Ohio State: Looming questions with Buckeyes stuck in purgatory after losing The Game
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- The Buckeyes have to wait all week to find out their fate after getting blown out in the second half of the regular-season finale against rival Michigan. Can Ohio State get enough help to sneak back into the College Football Playoff, or will the program need to start making plans already for 2023 instead?
Bill Landis and Austin Ward ask the questions looming over Ohio State this week in Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2022 episode of THE Podcast Daily.
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Questions:
1. Why doesn't the quarterback run? Fear? Coached not to run?
2. Loved Michigan's trick play. When was the last time Ohio had one?
3. Why don't any reporters ask real questions at Ryan Day's press conferences?
A coach would never tell you to not run
@@rayserifi8683, then fear?
@@craigphillips7258 maybe? Maybe he was already planning for the NFL? His first ever college play was a huge 70 yard TD run. He has it in him in his legs, just not between his ears.
@@rayserifi8683, couldn't agree more. So with that in mind, did Day do everybody a disservice by playing someone who was more concerned with the future than the present?
This rivalry, being back to where it was when I was growing up in 80's and 90's, is the best thing for college football, period. Go Blue! Not rubbing it in.
Let’s face it, Michigan has figured out Ryan days offense. He only did well against don brown. Last year Mike Macdonald locked up his offense and Jesse Minter did the same thing this year. As long as Minter is at Michigan and Ryan day is calling the plays, Michigan is going to continue to dominate! Michigan coordinators are coaching circles around Day.
I propose taking a new look at the situation of Michigan and Ohio for the last 20 years Michigan has been in transition ever since Lloyd Carr retired. Meanwhile Ohio State continue to chug along getting bigger get better getting the top recruits Michigan has been through what three coaches Rich Rodriguez Brady Hoke now Jim harbaugh. During that time the team has had no identity whatsoever with Rodriguez wanting to tear the team down and running a spread option offense kind of like Oregon or army. Brady Hoke had no clue what he was doing. And it took JH 4-5 years to finally settle on what he was gonna do. Which is mimick his pro coach brother John Harbaugh and built a power 5 defense while running it down the throat on offense. Ohio State didn't get weaker. Michigan caught up and passed the buckeyes. Ohio state use to scare Michigan the last 20 years. There not scared anymore. That's the problem.
This is all on Day. He refuses to coach players hard and sometimes hurt feelings, to get the best from players. We have no dbs and Day refused to use the portal , he told Mick to lighten up on the team workouts. If Day's stubbornness or ego don't change he won't be here in couple seasons.
Half of what you wrote isn’t even true lol
You have no clue what he does but if you do too much transfer here we go lol dumb ass be lucky we have a coach like that and Also he has a good quarterback next year
Who is going to win every season genus
He needs to go sacked he is a rookie
@@jrparker4804 idiotic
Ward your absolutely right. Offense lost this game. Stroud had all day to throw. Nobody open. Field goals last several games allowing teams to hang around and have to pull it out in fourth quarter. Day promised for two years things will get fixed. They have not. They got worse
I believe no receivers were getting open because the defensive backs never had to take their eyes and therefore hands off of the receivers because there was no threat of the quarterback running for free yards to be had.
I believe that the Michigan defense was better than the ohio state offense... disagree??? L...L....L........L
I agree with Austin 100% the defense was on the field too long
I think I read Ohio State is 0 - 6 against top ten teams in Columbus. Another thing is Ryan Day isn’t from Ohio. Tressel and Meyer were from Ohio they knew what this means.
@@D_Shep343 actually Michigan played a lot of zone bracketed outside wr and zone players kept eyes on and read Qb
It was like he was so worried and consumed with not losing, that it bit him in the ass in the end. Took no downfield shots to MHJ. Punting at inopportune times. Because we started out on fire. And then he seemed to have gotten scared
@LindzBreezyOH! Keep your head up. We have great weather all year round here in SoCal...even on New Year's Day! You'll enjoy L.A. again like you did last year at The Rose Bowl. Get used to it. Go Blue!
He looked good on T.V.
Here's more negative fallout from the game..... Two recruits who made visits to Ohio State on Saturday for the Michigan game have committed to the Wolverines since the game ended. Both players are from Ohio. “(Ohio State) did this to all of the in-state (recruits). They put us on the back burner and will wait until the last second because they think they have us committed there if they offer, which I think is totally stupid. That is not how that works at all,” Hamilton told Mark Perez-Krywany of the Morning Journal. “I’ve talked to linemen all around Cleveland and people that I know and they all feel the same way. … I think Ohio State is taking too long and I don’t think they are doing it right.”
In contrast, Hamilton said he felt at home in Michigan from the start.
“At Michigan, I always feel like I am at home. Even before I got the offer, I always felt like I was at home,” Hamilton said. “Going to Ohio State, I was kind of on edge on whether they were going to treat me good or they were going to treat me bad. As soon as I walked in the door, I could tell that there was not good energy.”
Just as worrying for Ohio State is that Hamilton was not the only Ohio-based recruit to commit to Michigan in light of Saturday’s game.
This is certainly a marked change from where things were not that long ago. In fact, Urban Meyer had been critical of Michigan’s lack of effort in Ohio, noting that the Buckeyes essentially monopolized top recruits in the state. Perhaps Ohio State got lazy after Meyer’s departure, or Jim Harbaugh bolstered his efforts. Maybe it is a combination of both, but the result is not great for the Buckeyes.
Personally, I have already dealt with this loss and I am going to stay positive. I just want our guys to do the same and regroup.
I am concerned about recruiting, and possibly losing some of our better players to the portal. The coaches have to redouble their efforts immediately in recruiting, invest time with the prospective recruits, really roll out the red carpet, keep a positive attitude, and let them know they can help turn this around. Same with retaining good players, who are feeling down right now.
OSU fans had better be concerned about recruiting...because they sure as hell can't coach.
I’m concerned about losing players to the portal also especially on the defensive line , the rotations made no sense this year.
@Bill Field The young didn’t live through the Cooper years.
Right on man! Wolverine fans have endured 2 decades of OSU dominance and as much as I hated to lose to you guys, I always rooted for Big 10 teams in the bowl/playoff games, even for the Buckeyes! Michigan and OSU need each other and college football needs our rivalry! We can't wait for your guys to come to Ann Arbor next fall! Now go out there and kick some azz in a bowl game!!!
@@bradleyforrester5757 you have a very mature attitude there are too many people that take this way too serious and personal. It’s not as if your life changes depending on whether your favorite team wins or loses. Utilities still have to be paid and food put on the table. I wish the wolverines luck and hope they represent the B1G well.
After the game I was steadfast in not wanting to make the playoff. After reflection I totally want it . Even if they were to be beat by Michigan again. I have zero expectations of the team now and I couldn’t possibly feel worse then Saturday.
The only thing I want is to play Michigan again. As an Ohio State fan, we should be rooting for them to be #1 and us at #4 in the final rankings.
@@christiankeen5776 You're going to get Mich again...next year in the big house...and you're going down again. The pendulum has swung.
@@garyrentschler6082we’ll see. Winning 15-16 wasn’t fun anymore.
@@christiankeen5776no you want that meeting in the championship game as it shuts the effin SEC up.
after watching the all-22 I truly believe it was our offense that let us down. They could not score in the 2nd half at all. The defense gambled and lost on 5 plays but they were not pushed around and driven on like last year. The defense gave enough stops to give the offense enough opportunity put it away and they squandered it. I feel like the offense just thinks they can waste drives b/c "eventually it will get going" and it never did.
This offense is built to pile up stats between the 30s. Once the field shrinks it's field goal time!
Yeah because they crowded the box. The minute they backed the safeties off Michigan marched down the field on an 8 minute drive.
You got beat by a better "TEAM". It's not all about 5 star's.
The game would have been different if OSU cashed in on offense? Sure, we would have won 59-52. Defense is horrible and we are in desperate need of quality DB's. That needs to be an emphasis going forward as well. If Michigan was looking for fish in the secondary on Saturday, they had a stocked pond from Wildlife and Fisheries.
My question for the defense is, "why not have the DBs make plays on the ball too instead of playing the man?" I saw us get a pass breakup against Maryland when we made plays on the ball. Why didn't we do that against Michigan?
Because they were no where the receivers!
Now y’all can’t just automatically assume that you will be a playoff team. Enough arrogance. Be humble. Take Michigan seriously, home or away.
Ohio State is basically getting a bye week while all the other teams have to go play a game. It gives them time to get healthy and avoid further injury if they do in fact make the playoffs. It may seem weird, but it’s really a benefit to them. And the idea that they don’t deserve it because they played one bad half of football against one of the best teams in he country is ridiculous. The pity party needs to end.
Thank You if u ask me all this talk about the players are SOFT seems to me like the fans are totally soft and still crying . Quit being spoiled and move on we should be embracing another shot at the team we lost to!
Bro 1 of those long TDs was a missed tackle by Cam Brown. One of our best DB. And he was playing off coverage. The other Long TD was a double move because no one got home.
Totally agree!! It is so refreshing to read a sound knowlegeable take on what actually happened. Thank you
It wasn't just the missed tackle it was bad technique. He was positioned wrong. He needed to concede the first down and keep the play in front of him. He didn't use the sideline effectively which gave the receiver enough room to make a play. That first down isn't a disaster and you live to fight another day.
I saw Michigan wide receivers open with 15 to 20 yards of field between them and the osu defenders.....I saw Michigan running backs run down field for 75 yards untouched....I saw jj Mccarthy run from 10 yards out with 4 blockers against 2 or 3 defenders hoping to get him before he crossed the goal line.....in other words this was the worst coaching performance I've ever seen
Ryan Day is in a Red Sea moment with Henderson about to transfer and Kids decomiting. Fans need to stop harassing these players !
Buckeye fans cause more harm to the program than they realize.
Why didn’t the Offense put it away in the first half? Why didn’t the Offense show up in the second half?
Michigan fan here, OSU has a Fantastic Football team. There is NO shame in being the 2nd best team in the Big Ten … no shame
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Really: I thought Ohio state 🏈 owns the big ten 🏈 laugh laugh three straight victories over ohio states 🏈
Michigan figured out the Jim Knowles was predictable
The Buckeye's personnel are questionable, particularly the defensive backs. Last year was actually better defense than the Knowles edition, especially against Michigan.
@@fitfrog65 the stats don’t support it that.
@@TheBBear86 I don't have that stats but if you remove the Rose Bowl my guess is that last year was marginally better. The five games prior to the Michigan game, 2021, were actually good defense. The Michigan loss Saturday was a total defensive melt down, far worse than 2021.
Bottom line, our offense was predictable and our defense was predictable...Ohio St. has the better talented players but they were out coached....🤔
I would love to have an offseason episode that talked more about the portal. For instance, dual threat qb perhaps? Just a thought
devin brown could be that guy but perhaps some competition for him would be good
I agree! That’s 1 of the major items we are missing!! You might laugh at me for saying this but I would like to see Ohio State go get that QB out of Toledo! He can pass and run! Maybe it’s as crazy as it sounds but that guy has great potential
How about Parker Fleming? Guy makes like $400k a year to coach special teams and it’s been a weakness all year. Plus look at the “fake punt” against UM.
The Buckeyes are better than undefeated TCU
Michigan won the line of scrimmage on both sides of the line.
They clearly didn't in the first half.
@@RM-ed1if over length of the game they did
@@allensaunders449 again, not in the first half. What 10 yards rushing to 124 yards? Time of possession 11 minutes to 19? Sorry, but the actual facts say it wasn't the "entire" game. Nice attempt at spin on your part though.
And not even then, at least offensively. The michigan offensive line made TWO good blocks for the touchdowns but nothing else. Where were the 7, 8, 9 yrd runs? Where were the 5 seconds clean in the pocket?
Yea Ohio state controlled both lines of scrimmage in the first half then made huge mistakes in the second half lol …that’s why Ohio state funds are lost about the loss …
I truly believe Jim Knowles will get a handle on this defense once he gets his recruits on the field. I also see Knowles as super intelligent and will conform to a defense that is super effective in the Big 10. However, that performance Saturday was horrible. Knowing the lack of talent we have in the secondary, the lack of actual sacks we've had all year aginst any style qb, AND knowing your opponent has a mobile QB and fast enough WR's. What were you thinking? Especially after getting burnt the 1st time. People at the game said the Mich wr's were open the entire game, a high school qb could have completed a pass. Can someone ask him that question?
What has been so frustrating is that I can find numerous times over the last few years where I basically advocated for OSU playing this style of defense. The reason was because of their offensive efficiency and strengths. This year, those all disappeared and they did they opposite of what is complementary to this style. The entire philosophy here on defense is, "hey, we are comfortable getting into a shootout with you, but we are going to stall out enough drives that at the end of this high scoring game, the offense did better against their defense than their offense did against OSUs." The emphasis on field position on offense this year was staggering IMO. Maybe I'm just not remembering things well, but they used to be very, very aggressive on 4th down. Now, it looks like Day cant wait to punt. Punt for WHAT? the defense is built to be all or nothing. This LESSENS the impact of field position. Donovan Edwards TDs are TDs. 12yards, 52 yards, 92 yards. Doesn't matter. The goal with this defense is simply to allow the dynamic offense to go win the games. Do we realize how much of an advantage it is as a playcaller to be hyperaggressive on 4th down? It opens up the playbook so much more on early downs. This year, it felt like they were constantly desperate to get back "on schedule." It made 0 sense.
Also, the personnel decisions everywhere on the field were horrible. There is a very, very simple rule of thumb that coaches should live by when thinking about who to play or what to do. What does the other team NOT want me to do? How do you guys think Michigan feels about Marvin Harrison JR coming off the field on 4th and 1 for Mitch Rossi? They feel FAN FREAKING TASTIC about it. I promise. How does the other team feel when Mike Hall leaves the field. They feel pretty good about it. The offensive scheme this year has been horrible. I'm not sure if Justin Frye and Ryan day forgot they aren't at Boston college anymore or what, but they run the ball WAY too much. IDC what anyone says. The Chiefs, the Bills, the Dolphins, ect ALL throw the ball like 15% more than Ohio State. Ohio State should throw the ball 55-60% of the time in competitive games for a LOT of reasons. Ohio State is built to throw the ball. They recruit elite passer and pass catchers, this year it was pretty clear to me that the line as a whole was much better in pass pro. It isolates these elite talents. This is another key point. Ohio State's advantages come in talent, ability, skill, ect. This is the case. Being tough is great. They need to be tough. Trying to make your identity this tough guy mentality isn't necessary or needed because it simply isn't where the edge lies. Ohio State gets physically unique players. Players that move ways that other guys dont move, that do things other players cannot do. Do you know what isn't super hard to do as a 3 star recruit at a big ten school? Get really freaking strong and be a tough guy. You know what isn't? Being 6'2 220 and running in the 4.3s with freaky skills. Ohio State has THOSE guys. The 320 pound lineman on Michigan's roster can be just as strong as Paris Johnson. That is like the easiest thing. Why are we asking these sports cars to become cement mixers? Everyone WANTS sports cars! They just can't get them so they work with what they have. go drive CIRCLES around these teams and stop trying to bend the knee to become the program that people that still have the VHS tape of the 2002 game on repeat in their man cave want you to be.
Last year Michigan beat Ohio with their bulldozers and this year they added their sports cars.
Well said !
Your analysis is perfect and should be brought to the attention of the OSU coaching staff because evidently they are ignorant of the issues that have to be addressed. I so sincerely hope that these concerns are addressed during the off season and taken to heart. I also do NOT want any part of the CFP final 4. I do not wish to get embarrassed twice in the same season by THEM. It will be bad enough getting another ass kicking in some rinky dink ass bowl game.
Thanks for your accurate analysis. Good luck..and go Bucks.
For those that say Michivan won the line of scrimmage is an untruth. They need to look at the coaches film with someone knowledgeable at breaking down the coacbes film. The defense actually played well. The five big plays were individuals missed tackles or just didnt hit the gaps . The OL gave CJ time. The running game was on point until Miyan was put in hurt.crazy. Tbis falls on Ryan Day and lack of players hunger
The offense was a problem since the bye week...sputter...sputter, spat pow!!! What the hell happened?
I wanted to share something from the “pop pass” play…I’m sitting in my chair in my basement watching the game and having some tasty vittles with my friends…just before the “pop pass” play happened I noticed the way the Tight End was set up in his stance on the line and I knew he was going down field…I started yelling that he was going out for a pass…that’s what they do , they use their Tight Ends on 3rd downs along with throw back screens…and the rest is history…so now I wonder…why wasn’t there a defensive player within 25 yards?…HOW THE HELL DID I KNOW THE TIGHT END WAS GOING DOWNFIELD AND THE OHIO STATE DEFENSIVE STAFF DID NOT KNOW IT! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I don’t think anyone but you figured a linebacker playing RB was going to throw it.
@@kylev.2373 I guess so…the Tight End looked like his stance was set up to allow him to get downfield rather than block…
We need to move past the season ends after the Michigan game. When there is a 12 team playoff the season will actually just beginning. This year would be a great chance to see what needs to be done
It was a good breakdown. The thing ur missing is that house blitzes was a good call . Jj was back peddling throw off his back foot . Where most quarterbacks you do that to their accuracy isn't there he just hit on a nice throw. The dB didn't tackle Cornelius Johnson. He tackles there osu is off the field. Another thing that I noticed going back through the game again was number 44. He didn't have the game that he had against Penn State. Michigan did a nice job in neutralizing him and keeping him quiet throughout the game he had flashes of moments of tackles here and there but he didn't do what I thought he was going to do and be a game changer. As for play calling I think in the first half find a call of good game plan attack on Perimeter attack on those on the edge with your running. The problem I see was once Michigan adjusted to being attacked outside the numbers and on the perimeter with those bubble screens and Edge runs Ryan day did not adjust his play calling style or game plan. Another thing I noticed was Jim Knowles did not anticipate JJ running. I know it's only 27 yards but he picked up 3 1st downs and 1 td. Jim Knowles didn't expect that. Or I believe he would have had some kind of spy on the qb. What u guys are saying has some valid points but I don't think you're giving enough credit to Michigan game planning and execution. You're saying what Ohio State didn't do. maybe they weren't allowed to do it because Michigan wasn't allowing them to do it. 3 points in the 2nd half isn't going to win ball games. Ohio state was out coach to the second half and I don't think you guys are giving in Michigan enough credit for that.
If Day would use the read option, there was some opportunities for Stroud that would have helped open the run game up even more. As it was the Buckeyes still ran for 6 yards a carry.
However, Day didn't want to risk Stroud getting hurt. It just isn't football when your QB never runs. But I guess if Stroud got hurt, then Day would feel bad for ruining the kid's NFL prospects considering his college career is almost over.
Question for Austin, is Treveyon transferring ? All Ohio state stuff removed from his bio
With Treyveon's playing time cut due to injury and him saying earlier this year he really didn't like the playing surface at the shoe...and now him removing all Ohio State from his social media....he's gone
Evan Pryor was gunning for him anyway💯
Hope he comes down to USC. We're going to need a RB next year. Both Dye and Austin Jones are seniors.
The real question is why was he playing with those injuries
@@powerhouse539 THANK YOU!!! Why is nobody asking about how many players we've seen come back from injury to only get more hurt the very next game. that's incredibly worrying to me that our coaching staff is either pushing kids to play or they're not saying no and resting them untill a full recovery. jsn, trey, myain as a few examples. safety/injury should be a priority over everything and it doesn't seem that way at the moment.
No doubt, Ryan Day has to turn the play calling over to someone else. He has to step back and relinquish those duties. Time to be a head coach in all respects. Using an orchestra as a analogy, you can't be a conductor and play an instrument at the same time.
Day can still have override authority 3 or 4 times a game, like Urban did, that should be just enough to let him do a bit of what he enjoys, calling plays. Backing away from the details should help him analyze the flow of the game better and act more quickly when a specific area needs to be addressed. If nothing else, it should resolve some of the clock issues.
He also has to involve himself more on the defensive side and make sure that the overall strategy is still appropriate given what is actually happening on the field. There was no need to continue gambling like we did, all game long, but especially after the first long TD run. That second TD run just made the final score worse.
I think Day is so caught up with having a Heisman winner that he he’ll bent on throwing the ball all over the field keeping his quarterbacks in a blowout game into the 4 th qt as opposed to taking those moments to actually develop back ups. He did this with Fields and now Stroud
Austin you’re so angry it’s clouding you perspective on things. Ala has not won every SEC championship but they’ve been in the playoffs and won. I’d love another shot at Mich
Some perspective.....
Georgia 21:
Dominant #1 team all year
Loses to Alabama yet again (41-24), blame on Kirby for style of football
Backdoors into playoff
Beats Bama for the Natty using same style that didn't work a month earlier.
I think USC and TCU both win but there is a path -
Because michigans defense was ten times better then Ohio states offense. Nothing was changing that.
Dual threat QB would have
I believe most people's problem with OSU making the playoffs is because they know there are bigger problems that won't miraculously get fixed in 3 weeks, and who wants to get embarrassed again. If OSU, both players and coaches played their best game and just lost to Mich, who was the better team that day. Everyone would be screaming playoffs. Nobody wants to see another painful performance.
LAME.
Ohio state could’ve easily scored 30 in the 1st half. Ryan Day needs to get his edge back.
@avonbarksdale91 of course they could've. They could've done that last year also...but didn't.
It seems there is a consensus from the outside that Day should not be calling the plays on offense.
With that in mind, we will see if anything changes.
We could be looking at some coaches leaving.
As far as Knowles, I found him to be like Day. He has one way of doing things. He also fails to adjust.
Oh boy…we could be in for some tough times in the coming years.
Knowles is Don Brown 2.0. Brown had a high risk high reward defense at Michigan. Lots of tackles for loss but big plays when facing more talented teams like OSU or major players. Like OSU Michigan was in top overall categories statistically on the D but couldn't cut it when it mattered. Michigan is now in it's second year of the new system and improved statistically over last year despite losing key impact players. Most importantly they stopped trying to be OSU and formed their own identity. Plus the half time adjustments have been phenomenal. So the staff is showing they can think and analyze.
Easy solution. Recruit ELITE dual threat QBs. That's the equalizer in Ryan Day system.
I agree
Go back to the wishbone, it will work.
Your running QB's always gave us fits at Mich. Now we have a guy who can use his legs, if needed:))
Knowles should have looked at what Illinois defense did vs TTUN and employed that game plan. It was far more effective than the Schismo scheme he used
It was 20 degrees, with 20 mph winds in the Mich-Illinois game. Edward's, Schoonmaker, Henning and two offensive linemen didn't dress. Corum fumbled at the Illinois ten as he got KO'd with the helmet to the knee, before halftime.
They didn't have Corum or Edwards the whole game. They didnt hit the deep shots.
We need DBs who are used to playing at a high level. Cam Brown, Denzel Burke, and Cam Martinez weren't CBs in high school and especially with the younger two I think we're experiencing the growing pains of their transition.
Jordan Hancock & JK JOHNSON need to be our starting corners period…… everyone else jobs should be up for grabs 🤷♂️💯😬
There's problems all across the board
How is the Ohio state loss any different then Georgia losing last season in the sec title game? Teams have off games, I still think we can be a top 4 team
Georgia proved their mettle in the national championship game. The Buckeyes have not proven they have any mettle, only give up.
My point is they got to the national championship game after a blowout loss and were able to “prove their mettle”. It’s tough to be perfect for a full season, as bad as us fans want them to be.
@@aaronmcintire6566 Yes, but that was an ugly loss, I didn't see much mettle in the second half.
@@aaronmcintire6566 they lost in the sec title game to bama not a regular season game. Making it to a conference championship game matters.
I think there is a issue between LJ and Knolls. Which the rotation philosophy probably binding to a degree causing a hindrance
They simply just pushed the defensive aggressiveness got the best of him and against DONOVAN EDWARDS (SO) is A very patient RB and A beast
Many may not be Zach S. fans, but his Patreon level with coaches film is really worth it. He reviews every snap both O and D and discusses what's happening vs what should be happening. Contrary to Twitter opinion, the D played really well expect for 5 plays and the CBs played really well except for 1 missed tackle by Cam B. The Safties didn't play well. On O it was execution and decision making by CJ. Watch Zach's film breakdown if you don't believe me.
The question is this:
If OSU and Michigan meet in the playoffs, and OSU is defeated. Will Ryan Day be fired? What will the state of OSU football be if they lose twice in one season to Michigan?
I can’t say but as a Michigan fan I’d have popcorn ready to watch that nuclear meltdown.
If Ryan Day has so much faith in Kevin Wilson let him call plays, Day's biggest problem is his own lack of head coach experience. You've hired good coaches utilize them. We all knew it will take a few years to get the defense right, we have improved but we're not there yet, let Kevin Wilson call plays, Ryan Day is in a learning process himself, he can see the plays Wilson calls and learn from it. Our secondary still aren't consistant in their game we need better corners or better development, our D-line needs improvement, as does our O-line, Chip, Dallan, and Xavier did run on them, we have talent but they still need to be developed, ttun doesn't have better players than us but they are developed better and coached better. I hope we go to the playoffs, I know we can execute better and when we do we are definitely a playoff caliber team, but only the players can find that intestinal fortitude to prevail, if we don't make the playoffs I would love to play USC in the rose bowl. What Ohio state needs to do in the meantime is practice their ass off, and Day needs to turn the play calling over to Wilson.We're not dead yet, Go Bucks !!! play hard and win.
brian daboll was one of the great offensive coordinators is all the NFL and as soon as he became a head coach he gave up playcalling. even the best know its hard to do both well
Thank you #austinward
That's what I've been talking about since the L. The defensive call was only a problem because the secondary didn't tackle. Tackling is the staple of any defense, it doesn't matter if you don't get them on the ground. Cam brown makes that tackle it's 4th down, punt. Or even if they get the 1st down because he stretches, it's still a 65yds from the TD. Tackling was HORRIBLE in that game, period! The form needs to be changed/practiced or something. Whoever teaches Tackling needs to fix it!
Whatttttttttt. You honestly said out of your mouth that it would better to not play for a championship. Come on man seriously
The demands of a HC at a program such as OSU are too great to wear both hats.
As a lifelong Buckeyes fan, living in Alabama, I’ve observed Saban fairly closely. He essentially sees himself as coach to the coaches AND the players.
By not calling plays, he’s free to coach coaches and players THROUGH the game and being the “thermostat”, not just the “thermometer” on the sideline.
Over the years, there have been times in games where he absolutely took control of his team and made championship winning moves (e.g., replacing championship QB Hurts for little known [at the time] Tua … an ABSOLUTELY “BALLSIE” move…in a championship game. He’s able to make such a call by having a great “feel” for his team in that game.
At a lesser program [by necessity or desire], maybe someone can succeed wearing both hats. But at this level, attempt at your peril.
Due to his lack of HCing experience, he’s just now figuring this out.
Buckeyes do not deserve to be in the playoffs no matter how it works out.
see you in the play-off's m*ichigan. Make sure jim is wearing is lucky khaki pants. he is gonna need them.
They planted a flag on the block O.
To me this is on the coaches and defense . The offensive can't be forced to outscore everyone. Sometimes the defense has to step up. They didn't. The big 10 is not good offensively. Gives a false impression that state's defense is good. If they were going against pac 12 quarterbacks and offenses this season they would look bad very often
23 points hasn’t won an OSU Michigan game since 2002 lol
@@jamesgilmore2930 doesn't mean it can't USC a high powered offense. Had two games this year where the offense scored under 20, won both. Sometimes your defense needs to bail you out. My guess is if you give up 45, points you don't win many of these games either. Play tough defense start a new trend
It was definitely on the offense. 23 points with 500 yards. The redzone inefficiency needs to be figured out.
If he keeps calling plays they will lose to Michigan everytime. Cooper 2.0
Heat of the moment...Please stop talking about the payoffs! This team is NOT prepared for this!, they will most likely lose the bowl game that they are GIVEN... SAD
nah we have to because like it or not if TCU or USC lose then we are in, its very realistic and has happened at least 3 times before to other teams
The staff knew we only 6 scholarship players at CB when they switched up the scheme ! We didnt entertain any dbs ! Accepted a LB transfer eventhough we had 15 scholarship LBs on roster already and only play 2 at a time with this new scheme
The rivalry is back, I mean we lost 15 of 16, I guess OSU fans forgot this used to be a intense rivalry because they act like it's the end of the world losing 2 straight
Besides, I respect a Buckeye before I respect a Spartan. At least OSU fights our boys team vs team instead of 10 vs 1. And they don't riot and destroy private property after beating us. Class goes a long way.
Imo this is a beginning of another 10 year war
I guess what we've learned here is that average coaching along with always having the best athletes on the field will win you 12 out of every 13 contests.
It's actually really simple, Ohio State lost to the #3 team. Whoever loses will be out and Ohio State will be #4 because they lost to the #3 team. Utah is #11 and Kansas St is #10 so either one loses they lose to a worse team. Usc will actually have 2 loses so, there's that.
There should have been a press conference to start to explain to Buckeye Nation just what happened... if they don't know ... they need to go!
Best 4 teams deserve to be in Playoffs and OSU will likely be one of them. If the team does not want to participate in the playoffs, we have a much bigger problem. C'mon red beard.
If all top 4 win in the Conference championship game how are you getting in? You need either TCU or USC to lose. If Georgia or Michigan lose their conference they are still going at this point.
Ohio State is not a "top 4" team.
I highly doubt we make the playoffs. We should stick to the Rose Bowl. We got beat badly (yes I know it was later in the game), but we gave up. Utah only beat USC by 1 so I don't see Utah doing it twice, and I think TCU will pull it off. This playoff is Georgia vs USC and Michigan vs TCU. Looks like we're playing Washington in the rose bowl
Didn't give up.
@@HughMorristheJoker defense did 4th quarter and Edwards ran all over us
We need to have some lockdown Safeties and lockdown TE’s and RB’s have to be stay HEALTHY
Always felt that if you can't win your conference you don't deserve to play for the natty.
I also wish the choosing of positions was based on the win/loss ratio. And if there's a tie, who accumulated the most points throughout the season. Tired of coaches polls and those other polls that determine a school's ranking. Should be based on performance and result. Let's say my Wolverines beat your Buckeyes or vice versa and we both had the same record, right? If your boys accumulated the better ratio/amount of points you should retain your rank regardless of the loss. I never understood the pollings. I always felt it leaves too much room for politics getting in the way.
I'm sure Georgia feels guilty about their natty from last year bc they didn't beat Bama in the SEC title game /s
I disagree. CFB changed. You will want a shot at NC no matter what. UGA and Bama seems to be fine with winning a NC without winning the SEC. With playoffs expanding it's going to happen even more
Hiring a DC from the defensive minded Big 12 (🤣🤣🤣) to beat Michigan was your first mistake.
see you in the play-off's m*ichigan. Make sure jim is wearing is lucky khaki pants. he is gonna need them.
Did any one else notice - lose to M 2 yrs in a row.... Monday University prez.... Gone
I have an idea on your comment Austin about what should they do during this week, well they should get together as a team (coaches & players) and watch scUM play in the B1G Ten Championship and wonder why they aren’t playing in that game.
Great call on Safeties Austin. Ronnie Hickman and Lathan Ranson ain't no Vonn Bell, Malik Hooker, or Jordan Fuller. Ronnie was dreaming of NFL dollars for the whole month of November.
Whether a CFP game or a bowl game, WE have another game to play.
DO NOT make a bad situation worse by another pathetic showing. Take your frustrations out on OUR next opponent! Show up unmotivated, and WE will be embarrassed again. The only thing worse than losing to “lil boys blue”, is losing the following game as well.
I simply ask those players eligible to declare for the draft, do so soonest possible, so those playing get all the reps necessary for the postseason game practice. NEXT MAN UP!
Go Buckeyes!
Look, the defensive game plan was perfect. You have to stop the run. Period. It comes down to personnel. Making stops. All season long this secondary was suspect. It gave up way 2 many big plays. To many 50/50 balls. Blown coverages.
The discussion at about 12:00 might be the nub. The aggressive defense didn't do so well with the conservative offense. Which was necessary as the Offense that was inexplicably not executing that day. Which was then exacerbated by HAVING to execute. Ttun beat us, we beat Miami in 2003. It happens.
Our coaching is bad nobody being developed, soft approach and lastly our media so far off and you guys auger coat everything just be honest we were fools gold and you guys continue to sugarcoat it we just need to be coached better and if these 4-5 year players are not the answer get them young boys in the game like urban use to do we need that urban pedigree
Knowles was overly aggressive, especially when he's leaving safeties like Martinez and Ransom on fast WR's one on one. Our Corners like Brown missing open field tackles hurt. When the blitzing wasn't giving their QB enough pressure and he's throwing the ball to wide open receivers, he needed to adjust. Also when they are running off tackle on big running plays, you have to adjust. he didn't adjust. Also Days Offense has become unpredictable, especially when you don't; have a dual threat QB and are down 2 starting running backs. Also, being down a starting guard (Jones) was not good as well. Big chunk plays were the difference, we didn't do that.
His aggressive approach was due to the neglect on Offense. The offense couldn't cash in and Knowles trust his defense to make a play instead that backfired.
Scott I'm a Michigan fan. Your absolutely right! He was overly aggressive. Come on!! Corum was out and Edwards was carrying the ball with his left hand! Back off a little with so many in the box. Scott you or me could've chucked the ball downfield and connected on some of the long throws...it was crazy to watch.
You want Day to stop calling plays, but blame the defensive co-ord on bad play calling. Who's to blame?
You guys think 4* and 5* talent is going to stick around as long as McCalister to learn Knowles defense??? Exotic schemes are needed when you have inferior talent. Knowles was dealing with 2* and 3* talent at Oklahoma State. We have 4* and 5* talent here. It took Knowles 3 years to implement his defense at osu. This is not a case of "hindsight is 20/20" rather foresight should have been 100%
I just don't get how we as fans can tell you what the play is going to be before it happens on TV, but they don't expect the defense to know after the actually studying it..??? I feel like we played with half our playbook all year long. Which is fine if your great at that half of the playbook but we are obviously not.
I love the what ifs from the Ohio soft university fans lmao
Dawg y’all just now got on our level lol we been whooping y’all for a decade …we are 10-2 in y’all in the past 12 years …welcome to the winner circle ⭕️ homie ….you act like y’all not use to winning lol buckeyes are use to winning and they beat themselves in Ohio this Saturday …Ohio state controlled the first half then made mistakes after mistakes …TIME FOR YALL TO SHOW U CAN BEAT SEC TEAMS LIKE WE HAVE HAVE MICHIGAN GETS WHOOPED BY THEM …OHIO STATE HAS A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AGAINST BAMA , beat Clemson , beat Oregon when they were good ….Michigan fans 2-10 against Ohio state then go get there ass kicked in the play off …HUMBLE YOURSELF
@@rickeychavarria2771 if you want to play that game we can go decade by decade and see how it turns out for your soft ass school.
@@rickeychavarria2771 You're living in the past. Meanwhile, you'll be coming up to the big house next year without Stroud, while Mich is bringing almost everyone back. That probably means 3 straight losses and the pressure only builds on Ohio St. That's HOW streaks get out of hand!!
@@garyrentschler6082 I wouldn't call it the Past. Michigan lost to Georgia last year, an sec team. a 34-11 beatdown and that will happen again this year. Lowest television ratings ever.
@@The_A_A_RON Not the same teams from last year. But with Corum out now, Mich is screwed. Mich had a great shot up to that happening. Life goes on.
The offense does not perform against better teams. The list includes Oregon, Notre Dame, Michigan. Overrated, no toughness or will!
This team doesn’t deserve a playoff spot or isn’t good enough to compete in a playoff spot! So yes they should start planning for the future and who cares about the bowl game they go to doesn’t matter any
Bama beat up UGA in the SEC Championship and made/won the CFP
Exactly the sec CHAMPIONSHIP. Not a regular season game that bars you from the B10 championship game
Yeah,unfortunately our team has found it's self in a weird place right now but I agree I think long term it would be better if our team didn't get into the playoffs this year so we can all just focus on figuring out how to beat *ichigan and making any changes that need to be made...I really don't want to see our team gets smashed by Georgia either...Go Buckeyes!!!
We said that last year. And we match better against georgia then michigan at the moment. Michigan is built to beat us. And im not saying we beat uga but the chance is always there. We can beat anyone on any given day but our secondary is in dire straights. I believe in knolls but combs left our secondary in shambles. Knowles should have zoned up bc JJM is terrible at disecting zone coverage. Anyone can throw to butt naked recievers. I felt the front held up into the fourth minus 2 large runs when the game was decided. But it is what it is. We dont deserve the playoffs that i agree with.
That is how your offense looks against good teams when your quarterback is not a threat to run.
Predictably and running plays the kids aren’t capable of running, the season showed the quick screens aren’t blocked well, try a different type of screen. There was no adaptation to this teams skill set
Austin your perspective sounds a bit bitter. If we end up in playoff, he’ll yeah…bring it on!
We don’t deserve to be in the playoffs period
|Almost no one is going to like what I have to say but here goes anyway. I don’t know if the loss was worse or the reactions from so called Buckeye nation. Geez, grow up some and quit acting like children who had their candy taken away. Michigan has dealt with this for almost 20 years with more grace. What needs to change is simple. Getting it done a bit more complicated. Let me say first we have a GREAT coach and I certainly hope that doesn’t change. But we are paying a steep price for being able to see our team throw it all over the yard. It’s fun to watch when playing teams where they are very outmatched. But think back folks. When we had teams capable of honestly going to the final game and winning we were a run first team who had the ability to throw the ball. We are backassward. We have offensive lineman who don’t have enough composure to keep from being called for illegal procedure or holding when we are in the red zone when it’s most important. Our defense is going to be fine so don’t even think changes need to be made there. We need an offensive line - even if we have to go portal shopping - since all of the seemingly really good ones stay in the south. We don’t need the supposed greatest running back in the country if we fix that offensive line. Hayden is proof. We need to be able to pass only as an option to the offensive strategy. Tell me the last time you saw a national champion win without a running game. All of these receivers coming to town and quarterbacks possibly being pros some day doesn’t do a thing for us when the game gets down and dirty. Out best teams had Zeke and Dobbins running the heck out of the ball but the ONLY reason we won the natty was because JT got hurt and couldn’t play. We could run the ball and found a guy on the bench who could also throw it. But without Zeke, we DON’T WIN! It seems apparent that we aren’t going to get these offensive lineman here in Ohio and the elites stay in the south. We need to go portal shopping. Michigan’s left guard came in from the portal and made their line very solid. It ain’t easy but the recipe is there.
Talented players with that poisonous Texas locker room culture.
Hope for a chance for the Buckeyes to squeeze in as the fourth team in the playoffs. Given this opportunity, I believe they might do well. Last Saturday everything went the wrong way for OSU, while everything went right for TTUN. I still have faith in the Buckeyes. A healthy and learned team as a whole might redeem themselves in the playoffs. Our staffs and players would have less pressure. Just play up to our potential, we might win out! Go Bucks!
They don't deserve to get in
@@certifiedstoner816 they may be one of the 4/5 most deserving lolololol
@@certifiedstoner816 Because they played one bad half of football against the likely #2 team in the country?? Give me a break. If they don’t take the spot all that happens is a less deserving team takes it instead
@user-uh5kl6gg9t you must have been watching a different game. Osu was dominated on both sides of the ball in the 2nd half. It wasn't just 5 plays. Osu was out coached, outplayed, and the better team won. TBH, it could've been worse if that strip sack had been called correctly (Strouds forward progress was stopped?).
Friday night: Michigan will lose because they haven't played anyone. Their schedule is too weak.
Sumday morning: OSU should be #4 because we lost to a team that hasnt played anyone.
Ryan Day has lost his mojo as a play caller. He used to go for the jugular but now he plays it safe. , seems like he is playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
Cj was on a recliner in the pocket all game.
This goes back to the Clemsux game in 2019. We should've blown them out and the offense struggled to get into the endzone. We ultimately lose it to the refs but that has been a recurring history. He calls a masterful game in the next Clemsux game. Also the same in RoseBowl....He needs to just be aggressive and stop playing scared and conservative in this game and any game going forward.
Credit for winning conf championship but hell no, no credit for losing it. SC will end up ahead if they end, not if they lose
Just fire the defensive coaches. Oops - been there done that.
Georgia got smoked in the SEC championship game last year and then came back and won the natty. Austin is toxic.
AUSTIN. DO YOU THINK WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT LUKE FICKELL AFTER COACH DAY FAILS AGAIN?? DAY'S RECORD IS NOT GOOD AGAINST TOUGH TEAMS. HE MAY BE ANOTHER JOHN COOPER.