I totally agree with Ordway that Mayo has made a mistake by being too open with the press, and yes, they use his own words against him' and agree that a prime recent example is him saying the team was soft - what happens? Those very words get thrown back in his face by multiple members of the media who are demanding to know why the team is soft... if he never said that, there wouldn't be a problem! Heck, Bill Belichick never opened up about anything and he never took accountability for anything in over 20 years either - whenever he was asked about something stupid that he did that predictably went badly, Belichick would flatly deny it and start slinging insults as a cover... I didn't like that dishonorable approach, but Mayo is clearly creating some of his own adversity with the press by essentially, having too much transparency.
The question isn't so much whether Belichick should've been kept around, but whether choosing someone with zero head coaching experience as his successor was remotely sensible. They didn't even conduct a search. All with Mike Vrabel available.
At least get someone who ran an offense or defense... I know Mayo was nebulously called some type of defensive coordinator but Steve Belichick was obviously the real one.
Vrabel had a terrible reputation with the Titans - old school may sound good, but it doesn't play well today. Pats need a mix of BOTH old school WITH new school, someone like Coach Campbell in Detroit.
They gave Bill every opportunity. I don’t blame Kraft or the Patriots for moving on. It was time. The Patriots are going through what all post dynasties do. The 70’s Packers, 80’s Steelers, 2000’s 49’ers and Cowboys. All struggled
EVERYONE knew this team was going to suck before the season ever started. Why is everyone freaking out. Year one of the rebuild is supposed to suck. Get the #1 pick, and trade it for 6 top 100 picks and maybe we can make a run by 2026.
Well said.. I suppose after being in the mix for 2 decades fans and media get spoiled and don’t realize how life is without the the greatest qb and Coach in nfl history 😂
You're right, people around the NFL have pointed out that the Pats have one of the weakest rosters in the league. They were already in the basement last year, and you were expecting too much if you expected to see a completely different team this year. I was still hoping to see them make more progress than they have, but they've also had some bad luck with injuries on both sides of the ball...
If Kraft hired vrable instead of mayo after having some stuff in the contract about how he was the heir after bill… mayo would’ve sued the patriots like Brian Flores sued the dolphins
Should’ve kept BB. NE will be the new ATL Falcons. Should’ve traded the pick for more picks and got a FA QB. They could easily won the division this year. They will regret this decision for years to come……..
Curran the genius who said don't draft Maye. Did he think a couple of picks for the third pick in the draft would fix this mess? It wouldn't have and they'd still have had no QB. At least now they have a QB and can build around him.
@@ChocolateAfterDark No Curran was wrong. I am sure there are teams out there that would give up 2 first rounders right now for Drake Maye. If he was right why don't the Patriots deal Maye now? They won't. J J McCarthy is out for the year. Name me 2 players in this past draft that would have made the Patriots better this year
@@shanaeverowe9626 How so? The trade would have been with with the Giants or the Vikings. McCarthy is out for the year and Nabers has been out The Pats would have been better off? So why not trade Maye for a player and a 1st rd pick now? There are lots of teams out there that would give 2 1st rounders for him im sure. And Maye would be better off too
@@racebannon8569 because they wouldn't have traded down without getting more picks. To move up to the 3rd they pbly would have gotten their 1st round, a second and a third. Those extra picks could have brought in offensive line help or line backers.
I haven't soured on Mayo, and think that any new head coach deserves at least two years to turn things around on a team that's in the basement to begin with.
Hearing The Big O's comments really makes me miss him on Boston Sports Radio. Not just great insights but great professionalism and style. Nothing against those on sports radio today but they just have no style.
The best outcome available for the Pats this year is to see Maye play well & injury free, forget the W/L columns. If Maye plays well, the team can become a magnet rather than the repulsor it now is for potential free agents or trade talent. Next year, the Pats have cap space and loads of draft capital. Don't ruin next year this year by panicking and making more terrible choices.
Ok so if you can draft Tom Brady but you don’t have a LT, do you pass? If you can draft CJ Stroud, but you don’t have a receiver, do you pass? If you could draft a Patrick Mahomes but the team is not ready- do you pass…..we don’t know what Drake will be, but it was our highest draft pick and he was a great prospect. Trading down only works if you think like Bill Belichick, that the QB position is a commodity item and you can get one in any draft - and that’s just wrong.
Glen makes a great point about the culture and team around drake relevant to his skill. I instantly thought of sam darnold. I hope maye doesnt end up like heineke, dalton, wentz, baker, where they can be great organization changers and even be elite but get bounced around and stunted potential due to instability and constantly being pinballed around the league. This organization needs to get it together and at the very least ONLY focus on that OL until they know maye will be protected because the other problem will be maye getting hurt to the point of being a tua or garoppolo averaging more I.R. time a season then actual play time.
BB is the greatest coach of all time period. People seem to forget that bill at GM got us so many patriots legends and super bowls. This narrative is so exhausting are you guys blind or just stupid?
If Tom isn't cutting his hair until NE wins...we may be lookin' at a hippy giving Patriots break downs when the draft is poppin' off. I love LISTENING to Glenn. The man has a perfect voice for sports.
Mayo is NOT ready to be a HC, period. This talk of 'expecting Mayo to learn OTJ' is awful. He's spent a lifetime at the highest levels of football and this is too much for him
I personally think they should start with making the defense better first,,,I think the offense will be what they are but when the defense can't get off the field that limits the possessions the offense has......
Mayo is just the coach. Wolf and Groh bring in the players. Pats have VERY few good players. This is only YEAR 1 of the rebuilding process. Defense was supposed to be among the Top 5 in the NFL this season. But HOW COULD IT BE when Judon, Barmore, Captain Bentley and Peppers are gone for the season?? Yet people want to place ALL of the blame on Mayo. Shortsighted and impractical thinking from SPOILED Patriots fans who have LOST perspective and with it, their patience. Not saying Mayo is without blame, but it's CRAZY not to question PLAYER PERSONNEL HOLDOVERS 😅Eliot Wolf AND Matt Groh, who don't have exactly stellar records over the past 5 years +.
Petty is endemic of crusty east coasters. Tommy is starting to follow in BB footsteps. Sure makes good copy. Also i think it is safe to say it will escalate to a high pitch frenzy
People so quick to forget how mac jones wasn’t allowed to throw the ball more than 10 yards his “probowl” year, and quick to forget all of his AWFUL turnovers. The patriots lost 3 games in a row last year where opponents scored less than 10 points. Put Drake Maye on last year’s team and they win minimum 8-10 games.
Question: what if the front office believes that Drake Maye could be one of those precious top qbs in the league. we know there aren't 32 of them. what if they felt, drafting at number 3, that they had to take him. didn't think JJ McCarthy was one of those guys. Dont they have to pull the trigger?
Everyone is saying Tom wouldn’t let him talk but it’s the other way around 😂 either way I couldn’t watch this because no one could get a point across 😂
Kraft's biggest mistake was not ordering Belichick to sign Brady. It was dumb for Kraft, and quite possibly the dumbest ever NFL GM mistake by Belichick. Belichick is a great coach, but the Patriots achieved greatness because of Tom Brady.
Mayo was a hell of a linebacker I would even say a legend in New England. But I lost all respect for him during his introduction speech never discussing what he will bring to the team, the teams Direction in the future. Instead we got how horrible it is to be a black man in the NFL and how much he loves Dei. And he should love it because it worked for him. And that is what DEI will get you..... 1-6 and good luck trying to fire him. We already know what that narrative will be and ESPN and their wokesters will make sure we know.
Kraft has more DEI points than Mayo (some type of self proclaimed czar against anti-semitism or whatever) he could probably get away with firing him. He's the type to fish a penny out of a porta potty so it's more an issue of if he has to pay him after firing him.
Kraft has a huge decision to make.. admit you were WRONG. Move on from Mayo.. clean house. If you want a CULTURE that ain’t “SOFT” then you bring in Vrabel.. Vrabel is a hard nosed respected LEADER OF MEN.. he deserves the job. He is the perfect fit to bring the patriots back.
I think even more than his limited arm strength. Hiw biggest plus, his knowledge of the game, played a big part in his biggest weakness, his attitude. He thought he knew better than Belichick.
Wouldn't be in this mess if Kraft didn't force Bill to pick Mac. Mac Jones is the real reason we're gonna be bottom feeders for the foreseeable future. Not that duplicating the Brady years would ever be possible, but at least we could still have a competitive team. We're the dumpster fire of the entire league, and that's a fact!
this whole “ we aren’t ready for Drake” is such a bananas stupid statement. If he’s as good as we think he is then guess what? We got 150 mill in cap space next year. Let’s go dangle fat check in front of an elite receiver. Draft O line with every pick. Defense gets healthy and maybe pay another guy on the edge. Thats a 9 win team.
Sorry old guys, teams are built with qb when ur drafting in first round. This patriots did same thing with drew bledsoe. lol. The if mahalmes was a luxury lol.. when u have Bledsoe very easy to chose another qb from in 6th round..
Ownership wants to get back to win only if winning can be done while maintaining or increasing their profit margin. TB12 allowed them to win at a discount and now they are in stocker shock at having to pay FMV plus the suck tax
I used to listen to Tom every pod. Loved him. Never understood the people that hated on him. Fast forward to this year and listening to him make excuse after excuse for Mayo just boils my skin. Can’t stand him anymore. How in the hell can you sit there and say well Jerod wasn’t out in a position to succeed?? What new coach is? They are all in a bad spot which is why the previous coach was fired. That means nothing. Mayo is soft. Mayo tore down the do your job signs. Mayo rode an e-bike through the locker room. Mayo calls his boss Thunder. I mean the guy is a joke. You have to make your own success. You had a draft, you had free agency, you had $100 Million in cap space and didn’t spend it. Mayo does not get a pass. He is in the position he proactively put himself in. Nothing less. And he makes excuses and doesn’t take accountability and points fingers. He’s soft with a soft culture and that results in soft play. Mayo is the problem. And Kraft is the problem. And now Tom is the problem.
Nope, Gunner, you and others are the problem. Mayo doesn't bring in the talent, doesn't he? The biggest problem we have is a LACK OF TALENTED PLAYERS. Impossible to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, right? Eliot Wolf and Matt Groh, along with Belichick, have been bringing in the (LACK OF) talent here for 5+ years. So...WHY THE HELL AREN'T PATS FANS upset with Wolf and Groh? Mayo is not without blame, obviously, but it is foolish to put more or ALL of the blame on Mayo.
who would have thought that going from an 8 time SB winning coach to a guy with 4 years of experience coaching linebackers was going to make the team worse? Kraft is an idiot and the only thing any the dynasty he deserves credit for is not doing anything. Went from only ever seeing him during drunk SB victory speeches to seeing him constantly shitting on belichick. Bad taste in mouth
I sorry, but Curran is wrong about trading down this year. The hardest player to get is a franchise QB. Tackles, wide receivers, they can be had every year, QBs no. As an example the Colts and Ravens have good coaching and good players around their QB. Do you think they would want and upgrade over Jackson and Richardson?
Why do they keep talking about the past and what bill did, the question is what are the solutions to better this team. Start signing players the trade deadline coming up patriots are gonna have to start cutting foos
Mayo was coming late to meetings because he was snitching and smooching Bob Kraft. Everyone has worked with people like that. Mayo will expose Kraft as a clown.
Glenn kicked Tom's ass and exposed his foolishness. You fired a HOF coach with incredible attention for detail, for a guy who installed a mini basketball hoop. You deserve to have podcasts like these for the rest of your career Tom. Just spending hours discussing why the Patriots suck.
Too many injuries and players out on defense and on the offensive side same story since like 2018 the oline sucks and no consistent 1st down pass catcher with oline being the worst part we didnt address in a good way since Nate Solder walked and no true threat at wr since Randy Moss and too much flip flopping Coaches around a poor team too many bad Fa signings of washed up players and bad offensive picks in the draft when we all know good ones were on the board Metcalf, Deboo etc last great ones were Gronk and Hernandez. Good thing is we have a QB now we know we have to get a wr and 2 tackles thats the main focus for next offseason above anything else and get some help on the Dline and 1 more good corner opposite of Gonz.
Typical Tom. He brings people on his show to talk for 5 minutes straight, the other person had to interrupt to get a counterpoint in. Then Tom interrupts them 20 seconds into them talking.
@@JoshuaZ.64 You don't think Reid will win 40 more games with KC? Dream on, my friend! Reid will surpass BB in career wins, career playoff wins and will have gone to the SB with two franchises.
You guys are crazy if you're going around saying the Patriots should not have picked Drake May there's only one way to win in the national football League and is that is to have a good quarterback I'm sorry if you have a bad quarterback in the fourth quarter you are not winning that game simple the game has changed it's different now I'm sorry defense used to when you championships but it doesn't anymore offense does and we seen it look at Kansas City but you still need at least the top 10 defense I get that but you have to build a team around a quarterback I am glad they got Drake may they will not ruin him if they get the head coach right because the problem with the Patriots right now is the head coach and the front office and I honestly believe this if Robert Kraft if you cannot get this right very soon you should sell the team
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Picking a successor coach 5 years ago, over good vibes you got a trip, and not interviewing anyone else is a S tier decision. S stands for senile.
S stands for stupid. 😂
Lmao shout out Jeff Saturday
5 years ago with zero years of experience as a coach. Don’t forget that
What a wienerish comment.
Great show with Glenn Ordway! Bring him back soon!
I totally agree with Ordway that Mayo has made a mistake by being too open with the press, and yes, they use his own words against him' and agree that a prime recent example is him saying the team was soft - what happens? Those very words get thrown back in his face by multiple members of the media who are demanding to know why the team is soft... if he never said that, there wouldn't be a problem! Heck, Bill Belichick never opened up about anything and he never took accountability for anything in over 20 years either - whenever he was asked about something stupid that he did that predictably went badly, Belichick would flatly deny it and start slinging insults as a cover... I didn't like that dishonorable approach, but Mayo is clearly creating some of his own adversity with the press by essentially, having too much transparency.
Jesus Tom, let him TALK!
The question isn't so much whether Belichick should've been kept around, but whether choosing someone with zero head coaching experience as his successor was remotely sensible. They didn't even conduct a search. All with Mike Vrabel available.
At least get someone who ran an offense or defense... I know Mayo was nebulously called some type of defensive coordinator but Steve Belichick was obviously the real one.
Vrabel had a terrible reputation with the Titans - old school may sound good, but it doesn't play well today. Pats need a mix of BOTH old school WITH new school, someone like Coach Campbell in Detroit.
@@Anthonyprinciotti I'm pretty sure Vrabel would pass on it now
They gave Bill every opportunity. I don’t blame Kraft or the Patriots for moving on. It was time. The Patriots are going through what all post dynasties do. The 70’s Packers, 80’s Steelers, 2000’s 49’ers and Cowboys. All struggled
Along with the glory years of the Dynasty, I really miss the Big Show, unfiltered or not.
They had moved on from Bill Parcells? Bill Parcells moved on from them!
EVERYONE knew this team was going to suck before the season ever started. Why is everyone freaking out. Year one of the rebuild is supposed to suck. Get the #1 pick, and trade it for 6 top 100 picks and maybe we can make a run by 2026.
There ya go spot on logic thank you
Well said.. I suppose after being in the mix for 2 decades fans and media get spoiled and don’t realize how life is without the the greatest qb and Coach in nfl history 😂
I’ve been saying this since week 2 and fans started freaking out
You're right, people around the NFL have pointed out that the Pats have one of the weakest rosters in the league. They were already in the basement last year, and you were expecting too much if you expected to see a completely different team this year. I was still hoping to see them make more progress than they have, but they've also had some bad luck with injuries on both sides of the ball...
First mistake Kraft made was letting Brady go instead of Belichick second mistake was making Mayo head coach instead of Vrabel !!!
right and right
What position did Brady play on defense?
If Kraft hired vrable instead of mayo after having some stuff in the contract about how he was the heir after bill… mayo would’ve sued the patriots like Brian Flores sued the dolphins
Should’ve kept BB. NE will be the new ATL Falcons. Should’ve traded the pick for more picks and got a FA QB. They could easily won the division this year. They will regret this decision for years to come……..
@@dalepurcell502 Not the point. Just shut up.
More O!
Nice to hear The Big O , loved hearing him in the afternoon & Dennis n Callahan , later with Minihane
Yeah and Pete Sheppard late evenings ❤
Pete the meat
Fred smerles
Ah the good Ol’ Days when Brady was QB, and D&C in mornings plus Big O for the commute home. Now we are in patriot and WEEI radio host purgatory.
Curran the genius who said don't draft Maye. Did he think a couple of picks for the third pick in the draft would fix this mess? It wouldn't have and they'd still have had no QB. At least now they have a QB and can build around him.
He was right.
@@ChocolateAfterDark No Curran was wrong. I am sure there are teams out there that would give up 2 first rounders right now for Drake Maye. If he was right why don't the Patriots deal Maye now? They won't. J J McCarthy is out for the year. Name me 2 players in this past draft that would have made the Patriots better this year
Fix? No. But in a better spot
@@shanaeverowe9626 How so? The trade would have been with with the Giants or the Vikings. McCarthy is out for the year and Nabers has been out The Pats would have been better off? So why not trade Maye for a player and a 1st rd pick now? There are lots of teams out there that would give 2 1st rounders for him im sure. And Maye would be better off too
@@racebannon8569 because they wouldn't have traded down without getting more picks. To move up to the 3rd they pbly would have gotten their 1st round, a second and a third. Those extra picks could have brought in offensive line help or line backers.
Unfortunately I think we have at least 2 years with Mayo :(
I haven't soured on Mayo, and think that any new head coach deserves at least two years to turn things around on a team that's in the basement to begin with.
Glenn can still bring it! He hasn't skipped a beat.
Hearing The Big O's comments really makes me miss him on Boston Sports Radio. Not just great insights but great professionalism and style. Nothing against those on sports radio today but they just have no style.
Maybe stop buying tickets and 400dollar jersies see how fast we get solid players
It’s his second game when it’s competitive he’s going to be dominating
Keyword when !
The best outcome available for the Pats this year is to see Maye play well & injury free, forget the W/L columns.
If Maye plays well, the team can become a magnet rather than the repulsor it now is for potential free agents or trade talent. Next year, the Pats have cap space and loads of draft capital.
Don't ruin next year this year by panicking and making more terrible choices.
Ok so if you can draft Tom Brady but you don’t have a LT, do you pass? If you can draft CJ Stroud, but you don’t have a receiver, do you pass? If you could draft a Patrick Mahomes but the team is not ready- do you pass…..we don’t know what Drake will be, but it was our highest draft pick and he was a great prospect. Trading down only works if you think like Bill Belichick, that the QB position is a commodity item and you can get one in any draft - and that’s just wrong.
That new doc got him out the slums quick, got on snapface the next day.
Good to see Big O
Just get Josh McDaniels back simple
I miss the Whiner Line!
Glen makes a great point about the culture and team around drake relevant to his skill. I instantly thought of sam darnold. I hope maye doesnt end up like heineke, dalton, wentz, baker, where they can be great organization changers and even be elite but get bounced around and stunted potential due to instability and constantly being pinballed around the league. This organization needs to get it together and at the very least ONLY focus on that OL until they know maye will be protected because the other problem will be maye getting hurt to the point of being a tua or garoppolo averaging more I.R. time a season then actual play time.
BB is the greatest coach of all time period. People seem to forget that bill at GM got us so many patriots legends and super bowls. This narrative is so exhausting are you guys blind or just stupid?
I miss Ordway, Smerlas and DeOssie. That was a fun show.
If Tom isn't cutting his hair until NE wins...we may be lookin' at a hippy giving Patriots break downs when the draft is poppin' off.
I love LISTENING to Glenn. The man has a perfect voice for sports.
Unreal. I didn't even knew he was alive. I miss those early days.
Damn, been a hot minute since I heard from Glenn. Listened to him for years back in the day on EEI.
Mayo is NOT ready to be a HC, period. This talk of 'expecting Mayo to learn OTJ' is awful. He's spent a lifetime at the highest levels of football and this is too much for him
This is 2 guys rehashing the same things every other show does. Welcome to the next 2 years of local nfl coverage
This is some quality spiderman meme content
I personally think they should start with making the defense better first,,,I think the offense will be what they are but when the defense can't get off the field that limits the possessions the offense has......
Mayo is just the coach. Wolf and Groh bring in the players. Pats have VERY few good players. This is only YEAR 1 of the rebuilding process. Defense was supposed to be among the Top 5 in the NFL this season. But HOW COULD IT BE when Judon, Barmore, Captain Bentley and Peppers are gone for the season?? Yet people want to place ALL of the blame on Mayo. Shortsighted and impractical thinking from SPOILED Patriots fans who have LOST perspective and with it, their patience. Not saying Mayo is without blame, but it's CRAZY not to question PLAYER PERSONNEL HOLDOVERS 😅Eliot Wolf AND Matt Groh, who don't have exactly stellar records over the past 5 years +.
I don’t understand how Jarod earned the position in the first damn place
Petty is endemic of crusty east coasters. Tommy is starting to follow in BB footsteps. Sure makes good copy.
Also i think it is safe to say it will escalate to a high pitch frenzy
LOL Curran got his marching orders from the Krafts and Ordway is like "ya im not playing along"
People so quick to forget how mac jones wasn’t allowed to throw the ball more than 10 yards his “probowl” year, and quick to forget all of his AWFUL turnovers. The patriots lost 3 games in a row last year where opponents scored less than 10 points. Put Drake Maye on last year’s team and they win minimum 8-10 games.
Fire Mayo
And nobody thinks Mayo and Wolfe were sowing doubt about Bill to Kraft and to the prayers in the locker room?
Question: what if the front office believes that Drake Maye could be one of those precious top qbs in the league. we know there aren't 32 of them. what if they felt, drafting at number 3, that they had to take him. didn't think JJ McCarthy was one of those guys. Dont they have to pull the trigger?
Everyone is saying Tom wouldn’t let him talk but it’s the other way around 😂 either way I couldn’t watch this because no one could get a point across 😂
So far looks like we might not resign any of the players drafted this year besides Maye but we will see.
Kraft needs to own it. Drop Mayo now and if you don’t feel great about Wolf, do it all at once. And if I see Vrabel, I walk 😂
Don’t think 2020 was a rebuild. More of a reload. Ran out of ammo. Now we’re rebuilding from top down
"They gave him every opportunity after 2022" execpt letting him choose the quarterback
Glenn knows so much more than Tom, it's not even close. The difference is Glenn is not beholden to RKK.
Kraft's biggest mistake was not ordering Belichick to sign Brady. It was dumb for Kraft, and quite possibly the dumbest ever NFL GM mistake by Belichick.
Belichick is a great coach, but the Patriots achieved greatness because of Tom Brady.
Mayo was a hell of a linebacker I would even say a legend in New England. But I lost all respect for him during his introduction speech never discussing what he will bring to the team, the teams Direction in the future. Instead we got how horrible it is to be a black man in the NFL and how much he loves Dei. And he should love it because it worked for him. And that is what
DEI will get you..... 1-6 and good luck trying to fire him. We already know what that narrative will be and ESPN and their wokesters will make sure we know.
Kraft has more DEI points than Mayo (some type of self proclaimed czar against anti-semitism or whatever) he could probably get away with firing him.
He's the type to fish a penny out of a porta potty so it's more an issue of if he has to pay him after firing him.
Kraft has a huge decision to make.. admit you were WRONG. Move on from Mayo.. clean house. If you want a CULTURE that ain’t “SOFT” then you bring in Vrabel.. Vrabel is a hard nosed respected LEADER OF MEN.. he deserves the job. He is the perfect fit to bring the patriots back.
I think even more than his limited arm strength. Hiw biggest plus, his knowledge of the game, played a big part in his biggest weakness, his attitude. He thought he knew better than Belichick.
Tom - did you ask 1 question or make statements and wait for the same blabby answer
Wouldn't be in this mess if Kraft didn't force Bill to pick Mac. Mac Jones is the real reason we're gonna be bottom feeders for the foreseeable future. Not that duplicating the Brady years would ever be possible, but at least we could still have a competitive team. We're the dumpster fire of the entire league, and that's a fact!
Belichick is paid for being a commentator, it's his job. On the other hand Kraft didn't have to slam bill.
You had Tom Brady all those years. He set the tone and he glued everyone together. Others were simply basking in the glory.
this whole “ we aren’t ready for Drake” is such a bananas stupid statement. If he’s as good as we think he is then guess what? We got 150 mill in cap space next year. Let’s go dangle fat check in front of an elite receiver. Draft O line with every pick. Defense gets healthy and maybe pay another guy on the edge. Thats a 9 win team.
Sorry old guys, teams are built with qb when ur drafting in first round. This patriots did same thing with drew bledsoe. lol. The if mahalmes was a luxury lol.. when u have Bledsoe very easy to chose another qb from in 6th round..
Ownership wants to get back to win only if winning can be done while maintaining or increasing their profit margin. TB12 allowed them to win at a discount and now they are in stocker shock at having to pay FMV plus the suck tax
bill parcells is the best coach of all time.
I used to listen to Tom every pod. Loved him. Never understood the people that hated on him. Fast forward to this year and listening to him make excuse after excuse for Mayo just boils my skin. Can’t stand him anymore. How in the hell can you sit there and say well Jerod wasn’t out in a position to succeed?? What new coach is? They are all in a bad spot which is why the previous coach was fired. That means nothing. Mayo is soft. Mayo tore down the do your job signs. Mayo rode an e-bike through the locker room. Mayo calls his boss Thunder. I mean the guy is a joke. You have to make your own success. You had a draft, you had free agency, you had $100 Million in cap space and didn’t spend it. Mayo does not get a pass. He is in the position he proactively put himself in. Nothing less. And he makes excuses and doesn’t take accountability and points fingers. He’s soft with a soft culture and that results in soft play. Mayo is the problem. And Kraft is the problem. And now Tom is the problem.
Nope, Gunner, you and others are the problem. Mayo doesn't bring in the talent, doesn't he? The biggest problem we have is a LACK OF TALENTED PLAYERS. Impossible to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, right?
Eliot Wolf and Matt Groh, along with Belichick, have been bringing in the (LACK OF) talent here for 5+ years. So...WHY THE HELL AREN'T PATS FANS upset with Wolf and Groh? Mayo is not without blame, obviously, but it is foolish to put more or ALL of the blame on Mayo.
To be fair Tom E did turn heel when he went with a ladies zyn over a real mans chew.
who would have thought that going from an 8 time SB winning coach to a guy with 4 years of experience coaching linebackers was going to make the team worse? Kraft is an idiot and the only thing any the dynasty he deserves credit for is not doing anything. Went from only ever seeing him during drunk SB victory speeches to seeing him constantly shitting on belichick. Bad taste in mouth
I sorry, but Curran is wrong about trading down this year. The hardest player to get is a franchise QB. Tackles, wide receivers, they can be had every year, QBs no. As an example the Colts and Ravens have good coaching and good players around their QB. Do you think they would want and upgrade over Jackson and Richardson?
Calling somebody
Less O
Why do they keep talking about the past and what bill did, the question is what are the solutions to better this team. Start signing players the trade deadline coming up patriots are gonna have to start cutting foos
Mayo was coming late to meetings because he was snitching and smooching Bob Kraft. Everyone has worked with people like that. Mayo will expose Kraft as a clown.
Glenn kicked Tom's ass and exposed his foolishness. You fired a HOF coach with incredible attention for detail, for a guy who installed a mini basketball hoop. You deserve to have podcasts like these for the rest of your career Tom. Just spending hours discussing why the Patriots suck.
Why the old men talking like drake has been in the league for 3 years 😆 🤣 let them build the team and then judge them
Too many injuries and players out on defense and on the offensive side same story since like 2018 the oline sucks and no consistent 1st down pass catcher with oline being the worst part we didnt address in a good way since Nate Solder walked and no true threat at wr since Randy Moss and too much flip flopping Coaches around a poor team too many bad Fa signings of washed up players and bad offensive picks in the draft when we all know good ones were on the board Metcalf, Deboo etc last great ones were Gronk and Hernandez. Good thing is we have a QB now we know we have to get a wr and 2 tackles thats the main focus for next offseason above anything else and get some help on the Dline and 1 more good corner opposite of Gonz.
They have a lot beat players out... Nobody takes that inconsiderate
First 4 minutes is scripted propaganda 🤮
2 idiots validating each other
Typical Tom. He brings people on his show to talk for 5 minutes straight, the other person had to interrupt to get a counterpoint in. Then Tom interrupts them 20 seconds into them talking.
They act like good quarterbacks grow on trees
Nip that "open" TRANSPARENCY theory in the butt. Time to clam up 'cause the media is not your friend.
Bad choice of a coach. Cut ties now
“Didn’t want to fire the guy” what does all this Bill talk have to do with hiring the least qualified HC in the history of the nfl?
Greatest coach of all time? What happens when Andy Reid surpasses him?
You got to be kidding me 😂
He won't
@@JoshuaZ.64 You don't think Reid will win 40 more games with KC? Dream on, my friend! Reid will surpass BB in career wins, career playoff wins and will have gone to the SB with two franchises.
@@joeyvitamins 6 Lombardi trophies...6🏈
Mayo simply doesn't have the experience to be a head coach and he obviously is not real bright
You guys are crazy if you're going around saying the Patriots should not have picked Drake May there's only one way to win in the national football League and is that is to have a good quarterback I'm sorry if you have a bad quarterback in the fourth quarter you are not winning that game simple the game has changed it's different now I'm sorry defense used to when you championships but it doesn't anymore offense does and we seen it look at Kansas City but you still need at least the top 10 defense I get that but you have to build a team around a quarterback I am glad they got Drake may they will not ruin him if they get the head coach right because the problem with the Patriots right now is the head coach and the front office and I honestly believe this if Robert Kraft if you cannot get this right very soon you should sell the team