BUY👍 or NOT BUY👎 STORYTELLER OVERLAND, 3 things to consider $157,000 Sprinter 4x4 adventure van🚐
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ADVENTURE VANS built by STORYTELLER OVERLAND (STO) are very popular. Build on the Sprinter 4x4 chassis, the quality and innovation are what makes STO a leader in the off-road camper van segment.
However, there are THREE RV ELEMENTS for you to CAREFULLY CONSIDER before BUYING a STO rig:
Small fridge and freezer
Undersized moveable table
2.6 gallon Porta-Potty (not a real toilet)
You will see comparisons of those CRITICAL RV SYSTEMS to my Winnebago Travato 59G.
Thinking carefully how the floor plan enable WHY you want to RV is very important to avoid costly buyers remorse, in terms of time and money.
HOW IMPORTANT to your RV EXPERIENCE IS a:
Functional TOILET in your van
Large permanent TABLE
Very large FRIDGE & FREEZER?
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Howdy 🤠 My name is Scott. Since February 2019, I have lived, traveled and worked full-time from my Winnebago Travato GL. It is a 21' Class B RV camper van built on a Ram Promaster chassis.
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What must you have and are willing to give up to have the best possible RV van experience? Real fridge/freezer, real table, and real toilet were non-negotiable for me. What about you?! In-Person events posted on www.GoSmallLiveLarge.com. Thx for watching!
Right now it's all I can do. I'll have to rough it a little longer. The minivan is will hopefully be less roughing than a tent. The HOA rules need to change. I'm going to try this summer. I can't move just yet. Just saw a video on a new Coachman Cross Trail B+. I think it's better than the EKKO. That may be an option for me in the future.
I totally agree!!
100% agree...still trying to figure out a mod for the bigger table in my 2022GL lounge area, and to add a second bed...then my van will be perfect...oh ya, almost forgot, also the 4th battery cell for my Volta system!
Yes Storyteller wouldn't be good for full-timing. Good for weekenders & trippers. 4x4 is the only I like about it for off-grid. Expensive van camper.
I totally agree, I need a bigger fridge/freezer and a bathroom is a must. I also love your seats with the table. I do love the layout for the Travato that you have but for me it is still small storage wise for me.
Over the past 3 years, I've watched literally, hundreds of videos on vans, van life, and RVs. Your suggested "test run" is one the best general advice/guidance I've seen. Well done, Scott!
RV manufacturers have only recently started to bring some of the innovative floorpans that have been available in Europe here to America. That's a good thing, but choice requires thoughtful assessment of needs in order to prevent regret.
Apprecaite your comment D Lowe :)
Hey Scott, good topic. I have many thoughts. I might be one of the rare people that have spent significant time in both, so I figured I’d chime in. First off, all class B’s have upsides/downsides, and we have to figure out what’s best for us and our needs. This is more difficult than people imagine.
1). For me, the Travato felt too closed off. I would love that jump seat if it wasn’t so tight and uncomfortable. Someone could make a million dollars if they could figure out a system that rotates it 90 degrees. Like a couch facing out the slider. The groove lounge in the ST does just that.. and it’s literally capable of transitioning to a comfy bed.
2). The Sprinter (144 wheel base) is literally 18 inches shorter, yet feels much more open than the Travato. In addition, I was able to have greater access to storage with the ST garage. In fact, the rear bed converting to a table (for me) was a real game changer. So much space to work.
3). The ST legitimately sleeps 3 people (a couple and a third person).. or sleeps two friends very comfortably, and not cramped next to each other. This was not my experience, or anyone else’s in G Travato.
4). WATER.. the ST water storage, while just slightly above the Travato, enables users to save fresh water because They’re flushing in a black tank. But alas, for many people, it’s all about the “wet bath “. This seems to be a deal breaker with so many people. Believe me , I get it. But dumping a black tank also sucks . Let’s not just conveniently leave that out. Moreover, with only a grey tank to dump, you get to go much longer between dump stations. Not a biggie, but people need to acknowledge that. After months in various class Bs and C’s, is actually spend more money on a operable toilet or composting toilet. I know, crazy… right?? But for me, it’s because I’m not a weekender. Also, the shower in the ST in the roomiest shower I’ve ever experienced in a class B. Elbow room for days because there’s not walls closing you in.
4). We are at the point where we must acknowledge that this is a apples to oranges comparison. People that buy a luxury sedan have different needs than people buying a 4 wheel drive pickup. Mountain roads at 7-8,000 foot elevation in the middle of a snowstorm , forest/logging trails in the middle of monsoon season, etc.. these are places that you just aren’t taking a Travato (for the most part ). BUT, this is a reason why a ST might be a better purchase for sone folks.
5). Last but not least… build quality. I understand that this isn’t part of the scope of this posting . But it’s something that must at least be acknowledged. I truly believe it’s why we’ve seen so many high profile “van life” full timers make the transition to the ST.
By the way, the small fridge does suck. In fact, it’s the same small fridge that it’s in the KL Travato. But with great insulation (better power conservatio), and the same awesome Volta system , you can pack a second massive 12 volt fridge on the floor of the ST garage, and never worry about energy needs. what’s my point?? There’s no perfect class B. Everything is a damn trade off . But it’s important to figure out what’s best for you.
Merry Christmas, brother. Happy new year .
Just a small correction here…the fridge in the ST is not the same as the fridge in the Travato KL. The KL fridge is significantly larger.
I appreciate the correction. The K is just so much smaller than the G, they all start looking the same (dorm style). Man, I do love the G fridge size. If you’re ever bored, take a look at that Coachman Nova C fridge size . It’s pretty darn amazing . Everything is truly a trade off in class C’s. If you love open light and windows, well… you’ve just garunteed everything in the coach will be under counter tops. Which equals smaller fridges. It’s maddening. Thanks again .
Great points you make C W… thanks for sharing !
@@cwheremonster8870 yes, that is definitely the trade off in the K floor plan. It’s hard to find perfection with such limited space. I was hell bent on getting the G floor plan on paper, but when I went to look at them in person, and spent time hanging out in them picturing how I’d use it, the K won me over. Would still have loved to have the G fridge in there somehow!
You saved me writing the same post! Thank you :)
You rock Scott. Thanks for all you do. I like the personal touch you give your review and storys
Much appreciate you Mark
great perspectives. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Did you see this cool video I made for you to Discover Old Florida, Micanopy, th-cam.com/video/nVcYbPEiMCY/w-d-xo.html
Nice video, Scott! Everyone's needs are so different, and it's great that there are so many different vans out there. We've spent a year living full-time in a Winnebago Travato KL and a year full-time in a Storyteller Overland, which is probably something that most people can't say.
We actually found a lot more living space and working space in a Storyteller Overland. Even though it's shorter, it has a heck of a lot more useable living space for us- we have a giant rear work desk where we both can actually side by side to share a meal, another work space with the front lagun table, and it can sleep 3 people comfortably (two separate beds). We also have a huge roof-top lounge to enjoy. I think the record so far is over 20 people partying in one Storyteller! lol
Regarding the bathroom situation- we actually like our bathroom in the Storyteller more than the bathroom in the Travato, but it really depends on how you roll. We HATED dumping our black tank, and living in it full time, the cost and inconvenience of dumping a black tank at dump sites really adds up. It smelled, it broke, and it just wasn't pleasant at all. The 2.6 gallon portable toilet in the Storyteller works just fine for us, and with the halo shower system you can deploy it and get some privacy. Is it a dedicated wet bath? Absolutely not. If you need a dedicated wet bath, then the Storyteller is 100% not your van. BUT, I will say we thought we couldn't live without a dedicated wet bath, and now we love our Storyteller Overland's shower and toilet- it's so nice to be able to store them away and not have it taking up valuable living space in a van. And again, in the Storyteller Paul and I can make use of the entire van all the time, and in our Travato we were really only making use of half the van.
And the fridge works just fine for us- though it wasn't too different from the fridge in our Travato. Functionally it fits all we need (and when we need more, we pull up the grocery store and restock). You can also sit in the groove lounge while you access the fridge so you don't have to squat down or get outside to access the fridge. And Storyteller uses an isotherm fridge whereas Travato uses dometic (and there's a big difference in quality there). We were constantly having to defrost our dometic fridge in our Travato, and haven't had the same issue in our Storyteller.
Honestly though, the biggest difference is the build quality. The build quality and thoughtful design of the Storyteller was night and day compared to our experience in our Travato. Also, we personally don't like staying in campsites- we like getting out into rugged terrain and getting off pavement and off-grid which is what the Storyteller was designed for. The Travato on the other hand was very limiting for us in this regard (especially the ground clearance- why did Winnebago put the Volta batteries underneath the van?!? lol).
This is also reflected in the community itself- I think the Storyteller community on the whole is a little bit more about using the van as a true adventure vehicle (and with meet-ups and off-pavement adventures on a monthly basis there are a ton of opportunities for fun!). The most important thing though isn't what van you're in, it's the adventures you take in it. Looking forward to catching up in Tampa!
Thanks Chad & Paul on your through comments. Always great to hear owners (of both rigs) give their actual usage feedback. Journey ON !
Very well said Chad!
You are so right. I’m on your side!
Sweet !
Travato or Coachman Nova for me. The toilet privacy and larger frig is a must have. Won't be goin anywhere I can't make it with 2 wd. The Coachman Nova 20 C looks very promising to me and the $50,000 savings will greatly enhance further travels !
Very good Charles
I agree with you for all three situations. You clearly articulated the real deal.
Thx Jody
this was great Scott!
Thx Jean
Scott I just love how you don’t pull any punches, direct and to the point like me.
Thx Bert
I was ready to defend STO, using the ultimate weapon that usually defeats all critics: the Volta system.
But your travato has the Volta system, plus the commodities of a regular motorhome.... The best of both worlds.
You left me speechless, you have your mouth filled with common sense and objective, solid points.
No one had before put such a stronger case against the critical weaknesses of the storyteller vans.
Bravo Scott!, you did what defines geniality: to make look like obvious something no one ever noticed (or mentioned with solid arguments) before.
Always loving your interesting points of view displayed rationally and in a fun, clear way.
Greetings from Tamaulipas, México.
Appreciate your comments Jorge !
Hi Scott, I'm with you on this one! I do not regret choosing to buy my 2022GL a single day over the Storyteller! For the same reasons...the only regret I have is not being able to find a 2021GL NP so I can enjoy the same lounge area and the extra power pack on the Volta system. But I still think my Travato is still head and shoulders above the competition for what I want in a B class RV. Once again, nice work! Happy Trails VanBro!
Mesa Mike !!! thx for your thoughts sir :)
I really like the video... thank you for posting. I am a former Revel owner and current STO Beast ower and see the Travato in a different 'class' than what the STO/REVEL are intended for... targeted audiences and such. If you're looking at a Travato type Class B then the Revel/STO should not even be in consideration IMO. That said, I don't 'live' out of my STO (or Revel for that matter)... 2-3 weeks at the most and the fridge/features of the Revel/STO were more than suitable for our needs. Comfortable, efficient, versatile, and capable all at the same time. Last point, we BLM quite a bit and just completed a Big Bend trip this past week, and staying off-grid the entire time with the Volta system was truly a special experience. Thank you again for the video and the Travato looks super comfy!
Great points you make. Glad you enjoyed the vidoe
I am an old woman who does not do adventure 4 wheel driving boondock on the top of mount rushmore sort of person - but the openness of the storyteller and the quality (I am not a home mechanic or diy person with any skills) is what I went for in the storyteller
Scott, I totally agree with you. Clever video, thank you. Happy New Year!
Glad you enjoyed it!
AMEN SCOTT! I loved this vid and am so happy with our 2021 Travato GL. Also, congrats Leslie Peck on your Travato!
Thanks for you note. Travato !
Tell it like it is, Scott!!! Pooping in the woods gets old real fast! Your suggestions for a dry run with tiny fridge, small table, and no bathroom are excellent! Great video. ♥️🚐🚽
Last time I pooped in the woods was in BoyScouts for training!
@@gosmall.livelarge No offense intended with this reply Scott, but you don't spend much time camping in the woods do you? Have you ever gone backpacking? Backpackers staying overnight in primitive locations have no choice but to poop in "cat holes" they dig in the ground or pack it out with them (yuk!). I do think the three questions you raise about features in campervans are valid for potential RV buyers. But realize that there's a big difference between primitive camping in the backcountry and "glamping" in expensive RVs. Dickering over whether a van has a bathroom+black tank versus a fixed cassette toilet versus a portable cassette toilet is just much ado about nothing. The country and its nature is why people go camping. The vehicle is just a tool to take us there.
Did you really hiccup after the word "drink" at 6:25/ I went back several times. Laughed. You can count on me to pick up on these things. :) Great video.
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Hello Y'all from 🇨🇱. Your work is dependably spectacular. BUT, this Texas gal loves your shirt back!!!
TEXAS !!
Scott, absolutely agree. I have same issue with toilet in Embassy RV.
thx Tom :)
Hey, Scott! John from NY (state) here. What about awd (thinking S/O Mode LT) vs FWD? Thanks!
Hi J R . That topic was not on table for that video. But from others I hear AWD is better in the conditions that I drive … city cowboy
This video was perfectly timed for us. We have had a storyteller on the Ford transit chassis on order. My wife watched this last night and this morning we had an honest discussion about the bathroom. We are both older women ... and we decided that we have always loved the Travato GL ... so we took a spontaneous trip to our nearest RV dealership. They had a 2022 gl on the lot with a bike rack and the exact interior we liked. We paid the down-payment and will pick it up in 2 weeks .... and someone who is waiting for a STO LT will be very happy to move up in line! Thanks, Scott!
WOWOWOWOWOW so happy for you both Leslie. Glad I was able to help a little bit.
This is what you do best...logical, candid, take no prisoners view of real life situations and use. Sharing a potty experience with the spouse is a strong mental picture. Thanks for the smiles and practical advice.
thx Robert. seriously appreciate your comment sir
i love you're tavado
Thank you Kimmy! Me too ;)
Entertaining to say the least, Scott! I was howling while I was doing…well…#2 in my Storyteller!! True story, lol!!
So here’s the good news! I’ve owned a Travato G for one year and a Travato KL for two years. I’ve owned my Storyteller for a little over a year.
Here’s what I can tell you. There is no perfect van, that’s for sure! Trade-offs and compromises are always lurking around each and every corner.
With that said, the biggest difference between Winnebago and Storyteller is (without question) build quality. There is a distinct correlation between money spent and true quality in my Storyteller. They are not expensive, they are outrageously over-the-top crazy expensive…but…you get what you pay for. There’s a reason why there’s a two year wait for a Storyteller. They take a little extra time in building a superior product. Try hanging on an overhead cabinet in a Winnebago. That’s the difference.
What amazes me most is what we, as consumers, accept as a quality product in the RV industry. Some of these rigs are already falling apart on the dealerships lots. Completely unacceptable and why I decided to take the plunge with my purchase of a Storyteller.
I have most of the Canyon Adventure stuff in mine so my garage is outfitted with the flip up seats and storage under the bed/table. It’s massive!
I’m two people at most in my van so the fridge has never been an issue for me. Like all experienced RV’ers, you learn how to drive efficiencies into your day to day. That also goes with how best to pack a refrigerator. Lastly, if given a choice, I prefer fresh food every few days if possible. The fact that I can zip around quite easily in a 19 foot van also makes it easier to hit up the local farmers market/Whole Foods.
Lastly…the bathroom… or lack there of!
I don’t live in my van. I might take it out more than three days in a row a few times a year. With that said, I’m always in it. It could actually be my primary driver. It’s not, but it could be. The new Sprinter chassis is ridiculous. Again, you get what you pay for.
I have a rule in all of my vans. Pee only…and only pee in the toilet if it’s an emergency. I pee in a widemouth bottle with lid. Why? Because I can…and if I don’t have to dump my black tanks, then I don’t have to dump them. I also carry a Cleanwaste suitcase toilet in all of my vans. I use it internally if I’m alone and if I’m Boondocking, I just throw a quick pop-up tent next to my van and that’s where the business gets done. I guess I’m just lucky in the fact that I’ve never had an emergency in all the years I’ve been RV’ing? Perhaps it’s my diet, lol!
The shower, in my opinion, is awesome! For a 19 foot van, it’s massive. It has no walls.
In the end, there’s no right or wrong answer. It goes back to what’s best for the buyer… but if you’re number one criteria is quality and in my opinion it should be high on your list, there are very few RV manufacturers that are breathing the same air as Storyteller.
Thx for sharing !!!
Forgot to mention that Winnebago dealers can sell class Bs for whatever price they want… Storyteller has fixed pricing across the dealer network for each particular year/model. No one pays 20K more than someone else for a new STO.
video was about the 3 critical RV systems. not a pricing comparison. Thx for watching, commenting, & subscribing :)
Fixed pricing...meaning, no negotiations for a "sale" price? Really? Did not know that!
Starting to shop now ... great video! I care about the fridge but not the table. And I'd rather have a composting toilet than a cassette or black tank holder. Do you have any videos or thoughts on emptying the black tank, cleaning and storing its hose, etc? That's a real turn off for me ... I'll be going full-time and am starting to investigate van builds now and have liked the Storyteller Ford Mode except for the cassette toilet and small fridge. Perhaps you have other models you know of or thoughts for me? Thanks!
Hi David
Heck, yeah, Scott! Those are absolutely the three best things about our Travato GL’s. So glad I got the 2021 model before they ruined the floor plan!
So happy for you Bev. You might have the best year of GL ever !
Scott I agree with you. I love Travato verses the Storyteller. By a long shot. In your van it has room for a bathroom and shower. That’s pretty nice! And you have room to work and sleep. And you had a nice refrigerator with a freezer. Some of these Class Bs they don’t come with both. Thank you Scott for this video and for having the Travato.
Thx Sherri
I don't regret for a minute my decision to buy a 2021 59G, and I made that decision based on your passion for the design. I love my table, love my big fridge, and love having my own roomy toilet and shower. And... my bed, my kitchen, my jumpseat... I couldn't be happier. See you at the drive-in in Lakeland!
Well said! See you soon in FL
Had the Travato and sold it within a year. Reason? The Volta battery box was just a few inches from the ground. I measured it and without my lift kit, a critical component is only three (3) inches off the ground! Your buddy Kevin sold his for the same reason! One of the best-selling points (Volta is king) is inherently misdesigned. I would rather poop on the main street during a parade than break that box open going down a trail with low clearance than suffer damage to the precious lithium batteries. Thank you.
Hi Dave. Volta box is about 6” off ground, but not enough for my comfort either. Have you seen this urban Camping video I did, th-cam.com/video/DamOaRoTs0Q/w-d-xo.html
The Winnebago Revel would be a better apples to apples comparison. I see Travatos and Story Teller really differently. The story teller is marketed towards the off road crowd and Travatos are really not off road capable
for me, the Revel has the same three issues as the STO on the table, fridge, and toilet. Was not comparing 4x4 off road capabilities. Thx T Kemp for watching, commenting, & subscribing :)
@@gosmall.livelarge The Revel with the aftermarket Canyon Adventures GLSS solves for the table question. Yes, still Lagun but you will have more workspace and seat more guests. The toilet is much better than the non-toilet in the STO.
Those reasons along with bed and storage are our reasons for getting our EKKO. The solar /lithium/engine mounted generator are just the icing on the cake for us. 59G was good, but the bed/no lithium-solar/minimal inside bike storage were what made us switch after 3 years.
Ekko!!
Great video! I really like the Travato layout with the social space up front
hi Katy. Thx for watching, commenting and for being a subscriber
Great advice, Scott. We have the Travato KL and the one thing we miss is a permanent table and bench seat. We made our own single post table for the K but are sitting on the edge of our bed to eat. We use the bathroom all the time and find it so convenient to not use public RR especially firing Covid. I could never see having a RV with a porta potty or even a cassette toilet. Agree with you 100%. Our fridge in the K is smaller but still holds a lot of provisions the only thing we dont like is you have to get on your knees to access stuff in the back. A real pain at our age.
Robert thx for watching, commenting, and being a GSLL channel subscriber :) great points you make
@@gosmall.livelarge another point on the fridge. Our K fridge is fine for weekends or even a week but longer trips you need more. So for our 4 week trip out west we had a 52 quart 12v/120ac fridge we used mostly for pop, drinks wine etc. on a week trip we take a small ice cube igloo for drinks to save the K fridge for food.
@@gosmall.livelarge another thought the new EKKO made for 4 season and more longer boondocking ONLY comes with a 5 gal cassette toilet. So you have enough water and gray for two weeks but only a day or two of toilet. How many will just dump the raw sewage on the ground in the woods? WBO then canceled the 25’ EKKO that was going to have a black tank.
This has real comedic value in spots - especially the bathroom stuff. HOWEVER, you make outstanding points. STO's are great if it is a quick few day kind of trip. I can't imagine that the bathroom thing would work for me much more than a few days. The tiny fridge really isn't going hold any quantity of quality foods - ie fresh fruit and vegetables and the like. Great for beer. And to have to wrap myself in that shower curtain would probably drive me nuts. Plus, not being a smaller person, I need the space.
LOL… thx Roger :)
I’ve always had small class C’s with the family but now kids are leaving and thinking van. I can’t spend more than $100k so it’s a used van. I don’t need 4wd but would be great as the two primary uses will be skiing and dirt biking. I do need power to tow motorcycle trailer that will weight 2500lbs. How do you like the pro master? Do you find power sufficient?
Promaster ample peppy in power. Has been a very good chassis for my Travato. Now with 87,000 motorhome miles on it. I would buy Ram again
Those are the very gigs I gave the Storyteller. Yes, it will run a supplemental portable fridge/freezer but why. Two, you can’t fix the toilet situation. I may travel with another guy and he’d sleep on the “Groove Lounge.” Now, one of us needs to #2 like NOW! Try that in a Travato G or a Mode. See what I mean? I’m hunting a Travato GL National Park Edition and he can manage on the dinette conversion. Now, both can access a private toilet. Nice!
Great points bill
This is one of your best videos! Obvious day to day things we need and use all the time...too often overlooked in so many reviews. Fridge: we have friends that own a class B with a fridge that is too small and have to carry a second electric cooler; they initially tried to convinced themselves it was big enough but...no....they now have a cooler that is taking valuable space in a class B...
I'm in the process of having one built or buying one...
Private bathroom and shower: this is not negotiable for my wife and me but for the toilet, I was thinking about a cassette toilet simply not to have a black tank as I hate going to dump stations...but now you have me think about it...
Glad you enjoyed the video Martin
Thank you Scott for yet another excellent video
Very welcome
I think you've given people some good food for thought. I'm going to guess though, that people who are buying an adventure van aren't typically going to live in it. I know some people do, but probably not most. Thanks for the video!
thanks Ryan
I know this is older but have been doing research on class B and just found it. Started looking at revel and now kind of set on Beast Mode. I like the idea of comparing vehicles but this isn’t apples to apples. I think people buy a STO 4x4 for different reasons than buying a 2x4, basically to go where you can’t. Two wheel drive is for parking at rv parks next to the diesel pushers, 4x4 for getting out in the middle of nowhere.
I’m a long haul trucker, been living in my truck for almost 5 years. Maybe take a total of two weeks off a year. Dorm fridge? My life. Small table? 1.5 foot by 1.5 foot. Toilet? #1 in bottles #2 in truck stops but if I’m desperate in a trash bag. Lol. So a little toilet will be a throne to me. But I’m single. The little toilet in the STO is fine. I spend 5 min on the toilet a day doing #2, 10 min on a rough day. Shit or get off the pot.
Table size? Who cares, the reason I’m getting a van is to go off and be by myself.
Fridge? I plan on getting one of those 12v ice chests that have a freezer.
Friends and family say “you won’t be happy in such a small space.” Umm after living in a semi truck that small space is a mansion to me. What I won’t be happy with is living in the same place for more than a month around so many people.
Then there is appearance. It isn’t everything but come on, beast mode/stealth mode vs Travato? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Some just behold wrong.
The moral of this long story is to each their own and don’t compare a mass produced 2 wheel drive to a more niche 4x4. I understand you may have been attempting to say to each their own, but it came off somewhat different to me.
Ok I got a test for you guys, rent a travato for a few days and take it to Moab, run some of the off camber trails. Some of the muddy ones, steep climbs, just to make sure you will be happy getting stuck.
Thx for your challenge, Dexter. I know why I want to travel in a van, and it ain’t’ to run some of the off camber trails or muddy ones. As you say, to each their own. video purpose was to get van folks to think WHY n HOW you want a camper van. Looks like STO is your best option. Thx for sharing
Great points to consider. It is all about how you are going to use the van. I think someone who is going to be using it full-time has different needs than someone using it part time. Like setting up a table each day depends on if you are spending more time inside the van or outside the van and if you are working on the road. If you are doing this part time then it is a shorter term annoyance than if you are living in it full-time. Interesting advice on how to test this out if you are researching a van before you buy. As always you are giving people some helpful things to consider so they can make wise choices.
Thanks Cheri !!
Scott, I see you’re in Palm Beach County. I’d like to offer you a tour of our Storyteller Classic Mode 4x4 and see how we made our decision. We actually did do the research and even had a deposit on a 2021 Winnebago Boldt 4x4. We’d be happy to show you all the reasons we went with the STO.
very gracious of you. send me a note please . GoSmallLiveLarge@gmail. could make a compelling what’s up Wednesday show
I still want my Embassy Traveler I have ordered!
Embassy RV !!!
I hear what you are saying; however, you always have to consider "why" the person would consider such a van. This is why I am considering the storyteller. I have two businesses, and they both include traveling. I'm a mobile massage therapist, so I travel to clients' homes, offices, hotel rooms, and sometimes events. I didn't realize that most people would rather come to me in my area, so I have to have a place for them to come.
The garage area can accommodate my massage table and the bed and lounger. My second business is expediting commercial freight. I can only carry one pallet rather than the standard two pallets, but that's all a pick-up truck can take, and mine is covered. I have to find a way to combine both of my businesses. I'm a pleasure way Plateau, FL or Leisure travel Unity RL type girl. I wouldn't say I like these types of vans.
But I am a practical person too. When I started looking into Van Expedited commercial freight over the road, I quickly realized there was nowhere to sleep, eat or use the bathroom. I have my commercial driver's license but don't want to drive a semi. I won't have to meet the same requirements with any vehicle under 10,000. The semi-studio is very pricey, but people buy them all the time.
You thought things out well Eva. Have you seen my video about Urban Van Camping th-cam.com/video/2lh1bNdZHNM/w-d-xo.html
@@gosmall.livelarge I watch your urban camping, and it's good. Although, I only travel to places to see friends, family, or work. I also rewatched this video and agreed with you two out of three. I'm not too fond of bench seating. When I first started watching DIY conversion, I noticed that the men talked the women into going toilet-less. I was horrified! Mainly for the same reasons you mentioned but also for cleanliness after sex.
Very nice video I learned a lot from you thanks. 1 question can you make a video wish class B is good in the winter for full time RV. I like the 170 extended
going to be tough to do a van in the winter video because I do not take my van into winter weather. Currently am in FL, endless summer, until Feb then heading north into the spring ! great idea you have Javier
Different strokes for different folks! I personally prefer a STO over a poorly built Winnebago.
Good to know. Thx for watching, commenting and being a subscriber
Would be cool to hear your thoughts on the winnebago boldt sometime
Definitely would be nice if the storyteller had a TV option
Boldt is an interesting rig. Thx M M
We love our Storyteller. We use a Thetford 565 toilet, don't need a big table or big frig. We are off road camping which we love.
Our camper is also very well insulated.
So glad you love your STO
Tv table - great idea - don’t like the space consuming permanent table
got it
The toilet is very important. Dumping a cassette can be a very smelly mess. I prefer the actual toilet, especially when paying such a steep price for the van.
I laughed when you showed the TV table. Having the exact same one, I have learned to utilize it effectively, yet if I want to do large craft products or sewing a larger table is required for ease and comfort. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed
To me, having the bathroom is even more important than a table. The idea is if I need to go then I can go no matter what time it is or where I am. Portapotties are little better than squatting over a hole.
I am with your line of thinking
The STO is a nice van. I follow them closely. Unfortunately there has been frequent issues with the MB Sprinter (transmission) as well as their power system (harness). MB service is difficult and not timely to have done at present. At this price point, when a breakdown occurs that strands a customer, STO should send out a tech but they don’t. I’m seeing brand new vans get stranded on the first few trips with months quoted for a repair. Hopefully this will improve post Covid.
Thanks for the info!
It’s about time someone finally gave a counter view of the Storyteller ! Obviously maintenance would be another point scored for the Travato . I’ve been on the fence between the Travato and the Coachmen Nova. I think the Travato’s Volta system may be the deciding factor on this one . Great information as usual!!
Hey Meta. They make a sweet compelling van. Everything I have seen skips over the toilet in particular. Just couldn’t take it any longer !
Actually, STO has the full 12 KW Volta System vice the Travato GL's 8.7 KW. I owned a 2019 Travato GL same as Scot but with sliding windows. I found 7 items needing repair before I even got off the lot and an 8th failed 30 miles from Lichtsinn where I bought it so I had to drive back and spent the day waiting for the part from WGO. I also spent several hours cleaning up Winnebago's rats nest of wiring.
I've seen a number of TH-cam "influencers" who had Travatos and went to Storyteller (Chad & Paul, Yung Wa, Russos, ...). Kevin sold his and fled the country. I have yet to find anyone who traded in a Storyteller for a Travato.
Nationwide search underway!
If you touched the lives of just one person you’ve done your job. Thank you for helping those on the fence to make an educated decision on which one would work best for their travel style.
So appreciate your comment. Made my day !!
I’m with you Scott - you made excellent points. The ST is very bare bones by comparison. Even with its off-road capability, I see the cool factor as it’s primary appeal. Yes, you can get to more rugged places, but it’s still a tall narrow top heavy camper van, and all your crap will be rattling and flying around if you’re on a rough road. If the primary goal is to get to remote spots, a nice 4WD truck with a truck camper would provide more comfort and versatility for less $ IMO.
Thanks for sharing!
hi Scott, cool shirt :) Hey another great video, full of practical information and tips, and very good examples for people to try out. All important points to consider - layout, purpose, cost. Your van seems perfect for you, time and time again, great choice. That fridge is amazing! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
I think you nailed it. Really think about how you would use all these systems. I agree, the refrigerator on many of the Class-B units are way too small. Not just Storytellers. The toilet has to be a private experience so sitting on a porta potty is not for me in such a van. I do like your rig, but I’d have to try the bed with my wife to make sure we could actually sleep comfortably. I also love the size and of you’re table. I do like the Storytellers Volta system being inside the van vs waiting to be hit under the van. Nothing is perfect, but are the systems we depend on perfect enough is the question.
Great points Richard. Thx for watching, commenting, and being a GSLL channel subscriber :)
Hey Scott. Personally I'm looking at getting a Solis Pocket after the first of the year. I love the convertible dinette and the murphy bed setup. I also like that the water system is in the van, I live in eastern Montana. We can see some frigid temperatures here, and it will be just me and my dog. I also like that the Solis Pocket because it doesn't have as many or the complicated RV systems in it. I really enjoy watching your videos
Solis Pocket is a sweet little rig.
Great review and video Scott. Definitely not one of Scott’s picks. Stay safe buddy and have a blessed new year. Cheers!!!
Happy new year!
I agree with you on the fridge 100%. Totally disagree on the table. I much prefer the smaller and removable lagoon table and I’m somewhere in between on the bathroom. I prefer a shower room but would throw in a luggable loo to use as a makeshift composting toilet and just throw my bag out daily. Prefer not to have a black tank to dump or a porta potty to clean. But a private shower room is essential. What I do like about the ST is the groove lounge. Would I buy one? Probably not.
Thanks Sharon for sharing !
I just ordered a storyteller overland van. Once I received it, I will find out... Let's see in 2022.
Let me know if you want to Van Swap one evening. LOL ! Congrats on your STO purch!
Good points!!
Glad you think so!
After giving this more thought, something occurred to me: the toilet issue is the biggest issue for many when it comes to the STO. I don’t own the STO, but did approximately 4 weeks in one this past late summer (also have a Stealth on order)… the issue isn’t having a black tank (or not). Sure it’s a bonus not having the added constriction of the black tank. The issue for most of us (myself included) is the lack of a true cassette in the STO. I never thought I’d like a cassette until I really gave it a go. Now If giving the option, the first thing I’d do with most class B’s is get rid of the black tank, and convert a toilet to cassette or compost.
Like most people, I’m not doing a 100% of my business in the rig wet bath, anyway. What happens (to me) is when I’m boondocking, or on the road for long stretches, I’m trying my best to use outside facilities (gas stations/restaurants , gyms, etc..). We often do this because 10-12 gallon black ranks are so darn small. So one of the huge upsides of the STO (no black tank) is negated by having to lug around a portable toilet . If it was a true cassette it would be awesome . Like the best of both worlds. Better odor manager than true wet flush toilets, as well as portables. But alas, those compromises we keep talking about. Sorry… I’m rambling.. I will see myself out.
appreicate your thoughtful comments !
I'm an rv wannabe. I thought a cassette toilet and a dorm fridge were doable - NOT ANYMORE. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Cassette toilet might be doable. But a portable toilet in the middle of the van ? LOL. Thx for watching, commenting, and being a GSLL channel subscriber :)
Probably depends on where you want to go, too. Your friends Chad and Paul are certainly happy with their Overlander -and even upgraded from a 2021 to a 2022. But they like to go offroad. I think that’s where it shines. Not that you can’t do that in a Travato. Nick Riebe took his Travato K all the way up the Dempster Highway to the Arctic Ocean. (I think it’s something like 500 miles of dirt road!) But that’s fairly daring. And then he downgraded to the Solis Pocket with similar features and layout to the Overlander, but a whole lot more stripped down.
Thx Trish
Good points and great idea doing an at home test. We briefly considered the Storyteller. We decided on a Travato GL partly for the reasons you mentioned. Very happy with our GL. Also recommend spending some time in the floor plans you like, getting a good feeling of what it will be like to stay in it. Spending time in the G on a showroom floor and watching Scott’s videos convinced us to order a GL last year. Determining how you plan to use the RV is a first step in the process as Scott often states.
Thanks for sharing! Discovery !!! :)
Had a class B Promaster van..it drove ok but I didnt like the promaster chassis..limited leg room for taller people, upright seats dont recline much from verticle....most Ram dealers couldnt change the oil...ok ride for shorter folks.
Transit or Spinter for you then !!
Travato G bathroom was a HUGE deciding factor for me
Although not having a black tank is temping, and actually dumping many of the port-a-potties is easier than emptying a black tank- I’m NOT going to stow and drag out the potty
Having to employ emergency bag collection once with full tanks-I can honestly say
I CAN but prefer NOT to poop in my living area!
Maybe I’m just too bougie LOL
Frequent long hot showers are a must- If I were full time, gym membership and truck stop showers would be my go to
But my large personal restroom in my T was worth the entry price!
Cheers to a large personal restroom !!
Great video, Scott. I have been looking into a varieties of vans, trailers, & RVs. What I have learned is that there are so many different options. While that can be overwhelming, it is wonderful. Everyone has different needs, so one can find the best match easier when there are many different options available. There is also no perfect van, and if we acknowledge that , then it will help with picking the right van. What is great about your video is that you covered topics that will help folks in their decision; plus it was entertaining. Thanks again for the video.
Truth… no perfect van. Not being able to 💩 inside a $157,000 van is something that need to be discussed
Nice video Scott. The toilet and shower situations are completely out of the question for me. But I’m in my sixties. However, I don’t think the arrangement would have been ok with me even during my twenties.
Time makes us wiser Joan?!
@@gosmall.livelarge Of course, wiser!
Travato and STO are not comparable Class B's. They really are two different platforms targeting two different buyers. Adventure Van vs a regular Class B. A Revel vs STO may have been a better comparison here. We own a Revel and granted the fridge is much smaller, with a simple Yeti cooler added to our van, we have more fridge space and can last 7-8 days easy. Small compromise for some of the awesome spots we go deep into the forest. Cassette toilets are also much easier to deal with than black tanks. Having owned both, I couldn't go back to a black tank.
Thx Shawn for your comments
I got the storyteller but I am not an off-road adventurer. Mine is on the sprinter chassis but I would have preferred (and would have waited if storyteller had been honest when I asked them) the Ford chassis that is coming out now.
I compared the travato to the storyteller and ended up with storyteller even though I will never go off roading. The travato felt way too closed in for me. I replaced the cassette toilet in the storyteller with a wrappon green toilet which I love. The dog has more space to stretch out, and I like that I can carry stuff in it when I am not camping in it. Also - I absolutely hated the driver seat in the travoto. Just test driving i made my back hurt
So glad you found the van, floor plan, and RV systems that worked best for you. That was the whole point of the video! Thx for watching, commenting, and being a GSLL channel subscriber :)
How does it fit in the shower space?
@@johnwilliamson9453 The wrappon does not fit inside but it sits on top of the shower pan lid.
The off road rv industry has really become expensive and rediculous in my mind. If you really want to experience nature, drive to a trail head and hike in or backpack. Let wild animals live with some peace with the little wild space we've left for them. A less expensive 4×4 can get you to rougher trail heads. If you're going to rough it , then truly rough it.
Interesting points John !
Thanks for your video Scott! I think the frig idea could be done by taking the measurements of the STO frig and then using some painters tape to mark out the dimensions in the home frig to use in mimicking the space for trial.
like the idea of using a cheap TV table with an attached top the same dimensions as in a STO.
We looked at and drove Travatos. Having had a VW euro van camper for 10 years , we were used to small spaces, smaller frig and no inside toilet.
We liked how the Promasters drove on the highway but not the ground clearance or how they go on some of the rougher forest roads and softer or muddy ground.(Same observations about our old Eurovan too)
We drove and rented other class B camper vans including Mercedes 170s, 144s-Revel and for our priorities and comfort levels just like the STO vans the best. We have a couple of big dogs that fit in the more open floor plan better ,like the slightly shorter length and the improved ability on soft/rougher ground
Your van has similar battery power as the STO vans but most Travato don't i believe. That is also a consideration for pet owners wanting to run A/C when taking some summer hikes on trails in national parks where dogs can't go.
I have enjoyed following your adventures and experiences with camper vans.
Interesting points Don. Thx for watching, commenting, and being a GSLL channel subscriber :)
I'd get a Travato over a ST. Some people will want to use it as a road tripper at the same time a fixed shower and bathroom just puts my mind and especially my wifes mind at ease.
good to know.
"You have to see it, smell it, talk to it." I'm with you brother. I had a porta-potty on my sailboat. I'd rather dump the sewer tank on my RV 20 times--heck, a hundred times--rather than empty that porta pottie one more time.
Love your testimonial !
Hi Scott. Difficult question. Pros and cons. The bathroom is the big negative on the Storyteller IMO and the price. I love the fact the storyteller is 4x4 though, killer solar system and does not rattle as much (better quality build), but it’s missing those key features you point out. It would be nice if the Storyteller had the bathroom and table you highlight in your rig.
Thanks for chiming in M G A.
Great ideas! We have a NPE GL & love it. We have slept on the "dinette" bed with a 55# German Shepherd & a 17# cat with no problem. We all usually sleep in the bed in the back!
That is a bed full of creatures !
Sir Scott you have done it again!!!
A great review of the three differences especially with your actual usage examples. Great food for thought with lots of viewer participation. Job/ video well done!! Keep em coming 🤠 ..
Glad it was helpful A F W :)
Toilet, permanent table,large frige.is a must ✌️☮️🎄
With you Zoltan !
Nicely done Scott! One of those drawbacks, it could be a compromise you have to make…all three; you may have helped someone prevent an expensive mistake.
Thx John. That is the point, cause someone to carefully consider or validate they made the right choice.
Hey Scott, in order to test the no 2 in the smallest room in my house, first I have to trick my wife to get into that room, second, I have to lock that door, and if I actually manage to execute the no 2, I will walk out with a few scratches on my face, and end result: DIVORCE!
What are u trying to do my friend 😉
Oh man !!!
MATT SAID IT BEST, NO PRIME POOPING POSITION!!!!!!!!!!! Gigantic Thumbs down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is only area that is not really better in a STO.. all other areas are better in a STO or are fixable to a really workable point.. if I bought a STO versus my 22GL.. I would get the Laveo Toilet
@@steventoney4018 where would you keep it? I think it's too high to store in the compartment under the groove lounge...
Matt knows best !
I think you nailed it but the Solis cassette toilet beats the black water tank anytime!
Great !!!
Good points Scott, and I’m glad you took it on. I too have a $5k deposit on a STO, however I’m thinking I will cancel, not because of the fridge or the table, but because of the potty. You brought that home for me. Is the Travato toilet different from the Revel? I decided against the Revel because of quality issues and Mercedes service horror stories. Maybe I’ll have to re-think the whole process. Thanks for your input Scott!
thanks for your note John. That was kind of the purpose of the video with I have people carefully think through three critical van systems that you use on a daily basis and does that van provide your needs. REVEL has a cassette styles a little bit bigger and it’s a toilet in a room so that is OK for Most
@@gosmall.livelarge you should have compared the capabilities of front wheel drive vs 4WD/AWD vans in Winter and off pavement conditions…
With my K I really do just fine but still wish I had the KL or GL
ah yes… feel the Volta lithium power !
I really like the lay out of your Travato.
However, I like the EmbassyRV’s.
Great video Scott!
Thanks! 👍 Embassy RV :)
I recommend watching We are the Russo's TH-cam channel as they add additional stuff including a chest refrigerator in order to make the Storyteller van usable. At $155k plus it should be ready to go in my opinion. I think I would search out a custom builder to build out a 4X4 van for much much less with a big refrigerator and toilet room. Happy New Year.
Thanks Stan !
I do hope anybody watching this video realizes that this is personal preference regarding only three aspects of the vans. Regarding the bathroom it does have a shower but if you ever step into a class B shower you’ll find that you can barely move your arms while in there. The Storyteller has a drop-down shower with a big curtain that gives you plenty of room and then when you’re done you can store it away so that area is not closed in but a big open space. A cassette toilet is not the only option for the storyteller. You can use dry flush, composting toilet and other options, all of which allow you to “dump” anywhere, such as a pit toilet a regular restroom and more. The Travato has a nice layout and is much more on the RV/Campground type of feel, whereas the Storyteller is an adventure van. A big garage in the back for anything you want to bring with, 4x4 so you’re not hitting the bottom of the van when you’re not on a paved road. A groove lounge that folds down into a bed or four seats or up in two seats with seatbelts and more.
Thx Gear Gal.
Great job! Reality check on lots of adventure vans out there that look really cool, until it comes time to eat, work and poop 💩. Really liked your suggestions on ways to test drive the so-called “features” of the Storyteller. Would be interesting to hear from someone who owns one and hear their opinion. Again, thank you. Safe travels!!
There’s a lot of former Travato owners who now own Storytellers. I don’t know if the opposite can be said. 4WD/AWD vans can simply be taken on different terrain and hence serve different demographics with different lifestyles.
Several STO owners have chimed in here. Glad to see the thinking and the dialog all the way around. That was the point of the video!
I guess this just highlights the fact that the perfect RV doesn’t exist.
I have a storyteller and it works for me -if I need different I would move up to a LTV (if I could find one) or the View/Navion. But for one person or one person with a dog - I have had no trouble over the refridg or the bathroom in my trips which are mostly a week to 10 days. I dislike the sprinter part but I really hated driving the dodge travato in test drives. The storyteller now comes on the ford chassis which I think is great.
@@sdearing6375 Many thanks! I guess at the end of the day, no RV is perfect right!
I like how they build the Ford Transit and you think it's going to be cheaper but then they raised them all up in price so it's not cheaper than the first one
thx Dave !
Scott, next up - why the Travato is the best Urban Cowboy.
Hmmmmm 🤔
For me the STO is far superior to the Travato due to openness of the design and quality of the build but I’m not a full timer and suspect I’d feel very differently if I was solo and a full timer. Good points regardless and to each their own.
TY
I find this video interesting based on your partnership with EmbassyRV. The Traveler has neither a fixed-table nor a black tank.
There is a reasons I am not in an Embassy RV: 1) Permanent table, 2) permanent bed. They make a great van, but knowing what I need from a floor plan, and WHY, keeps me in my Travato 59G. Thx for watching, commenting and for being a subscriber
One mighty fine shirt their Scott!
You are spot on about the Storyteller... paying a premium but without a lot of, at least what I would consider, important features. As you said, the fridge is way too small and you need to buy expensive mods to make the back livable. If you are spending upwards of $160 grand on an RV, why would it be reasonable to spend and additional $10 grand just to make it livable??
The toilet situation is not ideal, but the van they build on is on 19' long, so you gotta sacrifice somewhere. I suppose it may be possible to use the shower curtain for a little more privacy, but it is still inconvenient. I wonder if it would be possible to buy a different toilet, like a C-Head Shorty or Separett Tiny? Could it fit in the same space?
Do you know if the Storyteller fridge needs the inverter on to run? If so, that is a lot of energy wasted just to run an inverter all day and night... that would most probably run down that bank of battery power the Storyteller has far faster than the Winnebago's batteries that don't need that inverter on all the time.
Not sure about your thoughts on the table... I like the idea of having no table in the way, but that's just me. Does the Storyteller not come with a table of any kind?
I like the end credits too!
Be seeing you!
Hey RoL Thx for comments. STO specs says van comes with dining table. So, guessing lagun table is included.
Don't want to tent camp anymore. The only problem with the new GL is they took out the added sleeping space. I plan to travel with my son. Mommy needs her own bed. Especially when he gets bigger. Right now because of HOA restrictions and not being able to afford both the van and storage. I am stalled. My current Idea is to pull out the middle seats of my 2016 Honda Odyssey, minivan. Living space during the day. My bed (airbed on floor) at night. My 7 year old still has to sit on the back stow away bench. He can sleep there too. Trunk area will house food, Cooler and stove. Duffel bags or plastic bins for clothes. I bought a bucket toilet for emergencies. Plan to use the campground facilities. My only problem is AC and power. Looking at a Jackery or Yeti. Still trying to figure that out. Cooler months in north FL will help with the AC. This is just for weekend get aways as I am still full time with work. What do you think? South Florida Native
LOL… mommy needs her own bed. Indeed :)
59G/GL for the win... again! 🏆
Yep !