I don’t think people actually understand how “RIDICULOUS“ this actually is.. a x86 app running with translated software and performing better than in a native system is !CRAZY! 🤯
And that is how apple beats microsoft on arm chip race... this first gen arm chip already blew everything away unlike what happened to Surface Pro X last year
@@USNEM Google used the same camera in the Pixel for 4 years... and just updated it with software... no reason to think that Apple can't do some of that here...
I don’t think people actually understand how “RIDICULOUS “ this actually is.. an x86 app running with translated software and performing better than in a native system is !CRAZY! 🤯
Adding a touchscreen would add 9,999 premium to the price. They just making a breakthrough charging the same for m1 from intel. So why would they want to rush everything? Adding another trillion annually is what they do.
Just chiming in to say the team at The Verge is doing an absolutely wonderful job with these reviews in spite of 2020 and all the challenges of wfh. The format of this review is super clever.
I agree! Amazingly slick editing and production, Verge team! Also helped persuade me to buy the MacBook Air (thank you!). QQ - Is the minus 100 nits brightness difference noticeable though?
There are rumors that Apple will refresh its 16 inch MBP with 10th gen intel CPUs for one last time before transitioning to Apple Silicon. Don't get your hopes up too soon
“Chrom pushes the battery DOWN to 8-10 hrs” ok Apple weren’t kidding when they said the battery life improved. Imagine getting 8-10hrs using chrome on any other Mac/windows laptop 😂
@@VaibhavAgrawal01 Kyu bheek mang ke india ki image kharaab karta hai be ? Aise chutiyapa karke kya milta be. Kisi ke bhi man me jhaat bhar bhi izzat nahi badhti tereliye jab koi famous youtuber tere comment like karta hai to ulta hazaaro logo ki galiya khayega aise chaale karne se.
3 years in, Rosetta 2 is deprecated, Universal apps are just apps. M3 screams over and above the competition with so much more space and resources for computing.
@@xOogieBoogie3x They should be worse than ZEN 3, if it weren’t, the M1 chip would be insane. Keep in mind that it will be the lowest end Apple Silicon chip for Mac’s so. Still tho, it got a more powerful single-core or at least it matches the single-core scores of ZEN 3 and this is while using 1/5 of the wattage. Apple are off to a very good start with Apple Silicon, now we just need to wait and see if they can scale it up to compete with AMD in desktop as well. If you don’t think the M1 chip is looking impressive than I don’t know what kind of insane performance gains you are expecting.
This is mind blowing. Looking at how well ARM did on Windows, I didn’t have high hopes for Apple Silicon, and yet Apple has completely shattered my expectations.
Late comment but ARM never did well on Windows. Microsoft even stopped using ARM based chips on their Sufrace devices and started using Intel chips instead. Also they discontinued Windows 10X which never did run well on ARM based devices so not sure what do you mean by saying "Looking at how well ARM did on Windows" which never happened.
@@jeffkung5088 they can easily come out with a laptop that does everything everyone wants to do but then there would be no reason for people to upgrade for a long time
Apple hardware engineers have done an amazing job. They got a lot of experience designing chips for the iPhone and now they applied it for the notebooks. Can't even wait for the second generation of these things.
The script of this video, the direction, the editing, the music and of course the review itself can all be summarized with one word: "PRICELESS!". In my opinion, this video outshines almost every other past Verge video. To all the people who put this video together, keep it up! And, thanks.
@@sourav7162 5$ on Ali express to buy so lmao thanks late, as if a minus even 5$ cost on a computer was a reason for a company to change a design architecture
iOS apps being available on macOS could be huge for security and privacy. Banking for example. If I can use my banks iOS app on macOS, I don't have to go to their website in a web browser, where I could accidentally mistype the URL, or be subject to a browser exploit, man-in-the-middle or phishing attack etc.
No. Most of the time you get "hacked", it's because you stupidly use stupid password, or put your password unencrypted digitally, or someone social engineers you, which is basically your fault.
See long story short. For a company like Apple, who charges such an exorbitant price for their products and services, they better be the best in class. That is expected from them. Nothing to be so geeked about.
I was convinced when they launched the iWatch and AirPods. Hopefully this leadership will continue into the future. Apple can best be described in two words: Innovative ecosystem
The move to its own processor is part of Jobs's plan in 2008 just a year after the launch of iPhone. Not only that, he predicted the move before he rejoined Apple
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify Which was a rip of products from another company. Steve wasn’t magic. He just knew what he liked (and that’s probably the biggest understatement here).
@Dave Chapelle based on this video and my needs as of right now everything I need is in the air and the pro is more beefy in what it can do but both reach expectations. Don’t get me wrong I’d like the pro but given the way things are it would be better for me to save the money and go with the Air.
@@parole1768 Is your livelihood dependent on editing videos or making music? If not take the 8GB memory. Apple has optimised its software to fully stretch out that 8GB memory using their M1 chip so you won't feel sluggish working on it.
I'm honestly so surprised that this went as well as it did. I wasn't expecting a dumpster fire or anything, but I was not really expecting much better than Intel based macs on non-native apps. Great job Apple. I have to say though, I had much higher hopes for the webcam after hearing about the better image processing. The main reason that webcams look so bad is the lack of a good strong ISP in normal computers. That truly is a dumpster fire.
The problem isn't actually the hardware. It's the distance from the pcb. You see it with windows 2-in-1s. Their webcams are so much better than the laptops because the image data can be processed by the cpu directly. On laptops, the wired runs are via USB 2.0, which is terrible for latency and throughput.
I'm actually using the web cam, (I upgraded from a MacBook Pro i5) it's much better than on the previous Macs, these guys are lying basically, because unexpectedly they couldn't find any other faults with the M1!
@@jackdominiak445 it’s more about the fact that compared to almost every other laptop at similar price points you get a much better camera. It’s also the fact that more people are working at home and would expect a very good camera on a “Pro” machine rather than just an ok one. It’s apple being stingy again, as they are with reducing ports, and expensive r]RAM and storage upgrades. It’s right to call them out on this every single time rather than just accept it. Having said all that, these laptops and the apple mini are impressive, and I’m kind of tempted to get a Mac mini now. I see a lot of comments from windows users who are curious as well.
Yeah, this is the big jump I've been waiting for. I ordered a Macbook Pro today. I might have gotten a MacBook Air if I had spent more time looking them both over, but then maybe not. Better cooling is not a small thing because you never know, you know.
@@theartshow1476 Nah, Mac users experienced it too when Intel didn‘t hold their huge promises on power efficient 10nm chips in 2016, which were supposed to be used for the 12“ fan-less MacBook. It was partly Intel‘s fault that the 12“ MacBook had to be discontinued. And now 4 years later Intel is still trying to deliver on those „efficient“ 10nm chips. *Edit: admittedly, Intel‘s new 11th CPU is quite good and competes with TSMCs 7nm node. But a little too late to be taken seriously at that point. And whether that decent quad core CPU is even scalable remains to be seen. It‘ll have to if they want to have any chance in keeping up with AMD and Apple.
AMD has been demolishing Intel the last couple years too, especially with the most recently released Ryzen chips. It's like Intel isn't even trying any more. The company a shadow of its former self.
These guys are too good! Been watching these reviews for years now, Nilay is amazing and Dieter is also great and add a new point of view, which is always welcome.
Back in 2013, I Bought a MacBook Pro 13 inch because it was clearly better than the air. It had a better display, much better performance and it was clearly the best thing for the future This time around it is different, the Air is much much closer to the 13” Pro, and is a fantastic offering.
Same here. Still rocking a mid 2014 pro. At the time it was a no brainer vs the Air, but now that I’m probably going to buy an M1, Air seems the way to go
Air is the clear winner this round. Due to efficiency of the M1 chip, you get similar performance, similar battery life, and a similar screen for significantly cheaper. Based on what I’ve seen in this video, I don’t even see a need for the 2-port MacBook Pro to even exist. For example, Id much rather have the Air with 16GB of Unified memory for $1200, than pay $1300 for a base 2-port Pro. If you’re dead set on the Pro, it would definitely be worth it to wait for the upgraded AS chip with 4-ports and a higher performance ceiling.
I wouldnt say miles ahead in smart watch or laptop. Id say they are first in smartwatch, but not miles ahead of something like galaxy watch, which had features like variable refresh rate display and sleep tracking years before the apple watch got it, and so the competition is close there. In laptops, apple only competes in a small sliver of the overall market, and even then, its always a question of price when making the comparisons, so once again, even if you want to say they're first, you can't say they are miles ahead of people like Dell and Microsoft.
They need to update the aging Surface Pro laptops to look like the Surface X and they and Apple really lost their minds with the prices on their ARM based laptops. I have the 12.9 inch iPad Pro and the 2017 Surface Pro and have no reason to upgrade either for a while so I'm hoping by the time I decide to do so that the very least Surface Pro laptops and the Surface keyboard get refreshed with a bigger track pad and smaller bezels. I'm hoping that Apple eventually gets Mac OS on iPad Pro since they did so well with their that Mac using their own processors.
@@Htrdtte44tyy That has nothing to do with my comment, and with images of the upcoming Surface Pro 8 and is huge outdated bezels Microsoft needs to step up. M1 MacBook Pros have already had Windows on ARM installed and no surprises it wipes he floor of even Surface Pro X2 with the new mobile CPU in it. Once Microsoft start to license out Windows on ARM OS that will definitely be a major step forward in app creation and adoption of developers making and optimizing apps.
Sounds like the problem is Chrome, and not Apple. Direct your frustration at Google. While you're at it, switch to the chromium version of Microsoft Edge, it's Chrome without with Google privacy nightmare.
@@mrifan8625 I personally do for 99% of the websites I use. Some however don't like to play ball in Safari, TH-cam being one of them (shocker!). Plus Safari is missing a few extensions I use in other browsers. My browser preference rank is Safari > Firefox > Edge (Chromium) > Chrome.
Docker just dropped its beta version, they expect it to release in a few weeks. Python, java and everything else works perfectly. Vs code runs on Rosetta for now, Microsoft announced that the native version is coming in a few weeks. Homebrew is also in the works and native version will be out in a week. NodeJS also works perfectly
Thank you@@Marius_ae! Unfortunately budget is capped as my friend needs to make the purchase to replace their old macbook pro which has died ASAP, so waiting and saving more isn't really an option. They have enough for either of the options mentioned above, but we can't work out if it's worth getting a Pro with less ram than an Air for the same price.
@@shadician short answer it isn’t for an average user :) the performance is similar, but because of the cooling fan in the Pro it can handle heavy work loads over longer time without a drop in performance. It Also has a bit better battery, but the airs battery is Also great at this point. The price difference really isn’t worth it for the average user, and 16 gigs of ram vs 8 gigs is a no brainer. I say go for the 16 gig Air :)
What are you doing with the computer? That’s the question. As they explain in the video, the MacBook Pro can be pushed harder because it has a fan, but the two models are basically just as powerful. When it comes to RAM, it’s not as clear cut. I can tell you the MacBook Pro 8GB model does not feel like an 8GB laptop. It’s hard to believe until you use it, but it can easily handle 4K footage in FCPX without breaking a sweat. You will hit a wall with the RAM if you’re really pushing the machine though.
I like this video a lot, but I was seriously astounded by the editing on those smooth transitions of you both talking about 3/4 into the video! I love the way that there was little to no pauses in between of you both talking and giving your views on the respective machines that you independently reviewing. It's a very good video and the editing is top notch!
Yeah, why would you need a touch screen on a laptop? I don't get it. There's already a really nice trackpad. And if you still want to touch the screen, get an iPad.
If you had an iPad, you wouldn't give a damn for touch laptop. -user. Also they are selling ipad pros as big and powerful as laptops but nobody ditched macbook.
Are there any changes to the touch bar from the previous generations? I personally really like the touch bar now that I know how to customize it and use it for myself
@@GrymShip M1 isn't mature but Apple have been messing around with ARM for quite some time now. I'm pretty sure it's a good investment already. Even though it'll obviously rapidly improve over the next generations.
Learn on a windows machine so you know the pain of setting up environment and then when you get a job ask them to provide a Mac. That way you develop your problem solving skills and set up familiarity
I'm pretty happy with how apple is behaving currently, I'm an apple "hater" if you can say so, but lately they are really doing a great job and Qualcomm, intel, amd etc can FINALLY get some decent competition. Now that Nvidia bought ARM I really want to see some decent arm processor to match/beat the M1
@@rohankauts2339 most recent gen was actually almost debatable i thought, but yeah generally apple ARM chips demolish qualcomm, especially in practical use. intel gave up on the competition last year, until they get out a new line and 7nm they just dont have a hope
@@rohankauts2339 Only in synthetic benchmarks, which doesn't accurately depict proper performance, especially between two different architectures. Geekbench specifically has been caught changing test scores to favor iOS over Android, and Windows/Mac over LInux. In real world use, like basic photo editing or video editing, Qualcom chips, heck even exynos models, generally outperform apple's Bionic.
I’m from the U.K. and I’m a big fan of ARM, they should have never been allowed to be sold to an overseas country.....not sure if ARM’s acquisition by Nvidia will be a good thing, time will tell. ARM tech really has the ability to make waves in the desktop computing world. As can be witnessed by Apples switch to ARM tech, and we are also now seeing AMR based laptops too. By the way Qualcomm chips are also ARM based.
for web development the chrome developer tools are top of the line, safari dev tools are better then in the past but trust me nobody uses them unless you’re troubleshooting something on an iPhone.
Hi, may I know what is the software you use to bypass when you are using Adobe photoshop to make the current version works on the new m1 chips processor?
So I don't get it, does M1 has touch bar or it doesnt? On apple store images it shows like it has it, but here where you show how you use it, it doesnt.... I was watching x2 speed, maybe I missed smthing..
Firefox’s dedication to privacy is on par with Apple’s. And the team is smaller, so it feels more intimate when you receive emails from Mozilla. Plus, their Internet safety newsletters = THE BEST.
At 6:05 he literally said "look if you are a professional who needs to do a hardcore things through your laptop I'm not promise you that this is a better than intel with a separate, serious GPU. but if you are looking at getting a basic laptop like the MacBook air, apple did it" he forgot to say that this basic laptop cost $1,650.00 which can buy you a hardcore specs intel laptop, not a basic laptop like apple's. They did great job promoting this laptop, if apple made an ad it won't be better that this one.
It is more that professionals shouldn't trust new software it isn't tested and it can go very wrong as well as IO limitations. As far as performance these perform as well as a MBP16 and even in xCode the same as a 3950X hackintosh. Source: dave2d
Is there really no replacement for chrome yet? I remember the day I surprised by chrome but it was really long ago. I thought FireFox would catching chrome at least.
Has Apple done enough to help you trust its all new processors?
Waiting on people to install + test Linux distros
Happy Diwali to all hardworking the verge employees
Is it overheated when you edit videos?
Selling a few old lenses to Adorama as we speak towards a M1 MacBook Pro.. We shall see...
Nope. Gen1 is a big no for me. M2, though? Sure.
I don’t think people actually understand how “RIDICULOUS“ this actually is..
a x86 app running with translated software and performing better than in a native system is !CRAZY! 🤯
Yeah this is really impressive stuff!
Exactly. This should be talkd about more. It's just ridiculous that non-native transpiled apps are performing better than they perform on x86 chips.
And that is how apple beats microsoft on arm chip race... this first gen arm chip already blew everything away unlike what happened to Surface Pro X last year
The only crazy thing here is that 720p camera 😂
@@USNEM Google used the same camera in the Pixel for 4 years... and just updated it with software... no reason to think that Apple can't do some of that here...
They don’t get hot? So I’m supposed to pay for a Macbook AND heating now??
@@srgb5594 pay for a heater
Oh my, it doesn’t get hot?
Why you want a laptop on your lap that burns?
@@insanitylol it's a joke....
Lol.... I needed that.
Buy laptop coolpad😉
What is crazy is that this is the weakest chip Apple will ever make for a laptop. Next year’s 16 inch MacBook Pro is going to be a BEAST.
@Chrono they’re not gonna make a less powerful chip in a more expensive computer
@Chrono we all know that already.
My thoughts exactly, this is fantastic
I don’t think that 16 inch MacBook will be much difference
Maybe a m1x and ofc that 16 inch screen
Probably like 5 - 20% better performance on an m1x
But let’s hope that 2021 MacBooks get touchscreen
RIP anyone who just purchased an older low end mac
Return it maybe
I'd say.. poor souls that choose a mac in the first place, M1 chip or not.. Read my reply to "Anthony Jiang"..
I bought a MacBook Pro right before the transition because I wanted to have Windows. I don’t regret it.
@@princesidon I think I've found intel's only customer base moving into 2021
Meh, not really. I have the 2020 Air but couldn’t have waited until now to get the new one.
Apple was just trying to be humble towards intel at the presentation for the sake of good old days.🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Very true
Agree..
They try to keep sell Mac with intel haha
I don’t think people actually understand how “RIDICULOUS “ this actually is.. an x86 app running with translated software and performing better than in a native system is !CRAZY! 🤯
Adding a touchscreen would add 9,999 premium to the price. They just making a breakthrough charging the same for m1 from intel. So why would they want to rush everything? Adding another trillion annually is what they do.
Just chiming in to say the team at The Verge is doing an absolutely wonderful job with these reviews in spite of 2020 and all the challenges of wfh. The format of this review is super clever.
🙏 Thank you Jordan!
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I agree! Amazingly slick editing and production, Verge team! Also helped persuade me to buy the MacBook Air (thank you!). QQ - Is the minus 100 nits brightness difference noticeable though?
I didn't like their iPhone PRO review as no Profeatue was put to the test except the camera not the LiDAR this review is great and seems genuine
I totally agree... 💯!!
Now super excited for the 16-inch. It's probably gonna scream, quietly.
I got mine less than a year ago and I'm curious about the upgrade, but I'm not looking forward to trying to max out the ram.
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There are rumors that Apple will refresh its 16 inch MBP with 10th gen intel CPUs for one last time before transitioning to Apple Silicon. Don't get your hopes up too soon
nice im poor ,
good for you XD
ay! love your vids man!
"Apple chips" sounds like a dish from a chic restaurant in Beverly hills
The price tag goes well with Beverly Hills lol 🤣
@@bw4589 its apple, i wouldnt expect anything less. hell its the same prices as before so really nothing special
@@bradhaines3142 nothing special? I wish there were brain implants available.
@@srgb5594 yeah, i suppose it’s nothing out of ordinary in terms of mac pricing, but certainly something extraordinary in terms of mac value.
@Dave Daniels no one’s hating. I’m an Apple user myself, we were just joking. Chill bro
Sitting on a park bench hunched over a laptop looks cool but is actually really uncomfortable.
And will damage your spine
lol... i see you have,, Alice In Chains - Black gives Way To Blue.... as your profile, whats your favorite song off the album
And dangerous
And also it actually doesn't look cool. It looks douchey.
@@nutbastard Being the only guy in the city and wearing a mask looks douchey.
These solved almost every problems of arm chips in computers
Surface Pro X has left the chat 😂
“Chrom pushes the battery DOWN to 8-10 hrs” ok Apple weren’t kidding when they said the battery life improved. Imagine getting 8-10hrs using chrome on any other Mac/windows laptop 😂
Now imagine if Chrome gets optimized for M1. This thing could fly.
@@nullsurfer7331 I could use chrome all day without charging, I'm sold
With a ryzen 4000U laptop you can
I thought this was standard? Atleast on the Itel 11th gen and Ryzen 4000 series laptops.
@@nullsurfer7331 chrome will still find a way to still be a resource hog
3:34 these shots of the big sur wallpaper reflecting on the keyboard and space grey aluminum are stunning
Seems great. Really keen to know how the 16" Pro performs with video editing when they update that.
Yeah hopefully it’s pretty good!
Hey Karl!
M1X
@@VaibhavAgrawal01 Kyu bheek mang ke india ki image kharaab karta hai be ? Aise chutiyapa karke kya milta be. Kisi ke bhi man me jhaat bhar bhi izzat nahi badhti tereliye jab koi famous youtuber tere comment like karta hai to ulta hazaaro logo ki galiya khayega aise chaale karne se.
@@uncommonname1234 Srry bhai , thanks for the advice though👍👍
3 years in, Rosetta 2 is deprecated, Universal apps are just apps. M3 screams over and above the competition with so much more space and resources for computing.
2:59
I swear I thought the bike guy would steal your laptop. Lol
That side by side review and the way they look at each other when one is talking is next level production quality.
yeap like it,
Yeah the laptops are all nice and dandy but can we take a moment to appreciate how well made this video is? Y’all at The Verge need a raise.
they are gobbling up those apple cods for the big bucks
Apple Silicon in Mac's looks really promising! This change could be huge, not just for Apple, but the whole industry in the coming years.
They're still grossly inferior to AMD's Zen 3 CPUs though, so no, not at all. The Verge are just known Apple fanboys.
@@xOogieBoogie3x AMD doesn't have Zen 3 laptop CPUs...
@@xOogieBoogie3x They should be worse than ZEN 3, if it weren’t, the M1 chip would be insane. Keep in mind that it will be the lowest end Apple Silicon chip for Mac’s so. Still tho, it got a more powerful single-core or at least it matches the single-core scores of ZEN 3 and this is while using 1/5 of the wattage. Apple are off to a very good start with Apple Silicon, now we just need to wait and see if they can scale it up to compete with AMD in desktop as well. If you don’t think the M1 chip is looking impressive than I don’t know what kind of insane performance gains you are expecting.
@@hunterherobrine5209 I meant Zen 2+
The M1 is comparable to a 4000 series Ryzen 5.
@@xOogieBoogie3x Based on what? How do you compare them?
This is mind blowing. Looking at how well ARM did on Windows, I didn’t have high hopes for Apple Silicon, and yet Apple has completely shattered my expectations.
Late comment but ARM never did well on Windows. Microsoft even stopped using ARM based chips on their Sufrace devices and started using Intel chips instead. Also they discontinued Windows 10X which never did run well on ARM based devices so not sure what do you mean by saying "Looking at how well ARM did on Windows" which never happened.
@@Shawn.Shooter whooooooosh
@@Shawn.Shooter you must be fun at parties.
When both say "Here we go" and the ads pop out!
At Apple HQ:
Intern : should we also update webcam on MacBook Air ?
Rest : Nah, it’s for next year refresh !😎
They been having that convo for 10 years now
😂😂😂😂
@@jeffkung5088 they can easily come out with a laptop that does everything everyone wants to do but then there would be no reason for people to upgrade for a long time
@@jeremiahfink5440 But I’m not exactly gonna upgrade for a WebCam. This should be basic stuff by now
@@jeremiahfink5440 that is not how it works.
"more processed version of bad" LMFAO.
Guys- This editing and camera work is incredible, and its still legitimately informative. Truly well done.
Apple hardware engineers have done an amazing job. They got a lot of experience designing chips for the iPhone and now they applied it for the notebooks. Can't even wait for the second generation of these things.
The script of this video, the direction, the editing, the music and of course the review itself can all be summarized with one word: "PRICELESS!". In my opinion, this video outshines almost every other past Verge video. To all the people who put this video together, keep it up! And, thanks.
Yeah the laptops are all nice and dandy but can we take a moment to appreciate how well made this video is? Y’all at The Verge need a raise.
To be fair, the fan on the old macbook air was about as useful as not having one at all. xD
It's why apple removed the fan on the new Apple Silicon MacBook Air to remove production costs and reap those profits ;)
@@Jay_Script so cool ! minus two dollars on each laptop, definetely will bring back apple to the market and finally beat all its competitors !
@@PersepolisBand The fan costs like $20. You know that apple will sell these airs in millions. Now do the math.
@@sourav7162 5$ on Ali express to buy so lmao thanks late, as if a minus even 5$ cost on a computer was a reason for a company to change a design architecture
@@PersepolisBand Apple parts are usually more expensive.
iOS apps being available on macOS could be huge for security and privacy. Banking for example. If I can use my banks iOS app on macOS, I don't have to go to their website in a web browser, where I could accidentally mistype the URL, or be subject to a browser exploit, man-in-the-middle or phishing attack etc.
Yeah but its not executed well, then not a great experience for the customer even if the alternative Is available.
@@RamMohammadJosephKaur I think it will be ok.
It can still be hacked lol, apple security is not government grade
No. Most of the time you get "hacked", it's because you stupidly use stupid password, or put your password unencrypted digitally, or someone social engineers you, which is basically your fault.
See long story short. For a company like Apple, who charges such an exorbitant price for their products and services, they better be the best in class. That is expected from them. Nothing to be so geeked about.
Steve Jobs died 9 years ago, but it's only today that I am convinced that Apple could live without him. They really can innovate.
I was convinced when they launched the iWatch and AirPods. Hopefully this leadership will continue into the future. Apple can best be described in two words: Innovative ecosystem
I agree
The move to its own processor is part of Jobs's plan in 2008 just a year after the launch of iPhone. Not only that, he predicted the move before he rejoined Apple
But they haven't, they even went with Steve jobs iphone design lol
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify Which was a rip of products from another company. Steve wasn’t magic. He just knew what he liked (and that’s probably the biggest understatement here).
Literally nobody but the (extreme) wind:
Dieter: MAAAAAAASK
Gotta do it to feel safe you know... 😉
I feel like y’all saved me money cuz I’ll get the air instead of the 13” pro
@Dave Chapelle based on this video and my needs as of right now everything I need is in the air and the pro is more beefy in what it can do but both reach expectations. Don’t get me wrong I’d like the pro but given the way things are it would be better for me to save the money and go with the Air.
8G or 16G？I'm struggling
@@parole1768 Is your livelihood dependent on editing videos or making music? If not take the 8GB memory. Apple has optimised its software to fully stretch out that 8GB memory using their M1 chip so you won't feel sluggish working on it.
I mean its like the iphone 12 vs 12 pro.
@@hirakaiko5570 you clearly have never used Final Cut
I'm honestly so surprised that this went as well as it did. I wasn't expecting a dumpster fire or anything, but I was not really expecting much better than Intel based macs on non-native apps. Great job Apple. I have to say though, I had much higher hopes for the webcam after hearing about the better image processing. The main reason that webcams look so bad is the lack of a good strong ISP in normal computers. That truly is a dumpster fire.
That webcam problem is a hardware limitation. Excellent software and image processors can back up a below average hardware to a certain extent.
The problem isn't actually the hardware. It's the distance from the pcb. You see it with windows 2-in-1s. Their webcams are so much better than the laptops because the image data can be processed by the cpu directly. On laptops, the wired runs are via USB 2.0, which is terrible for latency and throughput.
I'm actually using the web cam, (I upgraded from a MacBook Pro i5) it's much better than on the previous Macs, these guys are lying basically, because unexpectedly they couldn't find any other faults with the M1!
Linus from linustechtips grumbles in the background about being sceptical...
@@jackdominiak445 it’s more about the fact that compared to almost every other laptop at similar price points you get a much better camera. It’s also the fact that more people are working at home and would expect a very good camera on a “Pro” machine rather than just an ok one. It’s apple being stingy again, as they are with reducing ports, and expensive r]RAM and storage upgrades. It’s right to call them out on this every single time rather than just accept it. Having said all that, these laptops and the apple mini are impressive, and I’m kind of tempted to get a Mac mini now. I see a lot of comments from windows users who are curious as well.
I must say seeing Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn like a reviewing duo was the most exciting thing about this video.
Yeah, this is the big jump I've been waiting for. I ordered a Macbook Pro today. I might have gotten a MacBook Air if I had spent more time looking them both over, but then maybe not. Better cooling is not a small thing because you never know, you know.
You know they're really serious when they review something TOGETHER
None of us knew Intel has been ripping off humanity this badly until today
You must be referring to mostly Mac users because it’s been an ongoing battle in the tech community for a while. Pretty much everyone knows.
Imagine what apple will do lol
@@theartshow1476 yeah you are probably right, I thought the latest intel mac was the best they could do lol silly me.
@@theartshow1476 Nah, Mac users experienced it too when Intel didn‘t hold their huge promises on power efficient 10nm chips in 2016, which were supposed to be used for the 12“ fan-less MacBook. It was partly Intel‘s fault that the 12“ MacBook had to be discontinued. And now 4 years later Intel is still trying to deliver on those „efficient“ 10nm chips.
*Edit: admittedly, Intel‘s new 11th CPU is quite good and competes with TSMCs 7nm node. But a little too late to be taken seriously at that point. And whether that decent quad core CPU is even scalable remains to be seen. It‘ll have to if they want to have any chance in keeping up with AMD and Apple.
AMD has been demolishing Intel the last couple years too, especially with the most recently released Ryzen chips. It's like Intel isn't even trying any more. The company a shadow of its former self.
The lads at the verge killing it with these reviews
Dieder is a top bloke that's for sure.
Dieter and Nilay are awesome together! Their energies work so well for these reviews. The Verge makes some of the best produced videos too.
Even when they don't have touchscreens on the macs. I still see them everywhere covered with fingerprints like they have touch screens. Like what
Lol so true my parents and grandparents laptops look like they are being used as napkins.
Technology moves as fast as I go to the store for beer.
not cpu design. this was probably created 4? years ago. So people are still happy to buy a laptop with 16gb ram for 2000$
@@gergo.r what
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These guys are too good! Been watching these reviews for years now, Nilay is amazing and Dieter is also great and add a new point of view, which is always welcome.
“I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been” - Steve Jobs
That’s a Wayne Gretzky quote
@@NYCybertruck r/wooosh
@@mdyer1130 wow that’s so cool are you a redditor or something
Micahel Scott
Get off TH-cam and go to reddit
Back in 2013, I Bought a MacBook Pro 13 inch because it was clearly better than the air. It had a better display, much better performance and it was clearly the best thing for the future
This time around it is different, the Air is much much closer to the 13” Pro, and is a fantastic offering.
MBA 16gb or MBP base what would you choose?
yea if you are not a power user there is no point getting the pro now
Same here. Still rocking a mid 2014 pro. At the time it was a no brainer vs the Air, but now that I’m probably going to buy an M1, Air seems the way to go
Same here. Back in 2012 when I bought the retina Pro, the display of the Air alone was reason enough not to buy it. I’m gonna switch to an M1 Air now.
Air is the clear winner this round. Due to efficiency of the M1 chip, you get similar performance, similar battery life, and a similar screen for significantly cheaper. Based on what I’ve seen in this video, I don’t even see a need for the 2-port MacBook Pro to even exist. For example, Id much rather have the Air with 16GB of Unified memory for $1200, than pay $1300 for a base 2-port Pro. If you’re dead set on the Pro, it would definitely be worth it to wait for the upgraded AS chip with 4-ports and a higher performance ceiling.
**Apple actually delivers on the M1 chip**
**Sad Linus noises**
Should've kept quiet and tested the damn thing in the first place
@@Broodjemetbeleg Pretty sure he's having Anthony test it. He uses a Mac at home (and is seriously into *nix) so he should give it a fair shake.
Came to the comments to see this
A Nilay Patel is spawned every time an Apple product is up for review.
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I kind of wish I would've waited for the 2020 with the M1, I'm stuck with the I5.
Same boat brother, same boat 😢
Don't you think it's a bit cheap from Apple to release to MacBook Air in the same year?
This makes three product categories Apple is miles and miles ahead in.
1: Smartwatch
2: Tablets
3: Laptops
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@@javenturner1 no 🧢
Laptops is selective
@@niravmandaviya2355 For productivity, its number one for sure. In gaming, not so much
I wouldnt say miles ahead in smart watch or laptop. Id say they are first in smartwatch, but not miles ahead of something like galaxy watch, which had features like variable refresh rate display and sleep tracking years before the apple watch got it, and so the competition is close there. In laptops, apple only competes in a small sliver of the overall market, and even then, its always a question of price when making the comparisons, so once again, even if you want to say they're first, you can't say they are miles ahead of people like Dell and Microsoft.
I go to Marques for the General Overview. I come to Verge for the Detailed Review.
Deiter: “Stakes are high”
My tummy: *growls
Damn...makes me really regret getting my updated keyboard Intel Air in-between it's release and when the Apple Silicon was announced...
I wanna see this kind of stuff on the ARM based surface pro's.
They need to update the aging Surface Pro laptops to look like the Surface X and they and Apple really lost their minds with the prices on their ARM based laptops. I have the 12.9 inch iPad Pro and the 2017 Surface Pro and have no reason to upgrade either for a while so I'm hoping by the time I decide to do so that the very least Surface Pro laptops and the Surface keyboard get refreshed with a bigger track pad and smaller bezels. I'm hoping that Apple eventually gets Mac OS on iPad Pro since they did so well with their that Mac using their own processors.
@@ZeitGeist_TV Theyve alreay done that with the surface laptop go
@@Htrdtte44tyy That has nothing to do with my comment, and with images of the upcoming Surface Pro 8 and is huge outdated bezels Microsoft needs to step up.
M1 MacBook Pros have already had Windows on ARM installed and no surprises it wipes he floor of even Surface Pro X2 with the new mobile CPU in it. Once Microsoft start to license out Windows on ARM OS that will definitely be a major step forward in app creation and adoption of developers making and optimizing apps.
In the Mac mini review on verges website,it’s written “a truly awful speakers” are you guys serious
Thats what they do 🤣🤣. Autopsy of technology
Yes? All the Mac mini’s have had truly awful speakers, so I wouldn’t expect the new M1 version to be much better.
It's a signature feature of our beloved minis, hads off!
"We have a thousand questions going into this review"
*Proceeds to list 4 questions*
Got it. The next video will be five hours of questions :)
came here after watching mkbhd video and jesus you guys have got some real details no one has mentioned kuddos to that
Mac is really making a difference
@Ricky Lafleur good argument, you convinced me.
@Ricky Lafleur Explain
@@elithompson4167 actually apple laptops are now become mobile phones
@@subh_roy not really Apple said u can boot Windows ARM but it’s up Microsoft to support it so yeah
@@subh_roy also ur phone can’t run any desktop class apps but this Mac can
Does the fan on this laptop go full throttle as well when connected to an external monitor?
Sounds like the problem is Chrome, and not Apple. Direct your frustration at Google. While you're at it, switch to the chromium version of Microsoft Edge, it's Chrome without with Google privacy nightmare.
Just use safari hahaha
just use safari at this point. They've added in 4K video playback and it's a lot more efficient.
@@mrifan8625 I personally do for 99% of the websites I use. Some however don't like to play ball in Safari, TH-cam being one of them (shocker!). Plus Safari is missing a few extensions I use in other browsers. My browser preference rank is Safari > Firefox > Edge (Chromium) > Chrome.
I think so although i heard Chrome improved battery life around 4 months ago. But i dont think its that good on Chrome but idk
Lots of better browsers than chrome out there
What about support for developers?
Did you guys run python, docker, Java or any other developer apps ?
DOCKER NOT READY.
docker not ready yet - the transition kit didn't support emulations, but these do.
Yeah java as well.
Docker just dropped its beta version, they expect it to release in a few weeks.
Python, java and everything else works perfectly.
Vs code runs on Rosetta for now, Microsoft announced that the native version is coming in a few weeks.
Homebrew is also in the works and native version will be out in a week.
NodeJS also works perfectly
@@sarthak.shrivastava Java runs perfectly, people tested it out by running Minecraft and it performs better that all intel based macs.
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Same, but other way around
The Verge has many good reporters. I miss Demi Lee
The answer here is YesNo. Then what?
I LOVE that you guys did this review together. I don’t even want a new laptop let alone a MacBook but this video was fantastic and just fun to watch!
I think it's safe for Apple to include stickers in their Macbook with "Intel not inside"
Quick clarification: the entry model m1 pro has an 8 core gpu as standard, while the entry model m1 air has a 7 core gpu.
Soooo let's say you gotta choose between 16GB M1 MacBook Air, or the 8GB Macbook Pro of the same price....which one to go for? Anyone got any advice?
If you don’t do heavy creative work, go for the Air, if you do, wait for the 16 inch pro and save up for a 16gig version of that.
Thank you@@Marius_ae! Unfortunately budget is capped as my friend needs to make the purchase to replace their old macbook pro which has died ASAP, so waiting and saving more isn't really an option. They have enough for either of the options mentioned above, but we can't work out if it's worth getting a Pro with less ram than an Air for the same price.
@@shadician short answer it isn’t for an average user :) the performance is similar, but because of the cooling fan in the Pro it can handle heavy work loads over longer time without a drop in performance. It Also has a bit better battery, but the airs battery is Also great at this point. The price difference really isn’t worth it for the average user, and 16 gigs of ram vs 8 gigs is a no brainer. I say go for the 16 gig Air :)
What are you doing with the computer? That’s the question. As they explain in the video, the MacBook Pro can be pushed harder because it has a fan, but the two models are basically just as powerful. When it comes to RAM, it’s not as clear cut. I can tell you the MacBook Pro 8GB model does not feel like an 8GB laptop. It’s hard to believe until you use it, but it can easily handle 4K footage in FCPX without breaking a sweat. You will hit a wall with the RAM if you’re really pushing the machine though.
7:31 Macbook so fast, keyboard got RGB
What heck was that? Troll editing?
that's chromatic aberration
Davinci out of controll
I like this video a lot, but I was seriously astounded by the editing on those smooth transitions of you both talking about 3/4 into the video! I love the way that there was little to no pauses in between of you both talking and giving your views on the respective machines that you independently reviewing. It's a very good video and the editing is top notch!
Solution: don’t use chrome haha
for now yeah. until google fixed it.
@@amykan9215 which means never.
@@amykan9215 HAHAHAHA Google fixing Chrome's gluttony. THAT's funny.
Unless you happen to rely on electron apps like Slack, Teams, VS Code... etc for work
@@PotentChr0nic VS Code is highly optimised. It is one of the most optimised electron-based apps.
I just got mine and uploaded my unboxing. I'm very excited to try it and see if ANDROID STUDIO works well and other apps ! So many tests to do😝
Could you upload a video on Android Studio's performance on these machines? Looking to buy one
Android Studio never works well. ;)
I'm still waiting for the glorious return of the usb port
Reviews by The Verge are just Incredible . To the point , no nonsense and without any idiotic thumbnails. Keep up the good work - Verge team!!
Thank god for that desk, couldn’t have done the review without it
Great duet you guys! Such a quality review with some personality
7:31 imagine if apple gives RGB backlighting just for the sake of it
Apple is hesitant to add touch screen to Macs because it'll eat into their iPad pro lineup
Touchscreen on a laptop is really stupid, fact
jack of all trades is a master of none
@@jackiez3150 yeah no one wants to deal with fingerprints on their laptop touchscreen. If you want a touchscreen laptop get an iPad!
Yeah, why would you need a touch screen on a laptop? I don't get it. There's already a really nice trackpad. And if you still want to touch the screen, get an iPad.
If you had an iPad, you wouldn't give a damn for touch laptop.
-user.
Also they are selling ipad pros as big and powerful as laptops but nobody ditched macbook.
Man I REALLY miss Dieter in the new videos 😢 he was honestly one of my all time favorite reviewers
I just got mine, this is finally a laptop that you can use on your lap. No heating whatsoever and the battery life is just insane. How!!
Can’t wait to get mine. I’m updating from a Macbook 2012
same here
Great review. Love the team up. Can’t wait to see how intense video editing holds up on the inevitable 16” MBP M1.
Haven't yet found a reviewer who talks about if 8 gigs of RAM on these M1 systems is fine?
agreed!
Still waiting for that before I pull the trigger
it depends on your tasks. ram on m1 is faster so for most everyday tasks 8gigs should be enough.
Go watch max tech video on m1 macbook air 8gb and 16gb ram stress test. The m1 8gb was almost always on par with the 16gb variant
Are there any changes to the touch bar from the previous generations? I personally really like the touch bar now that I know how to customize it and use it for myself
Me too, I love the touch bar!
Thank you for confirming that the fan and touchbar is the main difference. I've been wondering since they announced this thing.
Takeaway: wait till there is a touchscreen and a better cam.
I don't think they'll do a touchscreen, they're worried for the ipad
@R D one day you will be shamed by your word today. There are plenty of windows laptop with touch screen.
This is probably the closest thing to a perfect laptop any company has ever made
I'd still wait a generation or two to buy one of these, just to let everything mature, but yes, this is insanely promising
@@GrymShip M1 isn't mature but Apple have been messing around with ARM for quite some time now. I'm pretty sure it's a good investment already. Even though it'll obviously rapidly improve over the next generations.
This is probably the most significant product launch since Steve Jobs passing.
@Ricky Lafleur Okay name something bigger.. Pencil?
@@landocal0 iphone x
Really enjoyed this review. Easy. Simple. Funny. Geeky but not too geeky. Would love to continue seeing these co-lead reviews
I don’t mind the Touch Bar…..
I want a buddy cop show featuring Nilay and Dieter. Make it happen.
hold on, let me put on my mask for the review.
i got my macbook pro with intel i5 in it with an decent discount on it. what do you guys think. keep it or return it in exchange for m1 macbook pro
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just started learning how to code. I was wondering if the new macbook air is good enough to run all the programs and whatnot
Learn on a windows machine so you know the pain of setting up environment and then when you get a job ask them to provide a Mac. That way you develop your problem solving skills and set up familiarity
My M1 comes tomorrow!!! I’m so exited
I'm pretty happy with how apple is behaving currently, I'm an apple "hater" if you can say so, but lately they are really doing a great job and Qualcomm, intel, amd etc can FINALLY get some decent competition. Now that Nvidia bought ARM I really want to see some decent arm processor to match/beat the M1
apple smokes qualcomm. whAT U SAYING BRO
@@rohankauts2339 most recent gen was actually almost debatable i thought, but yeah generally apple ARM chips demolish qualcomm, especially in practical use. intel gave up on the competition last year, until they get out a new line and 7nm they just dont have a hope
@@rohankauts2339 Only in synthetic benchmarks, which doesn't accurately depict proper performance, especially between two different architectures. Geekbench specifically has been caught changing test scores to favor iOS over Android, and Windows/Mac over LInux.
In real world use, like basic photo editing or video editing, Qualcom chips, heck even exynos models, generally outperform apple's Bionic.
@@rohankauts2339 I have never said otherwise lol
I’m from the U.K. and I’m a big fan of ARM, they should have never been allowed to be sold to an overseas country.....not sure if ARM’s acquisition by Nvidia will be a good thing, time will tell. ARM tech really has the ability to make waves in the desktop computing world. As can be witnessed by Apples switch to ARM tech, and we are also now seeing AMR based laptops too. By the way Qualcomm chips are also ARM based.
Should I get the Air or Pro if I do things like type essays, watch Netflix, do zoom calls, and play games?
Definitely air
Depends on how graphically intensive your games are
personally, I'm a fan of the Pro. Sturdier chassis and beefier specs.
Safari is great on a mac, why tf would anyone use chrome
for web development the chrome developer tools are top of the line, safari dev tools are better then in the past but trust me nobody uses them unless you’re troubleshooting something on an iPhone.
@@benjonyc i’m using safari tho
Smesh Many sites are built for Chrome. Especially business portals, etc.
Hi, may I know what is the software you use to bypass when you are using Adobe photoshop to make the current version works on the new m1 chips processor?
So I don't get it, does M1 has touch bar or it doesnt? On apple store images it shows like it has it, but here where you show how you use it, it doesnt.... I was watching x2 speed, maybe I missed smthing..
What’s so bad about the Touch Bar I love it lol
I switched from Chrome to Firefox. No regrets, it's mad comparing the two and actually seeing first hand just how bad Chrome is
Firefox’s dedication to privacy is on par with Apple’s. And the team is smaller, so it feels more intimate when you receive emails from Mozilla. Plus, their Internet safety newsletters = THE BEST.
i cant run videos in 4k in chrome but i can in firefox
But does it sync across devices? That’s what does it for me with chrome, I can open a tab on my phone and continue on my Mac.
At 6:05 he literally said "look if you are a professional who needs to do a hardcore things through your laptop I'm not promise you that this is a better than intel with a separate, serious GPU. but if you are looking at getting a basic laptop like the MacBook air, apple did it" he forgot to say that this basic laptop cost $1,650.00 which can buy you a hardcore specs intel laptop, not a basic laptop like apple's.
They did great job promoting this laptop, if apple made an ad it won't be better that this one.
It is more that professionals shouldn't trust new software it isn't tested and it can go very wrong as well as IO limitations. As far as performance these perform as well as a MBP16 and even in xCode the same as a 3950X hackintosh. Source: dave2d
Is there really no replacement for chrome yet? I remember the day I surprised by chrome but it was really long ago. I thought FireFox would catching chrome at least.
Incredibly helpful and done so slickly. Huge thanks!
Anyone can tell me the location name at 2:59 and 11:56 i am sure this is same location. So anyone know location Name/City/State ? Please