MAGA right and far left DISGUSTING after Hamas attack on Israel
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-- Both the MAGA right and the far left react disgustingly to the Hamas attack on Israel in which the death toll has or soon will surpass 1000
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You can simultaneously be against the Israeli govt and not be antisemitic while supporting the Palestinian people and horrified by Hamas.
Not in the US unfortunately
Well said.
That’s me! Unlike people like Nikki “finish them” Haley.
I'm not anti-semitic in principle and I defend Jews against anti-semites but when Jews start talking garbage like "god gave us the land", "we are the chosen ones" it's impossible not to turn somewhat anti-semitic.
That same line is used by so many in the USA to justify their rights above others.@@johnc3525
David, we are here. Sensible leftists would never applaud viscious murder no matter who it was. Kudos to you. Keep going.
Yes, absolutely 💔💔💔
Never support war crimes by Hamas. Never celebrate murder. Never support war crimes by Israel. Never support murder.
I don’t applaud the murder. I just understand why the murder happened.
Years of dehumanization will lead to savagery.
Why is everyone surprised? And I don’t believe for a minute that Netanyahu didn’t know this was going to happen and this is his excuse to add to the savagery.
Of course not. But no one says a damn thing when Israeli's kill civilian Palestinians. Everyone turns the other way and only gets outraged when there's retaliation. They're BOTH wrong!!!
Well, Sam Harris is right…again.
Violence is unacceptable regardless. As an American Jew, who is a humanist and believes in people, this is terrible to see. Civilians, Israeli and Palestinian alike should not be caught in this crossfire. I condemn Hamas’ barbaric killing of Israeli civilians and I condemn Israeli aggression/what is being done to Palestinian civilians in Gaza.
100% agree with you
Surely you must understand after 80years of oppression & occupation there comes a point when enough is enough & people will erupt?
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@arniearnie3963 do you condemn what Hamas is doing to innocent people ?
That part 💯
I'm neither a Republican or Democrat. I'm registered as independent. I feel the need to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't want anyone to tell me that I should vote a certain way due to political affiliation to one party. But I condemned the actions of Hamas. What's right is right, what is wrong is wrong. PERIOD....
I'm a part of your silent core audience, and I am with you, David. Thanks for calling it like it is, and being a moral voice in this.
There is nothing moral about remaining silent, for years, when the Israelis have been carrying out systemic genocide against the Palestinians that has been every bit as barbaric and inhumane as what Hamas just committed. Are you aware that, overall, the number of innocent Palestinians killed at the hands of Israelis is 10 times greater than the numbers of Israelis killed by Palestinians? Are you aware that Israel long ago turned all of Gaza into an open-air prison, with the people having no rights whatsoever. They have no freedom of movement, a scarcity of clean water, and rationed electricity. Please, spare me your arrogance about how moral you and Pakman think you are, when he has never once acknowledged the inhumanity of the Israel-inflicted apartheid state that exists there, and you claim to be "with him" in that regard.
You could fit all of the Israelis that have spoken out in the past ten years against the appalling and near-genocidal conditions imposed on Gaza in a small banquet room.
So what? You think all the civilians should be killed
I am too although not silent
@@billyconnelly3568and?
What does the horrific actions Hamas do to fix anything
If anything Hamas just gave Israel the opportunity to complete destroy the Gaza Strip with the backing from the multiple nations, especially since they kidnapped or murder people from a dozen nationalities
Any movement for an independent Palestine is just gone now and for the foreseeable future
The attack by Hamas is horrific and unacceptable. But it is blind to ignore the contribution by Netanyahu to the instability and hatred. A democratic state of Israel would give equal political and economic rights to citizens of every religion and culture. Failing that creates support for truly evil people. Making Israel a right-wing Jewish state is not the solution and is part of the problem.
They learned well from their early 20th century oppressors.
Obviously....No one is talking about that here. We're talking about extremists cheering on the deaths of innocents.
Bibi’s moves are vile, maybe peaceful Palistinians could have joined in common cause with moderate Israeli’s to change this since Palistinians do have the right to vote there. Instead they chose the fist and the gun.
Israelis have been protesting their government in recent weeks.
Always important to separate innocent people from extreme leaders.
@@gmun2248 How does Netanyahu become the leader, if not with support of the people?
You are correct David. We can support the Palestinian people and condemn Hamas. They are not the same.
...and that's the bottom line truth. Palestinian citizens are not, repeat, not the same as Hamas.
Did you not see the videos? It's NOT just HAMAS. These are sickening beliefs in the mainstream pro Palestinian movement all around the world
Same with condemning the Israeli government and supporting the Israeli people. People tend to be good everywhere but somehow the trash work their way into power and start the abuses everywhere as well. The US is no exception either.
And not all Jews are zionist bastards. There’s a good number of anti-zionist Jews.
I agree with you. I would also add we can support Israel without supporting Netanyahu and the current right-wing government. As progressives, we need to condemn extremism by Israel and terrorism by HAMAS. HAMAS committed an act of war. No doubt about that, but thousands more innocent Palestinians will die once Israel enters Gaza because HAMAS is hiding behind their people.
The Hamas attack was horrifying and Dave is right to condemn both Right and Left extremists...The question now is this: was he this upset when the US went into Iraq setting off an occupation that led to the deaths of more than a million people? At what point in time will he be as upset when the Palestinian casualty rate far exceeds the deaths in Israel?
It's ridiculous.
I've been trying to explain to some of my right wing friends that both revulsion to Hamas' actions and the actions of Israel regarding Palestine are not mutually exclusive propositions.
Well said man.
It's the general public noticing that this kind of thing almost never happens under conservative Republicans--only Democrat-RINOs. Weak interventionists always get us into regional and world wars.
Exactly. People think you have to pick a side and thats it but I think the most reasonable position on this is that both sides have been in the wrong. Obviously these recent events provoke a reaction against Hamas but that doesn't excuse what Israel has done and will do.
That seems to be a problem for most media and people in general, not just your right-wing friends.
Conservatives are nutters. They don’t like Jewish Americans. But they like Israel because the Jewish people over there have extremely conservative takes. But Hamas has the same conservative cultural takes but they don’t like Muslims at all. They put their bigotry on a spectrum
People like to try and justify violence after attacks like this. Terrorists kill a bunch of innocents, and people get bloodthirsty and want to justify Israel turning around and doing the same thing, not only to Hamas but to innocent Palestinians, which only breeds more extremism.
The US did the same thing after 9/11. Everyone was so amped up for some kind of revenge that most people had no problem with the US invading 2 countries unrelated to the attacks.
How can anyone be PRO rape and PRO murder?? There is NO JUSTIFICATION!! There is something so wrong with all of this!!
Exactly!
Only Hamas should be blamed. Unfortunately innocent Israelis and Palestinians will be harmed with the Israeli govt trying to crackdown on Hamas.
Just because one wears a soldier uniform doesn't make him not a terrorist. Just because you oppose Israeli policies doesn't make you anti-Semitic. Just because you favor freedom and equality for all doesn't make you a fringe thinker.
As a progressive Democrat, I am horrified at the death & destruction happening in Israel AND in Ukraine. I pray for ALL of the innocent people on each side. This breaks my heart.
there has been deathi and destruction in Palestine, oh yeah they don't matter.......🇵🇸
As an actual Leftist (egalitarian and progressive, not a Capitalist like corporate democrats), I feel the same.
I'm also saddened by people like Pakman who claim to be progressive, but refuse to hold their own accountable.
All of this war is terrible, but it happens because of people like Pakman refuse to see what they don't want to see. Namely those who they side with blindly. He sides with Israels current government and Argentinas previous government, and both of them are clearly extreme right-wing fashie governments.
Pakman supports fashie governments, and yet claims to be progressive. It doesn't work that way.
No Israeli adult citizen are innocent since they as a electorate for decades have supported of the crimes their state commit very single day.
And now they are going to be supporting warcrimes way way way worse than any the Russians have committed in Ukraine.
And at he same time it obviously also need to be said that Hamas is a horrible terror organization that hopefully will be destroyed by this war.
"Both sides" bullshit is why you're a regressive demokkkrat!
You can't tell truth from fiction & are too lazy to educate yourself on the cult of islam & its 1400 year history of conquest that led to bullshit like this in Israel!
You idiots keep sitting on the fence, not realizing that the devil owns that too & that you'll end up sharing his punishment as well!
Atheist "evolution" stopped over 20 years ago which is why none of you have any new ideas & are constantly memeing song & movie quotes from 20+ years ago all over chat & comment sections on this stupid war!
Hamas has been raising up child soldiers for YEARS & you people keep wondering how this crap keeps happening?! - watch?v=Bra53uzgPDk
It comes from islam's "holy" book! And because you foolish westerners refuse to educate yourselves & actually stop evil through "EDUCATION" (that word that you all love so much, but abandon after HS & college indoctrination!)
65 years imprisonment of the entire Palestinians population in their own land by the Israel is totally inhumane. Israel continuios illegal land grab from Palestinians are out right criminal acts. How would any country would like to switch places to live as Palestinians under Israeli control and oppression for 65 years? These problems can't be solved thru oppression and war, it will only fuel more hate and revenge.
I'm an Arab-American and I am appalled at the terrorist acts Hamas committed. Just completely medieval and barbaric. Sadly, ordinary Gazans - many of whom have nothing to do with Hamas - will now suffer the consequences (as you said David, very much expected considering the severity of the attack) which will be felt for a very long time. Definitely a losing prospect for any sort of hope for a Palestinian state and Hamas knows this but clearly could care less about it.
If the people who are capable of acknowledging and recognizing suffering on both sides, and who are capable of acknowledging and recognizing the bad acts on both sides, could get together and kick out all of the fanatics, maybe some solution to this endless war could be found. I will say that the people who completely blame one side of the other are only making things worse in the long run for the side they supposedly support. If you deny the humanity of the ordinary people on either side, you are just feeding into a dialogue that creates more violence. Like if you insist that either side basically has no right to exist, how do you expect that side to respond? Just leads to an endless cycle of violence and more violence
@@soltantioHamas committed war crimes. That doesn’t excuse war crimes by Israel.
these sad average people held elections and elected this group of evil shit..dont give me this sob story its not true..I only feel bad for the children..anyone else in my opinion is getting what comes with such evil actions..a hard response..absolute and to never be forgotten
Well obviously you're a well adjusted and a reasonable person. The protests you see in Australia are a direct result of of mass immigration, where in this case mostly Arabs haven't tried to integrate into Australian society and accept a better way of life, they instead move into their own communities bringing with them their hate filled ideologies, they hate Australians too even though they elected to become one.
Ordinary Gazans have PLENTY to do with Hamas, and you damn well know it.
Its called " extremism". People lose their humanity and justify violence for the "cause". Its baffling that in this day and age we cant find civilized solutions to disputes.
Also I feel the US and to a lesser extent EU have looked away for the last two decades since the Oslo accords failed to yield a solution. That all broke down over Jerusalem. It seems extraordinary that this major open sore on the geopolitical landscape cannot be sorted due to the inability to agree about Jerusalem. That kinda shows how much religion is involved in all this. I'm a firm believer where there's a will there's a way. If the US ,EU, Russia, China etc had been determined to sort this, they could have enforced/ encouraged both sides to reach an agreement. They didn't bother. 'We've failed so we won't try again,' is not global leadership.
@@seandoherty925 The Oslo accords were signed by then prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin. he was then murdered by a Zionist Jew, Yigal Amira, hero of many in Israel. This was on the night that the current prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu held a rally against the Oslo accords, holding up pictures of Rabin as a Nazi, including some with his face in crosshairs. If you wondered why they didn't work, I don't think I have to explain further if he was ever interested in a peaceful solution to the issue.
Because religion is detrimental to human advancement and we will never move forward as a species unless we get rid of cultural and religious beliefs
Iareal/palestine has been fueding forever. Its a game.
Im sick of it.
Hamas is evil though.
It's not really that baffling- this has where Patriarchal society has taken us. In a Matriarchal, there would be NO WAR & society, women & children would be EQUAL.citizens and honored, NOT SEXUALLY ASDAULTED, RAPED & ABUSED, AND SPIT UPON.
It's the lowest level 0f Consciousness in the Cosmos.
What you oerpeyrate upon another, you do to yourself. We are ALL ONE. We are not seperate.
Damn, humans are so unconscious!!
It's quite the world we live in. What a sad and disturbing display from the maga right and far left. Humanity at its worst these days.
MAGA ❤️
is trolling fun?@@Qthekat1984
I'm an independent, and the attempted tie into MAGA extremism seems so desperate, dishonest, and ugly. Lefty journalism is so predictive you don't even need to watch it. Its just Conformation bias entertainment. Its weird tho the leftist communists are the ones marching for Palestine, when Religion(Zionism/Mulsim) has nothing to do with their ideology. I hope killing over ideology stops.
The "MAGA right" as you call them, literally did nothing wrong. I have a feeling you have never even spoke with a Trump supporter in real life. You are literally hating a group of people bc people tell you too.
What have you seen from the MAGA right?
David, I'm progressive and I am appaled by the people on these video clips. Hamas behaved barbaric. No excuse. People that cheer violence are sick. I'm so sorry for all the affected families. Your message is very heartfelt and fair. Don't stop saying it. I'm 100 percent with you.
Me too. I even consider myself very far left. This was disgusting and appalling. I agree with David here. There is no excuse for the way either side is behaving.
israel is also guilty for r*ping and killing women and children for the last 70+ years. this is the result of war
The violent attack by Hamas is sick as is the provocative and continued violence from Netanyahu & Israel.
Who started it?
LOL suddenly Ukraine doesn’t matter anymore 📺 🐑🐑🐑🐑
People are so disgustingly hateful. How can you even gather to celebrate this horrific attack. We all need to take a step back and think about what this means to ALL of humanity.
@@amberturdcoloringbook1733covid was world peace
Similar to Americans and Isrealis celebrating when innocent afghans and Iraqis are bombed and killed for no reason.
That we need to get rid of all religion because it’s creating low iq savage people that solve shit with blood?
They should film the celebrations going on in Israel every time an apartment building falls. I'm well aware that every Israeli doesn't do that. But what if you caught it on tape and presented it as though they did? There are two million in Gaza. They don't all love blood. If you'd ever see them on TV as humans and not just viewed from half a mile away as a hospital falls down, you'd realize that.
@@andrew_owens7680 exactly. Exactly.
As an Australian, I find it difficult to comprehend how anyone in this day and age can celebrate the brutal killing of innocent people.
Me too mate
'merika
and exactly who do you think are innocent?
Every adults Israeli citizen is partly responsible for the crimes committed by the Israeli state since they voted for the current leaders.
Israel is ruled by a fare right nationalistic party, the Israelis state is committing crimes very single day and are now committing warcrimes even worse than what se wee in Russia.
(targeting critical infrastructure like waterplant and powerplants are warcrimes. The Russians tried to hit them with missiles. Israel are simply going to turn it all off. That is a much much worse crime)
Israel are illegally occupying territory that do not belong to them... just like Russia is. And both need to be forced back to their own borders.
When people forces out a population of an area and then settle there, they are no longer civilians,. They are an active part in a crime under international law.
At the same time we got a terrorist organization in control of the Gaza strip. Their methods are also way outside acceptable behavior... even in war.
And both sides have serious issues when it come to the rights of minorities.
Americans still commemorate VJ Day every year. Lots of innocent people murdered by the Bomb.
65 years imprisonment of the entire Palestinians population in their own land by the Israel is totally inhumane. Israel continuios illegal land grab from Palestinians are out right criminal acts. How would any country would like to switch places to live as Palestinians under Israeli control and oppression for 65 years? These problems can't be solved thru oppression and war, it will only fuel more hate and revenge.
I'm sure my comment will either get deleted or I'll be shadow-banned, but here goes.... As an actual "far leftist" and proud socialist (and "dirty commie"), I'd just like to chime in and say the majority of us condemn Hamas and their actions, and recognize they're a terrorist organization, while at the same time, proudly stand with the people of Palestine. It's truly horrible what they've (Hamas) committed, but the same can be said about the IDF. It's a lot more nuanced than what mainstream media tells you. One can be pro-Jewish, anti-Zionist, and pro-Palestine at the same time. We just want to see the apartheid state end. The fact that Israel can control if the innocent civilians of Palestine get food, electricity, and water is criminal.
Outrageous that anyone who _claims_ to be a progressive could possibly condone these sickening attacks and atrocities. I completely condemn these horrible acts of senseless terrorism.
Agreed. I also fully condemn any war crimes committed by the Israeli government.
Yeah. Coming from someone with a nice comfortable life whose never lived under a brutal dictatorship and has never had to make real life and death sacrifices
@@brianmccollaum5489 Understand this point...but Hamas is apparently firing 100s of rockets each day into Israel, hiding their military assets in mosques, schools, hospitals, ets... how can Israel stop the attacks?
I assume you’re saying you condemn the 970 civilian buildings that Israel has bombed as terrorism as well.
And you say nothing when Israel does this to Palestinians. Yeah we get it.
My God what is wrong with these people?! Thousands of men women and children were horribly slaughtered! not on a battlefield. in these homes in the streets. Slaughtered like animals!😡 Not the the Palestinian people.. but what Hamas did. How horrible! Beheading babies !? What are you!?!
I'm with you on this, David. You're a sensible voice in a seemingly chaotic world.
He’s a leftist
I am a Jewish progressive who CANNOT BELIEVE what is going down now. So many people LIKE ME are excusing terrorism, murder, rape, torture, beheadings. I honestly do NOT understand.
What do you have to say about the THOUSANDS more, 70% women an children killed by Israel's revenge attacks?
I am Jewish and conservative/right wing and you would be surprised how many left wing (and to be fair far/alt right, but that’s expected) people I have met who are full on antisemitic. I’ve met queer people who support LGBTQ rights, pro immigration, pro BLM, pro trans, etc. who dislike Jews and have expressed it to me in the past albeit in other contexts they hide it behind the veil of disliking Israel and it only coming out with extended conversation. One guy who was the best friend of a girl I was dating (who herself would make Jew jokes, but couldn’t stand even a hint of racism towards Hispanics [she was Hispanic]) was gay, but would harass me about being Jewish as soon as he heard my last name. He would constantly ask me if I was Jewish and would make gross comments regarding circumcision. He once introduced me to an old woman who hated Jews just to see her reaction towards me. Yet he was openly gay and liberal. So there you go
@@AryaOghuz omg. That’s horrible. I’ve been pretty lucky, though my married name is Scandinavian, but it’s disturbing to see so many people who share my values be so against them now.
@@AryaOghuzthe fact that the world stands by and lets the state of Israel occupy that land so long is enough to turn people antisemitic.
Because we're not falling for the f******propaganda.
As a gentile, I am with you David. I'm glad you are calling out the evil on both the far left and far right.
As a Jew, thank you!
He's ridiculous for not acknowledging his own bias. EVERY single discussion of this event MUST start with what it's like to live in Gaza and why it's like that. That's not a justification, that's just context and journalistic integrity.
Hey my gentile friend let's see what their religious book says about you
Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”
Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal..
I dont know what a far lefty is. Im more independent.
The hamas group is evil. The middle east has fueded forever.
Im so sick of the isreal/palestine fued.
That isnt even a right/left thing.
Thats a middle east thing.
You're missing the point, David. Hamas is supported by Satan'sYahoo's government. It's like blaming the dogs some guy beat into a vicious pack. Go ahead. Do some research on Satan'sYahoo's comments about how Israel should SUPPORT Hamas because it gives Israel an excuse.
And stop misquoting people to make what they said sound heinous. "took several dozen hipsters, and I'm sure they are doing fine regardless of what the New York Post says", when combined with the promise to not hurt their hostages is a far cry from what you misquoted. You chopped off the entire explanatory part and added in a word that turned "took" into the functional equivalent of "strafe". How could what you did be accidental???
Maybe it really was a mistake, but you owe that guy a BIG apology.
Are you fighting some residual bigotry? Lots of us are. That misquote was far more glaring than your intelligence would generally allow unless there was something fuzzing up your thinking.
As a far leftist myself, I am both confused and appalled by the cheerleading that my peers are participating in.
Those are so far left and anti Jewish/Israel they become indistinguishable from the far right.
The further you go on both sides, the more deranged you become
They are not our peers.
Basically our version of the MAGA cult infestation.
Unlike the right, we take out our trash.
@@ljeanabldr We are talking about the bad on BOTH sides. Pay attention.
@@ljeanabldr Indeed, Hamas signed Gaza's death warrant when they went around raping women, murdering elderly people, and beheading babies like animals.
I'm so glad you're being honest and talking about this. I'm not Jewish but I'm on the left for the majority of issues. The defense of this blatant anti semitism on the far left is sickening
True. Excusing war crimes by the Israelis in return is sickening as well.
You tell 'em David. I'm as pro-Palestinian as one can get. Everyone should condemn this horrific terrorist attack by the evil genocidal Hamas against innocent civilians in the most inhumane disgusting way imaginable.
You're a traitor
how can you support such evil acts@@Sheenovastee
@@Reyzz3you're literally supporting isreal.
@@lo-ficommie7988you are completely fucking braindead if you think condemning Hamas = supporting Israel
It is a terrible thing but it is Israel that is taking land from palestinians and forcing them out. Basically, the religious Israel government left nothing to the palestinians.
I don't know what the solution is. Maybe all palestinians should leave?
Thank you David for holding both sides accountable. I don’t know what’s going on with this country.
So We were right to trust terrorists that they money wouldn't be used for terrorism
Please pray for the genderqueers of Gaza
Me neither 😕 we're human first. That should be our first consideration. Humanity
No values.
Free Palestine
It's hard to see Israel as the holy land when it's saturated in so much blood and hatred for one another. Heartbreaking. I hope this ends soon. Those poor civilians on both sides.
Because most religious people are too wrapped up thinking that THEIR religion - is the RIGHT religion. Rather than realizing that ALL organized religion is
designed to divide different groups of people against one another. Religion was created by MAN to control other MEN - - there is no way to get around that
very basic principle. Until the masses realize the folly of their idiotic, superstitious and illogical beliefs - - this stupidity and horror will continue.
- - - Holy Land ???? really ??? Mostly they are no more enlighten than cave man species......simpletons and morons......
The REDEEMER OF ISRAEL SAID " BECAUSE INIQUITY SHALL ABOUND, THE LOVE OF MANY SHALL WAX COLD". St. Matthew 24:12. It's time to trust GOD and not MAN!!! YOUR CHOICE. PEACE ✌️ OUT.
@@eugenegoodwin1036 So long as you remember that your "PEACE" involves all the Jews bowing down in worship to Jesus and tossing off their religion. Be honest about that and stop pretending that you are a friend to Israel.
Honestly to me the blood and hate is what makes it all about religion, given the general history of religions.
@@thatguychris-l3preligion has nothing to do with it. Ppl are evil in all parts of the world.
Medieval is right. I stand with innocent people. War is evil.
Innocent people on BOTH sides should never be targeted. 80% of people I talk to are selective in which innocents they care about.
Any other stance is evil
Agreed. I stand with the innocent people. Because both Israel and Palestine have committed grave atrocities against each other. In the United States, there's very little discussion about the crimes Israel commits. However, none of it is right. I sympathize wholeheartedly for the innocent.
I think it's social media, misinformation, and people treating horrific crimes as team events.
@@dariusd2003 That's always what this conflict comes down to... It's not two regimes fighting each others' voluntary combatants, it seems like it is just two groups seeing who can harm more innocent people...
There are no sensible leftist!
From a fellow progressive, thank you David for standing with progressive values.
Thank you David, I learned today that a dear friend of mine was one of the ones murdered at that music festival. I fear for the horrifically brutality the tyrannical right wing government of Netanyahu will launch on Gaza. But it hurts to see so many on the left straight up defend my friend’s murder. She did not deserve such a cruel death
Agreed. What Hamas did was war crimes. It also doesn’t excuse war crimes by Israel. Just as the Israeli government doesn’t represent all Judaism Hamas doesn’t represent all Palestinians. Making the millions in Gaza pay the price of what Hamas did is no better than what Hamas did to innocent Israelis and others.
@@brianmccollaum5489agreed!
I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. May she rest in peace.
Agreed. What the Hamas orcs did was absolutely horrific, a crime spree against humanity. You didn't mention that she was otherwise violated so I assume and hope she was spared the orcs' r-acts.
Thank you, Sir, for exactly expressing my feelings about the barbaric atrocities being perpetuated in Israel and Palestine. My heart aches for all those who have suffered immeasurably as a result of Hamas terrorists. When I see a baby carried into a hospital, I don't ask "whose side is the baby from?" I'm horrified simply because it's an innocent child. Families, elderly people, women, children and hostages being slaughtered is nobody's victory. No one "wins" a war. One side just has more loss of life than the other.
Too many humans will never learn.
The difference is one defends their civilians and the other hides behind them. One avoids civilian casualties, the other specifically seeks it out in the worst ways possible.
Yet not one progressive has the balls to admit that fact. Wrong side of history as usual.
Are you seriously suggesting Israel avoids civilian casualties? 🤣
Close to 30.000 people killed in Gaza now including 10.000 children. But luckily, the IDF is "the most moral army" .
@@christiandaugherty6339they’re the perfect Pakman listener. They are practically a carbon copy
This was incredibly well said.
I am a teacher and had to try and explain this conflict to my students, and literally started "well 2000 years ago..."
I was reading a story about how Hamas captured and paraded a female tattoo artist naked through the streets, then I was reading how an Israeli missile leveled the home and shop of toy store owner in Gaza.
Neither the Israeli tattoo artist nor the the Palestinian toy seller are to blame, but they are paying the price.
The whole situation is sickening.
Except you missed the part about how the tattoo artists was SA, they broke her legs and the streets were packed with Palestinians cheering and spitting on her body. You see how that’s not the same?? This is why I’m no longer a progressive. You are still doing it.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad constantly provoke Israel, they don't invest in bomb shelters, and the human shield phenomenon isn't made up so I have some but nonetheless limited sympathy for Gaza. Many Palestinians need to stop backing groups like Hamas and reject the promotion and teaching of violence in their media and school systems.
Exactly, many human beings are still tribal cave men and women. They haven't gown in humanity just in the levels of violence and depravity ✌
Did you also explain to them that this was down to the Palestinians 100 years ago. Neither is right but Israel did the same thing decades ago, we just didn’t have social media…
I don't want to play a game of, "Ooh look at me, I'm so clever", but the tattoo artist is German citizen (not sure if she is dual Israeli citizenship or not) Shani Louk. As I said, I'm not trying to be clever I just think these people (assuming the worst) need to have their names said. They have to be remembered. I mean, that's why names on cenotaphs are so important. We will remember them. I also saw the same shop owner you refer to. Let's just say he was a lover of Hamas and revelled in what his people did on Saturday. Does that make him evil and deserve any less our sympathy? I think not. He's a human being with all our same flaws, failings and fears. War is humanities cancer and we need to exorcise it from our system before it kills us all.
By the way, if you can get uncensored footage of Shani in the back of the pickup, with Hamas "men" (I use the term loosely as I barely see them as human) all around her, she is not naked. She has underwear or possibly shorts and a bikini top on, however the way one "man" is gripping her top, it has ridden up exposing her breasts, though she is face down not moving and, by the look of her legs and how one arm dangles, looks, well, dead. But we can't say that with any certainty. Now, I only wished to add this addendum because so many outlets are reporting she was paraded naked. What she is wearing could easily be typical of clothing worn to a rave and even if it is worse at least she still has underwear on and, as I said, you can see her top is up, but she was not exposed. It's important, I think, that things don't get sensationalised. Remember, the first casualty of war is truth.
We are with you David!
No, I'm not.
I agree that it's not okay to celebrate the deaths of your opponent, but I think it's perfectly normal to celebrate the victories in your battle against an oppressor. Just like we celebrate the Ukrainian victories on the Russians here in Europe.
@@TheBushdoctor68 Soldiers killing soldiers is one thing, but killing innocent civilians in the most brutal of ways (beheading babies, raping women and parading their dead bodies around) is quite another. And if you are okay with that you have lost a piece or all of your humanity.
I'm Ukrainian and I'm 100% with you, David.
I'm human and i 100% agree
@@Isaac-muntzvery well said lol
Well then, you're a good one to ask. If we define Hamas as a terror organization and refuse all diplomacy, should we do the same to Russia? Has Wagner Group and the Russian army committed anything near as bad as what Hamas just did?
I am mexican and I'm with Israel and Ukraine.
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@@RicardoJoseReza you are a good man!
What hamas did was disgusting and Israel response is going to be terrible too. Hamas shouldn’t be supported
I'm Jewish and I'm with you Pak. Nice work.
tight-nit group, huh? 😶🌫️
We stand with the trans kids of Tel Aviv
The murder and rape of civilians is nothing to cheer about.
I’m not Jewish but I can relate to civilized people and all the barbaric attack by a terrorist group that subjugate Palestine and prevent a reasonable peace agreement is repulsive. The Arabs should emulate the Jews, get educated, advance in science and culture, stop alienating half your female citizens. Be strong and show the world that you deserve a country..
@@jacintaaconng1 they had a country and deserve one
no cares what you think
Also where is your condemnation of killing kids in Gaza?
I was upset about how badly the Palestinians were being treated. But, I never thought that attack was justified. Violence is never the answer.
With you 100% David. All perfectly and persuasively stated.
“There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.”
― Howard Zinn
❤
Never heard the quote before nor the man but I think it's a great quote.
"If I dont eat, I am hungry"
Menito Bussolini
Best way to put it.
@@markastoforoff7838You should check out his book “People’s History of the United States”. It is an excellent read.
It’s heartbreaking. For both Palestinians and Israelis. People like me who just want to live their life with no hatred in their heart for anyone. The leaders of these countries need to do better for their people. Compromise. Set the borders and stick to it. Stop killing innocent people.
Or maybe both societies need to realize that the only positive outcome is that they should just unite as one state as one people. Muslims and Jews living peacefully as one. But I'm being too idealistic sadly. There are countries out there that have multiple societies living in one state. It's hard but if Canada, Belgium, Switzerland can find a way to coexist, so can Israel and Palestine.
This is a bunch of gaslighting and hypocrisy. The question you ask about whether it's good or fair for Israel to attack Gaza... and then marking that it is OBVIOUS that it would happen. THAT is the point people like me are making about the concert due to the continous active aggression and invasion by Israel. Why aren't you asking the same series of questions in the other direction? Hell no it is not good or okay what Hamas did, but it was certainly expected. And the comparison to yourself and Trump is actually brilliant because everyday of his regime I worried what other countries would want to do to us if this country didn't resist and revolt. What if another country wanted to "liberate us" from our leader the way we liberated the Afghanis or the Iraqis, for two of many examples? Or, what if other countries felt threatened enough by his antics and ability to start a world war and took actions to stop him and our government at whatever cost to protect the rest of the world? I am absolutely not saying that an Israeli deserved what happened because no one does. I *am* saying that I would expect something like that to happen after so long and so much has happened and there doesn't appear to be a large presence of Israelis standing against it or trying to change it. Why can't the rest of the world want Israel to stop so there can ever be a chance of peace? Why does the world allow it to continue? I want Hamas destroyed, and I also want Israel stopped at the same time. If any of this makes me not a Progressive, that's fine because I've never claimed to be one and won't be shamed into pretending it was less expected than the Gaza attacks are going to be.
For Palestinians?! They are beheading babies. HOW can you feel bad for animals that do that?? Disgusting
@@brianamorgan8492 Well you can also expect to see leftists and pro-Palestinians attacking perhaps severely Jews outside of Israel in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, Argentina, France etc. because of gaza and maybe you can join those very leftists in attacking Jews yourself😉👍
@@danielhuynh9368 people can't keep saying they should just unite as one while Israel is continuing to invade and occupy more and more of Palestine, murdering civilians and forcing them out of their homes. The world needs to make that stop. And probably manage the return of a lot of land and personal property, or compensation for it, for the past 70 or 80 years. There is a dominant aggressor here and you cannot tell the victim to just take it while the aggressor continues.
As a MUSLIM myself I MUST say that the attack was SHEER SAVAGERY !!! 😡😡😡😡
And its PREDICTABLE that Israel will abstract a VERY high price for this senseless and VICIOUS attack. . .
The Jewish dilemma free ham
David I am someone that watches your show on the daily and I never comment but I just want you to know that I am 1000% with you on this. Can’t believe that people are having a difficult time condemning this horrific attack.
I would have been completely shocked if leftists didn't cheer dead Jewish babies.
Brainwashing on both sides to believe that their violence is justified. The Right call it Strength. The Left call it Armed Struggle.
When you commit war crimes against a population for almost 80 years, you don't get to act shocked when they start trying to kill you. The Israelis are responsible for the deaths of millions of civilians since they took over in 1949, and the international community fails to hold them accountable.
You realize that the far left is the vast majority of David’s audience, right?
And the MAGA republicans stand with Israel, right?
Israel is committing apartheid and they are directly targeting and killing civilians.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said about this horrific situation.
I am Syrian Lebanese (often mistaken for Jewish) I've been shaken by these new atrocities, Thanks for being a voice of reason. You are always a place for reasoned opinions while not claiming to know it all.
You could fit all of the Israelis that have spoken out in the past ten years against the appalling and near-genocidal conditions imposed on Gaza in a small banquet room.
@billyconnelly3568, I don't know who you hang out with or if you even know any Jews, but my Jewish friends are vocal in their opposition of Netanyahu and the way Palestinians have been treated.
@@billyconnelly3568 You're must be living in a bunker. There are several Jewish organizations in North America and Bt'selem, the Jewish human rights organization in Israel. I think that just about fills a stadium's worth, not to mention the many thousands who are not affiliated with human rights groups like myself who would like to see a two state solution implemented in the near future. But how about pausing for a moment to recognize the depth of depravity that the whole world is witnessing? Take a pause for a minute from ideological purity.
That said, I pray for the men, women and children who will suffer needlessly on both sides from any escalation here. May Gaza be liberated of anti semitic homophobic terrorists ruling that small strip of land.
@@breckrichardson390
Most of my best friends are Jewish. They live in the United States and they despise and loathe the shitty settler-colonial state Israel.
I said there are very few principled opponents of Palestinian dispossession and murder in Israel and I stand by that statement, because it's true.
@@j.r.kropsky3509
I said there are very few opponents of Palestinian subjugation in Israel.
You name a human rights organization in Israel and that's your ONLY piece of countervailing evidence. Not very persuasive, dude.
And btw, you condescending oaf, the two-state solution is impossible. Israel has chopped Palestine into non-contiguous bantustans divided by checkpoints at every turn. The fact that you say that you would like to see two-states implemented in the "near future" exposes you as a not-smart phony.
Thank you. I'm glad there are voices like yours on the left that are balanced and sane.
Me too.
Yeah, seems like extremism knows how to make a huge scene and a lot of noise but sane balanced voices are almost rare to find these days just because they’re quieter…
I’m as disgusted by the actions of Hamas as I am by the ongoing actions of the Israeli government. One would not exist without the other.
They hate each other for the same reasons. I dunno how you can live next to each other and not think you're looking into a mirror. Hi, I'm the problem it's me.
Well said.
Facts 💯
Hamas wouldn’t exist without Israeli occupation. Horrific.
@@m.j.c.6969fvck… Russian for fuck
You know what's really showing weakness on our part? Having 300+ military promotions blocked by a single senator.
Well said.
MAGA are just doing Putin’s bidding. They are all security risks.
Thanks David for explaining the Iranians' money so well. We have so many ignorant people who don't bother fact checking. Vote💙🙏🇺🇸
Because voting blue has clearly solved so many problems..
DAVID PUNKMAN IS ONE OF THEM.
@@clarencethompson2707Bull hockey.
@@DissectGibberishPunkman is very ignorant. He only cares about how he is viewed and his money coming in. He switches the goal posts and where he stands on every issue. He blames the right and Trump for everything. Now that the Left are pro- Hamas, he now acts like he has always been distanced from them. Progressive is Left and the Left is Progressive.
@@DissectGibberish : I was subbed to Pakman years ago, but his take on the fash Israel and Argentinian governments is heavily biased and cowardly. It's at the very least intentionally ignorant of history. Unless your goal is to also be ignorant, I strongly suggest you read about post WW2 history. In particular what country most high ranking German officers moved to and what they did to Argentinians (lots of mass murder involved) and what happened to the Palestinians in 1947, when the genocide against them began.
If your name isn't there just to hide the reality of who you really are, then I suggest reading about all of the things you have no understanding of. Then talk about them after you know some things about how all of this came about.
One cannot dissect gibberish when that's all they know.
Let's all say this together. Open Air Prison.
Nobody cares
Don't both sides this situation. They definitely aren't sequestered in a ghetto and blockaded by air, sea and land, with little recourse. It's definitely not an apartheid state, Israel has never created illegal settlements, kicking people out of their ancestral homes in modern day colonialism. No one has any idea where any of this animus is coming from! /s
You are correct about your core audience (at least this one). The left should condemn violence from ANY quarter.
But y’all didn’t when Antifa & BLM were killing and burning everything to the ground when Trump won 🤔 #HeresYourSign
@@theresaurus9820 Yea well this is not how you help your cause, Hamas only made it worse for Palestinians.
@@theresaurus9820 The truth is like a repellent to them…….
@@theresaurus9820 Arabs in Israel have full rights, is it possible to live as a jew in Palestine?
@@theresaurus9820suffer? They do this to themselves. They cry about walls and checkpoints, but will kill innocents the moment they are loose.
It is a horror, no doubt in my mind. I feel bad for the Palestinians as well as the Israeli. So many have died. It is heartbreaking.
I do not feel bad for the 'palestinians' as.they have a long track record of backing terrorists, and being terrorists.
I only urge restraint on the part of Israel as I think there is something else going on and until we know for sure what it is, caution is wise.
Perhaps the goal is to draw NATO fully into a mideast conflagration to make them them less an obstacle to Putin.
That won't work though.
The US could fold up every country in the middle east and still have plenty in the tank to give Putin a beat down he won't survive.
Thank america for this
Why?
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is someone with a brain and a heart. Thank you Liz
@@julesnagbunga1204America basically put Hamas into power. Held a democratic election which Hamas ran in and America allowed it because "that's how democracy works 🤷".
I am as far left as you could get. No way am i pro war pro terrorism or any of it. This is horrendous!
So, what is your solution?
Don't invade and steal other people's land, maybe?
@@auntymarushkafahthat's crazy, because the people at the music festival have literally nothing to do with your issue
@@bigfloppa9594people think that's acceptable like collateral damage. It seems the ends justify the means from certain people.
Guess you forgot about the Six Day War when all of Israel's neighbours tried (and Failed) to wipe them off the map? Israel won that land by winning the war. Why would they return it to an enemy that wants to kill all Jews?@@auntymarushkafah
Thank you David for a clear, nuanced talk on what is happening in Israel and reactions around the world. You are spot-on with the Israel reaction to Hamas. I know the Palestinians have been oppressed for many years. This does not, however, mean the Hamas bombings, killings, etc. are justified. I shudder to think when and how this will end.
Good thing there's BDS to resist right?
Ohh right, that's being banned everywhere
They haven't been oppressed.
Whats so nuanced? He makes a false equivocation, cites 1 person to back up the assertion that MAGA is horrible on this issue, and then spends the rest of the video pointing out how the lefts identity hierarchy has forced them to support terrorist from a culture that treats women and gays terribly.
We stand by Israel and Palestine we don't allow this kind of madness.
All I’m gonna say is targeting civilians is unacceptable, the political games being played by both sides is disgusting, and the bloodthirstiness shown by politicians, media, people in general.
This is disgusting, definitely! humans are humans all around the world; how can anyone celebrate the murder and rape of their fellow brothers and sisters, its just appalling all around. Thank you David for covering this with such respect for those lost.
With you 100% David! Just sickening to see extremists condone madness! I'm a progressive & would never support or condone terrorism, murder, or any act of violence from any side regardless of the cause.
I don't condone any of it. But, Israel has had this coming for a LONG time. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Israel embraced apartheid, killed Palestinian kids in the streets, stole homes and land, and now they're reaping what they've sown. They had to know this was coming. And they did nothing to stop what was causing it.
Netanyahu is at fault here. He was already waging war against Palestine. The west invaded Palestine and gave it to Israel. Meanwhile the Muslims, Jews, and Christians had been living in Palestine together for centuries in relative peace on Palestine. But apparently you only care about the real extremists: Israels government.
You seriously need to read more history. Palestine has nothing to do with any of this, and Israel has been waging war against them for decades.
Yes, Hamas made an incredibly stupid mistake. Don't be like them. Don't just automatically take the side of the team with the colors you prefer.
Extremist? Pretty sure they're mainstream left. Even the Chicago chapter of BLM is supporting Hamas. You might want to take a look around the people beside you
@@dark14life”I’m an idiot who thinks social media memes are the best way to understand the Gaza Strip.”
That's why 'extreme left' and 'extreme right' simply end up being "extreme." This attack was horrific and venal. Period!!
Sure, but shouldn't the left condemn Israel's response? What happened to "we're better than them, we don't support the death penalty, the govt should never take revenge"?
I couldn’t of said it better myself.
@@johnc3525most of us don’t, like most of you don’t. Nice job being brainwashed.
@@johnc3525 dont condem the response condemn the several decades of openly bragging of stealing the houses and villages of Palestinian as a god given rights.
condemn the embargo of the past decades that prevents people in the gaza and west bank from having food electricity and freedom while the are partying on the Israeli side.
condemn Israel for destrroying all the political faction in Palestine in the pasts while making sure Hamas lived on...makes for a great bad guy to justify the shit above.
condemn all of this so what is happening now does not because of this ... the past will resurface like a drowned body. Israel is killing jews around the world by making themselves follow the ethno state types of regime and the religious state type of regime.
its hard for non Judaic believer to feel accepted by a ethno religion and feel that one day i will not become a ''PAlestinian'' to someone.
hate to say butr in the past, Israeli partied at the death of Palestinian, civilian targets from school hospitals and others have been targeted not to mention the palewstinian children in actual jails.
also, people in Gaza and the west bank having been in embargo of everything since forever as made them realise they are going to die at the hand of Israel no matter what while the other side is enjoying a music party of those who also hopenly claim that Palestinians should all die.
i am torn at this, as Palestinians are called animals and are treated as such wich should make the Israeli...animals?
and then, not being a religious believer, would the Palestinians as Muslim treat me as well ?
this is sad but, wich evil is the lesser one between Palestine and Israel ?
death toll of civilians for the past several decades says that Palestinioan are the lesser ones ... Most Muslim nation like the Saudi who are the religious equal to ISIS and AlQuaeda dont support the Palestinians as the Palestinians seems less orthodox(wich is good) but Israel as open relationship with the Saudi ????
help me out here.
@@johnc3525 Sure. I'm Israeli, and I don't see how depriving Palestinian civilians of electricity and water is going to help fight Hamas, who probably have special access to whatever they need through sources that aren't available to the rest of Gaza's population. It's just hurting the general population to punish them for something Hamas did, and that's wrong.
But the problem with the response from the so called "left" in the west is not a lack of criticism of Israel, it's the celebration of Hamas death squads gunning down families, raping women, decapitating babies and kidnapping scores of people. There is enough condemnation of Israel from the western left, to the point of dehumanizing Israelis and Jews. Cheering for the mass murder of people due to the circumstances of their birth is not a very leftist position. This is something that needs to be addressed before resuming the standard leftist talking points.
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” a saying by Gandhi. A VERY wise man. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Still good idea to gouge eyes out of someone who wants to kill your grandchildren
Not wise at all. You have to face evil, fight it and annihilate it.
Gandhi wrote love letters to Hitler trying to stop WW2.
It doesnt work.
Evil only understands brutal force.
Who slept with his 14 year old niece and when worked as a lawyer refused to work with anyone other than Hindu ppl.
Ghandi used to sleep with young girls in his bed to test with him with "temptation" and had Indian supremacist views about blacks in Africa.
Translation:
Jews should accept being slaughtered and if they fight back then they are in the wrong
I m a muslim, a US democrat supporter(not far left) and i m with you david, on this issue of israel palestine conflict. Hamas must be condemned and brought to justice for their atrocious act. Israel must exist and has the right to defend itself. Palestine should learn to be good neighbors so that they can come together and stop those piece of shit groups like hamas.
You are a muslim and you support men cutting off their junks and saying "im a woman!"? You are not a muslim you lying piece of pig filth.
You are so right. I retired from working at synagogue a couple. Of years ago. I am a protestant Democrat but I Always felt a bit of a target. Especially after Tree of life shooting because I'm also in Pittsburgh. No one on this planet should be cheering this. I noticed no one saying how many have died And will continue to die in Gaza because of this attack. I don't even give Republicans the time of day anymore. Their thoughts are deranged and dangerous for the most part..
I agree with your comments about Republicans. But how deranged and dangerous is it for a US president to give Israel his full and unqualified support - I mean it's virtually cheerleading at this point - even as Israel is in the middle of committing war crimes against the Palestinian people? The lunacy is not all on one side.
@@mattcast44You have to chose sides as a president at that exact moment. Diplomacy comes later...
But are you really offended by chosing the opposite site of the countries and organisations which also want to see the US destroyed?
Come on...!
COre of the audience is here!
@@marcomobson I disagree with the premise that a president must "choose sides". But either way, surely that support must be nuanced when the "side" you are supporting is threatening to commit and almost certainly actually committing war crimes?
@@marcomobson Fun fact -- diplomacy will not come. Not now. Not later. Not ever. The Palestinians will never be treated in a manner that will be conducive to peace.
My heart breaks for all the victims in this terrible situation.
65 years imprisonment of the entire Palestinians population in their own land by the Israel is totally inhumane. Israel continuios illegal land grab from Palestinians are out right criminal acts. How would any country would like to switch places to live as Palestinians under Israeli control and oppression for 65 years? These problems can't be solved thru oppression and war, it will only fuel more hate and revenge.
I guess I'm a "core audience" member, but I completely agree with you David. All sides should be disgusted by this attack. Truly tragic we're in for a needless war of death now.
To find a peaceful resolution, we need to understand why Palestine is doing what it is doing? And why Israel is doing what is doing?
I personally don't follow Palestine-Israel conflict.
David really being the voice of reason 👏🏻! Thank you David, it desperately needed to be said!
You are correct. There is no way to justify this barbaric attack on ordinary people, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.
On either side.
Funny how it's only now that "innocent ordinary people" are a factor, but not for the last two decades of slow genocide through apartheid and expropriation of land, not to mention the many killings, rapes, and jailing of Palestinians.
It's not that we on the left think people should die on either side. We just understand that any people can be pushed to armed resistance.
Absolutely
People think the political spectrum covers everything when it's very limited. Having your position determined by whether you are left or right wing is about as relevant as having your position determined by whether you are left or right handed
Thank you for your voice on this David! It is so disappointing to see people on the left defend and excuse these attacks.
I would never cheer for what Hamas did, but I certainly understand it. It is sickening to see you arrogant neoliberals (who dare to call yourselves progressives) take the moral high road when you guys have NEVER acknowledged the repeated atrocities committed by the Israelis against the Palestinians for years and years. There is nothing moral about turning a blind eye to it and then pretending that what Hamas did was "unprovoked."
Not defending the attacks... I am against the narrative starting at "Hamas brutally attacks 700+ Israeli's"... Context is important, especially when that context includes a decades long apartheid system with human rights violations, forced removal from land by choking out supplies, water and electricity, and , I would argue , a slow and steady, continuous genocide. I can repudiate the Israeli government AND Hamas and that doesn't make me some left wing nut... To understand this attack you must give it the context that led to this point... again, that doesn't mean supporting the Hamas attack, it means placing blame on the Israeli government AS WELL for creating the unbearable environment and conditions that make radicals go to these extremes
@@jackwilliamketterer8908 Also, not defending the carnage on civilians. But, Israeli government, what did you think might happen. People not get angry and want to fight against your oppression in whatever desperate - horrifying - way?
It's crazy. Even my cousins were saying that it was provoked because of 16 years of opposition and human rights violations by Israel. These cousins are also Jewish. I am disgusted by the killings of the Israeli citizens.
@@adipsouswhat did we think might happen? Not this. The manner in which Hamas attacked and brutalised innocents cannot be justified at all.
And I say this with full acknowledgment of the history between Palestine and Israel and the large number of Palestinian casualties. Say what you will of IDF, this is a whole nother level of evil.
Yes. We are with you on this David. Shame on anyone cheering about this.
David, I am a far left progressive and I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you.
As someone who rarely comments anything, yes, I believe most of us hold a sane position.
I am a progressive and I am appalled by the violence leveled at the innocent people of Israel by Hamas
Agreed. I am also disgusted by the Israeli government continuing and escalating group punishment for millions of people in an apartheid state. Palestinians are people. The Israeli government is treating the entire populace as the enemy and less than human. Yes, Hamas should be held accountable. But that doesn’t mean the entirely of the Palestinian people should be denied electricity, water and food while bombing with jets. The whole dynamic needs to change or tragedy will continue. One war crime by one side doesn’t excuse war crimes by the other side.
I am appalled by the atrocities committed by the Israeli government towards the Palestinian people. Israel has been crushing the human spirit for decades and it's ok with Americans. Palestinian people throw rocks and communities are bulldozed. They claim to be God's children while using that to do ungodly things. And the US government sanctions anything they do. Israel is not our friend. They are a self-serving nation only.
@@brianmccollaum5489man you speak straight facts!
I'm appalled by both. I think people would be too if they also saw what Israeli government is doing to Palestinians and have been for decades but isn't reported enough or at all.
I condemn what Hamas has done but i do sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians but there is a time and place to criticize the Israeli government for their role in the conflict
I am a progressive Democratic socialist. And i agree with you 💯
Me too!
Same!
You so called Socialists sure love ripping the benefits of living in a democracy
It doesn’t help that the US moved our embassy to Jerusalem. Jerusalem should be an international city enforced by United Nations.
why?
Should be an international city?..lol
You mean 45,and Jared, moved embassy.
@@dizzle1119 Jerusalem is a major religious site for 3 religions. Christian, Muslim & Jewish. Israel block Muslims in many cases from visiting their holy sites. Giving the UN ruling over that single city would make it’s access more fair.
@@micheleconner5083 Sadly, yes & they got personal concessions - meaning $$. That also makes it tough for a monitor of 3 major religions saying it’s their religious site, not just Jewish & Christian, but also Muslims.
I am both pro Palestinian and pro Israeli. As leftists we are supposed to be for peace, democracy, and self-determination. We need to be supporting the ones seeking peace, not those seeking power through violence. Whether the solution is two separate states, or one state where everyone has full equality and freedom, only the people of Israel and Palestine can decide.
Which, they haven't been able to do.... ever!
@@BlondieSLbut does that mean they shouldn't continue to work and hope for peace?
which of course is why David, as a true progressive and leftist, last covered the occupation of the west bank over 2 years ago. you know because he's a real one.
@@swfcocs1 Did I say that?
DO NOT try to put words into my mouth!
Read comments and accept them as posted.
Stop trying to read crap into everything people say! THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM in the world!!
@@BlondieSL jesus calm down,if you misread my comment as some kind of attack I apologise but your comment did read as definitive. I took it as implying peace is pretty much impossible hence my comment
We stand with Israel for ever !!! 🙏🏾🇮🇱❤️
thank you , David. This is why I watch your videos. Standing up for accountability and truth from all sides, seeing the big picture
As a progressive I'm appalled by the murder/slaughter of civilians and women and children of any ethnicity or religion. I think this is a call for serious talks of ending this waste of human beings. The late Michael Brooks once explained what has to happen to end this. Let me say it again, MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IS NEVER PERMISSIBLE. 🙏
Michael Brooks was a fool.
No. But Israel is a criminal, and parasitic state which gets free donations from most Western "democracies"... "Hamas" should take care of every single person who has parasitic talmudic blood in them.
Never permissible? Then where were you all the times innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were murdered?
@@allenstewart517 I've been an advocate for Palestinian rights for over 40yrs. Living in the world's largest open air prison repulses me. That is not what this comment was about. Reread my comment please , it's about the murder of innocent people regardless of who they are PERIOD
@@kazilziya830
so do you denounce biden for sending a carrier group to make sure palestine has no chance to defend itself?
do you denounce whites for giving zelenski and his orcs all the weapons he wants but refusing to provide palestine the weapons it so desperately needs to defend itself from the brutal invader? are you calling for bds or at least participating in it?
as a brown person i've leaned not to trust in white liberals.
Exactly right! It's been harrowing to see not only the attack, but the reactions to it. A truly heartbreaking sequence of events.
Thank you so much for this video David, it has been some really dark days, and it's means so much finally seeing someone talking about it sanely❤
75 years of massacres, Israeli soldiers executed Palestinians in the streets, pushed them out of their homes, for 75 years. I condemn the civilian casualties, but not the attack as a whole.
Their salvos in this "offensive" were literally just them committing mass amounts of crimes against humanity. Israel has also never shot anyone execution-style in the streets. They have oppressed the Palestinian people, yes. But since the 1980s, they've not deliberately attacked civilian targets (there are a few cases where this is questionable), they don't torture or rape their captives, and they don't kidnap innocent civilians en masse. This is NOT the same. Stop with the false equivalencies. This is barbaric.
@@willsofer3679 thank you for speaking up. Too many on the Left are falling for these Lies.
I am a human being. I can never advocate for any violence towards or murder of any innocents, irregardless of nationality or political party. - “For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal." John Fitzgerald Kennedy 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
There is so much wisdom and merit from David on the aftermath of these terroristic acts. Having been able to travel and learn in Israel, seeking to understand the Israeli/Palestinian dynamic, I am glad to hear someone share a realistic, humanitarian, and consistent moral/ethical view of this conflict.
If he were truly moral he would have devoted at least a few of his shows over the years to the inhumanity of the Israelis' treatment of the Palestinians that has been ongoing for decades. He is nothing but a sheeple/apologist for the corrupt, corporate-owned, warmongering, hypocritical, do-nothing Democrats.
He has a lot of wisdom for someone so young.
I am an independent and I completely agree with you, David. I 100% condemn this and horrified by the hatred in this world!!
Both sides need to be held accountable for civilian deaths period
a civilian who is living and partying on occupied land is a legitimate target. yeah. if you're a colonizer, you dont get to complain when the people you are colonizing fight back.
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@@sabin97Babies are colonizers?
@@sabin97You are deranged you actual animal.
@@sabin97Colonizers? You're in desperate need of a history lesson... modern history, not ancient history.
Thank you SIR for saying what needs to be said.
David, as a long-term follower I can appreciate the strong moral stand you're taking in this episode. Thanks for bringing clarity and humanity to this horrific situation. It's mind-boggling that people would gather to cheer carnage of random people and families. 😔
Brilliant show, David. Lots to think about there. Praying for all who are touched by this tragedy.
By comparison former Pres tr** took to the airwaves to discuss the attacks by hummus (not a misspelling) on the Jews.
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@@cathieludemann5879😂Lol, at least you made us laugh. He may have done that on purpose too. You know he always gives nicknames.😏
@@geng8667 Anything is possible, although I was watching, and tr*** didn't hesitate as he often does, to wait for applause or laughter.
I completely agree with you David. I’m a republican and I think it’s terrible that this terrorist attack would be politicized or celebrated.
Except the whole thing was political when they started to wage this war against Palestine in 1947.
I understand republicans hate history, because it exposes their bigoted ideals, but you'll never know the truth of how things are the way they are until you have the courage to read the history and learn what's actually happening.
Before 1947, Jews, Muslims, and Christians all lived together in Palestine in relative peace for centuries.
I'm a Democrat and this time I have to say the people demonstrating for Hamas make me absolutely sick. What some GOP are saying is also annoying, but to me not quite as bad.
It's a defensive retaliation. The terrorist attacks are being carried out by Israel.
@@thatguy8869 Yeah I have to honestly say MAGA blaming Biden is hilarious, but not disgusting. But celebrating the rape and murder of children and chanting "gas the Jews" is definitely disgusting. However, the GOP is also disgusting for supporting the IDF's numerous war crimes and atrocities, and let's not forget some GOP members called for genocide against Gazans.
The Israeli nation celebrates every time they kill Palestinians. This didn’t new at all, just because the Arabic ppl did it and not the Jewish, everyone is mad as hell now?….
Tankies were never voting for the Democratic party anyway, so like in 2016, we now know who these people are.
I’ve been so irritated for almost 10 years now that leftists is an umbrella term and regular ass democrat voters are forced to adopt Marxist activist behavior and ideology as their own.
I'm honestly about ready to unsubscribe from half of the progressive channels I follow. A lot of them are engaging in apologia for Hamas, and trying to outright blame Israel. Democracy Now, The Rational National, the Humanist Report, the Leftist Mafia, etc. Thankfully, David, TYT, and Farron Cousins are not drinking the tankie kool-aid.
I’ve been confused and disappointed lately, seeing left-wing people defending the attack.
But you laid it out perfectly here. Thank you
Where are you seeing left wing people defending the attack..? Apart from those couple of small examples David showed...I haven’t seen or heard anyone defending the Hamas attacks. 🤷♂️
What's confusing? You ally yourself with the worst of humanity and always have.
@@papawheelie5576 The irony of a magat calling others the worst of humanity is neverending.
Leftists going mask off.
That’s because regular ass democrat centrist leftists are NOT the same thing as the ideologically captured Marxist activists. I’ve been waiting to see this come to a head since Bernie sanders. I’ve been deep in his campaign trail and saw the blooming antisemitism for years.
Thank you for this detailed explanation of this horrific event. It’s difficult to wrap my mind around anyone cheering about the atrocities.
Well put David. As always, a calm and sensible response to the crazy.
"These right wingers deserve almost none of our time." Meanwhile every second of your life, every penny you make, is because they exist. That can't be good for your mental health my dude.
I agree. They need to just stop existing, then we can finally be happy.
@@communistkirikostop being a radical nihilist who lives perpetually online. Go outside. Hug your neighbor.
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Maybe I would be more inclined to go outside, if I didn't live in America, where I have a good chance of getting shot for no reason.
Hi Dave. Many years ago my dad gave me "The Case Against Adolf Eichmann" to read. It stunned me, appalled and traumatized me, for the next thirty years I was an unapologetic Zionist (I am an atheist btw). Time moved on, I learned to think critically and the facts began to jar on me. Was Israel really fighting for her existence anymore, or was she forever expanding borders that she did not declare. I am no supporter of hate, I hope I support the words of MLK which paraphrase; only love can drive out hate. I live, like you, in a country where all religions live in peace. You skip a little over the hate Israel bears her non Jewish population, not all Israelis are so but they did elect a far right fascist government. Israel has lost her way, maybe her soul and I mourn this. I care for the victims, feel for the families, but until both sides forswear hate, there is little can do but watch in horror as both side go about the business of murder. Kia Kaha te aroha nui.
Maybe because non Jewish populations have persecuted them throughout history and now they dont trust anyone who hasnt proven beyond a doubt they can be trusted .
I agree with much of what you say here, except that it must be remembered that Israel is a parliamentary system where the head of state is elected internal to the Knesset based on coalition building. Netanyahu is a very astute politician and has made a faustian pact with the ultra religious and settler communities, but there are still many, many Israelis that have protested his power grab.
@@j.r.kropsky3509 Thanks for that, I agree with your correction.
You can condemn the attack on Israel without constraint. It was barbaric. No 'ifs', no 'buts'. But you also have to acknowlege that people in Gaza and on the West Bank are in virtual prison camps and many live with this kind of terror every day. It is the most perverse irony that the children of the victims of the haulocast are now agents of their own deadly oppression.
No “buts”, followed up with a “but”…
@@bonniemchugh7443yeah that wasn’t well thought out 🤦♂️
Hey dumbass, you just did exactly what you said wasn’t good to do here
Definitely not prison camps if they can get missiles and guns into the area. The problem is these people are simple minded and aggressive, if they focused on been productive they would have a good society.
@@bonniemchugh7443 That's right. Good pick up. No 'ifs' or 'buts' on the attack, BUT if you want to get to the bottom of why, don't ignore the context.