It's a bit weird to me that they mentioned JA21, while a bunch of left-leaning small parties are projected to actually get some seats, like the pan-European Volt for instance.
Seriously though would it have killed you guys to just have a Federal party for like the main centre-left and centre-right parties instead of having two, one for each language group, and having them not agree
I have a suggestion for you guys: when you make these videos about politics in EU countries I think you should also mention what European party these national parties belong to. In this way the viewer can understand better the position of each party in relation to the EU
Who knows anything about the european parties, though? When it's EU election time you vote for your national party, and you just vaguely know that they are part of a EU party in Brussels that you don't care about. That's what it's like in Sweden, at least.
As an American who is sick and tired of a two-party system, seeing all of these parties and trying to understand their policies is both exhilarating and overwhelming.
My GF is American so I'm pretty used to contrasting the two systems when talking to friends and family from the States. While there are up and downsides to both a '2 party' system and the Dutch political buffet, I'd argue the 2 party system in the U.S. is functioning much worse. You simply don't have the breadth of political discourse, and are left debating a small corner of the available political spectrum of ideas misleadingly framed as 'left' vs 'right'. It's almost ironic how polarized Americans have become, without politics even emulating the cultural divide in terms of policies. When a 3rd party does run, like The Green Party, few Americans are usually aware of the option, let allone comparing the platforms side by side. Not to mention I often hear people arguing against a 3rd party vote, characterising it as a wasted vote, which is made true if by the Winner take all reality of US elections.. I've also often heard the accusation that a 3rd party vote is responsible for, as an example, Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016, as per consequence Trump. I tend to argue if Clinton wanted your vote, she should have earned it, not assumed it. But more relevant; a free democratic people should be able to freely choose who best represents them, why limit yourself to the shiniest of two turds? Since, imho, neither the Democrats nor Republicans have in recent decades chosen to serve the American people with their political platforms - prioritising business instead, I think this analogy is accurate: when your only option is either coke or pepsi, you'll all end up with Diabetes. 3rd Party 2024! Anyone..? As for the Dutch system. As the video accurately describes, in a land of 17 million opinions, it presents us with challenges when it comes to finding common ground. If every party represents a niche political demohraphic, it usually applies that they have niche political stances they can't break from without compromising their identity and upsetting their base. A good example, imho, are the religious parties (Christen Unie, SGP, CDA) but also the party 50 Plus(read 50 years and older party). These parties essentially have dogmatic principles they can't negotiate/be flexible as it is almost synonymous with their political identity. Examples could be Gay marriage or euthenasia/end of life choices for the religious 2, or the inevitable increase of our retirement age for the 50 Plus party. You can afford to be uncompromising when you rule with a majority or a few reliable parties. But when you need 5 or more parties to agree on every policy proposal, it can be very difficult to create a cohesive sensible governing plan through all the exceptons like 'I can't budge on anything thats costs farmers' or 'we'll support privatisation of X, if you withold votes in favor of 'end of life' legislation for this political term'. It can give a tiny minority an extreme amount of (undeserved) leverage on specific but sometimes significant issues. At the same time, call me a hypocrit, I myself vote for , at first glance, a niche issue party. This being the Party of the Animals, not mentioned here, but counting 6 seats in the results atm. One of the better potentials in our system is the room for new ideas to rise to relevance. The rise of green oriented parties have surely made Rutte and the VVD more moderate/realistic about the inevitability of sustainability being a main political theme for decades to come. Again, imho, the Party for the Animals (PvDD) has one of the most consistent and on point pro climate attitudes, beig the only one that has always been transparant about the biggest contributor to our emissions; livestock. Not to mention, the niche interest of animals is truly the only one demographic which has no vote with which to award representation. Perhaps relevant to add we are a ridiculously large producer/processor of livestock relative to our population/country size. Final point: this video is a great summary despite the complexity of dealing with so many parties. Having different political platforms and interests is great, but I know plenty of people who vote with a modest to superficial understanding of the political menu.The Netherlands too is culturally polarising, I don't think a vote allone can adress that.
I saw it was going to be a video about the dutch ellections, I click and it starts with Mark Rutte talking. I thought, that is not how they usually do their videos by immediately throwing the viewers into the subject. It took a couple of seconds to realize it was just the starting ad (based in the Netherlands so that happens).
I have TH-cam Vanced on my phone to block ads and use uBlock Origin on my computers (plus a network wide PiHole to block most ads in general). You could try looking into these options
P.S. you didn't really talk about *how* this could impact the EU... One big thing is that the VVD is leaning *heavily* into Rutte becoming the PM if they win. Their whole campaign is basically; "We have Rutte, you like Rutte, vote VVD". So if the scandals and other things causes his political career to collapse, the VVD is set to lose a massive amount of support.
Its very unlikely that Rutte will do something drastic relating to the EU he has worked with it for over a decade as PM and if you include ministerial experience he is even more prepared for it. I do agree that the VVD will lose seats after their leader leaves he is an extremely savvy politician and know how to read the winds of public opinion. His PR campaign is legit one of the best I have seen. he presents himself during his work as an experienced, boring and upstanding politician. He used his bike when he handed in his resignation (Basically every Dutch person has or is using a bike to get to work or school). Although he was planning to step down or at least that's what it looked like in 2019 but a good enough replacement wasn't found.
@R This is your original comment: "They're vultures who will never take responsibility for their own fuck-ups. Once the economy is doing better again, they'll prvatise even further." The fact they already said the current system needs to be changed when they themselves put that system in place is about as much of an admission of a mistake you'll get from a politician. If they say one thing and to the opposite sure call them on their bullshit. But something were they tried something and failed and want to change the failed system isn't something rock solid to beat them with. The world isn't so black and white.
The centerright VVD is basically comparable with senator Romney from the States. Charming fellow, knows what he talks about, but his policies will make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
As a dutchman I need to say you have done an excellent job puzzling this out. Even nuances are well placed. Almost thinking you have a dutchman on your research team. This is difficult to get as most of it is in dutch and very difficult to translate! Well done
There are many unique election systems in national level. EU parliament election systems are a bit more similar because EU requires proportional elections.
Many countries like France and Britain use first past the post similar to the US, while the Dutch system is completely proportional, although German's system comes close it's not the same.
Similar to the Nazis, most socially conservative extremists are also economically extreme socialists, the “far right” is usually very similar to the “far left”.
There's a myth that they are economically left, but this often isn't the case when you look at their actual voting record on bills. These parties like to portray themselves as being concerned with the poor (but non-immigrant) people, but their voting record betrays them.
@@joshirosenda6931 wouldn’t say we are the MOST important country. But I’d say that due to our neutrality in international politics (over the last 100 years) we managed to acquire a relatively important position in the EU, especially when compared to countries similar to ours in size.
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You have saved me 14 minutes of mine live I couldn't ever repay you ✨🙏
It also spreads misinformation about how our system really works. We actually vote on a person who will represent our vote. This person does not have to stay a member of a group (party) to keep representing you.
When really put next to each other, I can see the VVD, especially in coalition with center parties, as more left then US democrats. Just not boasting about left things they won't do anyway.
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They are certainly more left, just less "progressive" (for lack of a better word).
America's parties are just extremely right (Republicans would fall of the left-right spectrum for many (all?) European countries and the Democrats are also very right for us), only Bernie Sanders would fit in
@@Jlnkht hahaha ja de mensen krijgen echt 0,0000001 cent per ad die je kijkt, je kunt beter geen ads kijken, 1 uur extra werken per jaar, en dan dat geld doneren. de enige die geld aan je oogballen verdient is google
It was a first time my ballot paper was A2 size with a 14pt font making the list. Sadly the brown shirts made progress though. Now we have even more of those fartwits in parliament.
As a Canadian, I am very amazed by both the number of parties and how the system functions. I would love to have a system like that where I live because it would make the whole prospect of voting very exciting as to see what happens. Also, seeing such varied parties forming their own coalition is super cool to see. Also, very good production quality of this video; straightforward and easy to understand!
There are about 30 parties we can vote for. It is a nice system, but remember that every party has to make compromises and sacrifices because they have to form a coalition. They can promise you golden mountains, but you get a mountain of shit instead ;) it does make it a somewhat balanced government, the dutch are spoiled with this system and they like to complain.
yes i like the system too. there's a bit too many parties and i dont like a lot of those parties (but i dont have to), but the system itself is very fair and even. making sure that there is maximum cooperation and support for everything. it just gets a bit too slow or complicated sometimes
@@atom6_ I think that's a good thing, the alternative is party A gets full control, does a lot of things, 4 years later party B gets full control, reverses all the things.. With this system no party can do very extreme things and most changes are well thought out.
Many people underestimate the possibilities of a wide coalition. It happend before (Paars) and although often maligned and certainly not perfect it worked well and was even remarkably consistent in achieving set goals. Wide coalitions have the advantage of making any political ideological grandstanding pointless and forces parlement to focus on actual goals and the way to get there: Good ol' polder politics.
Most of the people who care about that wouldn't vote VVD anyway. Only a few things really matter, such as keeping the mortgage laws roughly there same and will the avoid major economic upheaval such as leaving the EU. Yes to both? Then we can vote for VVD.
Well, it wasn’t really his scandel to begin with. The problem is the secrecy behind all of it, which might be the actual scandel lurking in the corner. This whole shitshow of the childcare scandel started back in 2006~2008, so it was the fault of Balkenende IV and V, in which Rutte didn’t play a role in.
Rutte is supposed to know everything thats going on. And they did know. As pm he is responsible. But he has a tactic of laughing things away and washing his hands in innocense and putting the blame on others. It works as he simply gets away with everything he does. Just as simple as vvd voters simply dont care about those people. Every person votes for a reason, that i understand. but ignorant voting is just as bad as not voting.
Video idea: paneuropean parties such as volt. Also fairly relevant for regional and national elections. Volt for example entered multiple coalitions in cities here in germany
But they will be the biggest ones again. I'd rather have VVD then those leftwing parties that promise mountains of gold and don't deliver when they actually have to do it.
Has to be said: I've often criticised TLDR for the spelling and pronunciation mistakes in their videos, but as a Dutchman, I can say that pronunciation-wise, they got it nearly spot-on in this video. Don't think anyone but a native speaker or somebody who's studied Dutch phonetics for ages could have done better. Credit where it's due, and all that...
@@oldebarneveldt5326 Yes, and Klaver isn't pronounced clay-ver either. I'm not saying there weren't small mistakes here and there, but relatively speaking, it was very good.
If there's anything I've learned in these 11 years it's that nothing can break Mark Rutte. He tried to give 2 billion in tax cuts to essentially two or three multinationals against everyone's wishes and all expert advice, failed, and then still went his merry way for another four years.
Maybe it's because the media is too soft on him? From a Flemish point of view, someone like Rutte would never become prime minister in the first place. He's too afraid to take up the role of a leader, never taking responsibility of his actions, always saying he has to do stuff because he's the prime minister, not because he wants them to happen. That's not how you act as a prime minister, that's how you act as team leader during a school assignment.
Team Rutte stepped down after a big fraud cause were many people were serious effected by and now forgotten in one week . So many suicides and Rutte knew about The scandel . Now the claimed they would leave the parlement but here we are It all was a game for them and no remorse what so ever . Rutte is a good example of a psychopath in power working for the EU
The VVD was a big influence on this privatization of healthcare (though they didn't start it, that was the CDA-led government iirc) and are now just trying to fix their mistakes before it might cost them voters next election.
It shouldn't really surprise you, because if you can vote in it (as can I) then you've already received the card that authorizes you to vote in the coming 3 days.
The Pirate Party is at least equally relevant to the EU, as they have 4x the seats in EU Parliament compared to Volt, and they are actually already elected into the parliaments of several EU countries.
@@MelchiorPhilips they are not a European party but a collection of copy cat movements. If you call the Pirates a pan-European party, you could call the Greens or the social democrats that as well.
@@MelchiorPhilips The Pirate Party isn't attracting a lot of votes here in the Netherlands. It's too left-wing for our liking and it has been quite unstable. To get an idea: The alt-right FVD came into existence due to a split-up of the Pirate Party. VOLT in that regard is way more stable. They don't have internal conflicts and if people look into the party program and how the politicians are acting in national TV shows (not in the old-fashioned way, but on TH-cam like NOS op 3), they look quite credible and a party with experience. Poller Maurice de Hond, who is still the benchmark for exit polls, is giving VOLT 3 seats at the moment.
As a Dutch guy it hurts how people still tend to vote VVD. They have been the most scandalous party the last 10 years in a row. In 2021 it turned out to be the CDA.
Most people in the Netherlands disagree with you. Most people hate parties like FVD on the right and parties like GroenLinks on the left. D66 and VVD don’t get that much hate besides last year
@@MfromN Me punt is dat een partij dat 10 jaar aan de macht is uiteraard met een aantal schandalen te maken krijgt. Dat is onvermijdelijk, beleidsmatige en menselijke slippers zijn natuurlijk en horen altijd bij regeren. Men moet niet alleen focus leggen op die schandalen, hoe erg het ook is, maar ook kijken naar wat de VVD bereikt heeft de afgelopen jaren. Naar mijn zin zijn ze nou ook niet heel super bezig geweest maar toch was onze werkeloosheid het laagst van heel Europa en heeft Rutte oa de vluchtelingen deal er doorheen gewerkt.
As much as I criticised your last video on these elections, this one was excellent. I was surprised by how many of the little issues and nuances you mentioned. Great job!
Having a multiple party system is great! No winner takes all BS, and all people just being represented as best as possible with regards to their individual preferences.
Except its not, you need power to get stuff done Mistakes are made sure but the constant vetoing will just delay and hamper any change Everyone has a side theyll fight for someone needs to overpower them
@@jimbojimbo6873 Not in practice. In practice it works great, and parties make deals on how to work together, so a lot of stuff is actually done. Whereas in America not a whole lot of stuff is made to change...
what they dont tell you is how none of our political parties are willing to tackle the actual issues threatening us in the netherlands; housing bubble, people coming here from north africa and middle east to draw welfare checks and not work, the complete dissolution of the welfare state, rising costs of living, stagnant wages. no they just peddle rivers of bullshit.
It always makes me chuckle a little when I see someone socialized in the anglo-influenced political systems a little confused by right-wing parties not being neoliberal.
All very possible. I don't know anything about Dutch parties. I was just commenting on the slight confusion about a party that's supposedly right wing but not neoliberal.
PVV and FvD are fascist parties. FvD was even in the news because they had nazi messages in their private app group. PVV literally wants a ministry for ethnic cleansing. And wrapping some slightly socialist ideas in an extremely racist package? Where have we seen that before. They're fascists.
Except nothing will change. The Netherlands is firmly committed to the EU. International trade is our bread and butter and we make a lot of money thanks to European integration.
@@mikees9959 google ''''demographics of the Netherlands'''', go to the wikipedia page and see for yourself, because Yew Tube does not allow me to paste the link here.
@@mikees9959 Ethicly even more 😉 and let's leave ethnicity for what it is. Some spybots are mingling. But TLDR forgot DENK and the SGP, both will have some seats. En 50+...
@@mikees9959 Buddy, the way immigration is going right now Dutch people will be a minority in their own country at the end of the 21st century. VVD with their coalitions with leftist and progressive parties is not doing anything about it. Only right wing parties like PVV, FvD, SGP, etc. want to do something about this huge problem.
Hahah is that the party with the "Stem Volt, want de andere partijen bereiken ampère watt" catchphrase? Don't really know much about them but it made me chuckle
The Prime Minister and the biggest party get the biggest free advertisement that exists. A very large share of the population votes for him because - They know him - They are already the biggest - With him as a leader things "weren't all that bad", so they vote for him again. The last few prime ministers and their biggest parties went away because of massive screw ups last times. But apparently, the screw-ups of the VVD haven't been deemed big enough by the population.
As a Belgian student watching the elections, I can say that a cente-left coalition is not unfeasible even if it requires 7 coalition partners. Here in Belgium the new "Vivaldi" (according to the 4 colours of the seasons reflecting the party colours) consists of 7 coalition partners to make a cente-left coalition. It'd be nice to see a change of course for the Netherlands towards a bit more of a progressive stance after seeing inequality rise through Rutte's rain.
@@frederikjrgensen252 It's very much a "Judean People's Front" kind of situation. The Netherlands has a significant leftist presence, but because they're so splintered, they can't get anything done ever since the PvdA shat the bed.
@@frederikjrgensen252 To be fair, here in Belgian these 7 parties could in essence be seen as 4, since 6 of them are 'partner' parties, ie franchophone socialists and Flemish socialists, french and flemish green party, french and flemish liberals and flemish christian democrats.
Yes, but compared to where they were, they have moved more to the centre. I guess that was always inevitable, as they changed from a party that always played second fiddle to the CDA in coalitions, to being the country's largest party.
Yeah this is pretty clear by how they’ve shifted the tax burden from a third of tax income coming from citizens to three quarters, where businesses contribute less than a quarter now to taxes. Meanwhile the size of the state has increased. That’s extremely neoliberal because Rutte has essentially shifted the state’s focus to creating markets everywhere and prioritising the interests of businesses above the citizen, believing the gains from this will trickledown to us even though wages for the working classes have been stagnant under Rutte. They’ve been stagnant since Lubbers really
I am really impressed how you showed the problems we are facing in our politics. Every aspect has been shown and summed up great. Keep up the good work! 👍🏼🔥
In 2019 Rutte proposed to abolish the taxes on dividend. An amount of 1.4 000000000 euro in yearly taxes for the government largely paid by large multi billion euro companies like Unilever. KLM and Shell. They threatened to move their headquarters to London. Mr Rutte is a former employee of Unilever. As a Dutchman myself my reaction was let them go, and start to tax those companies more heavenly. Strip their title "Royal" from them. And shame those companies for their greed. Stop giving them any support because of Covid. Yes it will hurt the people working for those companies but those companies are the first to fire people when they see a profit and give unjustified bonusses to management.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 sources? If you want to convince people you should share your sources. "Do your own research" won't be accepted. Not sharing any reputable sources probably means you don't have any.
As an American, it's incredibly interesting to me that when it comes to their politics (at least as explained in this video), the VVD and the American Democrats seem relatively closely aligned. I've known intellectually that American politics are extremely Conservative and Right-leaning by the standards of Europe, but this was an extremely stark picture of this fact. And yes, I know that there are those among the Democrats whose policies and values more closely align with the centre or left-leaning parties, but by-and-large the Democratic Party is still fairly conservative. My government's COVID-19 response has brought into sharp focus everything I hate about the American system of government, so I hope one day to move to the Netherlands.
Here in the Netherlands, and to a certain extent across Europe, we tend to see the two major parties in the US as representing the right and the far right. There is no real political left in the US, as pretty much any left-wing idea, no matter how moderate, falls outside the Overton window.
Quite funny for me to see all this. I've barely heard of volt outside the previous EU elections and only today dived into it as I was still a wanderer. Convinced me for my vote, now I suddenly see them everywhere.
I wish you would've mentioned Volt Europa, the European Federalist Party. It seems like they're going to get at least 1 seat and possibly 2 or even 3. This would be a huge succes to them and could maybe make the party gain popularity in other countries as well.
@@Alfa-uu7zb The European Federalist party is left wing in NL? That seems weird since the EU is such a neoliberal organisation completely focused on free trade on the internal market.
@@Theorimlig Yes they’re center-left, just like D66. In The Netherlands it seems that being pro EU is left and the center-right and right parties aren’t fond of EU and some are against EU.
@@RealConstructor Interesting. In Sweden only the right wing (anti immigration) populists want to leave, the left party (ex communists) used to want to leave but have pretty much abandoned that position. All the other parties in the middle seem satisfied with the status quo, but none are very enthusiastically pro-EU or at least talk about it very much.
@@Theorimligit's kind of the same in The Netherlands the Socialists and the far right parties are against the EU the rest is kind of"meh"about it. Exceptions are D66 and Volt who are clearly Pro-EU.
After moving to europe, this is the first time I can vote and I was so confused about the whole process but you helped simplify it and make me excited to go right now and vote.thank you
Well I think its not surprising. Volt is still a small new party in the Netherlands and is unlikely to have significant impact on the elections. I'd like to see a more europe oriented party in our government though.😉
@@niekvandermeijden4199 small for now, but with 120 new members every day we're in the elevator and going up 😉 Besides, you gotta start somewhere, no party arrives on the political scene at the top.
Actually, that isn't as surprising as you may think... This year's election _may_ have Volt successfully take their first seats in Dutch Parliament. What with all the kerfuffle over FvD, and Ja21 basically having sprung from that whole mess, I found it more likely for TLDR to mention them in all of this, than to mention Volt. Where Volt is already a well-established party in some member states in the European Union, in the Netherlands. they basically are anything but.
@@slashtiger1 I am Danish and I can tell you they are not well established in Denmark. They are trying to get signatures to run in the next elections. But they have not managed to get any at all.
compliments to TDLR for trying to stay as unbiased as one can. As a Dutch political science student I do have some minor issues regarding details I think missed, but overall they did a wondeful job covering a foreign country with a different language! Research is obviously harder if news is hardly available in the language one speaks, but nevertheless they succeed. I'd almost be jealous that I'm not a part of the research team haha.
serious question to non-dutch viewers: Did you get any of that? This is so information dence with so many names. It was very ambitious of TLDR to try to explain this clusterfuck in 15:00 I'd be inpressed if anyone could follow.
I got a decent amount being a non eu student studying in the Netherlands. The party names and leaders are familiar from the news. still confusing though.
It's pretty easy once you can place all parties on the spectrum. The problem with the leftwing parties is indeed that they are too similar. There is no left-wing slight conservative (like the Danish Social Democrats which are the size of the VVD there). That's the party I'm really missing.
@@Jajalaatmaar hard agree. GroenLinks, D66 and PvdA could easily band together for a progressive centre-left party, they all care for moderate economic equality, progressivism and the environment and its really hard to distinguish either of them. I often see most voters switching between either 3. Combined they would receive the most votes.
TheSuperappelflap VVD will most definitely win. And yes, you will have to pay taxes to the government. But you have will have some modicum of control of how the tax money will be spend. Even if the party you choose to vote for ends up in the opposition. Not voting doesn't help your party. Either way, have a good day.
@@TetsuoNL je stemt toch voor rutte, maakt niet uit op welke partij je stemt lol. ook al stem je fvd of pvv wordy rutte alsnog weer premier en die partijen gaan toch alleen oppositie voeren wat niks doet. ik weet niet wat jij rookt dat je denkt dat stemmen nog zin heeft in dit land maar het is zo te zien sterk spul :P
But they are against abortion, euthanasia and are pro parents needing to sign a paper stating their child is not gay in order to be allowed into certain schools. Sounds kinda "christian conservative" to me
It's probably why they shifted their campaign. It was soo stupidly heavy on that, whilst in the meantime Hoekstra doesn't even know his own program as he came in so late.
How dare you inlcude JA21 but not VOLT the fresh new pan Europeanen socially liberal political party. Which will make it's entrance into the national parlement here in the Netherlands in just a few days. Look into it if you will
@G M And other parties don't consist of the elite? Sure I don't like the politicians behind the party that much (or politicians in general) but their policies sound good imo.
@@jasperschlief Only the "absolute joke" and "spoiled" statements. The other statements are all fact-based and can be fact-checked. :) (Not saying those statements are true though, i didnt check.)
im dutch and 75% of the stuff in this video is untrue or completely irrelevant compared to the actual issues. here's the actual issues: stagnant wages, exploding housing market; import of uneducated people from north africa and middle east; corruption; drugs; tax dodging, etc. literally none of our political parties even plans to do anything about anny of these issues. our system has completely failed.
Its still all aesthetics for now. Under Rutte, the tax burden went from one-third covered by citizens to three-fourths. That would have to change radically if we're going to no longer call Rutte a neoliberal
You've completely forgotten about VOLT in this video. They're expeced to gain 2-3 seat in parliament. The same as another newcomer which you have mentioned, JA21.
According to the polls the Volt party may get a place in the Dutch parliament. Volt is not only a national party but also European one. I think this is a nice topic for a video.
This really is surprisingly accurate and complete - it honestly explains Dutch politics better than most Dutch programs have done. Really well done! I’ll also add that you have done a surprising amount of constitutional research. You know you’ve done well when a constitutional lawyer can’t identify a single flaw - kudos! The only thing I could possibly add is that difficulty forming a coalition isn’t necessarily problematic - if necessary, a minority government may be formed. Most likely, however, a government will be formed that carries a very, very small majority in the second chamber without necessarily having a senate majority. That needn’t be too problematic, considering particularly the FvD has fragmented in the senate. The main question that’s predicted to play a major role is whether or not VVD will be able to form a more right-winged government or not. If not, groenlinks is likely to at least be invited to the coalition talks. PvdA is also a good option for that route, though the last time they did, they were severely punished in the 2017 elections. On the right side, JA21 is the only realistic option for a government party. Generally, a government leaning more to the right will at least require the CDA. CU is an option, but will generally clash with VVD and D66 on some of the more progressive issues, especially the medical-ethical ones (such as assisted suicide). Generally speaking, a right-wing coalition will not be possible - even if the PVV did join, that would sooner lead to leftist economic policy. I think a centre-left government is, therefore, unavoidable. The question remains how much the VVD is willing to yield in order to govern - especially since VVD-voters generally don’t want another “left turn”. It will be interesting!
Well, it might be the case, but better than in the UK when you don't know in advance whether your vote will count at all if you would like to vote on Lib Dems or on Greens
You don't vote for a coalition anyway. You vote for the party that will push the country in a direction you prefer. And you set your expectations to take into account possible compromises as a result of coalitions. As long as they get into the second chamber they can propose laws, even if they're not in the governing coalition.
A lot of these logos are actually significantly older than 2003, so who says Microsoft didn't copy Dutch political parties? 😂 You're not wrong though, most of them are a bit uninspired, but they are instantly recognisable, and that is probably more important to the parties using them. I will say though that the PvdA's logo is a major exception: That one is a stylised rose, but if you look closely, you'll see the innermost petals of the rose actually form a fist. Two very potent social democratic symbols in one well-designed logo there.
@@rjfaber1991 That's quite interesting, I didn't notice that. Just want to put it out there, I mean no disrespect, just keeping the Dutch on their toes. Big love from Britain.
I’ll be voting for either GroenLinks or Volt, probably the former, but honestly if there are second elections, I might go for D66, just to get Kaag into office instead of Rutte. Right now that’s not very realistic though.
reduce cattle stocks by half though? Do they want to destroy farmers or something? Is meat from south america and imported milk really a better option?
@@slome815 70% off products generated from farmers is meant for export. The Netherlands is the second biggest country in export for these products. (In absolute numbers). Most countries are more dependent on us than we on them...
Hoekstra is absolutely no experienced figure in politics. He became finance minister at the request during formation. He also states that hes more a executive than a politician, hence why he didnt want to become head of the cda
I think CDA could change leadership still. Omtzigt is more popular with the voters, especially those in the east side of our country where most of their voterbase is.
my papa is Dutch, and he says he usually knows which party to vote for and its simple. but he said this time round he's actually had to do proper research on it because hes conflicted.
In reality, there are no contenders for PM, especially Sigrid Kaag has no chance. Only the PVV could get enough votes to threaten the VVD but even if they win they would most likely not be able to rule since they'd have no coalition partners
@@paulkruger5456 True, but realistically speaking extremely unlikely. Up to the point where it isnt even worth mentioning. There is a higher chance of an asteroid impacting the parliamentary building on election day.
I am very impressed that TLDR was able to explain the major Dutch parties in such a short time.
Even Dutch news channels couldn’t do that
very interesting video; would love to watch similar description of other countries' political landscape
It's a bit weird to me that they mentioned JA21, while a bunch of left-leaning small parties are projected to actually get some seats, like the pan-European Volt for instance.
It shows how big of a mess Dutch politics have become
@@Syb2705 van Haersma Buma?
Impossible coalition puzzle *laughs in belgian*
If they didn’t exclude Vlaams Belang it would be very easy
Challenge indeed
@@deleteduser8949 But they should exclude VB lol. Fascism, homophobia, transphobia, racism,... Not something we need leading our country.
Seriously though would it have killed you guys to just have a Federal party for like the main centre-left and centre-right parties instead of having two, one for each language group, and having them not agree
@@StratosTitan They are not fascist, homophobic, transphobic or racist. They are just have critic on immigration and Belgium.
12:02 "Out of the center left coalition, the CDA might actually be the largest"
D66: And I took that personally
Sigrid looking at Wopke: "I'm bout to end this guy's whole career"
Wake up. Sigrid Kaag is a WEF puppet as is Rutte. This is to clear the path to a vaccination passport. No way she got that many votes clean.
@@niconesta8566 I believe she did, and so do most people.
@@niconesta8566 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@niconesta8566 😂
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that Merkel's four terms didn't fit on the slide so they just cut of 2 or 3 years :'D
That’s what i was about to comment.
Yay?
@@ruairi4901 Thank you, mister bot
@@ruairi4901 How about less worrying about the colour of our skin and more about the morals behind them.
We call her "ewige Gottkanzlerin"
eternal God chancellorette
I have a suggestion for you guys: when you make these videos about politics in EU countries I think you should also mention what European party these national parties belong to. In this way the viewer can understand better the position of each party in relation to the EU
That’s a great idea
Yes, great idea!
Great idea!!
Who knows anything about the european parties, though? When it's EU election time you vote for your national party, and you just vaguely know that they are part of a EU party in Brussels that you don't care about. That's what it's like in Sweden, at least.
I’d love to learn more about the political landscape in other eu contries, it’s very insightful to understand what the issues that EU faces are
As an American who is sick and tired of a two-party system, seeing all of these parties and trying to understand their policies is both exhilarating and overwhelming.
Better watch out. You may get exhausted!
This was perhaps a quarter of the parties, our politics are a bit too splintered right now...
Have fun in the sections of European politics
We had 37 parties contending this year.
My GF is American so I'm pretty used to contrasting the two systems when talking to friends and family from the States. While there are up and downsides to both a '2 party' system and the Dutch political buffet, I'd argue the 2 party system in the U.S. is functioning much worse. You simply don't have the breadth of political discourse, and are left debating a small corner of the available political spectrum of ideas misleadingly framed as 'left' vs 'right'. It's almost ironic how polarized Americans have become, without politics even emulating the cultural divide in terms of policies. When a 3rd party does run, like The Green Party, few Americans are usually aware of the option, let allone comparing the platforms side by side. Not to mention I often hear people arguing against a 3rd party vote, characterising it as a wasted vote, which is made true if by the Winner take all reality of US elections.. I've also often heard the accusation that a 3rd party vote is responsible for, as an example, Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016, as per consequence Trump. I tend to argue if Clinton wanted your vote, she should have earned it, not assumed it. But more relevant; a free democratic people should be able to freely choose who best represents them, why limit yourself to the shiniest of two turds? Since, imho, neither the Democrats nor Republicans have in recent decades chosen to serve the American people with their political platforms - prioritising business instead, I think this analogy is accurate: when your only option is either coke or pepsi, you'll all end up with Diabetes. 3rd Party 2024! Anyone..?
As for the Dutch system. As the video accurately describes, in a land of 17 million opinions, it presents us with challenges when it comes to finding common ground. If every party represents a niche political demohraphic, it usually applies that they have niche political stances they can't break from without compromising their identity and upsetting their base. A good example, imho, are the religious parties (Christen Unie, SGP, CDA) but also the party 50 Plus(read 50 years and older party). These parties essentially have dogmatic principles they can't negotiate/be flexible as it is almost synonymous with their political identity. Examples could be Gay marriage or euthenasia/end of life choices for the religious 2, or the inevitable increase of our retirement age for the 50 Plus party. You can afford to be uncompromising when you rule with a majority or a few reliable parties. But when you need 5 or more parties to agree on every policy proposal, it can be very difficult to create a cohesive sensible governing plan through all the exceptons like 'I can't budge on anything thats costs farmers' or 'we'll support privatisation of X, if you withold votes in favor of 'end of life' legislation for this political term'. It can give a tiny minority an extreme amount of (undeserved) leverage on specific but sometimes significant issues.
At the same time, call me a hypocrit, I myself vote for , at first glance, a niche issue party. This being the Party of the Animals, not mentioned here, but counting 6 seats in the results atm. One of the better potentials in our system is the room for new ideas to rise to relevance. The rise of green oriented parties have surely made Rutte and the VVD more moderate/realistic about the inevitability of sustainability being a main political theme for decades to come. Again, imho, the Party for the Animals (PvDD) has one of the most consistent and on point pro climate attitudes, beig the only one that has always been transparant about the biggest contributor to our emissions; livestock. Not to mention, the niche interest of animals is truly the only one demographic which has no vote with which to award representation. Perhaps relevant to add we are a ridiculously large producer/processor of livestock relative to our population/country size.
Final point: this video is a great summary despite the complexity of dealing with so many parties. Having different political platforms and interests is great, but I know plenty of people who vote with a modest to superficial understanding of the political menu.The Netherlands too is culturally polarising, I don't think a vote allone can adress that.
I saw it was going to be a video about the dutch ellections, I click and it starts with Mark Rutte talking. I thought, that is not how they usually do their videos by immediately throwing the viewers into the subject. It took a couple of seconds to realize it was just the starting ad (based in the Netherlands so that happens).
I had the same ad and the same confusion
Same here
I have TH-cam Vanced on my phone to block ads and use uBlock Origin on my computers (plus a network wide PiHole to block most ads in general). You could try looking into these options
I had the exact same ad wtf
VVD is buying up a lot of comercial time its everyfuckingwhere
P.S. you didn't really talk about *how* this could impact the EU...
One big thing is that the VVD is leaning *heavily* into Rutte becoming the PM if they win. Their whole campaign is basically; "We have Rutte, you like Rutte, vote VVD". So if the scandals and other things causes his political career to collapse, the VVD is set to lose a massive amount of support.
Its very unlikely that Rutte will do something drastic relating to the EU he has worked with it for over a decade as PM and if you include ministerial experience he is even more prepared for it.
I do agree that the VVD will lose seats after their leader leaves he is an extremely savvy politician and know how to read the winds of public opinion. His PR campaign is legit one of the best I have seen. he presents himself during his work as an experienced, boring and upstanding politician. He used his bike when he handed in his resignation (Basically every Dutch person has or is using a bike to get to work or school). Although he was planning to step down or at least that's what it looked like in 2019 but a good enough replacement wasn't found.
@@ruairi4901 [Citation Needed]
Tiax Anderson
Please read my citation
Impact on the EU, might be a follow up video?
Tiax Anderson
I keep trying to post my citation but TH-cam keeps deleting it
The great thing about Dutch multy-party elections is everyone gets to feel like a loser
Im from Holland and its very true
Why do THINK IT is THE LOWESTCOUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🤨? CAUSE WE ARE ALL LOW-LIFES TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING!
except for the VVD apparently
AINT THAT THE TRUTH IM STILL BITTER
@@loveboxinglucky1716 you joke, but as a brit I am literally raging from envy.
The irony of Rutte and the VVD complaining about the market mechanics in healthcare, when it was he who implemented them.
Well you can implement something but it can turn out different than you expect or want. It's not so clear cut.
@R Yeah but that also means they did it to improve the system. They didn't willingly put people in harm...
@R This is your original comment:
"They're vultures who will never take responsibility for their own fuck-ups. Once the economy is doing better again, they'll prvatise even further."
The fact they already said the current system needs to be changed when they themselves put that system in place is about as much of an admission of a mistake you'll get from a politician.
If they say one thing and to the opposite sure call them on their bullshit. But something were they tried something and failed and want to change the failed system isn't something rock solid to beat them with. The world isn't so black and white.
The centerright VVD is basically comparable with senator Romney from the States. Charming fellow, knows what he talks about, but his policies will make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
It was Balkenende who did that, lol.
A lot of people blame Rutte for shit he never started.
As a dutchman I need to say you have done an excellent job puzzling this out. Even nuances are well placed. Almost thinking you have a dutchman on your research team. This is difficult to get as most of it is in dutch and very difficult to translate! Well done
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 u ok man? need a hug?
The Dutch are in every country in the world. They are the dominate etnicity about to take over and make the world a taller place!
@@sklitterbeer106 He has a point go look at Londonistan.
@@pauljohnson1664 sorry I only know verwegistan 😪🤣 but apparently I'm not even dutch anymore, i am moroccan, Indonesian and surinamese 🤷
Fortunately, TLDR didn't pick up on our cunning plan to turn the Northsea into a polder. The fools!
Such an awfully good piece of journalism this is. Well informed, the right amount of detail and interpretation. Well done.
"The Dutch system is quite unique". Isn't proportional representation the dominant voting system in Europe? It's your British system that's unique.
There are many unique election systems in national level. EU parliament election systems are a bit more similar because EU requires proportional elections.
Many countries like France and Britain use first past the post similar to the US, while the Dutch system is completely proportional, although German's system comes close it's not the same.
Touche'
British system is very common throughout the world. Dutch system is unique, deal with it.
Most countries in Europe have a mixed electoral system(i.e. some combination of plurality and proportional).
Voters: So are you left or right?
PVV: *Yesn’t.*
Similar to the Nazis, most socially conservative extremists are also economically extreme socialists, the “far right” is usually very similar to the “far left”.
@@josephnicholson troll.
Economically left, socially right.
There's a myth that they are economically left, but this often isn't the case when you look at their actual voting record on bills. These parties like to portray themselves as being concerned with the poor (but non-immigrant) people, but their voting record betrays them.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 Horse shoe theory, troll.
I love how this video didn't actually touch upon how the Dutch election could impact Europe's future at all
Lol same
It's click bait that's why. The Netherlands does not have a big impact on EU future at all.
@@joshirosenda6931 wouldn’t say we are the MOST important country. But I’d say that due to our neutrality in international politics (over the last 100 years) we managed to acquire a relatively important position in the EU, especially when compared to countries similar to ours in size.
You have saved me 14 minutes of mine live I couldn't ever repay you ✨🙏
It also spreads misinformation about how our system really works. We actually vote on a person who will represent our vote. This person does not have to stay a member of a group (party) to keep representing you.
As a Dutchie I have to say this video was very well done, only thing is you forgot to mention the other 20 smaller parties lol
NOS had ook geprobeert die kleine partijen uit te leggen... waren een uur bezig weet niet of dat een goed iedee is voor deze video LOL.
@@soo-jinpark1737 Was ook meer als grap bedoeld
@@MrDaantjuh13 nee k snapte m bedoelde meer van al zou ie dat willen ben je wel LANG bezig.
You call yourselves Dutchies?!?
@@gloriac.2795 i mean when you can speak the language youre pretty much there already
Haha! Nobody expects the Dutch Coalition!
…or *G E K O L O N I S E E R D*
vvd d66 and cda again. And no not Virgil Van Dijk! Goddammit! hahaha
This.Is.Epic.
They hate kids!
@@sharmi9891 source?
the right VVD party is in some ways more left than like half the dems in America. LMAO
When really put next to each other, I can see the VVD, especially in coalition with center parties, as more left then US democrats.
Just not boasting about left things they won't do anyway.
They are certainly more left, just less "progressive" (for lack of a better word).
@ Dunno man most democrats aren't very progressive at all and are just as socially conservative as well, conservatives.
America's parties are just extremely right (Republicans would fall of the left-right spectrum for many (all?) European countries and the Democrats are also very right for us), only Bernie Sanders would fit in
Strange dutchies
Watching this video as a Dutchie in election time means: getting 8 political ads during this video. 😅🙈
heeft u gehoord van ublock origin
@@TheSuperappelflap Ik gun de creators die ik tof vind graag hun advertentie-inkomsten.
@@Jlnkht hahaha ja de mensen krijgen echt 0,0000001 cent per ad die je kijkt, je kunt beter geen ads kijken, 1 uur extra werken per jaar, en dan dat geld doneren. de enige die geld aan je oogballen verdient is google
Brave webrowser. Goed voor de privacy. En ingebouwde AdBlocker.
me: walks into a polling station in the Netherlands
“here u go, sir”
me: is that a bible?
“no, it’s your ballot paper
- good luck.”
Haha
No, it's the covid guidelines. Your ballot is that large box with papers over there
It was a first time my ballot paper was A2 size with a 14pt font making the list. Sadly the brown shirts made progress though. Now we have even more of those fartwits in parliament.
We don’t do bibles here anymore
Yep, our ballot papers are large enough to cover dining tables with.
As a Canadian, I am very amazed by both the number of parties and how the system functions. I would love to have a system like that where I live because it would make the whole prospect of voting very exciting as to see what happens. Also, seeing such varied parties forming their own coalition is super cool to see.
Also, very good production quality of this video; straightforward and easy to understand!
There are about 30 parties we can vote for. It is a nice system, but remember that every party has to make compromises and sacrifices because they have to form a coalition. They can promise you golden mountains, but you get a mountain of shit instead ;) it does make it a somewhat balanced government, the dutch are spoiled with this system and they like to complain.
@@atom6_ I'd say it's because we complain we have great systems. Identifying a problem is the first step to solving a problem after all.
@@atom6_ also we might have a record breaking number of party's in the chamber. I believe we will be getting 17 party's, the highest since 1918
yes i like the system too. there's a bit too many parties and i dont like a lot of those parties (but i dont have to), but the system itself is very fair and even. making sure that there is maximum cooperation and support for everything. it just gets a bit too slow or complicated sometimes
@@atom6_ I think that's a good thing, the alternative is party A gets full control, does a lot of things, 4 years later party B gets full control, reverses all the things..
With this system no party can do very extreme things and most changes are well thought out.
Many people underestimate the possibilities of a wide coalition. It happend before (Paars) and although often maligned and certainly not perfect it worked well and was even remarkably consistent in achieving set goals.
Wide coalitions have the advantage of making any political ideological grandstanding pointless and forces parlement to focus on actual goals and the way to get there: Good ol' polder politics.
And work together in stead of against each other (see for USA for example).👍
Additionaly, didn't Belgium manage to get just such a wide coalition together
@@KevinReijnders93
After a few years of no government.
@@IkeOkerekeNews tbf they're Belgians, I'm always more surprised to learn they actually have a government.
@@KevinReijnders93
Lol.
I’m surprised that the VVD is doing so well considering the recent child welfare scandal
The PM is being called "Teflon Rutte" for a reason.
Most of the people who care about that wouldn't vote VVD anyway. Only a few things really matter, such as keeping the mortgage laws roughly there same and will the avoid major economic upheaval such as leaving the EU. Yes to both? Then we can vote for VVD.
Well, it wasn’t really his scandel to begin with. The problem is the secrecy behind all of it, which might be the actual scandel lurking in the corner.
This whole shitshow of the childcare scandel started back in 2006~2008, so it was the fault of Balkenende IV and V, in which Rutte didn’t play a role in.
The child welfare has nothing to do with the vvd.
It's incompetent tax office employees
Rutte is supposed to know everything thats going on. And they did know. As pm he is responsible. But he has a tactic of laughing things away and washing his hands in innocense and putting the blame on others. It works as he simply gets away with everything he does. Just as simple as vvd voters simply dont care about those people.
Every person votes for a reason, that i understand. but ignorant voting is just as bad as not voting.
Scrolled for some time and since I did not see it yet:
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Ah yes, this is in fact mandatory. Zeer episch broeders, maar nu hopen op een goede coalitie.
Someone had to do it. Cheers
Dat soort termen word toch door bij1 en GL stemmers rondgesmeten?
Video idea: paneuropean parties such as volt. Also fairly relevant for regional and national elections. Volt for example entered multiple coalitions in cities here in germany
They're also on the way entering Dutch Parliament. TLDR forgot to mention this.
How about making it a video of Paneuropa vs Nationalist, and the upcoming divide?
@@hendrikdependrik1891 Mhm and the Pirate Party as well, although they arent likely to get a seat.
That would very interesting. Volt entering the second chamber could have a massive effect on following elections throughout the EU.
I'm from Italy 🇮🇹 is very unlikely but I hope one day Volt will win some seats.
The VVD have commited a large amount of scandals over the years however....including cutting on healthcare and closing down hospitals.
But they will be the biggest ones again. I'd rather have VVD then those leftwing parties that promise mountains of gold and don't deliver when they actually have to do it.
@@luuk3828 Can't deliver mountains of gold when you are not in the coalition.. Rutte has been prime minister for over 10 years now..
@@janolthof2487 Dutch left wing parties are all bark no bite and it has been so for over 20 years now.
They didnt really cut on healthcare, they actually spend more on it than they used to 10 years ago. About 10000000000,- more.
@@highertest riiight lol
Being Dutch I was struck with awe how precise you analyzed the current situation! Bravo young man
Rutte won with D66 and CDM am I right?
@@ozzyferzhh Rutte is VVD and won, and D66 is left wing liberal and they won too.
@@NicoHgl Good, thank you
Slowly going through all european countries can be a great series
Yep, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Italy...
Germany coming up will be cool.
Has to be said: I've often criticised TLDR for the spelling and pronunciation mistakes in their videos, but as a Dutchman, I can say that pronunciation-wise, they got it nearly spot-on in this video. Don't think anyone but a native speaker or somebody who's studied Dutch phonetics for ages could have done better. Credit where it's due, and all that...
Except for the pronunciation 'Rutte'. The u is not pronouced as in 'cup' but rather as in 'hurt'
@@oldebarneveldt5326 Yes, and Klaver isn't pronounced clay-ver either. I'm not saying there weren't small mistakes here and there, but relatively speaking, it was very good.
@The Progressive Curmudgeon The g from that "groen" would be unique and hence quite difficult.
He also said J A 21, its supposed to be 1 word rigt
Let's see how they do when the next danish elections comes up.
You actually explained the Dutch system very well. Even some of the more difficult nuances. That's impressive
If there's anything I've learned in these 11 years it's that nothing can break Mark Rutte. He tried to give 2 billion in tax cuts to essentially two or three multinationals against everyone's wishes and all expert advice, failed, and then still went his merry way for another four years.
He cam fuck up any time and any way he want and will get rewarded everytime insane
Maybe it's because the media is too soft on him? From a Flemish point of view, someone like Rutte would never become prime minister in the first place. He's too afraid to take up the role of a leader, never taking responsibility of his actions, always saying he has to do stuff because he's the prime minister, not because he wants them to happen. That's not how you act as a prime minister, that's how you act as team leader during a school assignment.
And where did Unilever go? Yes to the uk
Team Rutte stepped down after a big fraud cause were many people were serious effected by and now forgotten in one week . So many suicides and Rutte knew about The scandel . Now the claimed they would leave the parlement but here we are It all was a game for them and no remorse what so ever . Rutte is a good example of a psychopath in power working for the EU
Mr. Teflon himself!
I love how someone om this earth thought: “Yess, we’re explaining Dutch politics” kuddos to you!
Onkel Maurice, this was your wish all along wasn't it.
The VVD really isn't a great party for the healthcare a lot of hospitals had to close under his responsibility!
a lot? i know of only the one in the flevo polder, it is stil one to many of course
@@PWattson2 volgens mij zijn er in de afgelopen jaren echt iets van 5 ziekenhuizen gesloten
@@PWattson2 ja ze hebben ziek veel op zorg bezuinigd, veel meer dan ze zouden doen (en veel meer dan nodig was)
VVD sucks indeed
The VVD was a big influence on this privatization of healthcare (though they didn't start it, that was the CDA-led government iirc) and are now just trying to fix their mistakes before it might cost them voters next election.
Hey an election i can vote in!
Vote!
Same!
It shouldn't really surprise you, because if you can vote in it (as can I) then you've already received the card that authorizes you to vote in the coming 3 days.
@@Apollorion i ment that there cover an election i can vote in. :P
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 The answer to that question all depends on how you define _Dutch people_ and _living_ and _the Netherlands_
This is a very good explainer. Maybe you could have mentioned Volt, as its very relevant to the EU and are polling increasingly well in recent weeks.
The Pirate Party is at least equally relevant to the EU, as they have 4x the seats in EU Parliament compared to Volt, and they are actually already elected into the parliaments of several EU countries.
Vote Volt ✌️
@@MelchiorPhilips they are not a European party but a collection of copy cat movements.
If you call the Pirates a pan-European party, you could call the Greens or the social democrats that as well.
@@MelchiorPhilips The Pirate Party isn't attracting a lot of votes here in the Netherlands. It's too left-wing for our liking and it has been quite unstable. To get an idea: The alt-right FVD came into existence due to a split-up of the Pirate Party.
VOLT in that regard is way more stable. They don't have internal conflicts and if people look into the party program and how the politicians are acting in national TV shows (not in the old-fashioned way, but on TH-cam like NOS op 3), they look quite credible and a party with experience. Poller Maurice de Hond, who is still the benchmark for exit polls, is giving VOLT 3 seats at the moment.
What are their policies?
As a Dutch person, I'm very impressed with the level of detail in this video. Spot on!
Ik ook! ✌🏻
As a Dutch guy it hurts how people still tend to vote VVD. They have been the most scandalous party the last 10 years in a row. In 2021 it turned out to be the CDA.
At least you have a better chance to vote them out with you PR voting system. Here in the UK its very difficult
That always happens to any party that are in power for a long time.
Who would have thought that the party in charge of the country in the last ten years would have dealt with most scandals. 🤦🏼♂️
Most people in the Netherlands disagree with you. Most people hate parties like FVD on the right and parties like GroenLinks on the left. D66 and VVD don’t get that much hate besides last year
@@MfromN Me punt is dat een partij dat 10 jaar aan de macht is uiteraard met een aantal schandalen te maken krijgt. Dat is onvermijdelijk, beleidsmatige en menselijke slippers zijn natuurlijk en horen altijd bij regeren. Men moet niet alleen focus leggen op die schandalen, hoe erg het ook is, maar ook kijken naar wat de VVD bereikt heeft de afgelopen jaren. Naar mijn zin zijn ze nou ook niet heel super bezig geweest maar toch was onze werkeloosheid het laagst van heel Europa en heeft Rutte oa de vluchtelingen deal er doorheen gewerkt.
As much as I criticised your last video on these elections, this one was excellent. I was surprised by how many of the little issues and nuances you mentioned. Great job!
Having a multiple party system is great! No winner takes all BS, and all people just being represented as best as possible with regards to their individual preferences.
As an american, I agree with this so much haha
Except its not, you need power to get stuff done
Mistakes are made sure but the constant vetoing will just delay and hamper any change
Everyone has a side theyll fight for someone needs to overpower them
@@jimbojimbo6873 Not in practice. In practice it works great, and parties make deals on how to work together, so a lot of stuff is actually done. Whereas in America not a whole lot of stuff is made to change...
Ew ancap
I love these kinds of videos; its election time!
what they dont tell you is how none of our political parties are willing to tackle the actual issues threatening us in the netherlands; housing bubble, people coming here from north africa and middle east to draw welfare checks and not work, the complete dissolution of the welfare state, rising costs of living, stagnant wages. no they just peddle rivers of bullshit.
It always makes me chuckle a little when I see someone socialized in the anglo-influenced political systems a little confused by right-wing parties not being neoliberal.
They have to appeal to the old ppl and workers/unemployed after all
They are pretty neoliberal though.
All very possible. I don't know anything about Dutch parties.
I was just commenting on the slight confusion about a party that's supposedly right wing but not neoliberal.
The VVD used to be extremely neoliberal. Now that they have basically achieved the party goals, they have mostly shifted to liberal conservative.
PVV and FvD are fascist parties. FvD was even in the news because they had nazi messages in their private app group.
PVV literally wants a ministry for ethnic cleansing.
And wrapping some slightly socialist ideas in an extremely racist package? Where have we seen that before. They're fascists.
Except nothing will change. The Netherlands is firmly committed to the EU. International trade is our bread and butter and we make a lot of money thanks to European integration.
@@ishaannag4545 Why?
@@ishaannag4545 why? how could it possibly be of interest to you?
@@ishaannag4545 Yes, i am pro EU. I like peace and prosperity
As a politically involved Dutchie I have to say you did a great analysis of our election race.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 no thats right wing propaganda
@@mikees9959 google ''''demographics of the Netherlands'''', go to the wikipedia page and see for yourself, because Yew Tube does not allow me to paste the link here.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 did you read your own link? 13.196.000 out of 17.282.00 are ethicly Dutch
@@mikees9959 Ethicly even more 😉 and let's leave ethnicity for what it is.
Some spybots are mingling.
But TLDR forgot DENK and the SGP, both will have some seats.
En 50+...
@@mikees9959 Buddy, the way immigration is going right now Dutch people will be a minority in their own country at the end of the 21st century.
VVD with their coalitions with leftist and progressive parties is not doing anything about it. Only right wing parties like PVV, FvD, SGP, etc. want to do something about this huge problem.
You should consider covering every government election in the EU.
This video is an exceptionaly good summary of the dutch elections. Mad respect
Better than all Dutch videos on the topic in fact...
TLDR news is really keeping up with their neutral stance. Splendid job.
Volt is polling at 3 seats now. A video about this pan-european party would be super interesting!
Very good idea! They are running in different countries.
Hahah is that the party with the "Stem Volt, want de andere partijen bereiken ampère watt" catchphrase? Don't really know much about them but it made me chuckle
Vote PVD
@@infowarrior75 that party doesn't exist
@@Lillith. Those 3 letters are commonly used enough to think that lol.
Or its a FvD spammer and made a typo, which would be even more hilarious.
The majority of Rutte's votes are because he is "charming" and "so normal" and because he cycles to work. Everyone's used to him.
ja maar wie wil nou weer geen premier die naar werk fietst zoals de rest? en als jij dat zo erg vindt, op wie ga jij dan stemmen?
The Prime Minister and the biggest party get the biggest free advertisement that exists.
A very large share of the population votes for him because
- They know him
- They are already the biggest
- With him as a leader things "weren't all that bad", so they vote for him again.
The last few prime ministers and their biggest parties went away because of massive screw ups last times. But apparently, the screw-ups of the VVD haven't been deemed big enough by the population.
@@fgconnolly4170 iemand die niet het hele land kapot maakt voor niets
he's a good and sound leader, has a no nonsens approach to his job.
@@ER-hp2yc wajoo!! wie ga(zou) jij dan stemmen
As a Belgian student watching the elections, I can say that a cente-left coalition is not unfeasible even if it requires 7 coalition partners. Here in Belgium the new "Vivaldi" (according to the 4 colours of the seasons reflecting the party colours) consists of 7 coalition partners to make a cente-left coalition.
It'd be nice to see a change of course for the Netherlands towards a bit more of a progressive stance after seeing inequality rise through Rutte's rain.
7 party coalition is a insane number of parties to work together. A that diverse coalition would not a entire term.
@@frederikjrgensen252 It's very much a "Judean People's Front" kind of situation. The Netherlands has a significant leftist presence, but because they're so splintered, they can't get anything done ever since the PvdA shat the bed.
god please no
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 You again? And again with a pathetic statement.
Stop commenting if you don't know about it.
@@frederikjrgensen252 To be fair, here in Belgian these 7 parties could in essence be seen as 4, since 6 of them are 'partner' parties, ie franchophone socialists and Flemish socialists, french and flemish green party, french and flemish liberals and flemish christian democrats.
The VVD shifting away from neo-liberalism? As a Dutch voter I disagree, they are still very very very much neoliberalist
Yes, but compared to where they were, they have moved more to the centre. I guess that was always inevitable, as they changed from a party that always played second fiddle to the CDA in coalitions, to being the country's largest party.
I disagree. Not very very. Unless you are a SP voter. Then yes.
Yeah this is pretty clear by how they’ve shifted the tax burden from a third of tax income coming from citizens to three quarters, where businesses contribute less than a quarter now to taxes. Meanwhile the size of the state has increased. That’s extremely neoliberal because Rutte has essentially shifted the state’s focus to creating markets everywhere and prioritising the interests of businesses above the citizen, believing the gains from this will trickledown to us even though wages for the working classes have been stagnant under Rutte. They’ve been stagnant since Lubbers really
@@Jokkkkke Sorry but I am afraid you have not even the beginning of a clue what you think about politics.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 They are. Again. What’s your point. I am brown. My neighbor is brown.
As i am dutch myself, i can say I am very much impressed how well this explanation was done. My compliments, well done !
Wow, that was hard work, just keeping up with all the parties!!
Kudos to TDLR!!
I am really impressed how you showed the problems we are facing in our politics. Every aspect has been shown and summed up great. Keep up the good work! 👍🏼🔥
I live in the Netherlands and by seeing the video. Wauw you have done your research very well. :)
Great video! You should do one for every upcoming government election in the EU!
Where's VOLT my dudes? They're nearing two seats, if not three. Close to the JA21, it woukd have been nice to mention them.
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@@mricardo96 Hoezo?
In 2019 Rutte proposed to abolish the taxes on dividend. An amount of 1.4 000000000 euro in yearly taxes for the government largely paid by large multi billion euro companies like Unilever. KLM and Shell. They threatened to move their headquarters to London. Mr Rutte is a former employee of Unilever.
As a Dutchman myself my reaction was let them go, and start to tax those companies more heavenly. Strip their title "Royal" from them. And shame those companies for their greed. Stop giving them any support because of Covid. Yes it will hurt the people working for those companies but those companies are the first to fire people when they see a profit and give unjustified bonusses to management.
It's a shame volt hasn't been taken into account since they are quite a unique party, and their progressive views are quite interesting
I will be voting for them, I don't need them to win but I want that they get a few seats 🙂
@@sanderlmgent While I'm going to be voting for a larger party, I think Volt is a great choice and encourage those who want to vote for them!
Every party that is standing to win some seats got mentioned except my boi Volt :(
because they suck
Vote Volt ✌️😁
Volt that is financed by George Soros and that wants to replace the indigenous with immigrants? That Volt?
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 sources? If you want to convince people you should share your sources. "Do your own research" won't be accepted. Not sharing any reputable sources probably means you don't have any.
They suck so good
Fantastic video, nice to see a nuanced piece about Dutch politics without the biased reporting like in some Dutch media!
As an American, it's incredibly interesting to me that when it comes to their politics (at least as explained in this video), the VVD and the American Democrats seem relatively closely aligned. I've known intellectually that American politics are extremely Conservative and Right-leaning by the standards of Europe, but this was an extremely stark picture of this fact. And yes, I know that there are those among the Democrats whose policies and values more closely align with the centre or left-leaning parties, but by-and-large the Democratic Party is still fairly conservative.
My government's COVID-19 response has brought into sharp focus everything I hate about the American system of government, so I hope one day to move to the Netherlands.
Here in the Netherlands, and to a certain extent across Europe, we tend to see the two major parties in the US as representing the right and the far right. There is no real political left in the US, as pretty much any left-wing idea, no matter how moderate, falls outside the Overton window.
A lot of Volt fans in the comments i see.
The powerbase of Volt is mainly young adults, and they are the ones that watch youtube so makes sense I suppose.
There are many stupid young people these days indeed.
Volt appeals to young pro-EU progressives. We're on a EU-centered youtube channel.
I'm shook :p
Quite funny for me to see all this.
I've barely heard of volt outside the previous EU elections and only today dived into it as I was still a wanderer.
Convinced me for my vote, now I suddenly see them everywhere.
Wow this is extremely accurate.wasnt expecting that from a non dutch channel
TLDR deadass knows more about our political parties than most people i know combined
Fantastic pronunciation on the surname "Kaag"! As always, great content. Thank you TLDR, for doing what traditional media fails to do.
Well he has to. Otherwise her name is pronounced as gag, just like the controversial last name of her man, al-Qaq.
He nailed "Kaag" so well that I was disappointed how badly he butchered "Klaver"…
Let's not bully the English for their Dutch pronunciation. Our accent often sounds like scraping the inside of your ear with a fork
It wasnt good lets not lie but it was a great attempt
Never heard a non-dutch hold such a great vid about our nation
What about Volt though? They are growing really fast, and not only in the Netherlands. Might be a good video topic :)
VOLT recently also gained momentum in the UK.
Volt wants open borders and wants to replace the indigenous people of the NL/Europe by brown people. Plus is financed by Soros.
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 ♥♥
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 wow a political party financed by a rich person, that never happens!
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 This is a racist viewpoint. In fact, opening the border for migrants would help mitigate the effects of the aging population.
I wish you would've mentioned Volt Europa, the European Federalist Party. It seems like they're going to get at least 1 seat and possibly 2 or even 3. This would be a huge succes to them and could maybe make the party gain popularity in other countries as well.
I like volt, but with them in the ‘2e kamer’ the left becomes even further split...
@@Alfa-uu7zb The European Federalist party is left wing in NL? That seems weird since the EU is such a neoliberal organisation completely focused on free trade on the internal market.
@@Theorimlig Yes they’re center-left, just like D66. In The Netherlands it seems that being pro EU is left and the center-right and right parties aren’t fond of EU and some are against EU.
@@RealConstructor Interesting. In Sweden only the right wing (anti immigration) populists want to leave, the left party (ex communists) used to want to leave but have pretty much abandoned that position. All the other parties in the middle seem satisfied with the status quo, but none are very enthusiastically pro-EU or at least talk about it very much.
@@Theorimligit's kind of the same in The Netherlands the Socialists and the far right parties are against the EU the rest is kind of"meh"about it. Exceptions are D66 and Volt who are clearly Pro-EU.
After moving to europe, this is the first time I can vote and I was so confused about the whole process but you helped simplify it and make me excited to go right now and vote.thank you
Surprising that they didn't mention Volt. 🤔
Well I think its not surprising. Volt is still a small new party in the Netherlands and is unlikely to have significant impact on the elections.
I'd like to see a more europe oriented party in our government though.😉
@@niekvandermeijden4199 small for now, but with 120 new members every day we're in the elevator and going up 😉
Besides, you gotta start somewhere, no party arrives on the political scene at the top.
Actually, that isn't as surprising as you may think... This year's election _may_ have Volt successfully take their first seats in Dutch Parliament. What with all the kerfuffle over FvD, and Ja21 basically having sprung from that whole mess, I found it more likely for TLDR to mention them in all of this, than to mention Volt. Where Volt is already a well-established party in some member states in the European Union, in the Netherlands. they basically are anything but.
@@slashtiger1 well, we have to start somewhere and even a single seat will count as a toehold.
@@slashtiger1 I am Danish and I can tell you they are not well established in Denmark. They are trying to get signatures to run in the next elections. But they have not managed to get any at all.
compliments to TDLR for trying to stay as unbiased as one can. As a Dutch political science student I do have some minor issues regarding details I think missed, but overall they did a wondeful job covering a foreign country with a different language! Research is obviously harder if news is hardly available in the language one speaks, but nevertheless they succeed. I'd almost be jealous that I'm not a part of the research team haha.
Health issues is not the VVD, the VVD is the reason why Healthcare went wrong here because they had budget cuts
serious question to non-dutch viewers:
Did you get any of that? This is so information dence with so many names. It was very ambitious of TLDR to try to explain this clusterfuck in 15:00 I'd be inpressed if anyone could follow.
I got a decent amount being a non eu student studying in the Netherlands. The party names and leaders are familiar from the news. still confusing though.
@@zacherymccann491 Yea, especially last couple of weeks now we got blasted with party adds and debates.
It's pretty easy once you can place all parties on the spectrum. The problem with the leftwing parties is indeed that they are too similar. There is no left-wing slight conservative (like the Danish Social Democrats which are the size of the VVD there). That's the party I'm really missing.
@@Jajalaatmaar Yea, i always tought our left wing was kinda flavorless. IMO the best left wing parties are among the smaller ones.
@@Jajalaatmaar hard agree. GroenLinks, D66 and PvdA could easily band together for a progressive centre-left party, they all care for moderate economic equality, progressivism and the environment and its really hard to distinguish either of them. I often see most voters switching between either 3. Combined they would receive the most votes.
To my fellow dutch people, don't forget to vote if you are able to. Whatever side you're on, letting your voice be heard is important!
no its not it doesnt do anything VVD will win again and 4 more years of Rutte and his cronies stealing all our tax money
TheSuperappelflap VVD will most definitely win. And yes, you will have to pay taxes to the government. But you have will have some modicum of control of how the tax money will be spend. Even if the party you choose to vote for ends up in the opposition. Not voting doesn't help your party. Either way, have a good day.
@@TheSuperappelflap Jouw stem kan naar Rutte gaan als je niet gaat stemmen. Is dat wat je wilt ? :)
@@TetsuoNL je stemt toch voor rutte, maakt niet uit op welke partij je stemt lol. ook al stem je fvd of pvv wordy rutte alsnog weer premier en die partijen gaan toch alleen oppositie voeren wat niks doet. ik weet niet wat jij rookt dat je denkt dat stemmen nog zin heeft in dit land maar het is zo te zien sterk spul :P
I'm 17 :(
6:03 - "Christian conservative social values" is a misnomer here. Because it's DUTCH conservatism. CU doesn't oppose gay marriage for instance.
But they are against abortion, euthanasia and are pro parents needing to sign a paper stating their child is not gay in order to be allowed into certain schools. Sounds kinda "christian conservative" to me
Any woman who becomes a leader without using the ‘first female leader’ argument will have my full support
Yup i vote for policies, not genders
literally every female politician in the netherlands pulls this card 20x every day
@@TheSuperappelflap exactly my point
Except for Marijnissen and Ouwehand
It's probably why they shifted their campaign. It was soo stupidly heavy on that, whilst in the meantime Hoekstra doesn't even know his own program as he came in so late.
How dare you inlcude JA21 but not VOLT the fresh new pan Europeanen socially liberal political party. Which will make it's entrance into the national parlement here in the Netherlands in just a few days. Look into it if you will
@Thijs1888 They're currently polling 2-3 seats, same as JA21
@G M Your opinion
A few seats this year and a few more next time 😉 Vote Volt ✌️
@G M And other parties don't consist of the elite? Sure I don't like the politicians behind the party that much (or politicians in general) but their policies sound good imo.
@@jasperschlief Only the "absolute joke" and "spoiled" statements. The other statements are all fact-based and can be fact-checked. :)
(Not saying those statements are true though, i didnt check.)
Appreciate the video with no clear bias.
Wow. I would really like to see more of these kinds of videos. God job!
im dutch and 75% of the stuff in this video is untrue or completely irrelevant compared to the actual issues. here's the actual issues: stagnant wages, exploding housing market; import of uneducated people from north africa and middle east; corruption; drugs; tax dodging, etc.
literally none of our political parties even plans to do anything about anny of these issues. our system has completely failed.
Important to note that its not only the vvd that is governing but 3 other parties aswell
They did mention the current coalition
not in reality, in reality the VVD is the only ruling party. on paper the others have something to say but not really.
@@TheSuperappelflap are you dutch ?
i like how you updated the VVDs (very recent) shift away from neoliberal economics. Something many Dutch don't know
Its still all aesthetics for now. Under Rutte, the tax burden went from one-third covered by citizens to three-fourths. That would have to change radically if we're going to no longer call Rutte a neoliberal
People can vote also on the 15 and 16th of march. Although this is mainly for old people or people with a health problem.
You've completely forgotten about VOLT in this video. They're expeced to gain 2-3 seat in parliament. The same as another newcomer which you have mentioned, JA21.
Maybe he is keeping Volt for a seperate video?
I hope volt wont ge an single seat
if you add every new party that doesnt have any seats in current parliament the video would be 8 hours long
This is a very good summary of the current political situation in the Netherlands n
"His political exploration date"? Did I really hear you say that.
According to the polls the Volt party may get a place in the Dutch parliament. Volt is not only a national party but also European one. I think this is a nice topic for a video.
Volt is both a national and a European party
@@limburgishmapping7166 One seat is not that huge when there is limits for getting in to parliament
A first seat as a first step on a road that has just begun 😉 Vote Volt ✌️
@@frederikjrgensen252 Getting a seat as a new party is great, since most new parties go through several elections before getting one (if ever).
If I counted correctly there are 42 party's and 15 of them are in the 2 chamber.
This really is surprisingly accurate and complete - it honestly explains Dutch politics better than most Dutch programs have done. Really well done! I’ll also add that you have done a surprising amount of constitutional research. You know you’ve done well when a constitutional lawyer can’t identify a single flaw - kudos! The only thing I could possibly add is that difficulty forming a coalition isn’t necessarily problematic - if necessary, a minority government may be formed. Most likely, however, a government will be formed that carries a very, very small majority in the second chamber without necessarily having a senate majority. That needn’t be too problematic, considering particularly the FvD has fragmented in the senate.
The main question that’s predicted to play a major role is whether or not VVD will be able to form a more right-winged government or not. If not, groenlinks is likely to at least be invited to the coalition talks. PvdA is also a good option for that route, though the last time they did, they were severely punished in the 2017 elections.
On the right side, JA21 is the only realistic option for a government party. Generally, a government leaning more to the right will at least require the CDA. CU is an option, but will generally clash with VVD and D66 on some of the more progressive issues, especially the medical-ethical ones (such as assisted suicide).
Generally speaking, a right-wing coalition will not be possible - even if the PVV did join, that would sooner lead to leftist economic policy. I think a centre-left government is, therefore, unavoidable. The question remains how much the VVD is willing to yield in order to govern - especially since VVD-voters generally don’t want another “left turn”. It will be interesting!
yea this whole formation situation can lead to a belgium record breaking talks :D time to get the popcorn
So whatever the outcome. The one thing we know is the voters don't know which coalition they are voting for in advance.
Well, it might be the case, but better than in the UK when you don't know in advance whether your vote will count at all if you would like to vote on Lib Dems or on Greens
You don't vote for a coalition anyway. You vote for the party that will push the country in a direction you prefer. And you set your expectations to take into account possible compromises as a result of coalitions. As long as they get into the second chamber they can propose laws, even if they're not in the governing coalition.
Cool to note, this election has a lot of new parties entering the government (most likely), most notably Volt, a pro EU party entering with 3-4 seats!
Why does it look like all the parties created their logos on PowerPoint 2003?
Maybe they did... ;)
A lot of these logos are actually significantly older than 2003, so who says Microsoft didn't copy Dutch political parties? 😂
You're not wrong though, most of them are a bit uninspired, but they are instantly recognisable, and that is probably more important to the parties using them. I will say though that the PvdA's logo is a major exception: That one is a stylised rose, but if you look closely, you'll see the innermost petals of the rose actually form a fist. Two very potent social democratic symbols in one well-designed logo there.
@@rjfaber1991 Huh, never realised that about the PvdA!
The logos of the larger parties were designed over 50 years ago. (save for the PVV who have no excuses)
@@rjfaber1991 That's quite interesting, I didn't notice that. Just want to put it out there, I mean no disrespect, just keeping the Dutch on their toes. Big love from Britain.
I enjoyed the video but why wasnt Volt mentioned? If any party is relevant to the wider EU it would be Volt
because its a new party and there are about 800 new parties so the video would be very long if covering them all
Imagine living in the USA and having only two parties to choose from.
I’ll be voting for either GroenLinks or Volt, probably the former, but honestly if there are second elections, I might go for D66, just to get Kaag into office instead of Rutte. Right now that’s not very realistic though.
I agree. It’s not my first choice but if we can get D66 on top the left will finally be able to have some say in things.
If I was dutch I would vote Labour
I feel like GroenLinks is a bit too populist, im voting volt, as D66 didn't really live up to my expectations before
reduce cattle stocks by half though? Do they want to destroy farmers or something? Is meat from south america and imported milk really a better option?
@@slome815 70% off products generated from farmers is meant for export. The Netherlands is the second biggest country in export for these products. (In absolute numbers). Most countries are more dependent on us than we on them...
Hoekstra is absolutely no experienced figure in politics. He became finance minister at the request during formation. He also states that hes more a executive than a politician, hence why he didnt want to become head of the cda
I think CDA could change leadership still. Omtzigt is more popular with the voters, especially those in the east side of our country where most of their voterbase is.
my papa is Dutch, and he says he usually knows which party to vote for and its simple. but he said this time round he's actually had to do proper research on it because hes conflicted.
Same goes for me, and many others this time! I wish we got 10 votes to spread out over max 10 parties. Then I'd spread my vote over 2 or 3 parties.
In reality, there are no contenders for PM, especially Sigrid Kaag has no chance. Only the PVV could get enough votes to threaten the VVD but even if they win they would most likely not be able to rule since they'd have no coalition partners
You dont need the most votes to become PM. If the VVD cant make a coalition then someone else will become the PM, thus possible contenders.
@@paulkruger5456 True, but realistically speaking extremely unlikely. Up to the point where it isnt even worth mentioning. There is a higher chance of an asteroid impacting the parliamentary building on election day.
Not necessarily. Close to 70% have not yet made up their mind about who to vote on. The polls are could be far from accurate.
@@paulkruger5456 Realistically, if the VVD can't make a coalition we'll have new elections
As a Dutchman, I can vouch that this video is better than the news coverage in the Netherlands
As a Dutchman, I can vouch that the muppet show would do a better job covering the news in the Netherlands than the NOS.
This is a great explanation. Well done!
This reminds me, a couple of weeks ago, you guys posted the Political Compass test for us to take. Will you still make a video on the results?