Jupiter Clone - Sound Demo
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- This synth is based on Jupiter-8's voice circuits and it shares 100% the same VCO circuits and MOD CON circuits with the original JP-8. Only small differences are that some of the rare transistors are replaced with modern versions.
Polyphony is cut from 8 voices to 4, just because the huge amount of components needed to finish one working voice.
Roland's custom IR3109 Filter chips are replaced with similar OTA Filter design build from discrete components. Roland's IR3R01 envelope generator chips replaced with Electric Druind's Voltage Controlled ADSR design, each running on their own eeprom. There are total 8 of these VCADSR microcontrollers to provide double voltage controlled envelopes for each voice.
More info about the Electric Druids Awesome VCADSR's can be found here : electricdruid.n...
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The best thing Roland can do now is hire you to recreate the J8 with their resources :) Sounds absolutely amazing - super impressive :)
Humble thank you :)
Rebrand as Tiergrinder 8
and start taking orders.
this for sure!
@@tiergrinder Is this going to happen because if so I'd buy one :)
This is absolutely STUNNING my friend!
The funny thing is that you owned Roland in their own territory, because what you did here is what a lot of people are asking Roland for since years.
Thanks mima! I stil have faith in Rolands R&D. Lets see what they bring out tomorrow at the 909 day. 90% of my synths and drum machines are from Roland or clones from their stuff, so I think you can call me a Roland Fanboy :D
I sure would want to see Roland to re-release proper Jupiter 8 remake as a celebration to one of the Greatest instruments they've ever done. Originals sound, styling and colours are spot on perfect and I wouldn't change a thing. Jupiter 8 turned 35 this year. Roland introduced the first model in 1981.
Even thought they would make a ACB modeled perfect sounding JP-8 in original casing its not the same. Big part of the charm to me is that its proper analog and you get that feel when the synth warms up. You can even smell the electronic components when those heat up. It smells like old computers from early 80s :D
Unbelievable what you were able to do as one man. This is absolutely gorgeous.
dude, my thoughts exactly. couldn't have said it any better. Still, their collaboration with Josh from Malekko for their System 500 gives some hope. We are living in a magical time where you can find upgraded cpus for Juno 106, Sh-101 and TB-303 and where Moog makes eurorack modulars and remakes the legendary model d so please Roland, i'm glad you guys remade your virtual stuff without the stupid tron style lights and and even system 8 is great but please, just remake the jupiter 8 already. (edit: let's not forget that Korg ~ Arp, Dave Smith ~ Tom Oberheim everyone is putting their act together as well :-) and yea the guy who made that dislike is a total dick :-) great job 👍
1 Dislike ..most likely from Roland..lol ..Beautiful work!
Forget Roland, they're a bunch of greedy snobs. These lames won't even remake their best synths at affordable prices. The original Jupiter 8 is not worth $15,000 such nonsense.
Cory Palmer it’s worth whatever people will pay for it.
Posting on your most recent relevant video to keep my comms in one place.
I was just checking out the Jupiter VCO clone video, and it hit me. With your experience in soldering together modules from sources on the internet, I think you should do a bunch of video's on a complete from scratch polysynth, but in a "build along" format. I bet it' d get a lot of people interested in electronics, and with your gift of conveying it's worth through the sounds it can produce, I bet there's a lot of people willing to build their own.
again, thanks for sharing, and listening.
WOW! very impressive. You nailed the jupiter sound! I'm amazed that you can build a really great and classic sounding poly synth while the big companies fail horribly at it! They want us to belief that they can't build a synth like they did back in the 80s today, because of non-available components. But you proof it really CAN be done, even with different components than the original used. Great job!
The raw tone of this is ssooooo good... feels like I get to hear a JP8 as it was new back in 81!
Better then the Arturia version. They throw in loads of extras to justify the price.
Beautiful sounds - rich and crisp, which is one of the things I always loved about the Jupiter 6 (and 8).
Great job there!
I would recommend replacing your Cutoff pot to a logarithmic type instead.
That so you get a more natural filter behavior on the potentiometer and you will have an easier way of manually setting the filter in the middle.
50% will be in the middle of the pot. Not 50% filtering at 20% of the potentiometers travel length.
Cheers
The JP8 clone is coming along nicely! I'm really liking what you've done with the Sync circuit - really sounds lush.
Thanks! Its a slow build its slowly coming together :)
Very sweet, a dream come true!!!
The only Jupiter I own is the Ju6. To me this sounds simply amazing, incredible. I'm gobsmacked, I really am.
Absolutely GREAT work! Congratulation! You are now have an incredible clone of the rare and super expensive Jupiter-8.
This so needs to be put into production, fantastic job and it looks great too!
Sounds stunning, you are a genius!
Fantastic!! I wish I owned something like this or a real Jupiter 8. Right now I have to make due with my MKS-80. As many others say I wish Roland will see this and get to work on a real reissue, or employ you and help you manufacture this clone.
roboticrealm wow the mks-80 is no joke either. Isn’t that thing just a jupiter 8 in rack form?
So amazing! I am jumping in line to buy one of these as soon as they are available! :D
Sounds absolutely fantastic. I am astounded at Roland's obstinate defiance of the worldwide demand to re-make this or a truly worthy successor. I would pay $5000 for a Jupiter 16 done right. Not plastic digital with Christmas tree lights. Why are they only willing to make half measure analog and digital "modeling" ?
It's been "re-made" as a plugin. You'd fall into the category of that target market that wants a big piece of hardware there, and like the whole feel of it. I don't' fault you at all because I feel this way about some things. I see you'd pay $5000, and you prefer nothing plastic and looks are important to you. nothing wrong with that. However, I don't think the digital modeling is 1/2 the measure. They can sound every bit as good for recording a project or just mucking around. Negatives are like when you grab a slider while using a mouse and it has little jump increments and everything is small. But I didn't really have a problem and the increments are so small I had no issues compared to my jupiter 8. Plus you can use outboard midi controllers. The biggest thing was that I can instantly recall say several of them and all the settings are there. To be honest, I can get more done faster with the plugin version, so the quality of my work goes up. I used to have keyboards everywhere, patch cords all over the floor, then for each song I'd have to go to each track on the mixing console and set each knob and filter. Then if I wanted to go back to another song, it was like a dreaded headache. These are worth it, but it depends on what one will be doing it. The plug in has a lot of merit. It just doesn't feel right to have something pop up on screen when you get used to a big keyboard, but being objective, again, I don't see modeling as a 1/2 way step at all. It all depends of course on who created the plugin. Some are not the best, some are fine, some are great. I really like the jupiter 8 plugin, and some of the music from it I've made has beautiful sound coming out. Again, I won't knock either having used both.
What is, in your mind, a Jupiter 16 done right?
They are willing to do digital because it's easily half the price. Even in the 80's digital was more cost effective - you can see it in what they changed from the Jupiter 8 to the MKS-80 Super Jupiter.
The MKS-80 is still analog, as some say it's more of Jupiter 6 with 2 extra voices. Software envelopes and no longer discreet oscillators, but analog. And it sounds VERY different. I have no interest in cost effectiveness but was saying I would pay premium if Roland would do what Moog and Dave Smith Smith and others do, real analog, not emulations and not cheap plastic builds. I love sturdy tank builds, my Roland Fantom-G weighs 75 pounds and every slider and knob is so solid. Emulations can sound good and be fun, but we don't need to get into the analog versus digital argument do we? I am not a purist, I have 7 analogs and 6 digitals and I love them all but there is no mistaking the profound difference in sound . So I at least want a re-make of the Jupiter-8 that is in the manner of what Moog did with the new Model-D Minimoog, but even better would be to add to it and not cut any corners. But as they say wish in one hand and take a dump in the other and see which fills first ;-) Probably not going to happen.
Jupiter 8
VCO: Discrete
VCF: [COLOR=#FF6600]IR3109
VCA: BA662
ENV: IR3R01
Jupiter 6, MKS-80
VCO: CEM3340
VCF: [COLOR=#FF6600]IR3109
VCA: CEM3360
ENV: Software
MKS-80 rev 5
VCO: IR3R03
VCF: [COLOR=#3333FF] IR3R05
VCA: IR3R05
ENV: Software
Thanks for the replies guys :)
Michael N, your right about the MKS-80 being more like Jupiter 6 with 2 extra voices. Earlier rev's have pretty much same guts as the JP-6.
I want to like the Jupiter 6 sound but its sonic character is different from that "legendary" Roland sound that for example Juno-6/60 and Jupiter 8 has. Its more biting and cutting and even when you soften the sound with filter it sounds somewhat metallic and cold.
I have JX-8P and it has the same filters as MKS-80 rev5. JX-8P sound lush and smooth but it lacks some of the bite that early Junos had. Even when I compaire it with Juno-106 which still had filters similar to IR3109.
I think most of the Rolands 80's analog polys sound great, but there is just something special about numerous discrete oscillators playing together. Even with autotuning they drift a bit and that gives that organic sound that many of us lust. :)
One thing that really impresses me is that there's someone who does a Juno-106 filter+vca replacement that sounds identical to the original, simply using LM13700 chips. I'm pretty sure you could do that with the IR3109 and BA662 as well. And I'm really curious about what's so special about the IR3R01.
this man said "fuck it, i aint paying 14000 dollars ima just build one myself. absolute madlad.
Those chords from The Lost Patrol in the beginning hit me like a brick. Great Roland sound!
Thank you for the compliments and well spotted ;)
wow, sounds great!
That is simply amazing! Really nailed the Jupiter sound... And I thought I was hot stuff when I soldered up a Paia Fatman ;-)
How did it cost sounds are amazing
Sell this to Behringer
My thoughts exactly. I had no idea what the first comment would be but during the vid it occurred to me that Behringer would be an ideal company to approach as they already produce some great 'copies' of Moog synths (eg Poly D, based on the Model D) and have their own 'Deepmind' 6 or 12 voice poly, all at real-world prices. They could mass produce your clone and sell it at a competitive price point. Would still be great to see Roland offer a genuine re-issue, make it look identical to the 1981-83 version but add midi, usb and velocity with aftertouch to the keys. The relatively new Jupiter X goes a long way towards approaching the look and layout of the Jupiter 8, is a great looking and versatile bit of kit but of course it's not analog. Maybe they'll gauge the success of the Jupiter X to test the waters in readiness for a potential re-issue.. My guess if they did it would be fairly pricey, maybe even Moog One territory. Really nice job on this clone - that's a lot of work.
@@jupiter8a The problem with Roland is they have no idea who they are, or who they were.
@@JuanJacinto I remember when their 80's strap line was 'We Design the Future'.. They seem to keep innovating which is fine, it's just a bit odd that top synth makers struggle with offering pinnacle classic analog machines when there's a market for it. Appreciate Moog (Minimoog) and Korg (ARP Odyssey) have done so recently so that's some encouragement. In the guitar world, Fender & Gibson continue to sell their timeless Strats & Les Paul models, offering both reissues and 'modern' examples in their lineup. When someone orders a '62 reissue Strat, they get virtually an exact remake of the instrument as made in that era. If they want the latest version with associated 'refinements' then that's available too. The JP-8 from '81-'83 was Roland's best analog in that era and if, like a reissue Strat, people want THAT instrument, not a virtual modern remake, why not make it available? Finances come into play of course and they would be expensive to make in Japan labour-wise, so the high retail price would make it an exclusive purchase. Mind you, they weren't exactly a bargain back in the day but they still sold well..
They already have it
Beautiful job. I own the original and can't help but want one a clone like that, too.
Can't ask for a better endorsement than one from an owner of an actual Jupiter 8.
Thank you for the kind and supportive comment! Much appreciated
Genius work...
Amazing! This should be available as a DIY kit!
Une collection Française de synthés et Bar Vintages ANALOGIQUES.
Il manque plus que le Jupiter 8
th-cam.com/video/528DtHGIbgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=LeonardLORM
My jaw is on the floor. This is absolutely amazing.
Also, the synth-diy mailing list is salivating at your workmanship. That is a stand up job for a one man operation.
Subbed!
Thank you for commenting and for the support! Great to hear positive reactions from people
No worries man, that's what the synth community is all about.
You have some awesome gear, and excellent usage examples and showcases. I'm personally loving all the synthwave covers you're doing. It's been pretty much all I've been buying on bandcamp since january this year, so it's awesome to see some of the workflow and production methods behind it.
Speaking of which, are you on bandcamp?
Cheers from holland!
devjock There will be more synthwave cover videos in the future. :)
I'm not at the bandcamp yet. I'm hoping to produce full EP in the near future. There are couple of my own synthwave / 80s infulenced tracks at my soundcloud :
soundcloud.com/tiergrinder
Oooh thanks for the soundcloud link, will check it out right away. I had a feeling you were going to do your own thing in the future.
Looking forward to adding your first EP to my synthwave-on-a-stick project I have running (a 64 GiB usb stick I started putting bandcamp albums on since january 1st this year, there's currently 16.4 GiB left)
Cheers man, thanks for replying!
This is awesome! Now I need to go watch your other videos.
Thank you Pete! :)
Great JUMP performance. Thanks for the good noise!
How many hours took it ??
Thanks! I haven't kept track on the hours put to this, but it has to be in hundreds. When I was in full on building mode I used almost all my free time going through JP8 service manual, compairing components, what from the old components are still available to day and what are the closest matches. And this was before the build.
It's beautiful. Well done. I'm starting to design my own hardware synth and this is given me a lot of encouragement. Thanks.
Thank you John, great to hear that this inspired someone :)
Well, this is just beautiful!
You should definelly sell some of this Jupiter 8 clones ! A lot of peoples would be interested (me included haha) Well done dude
amazing! amazing! amazing! amazing! amazing! :) Though I'm not a "standard synthesizer" fan but Jupiter8 is the icon! And you've made it better (not worse for sure!) than the original!
Two dislikes - maybe mistakes or "damn you, Van Halen f...ng fan!" :)))
Amazing work! sounds excellent
Stunning sound! I'd love to have one. Someone this video it to Uli so he can get his chequebook out.
Wow! Ultragreat work!
Awesome work! I also build synths, so I know the work that goes into a project like this. Kudos!
Thank you for commenting :) Yep, poly synths are pretty labour intensive to build. Each voice need its own oscillator(s), filter, envelope genetor, amplifier and these all needs to be voltage controlled. It's almost as much work to build the cv control section that controls each voices modulations and control voltages with OTA amplifiers than is build the rest of the synth sections.
Insaneeeeee. I want one!
Gorgeous.
Mind blowing
Stunning work. Both visually and sonically. It must have taken a lot of dedicated work to arrive at such an impressive result.
Too bad you couldn't go all the way to eight voices, but nonetheless it certainly sounds amazingly great !
Impressive work!
amazing! you should go into business with this.
Sounds AMAZING !!!
Thank you :)
wow dude, I own a Jupiter 8 and I'm jealous : } will this be available as a kit? to buy?
Amazing! Great job! Simply amazing! :)
Bravo. from a former JP-8 owner, you've...fucking...nailed it. Please post build info...I may want to do this as well.
Thank you! Great to hear comments from real Jupiter-8 users. My build info at the moment is a really messy half a binder of paper containing prints from original service manual and my own veroboard test circuit diagrams :D
Like I stated somewhere earlier. I'm hoping to translate my veroboard madness to proper PCB form. Basicly PCBs schematics and first design is pretty much done but I have to go it over an over again looking for mistakes before making first protoboards.
OMG !!!, fantastic, the sound is very good
Thank you for the compliments! Great to hear that people appreciate the sound of this "clone" :)
Thank for your work , i love DIY .
Une collection Française de synthés et Bar Vintages ANALOGIQUES.
Il manque plus que le Jupiter 8
th-cam.com/video/528DtHGIbgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=LeonardLORM
Good work man!
Thank you! Much appreciated :)
I’ve come farther than you can possibly imagine to retrieve one. How far you ask? 500 years in the future alone, 4 light years also. I must possess this brilliant mechanism.
Awesome.
holy fuck dude this is amazing
Great job!!!
It sounds so real because its really a Jupiter 8.
Those who have seen the schematics of my clone and compaired those with real JP8 schematics know how close it is :)
nice!
>I'm no keyboard player
>plays "Jump" without any hestitation and mistake
I wan't to be no keyboard player just like You!
excellent sound :) you will make diy project like Nava And Yocto?
WOOOOOW!!!!!!!! That sound is fantastic!!! Do you have any site detailing the progress of the build? I'd love to understand how one even begins with such a replication. Well done!
I see these and think wow this would be great,but even to make this clone I am sure the money and time put into this is expensive.it would be great if Roland could remake these greats like Dave Smith has done but I would imagine the price would be high to recreate this synth and market it.which is why the release these small simulations of the classics that lack the features that made the originals great.
Roland, please stop making virtual fake syths. Just make again the real thing like Oberheim did with the OBX8 which sounds like a beast ! There's no better sound than the real analogue sound ! Nothing else will replace that ! Never !
This person 👍👍👍
Bruh, are you selling? Your clone sounds amazing!!
Wow, very close. It's a fantastic work. I like it. But why not five octaves like the original?
Great sounding, you have built this synth from scratch? Wow
Thank you! I've build most stuff from the ground up. I can't say that I scratch build this because I had Jupiter 8 service manuas an reference so I didn't design anything myself. Just did what Roland did 35 years ago ;)
You will it produce and sell?
Incredible work, sounds amazing! A true labor of love. Looks like you've paid your dues and laid down the majority of the groundwork for a legit JP-8 clone. Do you have any plans to make this commercially available? How much capital do you think would it require to produce an initial batch of 250 or so?
There's potentially a huge market out there, both from a nostalgic angle for those who grew up with early 80s synth pop and for those who simply appreciate the JP-8's reputation. Maybe even a contender for 'Dragon's Den' (British TV show where highly successful entrepreneurs bid against each other for the best business ideas, following presentations from hopeful prospective business partners).
Love it,i would pay if you can make me one identical like Jupiter 16
Please sends it to Brasil, here it’s impossible to have a keyboard studio wihout to loose under pants, lol!
I can't even imagine what went into making this. Based on what you learned while creating this beautiful thing, how difficult do you think it would realistically be for Roland to recreate and sell something exactly like what you've made here?
Is for sale?
#Selfmade❤️
I built a Minimoog Model D clone a few years ago:
sites.google.com/site/minimoogwiki/home
I'm interested in how you approached this. It seems like a Jupiter-8 has a significantly more complex architecture than a Minimoog Model D. You've got a CPU, so you'd have software to worry about, and dozens of chips that are unobtainium, or extremely expensive. The VCF chip for example is going for $40 and you'd need four of them.
How did you do this degree of reverse engineering? It wouldn't be trivial, that's for sure.
Awesome. So are you going to sell these?
Is that the "lost patrol" tune in the beginning? O)
Stunning work! Looks and sounds fabulous. However, those van Halen chords at the end were horrendously out of tune. What's up with that?
Is that tune you are playing in 1st example the 'Lost Patrol' theme?
Agree with the other commenters, Roland need to hire you asap!
Yep chords are from Lost Patrol theme. Timing is different since I just noodled with those chords :) Thanks for the compliments. Much Appreciated!
You did a better job than Roland!
Great job:)
What have happened with this really good project ? It's 2024 now ... any updates ?
Pay heem. Pay dat man hiz money....
Are you planning to share others build infos?? really interested in this!!!!
My build info at the moment is a really messy half a binder of paper containing prints from original service manual and my own veroboard test circuit diagrams :D Like I stated somewhere earlier. I'm hoping to translate my veroboard madness to proper PCB form. Basicly PCBs schematics and first design is pretty much done but I have to go it over an over again looking for mistakes before making first protoboards.
Good to hear! i'm into sdiy too! if you need any help for debuggin etc...let me know! Cheers!
Amazing.... how much would it cost to build a desktop version with MIDI implementation
Man you should start selling these. Really
Yes I know but it is an insanely complex synth to produce on my own even in small batches. :( And.. if I would do this as a kit there is the responsibility that people get functioning synth after spending X amoung of money.
It took me quite a long time to figure out whats going inside the circuitry and how to tune and calibrate the synth.
Small differences even between OpAmps and trasistors make a difference so if the components used for the synth arent picked from the same batch it makes finding tuning and stabilty even harder.
Do I feel a DIY kit coming?
Is there somewhere I can follow you for updates, in case you get it to a full DIY PCB project?
amazing. you should go pro with this stuff. i believe roland's patents have expired. it's even better than the original because you don't have old circuits that could fail at any moment.
You should have released it before, now Behringer is probably working on a Jupiter clone and you probably can't compete against them.
Hi there. You have inspired me to try to build this myself, if I don't get Jupiter 8. Mind if I ask - did you build VCO's yourself, or got them as a spare part from the original Jupiter 8? How does it sound compared to the original J8, can you recreate every patch? Great work, nonetheless. Thanks!
I build the entire voicing using Rolands Jupiter 8 schematics, so there is no spare parts from the original jupe. VCO's are dicrete component VCO's just like in the original. Because the VCO's are the same as in the original and filter is really really close to the original, I can recreate pretty much every patch that the real one does.
Here is a link to a video that shows the voice boards I made th-cam.com/video/vuK_cN5eMjk/w-d-xo.html
Amazing work. I have went through Jupiter's 8 schematics, and was struck by the number of modules and where to start. I see that you started with VCOs and filters, one by one, which is a good move. I have researched to find some more info about this project, I found PCB layout photo of yours on some forum. Did you design it?
What would you charge to build one!
Where I can buy a Jupiter 8 clone like this?
I used to have a Jupiter 8, but the panel color on your's is in white where the original color was orange. Did you have it repainted and silk screened?
How much did it cost you to build this beauty?
I do not want...
I NEED
where do i get one
Where do I buy one!!!??
Can I buy this? Do you build to sell?
where can we buy this?
So are you going to sell them or what? Just a project?
This doesn't come close to the new virtual analog Roland Jupiters, they sound so much better!!!!
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it sounds good but not like J8
Gimme' this, right now!!! And take it off the sawtooth waves, gosh-darn it!!! And get away from the same tacky "themes" everyone else uses for a demonstration! A major chord, a major chord and a minor chord, and back again! Get dirty with it and stop playing it safe! Wanna'? This thing IS pretty darn impressive and likely capable of so much more! If I hear "JUMP" one more time, I'm coming over to personally throw up on your "Welcome" mat!!! Don't do this ever again! Thanks!
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phil collins lol :D