If Madlock was attempting to turn a double play and someone barreled him over, outside of the baseline like he did Fernandez, Madlock would be ready to fight the guy. Madlock should've been suspended for at least the length of time Fernandez was out with his injury.
That dirty play by Madlock and Ernie Whitt’s injured ribs were the death of the Blue Jays that September. They were a better team than both the Tigers and the Twins.
Text book example of why this insane type of "slide"? is no longer allowed. It was a body slam, nothing at all resembling a slide, including actually sliding or being able to touch the base and no, this was not a standard way of doing things at that the time, and yes, I have read the comments from everyone who say Bill is a nice guy, but he's not being a nice guy in this instance at all, he's being reckless, and blaming the injury on anything other than his attempt to tackle Fernandez is quite simply convenient for him to suggest, but not truthful.
This play cost the the Blue Jays there first World Series Win. I have no doubt that with Fernandez in the line-up over Manny Lee the win a few at Tiger stadium and they beat the Twins in the ALCS. Too bad the wildcard wasn't around in the 1980s.
In order for a slide to be "clean," there has to be a chance that you're going to be safe if you complete the slide. Madlock was never going to be safe with that slide: he straight up went for the kneecap.
By today's standards it's a dirty play because Bill Madlock didn't even go for the bag, he went straight for Tony Fernandez's legs to take him out and break up the double play. Back then players were more aggressive in doing that and it was accepted.
People critize the Cubs trade of Madllock . He was a great hitter , but he was also the Joey Belle of the 1970s. Always pissed off about something. Addition by subtraction..
I remember that '87 AL East pennant race between the Jays and Tigers. They had 7 head to head games over the final 10 and all 7 games were decided by a single run. The season finale was a winner-take-all 1-0 shutout win by the Tigers at Tiger Stadium on a Chet Lemon solo homer. IMHO I thought the Jays were the more talented team until they lost their entire middle of their defense and Fernandez in particular. They lost their final 6 games of the season after that with a gutted lineup.
I believe Doyle Alexander got the W for the Tigers. I was watching a meaningless game in Arlington Stadium (as they all were) that day when they posted video of the final out a few moments after it ended.
Bill Madlock was one of my favorite Chicago Cubs. He was traded because the cheap owner did not want to pay him a salary that he was worthy of . I remember Bill Madlock being hit with a pitch by Jim Barr of the San Francisco Giants. Bill Madlock ran out to the mound with his bat in order to knock Jim Barr out. He was a mean and a very fiery player. He meant to do harm to Tony Fernandez. I don't think that he meant to break the guys arm, but he did mean to take him out.
Madlock was an exceptional player, especially in his day's as a Pirate. However, this was total Bush League ball. He was about 5 feet out of the base path when he did that. He wouldn't get away with that in today's game.
This guy must have taken lessons from Jack Tatum. Glad they have rules now for those too dumb to know when they are causing harm outside normal standards of play. This isn't football.
@CollandChay I agree with you. In fact, if he knew the slide would cause damage to Fernandez, he wouldn't have done it. In baseball, the last thing you expect is anyone to get hurt. It's not football.
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If Madlock was attempting to turn a double play and someone barreled him over, outside of the baseline like he did Fernandez, Madlock would be ready to fight the guy. Madlock should've been suspended for at least the length of time Fernandez was out with his injury.
That dirty play by Madlock and Ernie Whitt’s injured ribs were the death of the Blue Jays that September. They were a better team than both the Tigers and the Twins.
Text book example of why this insane type of "slide"? is no longer allowed. It was a body slam, nothing at all resembling a slide, including actually sliding or being able to touch the base and no, this was not a standard way of doing things at that the time, and yes, I have read the comments from everyone who say Bill is a nice guy, but he's not being a nice guy in this instance at all, he's being reckless, and blaming the injury on anything other than his attempt to tackle Fernandez is quite simply convenient for him to suggest, but not truthful.
This play cost the the Blue Jays there first World Series Win. I have no doubt that with Fernandez in the line-up over Manny Lee the win a few at Tiger stadium and they beat the Twins in the ALCS. Too bad the wildcard wasn't around in the 1980s.
In order for a slide to be "clean," there has to be a chance that you're going to be safe if you complete the slide. Madlock was never going to be safe with that slide: he straight up went for the kneecap.
By today's standards it's a dirty play because Bill Madlock didn't even go for the bag, he went straight for Tony Fernandez's legs to take him out and break up the double play. Back then players were more aggressive in doing that and it was accepted.
People critize the Cubs trade of Madllock . He was a great hitter , but he was also the Joey Belle of the 1970s. Always pissed off about something. Addition by subtraction..
I remember that '87 AL East pennant race between the Jays and Tigers. They had 7 head to head games over the final 10 and all 7 games were decided by a single run. The season finale was a winner-take-all 1-0 shutout win by the Tigers at Tiger Stadium on a Chet Lemon solo homer. IMHO I thought the Jays were the more talented team until they lost their entire middle of their defense and Fernandez in particular. They lost their final 6 games of the season after that with a gutted lineup.
Dirty dirty play. A disgrace to the game.
It was Larry Herndon who homered, not Lemon.
I believe Doyle Alexander got the W for the Tigers. I was watching a meaningless game in Arlington Stadium (as they all were) that day when they posted video of the final out a few moments after it ended.
I took hitting lessons with bill for 2 years. he told me about this. shut up haters, he is the nicest guy you will ever meet
I don't care if he saves dogs from burning buildings, it was still a dirty, bush league play.
I am sure he is. But it was a dirty play
Bill Madlock was one of my favorite Chicago Cubs. He was traded because the cheap owner did not want to pay him a salary that he was worthy of . I remember Bill Madlock being hit with a pitch by Jim Barr of the San Francisco Giants. Bill Madlock ran out to the mound with his bat in order to knock Jim Barr out.
He was a mean and a very fiery player. He meant to do harm to Tony Fernandez. I don't think that he meant to break the guys arm, but he did mean to take him out.
There were other reasons ! You just mentioned 2! Cubs management was cheap, but Madlock was just a bad teammate and angry guy! Bipolar Bill.
Of the eleven players who won four or more batting titles, only Bill Madlock isn't in the Hall of Fame.
He retired with .305 lifetime BA ,the same that George Brett .
@@juanfranciscosantana4793 Exactly
Good.
"I had nothing to do with that" LMAO Classic
Had nothin to do with that,you sold into center field
What a dirty play against a stand up guy.
Madlock was an exceptional player, especially in his day's as a Pirate. However, this was total Bush League ball. He was about 5 feet out of the base path when he did that. He wouldn't get away with that in today's game.
Madlock was a tremendous player. What great All-Star games he was in!
This guy must have taken lessons from Jack Tatum. Glad they have rules now for those too dumb to know when they are causing harm outside normal standards of play. This isn't football.
a dirty play.
I was at that game.
Bad player! He didn't have any chance to get it to base. Malicious intentions !
Ernie Whit tried to do the same against the Tigers and cracked his ribs. That play won the Tigers the 1987 AL East pennant.
@LovedTheJungle ... Yeah, once Bill got to the point where he couldn't touch second base with his feet or hands, he was going too far.
That was just plain dirty
@CollandChay I agree with you. In fact, if he knew the slide would cause damage to Fernandez, he wouldn't have done it. In baseball, the last thing you expect is anyone to get hurt. It's not football.
Actually Ernie Whitt came in hard against the Brewers in the weekday series before the series finale in Detroit.
Bush league play 100%
Un jugador sucio
Madlock was a dirty player.
wow, what a DIRTY take out SLIDE!!!! This is not football.
No, it's baseball, and that's how it's supposed to be played
Hi Bill!!!!!
Wood around second base...
Only at the Mistake By the Lake
Nice guy, played the game hard, went too far on this play, and was outside the rules.
That's my great uncle
PjShoeShop fer real
He's a jerk
@peterg17 Don't be mean like that!!I personally know him and he is one of the nicest people I know:D If you don't know him don't talk about him:D
People don't know him but they know the play
LOL.
Looks pretty clean to me.