Not really. YT Content ID will even catch a few seconds of a song from a distorted old radio. Really pisses off the old radio restoration channels. Content ID is overly aggressive and seems to false positive a lot.
Not to take anything away from David's rendition (which was quite nice...), but TH-cam's matching algorithm is very broad. It has flagged some of my very poor, not-at-all-accurate renditions of others' songs.
It's worth mentioning that all of the Reface synths have a special phone app that has a library of thousands of user-made presets, which you can transfer into your synth when connected via USB, or it can show you how to adjust the different settings yourself
yup my ad blocker was going on this one too ad block plus and also have an extension so it doesnt show i watched the whole video only 2 seconds (useful for scum copyright claims and people who use way too many ads like 6 in a 30 second clip
Sadly, a non-copywrong owner chose to claim the song. You can tell if the wrong group claimed copyright if the claimant gets the pertinent information wrong, especially since the artist is incorrect (London Music Works is not the artist). I'd dispute the claim. Tell them that the original artist is not the artist specified by claimant group. Of course, whether it's worth the trouble to attempt to dispute an incorrect claim, that's up to you, and it seems you've already decided in this regard. Yes, I call it copywrong; I mock the whole thing because it was patented in faith but implemented and enforced in a supportive role to greed and avarice. It's trash. It only pushes me to place all my creative works in the *_public domain_* outright. Better that than...
@Rex Warden They can claim it all they want, but if they actually want my work, they'll have to duel me for it. FTR, my skills are on par with the Ninja.
I did a quick search - turns out London Music Works does COVERS of TV and movie music themselves. So, because they've done a cover of Axel F, they are claiming copyright. What bullshit.
Hearing the song: "It would make Harold Faltermeyer proud" Later in the video, the part about monetization "Gosh, this will make Harold Faltermeyer money!"
@@joshmbrown42 with this shady youtube copyright claim system, I would not be surprised if the money go to someone that has nothing to do with the song.
@@fellipec That's what's happening. It's not the actual owner, it's just some music group who did a cover and are claiming his song somehow because they covered it.
Ah, back in my days of being a synth-tech for a band...we had to create paper templates to overlay controls and make makes on to allow us to "save" patches...later when polaroids came out, and if you were with a rich band, you could take pictures to "save" your patches! It was really synths like the Prophet 5 that had digital storage that it became much easier to store patches.
Yep I’ll never understand how an industry that stopped media formats(mini disc) to streaming for basically free!?! Whatever the music industry has never been the sharpest tool in the shed
+Hunter Davis, The industry finally realized by the late 2000s that streaming would at least effectively kill mass scale music piracy, and at least generate them revenue they otherwise wouldn't have gotten at all. It was adapt or die by that point.
I'd research whoever claimed your video. There are a lot of shady companies out there that just auto-claim videos who either do not own the copyright or are not working for the copyright owner. Technically it's your performance.
@@Minsetti Yeah, but for that you just need a mechanical license. This specifically claims the recording as London Music Works' cover version, which this is not. This is a false claim by London Music Works' rights holder.
@@bobbytables464 Yeah, I don't deny that it's claimed for a wrong cover performance. Getting a license for actually doing these covers legally is another thing tho. It's certainly not simple or affordable in many cases. That's why no one but biggest channels are doing it.
That's not how cover rights work. You can't legally stop anyone from doing any covers they want, you just have the right to demand a cut of the profits. not ALL of the profits. and the law doesn't define the percentage, either, that's for the two of you to hash out later. though obviously yeah THAT isn't simple or affordable.
@@KairuHakubi I don't know what are you arguing here exactly since it's clear TH-cam has chosen their policy regarding covers and it's to give all the rights to whichever big publisher decides to claim the video first. Hell, sometimes there are multiple companies fighting over the pennies from the same video. Now in some cases there is a possibility for a revenue sharing and it's a whopping 34% of the ad revenue.
@@IsasHappyHour It's a known bug, but it only works on stuff that has no content id in the first place and is already viral. It's the darkest thing you can do and I just made a joke about it.
This video completely sold me on the Reface CS to eventually buy! Love the retro sounds, and its relatively simple presentation looks inviting to jump in and enjoy. Thank you for releasing this video regardless of the de-monetization situation with it!
The Reface CS doesn't have velocity sensitivity in the synth engine. The keyboard does velocity on midi out though. If you are ok with the mini keys, the keybed feels pretty good.
I really liked my CS but the lack of any velocity control or even keyboard tracking on the filter made its expressive abilities and dynamics rather limiting and flat sounding a lot of the time. It bugged me to the point where I eventually ended up selling it. Such a shame on an otherwise brilliant little board, what else on the market offers a keyboard synth as portable and well-built as this with a mini-keybed response miles ahead of the competition?
I ended up replacing my full-size-keys 49 key midi controller with the reface dx. Saves room on my desk, and while it has fewer keys and knobs, I kinda like playing with it, and it controls my VSTs just fine..
@@rumham9911 To me, the 7-bit resolution on the pitch control is a bit of a deal breaker. I wasn't aware of that when I bought mine, but it severely limits the usability of the pitch control. Also, mine has a "wiggle" on the middle, so it can sit out of tune unless I carefully adjust it. I've read some posts online, leading me to believe this isn't uncommon though. The build quality overall feels really great though. It feels like a professional piece of gear. I'm probably selling mine. I wanted it to recreate some of the wonderful sounds Vangelis used on the Blade Runner soundtrack, and unfortunately, that's too complex for this little machine.
Also, before I start sounding overly negative about it. On the whole, for such a small and cheap device, it can sounds totally awesome. It's fun to just sit around tweaking and making random sounds.
@@rebeccaschade3987 You probably already know but its possible to change the pitch sticks range in semitones, I know its not the same as changing the resolution but I found it a lot more usable with a different range setting than stock. And yes when thinking of Blade Runner and the CS-80 which is particularly famous for its incredibly expressive and nuanced performance controls its hard not to wonder why these aspects are so overlooked on the CS.
I remember in the 80's early synthesizers that sounded like that seemed new an futuristic. We were sure that that was what the future was going to sound like. Now that we are in the future, early synthesizers sound so retro. We think it is cool to hear what the 80's sounded liked again.
As with everything, things evolved. Early synths will always sound retro but futuristic at the same time, probably due to their use in sci-fi movies, shows etc. But now that we are in the future, we indeed have a vast variety of synth sounds, scattered across so many genres of (not only) electronic music, and all those became hugely accessible to almost everyone (with free DAW's, plugins, cheap hardware etc). Of course many sounds that were pioneered at that 80s time kinda remained the same till now because they were so cool - supersaws and stuff, but we also have a lot of new sounds from granular synthesis, physical modelling and of course a new arsenal of "futuristic" instruments with MPE expression, etc that change the game constantly.
I love the Reface CS, it sounds lovely and it's immediate, it's also good fun for introducing kids to Synths because there isn't too much on the panel, and the speakers aren't half bad!!!
The Yamaha CS and Prophet 600 are all over the Scandroid self titled album. Also if you have an Ipad, you can use an app to patch and recall sounds on the Yamaha Reface CS.
The CS is great. The design choices for its "minimum control set" are inspired. It is very quick to get great sounds. I use MIDI-OX for saving patches but that's only in case I need to recreate them - generally I start from scratch. It has tons of mojo and is usually the first synth I reach for even if ultimately I plan to replace the part with a synth that's slower to program. If all my gear got stolen, the CS is the very first I'd replace!
For being Full on nes sounds It needs to have Triangle wave too It's actualy terrible that you got demonitised because of the Song It Just speaks values to the quality of this Keyboard to sound só similar to the Original composition
The ContentID algorithm pickups pitches, not timbres, so the tonal similarity means nothing to it. If it's the same notes, it will be picked up. This is why pitch-shifting a few cents the audio successfully evades it, even if you use the original recording.
Yeah... A bunch of old chips are more capable than given credit for. Pokey, though based on square waves, requires a very unusual type of noisy square wave output to reproduce fully. (plus the many examples of sampled sounds involved) Not always as straightforward as it seems. NES also has variable duty cycles on it's square waves too...
@@ErebosGR Actually, that used to be true but now algorithm can pick up the song if it's been distorted. I've had it direct songs if they have been transposed to different keys, sped up, missing multitracks, and all sorts of modifications. It's gotten better.
That perfect rendition of Axel F. transported me directly back to my childhood. Sucks that TH-cam killed the revenue stream, but we all greatly appreciate the work you put into the video
This was such a good review - really adds another take to all those reviews already out there concerning the CS. Especially the comparison with computer sound devices / game consoles was a nice, fresh take. It's a bit sad you won't receive the money for this video but I'll be sure to throw you something into the hat. Nice!
Well done on the recreation. Great job. Love you channels .keep up the great work. And its good to see your passion and dedication to what you do if for the purpose of sharing things with us . 😁😁😁
Great video David! As I was listening I thought to myself “uh-oh, this is going to have a Content ID claim”. Then you confirmed it! If folks enjoyed this video, consider supporting on Patreon. Even $1 per month can really help creators if enough people contribute. Link in the description.
I love this channel ! I was waiting for this video for so long !!! I hope to see a 4-track tape-recording composition out of your Reface's synths soon !!! *Edit:* ohhh, nooo. I just heard about you selling these =( nice video, btw !! =)
@@5roundsrapid263 Indeed! It's not even a warning like you see on local TV actually. That is a "GET YOUR BEHIND TO A CLOSET OR BASEMENT NOW, BECAUSE WE SAW ONE TOUCHDOWN" noise! Sounds just like the physical sirens that they put around cities in tornado alley. Not something you want to hear!
I've been in a similar situation with covering songs on TH-cam. As it turns out, covering a song is not covered under copyright law UNLESS it is played live and not recorded. Especially if you are trying to match the song so closely you can only expect to get your video claimed. It's pretty unfortunate.
You can tell everything you need to know about youtube's attitude to content creators by the 'copyright dispute' function. If you dispute a claim, who decides if your dispute is valid? The same person that made the claim against you in the first place. Any sane dispute system would have independent arbitration. But not youtube, oh no. You basically beg the person claiming against you to reconsider... Tells you everything you need to know. TH-cam doesn't give a shit. -Video uploaders are presumed guilty by default. - content claimers have no burden of proof to even deminstrate they legally own what they claim to, much less that their claim over your video is correct. - Content claimers are judge, jury and executioner... - the automated claim forms outright refuse to acknowledge that the claimant or youtube could have made a mistake (I ran into a situation of having a claim against my video for something that wasn't even present in the video, and there was no sane way to point out the error) basically everything is so biased towards the people making claims, that the whole thing becomes one massive rort. the law doesn't even factor into it anymore. Claimants have all the rights (even ones that are legally dubious at best), creators have none. a 'dispute' isn't arbitration, as you'd expect. It's begging the claimant to reconsider... Copyright law is irrelevant on youtube; Only youtube's enforcement mechanisms matter. And those only very vaguely approximate a highly bastardised version of actual laws...
Cristian Dinu wow you really need to read some more history ... young ppl today are scarily naive to think that overhauling everything for socialism is the answer... its a classic poison pill
@@8BitKeys lets all make sure to leave here and watch another video so he gets a payment to make it worth his while :) Thanks for the "donation" of this great video. Nice covers, too!
The Reface CS is *fine,* but the only thing it shares with the legendary CS synths is just the name. They're two completely different ballparks. Slap some chorus on board and I almost want to say it's got this baby Juno thing going on, but from two totally different companies haha. The thing about not being able to save presets is very much a non-issue. Analog subtractive synthesis is dead simple to the point that you can even recreate patches from famous albums with stunning accuracy. You're expected to have a functioning grasp of sound design to use it, but I see what you mean.
It has a fairly capable onboard chorus on the 'effect' slider. As an owner of this synth for over a year now, I can say that you can definitely get some 'baby Juno-esque' sounds out of it :) It's definitely one of my favorite synths just because of its versatility in copying patches from many other synths.
The Reface CS synth engine is derived from the Yamaha AN1X keyboard, which is a fairly legendary virtual analog synth in its own right but, agreed, has no real affiliation to the CS-80 or other CS analog synths of yesteryear.
I disagree. This is a simple keyboard that is supposed to be for people who are tired of browsing through presets which are abundant in most synthesizers and are a staple of vst instruments, for beginners and for minamlists. It gives you a more "in the moment" approach to playing music. And if you prefer having presets there's ton of other synths.
This is what kills my interest in this synth. I believe you can save patches to a PC via MIDI, but would it have been too much for Yamaha to have added the ability to save some patches on the keyboard itself? Having to lug around another device to recall patches, or needing to manually recreate them, kinda detracts from the highly portable and convenient nature of this. Twice the price, but I'd rather go for something like the Minilogue XD.
3 buttons (store/select, previous, next), an LCD screen, and motorized sliders (like some pro mixing boards have), would be a nice addition. Could be part of a "deluxe" model at some point.
@@sypialnia_studio It's not about pre-setting its about being able to save your selection. If I spend time to create or recreate an interesting sound profile I want to be able to save it and use it again some other time. I might want to be able to switch between different settings (as done in the video) for a multi track song. Or use settings I created weeks ago. Taking a photo of the settings and manually dial things in every-time you want to switch is like having to retype the code of a program you wrote every-time you want to use it.
@@MrMartinNeumann I understand your point, but as I said this keyboard serves a bit different purpose in my opinion. It's for experimenting and learning basic and just having fun. It's not meant as a workstation or stage synth. The analog unsaveble state of settings makes every sound you design more unique and special as it's near impossible to replicate exactly the same.
I'm finding that owning and playing some synths that don't allow presets is increasing my ability to understand the programming process and make things from scratch, simply by having an idea of the sound in my mind. Kind of forces you to get off your butt. :-D
Love that you paired in the old Sequential drum machine for your percussion. That really sold it. Great rendition. Very authentic. For those looking for a solid, workhorse synthesizer that won't break the bank or take up a ton of space, the Reface CS has a lot to offer (as do the other Reface models IMO). I used to own myself and though I liked it, I did sell it because I had a lot of other similar synths in my studio. I did keep the CP model though. A few thoughts while watching: The Reface CS derives its synthesis engine from the larger, older Yamaha AN1X virtual analog synthesizer (and not the CS-80) which has a pretty loyal following of its own. If you've heard any progressive or melodic trance from the 90's or 00's you've heard that synth. Also I should mention there is a companion app for this keyboard that will allow you to save and recall patches very quickly and easily. I have friends that are using this board at gigs that way and they say it works great. Great video. Very entertaining.
wow, respect for David. He's got a 300$ keyboard with endless possibilities and yet he prefers to make IBM PC Speaker compatible music. That's some real talent
I play the CS, DX and CP in my band. I use a self-made software as a MIDI-crossover so I can softpatch them however I want, also I use the software to store and reload patches on the fly. Used this setup in several concerts and it works like a charm!
Even though I can't store or save any of my patches I love this thing SO much. It is insanely versatile for such a small keyboard. It's one of those 80's style synths I won't be selling.
It's a travesty that "owners" who content-match get all of the money. That's basically theft of your creative work. So I wonder: What happens if two parties content-match? Is the money shared? Could you register your own copyright and content somehow and then content-match yourself to claim back your share?
Do you mean Linus, the Peanuts character? Schroeder plays the piano, not Linus. Beethoven wasn't so great, either, as he didn't get his picture on a bubble gum card (according to Lucy).
@@ShiggitayMediaProductions: Haven't heard of that channel until you just pointed that out. Having looked at his list of uploaded videos, I don't see anything that would compel me to watch even one *Linus Tech Tips* video. None of it seems especially useful... though 10.2M of his subscribers would suggest otherwise.
I have exactly the same thing with the Crazy Frog version. Harald must have been kicking himself for not thinking of that "Ding Ding" to fill in that awkward gap in the melody. 😀
I use my Reface CS all the time for Juno style chord pads. It's also capable of great Reece Bass and much more. I'll say I like my Yamaha AN200 better for the ultra saw, it gets less muddy in the low end. Most would say the Reface CS shares more DNA with the Yamaha AN1X than the CS80. Great video!
That moment when your cover is good enough that TH-cam claims it.
Steals it.
You don't need to cover it good, not even adequately. Ask the Oddity Archive th-cam.com/video/4gAF4pgXfxo/w-d-xo.html.
It happens to me to all my covers. You can check Aeden.Hivanova channel. And I can't do anything against that...
Let alone TH-cam, even Shazam recognizes the cover in this video.
yudhi_gn Aren’t you supposed to be able to hum a tune and ShAzAM will identify it
That's SUPERCOOL!!!! I love your video man!! ❤️Honoured to be in it 🔥
Hey Doctor Mix I love your channel please keep making videos.
Two of my favorite channels!
Two based channels
Love you Doctor Mix! Ha
When a cover is so accurate that it can trigger Content ID... That's another level of skill.
well, Content ID is broken af for all the creators.
It is really best to content match yourself to at least get a sliver of your content.
@kanji: That's one way of looking at it, as a compliment. *:)*
@@thrownchance: Puppet outro from *Techmoan* parodying TH-cam content matching... th-cam.com/video/NtmtFkxOnrg/w-d-xo.html
Not really. YT Content ID will even catch a few seconds of a song from a distorted old radio. Really pisses off the old radio restoration channels. Content ID is overly aggressive and seems to false positive a lot.
Not to take anything away from David's rendition (which was quite nice...), but TH-cam's matching algorithm is very broad. It has flagged some of my very poor, not-at-all-accurate renditions of others' songs.
It's worth mentioning that all of the Reface synths have a special phone app that has a library of thousands of user-made presets, which you can transfer into your synth when connected via USB, or it can show you how to adjust the different settings yourself
@@BinchickenProductionsOfficial There is no mechanic to physically move the sliders. It just loads the preset into memory.
4:28 lmao that "ancient" graphic grabbed me in just the right way and got an enjoyable laugh out of me!
yee show that pic out of context to anyone and have them guess whats going on lmao
King Synth-an-ka-man?
"...I won't be receiving the money..."
::immediately activates ad-blocker::
yup my ad blocker was going on this one too ad block plus and also have an extension so it doesnt show i watched the whole video only 2 seconds (useful for scum copyright claims and people who use way too many ads like 6 in a 30 second clip
But he said it at nearly the end...
haven't disabled my ad blocker since 1968.
You mean keep it on all the way bc why would u wanna load ads for 8bitkeys.
Sadly, a non-copywrong owner chose to claim the song. You can tell if the wrong group claimed copyright if the claimant gets the pertinent information wrong, especially since the artist is incorrect (London Music Works is not the artist). I'd dispute the claim. Tell them that the original artist is not the artist specified by claimant group.
Of course, whether it's worth the trouble to attempt to dispute an incorrect claim, that's up to you, and it seems you've already decided in this regard. Yes, I call it copywrong; I mock the whole thing because it was patented in faith but implemented and enforced in a supportive role to greed and avarice. It's trash. It only pushes me to place all my creative works in the *_public domain_* outright. Better that than...
Copyleft for life.
Second this. Dispute the claim. We all know London Music Works is not the artist.
@Rex Warden They can claim it all they want, but if they actually want my work, they'll have to duel me for it.
FTR, my skills are on par with the Ninja.
I did a quick search - turns out London Music Works does COVERS of TV and movie music themselves. So, because they've done a cover of Axel F, they are claiming copyright. What bullshit.
@@Buapo the lack of self awareness is astonishing
Hearing the song: "It would make Harold Faltermeyer proud"
Later in the video, the part about monetization "Gosh, this will make Harold Faltermeyer money!"
@@joshmbrown42 with this shady youtube copyright claim system, I would not be surprised if the money go to someone that has nothing to do with the song.
@@fellipec That's what's happening. It's not the actual owner, it's just some music group who did a cover and are claiming his song somehow because they covered it.
@@NZsaltz That is the sad thing about TH-cam.
If the money went to Mr. Faltermeyer's pockets I would not be so upset
Ah, back in my days of being a synth-tech for a band...we had to create paper templates to overlay controls and make makes on to allow us to "save" patches...later when polaroids came out, and if you were with a rich band, you could take pictures to "save" your patches! It was really synths like the Prophet 5 that had digital storage that it became much easier to store patches.
@@kolomahler 'Thankfully' other synths don't have this deliberate and pathetically stupid limitation. Just pointless.
In my younger days the music industry was always claiming that home taping was killing music.
Now it's TH-cam & the legal "profession"
Yep I’ll never understand how an industry that stopped media formats(mini disc) to streaming for basically free!?! Whatever the music industry has never been the sharpest tool in the shed
+Hunter Davis, The industry finally realized by the late 2000s that streaming would at least effectively kill mass scale music piracy, and at least generate them revenue they otherwise wouldn't have gotten at all. It was adapt or die by that point.
"Home sewing is killing the fashion industry" :)
@@6581punk Home sewing existed long before the idea of industry.
@@user2C47 it was a joke......................
Hopefully, when TH-cam detected it, they credited the *correct* artist for creating Axel F, which was Harold Faltermeyer.
Noooooo, it's gonna go to big name record company, not the artist
Watch it be the people who made Crazy Frog
No.
*Song
: Axel F (From "Beverly Hills Cop")*
*Artist
: London Music Works*
*Album
: 100 Greatest Film Themes Take 2*
@@Wflash00 Ding ding....
@@AmyraCarter Those are the Crazy Frog people, right?
Such a pity about the monetization. Your review was excellent and I'm not even into keyboards!
6:54
This is the best recreation of the THX sound I’ve heard yet
Vertobitz YT The audience are listening!!
"I-I was l-linsten-ning b-before too T-t-tank you, it wa-wasn't neccessary!"
I'd research whoever claimed your video. There are a lot of shady companies out there that just auto-claim videos who either do not own the copyright or are not working for the copyright owner. Technically it's your performance.
You know that there is a copyright for the composition? It doesn't matter who is performing it.
@@Minsetti Yeah, but for that you just need a mechanical license. This specifically claims the recording as London Music Works' cover version, which this is not. This is a false claim by London Music Works' rights holder.
@@bobbytables464 Yeah, I don't deny that it's claimed for a wrong cover performance.
Getting a license for actually doing these covers legally is another thing tho. It's certainly not simple or affordable in many cases. That's why no one but biggest channels are doing it.
That's not how cover rights work. You can't legally stop anyone from doing any covers they want, you just have the right to demand a cut of the profits. not ALL of the profits. and the law doesn't define the percentage, either, that's for the two of you to hash out later. though obviously yeah THAT isn't simple or affordable.
@@KairuHakubi I don't know what are you arguing here exactly since it's clear TH-cam has chosen their policy regarding covers and it's to give all the rights to whichever big publisher decides to claim the video first. Hell, sometimes there are multiple companies fighting over the pennies from the same video.
Now in some cases there is a possibility for a revenue sharing and it's a whopping 34% of the ad revenue.
Regarding the song detection…
- Has Play buttons behind him
- Gets overbid by an algorithm
Just claim your own videos and enjoy infinite money.
KYŌDɅI KΞN you mad genius...
TBH he did do another persons song without asking permission. Definitly not a false copyright claim
@@IsasHappyHour It's a known bug, but it only works on stuff that has no content id in the first place and is already viral. It's the darkest thing you can do and I just made a joke about it.
@@FennecTECH TBH and if he was a bigger channel TH-cam would let him pass
This video completely sold me on the Reface CS to eventually buy! Love the retro sounds, and its relatively simple presentation looks inviting to jump in and enjoy. Thank you for releasing this video regardless of the de-monetization situation with it!
I bought one after his first showing of it and it's been worth every penny! You won't believe how many classic '80s synth patches you can recreate.
Sorry to hear about the copyright claim. This was a great video and I really enjoyed it so I'm glad you put it up anyway, for what it's worth. :)
0:22 8bit tech tips
But he didn't complete the drop. His training is not yet complete
The Reface CS doesn't have velocity sensitivity in the synth engine. The keyboard does velocity on midi out though. If you are ok with the mini keys, the keybed feels pretty good.
I really liked my CS but the lack of any velocity control or even keyboard tracking on the filter made its expressive abilities and dynamics rather limiting and flat sounding a lot of the time. It bugged me to the point where I eventually ended up selling it. Such a shame on an otherwise brilliant little board, what else on the market offers a keyboard synth as portable and well-built as this with a mini-keybed response miles ahead of the competition?
I ended up replacing my full-size-keys 49 key midi controller with the reface dx. Saves room on my desk, and while it has fewer keys and knobs, I kinda like playing with it, and it controls my VSTs just fine..
@@rumham9911 To me, the 7-bit resolution on the pitch control is a bit of a deal breaker. I wasn't aware of that when I bought mine, but it severely limits the usability of the pitch control. Also, mine has a "wiggle" on the middle, so it can sit out of tune unless I carefully adjust it. I've read some posts online, leading me to believe this isn't uncommon though. The build quality overall feels really great though. It feels like a professional piece of gear. I'm probably selling mine. I wanted it to recreate some of the wonderful sounds Vangelis used on the Blade Runner soundtrack, and unfortunately, that's too complex for this little machine.
Also, before I start sounding overly negative about it. On the whole, for such a small and cheap device, it can sounds totally awesome. It's fun to just sit around tweaking and making random sounds.
@@rebeccaschade3987 You probably already know but its possible to change the pitch sticks range in semitones, I know its not the same as changing the resolution but I found it a lot more usable with a different range setting than stock. And yes when thinking of Blade Runner and the CS-80 which is particularly famous for its incredibly expressive and nuanced performance controls its hard not to wonder why these aspects are so overlooked on the CS.
Great rendition! :)
BTW 9:09 Axel gives the "F" to the copyright owners each time on the last note of this melody. ;-)
I love this more then his main channel. This is so much better, he clearly has passion for playing and restoring.
Wait, he has another channel?? What is it called?
@@austinmitchell2652 Cranial Pasta
I would buy both keyboards. The Reface CS sounds amazing.
I remember in the 80's early synthesizers that sounded like that seemed new an futuristic. We were sure that that was what the future was going to sound like. Now that we are in the future, early synthesizers sound so retro. We think it is cool to hear what the 80's sounded liked again.
As with everything, things evolved. Early synths will always sound retro but futuristic at the same time, probably due to their use in sci-fi movies, shows etc. But now that we are in the future, we indeed have a vast variety of synth sounds, scattered across so many genres of (not only) electronic music, and all those became hugely accessible to almost everyone (with free DAW's, plugins, cheap hardware etc). Of course many sounds that were pioneered at that 80s time kinda remained the same till now because they were so cool - supersaws and stuff, but we also have a lot of new sounds from granular synthesis, physical modelling and of course a new arsenal of "futuristic" instruments with MPE expression, etc that change the game constantly.
You used a Behringer prototype design for their CS-80 clone as the picture for the original CS-80!
Martijnnaber it's confirmed then!
Yes, you are correct, you can see the Behringer logo on it!
:-))))))))
It looks like the spacebar is screwed up on it
oh we gotta call the youtube police on him then lmao
I love the Reface CS, it sounds lovely and it's immediate, it's also good fun for introducing kids to Synths because there isn't too much on the panel, and the speakers aren't half bad!!!
The Yamaha CS and Prophet 600 are all over the Scandroid self titled album. Also if you have an Ipad, you can use an app to patch and recall sounds on the Yamaha Reface CS.
This was so much sunny day grade enjoyable. I really must thank you.
So glad to see another video, I really hope you'll do more soon, I'm always feening for more 8bit
The CS is great. The design choices for its "minimum control set" are inspired. It is very quick to get great sounds. I use MIDI-OX for saving patches but that's only in case I need to recreate them - generally I start from scratch. It has tons of mojo and is usually the first synth I reach for even if ultimately I plan to replace the part with a synth that's slower to program. If all my gear got stolen, the CS is the very first I'd replace!
For being Full on nes sounds It needs to have Triangle wave too
It's actualy terrible that you got demonitised because of the Song It Just speaks values to the quality of this Keyboard to sound só similar to the Original composition
Also it had a noise channel to generate static, which was fairly useful in creating a snare-drum like sound
The ContentID algorithm pickups pitches, not timbres, so the tonal similarity means nothing to it.
If it's the same notes, it will be picked up.
This is why pitch-shifting a few cents the audio successfully evades it, even if you use the original recording.
@@ErebosGR But there's a legion of manual reviewers whose only job is to go through new videos everyday in hopes of claiming copyrighted content.
Yeah...
A bunch of old chips are more capable than given credit for.
Pokey, though based on square waves, requires a very unusual type of noisy square wave output to reproduce fully. (plus the many examples of sampled sounds involved)
Not always as straightforward as it seems.
NES also has variable duty cycles on it's square waves too...
@@ErebosGR Actually, that used to be true but now algorithm can pick up the song if it's been distorted. I've had it direct songs if they have been transposed to different keys, sped up, missing multitracks, and all sorts of modifications. It's gotten better.
Thanks for your all informed models and sharing your time.
That perfect rendition of Axel F. transported me directly back to my childhood. Sucks that TH-cam killed the revenue stream, but we all greatly appreciate the work you put into the video
6:50 gives me major Butthole Surfer vibes. Almost exactly the opening sound to Pepper. Awesome!
I caught that too. A Texas band David can appreciate
Can I say that having Doctor Mix, The 8-bit Guy and Anders Enger Jensen sitting on 1 sofa playing Axel F in 1 shot is a legendary picture?
Stoney3K That was fun times indeed. 😂😎
This was such a good review - really adds another take to all those reviews already out there concerning the CS. Especially the comparison with computer sound devices / game consoles was a nice, fresh take.
It's a bit sad you won't receive the money for this video but I'll be sure to throw you something into the hat. Nice!
The axel F bit really made me smile. It was so good. Thank you for uploading this video
4:00 Reface CS sounds more.. clean?
The C64 had less attack as well.
0:27
"I nearly dropped it."
**checks if this is 8-Bit Keys or Linus Tech Tips**
I loved this video! So many cool sounds out of this thing!
Really enjoyed the review through your lens of the 80s era. It's a different approach, but welcome, and gives me new ideas for using the CS.
Awesome, forgot you got to hang out with Doctor Mix !!!!!!!
I miss my SK-1. It burped like a champion back in the day.
1 6 h o u r s a g o
@@vertz1515 patreon
I still have one!!!
OMG I had an SK-8 and my experience was the same, I never learned to actually play but I shure did play a mean burp bassline.
Well done on the recreation. Great job. Love you channels .keep up the great work. And its good to see your passion and dedication to what you do if for the purpose of sharing things with us .
😁😁😁
8 Bit Guy, Anders Jensen and Doctor Mix in the same room. My life is complete!
Crazy frog: makes trillions off other songs
TH-camr: thrown in a Military prision camp, and beat for using .01s of a song
Thank you;
I was thinking "Where else have I heard this before besides beverly hills cop", haha.
Really enjoyed your Axel F version. Very practical to have an extra hand for the drums! Seems Zaphod Beeblebrox gave you a hand. 😁
Jürg Messer Yeah, I brought him in to do the drums last weekend. Nearly wrecked the entire place... those pesky Betelgeusians! 😎😂
Playing the Spelunker theme sold me on this unit! Thanks!
Thank you for releasing this. Great demo. I'd buy one but I already have over a hundred keyboards in my collection.
If I lost all my synths, the CS is the first is I'd replace. So quick to dial-in great sounds and great fun.
100% this should be a classic right now. It's so AWESOME. I've created electro funk on it from the kick drum up. It's extremely versatile.
Great video David! As I was listening I thought to myself “uh-oh, this is going to have a Content ID claim”. Then you confirmed it!
If folks enjoyed this video, consider supporting on Patreon. Even $1 per month can really help creators if enough people contribute. Link in the description.
Patreon ain't my thing, I hate that website.
Love these Refaces and CS is my fave. Nice sounds and playing 8BK!
Do you have the CP? How do you rate it? I love my CS and YC.
@@iqi616 Don't have that one, but for classic pop/soul sounds it punches above its weight!
really anxious for the rest of reface review series.
holy crap A new 8-bit keys!
6:50
anyone else hear the beginning of Pepper by the Butthole Surfers
YUP
OMG that is exactly it!
I love this channel ! I was waiting for this video for so long !!!
I hope to see a 4-track tape-recording composition out of your Reface's synths soon !!! *Edit:* ohhh, nooo. I just heard about you selling these =( nice video, btw !!
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Awesome Axel Foley thanks for keeping it in!
6:57
*TORNADO WATCH IN YOUR AREA. TAKE SHELTER IMMEDIATELY.*
*NUCLEAR POWER PLANT* AND *EVACUATION IMMEDIATE* WARNINGS ISSUED FOR *YOUR AREA.* LEAVE *IMMEDIATELY* OR DIE.
As a long-time Indiana resident, I lol'd far too hard. #TROOF
Technically, it’s a Warning.
@@5roundsrapid263 Indeed! It's not even a warning like you see on local TV actually. That is a "GET YOUR BEHIND TO A CLOSET OR BASEMENT NOW, BECAUSE WE SAW ONE TOUCHDOWN" noise! Sounds just like the physical sirens that they put around cities in tornado alley. Not something you want to hear!
The purge has started
I've been in a similar situation with covering songs on TH-cam. As it turns out, covering a song is not covered under copyright law UNLESS it is played live and not recorded. Especially if you are trying to match the song so closely you can only expect to get your video claimed. It's pretty unfortunate.
Good luck getting a human at TH-cam to look at your case though and them being intelligent and motivated enough to do anything though.
@@goc9000 Vote Bernie Sanders. Communism will fix everything. One throat at a time.
You can tell everything you need to know about youtube's attitude to content creators by the 'copyright dispute' function.
If you dispute a claim, who decides if your dispute is valid?
The same person that made the claim against you in the first place.
Any sane dispute system would have independent arbitration.
But not youtube, oh no.
You basically beg the person claiming against you to reconsider...
Tells you everything you need to know.
TH-cam doesn't give a shit.
-Video uploaders are presumed guilty by default.
- content claimers have no burden of proof to even deminstrate they legally own what they claim to, much less that their claim over your video is correct.
- Content claimers are judge, jury and executioner...
- the automated claim forms outright refuse to acknowledge that the claimant or youtube could have made a mistake (I ran into a situation of having a claim against my video for something that wasn't even present in the video, and there was no sane way to point out the error)
basically everything is so biased towards the people making claims, that the whole thing becomes one massive rort.
the law doesn't even factor into it anymore.
Claimants have all the rights (even ones that are legally dubious at best), creators have none.
a 'dispute' isn't arbitration, as you'd expect. It's begging the claimant to reconsider...
Copyright law is irrelevant on youtube;
Only youtube's enforcement mechanisms matter.
And those only very vaguely approximate a highly bastardised version of actual laws...
This marks the deterioration into political frenzy.
Cristian Dinu wow you really need to read some more history ... young ppl today are scarily naive to think that overhauling everything for socialism is the answer... its a classic poison pill
YES I have that!! I love my CS. As a indie game dev, it is great for making sound effects and music loops.
Great post, thanks for reviewing. May purchase one of these. Keep up the good work.
The basics of the Darwin's evolution theory: both C64 and Reface CS have a common acestor: the MiniMoog!
6:53 Anybody think that that sounds like the startup from Windows NT Workstation 5.0?
6:56 Sound like a character creation theme of Phantasy star online. Just a little.
Just got mine last week actually absolutely love it.. I suck at playing the keys but definitely motivates me to learn.
I have never considered buying a keyboard until now. Thank you so much for sharing this!
I'd have released the Axel F song in a separate video so you could have at least monetized your review.
I thought about that, but decided not to. I didn't want to break up the video.
Aye, fair enough.
8-Bit Keys Haha, Classic 8-bit guy... great channel, keep it up 👍🏻
8-Bit Keys You can fight the claim tho since you recreated it completely by yourself
@@8BitKeys lets all make sure to leave here and watch another video so he gets a payment to make it worth his while :)
Thanks for the "donation" of this great video. Nice covers, too!
The Reface CS is *fine,* but the only thing it shares with the legendary CS synths is just the name. They're two completely different ballparks. Slap some chorus on board and I almost want to say it's got this baby Juno thing going on, but from two totally different companies haha.
The thing about not being able to save presets is very much a non-issue. Analog subtractive synthesis is dead simple to the point that you can even recreate patches from famous albums with stunning accuracy. You're expected to have a functioning grasp of sound design to use it, but I see what you mean.
It has a fairly capable onboard chorus on the 'effect' slider. As an owner of this synth for over a year now, I can say that you can definitely get some 'baby Juno-esque' sounds out of it :) It's definitely one of my favorite synths just because of its versatility in copying patches from many other synths.
The Reface CS synth engine is derived from the Yamaha AN1X keyboard, which is a fairly legendary virtual analog synth in its own right but, agreed, has no real affiliation to the CS-80 or other CS analog synths of yesteryear.
They most probably named it CS after the mini CS01
@@MattGreerMusic exactly! Not sure why it gets compared to the CS80 so often and not the AN1X
Excellent video as always!!!
Great video! Love the Axel F at the end
6:55 THX.... The audience is now deaf ! lmao
THX intro at 6:56
I honestly want to get this thing, it's pretty cool and I like the virtually infinite possibilities of the sound
Awesome review...I do like the video game sounds that you can get from that keyboard. I'm thinking of buying one myself.
6:53 sitting in a theater and being greeted by that.
It looks like it's worth the investment. Nice review man.
Woow that recreated music at the end was super awesome, in fact i absolutely never knew that FM sound can sound soo advanced.
Dude! This was AMAZING!!
There really should be some way of saving the selection on this.
I disagree. This is a simple keyboard that is supposed to be for people who are tired of browsing through presets which are abundant in most synthesizers and are a staple of vst instruments, for beginners and for minamlists. It gives you a more "in the moment" approach to playing music. And if you prefer having presets there's ton of other synths.
This is what kills my interest in this synth. I believe you can save patches to a PC via MIDI, but would it have been too much for Yamaha to have added the ability to save some patches on the keyboard itself? Having to lug around another device to recall patches, or needing to manually recreate them, kinda detracts from the highly portable and convenient nature of this. Twice the price, but I'd rather go for something like the Minilogue XD.
3 buttons (store/select, previous, next), an LCD screen, and motorized sliders (like some pro mixing boards have), would be a nice addition. Could be part of a "deluxe" model at some point.
@@sypialnia_studio It's not about pre-setting its about being able to save your selection. If I spend time to create or recreate an interesting sound profile I want to be able to save it and use it again some other time. I might want to be able to switch between different settings (as done in the video) for a multi track song. Or use settings I created weeks ago. Taking a photo of the settings and manually dial things in every-time you want to switch is like having to retype the code of a program you wrote every-time you want to use it.
@@MrMartinNeumann I understand your point, but as I said this keyboard serves a bit different purpose in my opinion. It's for experimenting and learning basic and just having fun. It's not meant as a workstation or stage synth. The analog unsaveble state of settings makes every sound you design more unique and special as it's near impossible to replicate exactly the same.
I'm finding that owning and playing some synths that don't allow presets is increasing my ability to understand the programming process and make things from scratch, simply by having an idea of the sound in my mind. Kind of forces you to get off your butt. :-D
Love that you paired in the old Sequential drum machine for your percussion. That really sold it. Great rendition. Very authentic.
For those looking for a solid, workhorse synthesizer that won't break the bank or take up a ton of space, the Reface CS has a lot to offer (as do the other Reface models IMO). I used to own myself and though I liked it, I did sell it because I had a lot of other similar synths in my studio. I did keep the CP model though.
A few thoughts while watching: The Reface CS derives its synthesis engine from the larger, older Yamaha AN1X virtual analog synthesizer (and not the CS-80) which has a pretty loyal following of its own. If you've heard any progressive or melodic trance from the 90's or 00's you've heard that synth. Also I should mention there is a companion app for this keyboard that will allow you to save and recall patches very quickly and easily. I have friends that are using this board at gigs that way and they say it works great.
Great video. Very entertaining.
Just for that, I'm gonna go rewatch a bunch of your old videos
This one could do a smahing version of "Also Sprach Zarathustra".
wow, respect for David. He's got a 300$ keyboard with endless possibilities and yet he prefers to make IBM PC Speaker compatible music. That's some real talent
That’s something I’ve been looking for for ages. Less of the sarcasm please 😮😊
You recreated Axel F so perfectly the algorithm got you!! I'm more impressed than anything.
Enjoyable as always. Please upload more often on this channel. Thank you.
Sorry.. My target for this channel is 1 video per quarter, or 4 videos per year. I just don't have the time to work on it more than that.
Hows the commander x16 going?
The more I've played with my reface dx, the more I understand why people may want to buy the other refaces as well.
CS has bags of mojo. YC is cool. Considering getting the CP now.
I play the CS, DX and CP in my band. I use a self-made software as a MIDI-crossover so I can softpatch them however I want, also I use the software to store and reload patches on the fly.
Used this setup in several concerts and it works like a charm!
I really love these videos.
Back to headquarters, I really love this stuff. Epic :=)
Freaking copyright youtube strikes...
Well, you can consider this an compliment of sorts, you reproduced it well enough so youtube think it's the real deal.
Even though I can't store or save any of my patches I love this thing SO much. It is insanely versatile for such a small keyboard. It's one of those 80's style synths I won't be selling.
What a cracking little keyboard.
It's a travesty that "owners" who content-match get all of the money. That's basically theft of your creative work. So I wonder: What happens if two parties content-match? Is the money shared? Could you register your own copyright and content somehow and then content-match yourself to claim back your share?
It's his fault for using a copyrighted song.
0:23 is david actually linus?!!
LMFAO.
Do you mean Linus, the Peanuts character? Schroeder plays the piano, not Linus. Beethoven wasn't so great, either, as he didn't get his picture on a bubble gum card (according to Lucy).
@@Christopher-N you don't watch LinusTechTips do you?
@@ShiggitayMediaProductions: Haven't heard of that channel until you just pointed that out. Having looked at his list of uploaded videos, I don't see anything that would compel me to watch even one *Linus Tech Tips* video. None of it seems especially useful... though 10.2M of his subscribers would suggest otherwise.
@@Christopher-N Linus of that channel is known for dropping stuff, hence the reference with 8bitguy/keys aka David.
Awesome this synth is amazing. And remains very underrated. Looks like a toy sounds like a LEGEND.
Great sounding board. I need one now, of course!
Because of Family Guy, I can never listen to Axel F without hearing Peter singing his heh's.
and another heheheheheh
I was thinking the same thing.
I have exactly the same thing with the Crazy Frog version. Harald must have been kicking himself for not thinking of that "Ding Ding" to fill in that awkward gap in the melody. 😀
Lol, when the recreation is so perfect, that the Algorithm identifies it as original :D
This is so awesome :) This keyboard and a drum machine is a complete 80's band :)
I use my Reface CS all the time for Juno style chord pads. It's also capable of great Reece Bass and much more. I'll say I like my Yamaha AN200 better for the ultra saw, it gets less muddy in the low end. Most would say the Reface CS shares more DNA with the Yamaha AN1X than the CS80. Great video!