Bill said that the culture problem has to exist somewhere in ownership, personnel and/or coaching. He says he doesn't know who, but I bet he knows where specifically the problem is - some goofball who makes shit decisions over and over again.
The one constant is the owner. There was a leak last year that Woody calls the HC daily to make suggestions based on what he read on the internet. You can’t attract a strong leader coaching when the owner is meddling and undermining behind the scenes.
Dear Matt, As a lions fan I have to say hearing you talk about your time in Detroit gives me more respect for you. I know it didn’t work but thanks for trying to fix my organization. Good luck and I love this podcast keep up the good work. 🦁💪💪💪
Same here. I was unhappy with the result, but I have a healthier perspective and respect for what all coaches and their families go through. I’m glad they are compensated to what they go through.
Agree. No one takes a HC job planning for things to go bad. Most of the time it's that losing during the transition until the HC can get his players playing to his vision becomes untenable for ownership and many times is influenced by media playing expert.
This conversation transcends football. Great insights on self reflection, taking care of others, and navigating internal turmoil when things don't go as planned. Love this podcast!
Lombo loves throwing shots and bill somehow finds a way to agree without doing the same its great. I think lombo voices what bill is actually thinking without putting him in a position to say stuff he doesn't want to
Not enough people are watching this type of real analysis of the ups and downs of coaching in the NFL. Just real, honest, and genuine conversation - but most importantly knowledge, experience, sympathy, and credibility about the subject matter. Not like the bullshit emotional ratings driven media. These are three guys that competed and hated the Jets for many years, yet all they have to say is how sympathetic they are to the situation that Saleh found himself in. This is what every sports show should be like - real, intelligent, and human. Less media drivel from morons who have no idea what they are talking about and more of this, please.
I can't believe it's 2024 and Bill just rewinds 50 years worth of football games and pulled a game out of his mental library from 1974, ....with details. And I don't even remember what happened yesterday.😂 I just love this show. Thank you gentlemen. Much appreciated.
People talking about Bill going to the Jets don't know how lowly he thinks of the organization. I don't think Bill is going back at all. He's already known as the greatest coach of all time, and he's clearly enjoying his life now and has a 25 year old girlfriend.
Certain group of New Yorkers were angry at Saleh for wearing the the flag of Lebanon during games. Wish it had made him realize he needed to win to stay.
From central Mass I used to tune in to Cleveland sports radio when Bill was there. I would get so pissed listening to those people call in.and the way they treated him. I still think Cleveland football is cursed because of the way Bill was treated there.
No, they are screwed because they have passed on multiple franchise QBs in the first round. The original Browns Organization became the Baltimore Ravens.
Bill is truly a Patriot. He will always enjoy watching the Jets suffer, the Bills choke or fall short, and the Dolphins put more stock in their perfect season (50 years ago) than the 85 Bears.
100%. Especially because everyone thinks all you need is a franchise QB and you'll win football games... Nope. You can pay WRs $30mil, doesn't matter. Coaching does matter!!!! Players get the job done but if you think an All-Star team will get you 13 wins even with a bad HC, you ain't been watching all these teams underperform year after year.
Also, awesome story about the two-tight end formation in Detroit by Bill!!! Charlie Sanders knew how to ball, especially with his basketball background.
Love contrast of Lombardi and Bill. Lombardi is as direct and blunt as you are going to get. Bill is so smart, but diplomatic. Bill will subtly and succinctly tell you how good or bad he thinks something is without giving anyone a sound bite for people to rage against.
Whatever the feelings any of these guys have about the Jets, they just did Jet fans a big favor. They spoke about the fact that there is long time rot that needs addressing and thank you Mr Lombardi for spelling it out plain, it's the ownership.
I knew Rodgers going to the Jets was going to end up bad. Saleh may not have won games because Zack Wilson was there but at least they had a descent culture but no one can be held accountable cuz Rodgers pretty much took all the power away from the coaches and management because he has to ok everything. If I was the coach I wud rather have a less talented player than one who completely upends the structure of the team and believe in the process that the team can get better. I know that u gotta be able to put up with stuff from players but there are really only a few players who have enough talent to stay in the league when the mess up the team like Aaron or maybe AB did
I swear no one in the NFL actually appreciates the simple fact that someone has to lose. You can have two teams with great culture and everything else, but only one is moving on. A toe could be the difference between being seen as a great team or a bad one. Everything that would have otherwise been seen as great is now a problem. Because of a toe.
Not a huge fan of Saleh but 2-3, play for 1st place this week... Terrible timing. Either before or after the season. Not 1 quarter thru And its 30min of basically saying, "Its Woody!" without actually saying the words
As a jets fan, this is all on rodgers. He needs to realize the mgt depends on him. Everyone has to be in sync with each other, and accountability has to come first. Good luck to the season...
A HD is responsible. Who ever hired Hacket for Roger's is also responsible. I'm a Hawks fan our run D still sucks but Pete is not there to inject enthusiasm. Mike Macdonald and Grubb are good coaches. For some reason the Hawks start slow and have forever. I like Geno can bring us back but K9 getting the ball 5 times on run plays yikes. Slow start K9 had 80 total yards. As a player, I used to try and really run in warm up so my second wind would come sooner. Football is not set up that way. I played top level rugby that meant for me 80 minutes. I don't know how anyone comes off the bench in the 3rd or 4th quarter. Another football thing. I love football just not a couple of things
Bringing in AR to solve the Jets QB issues is exactly like throwing gas on a raging fire to put it out. Duh, I could see this coming 2 years ago. The Jets are a JOKE - but, AR is the NFL's MVP (most valuable princess) and Drama Queen every single year! REALITY is that in 15 years -AR will be barely remembered as just another "one and done" QB.
Bill is happy to see that sh*tshow on the jets
Nah, he is over that. He proved his point to the Jets/Fans/Media
Bill said that the culture problem has to exist somewhere in ownership, personnel and/or coaching. He says he doesn't know who, but I bet he knows where specifically the problem is - some goofball who makes shit decisions over and over again.
@@chrisleo6639 it's clearly the owner, of course
The one constant is the owner. There was a leak last year that Woody calls the HC daily to make suggestions based on what he read on the internet. You can’t attract a strong leader coaching when the owner is meddling and undermining behind the scenes.
This show is exactly as good as I hoped it would be. This is quality ball talk.
Dear Matt,
As a lions fan I have to say hearing you talk about your time in Detroit gives me more respect for you. I know it didn’t work but thanks for trying to fix my organization. Good luck and I love this podcast keep up the good work. 🦁💪💪💪
Same here. I was unhappy with the result, but I have a healthier perspective and respect for what all coaches and their families go through. I’m glad they are compensated to what they go through.
Agree. No one takes a HC job planning for things to go bad. Most of the time it's that losing during the transition until the HC can get his players playing to his vision becomes untenable for ownership and many times is influenced by media playing expert.
He drafted Ragnow. Respect him.
@@nathanpoppen7529 actually Bob Quinn drafted Ragnow.
I’m sad to see Bill not coaching, however I am happy for all of his insight into coaching and general managing an NFL team.
Agree. I love this podcast. Michael Lombardi's GM Shuffle podcast is also excellent.
This conversation transcends football. Great insights on self reflection, taking care of others, and navigating internal turmoil when things don't go as planned. Love this podcast!
0:45 “or……..whoever” good catch, Bill!
Lombo loves throwing shots and bill somehow finds a way to agree without doing the same its great. I think lombo voices what bill is actually thinking without putting him in a position to say stuff he doesn't want to
These productions have been unbelievable. Congrats to everyone involved.
The most insightful, brutally honest and human conversation on the dark side of the football life to grace the internet.
Not enough people are watching this type of real analysis of the ups and downs of coaching in the NFL. Just real, honest, and genuine conversation - but most importantly knowledge, experience, sympathy, and credibility about the subject matter. Not like the bullshit emotional ratings driven media. These are three guys that competed and hated the Jets for many years, yet all they have to say is how sympathetic they are to the situation that Saleh found himself in. This is what every sports show should be like - real, intelligent, and human. Less media drivel from morons who have no idea what they are talking about and more of this, please.
“There’s been a little ready fire aim in NY” is a perfect saying for the Jets
Wow. This podcast is exceptionally good 💯. TY, gents.
2 in one day? Amazing!
Listening to Coach Bill is not just a masterclass in football and leadership, but a masterclass for a way to conduct yourself in life.
Would you want him dating your 24 year old daughter? Oh yeah, he’s a master class in life!
I can't believe it's 2024 and Bill just rewinds 50 years worth of football games and pulled a game out of his mental library from 1974, ....with details.
And I don't even remember what happened yesterday.😂
I just love this show.
Thank you gentlemen. Much appreciated.
Who in the world does Michael Lombardi think he's fooling with that rug on his head??
People talking about Bill going to the Jets don't know how lowly he thinks of the organization. I don't think Bill is going back at all. He's already known as the greatest coach of all time, and he's clearly enjoying his life now and has a 25 year old girlfriend.
Not with Rogers there also. He is the anti-Brady. Me first people with declining skills are great for turning a team around.
He wants to pass Shula for all-time wins
@@hands575 take another decade to get there with the jets
Certain group of New Yorkers were angry at Saleh for wearing the the flag of Lebanon during games. Wish it had made him realize he needed to win to stay.
This show is incredible
As a young father I can’t thank y’all enough for this episode. Holy shit that was great.
From central Mass I used to tune in to Cleveland sports radio when Bill was there. I would get so pissed listening to those people call in.and the way they treated him. I still think Cleveland football is cursed because of the way Bill was treated there.
No, they are screwed because they have passed on multiple franchise QBs in the first round. The original Browns Organization became the Baltimore Ravens.
@@swishdipper4362 lol
Shout out to Bill Belichick Keepin It Real
Some people pay big dollars for this insight. Coach is got that intensity.
"Getting fired from the JETS might not be the worse thing of all"
I can listen to these three all day
Bill is truly a Patriot. He will always enjoy watching the Jets suffer, the Bills choke or fall short, and the Dolphins put more stock in their perfect season (50 years ago) than the 85 Bears.
100%. Especially because everyone thinks all you need is a franchise QB and you'll win football games... Nope. You can pay WRs $30mil, doesn't matter. Coaching does matter!!!! Players get the job done but if you think an All-Star team will get you 13 wins even with a bad HC, you ain't been watching all these teams underperform year after year.
Very mature conversation from all sides. I really enjoyed it.
(2:03) - I wasn't aware of this. Yeah, that's an odd reaction and dynamic going on there.
Have Saleh and Rodgers spoken to each other since training camp, or have other staff members just been acting as their go-between message carriers?
25:16 MAKE A CLIP OF THIS STORY!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR THIS
And people think bill is going to the jets 😂😂😂😂 he legit hates them so much you can tell
Bill wanted nothing to do with Woody from day 1 and now you see why.
That 1976 Lions vs Pats game Bill was talking about was played 48 years ago tomorrow.
Also, awesome story about the two-tight end formation in Detroit by Bill!!! Charlie Sanders knew how to ball, especially with his basketball background.
Love contrast of Lombardi and Bill. Lombardi is as direct and blunt as you are going to get. Bill is so smart, but diplomatic. Bill will subtly and succinctly tell you how good or bad he thinks something is without giving anyone a sound bite for people to rage against.
Great show
Whatever the feelings any of these guys have about the Jets, they just did Jet fans a big favor. They spoke about the fact that there is long time rot that needs addressing and thank you Mr Lombardi for spelling it out plain, it's the ownership.
Best football content out right now.
I love this podcast and video!!
Awesome POVs
I knew Rodgers going to the Jets was going to end up bad. Saleh may not have won games because Zack Wilson was there but at least they had a descent culture but no one can be held accountable cuz Rodgers pretty much took all the power away from the coaches and management because he has to ok everything. If I was the coach I wud rather have a less talented player than one who completely upends the structure of the team and believe in the process that the team can get better. I know that u gotta be able to put up with stuff from players but there are really only a few players who have enough talent to stay in the league when the mess up the team like Aaron or maybe AB did
I swear no one in the NFL actually appreciates the simple fact that someone has to lose. You can have two teams with great culture and everything else, but only one is moving on. A toe could be the difference between being seen as a great team or a bad one. Everything that would have otherwise been seen as great is now a problem. Because of a toe.
Not a huge fan of Saleh but 2-3, play for 1st place this week... Terrible timing. Either before or after the season. Not 1 quarter thru
And its 30min of basically saying, "Its Woody!" without actually saying the words
Yes. Saleh has been wearing a patch of the flag of Lebanon during games. Word is that it angered part of NYC's population.
@@r.williamcomm7693 That's actually an interesting point lol
Does Lombardi have a hair piece? Lol
Lotta “ready, fire, aim” lmao 😅
“Jeff Ulbright” oh lombo 😂😂
I swear BB has a little grin he's holding back the whole time! he seems....happpppy.
Bill getting ready to coach the Eagles, Cowboys, Jaguars or Bengals. Here he's just chatting about the jets.
@10:23 Bill says something nice about the Jets 😂
This... pleases Bill
Love BB cooking the Jets from Ownership all the way down. Patriots for life lmaooo
I know this will be good
with records like that the problems have to be in the jets ownership/front office
23:25 Holy shit Lombo just buried the Jets 😂😂😂
the think tank of football!
Where is Bill going next season?
Why would anyone want to coach Aaron Rodgers when his Achilles injury has made him an average quarterback - at best?
Unlike the real world the head coach gets paid for his contract length
Channel name change?
Jets stink jets will always stink
Cleveland should trade Watson and Vrabel for A Rodgers.
"everyone knows Saleh is a great coach", Matt no need to say that. Where is the evidence? As Mike would say.
Saleh is a great coach FOR DEFENSE, at least that's how I chose to believe he meant it.
Hope they hire mel tucker!
As a jets fan, this is all on rodgers. He needs to realize the mgt depends on him. Everyone has to be in sync with each other, and accountability has to come first. Good luck to the season...
fwiw Matt Patricia seems like WAAAY more of a good smart dude than the internet morons would lead you to believe
Well Jets haven't been found guilty of cheating. Maybe they should try that
Matty P lost some weight! He looks good!
Trash is as trash does
Just like the browns defense, the jets defense will be toast soon.
Numero uno
Since the butt fumble, the Jets organization has been a continuous butt fumble!!
Damn
I wish that you would have talked about how Aaron Rogers influenced this situation.
RODGERS IS A COACH KILLER
But Bill the Jets are going to win the SB only reason Aaron's on the team, SB or bust...BUST.
Please come to the Jets Coach Belichick!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
dream on...
If there was a different owner that wasn't a horses ass like Woody he might consider it.
Now the Jets owe Zack Wilson an apology
He still sucks?
A HD is responsible. Who ever hired Hacket for Roger's is also responsible. I'm a Hawks fan our run D still sucks but Pete is not there to inject enthusiasm. Mike Macdonald and Grubb are good coaches. For some reason the Hawks start slow and have forever. I like Geno can bring us back but K9 getting the ball 5 times on run plays yikes. Slow start K9 had 80 total yards. As a player, I used to try and really run in warm up so my second wind would come sooner. Football is not set up that way. I played top level rugby that meant for me 80 minutes. I don't know how anyone comes off the bench in the 3rd or 4th quarter. Another football thing. I love football just not a couple of things
Jets three ring circus Lol
Ahh yes, trashing in the jets and glazing the pats, great way to start the day
Bill is one of the main reason why the jets have been bad for the last 20yrs
Bill go to the jets
Shouldn't have worn that flag; play with fire when you play with pharisees
Yeah that’s is the dumbest take. If you really think that is the reason he got fired you are a fucking moron
Lmaoo, Belicheat had a murderer on his team..Tom Brady made him famous, Matt Patrica sucked as a coach..SMDH..
Saleh probably doesn’t want to put up with Rodgers’ bs
Bringing in AR to solve the Jets QB issues is exactly like throwing gas on a raging fire to put it out. Duh, I could see this coming 2 years ago. The Jets are a JOKE - but, AR is the NFL's MVP (most valuable princess) and Drama Queen every single year! REALITY is that in 15 years -AR will be barely remembered as just another "one and done" QB.