Do We Need The Cross For Salvation? A Debate with Adnan Rashid & Dr. James White
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- On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, Sovereign Nations held a Christian and Islamic debate on the thesis “Do We Need the Cross for Salvation?” The debate was purposed by Sovereign Nations in the interests of promoting polemic, scholastic and respectful dialogue between Christians and Muslims.
Upholding the affirmative Christian position was scholar and apologist Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries while the Muslim position was presented by scholar Ustadh Adnan Rashid. The debate was moderated by Sovereign Nations’ Founder, Michael O’Fallon.
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As a Christian growing up, there were a lot of questions I had, unanswered questions that were never fully answered by pastors, my parents, friends in Church, whoever. Years later I reverted to Islam, Alhumdulilah for guidance from Allah (swt), God Almighty ( All glory be to Him). But I always found it difficult to understand how as a Christian our pastor would say 'the Jews are still Gods people'. And the Jews don't believe in Jesus (p) or his message (the Gospel). They believe that he's dead and burning in hell to this day, and are still waiting for the 'real messiah' to come to them. So how are they 'still Gods people'? Then another thing, if you have to believe in the crucifiction, the blood shed, trinity; what about the people that were alive before Jesus (p) was born? How did they get to heaven? And so on. Islam gave me all the answers to these questions.
Alhumdulilah for guidance and Islam.
Buck that is logic, how Christians believe Jews are god’s people while they reject Jesus???
Mashallah, may Almighty Allah grant you the highest level of paradise.
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watch this, Allah has warned those people in Quran
Muslim says :
"Its like saying i cant forgive you until i kill myself"
"not only that, but you need to believe I killed myself (neuzubillah), otherwise hell... it's so illogical.
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"Or it's like u asking for someone for forgiveness and they say I'll only forgive u if u torture and kill my son who is myself"
But God says:
1 Cor. 1:18-25
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
If you look at The Jews as yourself or me, it shows that God love never fade.. Even with all the sins we've committed, God will always love us..
Both men displayed civility and class, kudos to both.
True. But the Muslim man harbors a gross misunderstanding of the entirety of the Bible. Context is not his thing. Half-wittedly citing passages without properly interpreting them according to its exegesis.
@@prayingpatriot8018 he states the verses explicitly. Don't think he would have been invited to this platform otherwise.
@J MShabir Ally is a noble dude. One day he will convert to Biblical Christianity after several defeats in public debates with prominent Christian apologists.
@J MYou need to put your foot where your mouth is. Everybody knows that Muslims cannot defend Islam in debates. Shabir Ally knows this. He's just scared shitless because of the "apostate law" of Islam. Why do you think Pakistan is censoring TH-cam channels?--->FEAR. They *fear* the truth, bro. Only in Christ there is Freedom. Under mohammad there is only fear, oppression and death.
looks like you are the only one who wet his pants out of fear. you are over analyzing too much: sign of stress you can't handle.
Dear Dr. White as previously Christian humbly I say that I never understood this Son of God for JESUS. God almighty was and is and will be for ever. If ever was this Bible truly authentic. It is full of differences between the 4 bibles . Alhamdou Lil Laha that I have entered Islam and will pray only to Allah no other.
You were never a Christian.
Welcome to the family of Muslims and welcome to the Ummah(nation) of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)... Welcome to the Truth.
@@peaceout6667 why did you have to say go die ..A Muslims conduct is not like this. May Allah keep us steadfast.
marietta kaada Do you know who is allah?
@@coffeeloverr.a1546 christians conduct are always like that unfortunately for them. They dont even follow the character of their messenger (Jesus).
17:81) And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.”
صدق الله العظيم
You guys need to learn more about why Jesus chose to do this for you and me....again Allah is قدوس و عادل Holly and Just equally. If he just says ok I forgive you, how would the offense be punished for God's Justice to be satisfied? And if he just put us all in hell, how then we can say he is merciful and loving?!?
The price of our sin had to be paid or God would be breaking His own rules-God forbid. And therefore, the solution for proven Himself Love and just is for Himself to take the punishment.and it had to be Himself so you and I not think he is not fair to someone else. Also, because the size of the offense against God is limitless there for the price should also be limitless and since there is no limitless but God , He decided to show His love to us and save us this way.
I hope this helps.
@@ashtube12 you are confused my friend
@@ashtube12 God dying FOR us is INJUSTICE. He is punishing Himself for OUR sins because it can be no other way? lol... We're in trouble.. not Him. Lol it's like the "penalty of sin must be fulfilled" idea is like some other powerful thing that God is bound by. He ordains certain actions as sins.. and they cannot be erased but through sacrifice? lol... Just realize that you have an emotional attachment to this idea because it sounds like, "Awwwww He did that for me??? How sweetttttt". So you have a hard time understanding that it's not that crazy. He just forgives our sins when we ask for forgiveness or sometimes even when we haven't. It's that simple. Because He is the one who called them "sins" in the FIRST place. It's not like sins are some other entity or something that he is below and needs to satisfy the sins' [god]. LOL Just realize what I'm saying. You need to step out of this mode of thinking that He had to die for justice to be served or else it wouldn't be served... and all that. It's all BS honestly. If He had to die on the cross, He wouldn't be setting the "rules" up in the first place! I shouldn't even be saying that... that's how stupid this is. Sins are just things He says not to do. You do it, he possibly forgives or doesn't forgive. Simple. So that's why this whole dying on the cross thing is just so stupid. It's so crazy how people actually started believing that idea. Somewhere along the way, people were ACTUALLY tricked into worshiping a man (a great Messenger of God) and that he died on the cross for our sins. It should be very obvious that that's not what God does. But people get really engrossed into the idea that they don't even realize how over-the-top it is. I hope you realize ashtube12.
Dear dad I love how ur name is Dear dad 🤣🤣🤣. Every time someone tags u, they call u this. Btw those verses u quoted are very powerful against the Christians they cannot justify it another way. 🙏🙏☝️
Love this type of debates and engagement. No hostility, no disrespect, no mockery, just a respectful engagement between two individuals demonstrating their knowledge for the betterment. I hope the two communities come together and have more respectful dialogues and just strengthen our bonds. Peace to all.
Not a Muslim but i see you on speakers corner all the time Adnan good on you this is pretty high level debate!
@Khalid Ali Could you explain succinctly for me your understanding of the Trinity?
u must have a idee of islam , or they will fool u , islam is the religion of lies
Khalid Ali can you tell me ,who is Abraham ?
@trip sticks Please elaborate on what he denies that you claim Jesus PBUH claimed.
Muslim: who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: is Jesus son of mary?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: who created mary?
Christian: God
Muslim: who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: Jesus is the begotten son?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: who is his father?
Christian: God
Muslim: who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: Is Jesus is servant of God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Jesus died on the cross?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: who resurrected him?
Christian: God
Muslim: is Jesus a messenger?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: who sent him?
Christian: God
Muslim: who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: did Jesus worship while on earth?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: whom did he worship?
Christian: God
Muslim: who is God?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: did God have beginning?
Christian: no
Muslim: than who was born 25/Dec?
Christian: Jesus
Muslim: is Jesus God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: where's God?
Christian: In heaven
Muslim: how many Gods are than in heaven?
Christian: only one God
Muslim: where's Jesus?
Christian: He is seated on right hand of his father.
Muslim: then how many are they in heaven?
Christian: only one God
Muslim: then how many seats?
Christian: one
Muslim: where's Jesus?
Christian: seated next to God
Muslim: how are they seated on one chair?
Christian: ......
God Bless to both Adnan Rashid and Dr. James White.
*#ONEMESSAGEFOUNDATION*
*TELL YOUR PEOPLE TO DEBATE HIM*
I have watched all of Mr. Rashid's debates with Dr. White over the years. During this time you can see Mr. Adnan Rashid has grown greatly in his debating abilities since his earlier London Debates. They are all enjoyable and educational and I appreciate them. Thank-you.
In my experience he’s never lost to a Christian is impossible to lose
Muslim here, great debate learned new stuff. Much respect.
Masha Allah brother Adnan. You never cease to surprise me with your knowledge
knowledge or lies ? ^^
M zuzu
0 lies. He pointed out inconsistencies and gave historical points. James kept preaching about the *main* points, and how crucifixion is clear in *this* verse and *that* statement. Very incoherent and useless to prove the Bible using the NT when the OT is against a dying messiah, resurrection and original sin...
@@halalguts6331 @420 blaze it I found it quite interesting as White pointed out, if you really belive that Paul believed that a Faith that has no evidence of existence saves, you have clearly never read what Paul thought about the subject. Faith is never JUST a mouth proclamation. And James 2 is pointing exactly to that point.
I respect Adnan but he has a sore deficiency in his understanding of the New Testament. Paul’s writings specifically.
Good debate! Perfect model for future débats with no audience cheering. It Allowed both to clearly make their point without being interrupted or feeling pressured by the crowd.
I'm glad to see the attempt made to bring both faiths together in conversation. This is a wonderful world shared by many. We must always talk in order to peacefully live on this planet together. We may not agree but we can at least come together without hateful hearts.
tell that to media
Beautiful comment God bless you my sister in humanity.
Very important yes.
The concept of creating a biggie man will never stop. As people will try to live in peace although having different beliefs, others will try to divide to gain power or wealth. Look at 911 that was created to do all the invasions and create hate.
Best part of the entire debate is @1:20:16 when Adnan said, “ maybe I’m to imposing”, and the moderator says, “no, not at all”.
Really high quality debate from Sovereign, as always! Thank you.
And thank you to Adnan and James. I'm sure I will return to this debate to study it many times.
SamOwenI More comments like this! God bless you for being a decent human being!
If a Muslim still refuses the Cross Scripturally and Historically their is something majorly wrong intellectually.
@@kieran296 false you need to prove that the Bible is the Word of God without any interpolations fabrications...if not then everything can be doubted
SamOwenI ask God to show u truth.
@@churchball4504 wow, what books have you read about Mohamed? Jesus prayed to God on his knees and forehead to the ground begging not to be crucified. Your ignorant comment really shows your heart
Paul and James can be reconciled simply by realizing that if you know the truth of what God has done good works will be evidence of your faith.
James speaks of works providing proof of salvation for MEN.
This is exactly what Adnan does not understand. Saving faith will ALWAYS produce repentance and good works. There is no real faith if the works are bad. And no works can be a merit for salvation without faith.
@@LOT116 Where does it say that in the bible?
@@GrumpX the Epistle of James chapter 2
@LOT116 The irony of those who try to use your based argument of there's no true faith without deeds anyway, fail to acknowledge what deeds are specifically being referenced. The Laws of the Torah are the deeds referenced, and those who make your same argument don't adhere to the Torah as did Jesus himself,James and all the Disciples.
That was a fantastic debate. It is very refreshing to see men show each other the upmost respect while in complete disagreement with the other's worldview.
Dr. White is a class act, a very respectful, informed, and inspiring man. I thank God for his ministry.
His closing statement brought me to tears. It was just a great reminder that our faith in Christ is a gift, one that we are completely unworthy of, and one that glorfies God in the highest manner.
Jane Doe
*Dear christians* , *could you take a moment to listen to the words of Allah* عز وجل .
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djole3005 moon god? You are just an ignoarnt in semetic languages.
djole3005
Allah is found in the Arabic translation of the bible.
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djole3005
Arab christians and jews call God (Allah). Allah is the proper name for the God of Abraham.
Again, I encourage you to watch this vid
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djole3005 I see you like to be an ignorant christian. It is abvious that you are still in shock. 😂
Amazing debate! Adnan has posited very strong arguments, and he has represented all Muslims in respectful manner without compromising core Islamic beliefs. I have come across some of the Adnan's debates in different forums, and i have found him very useful islamic scholar who is very clear in his every arguments he puts. Hats off! Bro Adnan
*I AGREE I have seen him @speakers corner*
This debate has restored my faith in Humanity. And makes me more confident in the relationship Muslims and Christians should and would be able to have.
A relationship of disagreeing but understanding and respecting.
Right, me too.
Agree with what you are saying, but can only these respectful debates take place in Western countries? Why don’t these respectful debates like this take place in Muslim majority countries?
@@michellea9857 I don't know about modern day. But historically when Islamic rulers were in place these debates were common place, unlike the history of Western countries. Its like there's been a big switcheroo in the last 100 years or so.
@@michellea9857 because those counties are run by dictators and kings. Those tyrants do not allow for free speech and use any means to divide "their" people. Do some research and see why the common folk in those countries do not trust British or Americans. Those very dictators that chop up anyone they dislike are our best allies in the region and are only in power because we prop them up. I don't know if you were trying to hint at Muslims being barbaric or if you were genuinely curious.
Nayim Kay do you have a reference for that by any chance from a non-religious source please?
Alhumdulillah im happy to be a convert to islam i converted when i was 23 or 24 now I'm 33 lol hahaha go figure i aint going back iA may Allah keeeps me and all people steadfast chow
ALHAMDULILLAH... we may continuously make sins but always repent to Allah. He is the most forgiving and merciful
I feel sorry and pray for you
Asalamualaykum sister you subscribe and watch manhaj ul-haqq. Channel full of shorts effective videos that are very beneficial....by man upon the Quran and Sunnah
I AM U need serious help brother
Congratulations sister. You are one of the luckiest people in the world
I feel Adnan taught me more about Christianity than James, I didnt understand too much on Dr. James - a bit jumpy avoiding the questions and talking in riddles towards the end of the debate, its too bad I came here to see James, all I understood is James saying a sacrifice is needed by God because thats gods nature, does he not know God is All Merciful, The Most Merciful, All Understanding and All Knowledgeable
@abubakar abdulahi Explain how God exists in the first place? That's an impossible concept to understand and yet you believe that so who are you to then say that the trinity doesn't make sense?
@@AK-wc9rl then i should believe monkey is my god?
@@dewaabiyyu761 No. I am asking you to explain to me how this all powerful being came to exist? Does that make sense to you? I believe in God but I am not arrogant enough to claim that I know how God always existed. Do you know? ANd if you don't know, then who are you to question the trinity?
@@AK-wc9rl there is no evidence to disprove the exitsince or god nor is there any evidence to PROVE the existince of god,
all of this { science} comes from human knowlegde
we didnt even discover much depth in our ow EARTH that we live in.
so honestly how can we go out in space and try to prove something even exists out there?? like anything???
use your common sense and stop trying to act smart
and the trinity doesnt make sense at all
thast why i didnt convert to chrisitdanty
@@AK-wc9rl I mean you gotta think about it logically, if god exists and he is the most powerful, the source of all creations and concepts then he needs to be uncaused. He has to have been there always from the beginning by necessity.
Really appreciated this debate. Both were acting civilized and engaged with a lot of respect, this alone made it worth watching.
I know i love the peaceful disagreement
WOW, thats a great respectful debate. Props for both of them
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ, he is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Prince of Prince, the light of the world, my shepherd, the lamb of God, Jehovah shalom, my Immanuel
The disrespectful behavior of christians in the comment section shows the didn't even listen to Adnan. Take a step back listen to him just like I listened to James .
What James said was knowledgeable but didn't even answer the real qc. Adnan didn't beat around the bush clear cut answered.
blood sacrifice and sin following you around all your life for the sin you didn't commit or know of . Leave me out .
What will you go with
Just forgiveness by god if you just pray, repent or blood sacrifice or any kind of sacrifice. thats disgusting . injustfull murder of Jesus is salvation smh.
there is no one Christian comment negative , all i see is Muslim agree with Adam and disrespect James
You need a new brain #rip
@Abdullah Talha Furkan Öztürk ignorance is the holy water of fools.
U suk..
The GOD Who Created Heaven and Earth Gave his Only Son Our LORD JESUS CHRIST Who willingly gave himself up and suffered for the sins of mankind, to Justify those who follow him.
Also, you complain about people being disrespectful, as if you were so respectful when you made that comment.
Man, first cast out the beam in your own eye before you try to pick the speck out of other people's eyes.
Thank you for having good audio.
I wish Ahmed deedat is still alive today Mr. White style is very good In bluffing. Mr. Deedat. Is also good in handling people Like Mr. white
ur deedat is a lier and bluffing too so shut up and read ahmad deedat books and read the lies he did
M zuzu okay are you happy 😹😹😻
People like you who are bitter in life are so funny. Lol
Deedat tells lies like all muslims do when faced with the damning of Islam. Deedat became dumb before his death after he said that if the Christian God is God, he should become dumb. So, he got what he pronounced against the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).
@jeremiah jayaseelan just easy to see when someone uses jokes and distractions. Theatricality and deception. Saying alot, but when you actually pay attention, he's saying NOTHING
1:57:44-Wrong statement !
“Sahih Al-Bukhari” is not part of Quran. “Sahih Al-Bukhari” is a book of hadith...
He didn't say it was
Listen CAREFULLY..
He never said that please learn basics of English or Of Languages in general!!
Yeah too be honest, he didn't say that. He's listing the islamic books He's read
You're not fake Muslim
Great interfaith debate! I was very happy to see less heat and more light on both sides. Thank you for putting forward this debate, was really useful. God bless you all for this effort :)
I wish to see my brother shamsi on this good quality of debate he deserves it also brother Adnan good job well done .. 🇹🇳🇩🇿🇹🇳🇩🇿🇹🇳🇩🇿🇹🇳🇩🇿🇹🇳🇩🇿🇹🇳🇩🇿
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Shamsi would of ended up giving dawah to Mr white. He calls to the foundation. Very good man.
A very good respectful way of engaging in discussion..both did well
Gifted knowledge and wisdom Dr. White.. I pray to God to give me that kind of gift too in JESUS name...
Why not the holy spirit?
@sailor soul “In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.”- Jesus. John 16:23. This is why.
@@yacine9809 “In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.”- Jesus. John 16:23. This is why.
2:19:00 This sums the whole debate for me
Actually that's the beauty of God
He left his begotten on the cross so that humankind be saved.
That's show the Love of God....
Arpith Nathan Thomas God’s love is contingent upon the murder of His innocent son? What kind of God is this?!
1-God doesn’t have a son
2-God doesn’t need to kill innocent people to forgive, He can forgive without this stupid lie.
@@Moath1277 ofcourse God can can Forgive
But what about the root cause the sin...? can you enter in the presence of Allah with wearing the Cloth of sin Ofcourse not or should I say can you enter a wedding with torn dress NO...
God gave his son to die for the sins of the humankind...
Sin is the root cause and Jesus died to end it....
@@Moath1277
Now God doesn't have a son
Ok brother then let's imagine a scenario in which there is no one but only one God like the Quran says but if I see Quran there are numerous places where Allah refers himself as WE for example the most famous verse of Quran in the midst of Christians 😉 Surah 10:94 in that verse Allah refers himself as WE who is this we then if Allah is one
Arpith Nathan Thomas it’s just majesty word😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Another great debate between these two very respectful and learned scholars. Both are very sincere and pray for each other's salvation. The world has so much to learn from such good teachers. Please continue such friendly discussions for World Peace.
Paul & James (on salvation) "faith is the cause works are the effect"
Dr James is a great guy and I am a Muslim I haven't seen him disrespect Islam infact he has defended Islam in many instances enough respects for Dr James
James preachers more than answers question
overall make no sense he said action doesnt and deeds doesnt matter but belive matter
in islam ur deeds and action matter
Imagine only believing in God but then doing whatever you want to even if it goes against Gods laws. Very contradictory. Hence deeds and actions matter.
@@Neon790 we do good deeds not to go to heaven but because we are going to heaven...if you don't know if you are going to heaven or not what's the point of doing good deeds..? they will not take u to heaven...so you need to be sure of your salvation 1st then good deeds follow... dont get me wrong good deeds are important but they won't get you to heaven...the bible teaches that love fulfils the law..so if you believe in God and you are saved through Jesus you will do good works as a result of that..
I am a Christian. Of course our deed matters, yes.
But the Salvation it's not accomplished because of our deeds, it's because of the classification of Jesus.
Is foolish the person who thinks can go before God and say : I'm saved because of my own Good deeds.
Dr. James White is a very peaceful debater... unlike David Wood.
Was david wood a DEBATOR?
Nah he's a hypocrite
David Wood is right. It’s boil y blood when I hear from ignorant Allah contradicts Jesus Christ the son of God.
👉Dr David Wood ✊❤️
And very respectful
David Wood is a crossdresser extremist
David Wood is peaceful in debate. His videos use parody and that is what rubs muslims the wrong way
if it's a chess play, Bro. Adnan is up ahead a bunch of moves against his opponent. y'all know what is going to happen eventually 😇
Both Christians and Mohammedans are great on offense, ... and terrible at defense.
faw faw check mate!
@@freecitizen2760 *IT'S ISLAM♂️ (PEACE THROUGH SUBMISSION)*
1:07 *DON'T MISS REPRESENT OUR RELIGION*
*WATCH **#ONEMESSAGEFOUNDATION*
proud of you Adnan for your knowledge about the religion and historical facts, you are just strengthening our faith more and more as well as our knowledge.
Adnan cites Psalm 91 as a messianic Psalm. It opens with the words; 1 "Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty." This is a promise which is general to "whoever" does this. But no one in David's time or even today would conclude that this was a promise that they would never die physically.
This is a problem I'm sorry to say with Muslim apologists. Why not say Psalm 110 is a messianic Psalm which Jesus explicitly stated it was in the gospel?
There are clear and explicit prophecies of the Messiah being cut off in Daniel 9, and the Servant of the Lord in Isaiah 53.
12 "Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because *he poured out his soul to death*
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors."
And in the gospel of Luke, Jesus explicitly identified himself as the suffering servant of Isaiah 53; Luke 22:36 “Now, however,” He (Jesus) told them, “the one with a purse should take it, and likewise a bag; and the one without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one. 37 *For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment.”*
In short what is plain and explicit is ignored, and a contrary argument made from some other text which they think supports their Quranic views.
Masha Allah... Adnan Rashid really brilliant explaining everything. May Allah bless him. Good debate.
Deuteronomy Chapter 24
16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin. {S}
DR GREENTHUMB that was a Old Testament way of salvation or it’s talking about actually dying not losing your salvation
An incredibly dumb religion teaches God planned a _3 day_ sacrifice of some son.
The utter devolution of religion, 3 days of pain for God! Now religion is saved forever!
God forgive us,
God You are One, there is no other Savior but You. Praise is Yours alone!
@@frankie9899 a christian needs to believe in the old and new testament.
Well done adnan
Good debate. Respect for both Scholars. My vote is for brother Adnan.
Just one quick observation. If we are talking about the law in combination with Abraham it is not the mosaic law. It was not in place yet. Yet Abraham was called justified (even before circumcision(!), because He believed in the promise of the One who would shed His blood for mankind. Blood is necessary. Galatians deals with this extensively. When talking about the law we need to first establish which one so there is no confusion.
Whos words in Galatian??is that jesus words or paul words???
Edwin.
Abel and Cain sacrificed, so the sacrificial system existed.
Noah knew clean and unclean animals.
Part of torah were known right after Adam.
The romans crucified many.
What makes Jesus crucifixion different.?
Good question. Jesus’ specific crucifiction was predicted about 570 years before it happened; Jesus was totally inocent yet willingly accepted crucifiction; Jesus rose from the dead 3 days later. Just to name a few.
@@camthejock Thats a lie. Jesus didnt want to be punished. In your bible He prayed in the garden for God to take away the crucifixion from him. Meaning God ignored his prayers in your bible and our Quran God saved him. Allah protects all of his prophets from such heinous acts
@@neroknight1234
Usual attacks on Christianity by those who did not understand Christianity at all. Obviously the man Jesus does not want to die but asks that the will of the father be done . The greatest sacrifice in the history of humanity rewarded with your words devoid of respect and knowledge.
@@maulinux1 Youre being emotional and not logical. Why does God in your religion even prayed in the first place. The God of Abraham (pbuh) said he is one being. So i dont know how christians misrepresent that by saying Jesus (pbuh) is god. Thats why prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, to finally clear the misconception. Just imagine how if no prophet came to clear that misconception there wouod be no followers of monethist. Christians think they are but is not they are trinitarian. Christians are like jews. I mean imthis in the sense if how Jesus(pbuh) was a prophet when he came and jews reject him, thats how Christians Rejected Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). I mean look at the majority of pictures he is a white man. They even got something that obvious wrong. No one is insulting Christianity btw, this is a serious matter. The truth. So it might sound harsh sometimes to explaine
@@neroknight1234
This is your truth. It's not my truth. You don't know my truth at all and your attacks are totally wrong. Talk about the beauty of your faith, instead of attacking the faith of others.
My faith invites us to love God with all our heart at every moment and to transmit love for God to every human being. This is not only logical but it is the duty of every human being. My faith invites us to love God with all our heart at every moment and to transmit love for God to every human being. This is not only logical but it is the duty of every human being. You believe in Muhammad. Your business. I only indicate the truth: Jesus is God and last prophet. It is not for me to judge your faith but only to indicate the truth. May God guide you to the truth.
Both sides are respectful, knowledgeable individuals. Much respect for objectivity.
no dark force, no evil ideology, no lies, not even death, no nonsense can shake the faith that we have in jesus christ our lord.
If Jesus is god so If god died on the cross then who is running this world😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ideology of Christianity was invented by Paul, who was basically a high way robber who killed people for stealing their property then out of the blue he got a vision and then Christianity Ideology began . Now tell me what is the proof that his inner guilt of sin and emotion has no role to take part in forming Christianity as we know today, it is he who claimed son of God died for salvation and he also claimed Jesus would return in his life time which obviously is false. Better you open your eyes before it's too late , you actually believes in Paul more than prophets all of them like Noah, Abraham,Adam, Daniel,Issac,David, Solomon,Moses,Aron,etc. These prophet never told Jews about God had a son and Jesus said "Father is greater than I", " I can my own self do nothing" .
This is not Christianity this is actually Paulinity i.e. religion of Paul not of prophets nor of Jesus.
@@AsifAhmedShaikh uhh and your book plagiarized the Bible, and that's coming from atheist scholars, not me.
If you want to remain illogical than so be it
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dude your entire theology plagiarized from roman paganism
2:18:57 It has to be a perfect sacrifice...one that is infinite...because eternity is infinite.
(Heb 7:24,25) But because Jesus lives forever, He has a permanent priesthood. Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.…
It’s funny.... whenever Dr. White cannot answer a question, he answers the question with a question and giggles it off. Truth is clear from falsehood!!! Allahu Akbar! 😊
Where at? Be specific
@@scotthix2926 1:31:00 to 1:35:00
@@nadjagallardo5428we gonna talk about how adnad kept taking John outta context multiple times. Taqiyya demons have no place on Gods kingdom.
Nice to see brother Adan Rashid on the platform.
I'm Christian but would be first to tell you the way Adan presents himself - he definitely is a seeker of truth. I believe James White was very weak in this debate since a lot of the questions Adan asked him were completely misunderstood or went right over his head.
Alex Gascon: Well said in your comments and i entirely agree with you .
Best wishes with respect from Canada.
Alex Gascon I'm a Christian as well. I think Adnan cannot comprehend what Paul and James teaching. In Paul's teaching, we are JUSTIFIED through FAITH in CHRIST in the eyes of the Father. In James teaching, we are JUSTIFIED by our GOOD WORKS in the eyes of our fellow human being. Adnan kept insisting that he agreed with James, but not Paul. Dr. White could have explained it better and further to distinguished the two.
+ abukid
abukid
one thing to remember also, we muslims actually DO or I atleast agree with you on many of the principles, so for instance when jesus peace be upon him speaks about that which defiles you, i do agree with the texts, but i dont see the exaggeration that it somehow also made pigs lawful to eat for instance!
the same with jesus peace be upon him being a savior! in that sense that he will kill ad dajjal sure, he will liberate people from an incredibly oppressive man!
but i do not recognize the excessive sayings about him being the ultimate savior! etc
also i do agree with not trinity, but jesus peace be upon him backed up by the holy ghost,
or that jesus peace be upon him, when you say he was the way, the truth, the life! this is very similar to the sayings of mohammed saw, that he is the best example, ie mohammed saw, and he is the messenger bringing truth from Allah,
and also that mohammed saw said he will leave us with sunnah and Quran!
i find very often that we agree, but not to the same degree!
the principals are much easier to agree on than the translations that has been made, and you cannot justify it in the scriptures, it is from priests! same way we can see in islam happening, or judaism! where rabbis or imams are saying their own things that cannot be backed up by Quran and sunnah! or torah
now there are alot of deviations in islam unfortunately!
but to sum it up, we believe in your scriptures and you do not believe in ours!
Christian Pettersen LEARN OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY.
At the end, the LORD and SAVIOR of MANKIND JESUS CHRIST will save the remnant JEWS for He is a JEW. He will seat on King David's throne and reign for 1000 years while satan and his followers are imprisoned. On His 2nd coming, the Old Testament prophets wrote that He will fight nations who are populated by Muslims. So, we know the dajjal, Mahdi and satan will be imprisoned. If you want to know the equivalent of dajjal, Mahdi and satan. Just read this prophetic verse:
REVELATION 16:13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the DRAGON, out of the mouth of the BEAST and out of the mouth of the FALSE PROPHET. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of GOD ALMIGHTY.
WHO ARE THE PLAYERS IN THE ABOVE VERSE REV 16:13-14, THE GREAT BATTLE:
1. DRAGON = SHAYTAN
2. BEAST = DAJJAL
3. FALSE PROPHET = MAHDI
4. GOD ALMIGHTY = the LORD and SAVIOR of MANKIND JESUS CHRIST
CHRISTIANS ALREADY KNOW THE END...
Those who are saying so and so won and the other lost, are missing the point of a debate. Debates are not supposed to be adversarial but rather they are supposed to be inquisitorial. Debates are about seeks wisdom and knowledge, not about defeating the other.
also to seek the truth of what jesus and his teaching really are..not just debate..
Good point
The problem is a judge is not the Almighty and nobody can question the almighty if he chooses to forgive after sincere repentance ... the problem with u ppl is that u apply your understanding and logic of human behavior to god but you don’t use that same logic in trinity... y’oll delusional ... Lol .... God in his infinite mercies is beyond our ways as common men so don’t compare
Sirach 36:1-2 "RSVCE"
Have mercy upon us, O Lord, the God of all, and look upon us,
and cause the fear of thee to fall upon all the nations.
When Paul went to Jerusalem there was a big argument, and the one who stands up was Peter not James so when Peter finished talking then they heard Paul and Barnabas. Catholic Bible. Acts 15:1-2,7-8,10,12-14,19-20
[1]Then some men came down from Judaea and taught the brothers, 'Unless you have yourselves circumcised in the tradition of Moses you cannot be saved.'
[2]This led to disagreement, and after Paul and Barnabas had had a long argument with these men it was decided that Paul and Barnabas and others of the church should go up to Jerusalem and discuss the question with the apostles and elders.
[7]and after a long discussion, Peter stood up and addressed them. 'My brothers,' he said, 'you know perfectly well that in the early days God made his choice among you: the gentiles were to learn the good news from me and so become believers.
[8]And God, who can read everyone's heart, showed his approval of them by giving the Holy Spirit to them just as he had to us.
[10]Why do you put God to the test now by imposing on the disciples the very burden that neither our ancestors nor we ourselves were strong enough to support?
[12]The entire assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul describing all the signs and wonders God had worked through them among the gentiles.
[13]When they had finished it was James who spoke. 'My brothers,' he said, 'listen to me.
[14]Simeon has described how God first arranged to enlist a people for his name out of the gentiles.
[19]'My verdict is, then, that instead of making things more difficult for gentiles who turn to God,
[20]we should send them a letter telling them merely to abstain from anything polluted by idols, from illicit marriages, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. James just give credits to what Peter had spoken.
Great Debate by Adnan and James. Praying for Adnan.
So will i for you. ;)
From Jane Doe 4 days ago///*** Dr. White is a class act, a very respectful, informed, and inspiring man. I thank God for his ministry.
His closing statement brought me to tears. It was just a great reminder that our faith in Christ is a gift, one that we are completely unworthy of, and one that glorfies God in
kasto mouchi you have your faith in christ and i have faith in the Creater of the universe and the one that feeds me God(Allah)
nancy espinosa
*Dear christians* , *could you take a moment to listen to the words of Allah* عز وجل .
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kasto mouchi... we worship the God of jesus as he said in your bible " i am ascending to my god and your god ".... Jesus has a god .
Psalm 91 shocked me because it clearly agrees with the Qur’an in that the Messiah was not crucified, but there was a misunderstanding and similarity, and what shocked me was that Matthew quoted the psalm as evidence of Christ. And James White did not answer the problem .. Well done Adnan, a wonderful level that deserves the trouble of traveling
Read Daniel 9.
Psalm 91 is not a Messianic Psalm. It's a Psalm for the righteous, which is why satan (satan said it, not Matthew, Matthew only recorded it in his Gospel), applied it to Christ. It's simply stating what God does and will do, not what He always chooses to do.
Thank you, #Adnan Rashid for your Great speech.
first of all it boils down to do you believe that God the creator of the heaven Earth and Mankind came to Earth as a human being and died for our sins? Do you believe that and immortal eternal self-sufficient all knowing all powerful all hearing all seeing all knowledgeable wise creator of all that exists. Is unable to forgive without the shedding of blood? God the Creator is unable to forgive without sacrificing himself. That an all-powerful Creator became a weak creation IE a human being. It's ridiculous and I wouldn't accept it no matter what book it came from.
Christian God is a Drama Queen.
Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is God. He died for our sins.
Atem Yak I hope Allah open your eyes bc The True Message of Jesus was to Believe in the one God in heaven
Atem Yak and to repent for sins bc no one can take the sins of someone other as described in ezekiel of the old testament
@@valeriolupo4348 "The true message of Jesus was to believe in the one God in heaven". Let me make it clear to you I do not believe in your Islamic narrative that Nabi Isa was given an Injeel, he was never given an Injeel similar to how Muhammed was given the Quran. Jesus Christ's gospel was written by the disciples. And, he is God who took on flesh.
“being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
Romans 3:24-26
1:23:00 very strong point made by Adnan
Adnan would have a point if God didn't established the mosaic law, which White points out.
For the preaching of the Cross is foolishness to those who perish. But to us who are saved it is the power of God which leads to Salvation. - 1 Corinthians 1:18
Salvation according to Jesus PBUH monothiesm the belief in one God, the God concept of the Israelites, it's Paul teachings
Karl Adriatico we believe in One God my friend. Our Messiah The Lord Jesus is the Word of God who was manifested in Flesh. (John 1:1-3 and 1 Timothy 3:16) The Injil is very clear about Salvation: salvation is in none other than Christ Jesus. (Acts 4:12)
The only critic I have of Dr. James white is, what is so much more important going on that you can't leave your phone alone for 2 hours rather than this debate you're clearly getting paid to do. Stay focused man. Glad to see a debate between two very opposing religions in such a peaceful way. Also to have both people so familiar with the content is so amazing to see and that they see things from different viewpoints. I think the thing I wish Dr white had talked about is the difference between works and faith in both points of view. Of course you have no faith if you don't apply the works in your life. Works alone is not enough, that is what God has been trying to tell us from the beginning and we do not listen. We want laws and leaders to tell us what to do so we don't have to take responsibility for our own lives. Jesus puts that responsibility back on us. Jack of all trades master of one is the saying. You are the master of our own salvation and Jesus has provided us a path to salvation by his sacrifice that we are no longer slaves to the law
How do you read the Qur'an and see all Gods mercy and then still feel you can't kneel down and pray and ask God to forgive you. To believe that God will not want you in His presence because of sin is to believe that God isn't merciful and forgiving. You need to pray for yourself James White not pray for people who are praying daily for Gods mercy.
The question is not whether God is full of mercy or not. We both agree he is. The question is, does God set set aside his holiness and justice for being gracious? If not what happens with our sins?
@@mikeschmoll7762 what happens if God sets aside His holiness and gracious so he can be merciful? Are you even understanding what you’re typing?
@@Ace0555 We are both sinners. Sinners can in no way coexist in God's presence because he is holy.
He doesn't and will never tolerate sin or excuse it. It's the other way around he will pour out his justice on the one dwelling in his sin.
So the question arises how can sinners dwell with a perfect holy God without diminishing any of God's attributes?
@@mikeschmoll7762 sinners are first forgiven. Then they can meet their Lord in their presence. No one can enter paradise except thru Gods mercy. You make it seem like sin is so powerful that God can’t forgive. After all sin is a creation of the Almighty. He doesn’t need to set aside anything. He is The Most merciful and the Most Just and those two don’t contradict.
@@Ace0555 I don't see any justice of God in your speech... If God is the most righteous judge how can sinners be forgiven?
If a judge forgives he is no judge anymore.
brother Adnan respect for you you are telling the truth
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Imagine a judge in a court sacrificing himself for the crime of an innocent person.
Do you still not see it?
“You need the Holy Spirit to understand”
This one’s better. Imagine praying not to be sacrificed for another criminal, who’s innocent. And then your prayer is rejected...
Matthew (26:39) then, Matthew (27:46)
what do you mean ? its mean its crazy to belive on that or its good to belive on that ? i think its crazy to belive in that. like jesus die for you sins. if jesus was god. so god kill him self (jesus) to save others from him self . this is sound stupid brain .
@@halalguts6331 can you imagine, a person kill other people and rape a children and then Jesus let him enter to the kingdom of heaven, that's you call justice ?
Stupid thing to believe ever 😂🤣
Human sacrafice is a pagan ritual
“When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire” (Sahih Muslim Book 037, No 6665). Allah is doing atonement. Using a Christian or Jew to take the Sins of Muslims
@@busha7879 1) any hadith that contradicts the Quran is automatically false and the Quran clearly states NO ONE will take upon the sin of others. 2) Scholarly interpretation of this hadith is that without the mercy of Allah, we would be like them, whom sins are not forgiven but are the same to us, but ours is forgiven because of Allah. Either way you put it, it cannot possibly contradict the Quran, so either this hadith is false or it means something else.
@@MMOInformers My friend Its "SAHIH" Which means it is authentic. Clearly you are trying desperately to defend this by lying, which is allowed in Islam.. I can give you another Sahih Hadith for this. The quran is full of Contradictions, this is why your scholars use abrogation to cover this. In fact praying 5 times a day is taken from the Hadith, not the quran as the quran states 3 times, so the Hadith has higher authority than the quran. 😁
I still like bacon
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read isaiah 65 : 3 - 4
18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart." 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Corinthians 1:18-25 ESV)
Well said adnan...
I'm an ex-Christian and alhamdullilah i found Islam. after years of researching the bible..i saw clearly that Jesus cannot possibly be God in any way shape of form. Jesus even says so himself in the bible. Bible even PROVES Jesus did not die on that cross as many christians claim. there are too many verses in the bible that confirms Quran we simply cant avoid it and thats why I became muslim.
No you aren't an ex Christian. "Ex Christians" were never Christians to begin with. Once a person is a Christian he is a Christian until the day he leaves planet Earth. And yes Jesus was indeed crucified and died according to the Bible, how much more obvious does it have to be. And how are you missing Jesus claim that he is divine?
When will Christians learn that reading Scripture doesn’t count as an empirical argument. That opening statement didn’t convince a single person
Adnan destroyed his arguments with is own scripture, his own scripture contradicts almost everything he said 👏👏👏
Just like Zakir Hussain
That's a very good debate. I look at both side and I am content with my belief. There are other debates that Dr. White had with Mr. Rashid and I have to say that this is the best of them all, minus the phone hiccup. I can see a change though in his style of debate. I can see that he is more passionate and kind. Though I don't agree with Mr. Rashid point of view, I do like the gestures and what he stated about being brothers. Overall, This is good and this is a step in the right direction. This is a debate that others (Christian and non-Christian) should emulate.
You are a beautiful person. I wish other Christians emulated u. I disagree with you and could love you.
Agreed I like James White in this debate, he is very warm and cordial, with some debates he can be a bit rancorous, alas he is human. I think debates where both parties take time to engage with each other on a human level before the debate always helps the discussions flow better and is easier to listen too. I hate all those ‘gotcha’ debates, they are nothing but pride and very unloving. Here you can tell that both Rashid and White respect and care about each other and this is exactly what humanity needs in this volatile world at the moment.
I'm tired of seeing Christians & Muslims just rooting for their "side". Dr. James White and Adnan Rashid are both great men trying to get closer to God and spread their faith. I'm a Christian and I love listening to Mr. Rashid. If only Christians & Muslims could get along so we can make this life a little bit less warring!!
James was actually talking to Paul by correcting/rebuking/insulating Paul in the book of James, even calling him "foolish"? This seems to be a bit of a stretch.
Agreed, especially considering that James died pretty early, something like 20 years before Paul. So the chronology may not even allow for that sequence of point and counterpoint.
@@chadparsons50 There really is no contradiction. On the surface, it may appear to be so. If James had a beef we would have more evidence of it. In fact, there probably would have been a split in the early churches or something like that.
@@gideondavid30 Agreed again, you're on a roll.
how can a cross to be a humanity salvation..this is a blasphemy to God and jesus..theres no logic at all..
1 Corinthians 1:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
The inability to understand a thing does not render it powerless or any less true.
1 Corinthians 1 18 message of the Cross means nothing to those who are lost but to those who are save it is the power of God. 1 Cor. 1 17 Paul preach the cross of Christ. 1 Cor 1 23 24 enemies of the Cross of Christ
Don't you know that it's not about the cross, and the blood and the death this whole act of crucifixion, was for GOD to deliver his message that he loves you and he doesn't want to be without you, when you truly love you have to make sacrifices.
Why would God take on earthly flesh as Jesus to be crucified to save humanity and forgive sin? Because he loves his creation and promised not to send another flood and destroy all of humanity and civilization, he gave himself to be a final sacrifice so that no other would have to be sacrificed again. He promised to save the righteous before finally destroying sinners who do not want to live the way God intended and Jesus was meant to show us the way to salvation and guidance to live a life free of sin, so that we may survive the apocalypse. Jesus was resurrected to show that we also will be resurrected after death when God destroys satan and all the evil in the material world and we will all live under gods true will. Christianity Is not that difficult to understand. God, through the holy spirit, the force in which he performs miracles, impregnated Mary, she gave birth to a human baby. Jesus lived as a human, when he was baptized the holy spirit came upon him, creating a union with him and God. A union of the father, the son and the holy spirit. That is the trinity. Christians worship Jehova, through the teachings of the christ whose power was displayed to the apostles through the miracles performed by Jesus with the power of the holy spirit. The apostles shared their stories of their interactions with Jesus and Christianity spread.
2:19:13 I have lost count of how many times I have heard a Muslim fall back on, "It doesn't make sense" concerning Substitutionary Atonement and the Trinity. It can be expected that, having been raised under a system that deliberately contradicts these concepts, a Muslim would have a particularly difficult time understanding them as a Christian understands them, with any clarity. But the inability to grasp a concept doesn't make it untrue.
And let me add, now that I have finished the entire video, how encouraging I found their handshake/embrace at the end of the debate. I have great respect for both of these men, in their willingness to put their own pursuit of truth ahead of the tribal/sectarian agendas held by some others.
None of the thousands prophets talk about trinity. It shows trinity doesn't make sense
@2:18:00 what law is he talking about... his answer is very confusing !!! this philosophy of sacrifice and blood to forgive sins is not making sense at all.
The wages of sin is death, this was the curse in Eden, right?
You’re in a court, you’ve committed the crimes of breaking the commandments of Moses. You tell the judge “forgive me, look at all the good I’ve done”. Does a just judge not punish the wicked? No, the judge has laid out that those who sin, their wage is death. The wage, bail, and fine is death. A man enters the court and tells the judge he’ll pay the fine for you, and so he has for you. Hope this helps, much love to you brother ❤️
Read Leviticus, especially Leviticus 16, it's nothing we invented
I cant help respect James White regardless of how ridiculous his points are.. May Allah guide this Christian brother
Jesus is the only way ... Research you religion little brother... 🙏🏽
@@jayrocky9067 no
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@@jayrocky9067 If Jesus is the only way so you have to believe in his Words not the Words of the Church or Paul... ,Jesus is the way to God ,Jesus show to his followers how to worship one God=the Father not the trinity who comes after hundreds of years after the disparition of Jesus, Jesus have a God "i am going to my father and your father, my god and your god" ,Jesus is the christ and a messenger of God not God ,his the word of God not God ,his the Finger of God not God ,Jesus said "Me myself i can do nothing " ,Jesus knees on the flour to his Father=God and told to his follower to worship God in this way .......
I think you have to fix some problem and make some research .
@@fabbiofabbio1476 Why would God take on earthly flesh as Jesus to be crucified to save humanity and forgive sin? Because he loves his creation and promised not to send another flood and destroy all of humanity and civilization, he gave himself to be a final sacrifice so that no other would have to be sacrificed again. He promised to save the righteous before finally destroying sinners who do not want to live the way God intended and Jesus was meant to show us the way to salvation and guidance to live a life free of sin, so that we may survive the apocalypse. Jesus was resurrected to show that we also will be resurrected after death when God destroys satan and all the evil in the material world and we will all live under gods true will. Christianity Is not that difficult to understand. God, through the holy spirit, the force in which he performs miracles, impregnated Mary, she gave birth to a human baby. Jesus lived as a human, when he was baptized the holy spirit came upon him, creating a union with him and God. A union of the father, the son and the holy spirit. That is the trinity. Christians worship Jehova, through the teachings of the christ whose power was displayed to the apostles through the miracles performed by Jesus with the power of the holy spirit.
There is a very sophisticated tool that the Respected James white uses ... it's when he addresses question, the emphasis on his tone and weight on words becomes such that even though his answers which may not suffice, but the manner of his pronunciation in his sentences are such that anyone who leans towards Respected James whites side will unconsciously believe that the issues were answered by him.
My Respected Bother Adnan Rashid, this very sophisticated tactic seems very potent.
This is how a real debate should be conducted unlike the way those dawah clowns ali dawah and muhammad hijab conduct their debates.
I respect both men.
1. Like the prophets of the Bible, in April 1993, I, Kacou Philippe, a man who had never been in a church, I receive in a vision, the visitation of an Angel who commissions me for a Message destined to the whole earth in fulfillment of Matthew 25:6 and Revelation 12:14. This is the account of my conversion, as well as the three great visions of the call and commission as I received them:
Dr White is preaching more than educating
Solomon's Tech what's wrong with that
You don't need to be rude Micheal, This is why I choose Islam cause Christianity never did push me to be a better person...
Emmett "you don't need to be rude michael" says the one who believes a pedo profit.
And good job condemning your god Loooooooool.
Q5.14
And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Loooooooool kafir.
Joel did he really get converts? lol
So........?
GOD bless James who explain so simple the word of GOD that even Adnan could understand if he wanted to.
Paul never said that we don't have to work for our salvation. Adnan does not understand Paul's epistles, like so many other people.
Im muslim, and i think same as adnan. And i see that the claim is true. Can u enlighted me on that if its not true
@@zulkiflizul8154 hello nice meeting you, even it's just on TH-cam. Look at what Paul write to the Philippians. If you don't understand Paul's writings then you will stumble from one in to the next ditch.
Philippians 2:12
[12]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
how can "the glorious Lord be crucified" ? How does that even make sense, you think God can be crucified? Why would James say God needs a blood sacrifice? Do you think God needs blood sacrifices? That sounds paganistic, sounds like they misunderstand what mercy is, Gods mercy
If God takes on a body and lets his enemies do what they want, then why can't He be crucified? I know how blasphemous it sounds, but if God wanted to do that, for any reason, He surely could. And the Bible says He did do just that.
You are a Muslim I guess... You will only understand that only when you acknowledge that Jesus is the son of God and then read the very parable of Jesus in Mark 12:67 and Jeremiah 7:25... Then pay attention to all the points presented in this debate... And I pray the holy spirit minister to you in Jesus name. Amen.
That's the main point actually. Lord became human, suffering because of our sin. So we can join him in heaven someday 😇
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water
Wow amazing, Rashid has no clue of the cross. Lets pray to the Lord that one day this man comes to the knowledge of the only true God.
You mean only 3 in One God? 🤔
@@amimush4296 I mean ONLY TRUE God
Which bible will u recommend the one with 73 books or 66 I hope u know what am talking about
It is good to listen knowledgeable people God bless them.
Nice debate, Jame's understanding of the bible always shows clearly, the thing is a muslim will always stay on a verse they misunderstand, the other guy kept saying Psalms 91 over and over even though Jemes kept explaining what it meant, every book in history both biblical and non biblical confirms the death of Jesus execpt the Qur'an coming half a century later
One of the main reason the Holy Quran came was because of the scriptures got corrupted by people. One example is Saying god has a son
what if we made a challenge....all of book and all of file on internet erased....gone.....only Quran and islam will survive...islam have a HAFIZ(memorize the Quran) everywhere....
Arie SadJoker no according to the Bible we have the Holy Ghost in us that would lead and guide us. We do not need a script, if there was no script. Yet the script (the Bible) testifies of the work of God. I dont need a testimony to believe.
By the way The Quran you have is nothing more than a collection. No one can prove if the collections truely are in line with what Mohammed actually received.
And no one can prove if Mohammed didn't make up the stories himself.
The Bible is also a collection, yet it is much more authentic , because 1)there are manuscripts to compare 2) There is more than one testimony.
We don't rely on a single person's opinion.
jazz truth "holy ghost in us that would lead and guide us"...and student dont need a book at school,holy ghost will guide them.....dont make a joke....why holy ghost can't lead and guide nonbeliever kids?they dont have a bible...you believe Jesus cuz your parents have a bible,but false and corrupted...
@bEn sky You only memorize one verse of the bible which is
"In the beginning there was the word and the word was with God and the word was god".
Typical Christian.🙄
@@hakunamatata8956 You sound bitter, and you don't understand the Gospel and it's actual meaning. Sounds like you need Jesus
To memorize the Quran is not that impressive especially considering it's about the size of the new testament. The fact that many muslims have memorized it shows that the feat is not impressive. Memorize the bible, which is considerably longer and I'd be very impressed.
Iv noticed one thing about james white , he seems to be a top man , but when confronted with conradictions and hard questions , he reconciliates them WITHOUT PROOF FROM THE TEXT , he merely explains how it can be reconciled but has no textual evidence and people fall for it . Anything is reconcilable , literally anything , but it needs to have textual evidence to back it up
🇺🇸 JESUS CAME INTO MY DREAM & introduced himself as God. He told me to prostrate before him! I told him if he is the God he can appear in dreams of millions of other non-christians in the world so that everyone else also realizes that he is the god. If he is true God, others should have the right to see him in their dream. But the Jesus did not take up the challenge.
🇺🇸 Then I asked Jesus to prostrate before me. Jesus replied "I never prostrate before humans. I even declined Almighty to prostrate before Adam". "Jesus" then vanished, only leaving me to believe HE WAS NONE BUT THE DEVIL.
If you are confused about the Trinity & Bible, do not immediately become a pagan or an atheist. Be a pure monotheist first, then seek the truth! The wise believer abandons lies and chooses the path of truth!
@@a-the-1st324 im a muslim and extremely satisfied with it . Thank you very much
Well done
Adnan .this is the truth. With common sense. But Christians are lost
I m in awe how God so powerful can suffer, b tortured n died. He could just pardon them instead of suffering. He could allow the preaching without suffering & died.
Tim Mustapha:--I see you got a poor concept of God's love. You inadvertently hold your love to be greater than God's love. Because love (may)make(s) you do things that are less than ideal. Even if you despise your 'low life' neighbours and will never think of paying them a visit, if one day your baby daughter strays into their premises you will go in there yourself on that day. Uninvited. Nice excuse. Their moment to ridicule you. Mock you. Say things to your face and more behind your back. As long as you've got your baby. You think that it is beneath God to come down to earth? I think so too. He's got someone He loves so He comes.
Based on what you said, because of how much your god loved you, he died for you. Your god is dead and therefore not eternal. Your religion does not exist anymore, look for another religion.
@@3Crumbs To be a Muslim is to care about religion but becoming a Christian is about The Kingdom of God. Not religion. Big difference. Are you sure that you are a Muslim? Because Muslims know that Jesus is alive. No debate there. Meanwhile I can prove to you that your god(Allah) is dead. However I know that this will be too painful a discovery for you so I won't say it.
@@mlulekibb LOL please prove to me how Allah is dead, never heard of that before. 2nd, Islam is not "care about religion", its about loving God and following his commands so that he is pleased with us and rewards us with heaven. Yes Jesus is alive in Islam, except in Islam Jesus is not God, Jesus did not die on the cross either, nor did he take sins of other people for himself.
@@MMOInformers How many names Allah?
Adnan forgets to say that if u broke the law in 1 aspect you broke the whole law. The same James he quotes says that in James 2:10. Therefore James knows
no one could keep the law on its own for salvation. Everyone of us sins. So how would Adnan solve that problem? Even adnan cant be saved doing the law. If a white cloth is soiled even on one spot, it is considered spoiled and reject. You cant tell a judge u kept the speed limit for 99 percent of the time and only broke the limit for 1 percent of your journey. The judge wont let you off the hook for speeding. Not speeding doesn't outweigh breaking the law of speeding.
ATONEMENT OF SINS:
The wages of sin is death, so we all deserve to die, and because the life of the flesh is in the blood, is the blood that pays for one's sins.
You CAN'T wash away your own sins for the same reason a life sentence criminal can't wash away his own crimes. Repenting will not get the criminal out of prison just like that and since the life of the flesh is in the blood, is the blood that pays for one’s sins.
Since the Old Testament they used the blood of a clean male animal for the atonement of their sins, that is why Jesus is the last sacrifice, and the reason why He is also known as the Lamb of God, here I explain why:
(Leviticus 17:11): For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.
(Leviticus 1:3): If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD.
(Exodus 12:5-7) God tells them to use a perfect animal and use its blood on the frame of their door and the whole chapter goes into an explanation of the Passover.
In the whole chapter of (Hebrews 10), everything is explained why all that was done and why is no longer need it thanks to Jesus Christ.
Here is the FULFILMENT:
(1 John 2:2): He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world
AMEN. as what the book of Ecclesiastes 3:11
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Pray for the all. JESUS CHRIST the Lord & savior of the World. To GOD BE THE GLORY
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This is pure bullshit everyone is responsible for his own sins. And i wouldn't believe The All Powerful took on human form then shat and drank.
@@ramimoussi1841 that's the whole gospel message. if everyone was responsible for their sins we would all go to hell because as stated before "The wages of sin are death," that is eternal death in hell. also, David said "no one is good" which is to say everyone sins. so how can we be responsible for our own sins? Jesus Christ entered into creation and took on human form and limited himself
@@marq5864 So your logic is to prove it from your Bible? "The wages of sin are death"? What a joke. Everyone is responsible for their own sins. Your very loving "The Father" sacrificed his son for the world huh? What a loving father he is. Why didn't he sacrifice himself? But that's not the main issue. If God is full of power and can do anything in your religion he wouldn't need that stupid bloodshed.
Mr. Rashid's answer @2:23 does not make sense!!! Mr. White explained that in @2:02
1:34:30 sums up the entire debate for me i'm sorry
I object from the beginning before I see the debate !!!!
Why the platform looks like cross !??? Adnan should object and should not start the debate until this platform is removed
The beginning of the debate shows bias
I agree with you...
ManSon Rising
And this is another objection
Why a debate is held in a church , do they accept to make it a mosque!??
This is another bias ,,,,
I hope that Allah guides Christians to worship Him alone and leave worshiping a man
ManSon Rising
I thought if the debate is held in a big hole it will be more suitable for both
Besides in the mosques generally we don’t have any signs to show like what in the churches ( statues, paintings , crosses ,,,, etc )
ManSon Rising
Now tell me
Did you see anything in the mosques where the debate where held which represents Islam like what we see in the churches like this cross
ManSon Rising
Are you Christian !?
Maaaasha ALLAH ( S.A.W. ) thanks sheikh Adnan wel done