Once Upon a Time - WHAT WENT WRONG?!
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I think the downfall of the show was these three points:
1. The change of directors.
2. The change of writers.
3. Deciding to change the whole show by concentrating on Henry....
All in all, I still loved the show and cant wait till its done so they can sell the COMPLETE series pack
And the change of characters
Like most of the cast left sadly :(
Let’s not forget they kept changing the laws of magic, they abandoned story arcs, the show was at times unintentionally funny, they had great concepts but they executed it poorly(the Dark Swan and Underworld arc).
they lost their mature audience after season 3A..
The show sucked long before that
I actually thought they did well with henry growing up and taking on a greater role. To me, they got too stuck and wrote themselves in their own corners with plot lines, the stories between characters, and trying to use the curse formula over and over again.
While season 7 is definitely near the bottom of the barrel for me, I will give them credit for doing a refresh and trying to breathe some new energy into the series.
Regina has chronic back pains from carrying the whole show
LIT RALLY
Good one
ikr she wasmy fav
Then how does Rumple feel?
Lmao
the show crashed when they tried to restart the series after everyone got their happy ending. It was a pointless cash-grab and they tried to reuse the same plot with brand new, unlikable characters.
Not Happy Ending. Happy Beginning.
Season 1-6 was a mess but a lovelible mess, Season 7 was a completely unredeemable mess
I actually like season 7 lmao
I think the reason why the show crashed is because I think Disney was trying to copy off the success of Game of Thrones and they thought it would be cool to have all someone of their golden age characters to be put into something more dark and edgy
@@jolkm8133 same
I gave up watching when Rumplestilskin keep betraying the main characters
I stopped caring about Rumple's plot threads after season 3B. They should have left him dead having redeemed himself in his son's eyes. But no, they brought him back, and ever since then he's just a villain. You can NEVER trust him. At least before he was at war with himself, so sometimes he was on your side and sometimes he wasn't---but here he is literally NEVER on their side but they just KEEP TRUSTING HIM WTF
I wanted to pull my hair out every time they gave him another chance. Like, talk about “fool me twice shame on me”😑
Lmao 🤣
Yeah I really wanted to root for him but when he became the dark one again I was like... Really????
He is one of the best character in the show. Just continue watching you'll love home on the way
Honestly, I think the biggest problem is that went through storylines too quickly. There's only so many fairytales, and instead of taking their time exploring each one, they go through each character and tale extremely quickly. Many of the stories are barely touched. Therefore, as the seasons went on and they ran out of fairytales to explore, it became obvious that they were getting desperate and reaching for anything fictional, even if it didn't fit in with the "once upon a time" theme.
And I really didn’t like how much they were relying on Disney, I think it would have been better if they a) explore the fairy tales already established in depth or b) look into more obscure fairy tales like Prince Lindworm or Yuki-Ona
The problem with the series is consistency. Season 1 was consistent (plot, vilain, etc). Season 2 was ok. Season 3 was also ok and season 4 started to look weird. After season 4 was bad.
My opinion exactly
I noticed flaws starting to show up in S2, I stopped enjoying the overall writing choices for the characters and storylines after the Neverland arc, and I finally gave up to preserve my sanity after S5. I could brush aside a FEW occasional instances of OOC behaviors, mischaracterizations, and reactions in the characters of OUAT up until the end of S5, but then I just couldn’t do it anymore because EVERY character’s characterization was so WILDLY inconsistent and plot-driven that it was difficult to make out who ANY of these characters, and impossible to predict what they would next or how they would react, particularly Rumplestiltskin, Belle, Emma, and Hook. If the story for the characters on the show actually started to make sense, and you began forming logical predictions in your head for the outcomes of those stories, it was never going to happen and the writers would usually end up asspulling some sort of painful and nonsensical twist that often required for the characters to become wildly OOC because, according to Eddy Kitsis’ “genius” storytelling “As always with this show, once the audience catches on to what we’re doing, we have to change it.”
I don’t know why so many television writers of drama soap operas and fantasies think that they are doing a “good” job by giving their audience whiplash for having hope, and getting emotionally/mentally invested in the characters and story they are telling by making drawing logical conclusions and making logical predictions. That’s just very cruel, disrespectful, and lazy storytelling that kills the audience’s enjoyment because they aren’t included in the process.
The shows biggest mistake was ending the curse (which is partially what made it so great) in season 1, when it should have been the series finally
season 3 was best by far
I love this series I love the first few seasons like season one season two season 34 there’s some good episodes maybe they should’ve just left it on season four
To be honest, I just think that the entirety of season 7 shouldn't have happened. Though OUAT has its flaws, at least it always had an okay timeline and story. Season 7, missing half the past characters kinda kills everything.
IKR
Season 7 made me consider smashing my head into the wall repeatedly until my skull was indented
Agreed
It was a nightmare season 7. Should’ve ended in season 6 with original cast and captain swan having baby hope
Love the series! Must disagree though ,my problem with the show at least is that it gets rid of characters without finishing plots for them. Like Lily or Mulan who just kind of get tossed aside. It was still a good show at least to me until season 7 which is just dreadful. Also if I remember correctly each season takes place in it's respective year at least until season 4ish where I believe they stopped putting the year in the time jumps.
Also it was completely pointless to kill Neal off. Like he was just killed off on season 2 comes back and then he dies again. And then the whole reason he wants resurrect his farther is so he can come back to the real world even though it took his father 100s of years to do so. Neal also said that he didn’t want to have to cast a curse to do so. So he dies being kinda stupid. It just made no sense to kill him. If they wanted to write him off they shouldn’t had him leave storybrooke or go on a mission. Like at-least leave the door open for him to return. Or if they are gonna kill him off. Spend like atleast somewhat of a season focusing on him and then kill him off with an actual sacrifice. Not dying so his father could speak one word that just lets them find out what to do just a couple episodes early.
Ya i watched it all and i rlly liked season 5 and 6 but season 7 is like..... eesh
@@Me-zd4wh yeah lotta ppl believe that season 7 is the weakest of the show.
Lord Tydim ya becuz i still dont understand how there are 2 cinderelas...
@@Me-zd4wh they say that there is alternate versions of fairy tale characters of different cultures. Like how there is a French Snow White. But it makes zero sense.
I love Ouat. I do agree there are A LOT of logical errors....... here are just a few that I found
1. In season 3 when Henry and Emma get their memories wiped of the town, and they think that Emma never gave Henry up, it’s unlikely for Emma to name Henry the same name his adopted mother would give him.
2. In season 6 when the wish realm was created, there is no way Henry would exist, since his dad is Neal (Baelfire). Bae when through a portal in to the real world when he was younger. Which happened way before the curse. Rumple wouldn’t have wanted to cast a curse if his son was still in the enchanted forest, so Regina wouldn’t have a curse to cast.
3. Emma Swan never showed any signs of aging in season 7 even though it’s been a long time and Henry is all grown up.
Also, I did like season 7 but it was pretty much a different show with the same concept, but different characters... I think they should have just stopped it at season 6 tbh, cause that’s when Jen (Emma Swan) left the series.
And don't forget that they may have stopped the show because it didn't have the pair that started it all, Snow White and her prince.
With Henry though, he’s all grown up because he had went to the new enchanted forest from season 7 where time moved differently. Meaning he aged a lot faster than everyone in Storybrooke. So technically for him it was like 10-15 years but in Storybrooke it was like 5
@@devon_jordan7 ohk no wonder I was wondering why he grew so fast like it made no sense but your point gave me the answer.
Romance girl
How I enjoy Once Upon A Time: just stop at Season 6
There's only 3 episodes in season 7 that I think are worth watching. Episode 2, episode 4, and episode 22.
@@silver2therescue1 do I need any context before watching those? I watched through season 6
The show could’ve ended perfectly in season 6 with captain swan having baby Hope.
Seriously !!!
S4 for me
Reading the title my answer : Season 7
well yes, but actually yes
I stopped after season 3 and this makes me feel justified in my distaste of the show. Robert Carlyle and Lana Parilla carried the damn show. So much went wrong with this. Season 1 was the best one and I should have seen that as a sign, because most shows if not all have okay or bad first seasons. The show had continuity issues and character development was all over the place. I don't think they knew what to do with Rumple. I guess they were trying to show he was an addict. I admit I'm not a Hook fan, but I felt like they rushed his development. Also, I genuinely want to know if SwanCaptain fans think about the fact that Hook could have been Bae's stepdad if Rumple hadn't killed Milah? I need it written down everyone's connection to each other!
Alot of zigzags
With good reason, the some of the captainswan fans tend to say that hook was in the show in s1, which isn't true, and they basically wreck his development by making him take other people growth. Most of them being from Regina and Rumple, They did something good he get the credit, just for scoring point. I admit i hate hook with a passionn because so many people raised red flag about him, with good reason, which is kind of in tuned with the fact that he has basically no development. And i don't think the CS fans care about the fact the hook is bae's stepdad, they would just say that with SwanQueen, Regina is Emma great grand mother, even if the marriage was forced. Logic escape people and the writer after s3b
I could have kept watching if so many characters didn’t leave after season 6. 😭 I LOVED this show but I just can’t stand this season. I would have rather them ended it with Emma and Hook getting their happy ending and everyone living happily ever after. 🙄
Kayla Smith I know right, I do like season 7 but it has to be my least favorite, because it seems like a different show
It was not a happy ending for them, it was only a happy beginning, and it wouldn't last in a revival, because of certain loose ends such as the murder of Charming's father. Heroes and murderers don't mix, no wonder it didn't boost numbers. This story will only end with David's father's killer killed off, along with the murderer of Henry's father, Zelena. Two unfinished storylines. Based on what Wish Henry said and pointed out, That story still needs an ending. And those would only work in a revival. Very predictable.
For me they either needed to name it something different and make it a knew show completely or just not have a 7th season. It took me around 21 weeks to finish the 7th season because how much I hate it.
Somehow I watched season 7 but it was not the show no captain swan or rest of main cast.
fr, season 7 is just uncecessary and i don't like it :/
It became a fundamentally different show. Emma was gone, & subsequently so were her relationships with Killian & the other characters.
They also changed Henry & tried to make him the new Emma, but it didn't interest me.
I also didn't like what they did with alternate Hook having another relationship/daughter etc.
I think they should have ended with S6.
ikr
Something that got me really confused is Ashley who was Cinderella season 6. Then in season 7 this new girl comes and is also Cinderella. How does this work.
I was wondering that too.
Violín Paradise it's because there are an infinite number of realms with different versions of each characters. In the season 7 opener, Henry explains that there are different books with a French Snow White and an Italian one. This is also why there's a new Alice in season 7 too. The biggest complaint I have is that it's implied that the main fairytale land of season 7 is called "the new enchanted forest". But a lot of stories and plot points stem from the wish realm. So is the story set in the new enchanted forest or the wish realm? Or are they the same thing?
Magic. Simple
Infinifan80 hold on there was an Alice before season 7? I only remember the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts
@@liannapfister8255 Spin off series
You got some things wrong:
1. Dark One's power is not related to Black Fairy. Black Fairy exists more than 200 years and original Dark One came to be around 500 years in past.
2. August and Emma were sent to Earth 28 years before events of season 1.
3. Rumple's immunity to curses is nonexistent. The first Dark Curse gave him his Mr. Gold persona a his memories returned after hearing Emma's name in pilot I think. He was only immune to Spell of Shattered Sight as he adressed that his heart is already filled with darkness (or something like that).
4. Once Rumple became Dark One again his darkness was low due to his own darkness was sucked into Sorcerer's hat. The reason he was dying in season 4 was because of his dark deeds over centuries, not his Dark One magic and status. So technically if he retained his dark life style he would suffer same dying experiences in distant future. (Why Peter Pan's and Black Fairy's heart did'nt stop is more of a plot hole here.)
5. Enchanted hearts are physical embodiments of person's emotions and life force. If one's heart is removed from his chest he would cease to feel emotional pain and it also negates some emotions overall. When Snow split her heart she basically split her life force and revived David with it.
6. The David resurrection by splitting hearts happened in season 3 as the ingredient for the Dark Curse vol.2.
7. Season 1-2 takes time beween 2011-2012. Season 3 is 2013 and events of Season 4-6 is set in 2014 with Henry being 14 years old at that time and his actor was 16 at that time.
At this point I dont think you appreciate mystery and fantasy
What made the first three seasons work so well for me was I saw it as a metaphor for drug addiction, where magic is the drug that everyone tries to acquire and then control. Plus, I have to admit I love watching Robert Carlyle work!
I love the first three seasons. The others had so much potential and are still watchable but not the best they could have created
Robert carlyle is a genius.
Season 4 was what brought the show back with bringing an unexpected family to the storyline(frozen) that everyone was familiar with and the casting was perfect for each character with also including the fact that they brought in a storyline that explains the origin of Elsa powers in a much darker way than frozen 2.What really made this show go downhill was season 5 cause of the dark swan arc.
SPOILERS
Started watching the show during the pandemic.I don't usually watch network tv so the lower budget and acting took some getting used to.
I really liked the second half of season 1, season 2 was okay and i consider season 3 to be the best especially the first half. I also surprisingly enjoyed the frozen storyline in season 4 even though I don't like the movies and while the second half of season 4 wasn't as good I still enjoyed it.
Season 5 is where I really started getting annoyed between the way the dark swan storyline was handled, characters acting inconsistently (especially rumple), belle constantly giving rumple second chances, snow and charming becoming really boring overtime, Henry barely doing anything after becoming the author. I also hate how they have all these side characters who could be interesting but barely do anything with them. Not to mention all of the flashbacks, some of them aren't really necessary.And like you said the curses get really repetitive
Now I'm almost done with season 7, there's been a few good episodes but some of them have been really boring, some of the new characters are just worse versions of the original ones and the new Cinderella is probably the worst character in the entire show
Still, it can't be that bad because I've atleast made it to the final season, I'm usually pretty impatient and have no problem giving up a show in the middle of a season if I hate it enough
This show has some phenomenal acting when it was required, and some dreadfully uninspired acting everywhere else.
I watch Once Upon A Time because it's the best series created in the history of ever :3
Yes
I agree
I have seen all the sesons 3 times working on my 4th
I've watched the series 5 times
Sorry but no, I agree that the beginning was good, but then the writers started pulling plot out of their butt
People wounding themselves to get out of war was actually very common.
I absolutely love ONCE, definitely one of my favorite shows ever! The insanely complicated family tree of this show surprisingly never bothered me, I always enjoyed seeing the creative liberties the show took with familiar fairy tales and the twists they gave to some of the characters. I see what you mean about the show being repetitive and not having the best continuity, there were a few times even I was like "Huh?" But I still enjoyed watching every season including the seventh, although the storytelling was flawed at times I thought the writers did an incredible job bringing so many Disney/fairytale characters together, have their stories mix with each other and creating a world that had amazing visuals as well as meaningful character growth. It was one show I HAD to watch as soon as it aired and could NOT wait for the next episode, I really will miss this show and I'm glad it lasted as long as it did. Thanks for giving us your take!
Showman87 I agree
After a seven year run can you really ask “what went wrong?” Shows are lucky to make it passed one season, this one ran for seven, and gets to wrap up its story, which is another privilege for a network tv show when so many are cancelled without any resolution whatsoever. So this video should be titled “my problem with Once Upon a Time” rather than what went wrong”
The show was not wrapped, it was left unfinished with unfinished plots and loose ends, and was left open ended.
I can agree that it was not “wrapped up” as it got pretty complicated after season 3 especially when they decided to involve Frozen, as well as Camelot and the idea of the Black and White Swan. I just wished that they established or redeemed Emma’s relationship with Baelfire a little more cause I felt it was too short lived since they were building up on it. At least from my memory when it first aired
Honestly I stopped watching after the Neverland arc. Mostly because I totally forgot about the show, but when I found out they killed Neal and had Emma hook up with Hook I completely dropped it. Anything I learned after that was just painful. Honestly you could make hours and hours of content explaining the issues with OUAT.
Good for you.
I dont wanna watch season 7 i watched 3 episodes and its trash the only reason i want to watch it is for the small glimpses of emma and hooks relationship
It made no sense to kill off Neal. They had just introduced him into the show and I feel they wanted to kill him off cuz they didn’t know what to do with him since ppl were rooting for hook and Emma. Why wouldn’t they just write him off but still leave the door open for him to return. Like he leaves storybrooke. But instead they kill him off and they didn’t in an extremely frustrating way. He wants to go back to the real world so he decides that resurrecting the person that took centuries to get there. So it’s a trade rumple comes back to life and Neal dies and they call it a sacrifice just by allowing rumple to say one word that allowed the characters to discover who the wicked witch just a few episodes early. Also Neal mentioned that he wouldn’t cast a dark curse. Yet how does he end up back in the real world. BY ANOTHER CHARACTER CASTING A DARK CURSE. So basically his death was meaningless. They didn’t even do anything with rumple. They just took all his character development that was built up all the way from season 1 and threw it away. And then he got redeemed in season 5 and then they threw that away and then he got redeemed again at the end of the show and then they killed him off. So they basically repeated a redemption arch twice just cuz they didn’t know what to do with him. So his death was pointless. His death is season 3 was amazing. The whole show had been leading up to it. The show just frustrated me in many ways. The two amazing characters in the show were just writen into garbage.
Yes, someone who isn't in love with Hook and Emma, and stopped after Neverland arc!
@@TydimFilms I admit, I'm biased towards Rumplestiltskin, so I'm thinking am I objective enough, to say they ruin his character arc. I love Rumbelle, but their story fell apart when the writers didn't know what to do with their characters. I think they were surprised by the love Rumple and that ship received. Fine, if they wanted to have the Emma/Hook ship to sail then just Neal into a kid again or like you said give a mission that involves leaving.
I enjoyed the show until about season 5. Didn't care for the Dark Swan arc because at absolutely no point was Emma evil but they tried to be like "ooohhhh look she's evil" and tried to have everyone give up on her but like, she hadn't even killed anyone xD Regina was over here tearing families apart, ripping out hearts and crushing them, but people didn't really give up on her--but no, Emma turned someone to stone for half an episode until Regina undid it, OOOOHHHHH she's evil now, can't save her, have to give up on her. They tried so hard but failed so epically so I just didn't buy it. Evil Hook was meh--he went from zero to sixty real quick. If he's a Dark One then he'd be feeling it/seeing the Dark presence like Emma did the whole time, even without his memory of the event. Then he gets his memory back and IMMEDIATELY went all "NOW I MUST HAVE REVENGE" and went all super evil. Like, what? I'm sorry, what? Then he literally turned good again apropos of nothing xD WHAT ARE YOU DOING.
My problem with the show is that the Curse became a way to travel, basically. In the beginning, the whole entire reason Rumple molded history, and Regina, to cast the curse was to get to his son in the Land Without Magic and it was THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE. But as early as season 2, you can get back and forth quite easily. Just use a magic bean! Oh, they're hard to come by? In the early timeline Hook used a bean to get to Neverland AFTER Rumple, as the Dark One, killed Milah. So they were common enough then that Hook knew about and was able to get his hands on one. And he used the magic bean how many times after that??? If it was honestly that difficult to cross realms, or at least to get to a Land Without Magic, that Rumple had to wait hundreds of years and mold history so someone could cast a dark curse--then why the fuck are they jumping back and forth between realms every season now? And multiple times a season! It went from "this is the only way, once you're in a realm that's pretty much it for you" to suddenly being "oh, what's that? The object/person we need is in the Enchanted Forest? I'll be back soon, hang on" xD I get that they got items to help travel in later seasons, such as that wand Zelena likes to use, but when you make what used to be the main plot, the MAIN PROBLEM SPARKING EVERYTHING, into an easy trip... WHAT ARE YOU DOING. Rumple, you could have used the slippers. You could have used that submarine ship. You could have used a bean. You could have asked a mermaid for help since they can travel between realms willy nilly. Apparently fairies can travel between realms too, considering Blue tried to take Gideon to the Enchanted Forest by simply flying there. Rumple, you had a fairy wand. Come on. WTF are you doing. You had so many ways to travel to Baelfire and you chose to wait centuries on the off-chance he somehow made his way to somewhere where he wouldn't age and would still be there for you to find. It was understandable and relatable when the curse was your only way to your kid and all that was fueling you was blind hope you'd cast it and see him again---but when you had easier ways???
ALSO ALSO.... how the fuck is the Black Fairy responsible for dark magic when she's only been around about 300 years, same as Rumple and Pan? The Dark Ones existed before that. Sure, Merlin and the holy grail and all that---but that's dark magic. How is the Black Fairy the one who brought black magic into existence when it's been around long before she turned into a fairy?
Loved Regina's redemption arc. Wouldn't trade it for anything honestly. Her learning to love herself and accepting friends and loved ones into her life is precious. Hook's own redemption arc and finding the will to love again---love it. But the show should have probably stopped after season 4. Also way too many of the villains get redeemed. Zelena, Regina, The Evil Queen, The Snow Queen, Gideon, Ursula, Hook... Did they ever actually defeat anyone? Or just use love to redeem them? I get the message, but after a while it kind of stole any suspense. Also death isn't permanent; you can just go steal someone from the Underworld or they can come back through other shenanigans. How many people died and came back to life??
Emma is a boring main character. I said it. SHe's too nice and goody-goody. Even Snow has some darkness in her heart and has some dark moments, and Regina, even as evil as she was, had good in her heart then too. But Emma is just always nice and good and it's honestly boring. Especially after season 3. Her 'savior' ness is basically over by season 1's finale but she does still have a role to play in season 2. Season 3 she's basically useless. She's not even the one who broke the second curse---Regina did. Did she have any real part in saving Henry/stopping Pan? Nah. Regina did. She's just there to be called savior and give speeches and be the nice one offering second chances/being a paragon of good. Which is fine, but makes for a bland character. Give her some darkness, give her some conflict. Love Regina and Hook and their relations to Emma and the parts they play---but Emma is rather dull. I get that she's supposed to be a self-insert character, but that gets old after a while. As much as I love Hook and Emma together, rewatching the show left me with the question: Why the fuck is Hook so attached to her by season 3? She's literally done nothing but be nice, basically. Sure she fought him a bit, which probably earned his respect---but beyond that? Wtf did she do to really get his attention and keep it? And then after season 3 she's just 'nice' and he's super into it. The heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about---and everyone has that but Emma.
LIked the show, loved the twists on fairy tails, enjoyed when I finished season 1 the first time and was like "omg so that's how it all comes together, awesome" and was eager for season 2. Loved that it gave me that feeling. Sad at some of the choices they made. Too many times I had to skip episodes or fastforward because I knew what the story was going to be and I didn't care. It gets predictable sometimes and I've seen that plotline before. I know how it's gonna go. I like the show as a whole but rewatching it... I'll be skipping a lot of episodes.
Lmao now THIS was the rant I was searching for. Thanks💜. I agree with a lot and I'm satisfied. This was better than the video lol
@@king_tutt7063 happy to give you the rant you wanted xD
Damn! This is so spot on. After a few episodes into season 6 I had enough. I watched recaps and skipped through the show to find out what happened in all of season 6. Now doing some research on season 7 to find out half the original cast is gone and the plot had a reboot. The show already had problems and it seems that season 7 has no resemblance to season 1 other than the rinse and repeat of plot patterns. I'm done with this show. I should have stopped watching after season 2.
@@MrSupernova111 I never watched season 7 because I knew half the cast was different and they had aged everyone up and rehashed the plot. I was like 'no thank you'. For me the show ends after season 6, though technically probably before that. In my rewatches I'll probably stop before the whole 'dark Emma' ark nonsense.
@@EmerickSin . Yeah, I think seasons 1 and 2 were on point. EVerything after that is forgettable. Season 6 is overboard and season 7 is irrelevant.
Rumplestilskin was cool. I liked him a lot. He was my favorite. But around the end of season 4 I started to notice a decline. Rumple never changed.
despite the show and its flaws, i still love it and it gives me nostalgia 😄👍🏼
I loved this show except when season 7 comes along it ruins everything.
IKR LIKE WTF
MOST CAST LEFT AND LIKE it’s just pure bullshit now
The beginning of the show was way better
Fr and henry with cinderella and lucy like ummm no❤️ i watched the first 3episodes and it’s pretty much trash i just want to keep watching it for any captain swan moments. Then with lucy trying to be henry just no
I never liked the show, completely hated what they did to Peter Pan. But I didn't mind at first since when it first started it was giving it's own spin on fairy tales, BUT then Frozen happened and suddenly it wanted to be in canon with the Disney movies which made me HATE the show. I mean it didn't made any sense, especially with Rapunzel appearing in earlier seasons and looking nothing at all like movie Rapunzel. Plus just trying to watch it as a Frozen fan the plot was boring and the force on overall plot on Arendelle and the Snow Queen was just to chaotic to follow. I'm just glad they didn't upright try to force Jack Frost into it like the annoying fangirls wanted, I'll give the show praise for that at least.
Except that was not Peter Pan. He was revealed to be an original character named Malcolm masquerading as another character, and he wasn't the only one: S7 Hansel from Oz for example masqueraded as another character too, Jack.
Frozen is based on a fairy called The Snow Queen but instead of copying Frozen they should have done a twist on it
I don't care if people hate this show but I'm going to explain why I LOVE this show and some explanations:
1. One reason I love this show is because of the complicated family tree. I love seeing how all these stories connect
2. Season 1-6 ARE NOT in the timeline of 2 years. In season 6, Henry is 14
3. At the end of Season 4, even thought the Dark One is immortal but Rumplestiltkin is not. The "Man" of him would be gone but the Dark One would stay. Rumple almost died because of the deals he made.
4. The reason his health is not effected after he becomes the Dark One again is because after The Apprentice took the Darkness out his heart was a "Blank Slate" when he became the Dark One again his heart was kind of "Restarted"
5. In Season 1 when Emma Swan came to Storybrooke Rumple was not "Awake". When Snow and Charming went to him before the Dark Curse for answers, the reason he wanted Emma's name was for a loophole. In the seen where Emma is checking in for Granny's B&B , Mr.Gold asked her her name, he "Woke Up"
6. Another reason I love this show is because the show changes( there may be a lot of curses with memory wipes BUT what do you expect when you have a show going on for many great seasons)
ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME CAN BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT BUT I WILL ALWAYS LOVE THIS SHOW(........)
What the people told are pretty much facts.
the frozen arc and the reboot. boom. saved you a watch, that's what killed my favorite show.
The issue was never the complexity and relationship between characters, we knew what we were getting into after the very first episode. The issue was the 7th season that basically wanted to erase everything that had happened, made Henry the one not to believe - which was the biggest tragedy of all - and just made a lot of season 1 parallels just cause
Let’s just pretend the seventh season never ever happened
I have seasons 1-6 on dvd. I did watched season 7 somehow when it aired it wasn’t the show and never ever again watching it
🐀 what? 7? There wasn't seven seasons.
@@constancemiller3753 yea there were lol
Lol fr. If I rewatch the series, I end at s6 and watch s7 ep2 and 22, only bcs nostalgia gets the better of me with Hook and Henry's sword fight,Regina's coronation and bcs of the birth of baby Hope. After that, I go full curse-forget-s7-mode on myself to forget that memory. When I remember this show, 95% of s7 is a bad dream that never happened.
ikr, season 7 should not have even happened, it ruined the work of all the good actors
... i’m just sad that it ended I love once upon a time it was the best thing in history I love it so much I’ve at least watched it eight times
omg
I lost interest in the show after the first season. I understand keeping the curse on for several seasons would've dragged the show out, but they didn't need to bring magic into Storybrook, and they should've kept the mysterious tone season 1 had and Storybrook's small town drama. That's what appealed me to the show in the first place.
Emma got adopted by Ingrid who is the aunt of Elsa and Anna. So Elsa and Anna are Emma's adopted cousins. Baelfire also got adopted by George and Mary Darling.
Regina split Snow White's heart in season 3 cause Snow had to sacrifice Prince Charming's heart to recast the Dark Curse to get back to Emma. For reasons.
How many different magic users were introduced to this show, OP Magic Users and NOT ONE of them figured out a solid magic spell to stop someone from enacting the Dark Curse. Regina's solution at the halfway point in season 3 does NOT count.
he was called a coward because he abandoned the ogre wars and injured himself so that he could go back to his son... which you show.... he also doesn't remember who he is during the first curse until he hears emma's name (a loophole he put in) that is why he is so insistent that he needed her name in the pilot episode from snow
Tisha He later (i think season 5? Not sure) clearly says to Belle he hurt humself to leave the wars because he was a coward and didn't want to die after seeing the injured come back from war.
So many things just don't add up it has become very confusing. Like am I remembering this wrong or is it (again) a mistake?
(I do love the show)
Tisha no he knew who he was the entire first curse because he made it and designed it so that he could still remember.
Colin O'Donoghue is such an underrated actor.
I remember watching the pilot seven years ago. I actually thought it was going to be a miniseries. After watching that first episode, I said to myself "nope".
The show went downhill after season 1. was still watchable up until the season with frozen. I absolutely hated how literally everybody was pretty much related as the video points out. I hate how they made a big deal about if you drank from a river in neverland or something like that you can never leave but they found a way for david's sake like it was nothing. And this was another annoyance I had. Everytime something calls for a great sacrifice, the show quickly shows that their are no real consequences in this world. him being stuck for good should have happened as in all honesty he was a terrible character and useless. would have shooken things up a bit. Which also leads to my next complaint...THE MEN WERE USELESS! I'm all for strong female leads but you can do so without making the male leads pathetic or there for romance only.It was also dumb as hell at how Regina was being treated after a while. She was literally the GOAT throughout most of the series and better than Emma in every way other than when main character hax called for emma to be on top. It was annoying how The show took so many twists and turns with the disney characters yet when they got to frozen they literally took them straight out of the film. The frozen characters felt out of place as a result and it was clearly pandering to the at the time popularity of the film.
The only man who did not seem to appear useless is Prince Charming.
Everyone uses the Jedi force in this show it’s ridiculous !
What Went Wrong?
Literally everything midway through Season 3. After that midway point, there was a noticeable drop in the show's quality.
I still watch the series and love it.
I watch it many times,because it is diversified and always has a good, positive message.It has very sympathetic actors and characters that don't themselves too serious. It's unique and irreplaceable for me. It is very entertaining to watch their development from start until the end.
this is such a great reaction channel not only are you still being respectful to the creators you've done your research so good job!
Season 1 through 3: Great and solid story arc, with pretty likable characters
Season 4: So much overload!!
Season 5: Meh
Season 6: Not half bad.
Season 7: Didn't bother watching because it was essitenally a different show
I haven’t watched much of the final season but the second Cinderella completely confused me. That was a dumb idea. I think they should have just used some other character like I wondered for a while if it was going to be Tiana from Princess and The Frog or Violet from Camelot.
seasons 1-3 are *chefs kiss* 🤌🏻
I watched the show and enjoyed it. Although you DO need to have a knowledge of most or all Disney characters, their back stories AND be able to keep up woth the new additions, lol. I did love Regina though. She was a HUGE reason I kept watching.
Honestly, I dropped the show after the Neverland Arc, partly out of not being able to keep up with it and for jumping off the rails after that. I stream all my tv now, so if it's not on Netflixs or Crunchy Roll, I don't watch it.
I was there for Emma, Neal, Henry, Rumple, and Belle, and I finally quit watching after S5 because the character assassinating bad writing for everyone in the remaining main cast just kept making me angry.
It showed signs of potentially becoming trash, going all the way back to S1, OUAT’s best season, but they clearly ran out of story and just stopped trying altogether after the Neverland arc because they ran out of story. They killed off Neal, brought back Rumple, and derailed him and everyone else in the remaining main cast to re-rail them over and over and over again in increasing cheaply shocking, contrived, flanderdized, wildly inconsistent, wildly ooc, melodramatically toxic, annoyingly hypocritical, and ridiculously stupid ways out of nowhere on-and-off-again till they came full circle again to the same places they were at in “Going Home” at the end of S6-S7.
Except by the time I actually heard that everyone in the remaining main cast “finally” did the right thing, “got happy endings,”and/or got “redemption arcs” in spoilers for S6-S7 after I quit watching, I just didn’t care anymore about canon because there were just too many instances of horrifying and nonsensical character assassination, retcons, inconsistencies, and repetitive storylines to forgive these writers for damaging the credibility and integrity of the remaining characters and relationships with.
I imagine many other people in the fandom felt the same way at the end of S6 and S7, which is why most of us just pretend canon ended with the New Neverland arc because that was the last time there was any sort of coherency, consistency, growth, and integrity of character and storytelling. Most of us regarded 3B-S7 as a badly written reboot/spinoff of the show we once loved, and used its wasted potential and bad writing choices as inspiration for far superior canon-divergent/AU headcanons and fanfic for our favorite characters and ships.
I think OUAT is one of those shows I’ve come across where most of the headcanons, theories, and fanfic in the fandom are/were more entertaining and intelligent than whatever Kitsowitz and their team of hacks came up with on the actual show more often than not. I quit the show, but I stayed for the fandom because it’s full of so many amazingly creative and passionate writers and storytellers who put Kitsowitz and their team of hacks drivel to shame! It’s amazing to see how many people have grown as writers over the years of this show.
actually the show is supposed to take place in 5-7 years as Henry is a junior in high school when it ends.
Good summarre. The biggest problem was the Evolution of Henry, besides that was it ok. İ mean we like the villains more than the good people. But thanks to Rumple i saved my relationship bcs i was also like him and regina. But i learmed from his mistakes and now i have a angelly gf which i love. The Musical Episode was great too. İt is a really good show still.
I couldn't keep track who is related to who anymore I was Like how are They related again
It went wrong when Hook basically became the main character, for me at least. I loved the performance too, but it becomes dull if you don't see enough of anything else, just felt like the fans were being spoiled. Also, I prefer Hook being the "bad guy" and Peter Pan the "good guy" (both are in quotes because both characters are meant to have flaws, like Peter is heroic but also immature and naive, while Hook is clever and mature yet also bitter and relentless).
Hook is not mature. He’s a pervert, tries to come betweeen the parents of children, a murderer and is still a liar. Nothing fully changed him.
It was a fun feel good show. It should have ended after season 6, if they were going to leave Storybrooke.
regina and rumple as grey characters are fine and i like Regina redeeming BUT everyone does not need redemption arcs . Regina had a good arc , others had lamer arcs . Also dark swan and CS ruined the show
CS is absolutely what ruined the show for me. That and Frozen.
I gave up watching this show during the first half of the second season, because of these reasons; its a shout out to every character in the Disney cannon, stilted acting, terrible CGI effects, and lousy writing. This show was a waste of time, it had good potential, but instead we got a fanfic soap opera with cardboard cut out characters and a mediocre budget.
Honestly they should have ended it in season 6. It was such a nice wrap up of the show at the end of season 6.
Season 4 really ruined my childhood.....
Episodes 5 to 10 of season 4 I can’t watch that again I hope Ingrid went to hell after she sacrificed herself
5:50 Actually, there’s six. Peter Pan’s curse was countered by Regina. Ingrid cast the Spell of Shattered Sight, and sacrificed herself to undo it. And Maleficent put Storybrooke under a sleeping spell.
You mean Malcolm.'s curse.
It was pretty fucking good. Complicated, bit challenging even, but thats what made it great. Where it went wrong was season 7, but everyone knows that doesnt really counts as ouat. It pretty much ended in s6.
For me this was an amazing tv show until season 7, they should have left us with the happy ending in s6 (I will not lie, there were some good episodes in season 7, like s7 e12 e13 and the finale). The season 4 finale has to be one of the best tv show moments of all time, and they kind of let us down with the whole dark Emma thing. Overall, one of my favorite tv shows, and they did a really good job
The family tree was awesome!!! Thank you for that!!!!!
i finished the show today and i was so pissed it didnt go on
Who else just wishes that they would bring all the Main Villains of Each Season and have them fight the good guys
(Apart From Regina, Rumplestiltskin cause they turned good)
And when I say main Villains I mean like Zelena, Cora, Hades, The Black Fairy, Ingrid, and of course everyone's favourite Villain Peter Pan Like be honest who wouldn't wanna see all of them fight against the good guys?
Quite frankly, the issue with the show was that it went on for FAR too many seasons then it actually had plot to fill. Also, even after Season 1...it forgot what MADE THE SHOW FUN.
I love ouat and l'm glad we got six seasons but yeah the continuity on the show was the worst. Since with each new season it felt like the writers over complicated and over lapped everyones back stories more and more, to the point it felt like they crammed multiple back stories they wanted to explore into one or two characters.
I think thats why even though story brook kept growing/people where traveling there all the time by season 4. It felt smaller then in season one.
When did they say it took place over 2 years? I don't remember that though so much happened I wouldn't be surprised if I just missed it.
I'm trying to get through season 5. Is it even worth it anymore?
Sort of. If you get to the underworld we get to see some of our fav charecters
If all the seasons had been as good as season 1
I liked season 1 I wish the evil queen stayed evil it would of been more interesting
My biggest complaint is breaking the curse in season 7 allowed everyone to use magic in Hyperion Heights which makes no sense. The only thing it should have done was bring back their memories.
Awesome breakdown !!
I love Once Upon A Time & have all 7 season's on DVD. Watched season 1-6 & am watching season 7. I wish the show had continued past season 7 as the story's of the character's are far from over, hoping for a reunion some day & the continuation of Once Upon A Time.
Just here to correct you on that last part: Henry is referred to as a teenager in the later seasons. I do agree that the show got so convoluted and by the end of Series 6, I couldn't understand what the fuck was going on! Series 7 tried to be more simple, but it was just a less interesting version of the first season. I really think stuff like the Frozen arc are overhated though, because the creators did try to intergrade these characters with the show. I kept watching the show throughout its run, hoping it gets improved. And, I suppose it did a bit. Seasons 5 and 6 were significant improvements to Season 4, but then Season 7 came along, and I am so glad they never made a Series 8.
Bro I loved this show as a kid but nothing beats season 1. That was really great story telling and everything was new and ambiguous! After that is started to lose the magic. I also loved season 3 with rumple and peter. But even then I feel like season one can be considered very good quality tv and then after that it’s kind of just fanfare. Granted it’s been a while and I stopped watching after they went to hell.
You forgot that like 90% of the characters upon disapered for no reason.
I have a theory: when Rumple made a deal with Snow White and Prince Charming that when Rumple talks about Regina's curse, Rumple would know the name of Snow White and Charming's baby (Emma). But why would Rumple ask the baby’s name? He therefore asked that whenever someone says the name Emma during the curse, Rumple's memory returns.
From season 6 i couldn't go through with it anymore...
S5 is where i ended the journey with the show
I honestly stoped watching after season 1 they should have left at that nothing else should have happened
You should watch ss2 and ss3A, the show still ok till then
Tbh I have no problem with giving SOME fairytale characters a connection to their Disney counterpart but fully adapting complete Disney characters? No! When Elsa, Anna and Merida showed up it was over for me. Yes, include the fairytale snow queen but not the Disney version of it which isn’t even accurate to the original story at all
i loved the frozen part of season 4!!!🥺🥺 but after that everything low key went down hill
I learned something new!
It’s 4 years. They state that Henry is 14 years old in season 6. They address that he is a teenager. He 11 by some point in mid season 2. There is a 1 year jump in season 3 making Henry around 12. Leading him to around 13 in a5 and 14 on season 6
It was great but then it jumped the shark... landed and found more sharks.
also we all know as of season 2 hook and cora were frozen during the dark curse but in season 6 e 6 it shows hook on nemos ship the nautilus with subtitles that say "during the time of the dark curse"
Cora and Hook weren't the only ones frozen during the first curse. Aura, Phillip, Mulan, Lancelot, Anton, etc were frozen too.
@@NickyHelp yeah ik I just threw cora in there cause she was with hook
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i loved this season the only thing i had a problem with is i was confused threw out the whole season wondering is cinderella is from the wish realm or not and how stupid the ending was when regina brung the wish realm to story brook i love then the idea of bringing everyone realm like oz,untold stories ect.. but not the wish realm it makes no sense like it a copy version of the real one just with regina not casting the curse and if you think about it they have copy realms to so its like the hell.i think they should have kept that realm alone in season 7 and done somthing like rumple useing the serum from the doctor to split him self like regina did and thats how the other rumple appeard.
So um... anyone else remember that one time they retconned basically all of season 1 by making Rumpelstiltskin drink magic flower juice?
Seasons 1-2: *muah French kiss
Seasons 3-7: *gag reflex
This video perfectly explained why I will never watch this show again!
Where I can watch it?,
Disney plus
Omg henrys daughter was my best friend alison in fourth grade she was smart and super nice
I love the show
Nothing went wrong, sleemo. They did what THEY wanted. Save for the 7th season.
They should've ended it at Season 6 in my opinion
And it would still be incomplete with unfinished plots hanging without an end.
1. Mulan didn’t have a storyline or happy ending 2. Changing the cast, show and storyline without main cast was biggest mistake season 7 was a nightmare
What I think is the saddest part is that most of the main cast decided to do other movies, and or TV shows which gave the leading role to Henry. I guess when people ask for an encore it can be sad that the show didn't exactly measure up to what it should have been due to the main cast moving on to other things. Don't get me wrong the show is still wonderful to watch. But if I had to point out what could be wrong with it, it would be that the main cast were suppose to play the important roles as the main characters. But because most of the important cast wanted to move on to other things, that took a lot of the important script out, and Disney had to change the script by making Henry the main character. It is still a watch able classic though.
I know these are 2 different types of stories and themes (and probably a very unpopular opinion), but I feel like The Wolf Among Us game was a better interpretation of the whole "fairytale characters gets put into our world" thing. I feel like with Once Upon a Time, it had so much potential! Especially with the first season doing so well. But the plot gets very muddy and confusing. With Wolf Among Us, it's more of a simple story but with the characters still feeling more original but true to their characters.