Luffy heard a weird roar like noise that gave him goosebumps. Bet all my fictional pirates currency that he heard Loki’s stomach and will simply free the man in order to let him eat a bowl of Oops! All Ragnaroks.
I think I could see Loki having a way with words to manipulate people or it being part of his df and convince Kidd and the Kid pirates to help him out. If Shanks is elsewhere (maybe preventing a certain black beardish fella from going somewhere), I could see it being tough for the Luffy and the Strawhats. It flips the situation in Wano to Luffy now being tag teamed. The Giants might be busy with dealing with a faction that believes in Loki.
Is it just me, or did the silhouette of Loki look like a fishman? Oda’s always played pretty fast and loose with the silhouettes, but this one seems to be the most egregious. Prove me wrong?
I have a few theories: 1. Loki could join the crew to add Giants to the races on the crew 2. Kid could have drifted to elbaf and be found by the old giants which big mom attacked. They would like Kid for getting revenge on her for them or just even have respect for his strength. And we could have this be a moment of character growth for him where he'll grow some sort of grandfatherly connection with the old giants and want to protect them/ get revenge for them if they're hurt. 3. Barto will have made a barrier ball and his crew will all be running inside it like a hamster ball to make it back to the island.
@@gabrielgoes0 Its not abt the legend so much as it is abt these particular characters.....Usopp is too weak for the fandom to believe he can defeat somebody like Loki who i believe is gonna turn out to be ridiculously powerful, Oda pulls from classic tropes all the time and still manages to make them uniqely his own
Ussop and hajrudin working together to beat Loki would be cool. Since giants come in pairs and hajrudin has never had one. Especially since hes lokis brother
Hajrudin is Loki’s brother? Wasn’t Hajrudin as one of the contenders in the coliseum on Dressrosa where Diamanté was, did he mention anything in regards to his world or his life cause if he did cool but I don’t remember.
Something that caught my attention at the beginning of this arc was Luffy's disappointment in Usopp being almost killed by Iskat. I think it's the first time he actually scolds him (although not very harshly) for needing help defeating an enemy. That could foreshadow Usopp's development as a warrior by eventually achieving some major victory later in the arc.
Liam, your production and channel art is so good. I've been watching your channel regularly for about 4 years, and watching the evolution of your channel is a journey. I also say "mind brain" a lot now, lol.
The Rob Lucci situation gets even worse when you remember that 5 Seraphim were also on the island which would push him to 12th, though thankfully they were stuck in bubbles
Rob Lucci gave Luffy 1 of his toughest fought victories pre-timeskip the other being Crocodile & both became significantly stronger since being defeated by Luffy. Still Zoro shouldn't have been playing so much against Lucci.
7:32 I can easily see Usopp defeating and even subjugating Loki as his right hand. His path to glory has been laid out since Dressrosa. Bow down in the presence of his glory, God Usopp, king of Elbaf.
I think Usop will recognize that strength is not the only path to become a brave warrior, accept and embrace his cleverness as his main weapon to do so
I'm good, a bit axious because tomorrow I travel to work and it's giving me butterflies in my stomach. But if Usopp can survive Elbaph, I can survive this work-trip!
I hope that Prince Loki have the Logia Sun-Sun Fruit which would explain why he sees himself as the Sun God and that it fits the Norse mythology of Surtur burning down the world of all life in Ragnarok.
@@Memelord1117 But Magma beat Fire at Marineford and we have already seen Prometheus, ocular Paramecia would be interesting - another mythical Zoan after Kaido/Yamato/Elders/Marco doesn't sound very original. Plus if Kaido was the strongest being Loki probably 100 years too young to match him as a Zoan
If Loki turns out to be the main antagonist, I´m way more curious to see his retainers and the matchup with the strawhats. Maybe we have already met some of them, like giants secretely supporting Loki
Loki felt like lillith in egghead arc. It's still way to early for the 1st or 2nd most poweful antagonist of the arc to appear. I think there's still 2 or 3 stronger character that has yet to appear for later. Unless oda is trying to speedrun the series this year.
@@uuh4yj43it doesn’t matter if the arc is fast as long they execute the story properly, and besides the anime will fill in the blanks and show the entire arc perfectly so that it wouldn’t feel rushed.
I can’t wait for the end of the year so we can create a new bingo card. This is what I want to see in Elbaph: - Robin reunite with Saul and read the Ohara books - Usopp being recognised by the giants - Loki addressing the whole Lola/Big Mom situation - discovering a link between the island history and the void century
I think I’ve figured out Oda and his ambiguous death thing. He only truly confirms a character kill if it adds to the plot. All these characters like big mom, kaido and kidd, he’s kind of unspoken killed them because it’s the end of the story, but he leaves it open ended in case he comes up with an idea for them later on. He didn’t even think he’d get to elephant, that’s why we saw so much of it in flashbacks and when kidd and shanks turned up there. But he kept it ambiguous enough because there was a chance we could explore the whole island! Oda has a rough idea of where he’s going, and he definitely plans ahead but he pretty much waits to see where the logos takes him.
this is confirmed in an early-ish sbs i'm pretty sure, he doesnt like to waste cool characters he made. and he really liked kidd too when he designed him, so i think just ending him would be weird, especially by luffy's idol's hand.
@ I don’t think we’ll see him in this arc because Oda doesn’t really have any use for him. Anything he does in this arc he’s already done in wano. There’s a chance he can pop up later?? Either way, he’s gonna keep him on ice and probably forget about him because he’s constantly coming up with other characters and storyline’s so he probably won’t even pop up again from my opinion.
Honestly, I think it's likely that if Loki is a villain, it'll ultimately be Usopp that takes him down. Partly because Elbaph has been set up as Usopp's dream destination since Little Garden, partly because Usopp has strong connections with the giants, partly because of the whole David & Goliath angle... but also because the various Lokis of Norse Myths, be it Loki Laufeyson or Utgard-Loki, are _Tricksters,_ and who better to usurp the title of Trickster God than Usopp?
6:27 bruh Usopp is nowhere near the weakest human the amount of beatings he takes and the physical strain of his jobs like gardening and helping with ships repairs he's actually probably quite a bit stronger than a majority of humans
2:33 I would argue Vergo is even more powerful than Caesar, meaning this is the only arc, where Luffy doesn't defeat (or even fights) the main antagonist
Pretty sure that happened in Shells town with Axe hand Morgan and yeah,I can see a solid argument for Vergo above Ceaser in terms of power but in terms of position,he should be second
What if raw strength isnt what was the problem for the Giants chaining Loki up? Maybe it was more of a need for a unified agreement to do it at all? I can also see Usopp claiming a win over Loki by out tricking the trickster.
I’ve heard all the arguments that “Elbaph wasn’t planned” and I refute them all, the giants and elbaph was set up for over a Decade, Oda might pull shit with people “joining” the strawhats and other things but I won’t believe for a second he was going to skip over Elbaph and all the plot points surrounding it and the strawhats. Like Robin and Saul, you think that was a random thought last minute? Usopps whole thing? Loki and the harudin? The man marked by flames whom is probably on the island if it’s not Saul? I just don’t think Oda would ignore all of that imo.
I know this is kinda unrelated to the actual video but on the topic of Loki: I REALLY REALLY hope his “legendary devil fruit” isn’t another Zoan type, especially not a mythical zoan. I feel like we’ve had way too much of that on Wano and it’s unlikely that Oda wants to keep the Zoan theme from the beast pirates going here. I think the best option would be for it to be a logia. Big Mom focuses on paramecia, Kaido focused on Zoans, therefor it’s only natural for our next villain to be a Logia. Plus we haven’t had a good Logia introduced in a *long* time. Perhaps that’s just because Haki negates a lot of their biggest strengths…
Important to note: Shanks and his crew just left Elbaf not too long ago. I could see a situation where, by the end of Elbaf, the giants all recognize Usopp as a true brave warrior of the sea, but there's still more to his arc, in the vein of "there's someone at the next island I've got to talk to".
"This Loki situation is truly sad, can't believe someone would kill his dad for a fucking fruit, it reminds me of the time I tickled my nipple by accident while playing guitar hero. That's about it, see ya"
It would be interesting if Loki ended up being a cutty flam situation where we all assumed he’d be the antagonist but ended up being an ally and possibly a potential crew member. The only problem with him being crew is that he’s too big to be on the sunny.
i dont think he is going to join the crew, but i think there is a big chance he isnt the antagonist, at least not the main one, i think we are headed for a bait-and-switch, temporary team-up or redemption arc.
@ I’m not gonna lie, if Oda doesn’t pull something like this and he ends up just being the main antagonist, unless it’s a really good reason. I’m gonnna be disappointed.
One thing I think we should note is the significance of Norse mythology in Elbaf as well as what role Loki plays in mythology. He is commonly casted as either the hero or villain in any story- but he is commonly a villain in stories themed around the concept of Justice, like the Avengers early on. In stories wanting to express creativity and a journey to usurp, he is either the main protagonist or an ally to the protagonist. The reason for that is Loki is thought to be the harbinger of the apocalypse, any offspring he had imprisoned as a result. I’m struggling with seeing him as an antagonist to Luffy at least considering a lot of Loki’s lore signifies the breaking of justice and order.
anyone else think that the Noah could be Joyboys pirate ship? Maby that's why Blackbeard is heading to Fishman Island, perhaps there are some Sun god secrets left onboard.
I really don't know how much I buy that the Elbaph arc wasn't going to happen. Even if Oda was toying with the idea of dropping it, I just can't believe that it wasn't meant to be a part of the story at some point with all the build up that it had dating all the way back to Little Garden. So I wouldn't put too much behind that thought. I also think that people are making too many assumptions off of Loki based off of just 2 panels. The fact that he killed his father for a devil fruit power does not put him in a particularly good light. Also, I am doing well, Liam, thank you. I hope you are doing well too.
Agreed, came to leave a similar comment myself and my TL:DR is Oda would not have skipped it after set ups for it for over a decade, it’s just way to lore important for the overall story and pay off. So I refute any arguments for it being skipped based on things random “industry people” say or a small remark made by Oda that’s been over analyzed for years.
The guy had two panels of screen time and there are already people saying that he is stronger than Kaido, I understand that the guy's Aura is immaculate but I prefer to wait for him to do something before trying to draw any conclusions.
Quick we need some retroactive Big Mom Pirates reactions to Loki when he proposes to Lola to gauge his strength Pero "I will only be the third strongest son if he joins our family" Kat "he is closer to Mama in strength then I" Smoothie "Lola will become Mamas favorite after this"
I strongly believe that Loki is not a bad guy, he might be just mentally broken, but now luffy will be there for him. However, Luffy befriending Loki will upset the whole Elbaph (Strawhats usually anger the whole nation lol :P) thus creating the space for the duel of straw hats vs Red Haired pirates!
I really think Black Beard will get or already has a Kraken or Octopus Zoan fruit. Krakens and Octopi have 3 hearts and if the theory about devil fruit powers being in the heart is true, then it would be likely that Black beard ate White Beards heart to steal his devil fruit which would tie into demonic sacrifices for unnatural power. It would explain the 3 skulls and 8 bones on his jolly roger and why his beard looks like octopus legs. Each gun on his waist is to represent one for each heart, like how pirates would go for the heart. To take this a step further, his darkness fruit could also represent the black ink that krakens have. Also, Krakens supposedly "sleep in a dreamless sleep on the ocean floor" which is similar to how Black Beard doesnt actually dream because he doesnt sleep with again more darkness symbolism with reference to the ocean floor.
The only way I could think Usopp would take down Loki is like the death of Baldur in norse mythology, where Loki tricked the blind god Hodr into shooting Baldur with an arrow made of mistletoe, the only thing in existence that didn't promise Frigg to not harm Baldur. Usopp's current weapon firing plants could provide that parallel.
In norse mythology, loki is Thor's uncle, unlike the Marvel version of loki, making him Thor's brother. It's so ironic you called loki a "freaky uncle" when in norse, he indeed is freaky. An example is him giving birth to an 8 leg horse.
@@ryanbhan2708 loki isn't related to any of the gods. He was the son of 2 frost giants and was found by Odin and gradually brought into their fold. You don't call Fenrir or Jormungandr Odin's nephews despite them being Loki's children.
OK you wanted my brain thoughts, so this is on you. I recently read a comment here on YT under a video of the character theme of the character Hisako from the game Killer Instinct (2013) and it gave me an idea. I'll just quote the comment here: "So for those who don't know, a Yokai, a Japanese spirit or mythological creature in some capacity is often able to imitate the human form or our mannerisms, but they tend to have problems repeating themselves, like saying the same word twice in a row. Ever made a phone call over there and notice how they always say 'Moshi moshi'? It's to confirm if the person on the other end is a human and not someone possessed by an evil spirit or replaced by a shapeshifter. Apply this to Hisako's theme. She's an Onryo, a vengeful spirit and clearly not human anymore, but the vocals/lyrics repeat words. Despite her state of being Hisako retains her humanity in death and combines it with her otherwordly powers to chase UltraTech around for pillaging the graves in her village which she died for to defend in the first place." What does that have to do with OP? Well think about the naming scheme of Devil Fruits. And that can have some rather scary implications.
Ussop NEEDS to be the one who defeats Loki! It's been almost 25 YEARS since Little Garden forshadowed Ussop going to Elbaph and this was supposed to be Ussop's glow up arc right? Also, i see people saying Loki could become a Straw Hat member which would be cool but what about our boy/girl Yamato? Yamato needs to pull up already!
One thing i love about this channel is that liam can theory craft while also having fun knowing full well , were just theory crafting and doesnt push his own head cannon agenda on to his subscribers, its just a man on the internet sharing his thoughts and some charlie day always sunny meme with all the graphs, love the channel king
I think at this point it's beyond fair to assume we are completely done with Eustass Kid. If any theory channels bring him up, dismiss them completely,unfollow and report for misinformation.
Not really when we have been seeing nearly every major side character get something in the final saga and kid is a major side character whether we like it or not
7:00 You should make a video why you think this because Usopp FEAT-WISE should be stronger than Chopper, Nami, Brook, and Franky. Im not saying you’re wrong, but i just dont understand why you would think Usopp is weaker than them
The reason I feel this is usopps moment is that he’s never defeated someone based on power alone since chew. Mr 4 and MC were with chopper. Spandam has the power of a toothpick. Perona, because he has hacks. The fish man lost from the steroids. Sugar from trauma. Page one who would’ve been a great feat, was defeated by big mom. Oda could take this the “I need to prove myself” growth arc and defeat Loki
I could see the main antagonist of this arc being either A. Man Marked by Flames B.The silhouette in the beginning telling them to come C. Urouge ( My personal dark horse of the story)
The funny thing about theorists saying “i was right” when correct and “we were wrong” when wrong is that there is an opposite phenomenon with the audience, where people try to connect themselves with victories of groups they identify with but distance themselves from their failings. The most common instance is fans with sports teams, people switch between “we won” and “they lost”. Both are routed in wanting to be associated with success and separated from failure.
I'm still all in on Loki having some sort of Nuclear Devil Fruit, which could produce a very malevolent, but ultimately sun-like effect, and lead into a "nuclear winter", aka, the Fimbulvetr preceding Ragnarok..
"the power of the Sun in my hand!(Hævateinn)" throws a hand sized Sun like a baseball Incineration-Incineration man Anything he sees he can place Helheim Fire on Burn-Burn fruit
I think that there may be multiple Sun Gods in OP since the main references to ancient OP history has some inspiration from Nahua cultures like in Shandora and the moon glyphs. In our stories we note that there is a new Teteotl of the sun for each new age e.g. Tezcatlipoca, Tlaloc, and Huitzilopochtli This could be why Loki considers himself a Sun God as well, it could be a different model than Nika
What if Loki has the Lie Lie fruit and it gives him the ability to make everybody believe his lies. He then could trick everybody in some way and ussop is the only one who can see through his lies cause of his vast experience lying.
Love the David and Goliath idea. Usopp defeats Loki with a haki imbued sling shot hit to lokis head. Whether it's usopp learning to use haki or Luffy learning to imbue his haki into something like joy boy with the giant robot and usopp using it to deliver the final blow
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 85 | คู่เอก "ยอดเหล็กเพชร vs ผึ้งหลวง"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qq_19bnnxEo/mqdefault.jpg)
Luffy heard a weird roar like noise that gave him goosebumps. Bet all my fictional pirates currency that he heard Loki’s stomach and will simply free the man in order to let him eat a bowl of Oops! All Ragnaroks.
at first i thought it was going to be something serious, but thats so much better!
Wasn't one of the plot points during Big Mom's flashback the fasting event in Elbaf? Food could definitely be relevant again this arc
@@giseIa food is relevant in like 80% of the arcs. It’s bound to happen again.
YES
With loki now revealed i think it is about time for a silouette ranking/tier list
Wait for Imu 😂
And the man marked by flame
And Joyboy and Lily.
I think I could see Loki having a way with words to manipulate people or it being part of his df and convince Kidd and the Kid pirates to help him out. If Shanks is elsewhere (maybe preventing a certain black beardish fella from going somewhere), I could see it being tough for the Luffy and the Strawhats. It flips the situation in Wano to Luffy now being tag teamed. The Giants might be busy with dealing with a faction that believes in Loki.
Is it just me, or did the silhouette of Loki look like a fishman? Oda’s always played pretty fast and loose with the silhouettes, but this one seems to be the most egregious. Prove me wrong?
Friendship with zoro kill kaido has ended, ussop kill loki is my Friend now
Go take english lessons
Kaido and big mom are gonna be in elbaf, zoro will finish kaido this arc and kid gets his rematch or maybe luffy😂
ZKK lives on!!!
Nah, the best one is kidd kills kaido
@@scoccerball4170was much less of a stretch than zkk
I have a few theories:
1. Loki could join the crew to add Giants to the races on the crew
2. Kid could have drifted to elbaf and be found by the old giants which big mom attacked. They would like Kid for getting revenge on her for them or just even have respect for his strength. And we could have this be a moment of character growth for him where he'll grow some sort of grandfatherly connection with the old giants and want to protect them/ get revenge for them if they're hurt.
3. Barto will have made a barrier ball and his crew will all be running inside it like a hamster ball to make it back to the island.
the last one is hilarious, i love it
Love these
the last one is absolutely perfect 😂😂😂 i love barto, would hate to see him gone💀💀
Of all three I want to see the third one it’s hilarious
Kid ain’t drifting he’s SINKING
"The insane Loki situation" kind of describes all of Norse mythology
average moist critical title
@@arazestprit3771 bot
Odin: Loki! It’s your damn family again!!!
@@arazestprit3771 “bad thing is bad” cringe
@@abethebabelincoln7960 everybody gotta have a hot take now
Usopp (with a slingshot) being the one to beat Loki (a Giant) would be an amazing David & Goliath reference.
yeeeesss i hope this happens
It's very, very obvious tho
@@gabrielgoes0 Given who Usopp is and how Loki is being portrayed i dont think its that obvious to most people
@@ryanamans5576 who hasn't heard of David and Goliath, man
@@gabrielgoes0 Its not abt the legend so much as it is abt these particular characters.....Usopp is too weak for the fandom to believe he can defeat somebody like Loki who i believe is gonna turn out to be ridiculously powerful, Oda pulls from classic tropes all the time and still manages to make them uniqely his own
IF I WAS IN THE ONE PIECE WORLD I WOULD WANT A DEVUL FRUIT TO MAKE ME SMALLER SO I CAN USE GARLINGS BEARD AS A SLIDE!!!!
Holy fuck. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh omg
I just want explore whole world pussy 💀 with thisn fruit
Why would you want to rub your ass on his beard. Weird and slightly geh
Truly an SBS-worthy shitpost
Mini-mini fruit?
Ussop and hajrudin working together to beat Loki would be cool. Since giants come in pairs and hajrudin has never had one. Especially since hes lokis brother
Giants always come in pair? never thought about it, but you may be onto something.
Awesome idea!
Hajrudin is Loki’s brother?
Wasn’t Hajrudin as one of the contenders in the coliseum on Dressrosa where Diamanté was, did he mention anything in regards to his world or his life cause if he did cool but I don’t remember.
@@101Spacetime He did not, but other giants did. Hajrudin is royalty.
@@101SpacetimeChapter 1130, mate
I could see Loki getting defeated, but he's still standing then Usopp knocks him over with a stray shot 😂
A stray? Lol since when does tht guy ever miss
@@sonmarsha69 true
I never even considered that Loki might just be a side villain.
We thought Kizaru was the main antagonist of egghead.. then Saturn. Idk what to expect anymore
"we privatize the gains but socialize the loses" all banks responsible for economic crisis every few years
Something that caught my attention at the beginning of this arc was Luffy's disappointment in Usopp being almost killed by Iskat. I think it's the first time he actually scolds him (although not very harshly) for needing help defeating an enemy. That could foreshadow Usopp's development as a warrior by eventually achieving some major victory later in the arc.
Liam, your production and channel art is so good. I've been watching your channel regularly for about 4 years, and watching the evolution of your channel is a journey. I also say "mind brain" a lot now, lol.
The Rob Lucci situation gets even worse when you remember that 5 Seraphim were also on the island which would push him to 12th, though thankfully they were stuck in bubbles
I mean Zoro DID fight the Mihawk Seraphim
Rob Lucci gave Luffy 1 of his toughest fought victories pre-timeskip the other being Crocodile & both became significantly stronger since being defeated by Luffy. Still Zoro shouldn't have been playing so much against Lucci.
@@nicholasaugello2534 "more human then the real thing"
7:32 I can easily see Usopp defeating and even subjugating Loki as his right hand. His path to glory has been laid out since Dressrosa. Bow down in the presence of his glory, God Usopp, king of Elbaf.
Yah, how strong do you think Loki is? Maybe the strength of an 8000 person army?
I think Usop will recognize that strength is not the only path to become a brave warrior, accept and embrace his cleverness as his main weapon to do so
I'm good, a bit axious because tomorrow I travel to work and it's giving me butterflies in my stomach. But if Usopp can survive Elbaph, I can survive this work-trip!
"We privatize the gains and socialize the losses"
I don't usually comment but that honestly goes remarkably hard
Not when it's done in real life XD i.e. 2008 financial crisis and subsequent government bail out of the banks
@@truthmatters7573 economy heads will tell you this is just how the system should work.
it was fall back in the US yesterday, now it’s like you upload an hour earlier, thank you
I hope that Prince Loki have the Logia Sun-Sun Fruit which would explain why he sees himself as the Sun God and that it fits the Norse mythology of Surtur burning down the world of all life in Ragnarok.
That would explain why hajrudin wanted the mera mera, the closest element to the sun.
It is stated in dressrosa that a giant never took a logia fruit, would king of be a plothole
His devil fruit is going to be similar to Luffy's hence why he thinks his the Sun God
@@Memelord1117 But Magma beat Fire at Marineford and we have already seen Prometheus, ocular Paramecia would be interesting - another mythical Zoan after Kaido/Yamato/Elders/Marco doesn't sound very original.
Plus if Kaido was the strongest being Loki probably 100 years too young to match him as a Zoan
This just made what I needed today!
Begone, bot!
Brother Loki has that Aura, was about to sleep! Glad I caught this
If Loki turns out to be the main antagonist, I´m way more curious to see his retainers and the matchup with the strawhats. Maybe we have already met some of them, like giants secretely supporting Loki
Loki and his retainers the Champions of the 9 Realms
I can see Loki having perfect cell's personality
I think maybe more majin bu
@karimsarif8934 Which version? If it's kid buu they're screwed.
Loki felt like lillith in egghead arc. It's still way to early for the 1st or 2nd most poweful antagonist of the arc to appear. I think there's still 2 or 3 stronger character that has yet to appear for later. Unless oda is trying to speedrun the series this year.
i mean egghead was pretty fast, if elbaf is any faster i'm gonna be worried.
@@uuh4yj43it doesn’t matter if the arc is fast as long they execute the story properly, and besides the anime will fill in the blanks and show the entire arc perfectly so that it wouldn’t feel rushed.
I can’t wait for the end of the year so we can create a new bingo card.
This is what I want to see in Elbaph:
- Robin reunite with Saul and read the Ohara books
- Usopp being recognised by the giants
- Loki addressing the whole Lola/Big Mom situation
- discovering a link between the island history and the void century
I think I’ve figured out Oda and his ambiguous death thing. He only truly confirms a character kill if it adds to the plot. All these characters like big mom, kaido and kidd, he’s kind of unspoken killed them because it’s the end of the story, but he leaves it open ended in case he comes up with an idea for them later on. He didn’t even think he’d get to elephant, that’s why we saw so much of it in flashbacks and when kidd and shanks turned up there. But he kept it ambiguous enough because there was a chance we could explore the whole island! Oda has a rough idea of where he’s going, and he definitely plans ahead but he pretty much waits to see where the logos takes him.
this is confirmed in an early-ish sbs i'm pretty sure, he doesnt like to waste cool characters he made. and he really liked kidd too when he designed him, so i think just ending him would be weird, especially by luffy's idol's hand.
@ I don’t think we’ll see him in this arc because Oda doesn’t really have any use for him. Anything he does in this arc he’s already done in wano. There’s a chance he can pop up later?? Either way, he’s gonna keep him on ice and probably forget about him because he’s constantly coming up with other characters and storyline’s so he probably won’t even pop up again from my opinion.
Honestly, I think it's likely that if Loki is a villain, it'll ultimately be Usopp that takes him down.
Partly because Elbaph has been set up as Usopp's dream destination since Little Garden, partly because Usopp has strong connections with the giants, partly because of the whole David & Goliath angle... but also because the various Lokis of Norse Myths, be it Loki Laufeyson or Utgard-Loki, are _Tricksters,_ and who better to usurp the title of Trickster God than Usopp?
6:27 bruh Usopp is nowhere near the weakest human the amount of beatings he takes and the physical strain of his jobs like gardening and helping with ships repairs he's actually probably quite a bit stronger than a majority of humans
I think he means weakest human/living thing on Elbaf currently
Bruh has taken some beatings lmao. Had his cracked more than once lmao.
4:51 love that picture 😭🥺
2:33 I would argue Vergo is even more powerful than Caesar, meaning this is the only arc, where Luffy doesn't defeat (or even fights) the main antagonist
Pretty sure that happened in Shells town with Axe hand Morgan and yeah,I can see a solid argument for Vergo above Ceaser in terms of power but in terms of position,he should be second
11:18 I love the blackbeard pirates. They look so silly. 😊
Good video, Internet man.(Yes I commented this before watching the video)
What if raw strength isnt what was the problem for the Giants chaining Loki up? Maybe it was more of a need for a unified agreement to do it at all?
I can also see Usopp claiming a win over Loki by out tricking the trickster.
you can really make your own anime with all these drawing now dude on the internet nice!
6:06 Thank you to the editor who had Road make Zoro and Sanji kiss! Great work!
Idk why but i feel loki will be a hero just the way oda wrote it felt like he was doing it to subvert expectations but i could be wrong
I’ve heard all the arguments that “Elbaph wasn’t planned” and I refute them all, the giants and elbaph was set up for over a Decade, Oda might pull shit with people “joining” the strawhats and other things but I won’t believe for a second he was going to skip over Elbaph and all the plot points surrounding it and the strawhats. Like Robin and Saul, you think that was a random thought last minute? Usopps whole thing? Loki and the harudin? The man marked by flames whom is probably on the island if it’s not Saul? I just don’t think Oda would ignore all of that imo.
You can refute it all you want. Oda's the one who confirmed it wasn't originally going to happen though ;/
Usopp going to have a David vs Goliath moment when we least expect it
Temp stunned Page One defeating Loki would be his greatest feat in the series
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"I am Prince Loki of Elbaf and I'm burdened by a Glorious Purpose!" - Loki the self proclaimed Sun God
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Usopp vs Loki we’ll be there
I am very excited about the Elbaf being skipped info. I never heard of this before Liam brought this up in October.
'ALMOST CERTAINLY PROBABLY NOT' 😂😂
I know this is kinda unrelated to the actual video but on the topic of Loki:
I REALLY REALLY hope his “legendary devil fruit” isn’t another Zoan type, especially not a mythical zoan. I feel like we’ve had way too much of that on Wano and it’s unlikely that Oda wants to keep the Zoan theme from the beast pirates going here.
I think the best option would be for it to be a logia. Big Mom focuses on paramecia, Kaido focused on Zoans, therefor it’s only natural for our next villain to be a Logia. Plus we haven’t had a good Logia introduced in a *long* time. Perhaps that’s just because Haki negates a lot of their biggest strengths…
Important to note: Shanks and his crew just left Elbaf not too long ago. I could see a situation where, by the end of Elbaf, the giants all recognize Usopp as a true brave warrior of the sea, but there's still more to his arc, in the vein of "there's someone at the next island I've got to talk to".
6:13 the disrespect
"This Loki situation is truly sad, can't believe someone would kill his dad for a fucking fruit, it reminds me of the time I tickled my nipple by accident while playing guitar hero. That's about it, see ya"
Really loving those little edited cartoon fights. Theyre so amusing lol
You asked who is going to beat Loki on elbaf and I paused at 0:12 THE PREDICTION IS USSOP
Elbaf is his Arc afterall
Agreed
Loki joining the crew would be crazy. Gonna need a ship upgrade.
It would be interesting if Loki ended up being a cutty flam situation where we all assumed he’d be the antagonist but ended up being an ally and possibly a potential crew member. The only problem with him being crew is that he’s too big to be on the sunny.
i dont think he is going to join the crew, but i think there is a big chance he isnt the antagonist, at least not the main one, i think we are headed for a bait-and-switch, temporary team-up or redemption arc.
@ I’m not gonna lie, if Oda doesn’t pull something like this and he ends up just being the main antagonist, unless it’s a really good reason. I’m gonnna be disappointed.
If he’s like the real Loki, he could shape shift into a small form and go big for combat or whenever
All the loki ally/sh glizzy glazing as if Hajrudin doesn't exist is kinda infuriating
One thing I think we should note is the significance of Norse mythology in Elbaf as well as what role Loki plays in mythology. He is commonly casted as either the hero or villain in any story- but he is commonly a villain in stories themed around the concept of Justice, like the Avengers early on. In stories wanting to express creativity and a journey to usurp, he is either the main protagonist or an ally to the protagonist.
The reason for that is Loki is thought to be the harbinger of the apocalypse, any offspring he had imprisoned as a result. I’m struggling with seeing him as an antagonist to Luffy at least considering a lot of Loki’s lore signifies the breaking of justice and order.
just finished a midnight shift gonna watch this on my way home lol
Usopp vs. Loki would also be a David vs. Goliath moment.
anyone else think that the Noah could be Joyboys pirate ship? Maby that's why Blackbeard is heading to Fishman Island, perhaps there are some Sun god secrets left onboard.
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I really don't know how much I buy that the Elbaph arc wasn't going to happen. Even if Oda was toying with the idea of dropping it, I just can't believe that it wasn't meant to be a part of the story at some point with all the build up that it had dating all the way back to Little Garden. So I wouldn't put too much behind that thought. I also think that people are making too many assumptions off of Loki based off of just 2 panels. The fact that he killed his father for a devil fruit power does not put him in a particularly good light. Also, I am doing well, Liam, thank you. I hope you are doing well too.
Agreed, came to leave a similar comment myself and my TL:DR is Oda would not have skipped it after set ups for it for over a decade, it’s just way to lore important for the overall story and pay off. So I refute any arguments for it being skipped based on things random “industry people” say or a small remark made by Oda that’s been over analyzed for years.
The guy had two panels of screen time and there are already people saying that he is stronger than Kaido, I understand that the guy's Aura is immaculate but I prefer to wait for him to do something before trying to draw any conclusions.
Quick we need some retroactive Big Mom Pirates reactions to Loki when he proposes to Lola to gauge his strength
Pero "I will only be the third strongest son if he joins our family"
Kat "he is closer to Mama in strength then I"
Smoothie "Lola will become Mamas favorite after this"
I strongly believe that Loki is not a bad guy, he might be just mentally broken, but now luffy will be there for him. However, Luffy befriending Loki will upset the whole Elbaph (Strawhats usually anger the whole nation lol :P) thus creating the space for the duel of straw hats vs Red Haired pirates!
1:19-1:20, hmmm like a certain economic system.
I really think Black Beard will get or already has a Kraken or Octopus Zoan fruit. Krakens and Octopi have 3 hearts and if the theory about devil fruit powers being in the heart is true, then it would be likely that Black beard ate White Beards heart to steal his devil fruit which would tie into demonic sacrifices for unnatural power. It would explain the 3 skulls and 8 bones on his jolly roger and why his beard looks like octopus legs. Each gun on his waist is to represent one for each heart, like how pirates would go for the heart. To take this a step further, his darkness fruit could also represent the black ink that krakens have. Also, Krakens supposedly "sleep in a dreamless sleep on the ocean floor" which is similar to how Black Beard doesnt actually dream because he doesnt sleep with again more darkness symbolism with reference to the ocean floor.
Kraken or Octopus DF weakened in the sea?
"We NEED To Talk About The Insane Loki Situation" ~ Norse Gods to Odin after Loki killed Baldur
The only way I could think Usopp would take down Loki is like the death of Baldur in norse mythology, where Loki tricked the blind god Hodr into shooting Baldur with an arrow made of mistletoe, the only thing in existence that didn't promise Frigg to not harm Baldur. Usopp's current weapon firing plants could provide that parallel.
Usopp gets GIANT plant ammo inspiration - Garden of Eden!
8:56 Kidd hitting Peter Griffin pose is very fitting for how low he got down
I think at this point it's save to say: The raid will fail.
Loki looks like that one freaky uncle
In norse mythology, loki is Thor's uncle, unlike the Marvel version of loki, making him Thor's brother. It's so ironic you called loki a "freaky uncle" when in norse, he indeed is freaky. An example is him giving birth to an 8 leg horse.
Glad I’m not the only one with a strange uncle who walks around in chains/blindfold and goes shirtless in the snow 😅
@@ryanbhan2708 loki isn't related to any of the gods. He was the son of 2 frost giants and was found by Odin and gradually brought into their fold. You don't call Fenrir or Jormungandr Odin's nephews despite them being Loki's children.
Yoo love the morj recognition
OK you wanted my brain thoughts, so this is on you. I recently read a comment here on YT under a video of the character theme of the character Hisako from the game Killer Instinct (2013) and it gave me an idea. I'll just quote the comment here:
"So for those who don't know, a Yokai, a Japanese spirit or mythological creature in some capacity is often able to imitate the human form or our mannerisms, but they tend to have problems repeating themselves, like saying the same word twice in a row.
Ever made a phone call over there and notice how they always say 'Moshi moshi'? It's to confirm if the person on the other end is a human and not someone possessed by an evil spirit or replaced by a shapeshifter.
Apply this to Hisako's theme. She's an Onryo, a vengeful spirit and clearly not human anymore, but the vocals/lyrics repeat words. Despite her state of being Hisako retains her humanity in death and combines it with her otherwordly powers to chase UltraTech around for pillaging the graves in her village which she died for to defend in the first place."
What does that have to do with OP? Well think about the naming scheme of Devil Fruits. And that can have some rather scary implications.
That's pretty cool context to know about. Thanks
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Eagerly waiting for the next video, was hyped a lot
Ussop NEEDS to be the one who defeats Loki! It's been almost 25 YEARS since Little Garden forshadowed Ussop going to Elbaph and this was supposed to be Ussop's glow up arc right? Also, i see people saying Loki could become a Straw Hat member which would be cool but what about our boy/girl Yamato? Yamato needs to pull up already!
I love the editing, fighting animation
Omg im so early
One thing i love about this channel is that liam can theory craft while also having fun knowing full well , were just theory crafting and doesnt push his own head cannon agenda on to his subscribers, its just a man on the internet sharing his thoughts and some charlie day always sunny meme with all the graphs, love the channel king
I think at this point it's beyond fair to assume we are completely done with Eustass Kid. If any theory channels bring him up, dismiss them completely,unfollow and report for misinformation.
nah he is coming back at the end of the arc to react to the wsj newspaper 100%. maybe even a cover story if we are being generous.
Not really when we have been seeing nearly every major side character get something in the final saga and kid is a major side character whether we like it or not
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You should make a video why you think this because Usopp FEAT-WISE should be stronger than Chopper, Nami, Brook, and Franky. Im not saying you’re wrong, but i just dont understand why you would think Usopp is weaker than them
I think Loki might start as a villain or at least super strong antagonist but will end up among the heroes
I wanna see usopp standing against loki knowing hes gonna lose but he still fights to help the giants.
The animation parts of your videos are really amazing. Keep going, dear nakama 👍
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The reason I feel this is usopps moment is that he’s never defeated someone based on power alone since chew. Mr 4 and MC were with chopper. Spandam has the power of a toothpick. Perona, because he has hacks. The fish man lost from the steroids. Sugar from trauma. Page one who would’ve been a great feat, was defeated by big mom. Oda could take this the “I need to prove myself” growth arc and defeat Loki
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I could see the main antagonist of this arc being either
A. Man Marked by Flames
B.The silhouette in the beginning telling them to come
C. Urouge ( My personal dark horse of the story)
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Brain thought: where are kuma and bonnie
3:58 I almost heard that guitar riff in my head when Loki was introduced. The same one when Zoro was first introduced.
I’m glad I stayed up until 3 am to catch this early upload
The funny thing about theorists saying “i was right” when correct and “we were wrong” when wrong is that there is an opposite phenomenon with the audience, where people try to connect themselves with victories of groups they identify with but distance themselves from their failings. The most common instance is fans with sports teams, people switch between “we won” and “they lost”. Both are routed in wanting to be associated with success and separated from failure.
I'm still all in on Loki having some sort of Nuclear Devil Fruit, which could produce a very malevolent, but ultimately sun-like effect, and lead into a "nuclear winter", aka, the Fimbulvetr preceding Ragnarok..
"the power of the Sun in my hand!(Hævateinn)" throws a hand sized Sun like a baseball
Incineration-Incineration man
Anything he sees he can place Helheim Fire on Burn-Burn fruit
4:17 I’d love for Loki to be another Oars styled fight! We need more docking in One Piece!!
Hey I watch both these guys on the internet talk about fictional pirates
I think that there may be multiple Sun Gods in OP since the main references to ancient OP history has some inspiration from Nahua cultures like in Shandora and the moon glyphs.
In our stories we note that there is a new Teteotl of the sun for each new age e.g. Tezcatlipoca, Tlaloc, and Huitzilopochtli
This could be why Loki considers himself a Sun God as well, it could be a different model than Nika
What if Loki has the Lie Lie fruit and it gives him the ability to make everybody believe his lies. He then could trick everybody in some way and ussop is the only one who can see through his lies cause of his vast experience lying.
Love the David and Goliath idea. Usopp defeats Loki with a haki imbued sling shot hit to lokis head. Whether it's usopp learning to use haki or Luffy learning to imbue his haki into something like joy boy with the giant robot and usopp using it to deliver the final blow
I Like to think that Loki is an ally bc it would lowkey be funnier
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Just for laughs give Loki voice dio’s
Orochimaru's
@ that’s funnier