Could Frieza Defeat the Sith? | Dragonball vs Star Wars
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
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Today we pit two of the most powerful and evil sci fi empires against eachother to figure out who would win in an all out war, Frieza and the Frieza force from Dragonball Z and the Empire's Imperial Army lead by Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. Who will come out on top?
0:00 - Introduction
1:37 - Imperial Army
3:32 - Frieza Force
5:06 - Frieza's Power
5:55 - Darth Vader's Power
8:06 - Battle Analysis - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
The difference between Darth Vader and Frieza is Vader can punch a board and it will break in half. Frieza can punch a board and wipe out its entire race.
“But can he block?”
Nice reference
@@eggmemer7007 you mean dodge
@@tchoythao5579No, the quote was block.
And then Vader will meet General Mountain....
In terms of DB power, the Sith would be the kind of enemy Frieza would have sent Kid Vegeta to wipe out.
Saibamen wipe out starwarsverse
Cap
True 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
but then luke from legends appears and solos the entire frieza saga
exactly
Rebels: “Thank you! Thank you! [Freeza] has freed us!”
Freeza: “I wouldn’t say freed! More like under new management!”
(Death beam one of the rebels)
Gotta love the megamind reference.
Facts
I don't know If this works man The rebels were never under management of the empire
Frieza's army armor would look great on the rebels
When the sith lords are said to be more powerfull than the death star or when Vader says " the power to destroy a planet is insignificant" he refers to the fact that death star is simply a big pew pew gun while the force and the sith lords can be much more flexible and be used more effectively
Yeah i agree. It's a massive ass pull to say anyone in star wars has planet busting powers, when some big creatures can give Vader a run for his money. They would not be able to survive a hit from even Raditzs.
For sure. This was a nuanced comment about relative value, not a comparison of raw destructive force.
@@OldManInternet I am happy many agree with me and have good english
Even after Vader says that, a General calls him out on his Bull Shit, and Vader’s only comeback was choking the guy.
They can life steal entire planets tho.
If Ginyu took Vaders body he’d immediately regret it
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Anakin: No takebacks!
Don't think the body change technique has ever been used on someone wearing a helmet that covered their face so it might not even work on Vader anyway.
@@Kakarot64. Or maybe the beam would break the helmet making Ginyu suffocate right after taking the body lol.
Ginyu ain't stupid. He would go for Sidious instead. So many people forget Ginyu is a tactical genius hence why Frieza respects him as a good soldier and his true 2nd man
So... there is a big issue with the calculations in this video regarding Frieza. You have to remember that when Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta, he was suppressing himself massively. He was only in his first form, which only has a power level of 530,000. Keep in mind that only a power level of 10,000 is required to blow up a planet according to most guides. In comparison to his final form, Frieza has a power level of around 120 Million during the Planet Namek Saga at 100%. That is around 226 times more powerful than his first form's level of power and 12,000 times enough power to destroy a planet. To be honest, this isn't even a contest. Frieza would sooner die from laughter than the Galactic Empire even laying a scratch on him.
I would also add that Frieze could just blow up the whole empire if he wanted to in a instant.. So his army wouldn't even been needed.
That’s why I said he’s star level.
@@lonkstakes Edit: These calculations in this comment are wrong. Check below for details.
The Sun in our solar system is close to 100 times larger than the Earth (according to Google). So if we were to take that into consideration Frieza would have enough power to blow up a star 120 times over. I don't know where that places him in terms of power, but it is pretty ridiculous at the end of the day.
@@SupercharizardEx No, the sun is 330,000x more massive than Earth. That was not a credible source.
@@fulsted7167 My apologies, you're right. The source was credible, but I misread it. Apparently, the Sun's diameter is 109 times larger than that of the Earth. Volume on the other hand is 330,000 times larger. However, Frieza really only needs to be able to cut through the core of the sun until it explodes, which would be at the Sun's radius. If that is the case, he would need to burrow through 54.5 Earths to reach the core. Therefore, after scaling it would require approximately a power level of 545,000 to blow up the sun assuming it took a power level of 10,000 to destroy the Earth. 120 Million divided by 545,000 equals about 220 times that the sun could be extinguished. Feel free to correct me if I am missing something here.
Considering Frieza can destroy an entire planet with a flick of his finger while Palpatine and Vader needed a giant moon-sized laser, it's pretty clear who could win.
Don't underestimate the bullshit "science" the galaxy far far away can pull out it's ass.
They made a vaccine for the Rakgule disease, which is literally a work of Darkside Sorcery, not an actual illness...
While I agree that a straight up brawl goes to Freeza 100%, Palpatine is a sneaky bastard who knows how to play the long game if he has too...
Now if we consider abeloth z frieza gets completely screwed over
@@VillainousToaster Dunno about that seeing how Abeloth still lost to Luke and Krayt. Yes, she has great powers and could manipulate minds from the Maw, but I don't think Frieza is exactly feeble minded, as arrogant as he is. If anything, it might be more of a tie (and that's if you include Frieza's 4th form--if you include Golden or even Black Frieza, then it's Frieza's win).
@@krraika1847 yes but I did say z frieza and not super Frieza because then nothing in sw stands a chancem
@@VillainousToaster I agree. Just saying it might be a tie between Z Frieza and Abeloth. If Super Frieza is involved, then he wins.
I laughed during the conclusions when they were saying "Palpatine and Vader are relatively equal to Frieza". I mean I don't think I've ever seen Palpatine casually destroy a planet with the wave of his hand, and Frieza couldn't probably do that to a solar system at this point. The difference is so ridiculously high its comical.
King vegeta destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand frieza in first form is over 50 times stronger lmao
Like, you don't have to be a genius to know the difference. One uses weapons to fight, the other is a living weapon. One needed a lot of time and resources to construct a planet bursting device, the other is casually a planet burster. One lost his body to a volcano, the other will casually swim in it. One needs light sabers to deflect blaster bolts, the other will casually avoid it with his reaction speeds
How is this even close.
@@t-masterrules5085
Apparently, hardcore Star Wars fans are much fucking dumber than I imagined was even possible.
The people arguing in the comments section against Dragon Ball is absurd.
Goku punched a Rabbit to the moon when he was 12, can Vader even fucking fly?
Frieza at full power (also namek super Saiyan Goku) are roughly at star level meaning they could blow up a star. Still technically below solar system level but way above anything Star wars characters have
Sooooo you've only ever watched the movies and don't actually know anything about the characters.....
Frieza by himself could defeat the entire galactic empire by himself
And could easily tank a death star beam
yea this is pretty stupid XD. its like saying could a T-rex kill a single ant. Lawl. Fucking Yamcha in the sayain saga could defeat the empire.
@willclark4449 exactly
A freaking sibaman could take not only the empire but the rebels too without breaking a sweat
@@MegaMrAlexis all nappa has to do is lift those two fingers and its KO XD
@@willclark4449 gotta get dem views :P
Hell yeah this shut wut the fuc
They need a death star to destroy a planet. Frieza just needs his finger to destroy one
Sidious has force storm to swallow enviornment
@@abstraction6212true but Frieza is way more durable and Sidious is not. One hit From Frieza and he's dead.
Exactly. Frieza survived a planet exploding while being sliced in half and hit by a Super Saiyan blast. Vader would already die from a jolt of lightning which Frieza can generate by just unleashing his power. And Sidious couldn't even stop Yoda returning a senate platform to him, and Frieza could throw entire mountains with his telekinesis without even trying, so i do not see him stopping that.
@@abstraction6212but can he survive getting the Jesus beating out of you by a super saying getting slashed in half hit with a ki blast and the planet blowing up in your face
@@abstraction6212 shhh stop, stop, just stop. Your argument is too insane to be dignified with an actual answer. Just stop.
Vader does says " the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force", but I cant say I remember Vader ever force chocking a planet to death. Frieza on the other hand has destroyed multiple planets alone and can survive in the vacuum of space and even when cut to bits. I feel that in a battle between those two Vader gets vaporised before the two ever even meet face to face, because Frieza would just blast any ship showing hostility towards him.
Why do I imagine Vador Squeezing a planet like a orange when he trys to choke it lol but ya
Captain Ginyu alone would obliterate the entire Star wars universe, the good and bad guys. This isn't even close.
Zarbon could do it easily
@@westonmeyer3110💯
GULDO could do it
Buu could destroy the Force
Dude. Dodoria would solo
Freeza doesn’t need a Death Star. He is the Death Star. I believe that force mind tricks and such have only been used in close proximity. Freeza would be able to react in a instant and dealt a killing blow. Also DBS has shown that fighters can be caught off guard. I can tell you that that isn’t happening with Freeza. He’s too sadistic to be caught off guard.
Jedi mind tricks have been stated to only work on those who are weak-minded. Frieza's mind is anything but weak, given how he is one of the most cunning and ruthless fighters in the DBZ franchise. Frieza also has access to telekinesis so I would imagine that he has the ability to fight off mental attacks as well.
Frieza was able to bridge the gap in power from the Resurrection F arc to the TOP arc with JUST mental image training, there is no way Frieza would be susceptible to a Force Mind Trick.
Remember that time krillen faught freiza. Just saying
@@toboyaki_tagaraki yeah he did actually caught him off guard with a destructo disk, but Freeza regain composure right away and even learn the technique from just watching it once. Also Freeza should have survived and he would have probably killed Krillin.
Frieza has the same mind tricks and powers as the sith
The freeza force is literally full of raditzs and saibamen and each one can destroy a small planet by them selfs
Just Zarbon and Dodoria would be enough to wipe out the entire storm trooper army by themselves
@@DiscusvissenRocken bro even an Yamcha can do that
Themselves*
That's right Raditz can whip out the empire
AWESOME! LONK'S TAKES
My guy, Frieza literally survived a planet exploding with half his body missing
And he was heavily beat before that. And the explosion was so big it could be seen from outside the galaxy in the anime.
And the other half of his body was only destroyed by Goku
If they land a hit with the Death Star II at full power, they might give him a small bruise.
Maybe, except if he is in Golden or Black form then it doesn't even register.
Maybe a small singe mark and a wry comment about almost feeling that one.
I think they will give him more than a bruise. Both DS are not toys. DS-1 instantly blasted Alderaan away as if there was nothing, all while piercing it's planetary shield. So far so good only Beerus was shown to obliterate planets instantly. A direct hit from any Death Star is a potential hazard for Frieza especially as he would most likely use his first form in a conflict like this one.
@@alphadios2003Except DB characters can tank their own explosive blasts.
@@goldedrag111 rhe deathstars ray pierces through everything as the dud above me said it pierces through a planetary shields. Not even shields can save you from this one.
Unequivocally yes, Frieza in his first form is already stronger than the Death Star. Not only could Frieza in his first form defeat the Sith he could solo the whole Star Wars Universe. He can also breath in space and mind tricks only work on the weak minded which Frieza is not. There's a reason why people like Guldo who can literally stop time or Ginyu who could swap bodies was a servant to Frieza. Even if you were to attack Frieza off guard it would not work. No matter what gimmicks you have they are no match for raw power.
Under Dragon Ball's rules, power will always trump raw hax. Hit vs Goku or Jiren, Vegeta overcoming Babidi's mind control, Vegito whooping Buu's ass while literally transmuted into candy.. And there's not a being that can stand to First Form Frieza, much less Final Form/Mecha with King Cold at his back.
The Jedi/Sith Mind Trick would MAYBE work on Cui at *best*. The Sith lords really have nothing that would win outside of the sheer miracle of a beheading with a lightsaber. (As being cut by plasma based attacks (?) is how Frieza went into being Mecha Frieza) But there's not a timeline where that blow can ever be struck. The lightsabers would just get stolen off the Sith corpses, given to the scientists, and mass-produced.
@@michaellevin2861 exactly! Brilliant examples. Power trumps hack abilities.
a few things y'all are forgetting:
the sheer size of the empire and their technological superiority.
because here's the thing: no matter how strong freeza is, there is only one freeza (and one king cold which still only makes two unbeatable beings capable of unaided space travel), the martial superiority of anyone else in freezas forces quickly becomes a non-factor when they're dying out in space, meaning that the superiority of the empires space ships actually matters, they can make distances in days that would take months to complete in a saiyan pod or one of freezas larger ships and they could easily destroy any ship in freezas fleet in battle.
and sure you might say freeza can survive in space and he could destroy any imperial ship by himself within seconds, but freezas forces would still loose pretty much any battle freeza isn't there for, and once he arrives they jump into hyperspace, they're gone and freeza can't track them, he'd be busy putting out fires everywhere as the empire just shits on his fleet leaving freeza with two options: negotiate a conditional surrender with his dignity in tact, or end up a king without a kingdom.
freezas biggest shot of getting out of this conflict not completely humiliated is if palpatine gets the idea of turning freeza into his apprentice to replace vader, which would allow freeza to come close enough to his enemy leadership to just murder vader and palpatine.
@@windhelmguard5295😂😂😂 freeza is sadistic and hates losing. Freeza would much rather wipe out every single planet in the galaxy one by one then surrender. And everyone here is just talking about namek saga freiza. Not golden or black freiza. The empire would eventually be wiped or freiza would abondon his fleets and move around untraceable find the dearh star with vader and the emperor in it and blink it out of existance
@@windhelmguard5295 Frieza's henchmen all have power levels of over 1000, Meaning that the Average Frieza Force member is already still planet level. I think it's odd you're factoring in Spacecraft here not to mention we're assuming Frieza's forces couldn't forcibly commandeer any vessel with superior travel. They are space pirates after all whose business was selling planets. Also as shown many of Frieza's soldiers can also breath in space. Empires relying on technology alone will always eventually collapse economically specially against forces which can unmake them with minimal effort. The idea that Frieza would bend the knee to anyone is ridiculous. If the Death Star was the penultimate form of fear in which to control the Galaxy, Frieza would be the most feared entity in the Galaxy and it would be foolish to go against him. Frieza was the strongest in the Universe for a reason.
I feel like the Sith were super-high balled.
We just don't have the feats for Vader and *_The Senate_* to truly scale them to anywhere near even first form frieza. Even Palpatine's greatest showcase of power during his duel with Yoda in RotS he was still not anywhere near the absurd levels of strength displayed by Frieza.
It's also heavily implied that Vader's powers even if they are comparable or even surpass Palpatine's own, are suppressed by the suit and the damage he took during the duel on mustafar.
If legends was brought in he would be scrapping with dbs frieza not black Frieza tho
@@magnetic9089 hell no. Vader’s best feat not even planetary in legends. And palps can make giant force storms lame asf
@@jazazo4956 that storm is 5D.
@@diegomeinie9472 still doesn't reach planetary levels.
@@pyktukasplays4945 they actually are.
I think when Vader was talking about the power of the force, he was referring to how it held the galaxy together, not his personal ability to control it. Also, I think that the references to dark Sith as "powerful weapons" is referring to their ability to intimidate and command. As an old Star Wars fan I do like how you logically justify the battle as being virtually inconclusive. That put a smile on my face lol.
The Sith could probably use the force to stop a Ki blast, but I have serious doubts that they could react to Frieza's movement speed. When Frieza starts firing off those red Ki blast beams, people just start dying.
I imagine itd go like this
Frieza (first form): *death beam*
The sith: *using all their power just to hold it back*
Frieza: "Adorable." *puts slight more power into it completely overwhelming them*
@@BobThePenguin. It can be deflected
@@binghambud Doesnt mean anything if the other person can simply shoot 50 more at you at basically the same time. Casually, without exhausting them and for the lolz.
@@Fion355plus, wasn’t it shown that even Frieza firing a single death beam could destroy an island? (Namek Saga kind of confirmed this)
Frieza and Palpetine would be sipping that expensive space wine, while Vader suffers in some corner.
LMAO
That rose wine
SAME.
Realistically, freezer would erase them all in 2 seconds
While laughing. 😂
The Empire would adapt and make it impossible for Frieza's military to invade. Their space tech far surpasses the Frieza force. All they would need to do is catch Frieza out in the open, blow his ship to kingdom come, and FTL away leaving Frieza stranded in deep space to die. Frieza's military 100% depends on actually landing because i've never seen a Frieza space fighter, have you?
@@SephirothXValentine
Frieza has survive in space, see: his destruction of planet vegeta. Frieza is also faster than hyperspace.
@@SephirothXValentineFrieza literally brags to Goku about how he can survive in space what are you on about 💀
Unless he was bored and decided to play with his food.
Frieza looks at the DeathStar.
Laughs maniacally.
Look What They Need to Mimic a Fraction of MY Power
Frieza wasn't a planet destroyer unless it proved to be too difficult to conquer. He was a planet broker, the galactic empire wanted to rule the galaxy. Frieza wanted to rule the universe
Planet busting in DB works from around 10 000 so neither Nappa or Bardock were planet busters. Vegeta in sayian saga was. So there's point where Sith Empire would perish. Befeore this you can just blow up planet. Even if Nappa was stronger than Vader he would just die in vaccum.
@@piotrkarp9562PL of 10,000 is large planet level while 4000-5000 should be medium size planet
@@piotrkarp9562 planet busting doesn't work at 10k power level. If you remember, baby low class Saiyans as great apes were planet busters and the power of a regular adult Saiyan is about 1500 and great ape is a 10x multiplier which means an adult Saiyan great ape should be around 15k which means a baby should be less than 5k. I think a 3k power level should already be a planet buster. 10k is what is needed to one shot a planet like Vegeta's galick gun.
The Star Wars scaling is the PEAK of highballing. It is extremely hard to get them to this and he used the most vague statements ever, not taking in context because it's basically impossible. I don't think Canon Vader/Palpatine has any near-lightspeed feats. Even in Legends, the scaling is too low to get past the first bit of DBZ.
The most powerful weapon does not mean the same destructive power, it's stupid to compare and use a vague statement to say Kylo can destroy multiple planets easily.
There's the statement of Kylo being rivaled by Vader. We see that Starkiller Base is directly superior to the Death Star, being able to output multiple projectiles and much more destructive power to blow up multiple planets instead of one at a time. Taking those previous statements literally makes it look like Vsder could output more power or just as much as Starkiller base, which just does not make sense at all.
Especially when these are the same people who are being hurt by lightsabers, if this is taken literally you're upscaling Obi-Wan Kenobi and basically every other Person or Jedi who has ever interacted with Vader.
When Vader said "The Death Star was insignificant to the power of the Force" was something along the lines of versatility and just having better uses in general, rather than a glorified laser pointer.
Exactly, I usually think he is right in most of these videos but this one was just disingenuous for the sake of making a fun video.
Legends is actually still a difficult one, since the novels heavily imply that Force Users (when using vehicles) can move at hypersonic/light speed in sync with theirs. And that can be scaled as even more insane, as Anakin the best pilot in the galaxy, had problems even seeing sidious' movements during the windu VS sidious fight.
@@somethingwithultra7231 Not really, since Kid Goku has consistent lightspeed laser dodging feats. Especially his “Solar Flare” feat in the Tournament.
People like King Piccolo and Roshi whose low power levels being dwarfed by Raditz actually were Moon busters.
Lowballed early DBZ characters would still blitz and destroy legends continuity characters.
Tuskyomi
This. Many of the statements used to literally scale people here were never meant as such. In early Star Wars the Force was basically just treated as a religion, so Vader stating that it is more powerful than the Death Star is more along the lines of „Yes this bomb is strong, but God is still all powerful“ instead of „I can use the Force, therefore I can destroy planets just by using it“. And if that were the case, why even build s Death Star and waste resources on something Vader and Sidious could have done themselves? The strongest Force feat I remember was probably tearing down that Star Destroyer in Force Unleashed which in no way compares to destroying planets or even suns. And even if it did, Frieza survived a planet blowing up while on it. While tanking a full power blast from Goku. While being cut in half. I don’t think there is any meaningful way a Sith could hurt him. Not even Lightning, he just tanks natural lightning in that one episode which is immensely more powerful than whatever Sith can put out
I watched this like three times to make sure I wasn't missing something, but I just kept disagreeing more. I think the biggest issue is how baddly the power of the sith empire was highballed. Vader and Kylo absolutely do not have the destructive power of the death star and star killer base. They are able to accomplish more than the weapons through political moves and man to man fights but they absolutely are not planet busters. If they were then it wouldn't make any sense to build the weapons in the first place. The protagonists who fought Vader and Kylo would have to be relative to that level of power as well to be able to fight at all, and if that was the case Luke or ray could have just destroyed the super weapons with the force alone. Star killer base was able to destroy five planets at once, not an entire sun, meaning even first form Frieza would likely be able to tank a direct hit from it. Love your videos my dude and this one was certainly a cool concept but yeah freiza wins this one, no difficulty
I mean, it probably isn't cannon, but there are sith like Darth Nihlus who can consume all the life on a planet to fuel their own existence. Darth Sion who is functionally immortal unless you break his will, though that might be beaten by the disintegrating powers of ki blasts. I mean Freeza still wipes the sith, but sith in the past have been planet killers, and Vader is supposed to be the strongest of them all.
@@rahl163 oh yeah, no, if we are counting legends continuity it's totally different. With the main cannon that is presented in this video tho there is no shot
At the same time, there are alot of weird Sith feats including in canon which some power scalers have leaned toward being like universal+ though.
@@rahl163it’s *canon* not cannon.
@@rahl163 Unique force powers like Nihililus and Sion's still don't make a difference when put against the completely overpowering force of Frieza. Also I don't think there have been any other planet killing sith except Nihilus, Vader may be stronger in terms of fighting prowess and skill, but Nihilus is the only one who's showed a force power capable of doing something like that.
I think it's a bit of a ridiculous high ball to put the Sith on planet/star level. The characters saying that they are the most powerful weapons of the empire/first order probably doesn't mean that they are literally more powerful than the star busting space stations as much as they are more valuable assets overall.
Planet to Star is a mid ball for Star Wats, you can get them way higher. Palpatine has legitimate 4-D scaling for being able to tear through space time and affect hyper spaces with his force storms
@jocoolshow let's not forget about force crushing, and the force unlimited unlike ki
@@jocoolshowI know for real
Did you make this video because you were bored? 😂 I love the breakdown of everything, I’m a fan of both franchises. Having said that you can’t compare… or you can. It would be like a lion vs a butterfly.
The idea is cool, but I didn't think we'd ever have to think about this (Frieza obviously wins and there is no timeline or alternate universe that has,does or will ever exist where Frieza loses)
How are the Frieza force going to invade if the Empire literally blows them out of the sky in deep space since the Frieza force has not been shown to have any deep space fighting capability and completely relies on planet side landing parties? That literally just blows any chance of a Frieza force invasion out of the sky 100%
Frieza is pretty much the only character we know of that has any chance of surviving a space encounter, and if his ships are all disabled and he gets stranded in deep space and the enemy jumps out he's out of luck unless someone comes to pick him up. Bro doesn't know how to sense energy let alone navigate to a distant galaxy on his own.
@@SephirothXValentine😂 You gotta be trolling the entire frIeza force can breathe in space they literally fought bardock in space what are you on about
@@poppadnice52Saiyans can't breathe in space, can they? Goku can't so why would his father be able to? They may have been in high orbit, upper atmosphere.
@@BJGvideos most of the frieza force is aliens, while some of the human looking ones had respirator helmets on
literally only if frieza doesnt pay attention and gets cut in half by vader's lightsaber. thats the only scenario i can come up with. or he throws the discs again and forgets them again.
Frieza would blink and kill them all
That's wishful thinking.
Frieza isn't that much more powerful than Sidous and Vader assuming it's Sayain saga.
Of course if we use the resurrected Frieza or the Frieza from GT then yeah
@@-Extra_Lives is it crack?
@@corey5712 hes technically right. Saiyan saga/early namek we only knew about friezas first form who was a large planet buster/small star level. His subsequent forms eradicate the empire with a finger though
@@djspit8929 well anybody can beat anybody if they let em. But still that doesn't make much sense to me either.
This was a nice video, thanks!
Empire literally needs a moon-sized space station cannon to mimic a tiny fraction of Frieza's first form power lol
everything the Sith could attempt to do Freeza he can do better, Use the force Freeza can use telekinises, jump really high Freeza can Fly, Blow up a planet using a death star Freeza can do it with a finger, use spaceships Freeza has spaceships that can get from one side of the universe to the other in a matter of days, using blasters force lightning and lightsabers would do nothing to Freeza it wouldn't even cut him so it's not a fair match up at all
I think the Ginyu Force would do the job
If a sword can cut Frieza and distructo disc cut Frieza I recon a lightsaber can one shot Frieza
@@crimsonking4151 A destructo disc can cut through anything regardless of your power, and the sword you are talking about was being use by someone that is more powerful than the death star.
@@ernie9538 so does a lightsaber, and cell wasn’t harmed by the disc, and trunks’s sword swings are not plant level. Just cuz he’s strong enough to level a planet don’t mean the sword slashes he used on Frieza are planet level…
@@ernie9538 the Death Star can one shot DBZ characters. It’s possible. The full extent of their AP in general ranges from moon to multi galaxy levels (DBZ). Other than buu and arguably Frizea. No one in Z has been able to tank a planet level attack. All in all lightsabers and the deathstar are legit threats to Frizea.
Star wars power levels never made sense. These Jedi and Sith can die by a group of clone troopers. Thats practically human level.
And on top of that him trying to scale star wats characters to lightspeed because they’re moving and controlling a ship at light speed is kinda wanking it ☠️ because a point blank blasted fight would be ridiculous as they would never land as low tiers in star wars would be able to react effortlessly
They are all very weak.
Vader isn't a planet buster. He's just a human with cyborg parts and force abilities. Nowhere in canon does he remotely come close to destroying a planet or display any power beyond street level. He could slap around some normal human soldiers with ease and beat other force users but he can't deal with superpowered beings like Frieza at all. His lightsaber can't even clip Frieza's nails.
Keep up these what ifs man this is awesome lol
Honestly the power scale of the two universes aren't even close. I mean beginning of series Roshi arguably solos the entirety of the empire
If you ignore that time Roshi was restrained by a rope that was controlled telekinetically to tie him up by General Blue I guess.
@@Kakarot64. General blue was actually strong in original dragon ball.
Master Roshi could destroy the moon in buff mode in Dragon Ball.
Another interesting concept, roshi could use the evil containment technique to trap Vader and palpatine in containers if the star wars fuck boys wanna keep pulling technical bullshit out of their ass to make it seem like it's even a contest 🤣🤣🤣
Roshi can't do shit to the Galactic Empire. He might be able to destroy a death star and beat as many storm troopers as he could up until he tires up. He is old. He doesn't even fly.
If Frieza without training easily beats them imagine Golden Frieza pulling up 😂
Now imagine black frieza
He swipes his hands and literally vaporizes the galaxy
You didn't watch the video did you?
Dude I love these vs situations you come up with your answering the random ass questions I have in my head THANK YOU!! Keep it up!
I don't even have to watch this video to know that Frieza would absolutely annihilate the entire Star Wars universe lol
The Frieza Army (if they're smart) would use Ki to shield themselves from laser blasts and overpower the Empire's foot soldiers and drone with relative ease.
Dodoria and Zarbon would speed blitz and tank any attack the Sith officers have. The Ginyu Force would cover for them if either of the two were overwhelmed.
And Frieza? A flick of his pinky would wipe out an entire armada.
Hell. Ginyu could body jack Vader or Sidious. It wouldn't do him that much favours but it would essentially render them useless.
@@marche800and give vader ginyus body? Hed stand more of a chance then even if it was injured.
Dodoria and Zarbon were multiple times stronger than the Saiyan invasion Vegeta and Vegeta was literally wiping out worlds that had civilizations just like Star Wars which had blasters and ships. Frieza is literally 10000 times+ stronger than Dodoria and Zarbon. Frieza wouldn't even need to show up to destroy the Sith. Just his foot soldiers could do it.
@@BobThePenguin. vader aint doinf shit with a beat up body with a hole in his chest. Plus Ginyu can always just steal Sidious
They literally would be immune to the empires attacks unless the death star hits a very weak minion
Guldo blinks and the entire Star Wars universe is gone😭😭😭(just a joke)
But it's true tbh
Luke, Nihlus, Valkorian, Abeloth, and Darth Krayt stomp Guldo
@@abstraction6212 They arent even real. those characters are fan fiction
Uninronically Guldo could kill Vader by holding his breath
Good video man
If a Sith had deflected a Death Star blast, or used the force to catch a planet busting blast and redirect it with ease, I’d be more on board for this. End of the day though, these are sci-fi swordsmen with telekinesis decent… which Freiza also has. They’ve shown no feats or strength that even compares to Nappa, much less Freiza.
I think at most, I’d say a light saber is as dangerous as Krillin’s destro disk. They might steal a few wins on certain characters that underestimate the sharpness of their sabers, but that’s about it imo.
Exactly!! Frieza could lift a rock the size of a small mountain with his telekinesis without even lifting a finger.
Legends Palpatine has some crazy feats, Force Storms are basicly 40K Warp Rifts in practical terms, plus the body hopping after he died.
But most of Palpatine's greatest powers aren't direct combat ones, they're stuff like long distance telepathy with subordinates and Battle Meditation that theoretically could enable his to coordinate a whole galaxy spanning war.
And people in DB universe has been shown to hone their Ki around their body and make it sharper than anything, so if they want to do lightsaber fight they could too. But I feel like dumbass Goku would just body block it and not even effect him.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC I mean... funny enough Freeza, of all people, was strucked by lighting in series during Namek arc. It didn't work.
Great video. I do feel there was some areas with Frieze that was down played tremedously that could futher demonstrate his power scaling and speed.
I don't think Frieza was down played. The sith were high balled by a LOT.
@@shannonhogan1841I could see abeloth being a fair match for freeza, but the sith? Not so much.
OK OK- what if Cooler was added into the mix?
Frieza kinda just wins. Cooler is seen as stronger than frieza. Hell cooler even has his own squadron who were beating zfighters. You'd have essentially A stronger frieza (Cooler), And a stronger version of the ginyu force (Cooler's squadron). If you dont count cooler's squad into the mix. Frieza still has the advantage over the sith. Since at the top of the power. it would be a 3V2.
With the way you worded your comment, I'm reminded of Scott Steiner's Math Promo from TNA
No need for that over kill the empire loses
they send the ginyu force to deal with the whole empire and the frieza family has a reunion
@@iamNOTbelowtop75 Cooler isn't even canon, fuck Cooler.
Considering that the entirety of the Saiyan Race constituted half of the Frieza Army, I say that it was far more superior than just 10s of thousands at maximum in terms of numbers.
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Frieza destroyed a planet with a finger, if the Sith want to win they'd need some illusion tricks or force drain maybe.
But Frieza could probably deal with it by transforming.
And the Ginue force would most likely wipe anything that comes in the way.
Frieza/King Cold/Cooler all individually take out every part of the empire before Super.
Cooler’s Armored Squad, the Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, Cui, the 3 Saiyans, Avo, and Cado would clear the army probably individually too. This includes the Super specific henchmen from anime and movie Resurrection F.
I'd say the biggest difference is Freiza doesn't need a death Star.
Freiza is hundreds of death stars who in the course of super has become OVER THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DEATH STARS, that have the potential to become THE ONLY DEATH STAR.
I think this video was pretty accurate to how the fight would probably go down also cool video
This is so stupid Frieza just blows up Coruscant and the Death Star with 1 finger. The empire spent 20 years building the Death Star to blow up 1 planet at a time, Frieza can blow up a planet in seconds without even trying.
You point out that they have massively lower AP and speed even in comparison to First Form Frieza (Dwarf Star and MFTL for him and Planetary and FTL for them) but then you go on to conclude that they're extremely close to his Final Form?? Am I missing something?
Nothing this video was pointless
Why even compare the 2 Frieza is one shotting anything in that Star Wars universe , shit he would become the new Sith Lord
Imagine fighting on a space station and suddenly Frieza decides that he needs a little bit more advantage and just casually blows it up.
Sidious would definitely have to use portion of the force to sustain himself and Vader would need to protect his suit or he'll be in a similar situation.
damn, with king cold I got hyped for something we'll never be able to watch, great video
Frieza:Thats nice black suit dont mind if i get one myself
Vader was not being compared to the deathstar 😂.... He was stated as the ultimate weapon because he was relentless, emotionless, etc.... its completely disingenuous to misinterpret those statements in that way... Vader does not have planetary AP lol... id be surprised if he could even destroy a mountain....
Typical powescaler brainrot in full action.
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One thing to note: Kid Goku took out the Red Ribbon Army an army you could use as an equivalent comparison to the Imperial forces sans starships, including for the elite troopers armed with advanced tech.
Goku being no where near the strength of a Frieza soldier means you only need 2 of them at minimum per planet in Star Wars to completely decimate the Empire.
As others have said, the Death Star being useless next to the power of the Force is a statement of value not raw power, because at the end of the day the DS will only ever be a giant super weapon. There are no feats for either Vader or Palpatine straight up destroying planets casually with raw power, their feats are more on Kid Goku's level as far as canon is concerned.
That means Frieza absolutely bodies both of them.
I mean you mentioned right at the beginning of explaining Vader that you're highballing statements as literal. So yeah star wars just doesnt have the speed or reaction time to match any of Freezers forms
It has. But he clearly doesn't know about characters like Abeloth, Nihilous and others who had, casually, Star Level+ of powers. Of course it doesn't go beyond that, but they're not playing around either...
This is a "no contest" there is nothing the Empire could do that would even cause Frieza any damage, let along stop him.
Lightsaber ,cut off his breathing with the force Shatter point Death Star one shots. The force will work on Frieza since it’s not chi. I’m not calling it a victory but there are ways the smith can win
Remember, Frieza doesn't even need to breath. Dude can survive a planet exploding, what's a lightsaber gonna do? And every character in DBZ uses and tanks beam attacks.
@@Chris-xc4rv lightsaber can go through anything. Kienzam and a sword can go through Frieza and so can a lightsaber. Dragon ball characters can bust planets but very few db characters can survive planet level attacks.
@ราชาสีแดง Crimson King All the main characters and villains after Frieza can EASILY tank planet or solar system level attacks. Lightsabers won't do anything unless they are enveloped by a user with around equal or stronger ki then Frieza has. Otherwise it'd bounce off him like a baseball bat. Also lightsabers cannot cut through anything, even in the Star Wars universe this isn't true. Lots of things can stop lightsabers.
@@MrKevin486 yeah this is objectively untrue. SsjB vegeta was killed by a planet level explosion. The entire Saiyan race was killed by a super nova. SSJ Goku would have died on namek with out a ship. Goku was also killed by cells self destruction witch was at best planet level. SsjB Goku was also one shot by a henchmen. I can go over ever Dragon Ball death just to prove planet level is the cap on durability for 90% of Z characters. Frizeza was also killed by trunks’s god breaker and Frieza was killed again by Goku’s Kamehameha. Nether of those blast were planet level but were enough to atomize Frieza’s body.
Alright... there's one key thing you've missed here: the force doesn't grant increased durability like Ki does. Instead, the Force grants precogniscience. Even if we accept your scaling estimates as valid, the moment Vader makes a mistake or leaves an opening, it's over. Same with Sideous. Heck, Farmer with a Shotgun could beat Sideous, for a couple of reasons:
1. Sideous, for all his power, has the durability of a normal human. One good shot from a shotgun could kill him, if it manages to hit.
2. In Star Wars, conventional firearms like a shotgun actually exist. They're called slugthrowers, and they're any lightsaber-wielding force user's big weakness, as the projectile moves so fast that the force user has to entirely rely on precogniscience to be able to block or dodge and physically wouldn't have time to respond at point-blank range, and even if they were to manage to parry the shot with their lightsaber the round will just melt and spray hot lead all over the force user, rather than deflecting. Put Sideous in Raditz's place at the very start of DBZ, facing off against Farmer with a Shotgun at close range, and you'd have one dead Sith Lord.
Zarbon: Lord Frieza, there is a Galactic Empire that took one of your planets. What should we-
Frieza: Send Nappa out.
Bro frieza would solo every planet
there is no debate Frizea stumps lol alone even Kid Goku...
Vader: frieza let me explain you may be popular but i am iconic
Frieza: no it's impossible
Vader: search the internet you know i am right you may be powerful but i made the i am your father cliché
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I agree that Freeza would win still. But I disagree that the sith would put up that good of a fight. Freeza, while suppressed and not even at his full power in his first suppressed form destroyed planet vegeta, a planet with 10× the mass of earth with one finger. And it took him under 20 seconds to produce the energy needed to not only destroy, but completely obliterate that planet. This wasnt at all a difficult feat for Freeza, he could continually do this if pressed to do so and it wouldnt be much of a challenge to him. As far as hax, physical strength and speed, Freeza still vastly overwhelms the sith. Raditz is speculated to be able to move and react at light speed atleast in short bursts and Freeza is 100,000x Raditz strength. In the Freeza saga he effortlessly lifts an entire mountain to hurl against Goku, and he opens a hole in the ocean, all the way to the bottom with ease as well, maintaining it so he could torture vegeta. Freeza is also struck by an actual lighting bolt and nothing happened at all (keeping in mind this was his final form but not even 50% full power. The best weapon the sith have against him is likely the ability to predict the future to some extent as well as their light sabers. It was shown that Freeza cannot fully resist blade or cutting ki attacks and in both of his early encounters it is these to things that lead to his downfall and then death in the future. So, that being said they are capable of killing Freeza simply based on certain tools at their disposal, but if it came down to a real fight, Freeza would win easily. If he got cocky and toyed with them instead of killing them outright, he does stand a small chance of being hurt or mortally wounded by a lightsaber. But even if they used the death star on a planet where Freeza resided as a sneak attack, he can survive planetary explosion and breath in space. So not a very high likelihood they could eek out a win. As a matter of fact, the sith arent stupid and as such would likely, upon learning of Freeza, stay off his radar and persue other means to fight instead of rushing in.
Nobody in the entirety of the star wars universe is laying a finger on 1st form Freeza
Darth Vader? Palp? Being star level while Frieza is a planet level in his first form?
Actually lightsabers cut through high temperatures. Freezer casually withstnads magma. We'd need to know lightsber temperature, and if they are any lower than the temperature Kamehameha may produce, then they'd do nothing. Sun temperature would be enough though as we saw with Cooler
@@teofilogarciatrujillo6330 lightning is a lot hotter than lava, and im pretty sure magma too. And lightsabers are supposed to be in the ballpark of 20,000 °F. Also the answer to whether Freeza could be cut by one isnt simple. It could absolutely cut him but if he used Ki to defend theres a chance it wouldnt do much
@@CanonRulesSaysGod 20k F degrees is 11k Celsiuis, twice as much as sun's surface, so it would be more than enough as Cooler's death suggest. Still Freezer's speed is in such another level that it is unbearable that Palpatine and Vader could even turn their lightsabers on before getting killed
Really great video! I always wanted to see someone make a video about frieza going up against other villains and thier armys. It would be cool to see freeza invade planets from different animes and movies. Great video 👍
Would only need to send ginyu force and watch the fire works
Sidious:I have a battle station that destroys planets
Frieza: That's cute
Fully agree. When you look at the comics, books and other sources you'll realize that the force users of star wars are bonkers in terms of power
You would realise they could peak at planet surface level (Darth Nihilus being best example), but not reach first form Frieza.
Friza is definitely winning this literally all he got to do is to do the move he did to krilin
Really enjoyed this video 💪
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Evil space wizards VS. Evil space real estate agents? Sounds like an interesting movie.
8:41 this part lol
The weird thing is how the power and Star Wars works in comparison to DBZ. You could argue that Darth Vader or the emperor, could catch the blast of some of the attacks, deflect it or returning it, but their physical bodies are not able to take much of the abuse Frieza can dish out. On the other side how would domination powers that Vader and the Emperor work with Frieza, such as choke, grip, crush, etc.
The moment they tried to start choking him it would probably piss him off and he'd blow up the planet or ship their own😂😂
The force choke etc. are basically telekinesis...Frieza has those abilities. He can move people and objects through air. And he isore durable physically than the people and creatures Vader/Anakin fought. The light sabor is probably the only thing that could harm him (he has been cut by energy attacks and blades before) if the one wielding it is fast enough, witch Vader isn't.
Frieza: "See what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our power!"
gold saints from saint seiya: look how cute those kids playing pretend are...
So his argument in favor of Vader is Vader will be fighting using the force while simultaneously piloting a ship on full blast. Whenever we see Vader use the force, isn't he using his hands? Vader needs to use his hands to move the steering wheel. How would Vader fight while driving. Will he be using his legs to use the force?
If you took it as Vader in a ship that’s my bad. They’re just fighting on a random planet or something idk.
@@lonkstakesbut if they're not on ships, doesn't frieza just blow up the planet and take the automatic W from being able to survive in space?
@@mattdavies9813 I second that. Plus, without the ships, how would Vader dodge any of Frieza's attacks or even survive long enough to hit Frieza? With the speed difference and both of them on land, Frieza could end Vader 1000x over before Vader could use the force once.
@@fdd4957 Because Vader reaction speed is mftl with his feats and other pilots feats reacting to hyerspace
@@fdd4957 Vader can react to anything Frieza throws at him
I agree, if you were going to use legends then dbs would have to be brought in and that’d still be close
Although, the inquisitors would probably be a very helpful aid in this battle of empires and might have swung the battle
So your saying it would be close if legends empire battled with BLACK FRIEZA?
@@tadmccord2465 nah with gold Black would clown the empire
@@magnetic9089 gold is still super overkill
Not even legends nothing other street level
@@originalserpent1834 as far as I’ve seen on legends, they’re nowhere close to even beating a Frieza Force Grunt, or a Saibaman in that manner.
*Freeza looking a the Death Star* "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power!"
gold saints from saint seiya: look at those kids playing, so cute...
Frieza: Sneezes.
Darth Vader: Completely disintegrates.
How is Frieza vs Vader and Palpatine close? Frieza is basically invulnerable compared to all those low level opponents, they could not even touch him because he outspeeds everything/everyone. Zarbon and Dodoria can solo the sw verse
Is everyone forgetting that he could just go golden? With that they would stand even less chance than they would with his final form.
This is Namek Frieza, not Super Frieza. Super Frieza is literally Multi Universal in just his Final Form and higher in Golden. Just 1st Form Super Frieza on his own would be capable of one shotting the entire empire at once seeing as he's far stronger than Tagoma-Ginyu who beat up Kamicollo who is at least Solar System Level.
@genericwhitemale9566 I think the key point is that frieza got thst strong in 6 months. If he actually wanted to be stronger he could easily ramp up his strength. His growth rate is insane.
Black frieza
But this is namek saga
Even Namek saga Frieza could easily beat anything the Empire could throw at him. He could destroy an entire planet without even breaking a sweat and he also posesses techniques like telekinesis, and Frieza makes even Sidious look like an amateur. Sidious throws a floating disc while Frieza threw an entire hill at goku without even blinking anneye or any form of effort
The empire needs a death star to accomplish what Frieza can do with a finger.
Come on man. Palpy had to build a moon sized space station to blow up a planet. Frieza has to open the window and point his finger at a planet to blow it up. This isn't even CLOSE.
Didn't realise how strong Vader was, nor did I ever consider pilots flying at lightspeeds a feat. Quite interesting! Frieza also has the ability to breath in outer space.
Another thing to consider dbz characters can run out of ki, while I've never seen or heard of force users running out of the force. Friezas team definitely has a lot of hacks
But space is a vacuhm!
Vader is not that strong this guy just took vague statements out of context, if vader could destroy planets, there would be no need for a death star
Even if Vader could pull that off, people seem to forget Frieza could do that in his first form without even trying, and his final form is actually his real form. First form Frieza is his extremely surpressed form, and even in that form he could do things Vader couldn't even dream of.
Not mention Frieza new form which would be over kill
A funny what-if could be Frieza kills Vader and Palpatine offers to train him in the dark side of the force and because of Frieza's potential after 1 week of training he grows exponentially stronger than Palpatine and kills him
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Current frieze will wave away the entire starwars canon with a casual point of his hand
That's the most cope I've ever heard in my life... Palpatine and Vador INSANELY close to frieza in combat (????) you can't be real mate... there's no fight to be spoken of there...
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.”
Vader was not talking literally, sith are more useful due to how they arent just a laser gun and can actually do things. That doesnt scale their ap to the death star
@@IsotolerantThere’s literal comparatively fodder Jedi that can output planet destroying energy with their force abilities, Yarael Proof, while literally mortally wounded and about to drop dead, was able to cancel out the energy of an artifact that was going to destroy Couruscant
Frieza sneezes and the whole empire gets destroyed
Can you do a video with the Empire vs every power rangers like in the Legendary Battle?
I made chat GPT do this story and Sidious and Vader narrowly won with the help of the Death Star(Frieza had no outside help). I'm no Star Wars expert but after some research, the sith are pretty powerful !
The Death Star wouldn't even scratch Frieza. He'd literally just stand there and let it shoot him and nothing would happen.
@MrKevin486 They used it more like a distraction to keep Frieza guessing and take him by surprise every chance they got because surprise attacks work in Dragon ball when they aren't expecting it, ex. When Goku is ssj blue almost died to a normal laser in Resurrection F
@Ambidextrous Lamia That only works on specific characters in really specific circumstances. I can't think of any scenario where Frieza would allow a moon sized object to wander up to him and kill him because he wasn't paying attention to it. Goku allowing himself to be hurt like that is a Goku flaw that isn't shared by the majority of other dragonball characters. Frieza is one of the most cunning and intelligent of said characters, he is also perpetually paranoid and wouldn't drop his guard ever in the manner that Goku did/does. He trusts nothing and no one.
The Death Star superlaser fired. The beam of pure destruction streaked through the void of space, a testament to the Empire's unrivaled power. Frieza's eyes widened in surprise, but he had no time to react. Vader, however, had anticipated this.
(another paragraf)....
Floating amidst the wreckage was Vader, his protective Force bubble having saved him from the devastating blow. Opposite him, Frieza was also intact, his ki acting as a shield against the Death Star's blast, but he looked visibly shaken.
It'a very long fight but the Death Star was more like a helper to keep Frieaza en edge not actually kill him
@Ambidextrous Lamia Being on edge is the total opposite of being so relaxed you'd like a "Goku situation" happen though. So the story doesn't make sense. If Frieza was on edge at all nothing Vader, the Death Star, or anyone could muster would be able to hurt him because being on edge means your being ultra protective of yourself moreso then usual. Anyways the point in the end is there is nothing in the Empire capable of actually hurting Frieza, so it doesn't really matter what they do.
This makes for a very interesting concept
You forgot the coolest asset of the Frieza force.
This video should only be 5 seconds long with the words "Yes, he solos"
It takes a space station the size of a small moon to do what took Frieza a single finger from his hover chair