Whilst the Murray is the de jure border between Victoria and NSW, it can be argued that a more accurate border between Victorian and NSW culture is the Murrumbidgee.
I've always lived along the Murray and seeing this helped put a bit of what my dad said into perspective. Our forest around here is getting quite unhealthy from the lack of flooding, and there's been some attempts at artificially flooding the forest to recreate the conditions they used to see before the dams. Dad's said when he was young there was flooding through the forest every year. These days unless we're having floods from major rainfall it just doesn't happen.
I don't know what forest you're talking about but 2021-23 was pretty wet on the Murray, we went out to Barmah Nat Park near Deni and got a ute flooded, totaled, the whole place was under about 1.2-2m of water for ages, it was and is a great spot. That being said: who cares about flooded forests if all the towns have been shut down and demolished because the Greens in Melbourne want to have a better holiday every now and again? I guess we've got to make up our mind in Australia, do we want to develop the inland or do we prefer vanity. Do we want to look at trees and birds and hand-wring over "unique, fragile eco-systems" or do we want healthy towns with jobs and prospects?
Small correction, The Snowy Mountains only refers to the mountains in NSW. The Victoria side is often refer to the Victorian Alps. But all are part of the greater Australian Alps. Good vid tho!
I remember my geography class in middle school when the chapter on Australian geography mentioned the Murray and Darling Rivers as some of the very few water sources in the dry part of the continent. The part where the Tropic of Capricorn goes through and all that. And we kids joked about how the Murray was at the bottom of the map and the Darling was on the top of the map because The Murray and the Darling were written like "the head(머리, meori)" and "the leg (다리, dari)" in Korean.
An excellent video, though it sadly skates over the very serious environmental crisis brought about by over-extraction, mostly for gigantic foreign-owned cotton and rice farming operations.
I heard that a large section of the lower Murray basin used to be a giant megalake. I wonder if the river was dammed up now along the canyon, how big the lake will become.
I would guess the murray river is quite old given that the australian contintent has not seen new orogeny in a very long time. The finke, nearby, is frequently mentioned as one of the oldest rivers on the planet.
It generally flows through a hot and arid climate zone so without the dams and weirs which were only constructed in the last century, it never was that good for agriculture. Also the mouth of the river is a shallow lagoon, so there are many better spots to built large harbors in the country like Sydney.
The river is sort of artifact of its time. There are these plans for 15 minutes cities. Maybe build one there, with understanding its just a blip in the simulation that could be unlivable half a century forward. Cardboard houses, cadoard beds, cars that look like they were made from cardboard, a sphere that turns into an eye and U2 playing with Bono not really having voice anymore but maybe have Raygun perform alongside making kangaroo moves making it all look like its real and up to date. I mean its a simulation we live in. You dont need to think its a simulation someone with any sense made, but its a simulation. And its what we got. Make a better one and I´ll come and check.
I'm surprised that the Murry is longer than the Darling River. Especially since the Darling extends up into QLD. (Unless my geography is massively rusty)
According to Geoscience they’d recalculated the rivers in 2008, I’m guessing it’s at that time Murray became the longest not Darling, they do state that if you count Culgoa, Balonne and Condamine Rivers it becomes the longest water way. www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/national-location-information/landforms/longest-rivers. I had to check it because I remember we’d learnt Darling was the longest but that was before 2008
@@MatthewTheWanderer define a major city? 2.5 million people live along the Murray irrigated area, Albury/ woodonga has 100,000 people alone, that’s a city, it’s no Melbourne or Sydney but there’s another 5 or 6 of them downstream too, a lot of people live on and rely on the Murray/ darling basin.
@@ashdog236 Yes, that river is important for millions of people, even far outside the immediate area, but no one outside that area would ever consider Albury or Wodonga to be major cities. Adelaide is about as small as I'd go for a city to be considered "major".
@@MatthewTheWanderer yeah there’s no Cairo or Sydney on it, I get it but for farming land, 2.5 million is still a lot of people scattered along its entire stretch. It’s not like the Darling river for example which has almost nobody living along it. We’re a small country in general so we don’t really have any “ major cities” anywhere in Aus tbh
This brings back my memories of sixth grade. Wait... I'm not from Australia, I'm from India. We were taught about this river (though not in as details as in this video)in school in the sixth grade. From the comment section, I realised that in most countries, the geographical features of this river are not taught.😅
The River Murray drains into Lake Alexandrina ! ! ! NOT Lake Alexandria. Get your 'fact' right ! (Not sure this is a lake CORRECTLY called 'Lake Alexandria'.)
Soooooo many errors in this video. The Snowy Mountains at the start are shown in two states when the Snowy Mountains are in New South Wales only, and the snow-laden mountains across New South Wales and Victoria are collectively known as the Australian Alps. What you call "Lake Alexandria" at the end is Lake Alexandrina" with the letter n near the end. In between, there are too many other errors to count. Why do TH-cam content makers not have fact checkers or editors? Why don;t you do your own very basic fact checking? How can we take anything you say seriously when you make basic factual errors throughout? Unbelievably misleading and amateurish content. Zero out of 10.
It is a pretty you don’t do more research. Before Europeans arrived in Australia, rivers on the western side of the Great Dividing Range in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria would send the water to the plains of western Queensland, NSW, Victoria and South Australia each spring and was at one time the largest naturally irrigated area in the world (Australia is the flattest continent on earth). There were large swamps like the Macquarie Mashers on the Macquarie River and there are many more swamps on other rivers. Australian rivers silt up their entrances during low flows and this stops salt from flowing up the rivers, but Europeans insist on rivers being open for boating.
In the video I am both covering the floodings which occurred before Australians built their dams in the 20th century, and that the rivers mouth silts up, which is why dredging is required to keep it navigable (and to keep the ecosystem of the lagoon alive). So I don't really understand your criticism
@@FactSpark My criticism is that the Murry River should not be a saltwater lagoon. If you take the time to read early reports of Lake Alexandrina, it was a lake that only open during high flows in the Murry River. The problem is that Australian rivers a very flat and saltwater is able to make its way up the river when the mouth is open for boating, now with saltwater in the river, many plants and animals that require fresh water to survive can no longer live in the lower reaches on the Murry River, Lake Alexandrina and The Coorong.
@rons4778 No I ain't. Have you actually travelled the entire Murray and seen for yourself?. Many many sections have no to very little water not just through drought but also through corrupt farming taking more water than what is needed to supply their dams. Get your shit straight buddy. It's people like you that cover up the corruption of this issue. The Murry has an issue. Just look at the mouth of the Murray at the SA side. Clogged with sand as well. Bet ya didn't know about that Mr Einstein.
Anglos built weirs, not the Aboriginals. Not to be critical, though, because weirs have been a disaster for the river. Sure, they keep the water in the rivers but erode the riverbanks and decrease the quality of the water. The only thing worse than weirs are European Carp.
Lefties really believe Australia was Wakanda before white man came. You claim Aboriginals lived in perfect balance with nature, when in reality they hunted almost all of our megafauna to extinction, introduced mammalian predators long before white man brought dogs and cats, and practiced slash and burn land clearing methods that decimated a lot of Australia's prehistoric flora.
here is a fun fact for you. the lakes area NW of Kerang Victoria, were once known as the kakadu of the south, but are now known as the most salt affected land in the world. thanks to mans meddling with the river and flood irrigation.
I have a ton of family history in that area and I can tell you now the land was better back when people irrigated more. A lot of the salinity is the consequence of asian carp stirring up the bottom of the water, but instead of addressing that problem, the government would rather tax farmers which is why they've whipped up this anti-irrigation narrative.
@@goblez5900carp and catfish. People should be paid to catch the pests. Apparently a council somewhere in SA encourages people to catch them in a lake there somewhere? Not sure if it’s lake Alexandria or not?
What century are you living in the country around Kerang to Lake Boga has never looked so good in my lifetime even the Bar Creek which was turned into a salt drain is growing grass
There is an entire section of the video dedicated to that. Hydrographically it is not the longest continuous waterway, but semantically it is the longest waterway with a continuous name
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The lower lakes were once highly productive estuarine environments, but due to bad management in the early 20th Century, barrages were installed that effectively killed them both. Nowadays, even more ridiculous management policies are forcing freshwater inputs into the lakes at enormous cost to farmers whose water has been stolen in the name of 'environmental' flows.
Why can’t farmers buy a few big water tanks for back ups? Maybe they shouldn’t be so greedy in the first place. We produce enough produce to feed 3X our population so of course the environment is getting rapped….?!
@@blank.9301 A few water tanks? You must live in the city. Those 'greedy' farmers keep food on your table, you clown. They are the most efficient farmers in the world. If it wasn't for the upstream water storages, the Murray would run dry and/or flood every decade or so. That water stored in those dams not only helped Australia feed 60 million people a year and make us the 'lucky country', it also protected waterways like the Murray from the extremes of the NATURAL Australian environment of 'droughts and flooding rains'. The error was in building the barrages at the mouth, killing a productive estuarine ecosystem and turning the lower lakes into muddy carp ponds. Now people like you want to steal what's left of the farmers' water to keep nothing but carp alive and stupid green activists feeling good about themselves.
Spent most of my life so far living along the Murry River, Thanks for showing her off
Pity you can't spell it after almost a lifetime of living along it
I have to agrree lol
My mum is a Berri girl. I have lived most of my life in Tasmania, with 6 years in North Queensland.
@@garryrichardson4572 Wow yeah same thats my hometown. Berri born and bred
Whilst the Murray is the de jure border between Victoria and NSW, it can be argued that a more accurate border between Victorian and NSW culture is the Murrumbidgee.
2:24 Lake Alexandrina with a second n 😊
(Yes, I live here and it used to catch me out too.)
You are right. Named after Princess Alexandrina (later Queen Victoria)
I've always lived along the Murray and seeing this helped put a bit of what my dad said into perspective. Our forest around here is getting quite unhealthy from the lack of flooding, and there's been some attempts at artificially flooding the forest to recreate the conditions they used to see before the dams. Dad's said when he was young there was flooding through the forest every year. These days unless we're having floods from major rainfall it just doesn't happen.
I don't know what forest you're talking about but 2021-23 was pretty wet on the Murray, we went out to Barmah Nat Park near Deni and got a ute flooded, totaled, the whole place was under about 1.2-2m of water for ages, it was and is a great spot.
That being said: who cares about flooded forests if all the towns have been shut down and demolished because the Greens in Melbourne want to have a better holiday every now and again?
I guess we've got to make up our mind in Australia, do we want to develop the inland or do we prefer vanity. Do we want to look at trees and birds and hand-wring over "unique, fragile eco-systems" or do we want healthy towns with jobs and prospects?
I spent a good part of my childhood swimming in the Murray and Lake Hume. Thanks for the video
Small correction, The Snowy Mountains only refers to the mountains in NSW. The Victoria side is often refer to the Victorian Alps. But all are part of the greater Australian Alps.
Good vid tho!
With the Snowy River on the Victorian side!
@@byroboy that starts in NSW.
Goes down through Gee Hee and Corryong Vic. Great spots
Ah, who cares what Victorians think!
I live in south australia, good video mate.
Big mullies in the Murray
I’m sorry about that
@@ZekeBone-k2nbetter then Victoria though
I remember my geography class in middle school when the chapter on Australian geography mentioned the Murray and Darling Rivers as some of the very few water sources in the dry part of the continent. The part where the Tropic of Capricorn goes through and all that. And we kids joked about how the Murray was at the bottom of the map and the Darling was on the top of the map because The Murray and the Darling were written like "the head(머리, meori)" and "the leg (다리, dari)" in Korean.
You learned about Australian geography in school in Korea?
Very interesting. Thanks.
Amazing vid mate you rock
Excellent video, never been but I'd sure like to. Thanks for the trip 👍. 🌈✌️🌎🌍
Very informative, thank you so much. ❤
An excellent video, though it sadly skates over the very serious environmental crisis brought about by over-extraction, mostly for gigantic foreign-owned cotton and rice farming operations.
Mostly on the Darling😊
wrong
Tell me you're an aussie without telling me
What about the bloody “environmental flushes” to try and keep a lake and wetlands fresh water that wouldn’t of always been fresh water
@@Olsnedzy how dare you speak truth & logic to someone who clearly is an expert on the matter 😂
Well I've learnt something as I thought the Murray River was further to the west. Need to look that up. Thanks for making and sharing!
Excellent anchoring
I heard that a large section of the lower Murray basin used to be a giant megalake.
I wonder if the river was dammed up now along the canyon, how big the lake will become.
Not very big most of the water is used before it gets to sea. The mouth of the river even dries up sometimes.
I would guess the murray river is quite old given that the australian contintent has not seen new orogeny in a very long time.
The finke, nearby, is frequently mentioned as one of the oldest rivers on the planet.
The finke nearby you are a tool.
Great video with some good info
Really enjoy EVERY moment of your videos,as a Geography lover,thank you,really.
Does it come out near Adelaide?
Why is there no mayor city along the Murray river?
It generally flows through a hot and arid climate zone so without the dams and weirs which were only constructed in the last century, it never was that good for agriculture. Also the mouth of the river is a shallow lagoon, so there are many better spots to built large harbors in the country like Sydney.
@@FactSpark thanks for your answer. I really love your videos. The editing and narration is really good.
No worries, and thank you very much!
The river is sort of artifact of its time. There are these plans for 15 minutes cities. Maybe build one there, with understanding its just a blip in the simulation that could be unlivable half a century forward. Cardboard houses, cadoard beds, cars that look like they were made from cardboard, a sphere that turns into an eye and U2 playing with Bono not really having voice anymore but maybe have Raygun perform alongside making kangaroo moves making it all look like its real and up to date. I mean its a simulation we live in. You dont need to think its a simulation someone with any sense made, but its a simulation. And its what we got. Make a better one and I´ll come and check.
Mildura !
The effort to get any information from a 5 minute video means forgetting to mention stuff.
I'm surprised that the Murry is longer than the Darling River.
Especially since the Darling extends up into QLD.
(Unless my geography is massively rusty)
Cool
i thought the murrimbidgee river flows into the darling which in turn into the murray
No two different junctions the Murrumbidgee runs in at Boundary Bend and the Darling at Wentworth /Mildura
Are you sure? I learnt at school the Darling River was longer - perhaps its all those kinks
According to Geoscience they’d recalculated the rivers in 2008, I’m guessing it’s at that time Murray became the longest not Darling, they do state that if you count Culgoa, Balonne and Condamine Rivers it becomes the longest water way. www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/national-location-information/landforms/longest-rivers. I had to check it because I remember we’d learnt Darling was the longest but that was before 2008
You should of included how most water from the Snowy River was diverted to the Murray River
That is the huge civil engineer project with the tunnels, pumping stations and dams I animated in the beginning of the video
So it's Australia's Nile
Only because it's the longest river in Australia. But, there are no major cities along it.
No. The darling is longer.
@@MatthewTheWanderer define a major city? 2.5 million people live along the Murray irrigated area, Albury/ woodonga has 100,000 people alone, that’s a city, it’s no Melbourne or Sydney but there’s another 5 or 6 of them downstream too, a lot of people live on and rely on the Murray/ darling basin.
@@ashdog236 Yes, that river is important for millions of people, even far outside the immediate area, but no one outside that area would ever consider Albury or Wodonga to be major cities. Adelaide is about as small as I'd go for a city to be considered "major".
@@MatthewTheWanderer yeah there’s no Cairo or Sydney on it, I get it but for farming land, 2.5 million is still a lot of people scattered along its entire stretch. It’s not like the Darling river for example which has almost nobody living along it. We’re a small country in general so we don’t really have any “ major cities” anywhere in Aus tbh
This brings back my memories of sixth grade. Wait... I'm not from Australia, I'm from India. We were taught about this river (though not in as details as in this video)in school in the sixth grade. From the comment section, I realised that in most countries, the geographical features of this river are not taught.😅
It is Lake AlexandriNa
What accent is that I hear?
A German one
@@FactSpark 👍 Subbed.
@@FactSpark I honestly thought it was Indian.
@@antonyjh1234Punjabi…
seems european
Wow
this is 0ur life blood
I live where the Murray meets the ocean
Near Goolwa SA or Wellington SA?
@@blank.9301 near Goolwa mate
Murray River Vic and NSW river Murray sa
*Lake AlesandriNa not Lake Alexandria 😊👍🏼
I nearly drowned in the Murray river in 1971 when our boat was overturned by a fallen tree....I was just 11 years old
Hvor the fanden have you been?
Didn't know they had mountains and rivers in australia so thanks for this lecture
It's not all desert, just mostly.
The River Murray drains into Lake Alexandrina ! ! !
NOT Lake Alexandria.
Get your 'fact' right !
(Not sure this is a lake CORRECTLY called 'Lake Alexandria'.)
Soooooo many errors in this video. The Snowy Mountains at the start are shown in two states when the Snowy Mountains are in New South Wales only, and the snow-laden mountains across New South Wales and Victoria are collectively known as the Australian Alps. What you call "Lake Alexandria" at the end is Lake Alexandrina" with the letter n near the end. In between, there are too many other errors to count. Why do TH-cam content makers not have fact checkers or editors? Why don;t you do your own very basic fact checking? How can we take anything you say seriously when you make basic factual errors throughout? Unbelievably misleading and amateurish content. Zero out of 10.
🇦🇺 👌👍
The darling turns into the Barwon River not the way you said. Therefore making it longer again as the Barwon Rover is not small.
*Lake Alexandrina. Great video otherwise.
It is a pretty you don’t do more research. Before Europeans arrived in Australia, rivers on the western side of the Great Dividing Range in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria would send the water to the plains of western Queensland, NSW, Victoria and South Australia each spring and was at one time the largest naturally irrigated area in the world (Australia is the flattest continent on earth).
There were large swamps like the Macquarie Mashers on the Macquarie River and there are many more swamps on other rivers.
Australian rivers silt up their entrances during low flows and this stops salt from flowing up the rivers, but Europeans insist on rivers being open for boating.
In the video I am both covering the floodings which occurred before Australians built their dams in the 20th century, and that the rivers mouth silts up, which is why dredging is required to keep it navigable (and to keep the ecosystem of the lagoon alive). So I don't really understand your criticism
@@FactSpark My criticism is that the Murry River should not be a saltwater lagoon. If you take the time to read early reports of Lake Alexandrina, it was a lake that only open during high flows in the Murry River. The problem is that Australian rivers a very flat and saltwater is able to make its way up the river when the mouth is open for boating, now with saltwater in the river, many plants and animals that require fresh water to survive can no longer live in the lower reaches on the Murry River, Lake Alexandrina and The Coorong.
I can smell the anti-white hatred in this comment. Another victim of the modern education system.
I can explain it in 5 sec. Its Australia's longest river and its fucked 👍
Your totally wrong it’s in the best shape it’s ever been in it now runs continuously since Dartmouth was built in the seventies
@rons4778 No I ain't. Have you actually travelled the entire Murray and seen for yourself?. Many many sections have no to very little water not just through drought but also through corrupt farming taking more water than what is needed to supply their dams. Get your shit straight buddy. It's people like you that cover up the corruption of this issue. The Murry has an issue. Just look at the mouth of the Murray at the SA side. Clogged with sand as well. Bet ya didn't know about that Mr Einstein.
Ab origine peoples of Australia built wonderful, sustainable weirs and channels to control the flow of waterways.
Where?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no they did not
Anglos built weirs, not the Aboriginals. Not to be critical, though, because weirs have been a disaster for the river. Sure, they keep the water in the rivers but erode the riverbanks and decrease the quality of the water. The only thing worse than weirs are European Carp.
Lefties really believe Australia was Wakanda before white man came.
You claim Aboriginals lived in perfect balance with nature, when in reality they hunted almost all of our megafauna to extinction, introduced mammalian predators long before white man brought dogs and cats, and practiced slash and burn land clearing methods that decimated a lot of Australia's prehistoric flora.
And maybe catfish too?
pronounced - CON- DA -MINE [3syllables]
the things humans do when they pretend they know the future.
here is a fun fact for you. the lakes area NW of Kerang Victoria, were once known as the kakadu of the south, but are now known as the most salt affected land in the world. thanks to mans meddling with the river and flood irrigation.
I have a ton of family history in that area and I can tell you now the land was better back when people irrigated more.
A lot of the salinity is the consequence of asian carp stirring up the bottom of the water, but instead of addressing that problem, the government would rather tax farmers which is why they've whipped up this anti-irrigation narrative.
@@goblez5900carp and catfish. People should be paid to catch the pests. Apparently a council somewhere in SA encourages people to catch them in a lake there somewhere? Not sure if it’s lake Alexandria or not?
What century are you living in the country around Kerang to Lake Boga has never looked so good in my lifetime even the Bar Creek which was turned into a salt drain is growing grass
The Murray is not Australia's longest river.
There is an entire section of the video dedicated to that. Hydrographically it is not the longest continuous waterway, but semantically it is the longest waterway with a continuous name
Well what is please tell us
Chinese cotton farmers that are there use up all the water and drys it all up
A provincial border that runs along a river that's nestled deep inside a _mountain valley,_ instead of drawing the border on the mountain ridge?
Classic Bri'ish insanity, man... leave it up to them to do something this illogical, lmao. 💀
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The lower lakes were once highly productive estuarine environments, but due to bad management in the early 20th Century, barrages were installed that effectively killed them both. Nowadays, even more ridiculous management policies are forcing freshwater inputs into the lakes at enormous cost to farmers whose water has been stolen in the name of 'environmental' flows.
Why can’t farmers buy a few big water tanks for back ups? Maybe they shouldn’t be so greedy in the first place. We produce enough produce to feed 3X our population so of course the environment is getting rapped….?!
@@blank.9301 A few water tanks? You must live in the city.
Those 'greedy' farmers keep food on your table, you clown. They are the most efficient farmers in the world.
If it wasn't for the upstream water storages, the Murray would run dry and/or flood every decade or so. That water stored in those dams not only helped Australia feed 60 million people a year and make us the 'lucky country', it also protected waterways like the Murray from the extremes of the NATURAL Australian environment of 'droughts and flooding rains'.
The error was in building the barrages at the mouth, killing a productive estuarine ecosystem and turning the lower lakes into muddy carp ponds. Now people like you want to steal what's left of the farmers' water to keep nothing but carp alive and stupid green activists feeling good about themselves.
It’s lake Alexandrina Maybe do some research before posting your story.
What a load of BULLSHIT!