While I was listening to you and understanding exactly what you wanted to say with this talk, I remembered a particular photo of you (in another video) to which I wrote my interpretation as a comment. Perhaps you remember - it is the photo in which two older ladies had just met on the street and one of them (in the foreground) was wearing a floral dress. That fired up my imagination and the interpretation arose in my head. I remember that I 'wrote' a story about this lady that had to do with the fact that her dress 'imaged' the longing for a garden, which she can no longer have now at this age or for whatever reason. This photo of you is thus anchored in my head, it always remains there as an image and in connection with my story. When I look at photos (or paintings/drawings etc.), it is often the case that I do not just look with my eyes, but with the whole wealth of experience that I have gained over time through engaging with art. I look "behind what is superficially visible". There is this creative game with the opening question: "I see something you don't see". It is sometimes played with children (here in my culture). For example, you say: I see something you don't see and it is red (or green or round or square or whatever). Then the child has to guess which object you are referring to. The other person's strange but personal view is "transformed" into your own, very personal view and reproduced. Even if the result is wrong, it is a game to develop the "view" or to explore the other person's view and compare it with your own. In my opinion, photos should also be viewed in this way, even though the subjects may initially have a purely aesthetic character for the photographer, but which trigger associations in the viewer, allow their own visual experiences to flow in and train and develop the individual eye. I hope it is largely understandable what I wanted to say, because English is not my native language, but I practice it by at least trying to express myself precisely ;-) Thank you for your interesting video with the example pictures! Kind regards モニカ
Yes, the photo of two elderly ladies is indeed a perfect example of an image that easily generates narratives. In fact, I was considering including this photo again in this video. Your ability to see 'beyond what is superficially visible' is proof that you are an artist. Unfortunately, not many people possess this ability. Many only see the surface and think that's all there is to a photograph. That's precisely why I made this video - I wanted people to learn how to view photographs. Thank you, モニカ. I deeply resonated with your thoughts.
とても参考になる動画をありがとうございます。
ストーリーとナラティブの違いをずっと考えており、こちらの動画を拝見してスッと悩みが解消されました。
おお！ピンポイントなテーマでしたね。
何かのきっかけになれば幸いです🙂
あの "mirrors and windows" を連想させて、
大変根源的な視点を伺えました。
このチャンネルは、大いに勉強になります。
ありがとうございます。
シャーカフスキーの「鏡と窓」ですね！ この動画でうまくまとめる自信がなかったので、そこまで言及していません。でもご指摘のようにそれに繋がる話かなと思っています。
自分の写真に物語性を持たせるには？とずっと悩んでいました。
この動画を拝見してナラティブという概念を知りました。
すごくしっくりきました。
ありがとうございました。
おお、それは良いタイミングでした😊
めちゃめちゃ興味深い内容ですね！
そしてストリート写真におけるという前提も非常に重要だと思ってます。
実は自分も同様なことを、風景写真の視点で、この2年ほど考え続けてたりしてました。
自分の場合は、「売れやすい写真・売れにくい写真」/ 「単写真・組写真」という切り口で考えていって、それぞれの比較を「情報の質（もしくは種類）と量」という部分に着地しました。
「ストーリー」と「ナラティブ」という視点を持つことで、「情報の質と量」の部分により色付けが出来るなぁと改めて考えさせられてます。
今度飲むときにココらへんお話したいなと思い、一旦コメントで話題を先出しさせてもらいますm(_ _)m
ジャンルが違う者が似たようなところに行き着くというのはおもしろいですね。ぜひ今度語り合いましょう！展示も楽しみにしてます😊
ありがとう、先生
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自分の空想妄想を写真に乗せる？というかなんて言ったらイイんだろう
近いです！ 妄想を写真に乗せるというよりは、あくまで写真から生まれるもの、それがぼくの思うナラティブです。撮影者たるぼくはナラティブが生まれやすい舞台を整えているという感覚です。
でもこの辺は撮る人のスタイルによって変わってくるのかもしれません。
While I was listening to you and understanding exactly what you wanted to say with this talk, I remembered a particular photo of you (in another video) to which I wrote my interpretation as a comment. Perhaps you remember - it is the photo in which two older ladies had just met on the street and one of them (in the foreground) was wearing a floral dress. That fired up my imagination and the interpretation arose in my head. I remember that I 'wrote' a story about this lady that had to do with the fact that her dress 'imaged' the longing for a garden, which she can no longer have now at this age or for whatever reason. This photo of you is thus anchored in my head, it always remains there as an image and in connection with my story.
When I look at photos (or paintings/drawings etc.), it is often the case that I do not just look with my eyes, but with the whole wealth of experience that I have gained over time through engaging with art. I look "behind what is superficially visible".
There is this creative game with the opening question: "I see something you don't see". It is sometimes played with children (here in my culture). For example, you say: I see something you don't see and it is red (or green or round or square or whatever). Then the child has to guess which object you are referring to. The other person's strange but personal view is "transformed" into your own, very personal view and reproduced. Even if the result is wrong, it is a game to develop the "view" or to explore the other person's view and compare it with your own.
In my opinion, photos should also be viewed in this way, even though the subjects may initially have a purely aesthetic character for the photographer, but which trigger associations in the viewer, allow their own visual experiences to flow in and train and develop the individual eye.
I hope it is largely understandable what I wanted to say, because English is not my native language, but I practice it by at least trying to express myself precisely ;-)
Thank you for your interesting video with the example pictures! Kind regards モニカ
Yes, the photo of two elderly ladies is indeed a perfect example of an image that easily generates narratives. In fact, I was considering including this photo again in this video.
Your ability to see 'beyond what is superficially visible' is proof that you are an artist. Unfortunately, not many people possess this ability. Many only see the surface and think that's all there is to a photograph.
That's precisely why I made this video - I wanted people to learn how to view photographs.
Thank you, モニカ.
I deeply resonated with your thoughts.
自分の薄っぺらい見たまんまそのまんま写真から、物語性（ナラティブ）のある写真へ変えていかねばならない。
さてどうする…。
最初はハードルが高く見えるかもしれません。でもそういう目で他人の写真を見たり、自分の写真をセレクトしていくうちに少しずつ自分なりのナラティブが作れるようになってくると思います。