How Do Intrigue Relationships Work? | CS Joseph Responds
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CS Joseph responds to the Acolyte question how do intrigue relationships work?
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I must have missed something. Can anyone supply the missing relationship for me? It would be #4!
1 Affection / Golden pair
2 Companion / Pedagogue
3 Natural / (just be yourself)
4 ??? Intrigue / Supervisor
(Thx@ MrFlyingAce !)
5 Silver pair / Respect
6 Benefactor/ Trust
7 Superego / Refinement
8 Kindred / Kindness
The one this video is about. Intrigue. Also called "supervisor".
Hahaha. Now that is hilarious. I have a whole page of notes about it, too... Thanks!
Wait, so Kindred for istp is intp?
Some of the intruige pairings are supervisor relationships in socionics. E.g ENTPs supervise ISTPs because they have Ne hero but ISPTs have Ne trickster. So its meant to be almost like ENTPs have an advantage over them. This means they are good at giving ISTPs advice, but sometimes the ISTP feels like this person kinda does what i do but they can do it better - e.g 'this person can do Ti better than me because their Ti is not so intense and they can balance it with Ne but i cant' and they are almost envious and can even become resentful. Imbalance doesnt hapoen with bronze pairs because both have hero functions that are tricksters for the other. Not saying the socionics theory is neccessarily true its just the theory
Would be the same with e.g ENFP supervising ISFP with Ne
Other supervisor pairings wouldnt come under intrigue e.g INFPs are meant to supervise ENTPs with Fi hero vs Fi trickster (but perception functions dont match)
Anyway here is my Te input lol would be interested in your Ti thoughts on it
This is how I feel with ESTPs as an INTP. Not sure what you mean though how supervisors aren't always the intrigue
Ahh boy. If my current hypothesis is that I'm an ESFJ, I'm in an intrigue relationship with my INFJ S.O. Definitely a relationship that has its debates and mutual sharpening of each others' thinking, although it can be painful at times. But we've both grown so much because of it.
Relationship Pairs for ISFP
1. Affection (Highest Sexual Compatibility/ “Golden” Pair): ESFJ
2. Companion (Highest Sexual Compatibility/ “Pedagogue”): ESTJ
3. Natural (2nd Highest Sexual Compatibly/ “Bronze” Pair): ENTP
4. Respect (“Silver” Pair): ISFJ
5. Trust (“Benefactor”): ISTJ
6. Superego: INTP
7. Kindred: INFP
8. Intrigue: ENFP
Intrigue is 3rd highest sexual compatibility
how do you figure out all of these? what are the pairs for ISTP?
@@FirstLast-nr3fm Start with the golden pair and intuit the rest, Chase's listing of them in order for ENTPs allowed me to grab the pattern then you just follow that for whatever type you're talking about. For ISTPs it's the same as ISFPs up there just flip the Ts and Fs.
1. ESTJ (Golden Pair)
2. ESFJ (Companion)
3. ENFP (Natural)
4. ENTP (Intrigue)
5. ISTJ (Respect)
6. ISFJ (Trust)
7. INFP (Refinement)
8. INTP (Kindred)
@@hikikouri7254 ok, thanks very much
ty for this, i was looking for a list of the intertype relationship names chase uses. i'm only familiar with the socionics ones
I liked how informative you were in this video
I came to know one thing and got out with ten lol I wish if this lasted for an hour
I really want to know all those relationship dynamics and how each one works
That's how it's with csj all the time XD
The fine line between sex and murder.
Lmao
Lol, read my anecdote I just wrote. Complimentary.
@@TokyoTaisu Lmao 😂
The silver pair needs more love. I’d like to find some INTPs because there’s no other type who’s level of thinking I have more respect for than them.
Y E S
INTPs that lack experiences sometimes say the most stupid things.
n me feels the same for infps
@@qasimimtiaz9668 This is true unfortunately
@@qasimimtiaz9668 yeah I feel that. We can think but sometimes we lack field experience and we remain entirely theoretical and forget a little about emotions and what it can trigger.
I agree with everything you've said here from what I have experienced in my life. Spot on.
First I'm hearing about trauma bond with the kindred relationship. That's so interesting.
Me too and can relate (21-27 age when I was in Kindred INTJ / INFJ relationship)
@@TokyoTaisu oh wow!
@@mango38628 thanks - couple years in the relationship our traumas were healed pretty much and wer were both ready to be with a more fitting type. Now looking back it makes a lot of sense. What about you, been in kindred relationship too?
@@TokyoTaisu very interesting! I've never been in a committed relationship with an ESTP.
@@mango38628 so you are an ESFP without much youth trauma?
13:55 CSJ startled by the car horn 🤣
What he gets for talking on the streets
i’ll pay you to make the kindred video at this point
He probably has it as member exclusive content on his website. You could confirm that with someone who is a member
Much appreciated, updated info!
So based on what you are calling 'Natural' pairing then INTJ and ESFJ should be 'Natural' pairing correct?
Yes
I hope they put those links you mentioned in the description after listening to this. Lol
Be me (INTJ). Go to kickboxing class. This ESTJ girl wants to spar. I laugh at her but OK.
She's appearantly some pro (ups) and hits me on my nose. I get triggered. My serial killer look activated. Her next attempt I front kick her straight out of the ring. She went flying.
Her look changed completely. I now see respect in her eyes. She comes again, this time she sees respect in my eyes.
I lock her in a clinch (hug).
Her face next to mine - ear to ear.
We're both sweating heavily.
My nose hurts and blood is running down my mouth.
She wants to escape the clinch. I refuse. I hold her body tight. Squeeze her boobs to my chest. A bit longer than I should. I whisper in her ear "first yes to drinks".
She knees me in my balls.
Time's up.
I go take a shower with the guys. Dress up, walk outside, get my bike.
She's on my bike.
Intrigue relationship ladies and gentlemen.
You're kidding me
You're awesome 😂
can you talk about kindred relationships? especially when it's an Si critic and an Se trickster. Like an intp x istp relationship. Would it work, or will the istp's Si critic get irritated? Is there a possibility the istp will be attracted to begin with?
Infjs do you find esfjs intriguing? and why so? Also, I dont think bronze pairs should be called naturals in any way. I personally feel the most "being myself" around inxps
I do find them intriguing and feel sexually attracted to them
Infj in a 1 year relationship with a esfj..I wouldn't say we found eachother intriguing...but definitely mysterious and I think that it's due to the fact that neither of us can totally understand one another bc of our NI and SI percieving functions...but the sexual side in our relationship is yes bar none..When one of us unintentionally does something that makes the other feel neglected, or we havent seen eachother in a few days we have found we start to feel disconnected, tension and arguements will then ensue, but when we get back together we dont feel the emotional detachment..We hash it out, make up and we are fine.This seems to be a reoccuring cycle, yet it brings ALOT of passion...very odd lol
Is there a chart for all types?
Not yet.
So dope, thanks C.S. Joseph!
So fascinating.
Whats intrigue for isfp??? Enfp??? Or am I wrong
For ISFP intrigue I think you're correct. ENFP.
You’re right
Is silver not good for monogamy?
Yeah, they are great.
Respect based relationship. So..
If you don't recommend monogamous relationships, why are you in one?
For the same reason Tomassi doesn’t recommend them.
why is silver not in good for long term? the functions should still be in harmony(?)
Not optimistic.
@@qasimimtiaz9668 what do you mean?
It forces you into your subconcious which is draining
Can get boring, and grass is greener syndrome could hit.
I think it's better when it's a work relationship. a.k.a you work together on projects and stuff.
I (INTP) had a lot of fun with an ENTP ex. I wonder why that relationship isn't one of these
Agree, my boyfriend (ENTP) and I (INTP) have a super fulfilling relationship. I feel that we just “get” each other more than most.
Oof I met an ENTP. I kimd of had a crush on him but absolutely not the "I want a long term relationship" kind of crush. We got along and had some complicity. But deep down we were so, sooooo different it could have never worked long term. Almost everything he liked, I found it was the total opposite of what I liked. He loved to party I hated it. Tastes in term of colors, decoration, clothes... but I liked his wittiness, we had the same humour.
My ENTP love of my life is married. I bet she's an INFJ. I've got no chance.
Mistyped
Is it only trauma bonding that keeps kindred pairs together? Or could it be a common activity or interest as well? Cuz I (infp) used to have an isfp bestie. And what kept us close was our love for writing scripts and we used to act out our roles 🤣 those r the most precious memories from my childhood
I would think that romantic vs friendship dynamics are very different. I think common interests are probably more important for friendship.
I (INFP) also had an ISFP friend who I would play music with all the time. We shared many common interests and developed musically alongside each other.
@@ethtt that's great. I remember those years of my life also as my most productive years, creatively.
I think the kindred relationship is also called the playmate relationship. It can definitely have that vibe to it.
Wait a minute why the Silver pair was downgraded from 2nd to 5th
???
Because it was on the scale of just sexual compatibility
@@CSJoseph How many different scales you got? 1 - sex, 2 - relationship / marriage, 3 - business (in your own quadra)?
@@TokyoTaisu there is a different one for marriage than sexual ? Do you know the order of it ?
I am an intj and I don't mix emotionally esfj women but there is tension. Is esfj my intrigue relationship
No its estj and esfj is natural
@@hugfal-animepiano1178 correct.
Thank you
@@hugfal-animepiano1178 natural is bronze pair isnt it? So it would be intj-esfj
@@MissingGingerSnap he asked What intrigue intj has and it’s estj, and natural is esfj..
The tension is real.
Are you for real 😑
@@malakashraf2801 No he is not "real" Lol!
do companion or intrigue relationships produce more sexual tension?
I am unsure
I say companion.
Companion gives me more emotional beta bucks tension while intrigue gives me more alpha fucks tension.
why do i feel nervous aroubd estjs - intj
💗 love your sincere apology.
lately, you say natural, refinement, affection and respect is best for long term relationships.
I relate to this. I feel sexual tension with ESTJ gym babes at the gym all the time - Intj. I felt same with my former supervisor at warehouse I worked for.
that’s your se inferior projecting anxiety
Haha yeah
Are you an esfp?
I find ENFP and ESTJ women most hot but I feel like ESFJs probably best for me despite their promiscuous nature.
Thanks for being based and always speaking your mind.
ENTPs are so rare I am embarrassingly talkative around them.
[Would the compatible types change in the case of same-sex relationships..?] 🤔
No romantic compatibility is universal.
@@bradleysteuart78 I am just wondering if the same principles from this lecture/theory would apply equally to same-gender couples, or if there might be some modification to the application of these ideas. Just curious.
@@ajits64 Of course, the dynamic is the same because all humans regardless of sexuality are looking for the same things in a romantic relationship.
@@bradleysteuart78 So then your original response actually should have been(?):
"No. Romantic compatibility is universal."
How do you make this relationship work?
I'm more submissive than argumentative with intrigue
This means that intrigued for each one is different...like intrigued for infp is esfp...
INFP-ESFP
for ESFP is ISTP
For ISTP isENTP
For ENTP is INFP....THEN FOR INFJ INTRIGUE
INFJ-ENTJ
For ENTJ-ISTJ
For ISTJ-ESFJ
For ESFJ-INFJ....THEN FOR INTJ INTRIGUE
INTJ-ENFJ
For ENFJ-ISFJ
For ISFJ-ESTJ
For ESTJ-INTJ...THEN FOR ISFP INTRIGUE
ISFP-ENFP
For ENFP-INTP
For INTP-ESTP
For ESTP-ISFP...
AM I RIGHT?
Who would be the best shot at an LTR for an INTJ?
ESFJ
This is a sarcastic response, right?
@@CSJoseph ESFJs hard to find. Last time, I spoke to ESFJ, I was too nervous to ask her out.
@@CSJoseph Not going to happen, lol!
@@qasimimtiaz9668 try every beerhall or festival in town. ESFJ's so shallow. They like these kind of cheap stupid group things.
Why do the episodes come later than the videos
I just want know what will cause an esfj women to cheat the have si parent which means she is responsible and dutiful.
Ne child not feeling desired.
Si adopts societal values, even family, in the past they were super loyal, but in modernity, new societal messages, you first girl, your a queen, you need a man to excite you, look on social media so many options etc, makes it easier for them to do the dirty.
they will have one million simps in fresh rotation on social media to give them money/weed/dates at any time so just know
@@nabsnabster3488 indeed many ESFJ women here in Tokyo are Ebisu Sex in the City career feminists now - unmarriable.
Interesting, MGK (ENTP) + Megan Fox (ESTP) looks like a trauma bond
Also did you say before that bronze pairs often come from trauma? And that they are seeking joy because of this. So trauma resulting in missing joy = seek bronze pair. Trauma resulting in missing kindness = i forgot the name lol but as above
A good relationship is built upon respect, love,and trust when you have those things the Intrigue comes to spice up your marriage or whatever relationships your in if you are building your relationships baste upon just surface level things will fall apart all these terms like Golden pair or silver and then bronze doesn't keep the flames going it's those who are healthy types that embody those traits I mentioned above .
How about pedagogue?
I'm an INTP and I like ESTPs but I don't think it would work
I’m an INFJ F and my new guy is an ENTP. What would we be?
Pedagogue aka the companion relationship
Intrigue is INFJ - ESFJ, yours is pedagogue.
@@almostashish how about infj and isfj
@@infernal.. Kindred- Trauma bond based on kindness and sharing but with no emotional compatibility as both have same Fe function. Sexual compatibility is the least as Optimistic Si hero of Isfj has to interact with pessimistic Se inferior of Infj. Good for friendship, not romantic.
@Mandy match made in heaven
9:10
The kindred is trauma relation , how could you not agree with that ? No wonder I like intps that much especially the angry ones , lol .
i feel kinda stupid for asking but i’m an infp, so is my natural partner an estp?
and where can i find an overview on how to determine all the different pairs? x
I'm an infp and involved with an estp. I'll admit it can be challenging but when we do get along well, it is really really really nice. I just have to remind him not to hurt my feelings with his harsh truths and I gotta remember he isn't too future oriented-lol. It can be a lot of fun, in my opinion.
I believe this is based upon the information given in "type square" (just google it). The terminology is slightly different but you can compare CS's type (ENTP) with the types that he gives as particular compatibility in his video; once you understand the pattern then just apply it with your specific type to obtain the corresponding match for you. Just use the type square and note that "Supervisor" is directly given there as an example. Another example is "Benefactor" for which ENTP compares with ENFJ.
ur natural (bronze more like imo) is estp
golden is enfj
silver is infj
superego is istp
kindred is isfp
benefactor is intj
companion is entj
and your intrigue is esfp
what is the intrigue for infp
Esfp
12:25
15:20
Not true, I argue more with Judgers for obvious reasons. I have more in common with and emotional connection with ESTP
so what made you change pedagag to companion?
Not a change, just updated
My husband (intj) and I(enfj) have been together for 15 years. We are so different from each other but that's what draws me to him. I wonder if we have that intrigue compatibility .
Intrigue Is INTJ-ESTJ
Intrigue ENFJ-ISFJ
Are you sure you are not an esfj
LOL