as you said. Thank you for the great review. 👍🏻

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re welcome, it’s the best one we tried so far!

    • @nikkolaus
      @nikkolaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hang onto that thing as long as you can, and use it gently.. Apparently White's was bought out by Garrett and now everywhere is out of stock of the White's and Garrett just dumped the designs into some locked cabinet somewhere... ya know what they say... Can't beat em, Buy em.

  • @advenzures
    @advenzures 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome review! Great video! Happy Hunting!

  • @jerrywillis1177
    @jerrywillis1177 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great review video.
    I bought the White’s digger because of your great review.
    Thank You, love all the reviews , as a newbie it has really helped.Jerry

  • @nikkolaus
    @nikkolaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for making this comparison video.

  • @djones4426
    @djones4426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the comparison. Was going to get the lesche but after seeing the comparison, I’m going with the whites

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately Whites closed their doors and from what I understand they no longer make them. It’s terrible, we’re a little stressed about ever loosing one of ours. Unsure what our options would be on the market today. It was the double sided serrated blade that really made a difference. We’ll have to research and test what they have out there today ☺️👍

  • @5against4
    @5against4 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good Job, my whites shovel is a bit bent just up from the blade. I also bent my large letch but not much. My cedar river shovel is tough as nails, but a tad heavy. It also holds mud in it more once your done with a plug, but great for tough fields. Thanks for the info, I dont use a hand digger, just more belt weight I don't need. But now I know what to get if I ever change things up.
    Tc and Happy Hunting

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool, thanks for the feedback, we are hard on our equipment, durability is a must for us! Take care! HH Eric

  • @DmitryShevkoplyas
    @DmitryShevkoplyas 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, awesome overview! This was helpful!

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome, I'm happy this helped! HH Eric

  • @ralphpearson5420
    @ralphpearson5420 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info, I am considering a predator shovel and your info has pushed me over the edge as to my decision. Thanks for taking the time.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re welcome, It’s been a great shovel!

  • @dovets
    @dovets 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review. It actually pushed me from a choice between the Leshe and the Garret and gave me the third option which I ultimately went with! Thank you for your no-nonsense approach and good advice.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      dovets right on! Soo happy it helped you make a good decision. Not that the others are bad..but I believe the White's digger to have some obvious advantages which can be hard to differentiate unless you've used them all and have them side by side. Thanks for commenting, we appreciate the support. HH Eric

  • @MerrylBustin
    @MerrylBustin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info!! Thanks! Anxious to hear more about the scoops being developed. Will be staying tuned!

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Merryl Bustin so am I! Thanks for watching!

  • @yerdigginitmetaldetecting
    @yerdigginitmetaldetecting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good review, when you see them all side by side you can really see the differences. I don’t think I even used a hand digger since I bought my T-handle.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      T handles make great plugs 👍 thanks for watching Eric.

  • @g.fortin3228
    @g.fortin3228 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice review! I was about to buy a smaller hand digger.. I can see whyt you like the whites, the comfort handle alone sold it for me. And the serrations are better too. So my choice is the same.. thank you for saving me from the discomfort of the harder plasticky handles !

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's awesome! It's a relatively small difference in size but makes a huge difference when it comes to ease of use and comfort. Happy you enjoy it.

  • @davidhefner5668
    @davidhefner5668 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My DIY trowel is made of 10 gauge steel. That's about 1/8" thickness. So many makers use thin metal and heat treat it. What happens is....the blade becomes brittle and eventually cracks. I go with heavier metal to compensate the tempered thinner metals.

  • @unclewiggly8039
    @unclewiggly8039 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    just starting metal detecting, thanks for the tool selection's

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're welcome! Happy I could help. HH Eric

  • @RedBeardRelicHunter
    @RedBeardRelicHunter 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review! Thanks RDH crew

  • @normawinton6832
    @normawinton6832 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the lesche digger. I use too use a regular garden digger with 2 points on the tip and notched on one side. But it started too rust a little

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you seen a benefit having a 2 point digger? How does it do?

    • @normawinton6832
      @normawinton6832 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Relic Dirtyhands it did the job. One time though I pinpointed it perfectly and stabbed my target lol

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Norma Winton 😝

  • @danq.5140
    @danq.5140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice honest review.

  • @kennycarson1960
    @kennycarson1960 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video thanks

  • @WeShootBack1776
    @WeShootBack1776 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm kinda leaning towards the Garret or the leshe digger it seems like there built heavier what do you suggest for heavier more compact soil ? I use a Anaconda nx5 shovel which is freaking amazing but I don't think they make a small trowel. How much is your white's?? I've been detecting for 15 years now but I'm constantly breaking them . What's the weight of the white's also ? I'd rather one built heavy like the white's

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately, White's is no longer but was purchased by Garrett. Unsure what they are offering at the moment. The Garrett was definitely heavy duty but wasn't sharp. We're going to try Motley digging tools this season.

  • @TheRealMikman
    @TheRealMikman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea where you can still buy the whites dig master tool? I can't find it anywhere I have one and love it as well, the blade snapped on my recently from prying up on very hard ground, I didn't think it could happen but it did 😞

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wish I knew, someone really needs to make these again!

  • @JershsMetalDetecting
    @JershsMetalDetecting 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info, I have the ground hawg shovel myself, the first one I had I bent the first day I had it with in 30 mins. I do have a video up when it happen, they did replace it for me, but I'm just afraid it's not strong enough where the shovel meets the shaft, the little elbow part it bends easy.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eric talked about the elbow part and wondered how it would do. I didn’t use that clip but you answered the question well. Thank you for sharing that! The predator shovel we have, has taken 6 years of beating. We have never even sharpened it nor has it bent.

    • @JershsMetalDetecting
      @JershsMetalDetecting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the ground haws actually really great for rocky areas, and roots, does small holes....... only complaint is I wouldn't reef on it to hard. if they would have welded a piece of metal from shovel to shaft it would be perfect. :) but eric did well!!!! I should show you a picture of my hand digger that has lasted me 4 years you would laugh.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’d like to see it 😁 one thing I did like about the Whites ground hawg was how well you could scoop the dirt out of a hole. It’s more concave and held more dirt.

    • @JershsMetalDetecting
      @JershsMetalDetecting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thats always a bonus i like too!

  • @LogicalWonderz
    @LogicalWonderz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will be adding a few White's hand diggers to my arsenal. Thank you for the video. Have you used any Grave Digger ones?

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      logicalwonderz no we haven’t tried them yet. I did get a Lesche T handle for Christmas and looking forward to using it.

  • @kellyzuzic3664
    @kellyzuzic3664 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! Thank you.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kelly Zuzic thanks! Glad you enjoyed. HH Eric

  • @stringfrenzy
    @stringfrenzy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job with the review.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Josh, we just shared what we discovered beating up these diggers for so long. 😁

  • @steveshepherd2712
    @steveshepherd2712 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good review Eric, only thing missing is price comparison

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good point, I checked out US pricing for each. Whites hand digger 39.95, Garrett 39.95, Lesche 43.99. T Handles shovels predator 96.95, wiskey Walker was selling hers for 99.00 US. Whites ground hawg 59.95.

  • @linktothepastmetaldetectin5648
    @linktothepastmetaldetectin5648 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Eric, I'll be going with the whites digger

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's my favorite hand digger. I hope you like it too. Take care!

    • @linktothepastmetaldetectin5648
      @linktothepastmetaldetectin5648 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RelicDirtyhands well after going back and forth I finally ordered the lesche, it's a little lighter, and the smaller guard is what finally made up my mind

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome! In the end its about personal preference. Happy the comparison helped you make your decision.

  • @themadbadger2920
    @themadbadger2920 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought the Garrett digger as well, and I found it too thick as well, and not sharp enough, it's about as sharp as a bowling ball! I'm gonna take a grinder to it! I love the Predator-Piranha, but I couldn't bring myself to pay almost 190. bucks to get it to Toronto, and the Sampson I wanted is out of stock. So I ordered the Lil' Digger- $39.99 USD from Alabama and had it sent to my parents house, so I can bring it back in my checked bag. I don't think the Piranha would fit.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your input. Hope the grinder helps..Yeah, I know what you mean about the piranha. I'm shopping for a shovel, since I broke all of mine. Laurie is using the piranha..the only survivor..lol. I am looking at the Lesche shovels but i may just suck it up and get the piranha. don't know...HH Eric

  • @AshtonCoinHunts
    @AshtonCoinHunts 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome reviews

  • @MadisonMainedetecting
    @MadisonMainedetecting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What no "Wicked Digger"? Lol! Great review Eric, I can see how the White's is well designed. I own the Lesche and the cheap Wiskars and rarely carry one these days. GL&HH🖖

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Madison Maine thanks man! With the type of hunting you do, I can see why you mostly use the T-handle. Take care! Eric

  • @DiggingCanuck
    @DiggingCanuck 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to hear your opinion.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Digging Canuck Thanks Liz! I think having a side by side comparison will help people see the differences between them. At the end of the day it's about personal preference. HH Eric

    • @DiggingCanuck
      @DiggingCanuck 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Piranha is definitely a shovel I would love to add to my gear.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You wouldn't regret it..Went on their site yesterday and looks like they are out of stock right now...

  • @LyudmilaRGVK
    @LyudmilaRGVK 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I would like to know is if you are right handed what side of the blade should be serrated?

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      LyudmilaRGVK it depends on how you cut your plugs, I’m right handed and cut my plugs clockwise. I prefer both sides serrated. HH Eric

  • @adventureswiththekurks8602
    @adventureswiththekurks8602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most of the parks here in Vancouver we would get kicked out of if we brought those murder shovels 😂😂. Loved the info, will help me when I finally buy my grownup trowel.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Metal Detecting With The Kurks that’s a really good point we should have mentioned. We only use our t shovels in the woods, private permission and farm fields. 👍

  • @wizzarin424
    @wizzarin424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice Video, but it would have been nice if you had linked this video on where to get these tools.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately this is an older video and two of the shovels we show are no longer available. The one from Ally and the ones from Whites.

  • @mase202
    @mase202 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    which shovel to you recommend for really hard dry rock like dirt like arizona dirt? thankyou for your time

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      mase202 I’ve seen some use pick axe type tools to get through it.

    • @mase202
      @mase202 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Relic Dirtyhands thanks how about the ones in your video for hard soil which shovel? thanks

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      From my experience and others I've seen, I would choose a shovel from predator tools..they are light weight and very strong. They use some type of aerospace allow. Nice point as well..recently I acquired a lesche T handle and I find the foot step is to small...much preffer the predator.
      i use the pirhana but they have different models. The barracuda could be a good choice.

  • @lukecollins2671
    @lukecollins2671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Check out the Grave Digger sidekick

  • @leojagawaga6481
    @leojagawaga6481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How About The Dr Otek Looks To Be a Great Digger Knife?

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  ปีที่แล้ว

      It looks to be a great knife, we have a few friends that use them.

  • @aviverde9031
    @aviverde9031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    looks like you have 3 mini one-hand shovels there budd!

  • @matt0783
    @matt0783 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Good job guys! Tickling the roots lmao! Btw killer shirt!

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Matt, that’s the first thing that came to mind. It tickled my finger vs wanting to tear my finger apart. See you soon Eric

  • @OutdoorsygalO
    @OutdoorsygalO 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate this review, thank you so much for filming the review! ❤️
    I gave you a thumbs up and LIKED your video review.
    I have been struggling with a replacment shovel. This gives me a better grasp on the choices. I have been concerned with choices out there for shovels with steel wrapped around wood that are available in local building stores. They seem to not be as well built as they could be for soil penetration and reaming on it. Defintely would not last.
    And there are so many shovels out there with wimpy welds attaching the handle to the blade! Very frustrating to find a GOOD solid one.
    Thanks for this review. You have made my choices more clear!
    Wondering though....could you please provide links to the shovel manufacturers in your description? Thank you ever so much! XO

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Outdoorsygal O I’m so happy I could help 😁 predator tools is high quality and will last you. I’ll send you a message tomorrow 👍

    • @OutdoorsygalO
      @OutdoorsygalO 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much! ❤️

  • @Velnio_Išpera
    @Velnio_Išpera 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, where I could buy whites digger?

  • @michealrawlins928
    @michealrawlins928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Darn.. I forgot to show you the best one of all.. The one I made of titanium.. I love it.. tough as nails and light

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Micheal Rawlins you’ll have to show me, who makes them? The whites digger is heavy.

  • @snapnpiksallthetime7672
    @snapnpiksallthetime7672 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I sharpen mine with a knife sharpener, even the serrated edges

  • @mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff
    @mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I got out of this video is if it's not a real lesche/predator tools shovel it will bend...lol

  • @pricetag30
    @pricetag30 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No shovel compare to the Predator Tool shovels!

  • @wickedninja8599
    @wickedninja8599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any handhelds that compare to the White's now? I see they are out of business.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would have to see if there is anything comparable now. We are still using this hand digger.

  • @me-cq7wv
    @me-cq7wv 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Edge from U2.

  • @christinakellis1155
    @christinakellis1155 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the longer handle shovels just in case I have to kill a snake.

  • @mariaberry7662
    @mariaberry7662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the Whites digger tool but, I broke two of them. They last me two seasons and snap. >Wayne

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The short or long handle one?

    • @mariaberry7662
      @mariaberry7662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RelicDirtyhands The short hand held trowel kind. >Wayne

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mariaberry7662 Wow we’ve had ours for years now and they have held up. That’s awful, sorry to hear that was you’re experience but thanks for letting us know!

  • @TwoBitTony
    @TwoBitTony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't find the whites anywhere. It's obviously the better tool

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately they are out of business and it might be hard to find one now.

  • @RussTNails-fw9ds
    @RussTNails-fw9ds ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be great if who ever made the whites digging knife for them would start making them, it's unlikely that whites actually made them.I would buy one asap😊

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  ปีที่แล้ว

      I know, it’s sad Whites are no longer around. Garrett bought them out, wish they made them.

    • @digginggopher
      @digginggopher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Garrett should have made both the whites digger and TRX, I bet a lot of people would still love those 2 products

  • @Jigsaw_knows
    @Jigsaw_knows 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought one for 9 dollers at home depot. Winner. Made by fiskers

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We went through that, did the same. Until they brake in the most inconvenient moments and places. After spoiling a few outings and buying a few of those...

  • @cdenver
    @cdenver 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont use the Dr. Otek one. Mine literally just broke in two pieces. Its only 3 weeks old and I have been gardening for two decades.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cdenver wow good to know, thanks for sharing!

    • @cdenver
      @cdenver 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RelicDirtyhands Here is the picture of the break in case your audience needs to see it. I cant find the Piranha shovel you are talking about on amazon. I see the Hoover Boys using them all the time. I really need one but due to what just happened today I think I am attempting to be more careful when shopping for metal detecting tools. Here is the picture: i.imgur.com/ybAItId.jpg

  • @carolsangrett3596
    @carolsangrett3596 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just subscribed to your channel..I am a j3b sub that came to check u guys out..bonus that u are Canadian I am in Alberta..Where are u? Very informative info thank u

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Carol, thank you so much for subscribing, we live out in Quebec. 😁 I was in Alberta for two months as a teen. The light evenings and northern lights is what I remember most. Welcome to our channel! Laurie

  • @Rob8
    @Rob8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to sharpen them now and again.

    • @RelicDirtyhands
      @RelicDirtyhands  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be a good idea. We still haven't sharpened ours.

    • @Rob8
      @Rob8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RelicDirtyhands you'll notice a difference, especially with roots.

  • @ashj_2088
    @ashj_2088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ha ,, I'm here cos I want to make one 🤯🔫👍

  • @adamacker8870
    @adamacker8870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really great video. My wife would like your permission to use it on her new website entitled metaldetectorbattles.com. Please let me know if you are interested.

  • @fullflavor5
    @fullflavor5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just chew Thru all roots and stuff with my teeth.....